veteran-class

[tall torrent]

VoC has unavoidable downtime

unless u mean multiple veterans cycling through each of theirs

[runic jackal]

Some times. But there is 3 of us

Yep

Hence the 3 in one. If its just u

Then yea

After the last nerf. It has about 5 seconds of dt out of combat

But thats not to bad

[sharp epoch]

I think chorus would accomplish that better tbh it last longer and the cdr is just better

if you're going for a turtle build

[runic jackal]

To long of cooldown

Less knockdown. And takes you out of combat

Also halfs ur dps not using dash

Full turtle is like. 3 smite and 1 thunder hammer xd

[sharp epoch]

dash got power crept its not that relevant in havoc, now, an invicibility button for several seconds for the whole team and gold toughness is actually way more useful

[bold sierra]

there's this comment on a video of mine that says this...I legit don't even understand what he's saying.

"Wtf? How You get enemy who take less dmg same like havoc If dmg inflict required almost to double hit not to saw You were supose have horde without puse? Oh mod srry"

[bold sierra]

I assume you're talking about fury of the faithful. It's still GREAT for Havoc, given that's the ability I use the most in H40. It's meant to help your team out in a more offensive way.

[tall torrent]

It’s less utility than shroud, still good tho

Shroud is zealot’s most impactful ult atm

[bold sierra]

game I had yesterday on Rotten Armor with Thammer and Fury

[bold sierra]

Shroud definitely excels at burst boss dmg (well, not great for LTs tho, cuz dmg cap), but if you screw up that one hit it can be a bit detrimental. Fury with 2 charges is more lenient. But all in all, they're more or less the same but different in some aspects

Pushing aggro to your team can SOMETIMES be a bit rough with shroud, but it's not a huge problem xD, stealth revive is amazing tho

[dire wyvern]

What’s everyone’s build for las Rifle? I have modified mine more for carapace and maniacs for new expeditions, didn’t really worry much about unyielding

[bold sierra]

inf las or what?

[dire wyvern]

Sorry yes infantry Las

Not recon

[bold sierra]

I run Flak+Elite with Headhunter and Ghost.

Mark VII (green one)

[dire wyvern]

What about vet skills ?

[bold sierra]

I've been playing Inf lasgun with Exec Stance A LOT in H40s these past few days. THis is the build I run with a lot.

I did swap out that orange talent below for more reload speed after here and there tho

I also played with Focus Target and VoC too

[dire wyvern]

You went smoke nades?

[bold sierra]

yep, smokes are just great value in Havoc

[dire wyvern]

I just love kraks for taking out orgyns

[bold sierra]

you'd barely ever see Havoc vet in Hong Kong sv without smokes

Ogryns are fine, nothing Psword can't handle and stuff

[dire wyvern]

Ah fair enough

[bold sierra]

and given they ACTUALLY tuned down the Crusher spawn during "terror event" I believe this patch, it's not TOO needed

Kraks still great for bosses tho

[dire wyvern]

Is the shout still worth it as well ? That’s my current setup

Found it always good just for that buff when hordes are coming at ya

[toxic reef]

yeah

if you can spare a point (I can't on my build) you can also take the revive talent

it's not restricted anymore and doesn't have worse range or cooldown

[bold sierra]

still the easiest ability to play yeah. Can't go wrong with it

[broken reef]

yo is efficiency worth it

[broken reef]

now that revive is just a flat extra to it for a point cost its actually really great to fast revive someone or revive someone and the guy who bravely went down trying to revive them

they get the extra gold toughness and get revived instantly

it basically lets you keep the momentum going in a fight instead of it nosediving off a cliff

ive been using the shout identically to aced inspire payday 2 style

[slender elm]

Is ilas worth using now or does the pistol still perform better

[broken reef]

efficiency is really funny

[narrow torrent]

Pistol is probably still better ngl

[slender elm]

Ok den

[narrow torrent]

Crit goes brrrrt

[broken reef]

im using mk 9 and since it physically cant fire faster than twice per second i just have a bottomless magazine

i am basically permanently on the first 20% of my mag

its basically a force staff without travel time

[ancient path]

lub me combat shotty

[tame lodge]

If you want to save points and avoid getting Shock trooper sure

[broken reef]

its far more consistent than shock troop though

mk9 shoots slow enough to have it active 100% of the time anyways

[hollow ibex]

so let me get this right

you use up 50% of your blessing slots to replace a much-needed damage blessing

to make your infinite ammo gun more infiniter

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-spin-infinite-gif-18476342

seems... inefficient

[narrow torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[broken reef]

gamer im using the mk9 the inefficiency starts right there

[hollow ibex]

its not even dakka because this is the mkix lol

[hollow ibex]

fair

[broken reef]

anything after it is trying to make sense of a actively inefficient weapons niche

[broken reef]

im sure youd be delighted to know i hunted 3 3 stamina curios so i can run bottomless mag recon las

i may die when a mauler breathes funny behind me but my front is smouldering clean

[narrow torrent]

Just grab all the +25 toughness nodes

[tame lodge]

Very compelling argument

I wholeheartedly agree

[hollow ibex]

dakka?

on a mk ix ilas?

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[tame lodge]

I agree

[hollow ibex]

fake orcs

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lapiscel-family-guy-lois-griffin-nine-eleven-was-bad-gif-2443936417001864957

[narrow torrent]

Dakka comes in all shapes and sizes smh

[tame lodge]

Oi

There's no way you don't know this

But rate of fire

Is merely a decoration

The real dakka is an acclamation

From the soul

https://tenor.com/view/shining-jujutsu-kaisen-todo-shining-todo-todo-shining-gif-9575997832727656241

[hollow ibex]

sounds like dakka heresy to me

[tame lodge]

I was clipping a extra rof mk9

But damn I gotta say

What a sexy ass recoil

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-guy-eating-food-black-guy-eating-food-looking-impressed-gif-10889211068283790390

Like damn the ilas stability is better than ever

[narrow torrent]

I’m too lazy to headshot so I just let the reconlas hipfire hit the headshots for me

[tame lodge]

Like damn barely any effort required on the mk2

feels the recoil

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tastes-the-food-enjoys-it-w-speed-zobbiewobbin-gif-14817338310773255511

[hollow ibex]

yeah they did a good job of toning down the recoil on the mk2 without making it feel weightless

ilas still mid tho

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-dennis-feels-the-aura-aura-duke-aura-farm-gif-12250327613032664645

This is a whole ass new gun

https://tenor.com/view/tight-tuco-breaking-bad-gif-7215689

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-the-white-gandalf-return-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-20151825

I am Gandalf the White. I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide.

just kidding ilas still sucks

[tame lodge]

Well yeah still mid

[narrow torrent]

It wishes it could be as good as the laspistol

[tame lodge]

But feels better

And feels is all that matters

Now I'm gonna have iLas calling me like the green goblin's mask

I consistently consecutively critted and couldn't see shit

But hey

Reduced recoil

https://tenor.com/view/tight-tuco-breaking-bad-gif-7215689

[iron parcel]

fucking wof mkv las is giving me carpal tunnel im going back to iv

[willow prairie]

me when skitarius

[hollow ibex]

even with skitarius and passive charge my hand hurts playing helbore tbh lol

combination of holding down both lmb and rmb all game

[void dragon]

Return to Vigilant exe stance gaming, and only click with one finger

[willow prairie]

i just charge normally with helbore tbh

im much more accurate without macro

[rustic kite]

Resisting the urge to make every cadian variant i can

[willow prairie]

also why wof on mk5

[rustic kite]

So far I have
Longlas (Hellbore)
Lasgun + Vox Caster
Sergeant (Las pistol + chainsword)
Kasrkin Hotshot Lasgun

[hollow ibex]

it's very funny

[iron parcel]

feels like a waste of surgical ngl

[hollow ibex]

you can usually still get 1-2 stacks of surg

so it actually isn't that bad

[willow prairie]

it just not that much faster than normal fire

i just run hotshot for funny cleave + new cleave talent

[hollow ibex]

it's noticeably much faster

[arctic ridge]

On higher difficulties that has more enemy bodies -- is Boltgun mark III the overall better utility choice than the mark II?

