Plus with the talent set up I ran I could get to a 1 tap on Crushers with a combat stim whenever I found one on a map
#veteran-class
willow prairie
@tall torrent competitive urge worth it?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> competitive urge worth it?
short answer: no
long answer: fuck no
willow prairie
lore reason?
grim meadow
Looking for chill friends to play with while I work on builds
slow spade
Because teammates can't kill for shit and 2.5% chance lmao
(Also it never procs when you actually need it)
willow prairie
assuming h40
tall torrent
lore reason?
so first off u need to know that DT uses pseudo RNG, but it's really weird because it truncates chance percentages which stretches out the probability curve significantly towards lows
willow prairie
since it refresh during activate and last for 8 sec
tall torrent
since it refresh during activate and last for 8 sec
lemme put it into perspective how DT's pseudo RNG works
comp urge is 2.5% chance
"on average" it should work once ~40 teammates' kills
however in the PRD model used by the game, there's only ~50% chance this works once across ~40 teammates' kills
it's theoretically possible to go 1.6k+ teammates' kills before u get a comp urge proc
narrow frost
Consistent damage > gamba
willow prairie
99% of people quit before they win big
tall torrent
it's not that the gambling sucks
willow prairie
it's theoretically possible to go 1.6k+ teammates' kills before u get a comp urg...
this shit so as
tall torrent
it's that, first off, the effect is good but not "that good"
hybrid plover
There's also a really major flaw with comp urge.
tall torrent
20% global dmg is good
20% melee stagger is really case dependent and usually doesn't change stagger breakpoints
and 20% suppression we don't care about
and secondly
the RNG is not in ur control
hybrid plover
It's a completely dead talent if you're out of coherency.
Meaning, if you happen to be the last one alive, it's just completely dead.
tall torrent
It's a completely dead talent if you're out of coherency.
Meaning, if you happe...
no actually
willow prairie
i was wondering since thge +20% base damage is kinda huge
tall torrent
comp urge doesn't check coherency
willow prairie
comp is any ally
hybrid plover
It doesn't?
tall torrent
someone can kill a groaner 125m+ away from u and u randomly get a proc
hybrid plover
But that doesn't change the other part.
tall torrent
the buff itself is good but not "so good that it's huge"
hybrid plover
Which is that it's just dead if you're the only one alive.
tall torrent
and the RNG is horrible
I actually think
if u wanted comp urge
do urself a favor
and run marksman instead
if ur gonna run a high dmg less uptime talent might as well get smth u actually have control over & know when it's active
slow spade
Also comp urge procs generally happen during hordes and not boss or patrols where you need the buff the most
tall torrent
comp urge could be ok if it was 5% chance and lasted much longer
orchid hemlock
Did they buff recon? 😈
orchid hemlock
Fatshark fears what they do not understand
serene bough
It was mostly just Hive Scum spamming rockets tho
Thats true
Screen clearing a wall of ogryns is a dopamine hit
somber axle
I got Hive Scum during the event and it was so goofy
Infinite ammo pickpocket spray and pray everything, then your blitz refreshing when you wipe Crusher walls so you can just use it again on the next wave too
slow spade
The worst were the burster waves as people INSISTED on pushing them
But it's like 10 bursters lol
tame lodge
-Brick, where did you get that rocket propelled grenade
-I don't know
slow spade
VoC can't stop more than 1 burster explosion lol
hollow ibex
But it's like 10 bursters lol
somber axle
People sprinting at a burster wall to try pushing them and then dying instantly from full HP
It was such a funny event LMFAO
slow spade
"erm you always push bursters lmao" -> gets hit because they only pushed 2-3 of them
somber axle
I remember running all max HP curios with HP perks and corruption resist on my Arbites purposely to run at them while Castigator's was up and slap them to see how far they'd throw me
I could get away with however many popped in my face and then do it again just for fun
It was funny how much Arbites just doesn't care about poxbursters
unreal nova
It was funny how much Arbites just doesn't care about poxbursters
I mean, why would you with 80% DR?
