veteran-class

[void dragon]

i remember something like that, but i think i have it with DBshotgun so i dont need much cleave, just good stagger and rendin.
so probably im running an odd shovel for it

will probl make one with Deci later

[tame lodge]

We will deal brazillion damage and we will like it

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-punisher-punisher-daredevil-punisher-court-scene-punisher-court-speech-gif-9280760464850102883

[silver patrol]

if this was the biggest content injection in the game, we are soo fucked

[willow prairie]

that just make shovel dogshit at armor while having marginally better horde clear

[void dragon]

Classic ObeseFish experience

[tough nova]

No classes got new weapons when arby and HS were released right?

[toxic reef]

correct, we got bound by duty falchion and new bolty marks

[tough nova]

So we won't get new weapons till at the earliest sept/oct

[toxic reef]

I wouldn't rule it out

[silver patrol]

big assumption

[tough nova]

Thats cheeks.

[silver patrol]

that we get any weapon, that is

[tough nova]

Im thinking no classes get new weapons tbh

[toxic reef]

some would say paul was essentially a new weapon

[midnight totem]

You stop that with that unfortunate defeatist truth

[next ridge]

Is duing sword really the best?

[tough nova]

No

[thorn lark]

Glorious @slow sky

[thorn lark]

It's very mid

[next ridge]

So what is best?

[willow prairie]

who the fuck still parading around duelling sword being "good"

istg im gonna kill the mfs

[next ridge]

Reddit

[thorn lark]

On veteran rashad and psword are s tiers if you go weapon specialist

Shovel and taxe are good generalist

[flint iris]

You know you get banned on reddit for making actually good opinions right?

[thorn lark]

And work in a range build. So does dclaw

[dry cloak]

?

[willow prairie]

psword is s tier no matter what build you have

it's just that busted

[iron parcel]

Taxe is really fun if your fingers can take it ngl

Just satisfying weapon to use

Even if it's braindead

Chop chop

[thorn lark]

The bad dodges are a nono for me tbh

[pseudo fiber]

"Maybe we should nerf some more outlier weapons and taletns"

"MOOOOOOOODSSSSSSSSSSSSS MY JUICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY SPILLLLLLLLLEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDD MY JUIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[thorn lark]

Only if you spam lights. The hord clear combo on mk7 is pa + h1

[bold sierra]

Withering Fire makes it so Agripana Infantry Autogun with deathspitter able to cleave through Dreg Ragers in Havoc 40, which other mks cannot, it's pretty dope. On Vet it's pretty dang consistent unlike Against the Odds on Zealot. I think this is pretty great use case.

[silver patrol]

duelling sword is pretty busted on the difficulties redditors play on

[pseudo fiber]

but we should buff other weapons to that level

(said unironically)

[midnight totem]

Though, if I were Fatshark, I'd add the following weapons to the game:

Veteran:
Long Las
Dual Laspistol/Hive Scum gets too
Hotshot Lasgun
Power Fist

Zealot:
Sword and Crusader Shield
Grenade Launcher (I have reasons to not put this on veteran)

Psyker:
You get nothing. Good day sir.
Fine, Lighting Bolt staff with homing charged attacks.

Ogryn:
Fistcuffs/Brass Knuckles
Reaper Autocannon
Missile Launcher

[silver patrol]

monkey paw curls and heavy sword gets nerfed and loses 90% of its horde clearing

[bold sierra]

@void dragon pretty dope use case xD

[silver patrol]

which would still prob make it better at horde clearing than the duelling sword if you think about it

[void dragon]

that's cazy

we barely had time to enjoy buffed Hsword

[dry cloak]

Dual laspitols or any dual weapon on vet or other classes than hive scum are a no go

[thorn lark]

Also, db shotgun with 50 more cleave is interesting. Make me think i could just not take manstopper

[dry cloak]

Because of class identity

[toxic reef]

idt ogryn needs more explodey weapons tbh

[iron parcel]

"Sharpshooter"
People: umm make him hold 2 guns

[bold sierra]

yeah I was thinking this too, I love Manstopper and all but needing WpSpecialist and that blessing all the times kinda sucks xD

[midnight totem]

I know, its cause I dont work at Fatshark, it sucks

[willow prairie]

(sedition)

[bold sierra]

gonna try combat shotguns with withering fire and without manstopper at some point

[dry cloak]

Sharpshooter is long gone. Its just veteran noe

[dry cloak]

Dont worry. Gw would say no

[iron parcel]

Hey I like my helbore even if I'm a coughing baby when any enemy gets close to me

[thorn lark]

I would probably go flechette and the crit blessing

[dry cloak]

More power to you

[thorn lark]

So as no to be too reliant on ws stacks

[midnight totem]

I know, its cause I don't work at GW, it sucks

[bold sierra]

finally we can take flechetter and some other blessing

[iron parcel]

Once I start havoc I'm definitely gonna either play exclusively other classes or idk

[hollow ibex]

Why tho

[void dragon]

it does feel quite nice, better than a braced autogun

[midnight totem]

Manstopper can be replaced with another blessing

[bold sierra]

why not, I'd like to play No Respite and Flechette on the fire shotgun.

[tame lodge]

Yes

[bold sierra]

or No Respite and sth else

[tame lodge]

The only real downside of DS is horde clearing

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-throw-grenade-explode-gif-10217204

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-will-ferrell-steve-carell-grenade-gif-3438949

[void dragon]

the mobility it has alone is absurdly good

add the good damage on single target even uninvested and you have the perfect Dbarrel shotgun friend

[thorn lark]

🧱

[tame lodge]

Ok Discord shitting the em-bed once again

[bold sierra]

also Zarona with flechette and Scattershot, not needing to rely on WpSpecialist and Deadshot maybe

[hollow ibex]

Welp good luck

[hollow ibex]

Zarona might be a better use of withering

[bold sierra]

yeah I'd reckon so

[hollow ibex]

Tho idr what its cleave looks like

[midnight totem]

That's the slugs right?

[hollow ibex]

On primary and special

[hollow ibex]

Spreadshot

[bold sierra]

duckbill

[tame lodge]

Wide shot

[midnight totem]

Ah

[hollow ibex]

Giving up manstopper is prob going to hurt either way tho

[midnight totem]

I forget which is the slug

[tame lodge]

Truest true to ever truthed

[turbid ibex]

agripina

[tame lodge]

Agripina

[midnight totem]

I should really use combat shotguns more, always liked them

[tame lodge]

Take
A grip?
Nah

[midnight totem]

But Im revolver/laspistol pilled

[turbid ibex]

what if i took your balls instead

[thorn lark]

I mean. Play whatever as long it is fun.