[tame lodge]

There's no better boltgun

There's only boltgun

https://tenor.com/view/40k-incense-warhammer-astartes-gif-13427494245075471431

[void dragon]

There is also Boltgun2, it has sororitas with power swords and crossbows

[tame lodge]

Is it out yet?

[void dragon]

Iirc not yet

[tame lodge]

Damn

[void dragon]

Ye, I want it out yesterday

[sharp epoch]

hack

[void dragon]

Mechanicus class will have the same system of Hscum but instead of atoms it will customize your body so you have more toughness with the capacity to gain burst of toughness on break, more dodges with longer legs so you are as tall as ogryn, and maybe more stamina with probably Mecha tendrils for passive shooting

[feral jetty]

do I have to use the double barrel in the slayer build in the pinned guide?

[void dragon]

Dbarrel is very good for it, but revolver also works very good

[feral jetty]

i've been using the bolt pistol

I can't figure out how to use the double barrel properly

[void dragon]

Anything that with a quick swap you can kill something is good for that build

[feral jetty]

I also have to use the knife or shovel ye?

cause of uncanny

I just feel kinda weak and idk what i'm doing wrong unfortunately

[void dragon]

Use melee-kill 3 somethings - swap dbarrel into a horde- click - swap back to melee

[void dragon]

Melee is flexible, as long as you can keep a loop of killing you can run from chain axes to heavy swords and all around

[feral jetty]

do I use the ADS on it to fire both shells at once?

[void dragon]

Shovel and knife have the benefits to aid the bleed of shotgun the most with uncanny, but it isn't THE only way

[feral jetty]

got it

[void dragon]

Not necessarily, ADS usually is to nuke the muties, otherwise just single shot will suffice to cut down a swarm very fast

[feral jetty]

gotcha

do I only use one single shot?

and then swap?

[void dragon]

Bleed and cleave will help you make a swarm very ded even with a single target weapon

[feral jetty]

do I bother trying to stack the ranged buff up to 10? or is a few stacks plenty?

[void dragon]

3 melee kills will give you a guaranteed crit, shooting once will keep the loop running

[feral jetty]

ahhh ok

got ya

so 3 is the min always

[void dragon]

Stacking more is not needed for that, since the attack speed isn't needed

[feral jetty]

ye so I only need to melee kill 3 dudes

then swap, blast, repeat

[void dragon]

3 to guarantee it, but looping one kill to fight off a rager horde is valid

[feral jetty]

gotcha

does swapping to the shotgun reload it if I have stacks?

[void dragon]

Yes, that's why low ammo but high damage guns have good value with that style

[feral jetty]

ok hell ya

is there anything I can drop in the slayer build for the voc revive?

or is that a bad pick

[void dragon]

Can't recall the build but that's usually your call, personally I feel revive is not that great but I would lie if I don't say I saved games thanks to it

[feral jetty]

that's valid

just wondering what's "best" to drop if anything for it

maybe the toughness node bottom right? idk

[void dragon]

It can be, but you will learn to love those, the class isn't THAT durable in spite of piss toughness from shout

[feral jetty]

yeah fair

[void dragon]

I have run without it, is possible, but is up to you

[sharp epoch]

its cause vets tdr is conditional like close order drill

[void dragon]

No taking iron will is throwing

The class really needs those damage reductions, even on auric a barrage of gunners can toss you from 100 to downed in a second

[slow spade]

I miss when Exec Stance had 75% dr

[tall torrent]

no

[frigid rover]

hmm, exec stance boomstick...

hmmmmmmmm...

[willow prairie]

dogshit unfortunately

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-stick-army-of-darkness-bruce-campbell-gun-this-gif-17346017

[willow prairie]

it's just db is not a very good weapon outside like 1 meme build

[frigid rover]

:(

[hollow ibex]

meme build

It’s literally the standard melee vet build

[willow prairie]

no chudling

bleedmaxxing isn't havoc viable

[tame lodge]

Which is also top tier build

[willow prairie]

😠

[tame lodge]

Double Barrel is one of the few weapons that can rival psyker

Except for Satoru Gojo, of course

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-jujutsu-kaisen-pink-role-role-rolecism-gif-9815742547551353271

[dry galleon]

I honestly don't know why you wouldn't take it. With the current tree you'd have to genuinely avoid it in order not to have in in a build.

[void dragon]

"Calling meme build to one of the best cqc builds for veteran that has been proven to work all the way to havoc"
What the jelly?

[midnight totem]

Stacking the ranged buff to 10 just gives you more fire rate, also reload speed.

Which can be funny with some weapons

But thats mostly it, fun

[flint iris]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-crying-sad-marvel-cry-marvel-sad-rip-stan-lee-gif-12872280

i had no idea how hard zealots had it this whole time holy shit

ive been gifted so much power as veteran

the toughness regen is immense as veteran and zealot just isnt even in the same ballpark

[hollow ibex]

tell to cole lol

with his 4m damage DB h40 game

[void dragon]

Funny considering that in the middle of a pack of enemies I feel zealot can shrug off minor hits just as good as an Ogryn, even when dealing with some gunners due the toughness Regen on dodge.
But yeah, veteran is quite strong on a balance pov

[sharp epoch]

zealot still probably has the strongest support ability in the game next to bubble

and his auras are pretty good

[willow prairie]

bro never played pre rework zealot

[boreal zenith]

is this true? i thought zealot was super strong right now

[hybrid plover]

Zealot was way stronger before

But extremely limited in options

Because their CDR was disgusting.

[runic jackal]

Teehee still on the db thing

Mid gun frfr

[hybrid plover]

But the pathing for the tree was really bad.

[hybrid plover]

Ah. Bait.

[runic jackal]

You can reverse bait me. By calling my facts bait

[hybrid plover]

It's not a fact though.

[runic jackal]

Uh
Yuh huh it is

[hybrid plover]

Nah.

Double barrel fun and gud.

[narrow torrent]

Factslop smh

[runic jackal]

Fun yes. Good no

Its mid grade

[hybrid plover]

I can't believe someone would come on the internet to just, tell lies like this.

I thought we were better in the big 26

[runic jackal]

Lies? Its the truth

Im legally an expert in this game

[hybrid plover]

In what regard?

[boreal zenith]

i thought everyone is playing fat man or whatever its called

[hybrid plover]

I explained up top

[boreal zenith]

so fatman is bad now?

[hybrid plover]

Basically they streamlined the tree for people to have more options

It's not at all.

It's not that zealot is bad obviously

But more that because their ability cooldown got so nuked, it put them a little further back in actual output.