Ehm, 70% now.
somber axle
That and Arbites has a crazy high HP pool too and stacking HP curios/corruption resist made it feel like the poxbursters only ever tickled LOL
Not as much as Ogryn but like Castigator's
200 HP base still goes far especially with all the funny HP curios
fair shale
Yeah, I'm not sure if that makes you flat out immune to bursters
somber axle
No but they don't really hurt
Rumbling Giants had a lot of funny things to play with while it was going but I imagine the average Zealot had an awful time
fair shale
Ik Casti+Tree pox resist+1 resist curio blessing made you immune which was funny
somber axle
Arby was funny for infinite shock mines so it never mattered how many Crushers/Bulwarks spawned you were just going to lock them down so the Vet/Scum could clean up
slow sky
Rumbling Giants had a lot of funny things to play with while it was going but I ...
Not a fatmangus zealot
Yummy bursters
somber axle
Tasty
ancient path
man do i love the no mans land map
however i do not like that this game just constantly crashes now
idk why
aint got no mods
maybe ill just clean reinstall
quasi swallow
however i do not like that this game just constantly crashes now
do you have amd?
ancient path
do you have amd?
intel
quasi swallow
damn
ancient path
i7-14700f
serene bough
I am lucky that I had not experienced any crashes
brittle herald
How do I make veteran more fun?
He was my favorite character when I started playing the game but now he’s just kinda
Not fun anymore
I’ve tried a few different builds but none have given me the same enjoyment as other characters
distant plaza
How do I make veteran more fun?
Have you given this a try?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun
brittle herald
No I think other than arby I haven’t touched a shotgun in this game
I will give it a try thank you
iron parcel
Have you given this a try?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f2...
i noticed you don't have infiltrate equipped was this a misclick?
unrelated but do you have a version of this build that can use infiltrate
my friend is glued to dueling sword infiltrate BAG rightnow for some reason and i want whats best for him
not me fr
someone else that isn't me
i don't know why they like stealth so much aside from it being clutch for rez
distant plaza
unrelated but do you have a version of this build that can use infiltrate
There’s an infiltrate build in the pinned guide
brittle herald
Does anyone else not like the dueling sword? Even with proper blessings it just feels like I’m swinging nothing
brittle herald
No oomph
distant plaza
DS doesnt have very rock n roll horde clear
So I haven’t used it since getting its mastery to 20
tame lodge
Does anyone else not like the dueling sword? Even with proper blessings it just ...
DS is disliked by many
iron parcel
popping heads on ragers and shit is satisfying but it kinda has the most fuckass horde
spice osprey
Have you given this a try?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f2...
truth nuke
iron parcel
and you can do the former with other stuff
tame lodge
Still strong though
spice osprey
plasgun is so BOOOOOORING!!!!!
iron parcel
the poke IS satisfying to me though
unrelated but wtf they added a double barrel
ive been gone way too long
turbid ibex
that was a recent thing
narrow torrent
Reject plasgun, embrace spray and pray reconlas
iron parcel
nvm
turbid ibex
DS didnt even have a parry for a long time
it was in bound by duty that they gave it to dueling sword iirc
tame lodge
didnt it used to have a special <:hmmgryn:1022192304154484767>
Top tier quick stagger
Rip little poke that could stagger Crushers
You will be missed
tame lodge
And mutants
turbid ibex
mf youre on the darktide server
tame lodge
mf youre on the darktide server
Yeah
turbid ibex
we all have some kind of problem
iron parcel
you can parry anything right
iron parcel
aside from bullets
tame lodge
Yeah
iron parcel
and explosions?
turbid ibex
or grabs
iron parcel
so crusher overhead begone...