[tame lodge]

Not the blue locks

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-nagi-seishiro-bro-felt-something-nagi-seishiro-isagi-blue-lock-gif-3085086227203515151

[bold sierra]

you can always use manstopper with withering fire as well lol, it's actually insane on DB so far I'm testing
manstopper: 5 21st moebians
withering fire + manstopper: 10 21st moebians

well, it's a lot more, but I'm counting the ones that I kill in 1 shot for now

lemme test more

[tame lodge]

But

[bold sierra]

hmmm, scratch that

[tame lodge]

If you're running Manstopper

Aka infinite cleave

You don't need WiFi

[bold sierra]

it is infinite

[bold sierra]

maybe for when I dont wanna play WpSpecialist

and not DB

[tame lodge]

As long as you have Manstopper

You don't need WiFi

[void dragon]

instructions unclear, i DCed from the game and for first time it was not ObeseFish's fault

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tweaking-lag-funny-ishowspeed-tweaking-gif-4669442869668719763

[ancient path]

how are the autoguns rn for vet

[tame lodge]

Infantry Autogun Vraks5 still dps king

Vigilants are good

Brautos are meh

[bold sierra]

new Withering Fire on Agripana Inf Autogun + deathspitter can push it to have pretty insane cleave, in which it being the only mk that benefits A LOT from it, even in H40

[void dragon]

i have a new love for Vigilants since the expeditions, people HATE hunting the bombers

[tame lodge]

Although the good thing about Brautos is that you don't need Crits for it

[void dragon]

if only they would need it, their damage is so abysmal and accuracy is a lie

[willow prairie]

ammo moment

[bold sierra]

actually not an issue at all lol, especially if you only use it for gunners, reapers and ragers, occasionally groaners and bruisers for stacks, it's like nothing

and ofc, headshots

[willow prairie]

or i can use helbore and have infinite ammo lol

[bold sierra]

I mean, you can, then you'd have to play it entirely differently.

[iron parcel]

The humble "literally a completely different build" strategy

[tame lodge]

You forgot the "superior"

[flint iris]

Hellbore is feels more rewarding to play the more I read people say how much they hate it and how "slow" it is

it just gets better

[serene bough]

I cannot like helbore

[willow prairie]

helbore make me so much better at defense

[void dragon]

Helbore is a MONSTER that is limited in a way that let it fill its niche

[serene bough]

It consistently makes me regret playing the game

It is a good weapon

But I do not like

[flint iris]

This is allowed

[bold sierra]

hellbore is simply a more committed and a bit less dynamic gun to play

[tame lodge]

Truly the acquired taste weapon

(you might never acquire it)

[void dragon]

yeah, probably a reason why Inf lasgun is sticking with the buffs to its damage AND more importantly its sprint stamina cost

a long range anti specialist gun that also doesnt make you have asma is quite the boon

(and im sure ppl still dont get used to release to shoot)

[willow prairie]

I mean funnily enough laspistol is still better

[sharp epoch]

i dont like helbore becuase your very reliant on teammates for hordeclear by handicapping your melee talents

[tall torrent]

Laspistol is better until 25m+

[bold sierra]

nah helbore is peak, it's just good at some things and bad at some others

as is fair

[sharp epoch]

if you have a really good psyker duo id say it wouldnt hurt

if youre playing party finder randoms nah lol

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately there’re way fewer good frontliners than there’re good backliners

[tame lodge]

Still crazy that took them all these years to make the "backbone of the imperium" have some ounce of mobility

Or you know

Vet less asthmatic

[void dragon]

hopium of the day is that wherever the Admech class is it let us make a brand new fronltine class on top of whatever it could do

[tall torrent]

It’s not that

[void dragon]

idk what they were smoking to make its stamina cost so abysmal ngl

[tall torrent]

It’s the fact that people generally are not good at frontlining lmao

It’s way easier to be a psyker and spam as backline

[void dragon]

thats a law of nature in multiplayer games

is like gravity being the ultimate evil

[narrow torrent]

My hopium for yet another infinite ammo class on top of the ones we already have

[bold sierra]

real, I love helbore and all, but it;s just nice to be able to quickly switch to your gun and shoot at a target immediately lol

different way of playing

[tame lodge]

With 3 regenerating blitzes

[void dragon]

that feels like a certainty with how obesefish has done sheep, the true Hopium overdose is that they stop

[narrow torrent]

I wouldn’t mind one decent regenerating one like rock or blinders

[void dragon]

im still waiting for Obesefish to buff Zealot blitzes without making them regen out of their ass from pure faith

[narrow torrent]

When Zealot infinite ammo (they have faith they have more ammo)

[bold sierra]

nothing wrong with immo and stun storm tho

[void dragon]

"you can find a new resource that let you build back your blitzes"

[void dragon]

for being limited there are other blitzes that prove superior in chem tox nade and the shock mine

[tame lodge]

"Emperor guide my mags"

[void dragon]

"back to my pants"

[tall torrent]

I think helbore playstyle would be a lot better if vet sharpshooter build had 2 points freed up

Bottom left needs 1 point freed & more damage

And bottom right’s +25 toughness swap with middle’s +1 stamina

[tall torrent]

This just needs to happen generally

I’ve seen more builds that take only +15 toughness than humanly tolerable

The fact that u can unironically cuck yourself out of all 3 toughness boosts on vet is crazy

[bold sierra]

I still think comparing blitzes from different classes is a bit silly tho. I think it's not a terrible thing that immo nade is worse than chem nade, same with stunstorm vs shock mine.

some classes are just more in tuned with their blitzes than others, and that's alright

but hey, I wouldnt say no to some buff lol, not that I think it's super needed

Rockets is kinda Scum's best blitz anyway xD

[narrow torrent]

Run reconlas and pick up all the boosts 💪

[void dragon]

i dont believe is that needed, but its a fact that since the class doesnt have very synergistic blitzes it will always default to knifes

[narrow torrent]

Replace knives with books. Boom, instantly funnier Zealot

[void dragon]

because the others just dont provide the same value

[bold sierra]

immos and stunstorm can be gamesaver tho, ppl mostly run knives cuz they run flamer or whatever, but knives aren't really too impactful generally imo

[hollow ibex]

The other blitzes are just sad versions of what hiv gets

Knife is actually good

[void dragon]

knifes are quite impactful on a long steady run because a rapid way to kill a special at distance while blocking is very good

dont need to swap to your bolter when you can kill with knife, and HELL you can swap faster your flamer with knifes

[tame lodge]

I haven't seen a shiv tknife vs a zealot tknife yet

I should boot up zealot and equip shivs on it

[bold sierra]

I guess? I mean there's a reason why ppl run knives I'm sure, but I kinda usually just shoots them with a bolter or inf autogun tho, immos and stunstorm tho, it's been pretty great game saver, especially when the team's rushed at by rager clowncar and whatnot.

[willow prairie]

shiv throwing knife have much less range and more drop off

[hollow ibex]

Funny thing is that running bolter is a very good example of why knife is strong

[void dragon]

bolter and flamer being faster to pull and start shooting is a BIG deal

not to mention that knifes let you save ammo vs some enemies while still having a big gun

[bold sierra]

fair enough i guess, but these days I mostly play infantry autogun on my zealot so yeah

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent if you have time, @river bobcat might have some questions

Also Nico, check out the guide in pins

Use the guide 1st and if there is question ask away

[bold sierra]

knives are great, but it depends on the loadout at the end of day lol. I guess most ppl use flamer and bolter and stuff, which is why u see a lot of knives. It can be pretty diminishing return tho

[void dragon]

how is your inf autogun build for the zealot? i realize i dont run that wepaon on zealot, would be nice to change that.