You had to play zealot before the rework to understand how stupid the class could be back then.

[turbid ibex]

i feel like fury and chorus could use some tweaks to compensate for that

idk about shroudfield tho i havent really used that one

[boreal zenith]

what veteran build do you like? personally im finding zealot to be more tanky

they are the only 2 classes i have atm

[hybrid plover]

Shroudfield is probably the one that came out on top.

[hybrid plover]

Shovel DB WS

Personally the build I find the most fun for vet and the one I've had the most success with for vet

[turbid ibex]

i kinda think fury should give +25% strength instead of damage

idk tho

[hybrid plover]

I don't think that'd really change anything.

Since its one hit only that takes that damage bonus.

[turbid ibex]

latch attacks scaling with attack speed would also be huge for eviscerator

[hybrid plover]

And then everything after is an attack speed bonus

[flint iris]

ergghh maybe im just out of practice with zealot, just feels like you get pecked to peices by ranged fire constantly

veteran doesnt even flinch from any ranged pecks and thats great

zealot is my highest level so i shouldn't be having issues, ive just been hellbore veteran for so long

[tall torrent]

zealot is worse hive scum

[boreal zenith]

i agree with that. maps that are wide open are annoying

but in corridors where the sword hits the entire hallway. it seems good

[flint iris]

its still of my opinion desperado is just sickening with how many fucking things it does

[boreal zenith]

cant zealot 1 shot pretty muhc anything with their stealth sprint attack

[flint iris]

1 shotting anything isnt that much value when there are 50 things that need killing

you need to be able to dish repeated high damage all the time

zealot feels like he charges up one really good attack for one really good kill and thats great

[boreal zenith]

i mean technically you can kite until stealth is back up

[fair shale]

Tbh

I think of zealot as The Won't Die Class atp

[boreal zenith]

yea but people here are saying veteran is more tanky

[fair shale]

Nah

[boreal zenith]

so which is correct

[fair shale]

Vet is upfront tanky right

As long as you're above 75 percent toughness

They have great toughness gen too

But zealot fundamentally will not die if you don't fuck up more than every 2 minutes and it has a goofy ass build for it rn that beats out everything else on tankiness, imo anyway

[feral stratus]

Wnat blessings should i use with the vigilant autogun?

[flint iris]

2 minutes sounds like nothing but its actually a very long time to stay alive in the world of darktide lol

[fair shale]

Eh

[boreal zenith]

well i think hes saying you cant make a run-ending mistake more than once every 2 minutes

[fair shale]

Well, zealot is not allowed to die every 2 minutes

Like flat out

Can't remember the talent name rn

Idk, they're a very good solo clutch class and mostly incomparable to vet ime

[boreal zenith]

vet is like ezmode to me. cuz i havent tried havoc yet

[fair shale]

Havoc isn't so bad

[boreal zenith]

its just like, blast everything down with overpowered guns. but ive heard that theres no ammo in havoc

[fair shale]

So ammo drops at like

1/2 or 1/3 the rate in havoc

I can't remember exactly what it is

[boreal zenith]

the issue on havoc is likely that people who are not very ammo to damage efficient steal the ammo

[dry galleon]

I like either deadly accurate + surgical or headhunter + deadly accurate on the semi auto headhunter. You can also take crucian roulette on the burst ones since they have the mag capacity and fire rate to make it work.

[boreal zenith]

if everyone saved the ammo for the stronkest gun user i think it would be gucci, im just guessing though

[trim badger]

Vet is the better class when you have a team

Zealot is the best class at clutching

[trim badger]

Most players in Havoc will either use non ammo required ranged or use things that require all ammo funneled to them

TLDR Zealots will use bolter or flamer

Vets will use plasma

[narrow torrent]

That’s why I like using the infinite ammo options, I don’t have to worry about John Greed eating all the ammo

[fair shale]

I primarily play melee builds so

Knife don't run off ammo

[boreal zenith]

yea it seems the devs want everyone to play melee in havoc

[trim badger]

Well melee is meta for vet at the moment ya

[fair shale]

It's a melee game tbf

[trim badger]

Psyker and Hivescum exist

All Zealots will essentially run flamer and destroy crusher clown cars

[fair shale]

Even then, scum defo shines harder if you're good at melee

[boreal zenith]

that just means there are certain ranged weapons that havent gotten ammo 'adjusted' yet

[trim badger]

I'd rather have more people on melee than hivescum shooting everything for 45 minutes and ending top dmg

(melee scum needs a nerf too by nerfing hyper violence)

[fair shale]

Scum has so many dumb talents now

[trim badger]

True

Hyper violence

Street Tough

[fair shale]

I don't for see ST lasting

[trim badger]

The CDR keystone

[fair shale]

Not at 6 or 8 seconds

[trim badger]

It defenitely needs to be bumped up to 45s at least xddd

[fair shale]

It could be a full 60 imo

[trim badger]

And funnily enough I would still pick it

Since it's essentially Iron Breaker's passive

And in a tide game that's goated

[fair shale]

I don't run it out of spite tbh

It's stupidly good

But it's like

https://tenor.com/view/crippled-woman-crippled-blonde-gif-2112004172588671009

Hardcore crutches

[tall torrent]

it's a melee game

[boreal zenith]

ok

[formal osprey]

Is there a good build to stay alive in darker difficulties?

[hollow ibex]

Pins has builds

[formal osprey]

Who’s pin?

[tall torrent]

u mean higher difficulty, or lights out modifier

[formal osprey]

I just started playing the game.

[tall torrent]

what is "darker difficulties"?

[formal osprey]

Hard difficulties

[tall torrent]

check pinned message

first one

[formal osprey]

Is it accurate with recent update?

[tall torrent]

not fully up to date

but most things are ok

[formal osprey]

I think the early levels are harder since no perks……

[boreal zenith]

tactics will keep you alive better than a specific build. hiding behind your teammates. learning sound queues for the specials. dodging sideways more than straight backwards

[formal osprey]

My teammate is now the shield.

[boreal zenith]

thats what ogryns are for

[formal osprey]

lol

I’m learning now.

[vestal lotus]

SEFONI NO

[midnight totem]

SEFONI YES

[narrow torrent]

Which tac axe mark is best?

[pseudo fiber]

7

[tame lodge]

None

[pseudo fiber]

I was thinking the other day actually

I'm excited for the new class

and then it's best weapons are gonna be like tacaxe combat shotgun again

[turbid ibex]

vraks IAG and rashad*

but yes

:3

[tame lodge]

Lmao

Not even an exclusive weapon

😭 🥀

[pseudo fiber]

I'd imagine they'd have good weapons

[turbid ibex]

probably

the question is if they'll beat rashad and vraks

[tall torrent]

it's June 2025, arbites has just been released, their best melee weapon is the rashad mk3 combat axe and their best ranged weapon is the vraks mk5 infantry autogun
it's December 2025, hive scum has just been released, their best melee weapon is the rashad mk3 combat axe and their best ranged weapon is the vraks mk5 infantry autogun

[pseudo fiber]

It is June 2026, skitarii has just been released,

[tall torrent]

got 141k TR

[pseudo fiber]

I am now sand gang

[tall torrent]

this new set has genuinely good quality

[tame lodge]

I got nothing

[pseudo fiber]

I love the bag

[tame lodge]

Greedyless players

That don't want to scour the whole field

[tall torrent]

no bad clipping with backpacks
renders more of ur arm than almost every other cosmetic
has gloves for all 4 classes and the gloves actually look good in first person

[pseudo fiber]

They're great cosmetics

[tall torrent]

pairs well with the rebreather helmet too

I'm hoping for a black recolor scion helmet atp

[pseudo fiber]

I could grind out the black one

but I don't really want to od that

[tall torrent]

I'm like 22 more zeta runs to get there

[pseudo fiber]

Not very convincing path hahahahha

[tall torrent]

one zeta run is like 5~6k
am 108.7k off roughly

if I only get 5k per zeta run then it's 22 games

[pseudo fiber]

I grinded like 20k today

But I was also going for grid points

Also played with a level 1035 scum

who seems to only play darktide

[tall torrent]

idk when they'll add more

[pseudo fiber]

Idk

June lol

[tall torrent]

hate time gated penances

[pseudo fiber]

Or maybe next month?