iron parcel
im guessing you kinda gotta run plasma or smth to pair with DS? or does other shit have comparable horde
turbid ibex
im going to be honest i dont think dueling sword is that good on vet
prob the worst class to use it on
iron parcel
my buddy just likes it :(
iron parcel
gg
He was like "oh the power sword doesn't feel that good" and i went "you really need power cycler for it to feel good on the special" and he went "special?"
turbid ibex
lmao
iron parcel
he was beating people with a blunt piece of metal for a whole mission and didn't clock the fact that his power sword hadn't exhibited anything related to its name :(
either way assuming we're just doing auric/maelstroms and not any havoc shit for now, what would be premier hordeclear ranged that i could suggest if someone were to hypothetically be playing veteran and using an unnamed weapon that has bad horde?
tame lodge
im guessing you kinda gotta run plasma or smth to pair with DS? or does other sh...
You need something for hordes
Double Barrel with Manstopper is top tier mixed hordes muncher
dreamy spade
Lmao, 30 minutes into havoc game after clutching... mission aborted
turbid ibex
what about bolter 4
tame lodge
Grenade spam with Bolt Pistol lethal proximity
pseudo fiber
bolter numba 5
dry galleon
How do I make veteran more fun?
Shotgun and weapon specialist
tame lodge
bolter numba 5
boreal zenith
what is a reason to use the mk3 boltgun?
less dmg, less ammo. what is it better at?
tall torrent
what is a reason to use the mk3 boltgun?
AOE mixed horde
And better firing controls
Breakpoints are largely similar between the 2 boltgun variants
boreal zenith
ok
boreal zenith
am i correct in thinking that ranged weapons have different base run speeds?
tall torrent
They do
turbid ibex
every weapon has different run speeds
boreal zenith
what are the fastest?
turbid ibex
pistols are generally the fastest
tall torrent
I have sprint bonus listed
boreal zenith
bro the pinned guide is like 5000 pages and i can never find the info im looking for
turbid ibex
bro the pinned guide is like 5000 pages and i can never find the info im looking...
control+f
:3
tall torrent
bro the pinned guide is like 5000 pages and i can never find the info im looking...
Navigation panel exists
boreal zenith
yea i wouldnt even know what section this info would be under
i just spent a minute typing in different search terms with no luck at all
turbid ibex
yea i wouldnt even know what section this info would be under
section of each weapon
just search "sprint speed" or something lol
tall torrent
yea i wouldnt even know what section this info would be under
It’s there in each weapon’s section
fervent hemlock
is the backstab shooting and raking fire on the infantry autogun worth taking?
void dragon
is withering fire worth using on any of the recon lasguns?
tame lodge
XIV with 3 cleave base
void dragon
XIV with 3 cleave base
dont think i have that mk made, cleave is its stand out trait?
or has something else good running for it
tame lodge
dont think i have that mk made, cleave is its stand out trait?
Shoots slower
More cleave
narrow torrent
is withering fire worth using on any of the recon lasguns?
Depends on how much you value being able to cleave through an extra chaff and various scrawny specials/gunners
void dragon
Depends on how much you value being able to cleave through an extra chaff and va...
probably not THAT much, still prying my head to figure a support build for the class that feel that im not scamming my team
the cleave has proven somewhat useful to kill that annoying trapper in the middle of a swarm of walkers
but not sure how good is that
narrow torrent
I mean, shout and kraks are the best support 
Reconlas means you’re giving your team most of the ammo, the cleave can technically save even more ammo since you need less shots to wipe a horde theoretically
void dragon
but the gun itself cost more ammo per shot so am i really saving ammo?
void dragon
yeah im questioning that one after a use, absolutely eats more ammo in spite of cutting swarms with more ease
narrow torrent
Yea, I like not eating the ammo because I like shooting everything that twitches
lunar maple
I use the inf las gun with the max ammo and the node that gives you 20 percent more ammo
So I have like over a thousand ammo
lunar maple
So I don’t have to worry about ammo
I can let others with ammo hungry weapons use ammo pickups
narrow torrent
Does finesse effect reconlas at all?