[void dragon]

knifes makes you save A LOT of ammo, and since you dont have many gun focused buffs that stacks on a mission run

[bold sierra]

Agripana, deathspitter, dum dum, flak and elite, Against the Odds, Blazing Piety obviously, the 25%+25% dmg/finesse dmg on dodge talent thing.

I usually use it as a general-use for mid-long range gun for ranged elites, ragers and specials. Occasionally it's great to mow down basic mobs with, cuz it's the inf autogun mark that has pretty good cleave.

[tall torrent]

I’m here

[narrow frost]

#gameplay-help message

I asked them to come here and read the guide

no response

so up to you how to help

[tall torrent]

I actually think recon XIV is pretty nice rn

[narrow torrent]

I should try the other marks but the 12 is just so peak

[willow prairie]

why torrent

[tall torrent]

Idk which one is torrent

[void dragon]

how does one make the most of it? the gun still feels inferior to Vic

[tall torrent]

XIV is the high damage + cleave one

[willow prairie]

the vic one is the one with highest dps

oh

[tall torrent]

With withering fire u have 4.5 cleave and can cleave through Dreg ragers

[willow prairie]

h40?

[tall torrent]

And with deathspitter stacks u can get >5 cleave fairly easily (2 stacks) which can cleave through scab gunners & shotgunners

[tall torrent]

Elite mass don’t change in havoc

Only chaos horde units have mass change

I also am of the opinion that cleave is a bit overrated compared to damage/stagger/strength

[hollow ibex]

Deadshot XIV is pretty funny

[tall torrent]

Oh I don’t care about deadshot lol

I don’t even run crit for recon

[hollow ibex]

It’s funny

[void dragon]

oddly the ammo for the XiV runs out faster in my experience in Aurics

[hollow ibex]

Though it’s one of those jokes that gets boring very quickly

[tall torrent]

Because it costs 2 ammo per shot

[void dragon]

much more than the alternatives shooting around the same

[tall torrent]

So ur actual shots is not 108+852

It’s more like 54+426

[void dragon]

yeah but going out of my way to shoot hordes too, the others feel much less ammo restrained

[tall torrent]

Much more like infantry autoguns

[void dragon]

does it has less crit chains?

[tall torrent]

The difference is that, this one is actually high cleave

[tall torrent]

Same crit chain

[tall torrent]

4.5~5.9625

[void dragon]

weird, it just doesnt feel that its killing the same mass of swarm enemies for better cost

[tall torrent]

Idrc about ranged horde clear much

But

Being able to cleave through gunners and Dreg ragers is quite nice

[tawny badger]

through gunners and what

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gif-13813457612366790790

[willow prairie]

this is the reason why i just like vic more tbh

[sharp epoch]

whos vic

[tall torrent]

VIc

[willow prairie]

can you stack crit enough so it doesn't feel awful

• shock trooper

[tall torrent]

Noe

[old prism]

victor saltzpyre mentioned?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[old prism]

SIGMAR

BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY

[willow prairie]

I don't remember if recon las have crit blessing

[tall torrent]

Headhunter

[willow prairie]

desperado is funny though

[tall torrent]

lol

[willow prairie]

free 40% crit

[somber axle]

Headhunter but you don't really want that

Dum Dum + Infernus or Deathspitter (but Deathspitter is more fun for the XIV)

[tall torrent]

If u meme and play headhunter + MF + double rending

It’s quite funny

Tho can’t say that good

[willow prairie]

probably still gonna be better than pbb twink

[tame lodge]

Anything is better than PBB twink

It's PBB twink

[tall torrent]

It’s “alright”?

But

[willow prairie]

it's "alright" b

[tall torrent]

I think ogryn problem is

ogryn melee is gatekept by heavy hitter
ogryn ranged is gatekept by PBB

[willow prairie]

problem is that it still the longest cd in the game and when pbb down you just have twink

which is uh

[willow prairie]

on god all ogryn keystone are so ass for real

[tall torrent]

I wish ogryn had a melee that didn’t suck gigantic balls without heavy hitter

[tall torrent]

Heavy hitter is genuinely a good keystone tho

Like regardless of class it’s just good

24% damage, 80% impact, 10% atk speed

Hits better stagger breakpoints for pretty much every weapon

[bold sierra]

honestly, stacking the 2 cdr on Ogryn with lucky bullet makes that CD...like, barely anything ngl

been running twinlinked PBB on ogryn and shit's fucking

[willow prairie]

yeah except lucky bullet is mega doo doo

[bold sierra]

it's a bit restrictive, but not doo doo

[willow prairie]

funny 3 shot rumbler though

[bold sierra]

not doo doo at all tbh.

but again, a bit restrictive

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s honestly more like abysmal dogshit pro max plus ultra

Not just doo doo

[willow prairie]

It just doesn't work with ogryn weapon

[tall torrent]

I wish ogryn had melee that didn’t need heavy hitter to function

And ranged that didn’t need PBB to function

[willow prairie]

rumbler but that an outliner

[tall torrent]

And before u say the 2nd point is null

Every og gun has issues

Even the ones perceived as good

Like achlys heavy stubber

[willow prairie]

I mean it was ok when it can actually hit breakpoint

[bold sierra]

it works with rumbler, twinlinked and grenadier gaunlet pretty well tho, especially if you run PBB. But again, restrictive to being a PBB keystone mostly

[torpid grotto]

Grenade gauntlet good weapon

[bold sierra]

you can easily outdamage psyker and hive scum with grenadier gaunlet or twinlinked with PBB fire

[tall torrent]

GG could be alr ig

[willow prairie]

I don't like gg

I don't like pinning fire

the one that give strength every 0.4s

it basically a requirement for it to hit breakpoint

also slow as shit reload

[bold sierra]

you can dislike it, but it has merits tho

[torpid grotto]

It’s perfect no investment compliment to melee ogryn

[tall torrent]

Just reload cancel all the time

[tall torrent]

It’s still ass at breakpoints tho

[torpid grotto]

I put maniac and specialist damage on it

[willow prairie]

on god give ogryn new weapon and my first child will be your

[bold sierra]

which is why PBB is so goated with it, like yes I'm aware of the long cooldown, but stacking both CDR nodes make it almost a non-issue.

I was able to activate PBB twice back to back with GG many times without needing to reload.