Idk

I'm tired god damn

[tough nova]

That is a lot of darktide

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah I've been using the lasgun build you posted the other day for basically all my runs (the mk7 lasgun and mk7 tacaxe one) and seeing great success so cheers for that

Do you guys ever have a bug where you select like a phantom loadout

So you have one selected but you don't

So any changes you make aren't saved

[jovial yarrow]

yes.
Happens when i first open the character sheet. it will be my last selected loadout, but it wont be selected in the courner.

[pseudo fiber]

Okay good I'm not insane then

[boreal zenith]

whats the best way to grind diamantine?

quickplay seems hit or miss. i often get that one map where its like a canyon that leads into a wide open field and then a facility with a shuttle

which has like 0 diam

[distant plaza]

PLASTEEL AND DIAMANTINE FARMING

The best ways to farm Plasteel and Diamantine are:

Limited time events tend to give 6000 Plasteel and 4000 Diamantine.
Exactly one Havoc completion a week at the highest Havoc Assignment Rank you can complete. Havoc mode is accessible at level 30 by speaking to the Commissar to the left of the mission board and then getting a task to complete a Maelstrom mission. If you complete at least one Havoc mission in a week, then you get a reward chest at the end of the week with Ordo Dockets, Plasteel, and Diamantine The chest is based on the highest ranked Havoc mission you completed over the week. Even only Havoc Assignment Rank 3 gives 2700 Plasteel and 1180 Diamantine.

Otherwise, quickplay Damnation or Auric and go tube and cubiod hunting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pqp3gs/illithidbixs_guide_to_mastery_empowering_and/

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

Beat havoc 40 every week

[boreal zenith]

ok thanks

[livid sphinx]

Anyone else's Darktide makes their drivers crash for some reason?

[tidal niche]

how do i get good with the veteran

[hollow ibex]

practice melee

melee fundamentals are very important generally

and understand that vet is not the ranged class, it's a hybrid class

[tidal fox]

WRONG

dont listen to this guy

vet is THE ranged class

if you dont have your gun out sniping elites and specialists all the time youre throwing

[silver patrol]

this is true

(it's not)

[toxic reef]

I'm always throwing (grenades)

[tidal fox]

krak addicts when they see a single crusher approaching their whole team

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-tweaking-black-guy-shaking-floor-gif-17800569265142365429

[toxic reef]

if you're not actively regenerating your grenades then you're wasting a free grenade

[distant mural]

Gotta keep that cd running tho 👆

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-tweaking-tweak-out-tweak-gif-9626953229313588671

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-tweaking-lag-funny-ishowspeed-tweaking-gif-4669442869668719763

[tidal niche]

bruh im trying to get back into the game but it feels so hard

the veteran seems so weak against heavy units

also idk which melee weapon to use

i hada maxed power sword from last i played but im finding it hard to charge it and do my swings fast enough before things hit me

[tidal niche]

i have no idea how people have time to melee with vet. you get surrounded wayyy too fast before melee does anything and most melees dont one tap. if i wanted to main melee id use the zealot.

[tropic halo]

Nade throws help out for veteran during melee combat if you get surrounded a lot

[tidal niche]

which nades

shredder?

also whats a good melee. the power sword seems ass at fighting hordes. it takes way too much to kill hoardes and i dont use it to kill bosses rather i just use the recon las

[tropic halo]

Power Sword has been one of the strongest vet melees for longest time

[tidal niche]

i have no clue how to use it

[tropic halo]

Are you using Power cycle?

[tidal niche]

the charge takes way too long to charge

power cycle 2

[tropic halo]

Make sure to upgrade it to max

that will grant you 3 charged hits

[tame lodge]

You're not block cancelling the charge animation enough

💯

[tropic halo]

It also efficient to not charge when you too close on enemies unless you know how to use the sword at that point

[tidal niche]

wait what

[tropic halo]

Does it not automatically block too when charging?

[tame lodge]

No

[tropic halo]

thats funny

[tame lodge]

That's a relic blade/falchion only thing

[tropic halo]

for some reason

[tame lodge]

Mk6
Charge into block/push
Skips charging animation

[tropic halo]

Just do a quick block tap

[tidal niche]

ok i gave it power cycle 4 what else

[tidal niche]

ooo

that fucking charge animation takes too long so i hope it helps me

[tall torrent]

partly skipped

[tall torrent]

it's fast dw

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/japan-real-real-japan-sugi-same-same-but-different-chikara-gif-4942153489374473890

[tropic halo]

Never had issues with PS charging time

[tall torrent]

power sword wants u to learn how to read enemy attacks and time ur own defense stuff

[tropic halo]

I think is more of how careless you are when in close combat when trying to charge

[tall torrent]

learn to push + atk instead of doing push atk (this is a very relevant thing for power sword)

don't be greedy with single target dps

time ur dodges better

[tropic halo]

PS has pretty bad dodge mobility

[tidal niche]

i wish i could share my screen but my animation is 3 times slower than that

are there diff types of power swords

[tall torrent]

mk VI

and mk III

use VI it's just better

[tropic halo]

Theres two marks

[tidal niche]

im using vi

[tropic halo]

But generally MK6 is the only one everyone use

[tidal niche]

i wish i could screen share

oooooo

[tidal niche]

i just did the charge block thingy

thats soo fast

[tropic halo]

[tidal niche]

its like half a sec

im guessing using the hold swing isnt as efficient

[tropic halo]

Just remember to not be so greedy when charging

[tall torrent]

u need to learn reading enemy atk animations

don't greed charge

[tropic halo]

You almost dont need to use heavy when in empowered unless for initial first charge hit

[tall torrent]

don't greed single target spam (vet stamina management will cost u dearly vs bosses)

[tropic halo]

3x stamina curios is the only way

(dont do it actually)

[tidal niche]

what other thing should i put on it other than power cycle

[tropic halo]

Sunder is the most reccomended i hear

[tall torrent]

BM or sunder

check pinned guide

[tidal niche]

is ranged cleave good

idk what it does

[tame lodge]

Weapon dependant

[silver patrol]

it's the cleave for ranged attacks

[somber axle]

shoot through enemies to hit more enemies but only if your cleave is higher than the hit mass of the thing you're hitting

not worth on most ranged weapons but a few can squeeze good value from it

Helbore with Hotshot blessing and Withering Fire can be a funny combo for cleaving through mixed hordes

Infantry Lasgun is not worth using the talent point on withering fire

Revolvers and Shotguns are good options

Plasma can use it too but after the recent update pushed the cleave of hip fire back to 18 or something it doesn't need it

Recon Mk VIc and XII shouldn't get Withering Fire but if you do want to use a Recon for cleave the Mk XIV can use it

[grand perch]

guess ill have to play like this until my iron sights mod isnt broken anymore

[olive halo]

the weapon customization one that lets you put custom sights?

or is there another iron sights mod

cuz I hate the sight on the ilg and opt to use the vigilant autoguns bcz of it

[grand perch]

there used to be a specific iron sights mod, but its for the old version of the weapon customization mod and doesnt work anyore

now its called extended weapon customization and the plugin mod that has more iron sights (syn edits its called) is not updated yet

[olive halo]

ah damn

I didn't like using extended weapon customization because of how buggy it was

and that it made all weapons default skin

[ancient nacelle]

is there a way to set it so at the lobby menu my character has ranged weapon equipped rather than melee?