void dragon
Does finesse effect reconlas at all?
it has some? but i dont think its something you need to boost
narrow torrent
It’s really funny that just hipfiring into zombies will get you 15 stacks of Marksman’s Focus, I just don’t know if that does anything
void dragon
not that worth imo, better to have other keystones imo
inf lasguns probably care more for it tho
narrow torrent
Checked the guide and they have a .75 finesse modifier
void dragon
that sounds small(?)
narrow torrent
Yeah, oh thought it effected critical chance too but it doesn’t. Rip. So no point for reconlas
hollow ibex
Checked the guide and they have a .75 finesse modifier
it's on the llower end
but honestly still higher than i thought it was
thought it was .3 or some shit lmao
and then there's fucking brauto
💀
like bro
why does this thing have the same finesse as the fucking flamer
warm summit
Hey can I ask what curios you guys normally run for veteran specifically?
narrow torrent
but honestly still higher than i thought it was
Think it’s worth running Marksman’s Focus with that modifier?
hollow ibex
Hey can I ask what curios you guys normally run for veteran specifically?
at least 1 hp, then a mix of hp/stam/tough depending on gamemode/preference
narrow torrent
https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-fake-laugh-...
Yea didn’t think so, thought maybe the rending and reload speed might be neat too but I can just nab those in different nodes
void dragon
why does this thing have the same finesse as the fucking *flamer*
because otherwise it would make the inf lasgun shining buffs irrelevant
narrow torrent
I love the cleave talent with the mk12 recon las. It feels so good 
midnight totem
Picking my chainsword back up for a melee vet build
Im finding its surprisingly adept versus everything
Might just because Im running shred, and it procs that damage increase by 20 percent if melee crit node for ridiculous uptime
hollow ibex
Im finding its surprisingly adept versus everything
you didn't run into any crushers perchance?
unreal nova
Hey can I ask what curios you guys normally run for veteran specifically?
1 stam/1 toughness/1 hp, 1 stam/2 toughness (this is risky, but viable on aurics and below.) or 2 toughness/1 hp.
midnight totem
you didn't run into any crushers perchance?
Kraks
Damage and crit boosted revs also killed them pretty fast, imho
tame lodge
You should wait
toxic reef
ye level matters for all things shop
gloomy pawn
what would be the best gun to do this killshot ready penance? infantry lasgun?
tame lodge
Power Sword 6
gloomy pawn
wait it counts on melee kills?
tame lodge
wait it counts on melee kills?
kill x amount of enemies under y stacks of mmf
So yeah as long as you have the y stacks of mmf it'll count
But if you still want to shoot hordes for some reason
Recon XIV
Helbore V
Bolter
IAG Agri 1
Scattershot Manstopper Zarona Shotgun
Spam special shot at head level
narrow torrent
Reconlas mk12, just hipfire into a big horde and you’ll max stacks and get a bunch of headshot kills
spare cedar
what would be the best gun to do this killshot ready penance? infantry lasgun?
I farmed this penance with the combat shotgun at the start of mercantile where it spawns endless waves
hollow ibex
Kraks
Damage and crit boosted revs also killed them pretty fast, imho
Well kraks would do it. Revs are also pretty bad against carapace
midnight totem
Well, it won't handle havoc hordes of rotten armor
But the occasional handful, its more then sufficient
Now, if some of the weaker crit blessings got a little something
Crucial Roulette and Devastating Blow for example
plain osprey
Not the biggest fan of the chainswords. Always found the movement with it kinda awkward
boreal zenith
how do u slide sideways or backwards?
plain osprey
Dodge button -> direction plus crouch
hollow ibex
Not the biggest fan of the chainswords. Always found the movement with it kinda ...