[torpid grotto]

One shot all trappers flamers and bombers

Ezpz

[willow prairie]

pbb make ogryn ranged weapon decent but when it isn't up all of them are ass

also you still have ammo problem despite recent buff to pbb

[tall torrent]

And can’t 1 tap gunners reliably which is just sad

This is like boltpistol tier weapon

[torpid grotto]

I wouldn’t want it to one tap

[willow prairie]

you have 5 in a mag and 4 seconds reload

💀

[torpid grotto]

Yes

Fits ogryn thematically

[willow prairie]

ogryn can't have good weapons because theme and such

[torpid grotto]

I don’t think the reload time precludes it from being a good weapon

[tall torrent]

It’s like 2s with reload cancel

Not that bad

[bold sierra]

I barely notice any ammo problem tbh, but your perception of ammo problem probably differs from mine

[void dragon]

I think i see what is bugging me with the mk XIV recon, that 2 ammo makes it not only have less ammo pool but less ammo mag, oddly the cleave only comes relevant for melee focused builds in my experience, so a weapon specialist build would make use the most of it i feel

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s kinda mostly what I play

MF pathing just too ass

I have 2 WS, 1 FT and 1 MF

[willow prairie]

also i just saw funny ryken crit laspistol build

not having bring it down is kinda ass

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380577585171529778/1486036416713593012/image.png?ex=69cbf3c2&is=69caa242&hm=ffd8969851006d6531153377620278118ba669b3948bdd92a026468fbf88060d&

I had this idea for vet bottom left pathing rework

[void dragon]

@tall torrent remind me, what weapons would need the rending strikes perk?

[willow prairie]

remove deadshot

[tall torrent]

Check attack ADMs in guide lol

[willow prairie]

[tall torrent]

I think it can stay

[tame lodge]

Themes and such 🥀

[tall torrent]

It’s not like I pick it anyway

[tame lodge]

In fact ogryn should just be the best class

Lore accurate

[willow prairie]

the bestest class

[tame lodge]

The gooderer

[void dragon]

Ogryn IS the best class, its just that Obesefish keeps nerfing us to not make the umie classes jealous

[tall torrent]

The 50% dodge DR buff is huge tho

[serene bough]

Ogryn was good for a couple of months at one point

[willow prairie]

my take on ryken funny laspistol build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a16d338c-0ed6-42f0-882e-e094172663a2/aaa-7

[serene bough]

That'll be all until the servers shut down

[willow prairie]

75% crit but I don't have to use deadshot and duck and dive

[void dragon]

i would not mind a small nerf to it, it is genuinely quite busted (about time we got something to show how fat we are)

[willow prairie]

which free up 2 point for bring it down

plus exe

[hollow ibex]

Died a little bit inside watching ryken use VOC for that build

But I guess it’s a thematic build technically

[bold sierra]

tbf, it is still the easiest and basic to use ability that most ppl still play, so understandable xD

[void dragon]

Speaking of Hlaspistol, how does mine look? i run it with Dclaw to parry Chaos spawns and other carp

[bold sierra]

looks good to me honestly, Skirmisher more or less more than makes up for Bring it Down, you honestly dont need it ALL the times if you dont have points.

deadshot and what not is preference so eh

[void dragon]

i like go full on pistol sometimes and being able to gun down a lone crusher is nice with the added crits

[narrow torrent]

VoC is always such a safe pick tbf

[narrow torrent]

Can you shoot all game without eating all the ammo?

[willow prairie]

losing tax awareness is uh

ig that fine due to exe got buffed

also yeah skirmisher is 25%

also drop chink

[bold sierra]

tbh, I went through maybe like 30-50% of Ascension Riser H40 game already without taking a single ammo box while using PBB burn with twinlinked. Most of the times ammo pickups aren't even really needed, just pick up cuz it's there xD.

[willow prairie]

for opening salvo

[narrow torrent]

Guess I’ll keep trying to level my gungryn then.

[bold sierra]

use it to swipe through a horde, apply burn stacks and kill all the gunners and reapers from the distance and yeah, thats it

[willow prairie]

alternate pathing

you have shock trooper so you can stay in the extra crit zone easily

also i just realize skirmisher is base damage and not just additional damage like bring it down

[hollow ibex]

Outside of havoc you could drop tinkerer too

But I think you need it for havoc

[willow prairie]

I'm trying to make it havoc viable

you can probably switch to smoke for +1 more talent

[bold sierra]

also, PBB with twinlinked lowkey is one of the best anti-LT/Captain, bubble shield is like paper to it. So it's more than worth to spend a lot of bullets for them

[willow prairie]

• ex takedown is not really necessary with exe

[hollow ibex]

Yeah not that much value

TDR is nice ig but not a must have

[willow prairie]

yesh you also have tunnel vision for toughness

Ig path for +25 toughness

[narrow torrent]

I just like shooting everything with funny guns

[bold sierra]

it's great at that then

[willow prairie]

this with smoke/shredder maybe

drop agile for tinkerer if krak

[narrow torrent]

Reject keystone, embrace random bullshit go

[jovial yarrow]

yeah around havoc 24 kraks will leave crushers with like 5 hp without other damage buff.

[bold sierra]

tbh, that's good cuz then your team can kill them and let you have a chance to regen nade

oh nvm, it's you or your ally

[tall torrent]

opening salvo is so bad

[willow prairie]

its for laspitol funny crit build

have enough crit chance that "20%" gonna last a lot longer

[cunning wing]

Guys why do Veteran even exist

[narrow torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[jaunty tinsel]

so that i can play Darktide (i've never played the other classes)

[floral hearth]

because there are never enough people talking about cadia

[midnight totem]

Tinkerer is also just nice for weakened monstrosities

[iron parcel]

Gold healthbar or something idk

Toughness*

Yell at teammate to rez

[jovial yarrow]

Because the emperor protects and the guard prevails.

[midnight totem]

Vets exist because somebody has to be sexier then the others and help look after our best big boys, the ogryns

[somber axle]

to sell Darktide to people who have always wanted to play a shooter game as an Imperial Guard

[amber vortex]

One day we'll get a imperial guard game

Couldn't say that with a straight face

[void dragon]

call of duty - Warhammer
Exclusive soon on your local dreams

[narrow torrent]

Foxhole but 40k would be peak

[somber axle]

the only imperial guard games are mobile games that exist exclusively as trailer bait to get someone hopeful before crushing their dreams

[tame lodge]

You see
It all starts with rookies

[arctic ridge]

Question

There a way for -- when bringing up in the Mourningstar the Operative menu screen (ESC button), the player always debuts carrying the gun weapon rather than the default melee?

[sonic kayak]

@slow sky Mr @boreal zenith could use your DB build

[slow sky]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[pseudo fiber]

Probably gonna have to start using las pistol again after that new skin leak

[lunar maple]

FOR CADIAAAA

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1488195999104241675/4a3c4746e775c93ec0fe6b5a58b5de14.png?ex=69cbe607&is=69ca9487&hm=32cfbac4792f386dab746125543804440e0832f5ba011234943b509f3c692a53&

[somber axle]

we finally got the Cadian helmet with visor at least!

[lunar maple]

It’s peak

I’m using the old faithful infantry lasgun skin

Cadian green with a eagle on the barrel

[tall torrent]

gonna get this 100%

is this all tho

[pseudo fiber]

Big same its really fun haha

[tall torrent]

no other weapon skins?