[grand perch]

if youre on PC, theres a mod

[ancient nacelle]

why isnt it a vanilla thing

im in console

[unreal nova]

Because Fatshark.

Unless you rally the ENTIRE console playerbase to complain, expect nothing. And even if you did, expect little.

[ancient nacelle]

it aint even too big of a thing you can already switch in loadout screen you just gotta add a button/option 🥀

[tropic halo]

Just wait to load up in mission and see what they using in combat

[tawny badger]

is it bad that I kinda fw this

[narrow torrent]

Withering Fire feels pretty good on the Recon XII

[brave acorn]

Is there not an equivalent for [TAB] To Show Weapons available on console?

[void dragon]

you could put crosshair remap to put a chevron or T to see what exactly you are aiming, but this feels that you dont need it

[grand perch]

i does feel very doom like. or quake

[pseudo fiber]

The weapon customisation guy has been saying a lot on reddit

or I think it's him

apparently there's lots of weird modulation stuff being added in the background to darktide

and it's fucking him up

specifically on how characters are modulated

[void dragon]

are we getting new cosmetics for rock?

jokes aside, that seems like a pain to adjust

[midnight totem]

New ogryn rework

Rocks get additional nodes

Ogryns hock a lougie on the rock so it inflicts chem toxin to whatever it hits

[void dragon]

instead of rock we toss a barrel of chem tox (no one use it because its not rock, therefore inferior)

[languid stump]

I’m writing a school presentation about Darktide

[turbid ibex]

woaw

[surreal rune]

is weakspot dmg worth a try on the power sword

the weakspot talent on vet and the brutal momentum blessing too

[hollow ibex]

Not as a perk

The talent and brumentum are good

[void dragon]

hopium of the day: that this kind of device become a blitz when we get the AdMech class

[bold sierra]

or just servoskull turret lol

[void dragon]

for that i want Tarantuala Sentry as a full skill if we can have some as big as the SM2 Techmarines

[bold sierra]

there's definitely gonna have some form of mini sentry type deal with admech

[void dragon]

in any case i hope it has a mounted tendrill on its back that has a gun

[bold sierra]

tarantula sentry maybe a bit too high profile xD

I'm thinking of maybe just some...floating skull shooting las shots and what not

or sth like this dude

[turbid ibex]

sentry turret blitz would be neat

[void dragon]

that looks nice, yes

[narrow torrent]

Servo arm that auto melees enemies near you

[void dragon]

Im willing to believe they will have a page like the stims of Hscum that instead let them customize parts of them for extra dodges, better toughness or a mecha tendril arm with either a mele or a autogun

that would be quite dope for the theme of the cult that makes customizable bodies

[tidal niche]

is the standard las gun good

[tall torrent]

infantry lasgun?

mid tier

got buffed this patch but not enough

[pseudo fiber]

B tier

[narrow torrent]

Hellbore, laspistol, recon las are your best lasflavor options

[void dragon]

if you want a good Inf lasgun take the helbore mk5 with weight of fire

[tame lodge]

It has hype moments and aura

[bold sierra]

it's good, viable for H40, but somewhat high-maintenance.

I have been playing just inf lasgun on Vet so far in havoc since the patch, it serves well as an general quick anti-ranged that's more reactive than Helbore

I'd say to me, it's a lot less-demanding in terms of talent nodes than Recon las and Laspistol, you can forfeit stuff like +25% ammo, Shocktrooper and what not with Inf Lasgun.

[tidal niche]

ive been having a lot of fun with it

i never run out of ammo and it works well for killing stuff

not too good for heavy carapace stuff but everything else good

[bold sierra]

Yeah, but nothing a good anti-armor melee doesn't fix, given FS did reduce the amount of Crushers and such this patch during terror event, you don't need TOO MUCH anti-cara anymore

[hollow ibex]

kraks do a pretty good job of covering carapace

i still don't like ilas tho

[bold sierra]

If you play infantry lasgun, youre gonna have to play with it differently than Helbore.

Helbore's a bit more commited, while Inf Lasgun you can be more dynamic

[restive mountain]

Ngl it would be nice to get those full auto las carbines the scabs use

[lunar scroll]

How does the Torrent Lasgun fire faster than the rapid fire lasgun
Is that an error in naming or something?

[turbid ibex]

the words dont mean shit

they are just some arbitrary category the devs decide

[willow prairie]

some of them are funny like how hsword "strikedown" actually have decent cleave

[restive mountain]

Rapid fire is a broad and over encompassing term for automatic fire

Torrent is specifically something that fires really really fast

Case in point

A American grease gun

Vs

A German MG3

[tame lodge]

I think it's also like

Wargame stats

[turbid ibex]

yeah but in-game it means fuck all

again just some arbitrarily chosen categories

[hollow ibex]

i forgot those descriptors were in the agme

ngl

[turbid ibex]

agme

[hollow ibex]

mgae

[tame lodge]

But I do gotta say

That the weapons with Assault

Kinda follows the rules

Move and shoot

[restive mountain]

Got a golden idea for a 4the skill tree for vet

Blitz are proximity mines

Ult is a rotary GL

Entire tree is based around modification of explosives

[lunar scroll]

I never knew that definitionm of torrent
Good to know ig

[jagged fable]

whats good skills for a plasma gun

perks oops

like prolly carapace

and what else

[narrow frost]

no....

why are you shooting cara with plasma

it doesnt have good amds...

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide

[shrewd topaz]

How slow 60 charge compared to 70 on plasma

[shrewd topaz]

Gg literally unplayable

Guess 60 charge is better than 60 stopping because at this rate I'm never getting right rolls

[distant plaza]

dump thermal

[narrow frost]

no?

thermal isnt dumb

I mean

i guess if you dont wanna min max

[distant plaza]

losing 1 shot from zero heat (7 instead of 8) with a 60 thermal plasma over 69 or 80
versus losing a bit of snappiness when it comes to shots with a charge dump
or is this information outdated?