[somber axle]

Yeah you can run a 100% Cadian look now

[pseudo fiber]

Probably Thursday

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think there are new ones

There are new Ogryn Backpack books

[tall torrent]

gonna be rocking this soon

~36k TR left to go

[pseudo fiber]

Get em

I believe in you

[tall torrent]

I think this just genuinely looks good

got the voxcaster backpack with same tundra digital looking camo too to match

[true bison]

Why didnt anyone tell me laspistol + shovel is so much fun

[gilded pike]

actually

there's no way to use your equipped lasgun or lasgun skin in the emote sxcreen is there

[lunar maple]

Nope

Big L

I wish your custom weapons showed up

[tall torrent]

unfortunately no, can't even change what weapon ur guy is holding either

[lunar maple]

It wouel be peak if you could

Show off your weapon skins

[somber axle]

it is kinda weird they never fixed that

LOL

[hollow ibex]

small indie dev, pleas understand

[ancient path]

hello vet chat. what guns pair well with focus target keystone? any?

i kinda want to do a roleplay setup for focus target and im thinking on a build

[serene bough]

unsure havent used FT in some time

[narrow torrent]

I’ve seen some for recon lasgun

[shrewd topaz]

Anything that shoots enemies 🥹

[hollow ibex]

anything that you aren't plannign to use with weapon specialist or mmf

so that usually leaves recon las lol

maybe infantry auto gun and brauto

[shrewd topaz]

Surgical stub revolver if you can hit 1 shots sounds funny

[turbid ibex]

Bolter

[livid sphinx]

Okay a couple of weeks after the plasma nerf, I can actually feel it now

Its way worse

The kill feed isn't filled up with my name anymore 😭

I miss the days whenever I use plasma that I would fill up everyone's monitor with my hot name

[tidal fox]

can't even notice it tbh

only the ammo part I notice

charged fire does what the primary will lack often anyways

[elder vessel]

Focus Target is a damage boost which then gives buffs, literally every weapon works with Focus Target

[tidal fox]

is focus target even that good

it feels nonexistent when I run it

[elder vessel]

Yeah

[tidal fox]

although the numbers would prolly say otherwise

but still it feels so eh

[elder vessel]

Its a damage boost that gives you buffs

[somber axle]

it's really useful for guns that just need a little bit extra damage to hit important breakpoints like Boltgun

[tidal fox]

for a measly 20% bonus

30 if you take one more

sub talent

and it takes time to build up

[somber axle]

yeah but it can drop a 2 shot to a 1 shot

[tidal fox]

seems subpar compared to other keystones

[somber axle]

and keep that consistent

[tidal fox]

the other two keystones keep it consistent too though

out of all 3 focus target has to be the worst

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[tidal fox]

damn really no way 🤯

[hollow ibex]

most boring, not bad bad tho

[tough nova]

Focus Target is strong but boring. The Fatshark classic.

[tidal fox]

im not sayin it's bad I dont think

its uptime is prolly really good

[boreal zenith]

its not good cuz u have to press an extra button all the time

into the trash it goes

[hollow ibex]

understandable

[gilded pike]

wild that in a space barbie game

they didn'

t add basic space barbies

[tame lodge]

When there's a yellow tagged enemy at the function

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820

[tall torrent]

wat

[tall torrent]

it's the most direct dmg bonus and quite substantial

[ancient path]

nice!

[tall torrent]

lol it's just basic habit which u shud have anyway

[elder vessel]

focus Target buff is so good

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
Too much brainz

[elder vessel]

but 6 stack talent let's get this discourse started again

[tall torrent]

6 stack is worthless

just do keystone + redirect fire

[elder vessel]

gonna take 6 stack anyway cuz I think it is cool

[tall torrent]

then ur prob missing important stuff elsewhere

[elder vessel]

6 stax is bigger than 4

[tall torrent]

yea also takes more time to get

[livid sphinx]

If only they make focus target automatically jump

[elder vessel]

Borrring

[somber axle]

weapon specialist isn't going to help you hit a breakpoint you're only just barely missing

[tall torrent]

WS does it via crit (and it's mostly a melee keystone)

FT is just substantially more dmg on everything u care about

FT is also, 3 points cheaper than MF

which on vet makes a world of difference

[livid sphinx]

I would have liked WS with bolter if bolter didnt take so long to whip out

[boreal zenith]

stop yelling at me

[somber axle]

only the one crit

so if you're a boltgun user that's not going to make it consistent

[tame lodge]

Top 10 professional darktide players skill

Number 10

Basic tag

[somber axle]

the swap speed is also really poor on the boltgun and with the long reload it really doesn't feel like the kind of weapon that pairs well with weapon specialist

[livid sphinx]

just put tag on your left mouse button

[somber axle]

it's always just a smidge below the damage it needs to kill elites/specialists so if you're getting your breakpoints on boltgun it's definitely not because of weapon specialist

[livid sphinx]

Yeah I mostly use MF with the bolter since either way you will be using your bolter 75% of the time to focus down elites and specialists

[somber axle]

focus target feels the best for it imo because it's really not a weapon that works well with MMF either

boltpistol is funny with MMF because it has deadly accurate and it can hit some very funny breakpoints with MMF/DA

but Boltgun doesn't have DA

[tall torrent]

am not yelling at u tho

[livid sphinx]

Everytime I play bolter, it reminds me of the good ol' cod sniper only lobbies

[somber axle]

boltgun always just makes me want to go full auto on it because it's SO satisfying but it's also just never worth doing unless you can put it in a boss mouth LOL

[tall torrent]

it's still quite limited by ammo

[livid sphinx]

Yeah that's the only downside but good thing most of the time the team knows to not get the ammo when im low

Going full auto with it is the best feeling in the world so sometimes I couldn't help myself when I see a large group of specialists

[tall torrent]

I think boltgun generally best with FT still

far lower point cost

better 1 tap consistency

[livid sphinx]

Isn't Kill Zone a really good node though?

[tall torrent]

not in this lifetime, so far

[livid sphinx]

Im not sure how often I proc it but the description is really nice

[tall torrent]

it doesn't come remotely close to this

[somber axle]

mortis trials full auto boltgun my beloved

[livid sphinx]

You mean skirmisher?

[tall torrent]

no, this whole section

[livid sphinx]

Ahhh

[somber axle]

minus onslaught

that's mostly for memes LOL

[livid sphinx]

Isn't the problem with half of the nodes there is that you need to do melee wherein the other problem lies with the bolter having such a long draw out time

[tall torrent]

yea but u will just, melee, in the melee game, because boltgun doesn't have that much ammo in the first place

[livid sphinx]

Ahh alright

[narrow torrent]

Melee is for nerds

[tidal fox]

fr REAL veterans just keep their helbore out all game and carry through specialist sniping smh

[narrow torrent]

Or recon las everything

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

Melee game claimers when game designers add ways to turn melee game into shooty game:

[dapper coyote]

Uhhh, you can do long bomb with new mortar grenade from the expedition mode now

I got it

Thx Swagger

[jaunty tinsel]

im also a big dakkahead

although i also believe if you want to dakka you have an obligation to your team to make it a very good dakka build that doesn't ammo hog

so that's why i ended up drifting to recon

[narrow torrent]

Yea that’s why I haven’t bothered leveling Ogryn until now

Allegedly you can dakka most of the game without stealing all the ammo so I’m gonna try it out

[livid sphinx]

Anyone else's exe stance bugs out from time to time?