[narrow frost]

thermal is the dump for that reason yeah, but you can push it to 8 shots with 69 thermal and rest into charge

so 71 charge 69 thermal

[distant plaza]

yeah, but good luck gambling for that (or 70/70) roll 👀 🙏

[narrow frost]

only took me 2mil dockets

[distant plaza]

that's close to 200 rolls? such fun times

[shrewd topaz]

I thought 60 thermal couldn't do 2 shots from 80%

[hollow ibex]

took me 2.5m to get to 70/70

not even a perfect roll

[shrewd topaz]

70/70 looks better on stat screen therefore meta

[grand perch]

Good old @tired egret

[shrewd topaz]

Is serrated psword a thing or just illness

[surreal rune]

i cant ever think of a time where it would help someone more than other skills in its row for pathing

[hollow ibex]

does work, given that the row is kinda just picking the least shit choice

serrated + sunder is ok against mixed horde

esp maulers

[slow spade]

I just get Field Improv and lunge for the nearest placeable I can get

[royal condor]

hi guys, for powersword do i go slaughterer or rampage?

[tall torrent]

BM/sunder

check pinned guide

[royal condor]

im using it for horde clear on mobian21

oh wait we dont use power cycler anymore?

[tall torrent]

we do

BM/sunder for 2nd blessing

[royal condor]

sorry give me a moment im reading the guide 😅

i'll ask more questions after i read

ok so the blessing description on the guide is the corrrect explanation while the ones in game are the weird fatshark descriptions?

so sunder is all melee swings and not just heavy att

[shrewd topaz]

Yep

[grand perch]

but also you apply a lot of bleed stacks in one swing, and thats not nothing

[royal condor]

bro why would they write it like that 😭

[shrewd topaz]

Oh no image perms

Bleh

(1) Increases the damage of energized heavy melee attacks (see values below); stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs.

(2) By default, Carapace armor cannot be cleaved. This blessing allows all energized attacks to bypass Carapace's built-in aborts_attack mechanic so that Carapace armor can be cleaved.

(3) Reduces enemy hit mass by 75% against all energized attacks.

[tall torrent]

yes

just use either my guide or kuli's for tooltips for blessings and talents

in game tooltip is ass

[shrewd topaz]

Dumbest ingame vs guide difference I've seen so far is plasma gun

[royal condor]

omfg i have been nerfing myself this entire time thinking the +strength stuff is better cuz i thought it would increase my cleave

[tall torrent]

well

it does

and frankly slaughterer is quite good

it's technically the best mixed horde dps for power sword

since most of veteran's talents are +dmg and slaughterer is a huge 40% strength

with that said

BM gets kills much quicker

[royal condor]

used rampage 😔

[tall torrent]

and sunder is frankly busted op vs mixed horde

[shrewd topaz]

Is there anything dumber than gets hot description

[tall torrent]

I mean

power cycler does technically have a much longer explanation

than what it says in game

(I had to test that out)

[royal condor]

so now i'm leaning towards sunder. cuz i'm thinking its good for the mobians while the +20% is for cusher/armored guys

[tall torrent]

u don't need to heavy atk crusher

it's just push atk + L4

[shrewd topaz]

Yeah but

Its not +10% crit rate damage ingame vs +50% in guide

🥹

[tall torrent]

could be worse

could be heatsink on falchion/RB

that one is actual bait tier blessing

[royal condor]

yeah im using the special>pustatt>L>L combo for those guys
im just thinking the extra 20% would help me if i forget to stack my skirmisher

[blazing jetty]

wish the infantry lasgun had access to surgical blessing

[tall torrent]

it helps but not by that much

u shud just SP>L>L>L if u don't want to spend stamina

SP>H1 is a good combo starter for getting more dmg on cleave

but not required

[safe jacinth]

When the 8% Heat Res Plasma Vet and 0% Warp Res Psyker right click at the same time

[livid sphinx]

Do you guys ever use the bash on the bolter?

[amber cliff]

Sometimes to push a burster back so I don’t have to change weapons

Or basically just to interrupt a walker if it makes sense

[livid sphinx]

Oh okay. I didnt know it can push a walker back

[amber cliff]

Honestly it feels like it uses a stab animation for no reason. Like a variant of the Bolter has a knife on the end

[agile mortar]

So that'ssss why the Weapon Customization Mod lets you give Bolters Ripper Bayonets

[thorn lark]

Yes. @tall torrent does the bash proce pinning?

[tame lodge]

Optimized Cooling

Like

Look it up

I'm not joking

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[tall torrent]

ye

[pseudo fiber]

Doesn't the bolter bash have like the wrong profile

[tall torrent]

not wrong

[pseudo fiber]

Damn I swear something had the wrong bash

[shrewd topaz]

I guess that counts

💀

[cunning haven]

i wish i could put a bayonet on my recon lasgun (and a power pack too)

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/41w4McI3Olg

he probably means he deserted over a disagreement with his CO, right?

[amber cliff]

I read that as he fucked his officers

[grand perch]

a possibility i wouldnt rule out

[twilit lotus]

Could’ve done that before deserting

[upper geode]

hmm, it eat 90% of my stamina last time I checked it

[tepid otter]

sounds like he just straight up killed him

[surreal rune]

i think this is the mark with the defense stat

plus he is using a stam curio

[tame lodge]

You're not timing it right

Parrying just a little before getting hit makes it so it only consumes 2 stamina

[upper geode]

So it has perfect parry and regular parry, huh

[tame lodge]

It's a 0.3s window iirc

It's pretty forgiving

[steep flower]

Nah Dclaw parries are better

In terms of timing windows & spamability

[tame lodge]

They killed dclaw way before that anyways

🗣️

[dusk osprey]

i hit a pox buster with one of those nukes in my first exp and got literally 5 penances 😤😤😤

[surreal sentinel]

Anyone got a good berserk veteran build?

[toxic reef]

I don't know what berserker means here, but sounds like some WS build

maybe a DB shovel one that does a lot of dmg

it's the slayer build in the pinned guide

[gentle lake]

Im seeing son is being replaced with folk

[tame lodge]

Both are good

[marsh condor]

Y'know what'd be funny?

[tame lodge]

A lot of things actually

[marsh condor]

What about giving the Veterans a two-handed melee weapon?

[pseudo fiber]

What one

[tame lodge]

It's possible

Might sin a little when it comes to attack speed

Which means weapon specialist 24/7

[marsh condor]

An Inquisitorial Agent, specifically a Death World Veteran wielding a polearm.

[sly orchid]

we have that head augment on hive scum

[marsh condor]

Now we need the pointy stick.

[pseudo fiber]

We do
Bald ass mf

[sly orchid]

inb4 hive scum gets this entire set and polearm

[pseudo fiber]

Implying a dlc class will get more cosmetics

[marsh condor]

I'm still hoping for more melee weapons, especially hybrid ones like the Grenadier Gauntlet.

Closest thing to that on the human side of weapons are the Veteran's Helbore Lasguns.

[marsh condor]

Still sucks.

Imagine if, for some reason, we get Power Spears/Halberds.

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/rocco-pole-dance-gif-25839444

[midnight totem]

Reading forums makes me sad

Bastards trying to nerf my krak grenades

[dry cloak]

how?

and why?

[midnight totem]

Because they're sad it instantly kills crushers

And vet gets a lot of them

[floral hearth]

some people just hate fun

[lone escarp]

The problem continues to be crushers, they really do have the strongest impact on the overall game balance

[grand perch]

buffed crushers + rotten armour modifier made me finally quit havoc

even if you're successful, adds 30 mins to the run. no thanks

[analog folio]

I love having cc immune crushers with double hp

Yum...

So fun

Honestly, what if they remade crushers to have breakable armour?