Like not highlighting anything?

[hollow ibex]

yeah it seems to not highlight certain enemies

not sure what the cause is

[tall torrent]

outline reapplies whenever u kill stuff

if u refresh before smth that would be outlined spawns

that thing wouldn't get outline

[livid sphinx]

Ah okay

[hollow ibex]

tried out Mk XIV recon las

yeah it's exactly as i remembered

boring and effective

the new cleave talent works really well with it, unsurprisingly

[dry cloak]

It becomes the best braced autogun

With it

[hollow ibex]

braced has more style tho

[shrewd topaz]

Ok but inf ammo go pew

[plain elbow]

Evening all, just started last week and managed to get 30 and a nice recon lasgun but wanted to try something different - just seen this plasma gun and from my reading of guides that's some decent stats. Worth a buy ? (Melk store)

[shrewd topaz]

What stats

[somber axle]

yeah and after the expedition update I've had a weird bug sometimes where the button greys out and exe stance randomly goes unusable for the rest of a match too

like ability is just gone until I finish out the map

can't activate, button does nothing

[plain elbow]

Oh, can't attach pic but 79dmg 79ammo 69 thermal 73charge 80stopping, +20% carapace, 12%sprint, power blast, blaze away

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret is what you want on plasma

[plain elbow]

LV.500 since it's from melk but only been playing long enough to buy one thing. I do have a maxed recon lasgun I do enjoy (burn/dum)

[shrewd topaz]

Bleh

[plain elbow]

i assume i'm not gonna see those stats again any time soon so worth picking up for melkbux ? not got great accessories and happy with my current gun but bit of fomo, bit of wanting to try something else

[shrewd topaz]

Oh wait 69 resist

Might as well buy

79 damage and ammo probably won't career end you

[shrewd topaz]

Also not really fomo

You can just throw money at armory exchange until right roll then max it

And then pay like 10k for blessings 🗿

[narrow torrent]

Yea, make sure you participate in the current event too. (Just do expeditions)

Lots of free materials

[plain elbow]

again just started and only got the one class to 30 (vet) so may need mats for other stuff. but thought i'd hop over and ask veteran veterans.

[shrewd topaz]

Maxing weapons is the mat dump

[narrow torrent]

Yea, with plasma you also gotta make sure you have a decent horde clear melee weapon too, so keep that in mind

[shrewd topaz]

or being a weirdo and spamming curio swaps

[plain elbow]

what is a good melee weapon btw ? have a 480 blue duel sword but not invested in good rolls/upgrades. main is recon las with burn and dum and it just nopes everything

[narrow torrent]

Dueling sword is more of an anti carapace melee then a horde clear

[plain elbow]

not tried anything harder than heresy

[hollow ibex]

psword is the king of melee

but takes practice to use

[shrewd topaz]

And needs power cycler

[hollow ibex]

the tax is real

[narrow torrent]

Grab some random weapons you’ve been give from missions and try them out in the meat grinder

[shrewd topaz]

Go my uncanny strike serrated blade

Or yk

Frag nades

[plain elbow]

think i've tried a bit of everything, quite like axe (can't remember which) and catachan sword but i've got so much ammo on las i rarely switch. so, open to suggestions.

[narrow torrent]

Axe is a safe bet iirc

D sword is fun tho

[plain elbow]

though back to topic at hand i gather that rare plasma from melk is a "yeah if you want plasma, otherwise just build one later" ?

[dry cloak]

I sword is a safe weapon when you get hang of the parry

[shrewd topaz]

Just get it now

Gambling non 60 dump stat weapons is not fun

[narrow torrent]

You can min max the 1% difference later. Who knows you might try out plasma and just not be into it

[shrewd topaz]

like there's a weapon aside from plasma

[shrewd topaz]

Pov -6m ordos

[hollow ibex]

it's a boring ass gun

that's for sure

[narrow torrent]

Just roll better rng smh

[shrewd topaz]

True

Who needs plasma gun when wep spec db/revolver exist

[crimson inlet]

Does the Augment for Vets shout that makes it able to revive allies not increase it's CD anymore?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that was changed

after shout got nerfed

[crimson inlet]

How long ago?

[hollow ibex]

last major patch

so a week or two ago

[crimson inlet]

Really?

[plain elbow]

ok thanks for your help all. what are the recommended vet weapons for expedition and higher difficulties anyway ? i did enjoy helbore but i can kill stuff a lot faster from range with my recon and ammo isn;t a problem anymore. never tried any autoguns and have been wanting to try bolters but plasma was kinda high on my list too

[hollow ibex]

check patchnotes if you don't believe me lol

[crimson inlet]

Not saying I don't believe you, just suprised it's that recent

[hollow ibex]

vet saw some balance changes

VOC got nerfed

but the revival node was buffed

[crimson inlet]

I feel like it's still not worth taking though, what do you think?

[hollow ibex]

it's prob fine now

but vet builds generally don't have spare points

and gold toughness is still mandatory

[narrow torrent]

It’s fun unless you’re really hurting on points

[crimson inlet]

Yeah but the shout itself knocks enemies back and gives you room to res, I feel like you'd be better off saving the point for something else

[hollow ibex]

that's prob right

rez shout is more for the funnies

[shrewd topaz]

They should make res shout do assists as well

[crimson inlet]

wdym?

[narrow torrent]

Dropping onto 3 dead randoms and yelling at them to get up is peak cinema

[dry cloak]

Ill be real. Games without shout, book, or ogryn are harder

[shrewd topaz]

Unnet

Rescue

Yada yada

[crimson inlet]

Ohhhhh, yeah mb lol

[shrewd topaz]

O

[narrow torrent]

[crimson inlet]

B

[hollow ibex]

guy gets ledged
PULL YOURSELF UP DUMBASS

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

that would be funny

[crimson inlet]

lmao

[narrow frost]

<@&735928989146939404>

[shrewd topaz]

[narrow frost]

Why are you trying to talk around a slur?

Probably just a kid

[crimson inlet]

Who cares?

[hollow ibex]

lol

bro went all out

<@&735928989146939404>

some kids are up past their bedtime

[narrow frost]

You can always tell

Looks like a raid too

Just block siro

[hollow ibex]

🥱

[narrow frost]

I was just about to go to sleep

[hollow ibex]

yeah not wasting my time on this lol

[narrow frost]

I feel bad for Dilara and inca

They don't get paid enough

Or at all for this

Bye bye

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-gif-23955341

GET THE FUCK UP

[dapper coyote]

How goes the open map update for yall?

[somber axle]

It's been pretty fun but I'm mostly playing normal maps for Auric/Maelstroms because I enjoy that game loop a little more

The sandstorms are really funny especially when they spawn directly on objectives

I've even had a moment where one spawned directly on top of the back of the extraction ship's ramp

[dapper coyote]

I like that future updates won't fuck with our builds no more

Yippeee

[green cobalt]

Are there build suggestions in here or look online? Playing veteran only at the moment and want to make sure I am learning and focusing on right weapons.