So instead of dealing with the enemy that puts you in the cuck chair if you don't have some sort of way to deal with armor you have some way to make them an easier target

[bold sierra]

H40 Infantry Lasgun + Exec Stance, it's peak

[floral hearth]

brittleness is all we're gonna get

[bold sierra]

crushers did noticeably get reduced spawn rate this patch, for Rotten Armor as well, so atm I'm kinda cool with it

[analog folio]

Yeah...

I don't think I've ever had brittleness be useful on a weapon that deals next to zero damage vs carapace tho

You're kinda just boned

[bold sierra]

brittleness alone isnt crazy, but with serrated blade, it's amazing

bleed in general

[analog folio]

And the more stacks you can get the better it gets

But yeah, the day they rebalance crushers to have breakable armour is the day I can die happy (it's never happening and I will forever be miserable)

[languid stump]

This fanbase is a prison

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/fart-wrestling-elijah-burke-cropdust-smell-gif-2026454470488546057

[void dragon]

I Have been testing the withering fire with the XIV recon lasgun and im not believeing at all that is more effective than the VIc recon, the ttk on swarms is around 4seconds WORSE and it eating twice the ammo doesnt help at all

[thorn lark]

withering fire

that's the cleave talent?

[void dragon]

yep

[thorn lark]

i think it made the VIc even better

[void dragon]

that one i feel has better crit chains on top of costing one ammo per shot

so its WAY better ammo effective

[analog folio]

I don't bother watching content about this game and thank you for reminding me why I should never do it in the first place

[void dragon]

nah, the cleave on it isnt any better, the ttk on bruisers or walkers doesnt feel any better

[dry cloak]

death by tanka łatanka to him

[void dragon]

what in the name of papa nurgle is this degree of heresy?

[bold sierra]

the most noticeable one is for Agripana Inf Autogun, with deathspitter

[thorn lark]

damn

[void dragon]

i dont see much value on the blessing so far, but probably other harder hitting guns could make use of it

maybe plasma now that its cleave is just a measly 18

[turbid ibex]

"measly"

[void dragon]

yeah, poor gun, nefed from having near infinite

how would it perform now

(to suprise to no one, its still busted)

but i dont see myself using withering fire on it

[tame lodge]

"measly"

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[void dragon]

jokes over, iLas already beated you to it

[tame lodge]

Funny joke
Me like it

[weak hamlet]

Should I dump cleave or mobility on the power sword and power falchion ? I already don't like how insanely slow they make you

[narrow torrent]

Just run the cleave talent with the mark 12

Also when are they nerfing flame staff cleave to 18

[void dragon]

Nope, no real or valuable improvement in killing bruisers dont believe its worth taking

[void dragon]

also

[narrow torrent]

Helps with horde clear efficiency and pokes through gunners and scrawnier specialists

100% range, 0% melee lets goooo

[steep flower]

Ah this pepega who told me to put my hands into a woodchipper on stream + homo calling

[languid stump]

Bruh what

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/he-what-you-what-spongebob-gif-13020520726510497242

Heresy

[weak hamlet]

Also, with the shock mauls, how does the "electrocuted" effect appear ? Is it only on special or does it work on normal attacks also ?

[bold sierra]

legit? wow

[hollow ibex]

Only on special

[steep flower]

I kid you not; he did it while streaming on twitch
@candid harness remember that funny day?

[bold sierra]

I always found telepots to be iffy but damn...

[steep flower]

Sadly legit; boi is a certified cornball

[dry cloak]

He sounds like legit redditor type

[tame lodge]

Cleave Targets on power sword
The falchion itself on power falchion (mobility)

[bold sierra]

I like to dump power management on power falchion and put Overload on, it cooldowns very fast.

Serrated blade does most of the dmg anyway

[steep flower]

I did not knew it was even him; @candid harness recognized his vet name (goonstick?) after he left the game with his buddy
I was curious & found his twitch & found the moment;
Upon releasing 2nd smite he said ‚Fuck this’ and went immediately to options & voted for kicking me out of the mission
When that failed and the message ‚vote did not passed’ popped on his screen he went to options again & left the match

Mind you; that was just auric before havoc was ever introduced!

[void dragon]

was auric before even harder?

[steep flower]

He called me a ‚Homosmiker’; i’m proud of that title

[steep flower]

Nah

[void dragon]

actual worm gaming would have more spine than that

[steep flower]

And also said i should put my hands into a woodchipper

[bold sierra]

I love Agripana Inf Autogun (with deathspitter) on Zealot with Against the Odds, the one that stacks 50% max cleave on you. You're able to cleave through 21st moebian and Bruisers, it can be really good. Having a flat 50% on your guns without relying on being near enemies sounds like great value for certain guns honestly.

the orange vig autogun also has insane cleave, might be even better with it too

[bold sierra]

jesus christ lol

that's whack

[steep flower]

@candid harness lost his faith in him ever since; me 2 (i saw his builds; they could be better - classic washed darktidetoober cause he left for a couple of months just like Tin boi & now he came back cause HS)

[bold sierra]

bro has enabling friends xD

[dry cloak]

Tin boy?

[steep flower]

Tanny boi

[bold sierra]

I watched 1-2 of his vids...my god, like I know DT has issues but DAMN they're just bitching almost 24/7

[steep flower]

The one who shall not be named

[dry cloak]

Now

Better

Thx

[bold sierra]

i never even know about this Tanner dude

only one I watch is Reginald tbh

[dry cloak]

@steep flower now lets talk how the racist femboy saved ogryn

Reginalds not perfect. But he atleast has reasoning behind hes builds

[steep flower]

He can’t even save himself bless that man

[thorn lark]

@void dragon hear me out, hb 4 with longshot and withering fire

[dry cloak]

[void dragon]

i have found good success with the 3shot vigilant, would have to try with the infantry autogun but the vigilant is too much of a hunting rifle to shoot shaff to make htat perk relevant imo

[steep flower]

Poor reasoning in some cases; he has lots to learn in build making/weapon building

Despite the fact he was the one who hooked me on chain weapons

[dry cloak]

At least he is not stating x thing is the best in the world

At least as far as i remember

[steep flower]

I noticed different sounds of them; they are soo cool

[void dragon]

he usually encourages the use of suboptimal stuff but always say "this isnt meta by any chance"

[bold sierra]

I'm good at the game enough to have my own opinions, but I appreciate Reginald to not be all "this shit sucks doo doo shit, never use it" without considering all the facts.