[toxic reef]

pinned guide

teaches you a lot of basics and such as well

[green cobalt]

Cool thanks

[livid sphinx]

Expeditions are fun. Really nice change of pace from linear missions

Only problem is people are too greedy

[grand perch]

Vortexes are kind of bs and can ruin the run with bad RNG

Not a fan

[pseudo fiber]

People are big and greedy

[somber axle]

I agree but that's what makes them so funny

[tall torrent]

I got the black chestpiece

[pseudo fiber]

Congrats!

You are now the most expeditioned

[tall torrent]

waiting for 18 grid points to get this

[pseudo fiber]

33 expeditions later

[tall torrent]

but this will do for now

[pseudo fiber]

Or... 68 I guess following the story

[pseudo fiber]

What about the havoc pants

[tall torrent]

doesn't match that well tbh

the expedition chestpiece has like

no belt (bug maybe?)

so the belt area will look weird

[steep flower]

Nah; 67

[pseudo fiber]

That's odd

[steep flower]

[pseudo fiber]

Don't worry about it

[tall torrent]

I like the black chestpiece a lot tho

[pseudo fiber]

They're just good ass cosmetics

[tall torrent]

hopefully they make a black recolor scion helm at some point

[pseudo fiber]

I love the satchel bag it's my favourite part

[steep flower]

Killzone much?

[tall torrent]

the ogryn one looks awesome actually

this my ogryn rn

[pseudo fiber]

Goob

Did you grind Zeta with random?

Or have a team?

[tall torrent]

50% of my TR are from zeta

and did a lot with friend

just speedrun objs

best class is vet by far

2 stealth

for obj

and u can still run fast with laspistol

and kill gunners

and bring a power sword for horde

and u can krak bosses into oblivion

[pseudo fiber]

You running that stealth build you posted the other day?

[tall torrent]

no

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah kraks eat packmaster

Like 200 remnants there alone

[tall torrent]

I played the latter half with +9 stam

max sprint efficiency

max stam regen rate

max cooldown

lol

[pseudo fiber]

Holy beastmode

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s just for running around

It’s malice anyway doesn’t matter

Strat is basically

Split and speedrun zone 1

Get 100+ scrap

If there’s yellow stim in sanctuary, buy it

The servo mines are pretty good

Purgation mine can clear everything off obj

Shock mine buys a shit ton of time for auspex minigames

And the explosive mine does super high boss damage (this is mainly for non-vet classes)

[dry cloak]

Path. Since you are the number guy here. What do you think about buffing bosses. 2x health and more damage. Maybe some innate damage resist

[toxic reef]

I've only seen one stealth vet like you're talking about in my zeta runs, usually zealots or scums that run around

tho I'm only doing auric

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t mind warp/ranged/DOT damage resist and damage gate per hit to prevent cheesy 1 taps

But idk about 2x boss hp lol sounds kinda tedious

[toxic reef]

and have often run a stealth zealot, more with martyrdom to mostly just cheese big targets and not run around alone

[tall torrent]

Vet gets to do a lot of things all at the same time

Zealot can run faster and has stun immune

But you’re prob not gonna sit there and tank hits while doing obj

And stealth is shorter

[pseudo fiber]

I think packmaster needs something tho

[tall torrent]

And 1 less charge

[pseudo fiber]

Resistances... or an AoE attack

[tall torrent]

Packmaster is actually really op

[toxic reef]

packmaster is fine

[tall torrent]

His debuff is the craziest debuff in the game

Bar none

[toxic reef]

like the shock debuff can mess you up

it's just that a lot of ppl are running cracked boss killer stuff atm

[tall torrent]

The only reason people think he’s easy is because you have the tools to blow everything to shreds in expeditions

[toxic reef]

because the armor spam is a lot on auric

[dry cloak]

This is rough idea. I mean it as general boss health increase

[toxic reef]

what's the health increase in h40 for bosses

[tall torrent]

Maybe 15~20% higher but wouldn’t do much above that

I think warp/ranged/dot reduction needs to happen

And damage gate per hit to reduce cheesy 1 taps on zealot

U can set the damage gate high so that u can still chunk them really hard

But 1 taps are just cheesy and makes people build for it in bad ways

I think it’d be better to encourage melee vs bosses

[dry cloak]

I mean

Zeslot still has eviscerators that chunk bosses

Hard

[pseudo fiber]

It's also like half the fun

[dry cloak]

Abilities or not

[pseudo fiber]

I still cannot dodge Chaos spawns though

[tall torrent]

Eviscerator is only like significantly above average vs twins

[dry cloak]

Dodge right

[dry cloak]

Its not better than thammer. Its still good

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1471699184976396358/1481179238026580139/6330E41.MP4?ex=69ccbd29&is=69cb6ba9&hm=92a9ea0e8969f269ed92e7240353cdea41ae763bdaaed32dccea1a444adc5913&

[dry cloak]

On avarage that is

[tall torrent]

This is the only enemy eviscerator is significant ahead of everything else in

But on most bosses it’s not that impressive

Because u need a longer dps window for it to do most of its damage

And zealot is famously known for having no boss stagger besides chorus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

If u want bosses to be more relevant overall, gotta nerf boss stagger duration and availability of boss stagger

And make bosses’ melee attacks more varied/unpredictable

Both will do more than 2x health

[pseudo fiber]

True

[dry cloak]

Yes

[pseudo fiber]

The fact pogryn can shove you in a corner and it's not really a problem since they're so easy to dodge is concerning

[dry cloak]

Im just suggesting the path of least resistence

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn is honestly just a time sink

[dry cloak]

Evis is good enough for me

[toxic reef]

study the graphs

[tall torrent]

The actual high pressure bosses I think are ok atm

Besides chaos spawn which is either really annoying because the person it’s targeting doesn’t know how to fight it

Or

It gets blown up in 6 seconds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[dry cloak]

Kraks be upon bosses

[tall torrent]

I don’t think of DT bosses the same way I do other ARPG bosses tbh

DT bosses are just time sink compared to mixed horde

All of them fundamentally are just that

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kisser-boykisser-boy-kisser-type-type-typing-gif-4348094406361571449

[dry cloak]

I would like bosses to be actual threat instead of just big obstacle

[sly orchid]

Im so happy that darktide doesnt have a bile troll

[tall torrent]

Even if u make bosses 2x slower to kill they’ll still be lower priority than elites and specialists most of the time

[slow spade]

I wish the Assassination bosses were tougher because their ost is 10/10

[dry cloak]

In vt2 having a boss killer was much more valuable than dt

[slow spade]

Agreed, most boss fights are just me sniping things while my team handles it

[tall torrent]

DT has like uh

5 classes that can nuke bosses?