[steep flower]

He did that recently; before so i do not recall

[dry cloak]

I always done my own builds

[steep flower]

I consider all options but will state obvious truth when smth sucks massive cock

[thorn lark]

Reginald is mechanically good methinks

he knows how to play

He

is not on the level of Path or some here for craft building

[steep flower]

Definitely; just his build making is questionable

[dry cloak]

Pfalchion sucks. Wont stop me from using it

[thorn lark]

ryken is a better craftbuilder

[steep flower]

Best part is; i don’t think it does

[thorn lark]

even though I am not really a fan on his builds

[steep flower]

Nah; saw his stuff; i cringed

[thorn lark]

but he's looking for synergies

[void dragon]

Pfalchion is inferior to many weapons that need less management for the same result

aka. its niche is already taken by a better option

[dry cloak]

[bold sierra]

I honestly don't think there's anything that "sucks massive cock" in this game, I have played just about EVERYTHING in H40, and so far I think they all have their place, if built correctly and played right

[dry cloak]

Shock maul is arguably better than pfalch

[steep flower]

Use achlyss combat axe

[dry cloak]

Deil claws

[void dragon]

shield go brrrrr

[bold sierra]

I have actually lol, albeit, on Zealot

[bold sierra]

that too, I have

[dry cloak]

The normal shock maul

[tawny badger]

Is the autopistol still ass

[dry cloak]

That everyone had

[dry cloak]

No

Shoot heads

[steep flower]

Thrust on it… is interresting cause the heavy swipe starts building stacks immediately unlike the overheads

[dry cloak]

And youre good

[candid harness]

@steep flower Asked me to regale you the tale of telopots ingrate rage; He seems to really dislike smikers cause when papa and I joined this random game and matched with him and one of his buttbuddies, the MOMENT papa started smiting that mf called for votekick and when it FAILED he ragequit with his little servant

[bold sierra]

Achlyss Caxe with Thrust and BM can cut through like 7-8 21st moebians on H40, which is A LOT of cleave lol

[void dragon]

yes, special into void shields do funny sounds and burn it kinda fast

[bold sierra]

its basic overhead attacks are solid too

[candid harness]

And of course called him some colorful words ON STREAM and blocked him

All of it caught in 4k if his trailerpark ahh internet can stream such a resolution

[bold sierra]

I usually use Devil Claw with like Bolter and Helbore, they fill into the gaps for those weapons very nicely. I usually built dclaw almost fully defensively xD, against Maniacs mostly

it works very well

[steep flower]

They are sadly very ‚sticky’; rashad can combo nicely but when you use achlyss or antax you notice heavy chains are slower

I dunno why

[thorn lark]

Sounds like homo on homo violence

[dry cloak]

I know im a fan

[candid harness]

He actually called papa "homo smiker"

It was turbokek, what a manchild

[void dragon]

i personally like Hsword more, cleaving swarms with it is quite easy and can chop a rager head with a overhead

[steep flower]

Sadly that stream is deleted but i remember everything
I should rename my smiker to ‚Homosmyker; Telopots misery incarnate’

[void dragon]

Dclaw feels it needs more crit to work

[dry cloak]

According to the thumbnail he weight 500kg and shits hinself

[thorn lark]

He's in Switzerland. Probably living off some gold acquired 90 years ago.

[void dragon]

are we sure he isnt nurgle?

[dry cloak]

Dclaw need proper blessing pool mate

[dry cloak]

Nah

[steep flower]

OI; don’t shame me - i might get hurt!

[void dragon]

that too

[steep flower]

[candid harness]

Most likely lmao

[bold sierra]

you dont need to if you're mostly using it as an ohshit defensive tool for when you're stuck in a meatball with ragers.

Oh and it can tank Bosses, that's gigachad shit.

[thorn lark]

Either that or taxe / shovel. Very good low investment weapons.

[bold sierra]

I love Heavy Sword, but it's different

[bold sierra]

taxe and shovel special are great but you can't tank 10+ ragers with them tho, but great nonetheless

[void dragon]

have used chain axes, taxe, Hsword, hell even a shovel

but i guess i can give Dclaw a chance again

i just love how clean Hsword performs

[bold sierra]

the Blue Chainaxe is honestly GOATED on vet, ppl should use it more. Blue Chainaxe's push attack can stagger Crushers out of their animation EASILY, and well...being a chain weapon, shreds LT/Capt shield. You do have to play Weapon Specialist with it tho.

And I love using green folding shovel on Vet.

[void dragon]

mk12 chaxe can stagger RAGERS out of their combos

[thorn lark]

I can tank 10 ragers with a taxe tho.

[bold sierra]

yes

[thorn lark]

But dclaw would do a better job

[bold sierra]

it can, but one wrong move and ur deado xD

[void dragon]

im biased because I main ogryn and i hate how folding shovels work in it, but could give the vet ones a try, what gun would work better for it?

[bold sierra]

they stagger you to kingdom come, unless u have exec stance ofc

[flint iris]

ive said it a thousand times that much of devil claw would be fixed if it was given knifes blessings

[void dragon]

tank them, bully them, slap em AND kill em

[thorn lark]

My experience with shovel. More than 3 ragers and I am like fuck it let's db those mf

[flint iris]

but there needs to be a blessing rework also so Shrug

[thorn lark]

Exec melee is so nice

[flint iris]

im really kinda lost at this point on how much of darktides audience is just completely fine with a completely useless / broken weapon crafting system and just demand more weapons that will too have the same issues as every other weapon in the game

[bold sierra]

green shovel can already 2-shot Crushers with Thrust and the rending thing, you can easily control groups of Crushers with it cuz the folding special is so swift with high stagger and fast, unlike the blue one.

You can honestly take about any gun with it tbh.

[tame lodge]

I'm sure as hell not fine with it

[void dragon]

I said before that if Obesefish could balance our current weapons to WORK we would have a very nice weapon pool, even on ogryn

[thorn lark]

Yes. Please buff DS5.

[void dragon]

but they cant, because they bad at balancing their game that they clearly dont play

[flint iris]

there needs to be a world where you can take any two perks, and any two blessings and come away with different expierences of thsoe weapons. That 1 weapon now has technically 10-15 different expierences in it alone then

Then you dont have to work so hard pushing out new weapons that will get old within a week

[void dragon]

hush you, they might hear you and do it for real

[bold sierra]

wym by "work" tho? Cuz a lot of them work fine to me.

Hell, I play H40 today with Infantry Lasgun and got higher total dmg than Hive Scum and Shriek flamestaff psyker. I legit think Infantry lasgun is in a pretty good spot (could still use a small buff perhaps?), despite ppl saying it's not.

[tame lodge]

Same weapon that with enough of them can kill space marines needs a flak buff

💀

[bold sierra]

the game i'm talking about

that said, i was playing vs Dregs, it was AMAZING against them

but I do see against Scabs, it could be a bit better, but it honestly aint the end of the world.

[void dragon]

"Work" for me is that the weapon have a niche that makes you think "THIS is the weapon for the job"
inf lasgun currently work imo because it has good long range performance while being more mobile with the stamina buffs, THAT is an interesting niche the Helbore cant take because its handling and stamina sprint cost

but i feel the inf lasgun could use a small buff still

[steep flower]

Or use SC cause its better overall

[bold sierra]

what's SC?

[steep flower]

Skullcrusher

[void dragon]

shovel with Scrusher + uncanny feels genuinely like a wepaon to surpas Metal gear

[bold sierra]

yeah it can be, but Thrust does enable me to reliably one-shot Ragers and Mutants, not to mention Skullcrusher doesn't get that 2-hit kill from the folding special too reliably, especially when you have to deal with more than one Crusher. If it's only against 1 of them, then yes.

[tame lodge]

But first
It has to surpass mid tier

Oh hey

It rhymes

[bold sierra]

Skullcrusher is pretty good for Serrated Blade vs horde tho, I'll admit that, but given they die fairly fast from bleed anyway, it's not needed

[void dragon]

such a poet soul yours

[bold sierra]

the only thing that makes it sorta mid-tier for me is how the folding special works, i'd LOVE IT if the fold mode resets when you switch weapons

made me fuck up a lot, but other than that, it's solid

[steep flower]

No uncanny; just Deci + SC on mk3

Best

[flint iris]

Just made this up in a fit of rage