[slow spade]

I wonder if they should add more ranged bosses

[toxic reef]

arby left out as usual

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Hybrid vet with krak
PBB ogryn
Shroud zealot
Rampage melee hvs
SG + DS gun psyker

Arb just isn’t that good at boss damage

[toxic reef]

I've had some fun with flanking autogun vets for bosses

[tall torrent]

He’s still a significantly better damage dealer than foot knight tho

[slow spade]

Even the +30% monster damage talent just bumps it to "decent" damage imo

[toxic reef]

scum and ogryn being able to regen toughness on bosses so easily is v nice as well

[tall torrent]

Arb does mostly the same frontlining business as foot knight except he actually does mixed horde dps and can kill specials up to ~20m fairly well

[pseudo fiber]

We need the wolfer bossfight asap

[dry cloak]

But you need to spec into that. You can have a game eith staffker charge zealot tount ogryn and arby. You still with stagger the boss to death but it will be slower

[sly orchid]

Or routing wolfer like rinda

Not killing him but maiming him

[tall torrent]

It’s kinda hard not to spec damage on arb lol

[slow spade]

To be fair, speccing into it isn't a "weird" build

[pseudo fiber]

Well they just need something unique they can reuse by plonking it into havoc

[slow spade]

The first psyker enemy UwU

[dry cloak]

Yeah. I say arby as a whole with not good boss damage

[tall torrent]

I’ll also say

[pseudo fiber]

That's probably coming tbf

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Salvage lord title grind is crazy

It’s like uh

[pseudo fiber]

There's lots of hints

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400 games?

[sly orchid]

A fuckton of malice games

Aka a slog of a grind

[tall torrent]

I got the black chest piece and only have ~26k scrap traded

[livid sphinx]

If I remember correctly, the arby can grape bosses by spamming his nades + stance

[tall torrent]

So to get salvage lord I’d basically have enough TR to unlock black chest piece 4 times over

[slow spade]

I hope so, would be cool to see more interesting enemies that ACTUALLY spawn (rip scab radio operator)

[tall torrent]

Not nearly as good the other classes

[toxic reef]

I saw a reddit post of someone grinding it the first week

lemme pull up

[sly orchid]

Arby has a slow ttk

Like extremely slow

[distant mural]

On the last node u can get a lot of remnants

[pseudo fiber]

We have two hints

We got an enemy sorcerer line of code

And a voiceline from Seer where he says "You are a black stain on our kind!" Or something like that

[tall torrent]

Like this is just vet with almost no pre-stack buffs, no stims, no ability, no blitz

[toxic reef]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1s1vgr0/this_has_to_be_the_worst_penance_i_think_iv_ever/

[distant mural]

Idk seems fine to me im not rishing it and am allready at over 50k

[slow spade]

Sadly "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

[livid sphinx]

Interesting

[dry cloak]

If you play a lot it is

[tall torrent]

I alrdy finished the tech remnant grind for now

[livid sphinx]

I assume that DS is faster than PS?

[tall torrent]

No

[distant mural]

I play like maybe 2-3 matches after work

[toxic reef]

faster at what?

[slow spade]

Mobility you mean?

[tall torrent]

DS is not the fastest boss damage

[toxic reef]

it runs faster ye

[livid sphinx]

Oh okay

[tall torrent]

Unless u run the cringe relentless strikes build

[dry cloak]

I played like 8 matches last week and that was it

[tall torrent]

But who even does that

[steep flower]

Varied yes
Unpredictable no; we don’t want chaos spawn/minotaur in this game

[dry cloak]

@distant mural stopped enjoying dt as much.

Need a pause

Big pause

[distant mural]

I mean it should take a lot simce its the last penance

[livid sphinx]

I rarely use melee to kill bosses and just rely on my good ol' krak grenades

[distant mural]

But i think 250000 is fine

Its not thaaaaat much

[tall torrent]

I got it alrdy lol

[distant mural]

Noice

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TR needs improvements tho

It does nothing

[distant mural]

TR?

[tall torrent]

And it doesn’t scale in diff

Tech rem

[shrewd topaz]

havoc 40 expeditions when

[distant mural]

Wdym by that?

[livid sphinx]

Yeah that's the weirdest thing about it rn

[distant mural]

Like more remnants for more diff?

[tall torrent]

U get the same tech remnants on malice as auric

[distant mural]

Yeah i agree

[tall torrent]

So there’s no reason to grind it on auric if u want it done fast

[distant mural]

True

[tall torrent]

So everyone that want to do it fast just speedrun malice

[livid sphinx]

Idek why I torture myself in auric. I haven't won a single dog expedition yet

[tall torrent]

I saw 2 other guys with black chest piece while I was grinding

lol

[distant mural]

Thats just the hardest node imo

Dw about it

[tall torrent]

Everyone grinds on zeta

[livid sphinx]

Dogs are just brutal in open areas

[distant mural]

Yeah gamma kills bad teams

Very fast

[toxic reef]

yeah dogs are much worse than tornados

[tall torrent]

I’m also like

90% sure

The expedition overall map

Is just 1 map

Like the overall layout structure is the same

But the POIs that spawn are different

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[livid sphinx]

Oh yeah ofc. I don't they they have the time to make 8 different maps

Completeley different maps

[tall torrent]

No it’s more like

It’s not actually procedurally generated large map

[slow spade]

Especially now that you don't get aimbot'd while in the tornado now

[tall torrent]

It’s 1 fixed large map with preset POI locations that have random POI objectives

So like

[toxic reef]

the biggest downside to expeditions rn is midjoins are awful in terms of not having any salvage and often being thrown in to terrible runs + respawns being in one place

[distant mural]

Huh

[torn gorge]

just clutch harder

[steep flower]

So like battle royale

[distant mural]

Yeah i hate joining mid mission

[tall torrent]

Not even that

[slow spade]

The no salvage thing really fucked me up lol

[tall torrent]

How do I describe this

Uh

[distant mural]

U also get less scrap when hotjoining

[shrewd topaz]

exped respawns are so ass why is there only 1 spawn

[distant mural]

Wich is doodoo

[distant mural]

So u dont split up and die

Dying has to suck

[tall torrent]

Lemme put it this way

[shrewd topaz]

ill be dead from old age by the time i get to them

[toxic reef]

there's better dying debuffs you can implement than just

oh they only respawn in one place

which is either very inconvenient

or just

[distant mural]

Idk i think its good

[shrewd topaz]

brazil.

[toxic reef]

right next to where you're already at

[distant mural]

It should be incomvenient but thats just my opinion

[shrewd topaz]

or that

[toxic reef]

I just don't think it's ever been mentioned as being a way to punish

[tall torrent]

The big map is the same (routes are all the same) with many preset POI spawn points

The actual POIs that spawn are random, and spawn up to 4 marked POIs per zone I think

So like, if u go to the same pipeline area across multiple runs, the pipeline area general structure is always the same

[toxic reef]

it's just how the map's generated

[tall torrent]

However the POI being spawned near the pipelines can be different

[distant mural]

No thats just how i think about it

[sly orchid]

Expeditions also look boring

Its just piss yellow

[tall torrent]

Also there’re hidden POIs that actually reward a good amount of tech remnants

[toxic reef]

that was most of us gaming in the 00s

[tall torrent]

U kinda need to do them to maximize payout

[toxic reef]

we lived through it

[tall torrent]

For the penance grind