i mean they're purely a weapon for horde clear
if there's anything slightly girthier in the horde
its effectiveness drops off very very quickly
plain jungle
I havent played Vet in a while. Did they buff shout revive?👀
jovial yarrow
Kinda. Shout cdr got nerfed overall. Shout revive got the reduced radius and the increased cdr removed
tame lodge
Anyways it's not a detriment to pick it nowadays
So go forth
Yell at them to get up
GET THE FUCK UP 🗣️
plain jungle
Im doing havocs. And its really tempting. But not sure what to sacrifice. It's either conditional reload speed or extra grenade (and grenades are essential against rotten armor)
tame lodge
You see that's the problem
spare cedar
I don't think I would pick it into rotten armor
tame lodge
Vet never has remaining points
spare cedar
straight to the graveyard
tame lodge
For fun stuff
narrow torrent
Vet never has remaining points
Just don’t take a keystone smh
Shocktrooper gang 💪
tame lodge
Just don’t take a keystone smh
narrow torrent
Tempted to take Covering Fire with how much I end up spraying enemies near teammates because they don’t notice the dudes poking them in the ass
plain jungle
Vet never has remaining points
I made up my mind. The reload speed increase if there is ammo in magazine is not really worth it with bolt pistol. might be more useful with larger magazines, but 8 shots run out before you know it
warm summit
Tempted to take Covering Fire with how much I end up spraying enemies near teamm...
thats why i run it personally
narrow torrent
I made up my mind. The reload speed increase if there is ammo in magazine is not...
I love that talent with reconlas
elder garden
vet needs a melta hell id even take a hotshot lasgun
half parrot
Hii! What are the blessings/perks/dumpstat/mark for heavy laspistol?
plain jungle
bleed for sure
i use dmg to staggered as second
for blessings that is. if u mean bolt pistol
dry cloak
vet needs a melta hell id even take a hotshot lasgun
Theres enough weapons that lack marks. Or weapons that can be added easier than melta
half parrot
for blessings that is. if u mean bolt pistol
I'm currently asking for heavy laspistol recommendations
plain jungle
ah, my bad
hollow ibex
Hii! What are the blessings/perks/dumpstat/mark for heavy laspistol?
mk ii is the good one
maniac/unyielding + dumdum + ghost/infernus
pinned guide has more info
half parrot
mk ii is the good one
ohh sweet, thanks!!
jovial yarrow
If the goal of rising heat and get hot is to edge the plasma gun around 80-90 heat why do I want 69 thermal resistance just to get me one more shot from 0-100
turbid ibex
because its an extra shot before you need to wait for cooling down
jovial yarrow
from 0-100 heat, yes.
80 thermal resist gets two shots from 80-100 heat.
60 thermal resist gets two shots from 80-100 heat.
turbid ibex
69% lets you do eight hipfire shots in a row
hollow ibex
from 0-100 heat, yes.
80 thermal resist gets two shots from 80-100 heat.
60 ther...
Realistically you’re not going to be edging heat all the time
bold sierra
played some Heavy Sword w/ Bolter in H40, it's actually really good now, very reliable general-use melee
iron parcel
Is the helbore build in pinned guide generally going to be fine, or would I want something with a bit more emergency melee capability if I don't have a good frontline and/or is that even viable with a helbore build. or do you lose important breakpoints
Holy punctuation
bold sierra
deals with Rotten Armor Crushers decently well
narrow torrent
Is the helbore build in pinned guide generally going to be fine, or would I want...
Best thing to do would be to try it out and see if it fits your playstyle, it should be a pretty decent build tho
tame lodge
Is the helbore build in pinned guide generally going to be fine, or would I want...
Tactical Axe is the go to melee for heavy investment on ranged
Solid
Safe
Fast
sharp epoch
played some Heavy Sword w/ Bolter in H40, it's actually really good now, very re...
how much ammo do you go through
iron parcel
Best thing to do would be to try it out and see if it fits your playstyle, it sh...
I ran it on some auric yesterday but had a psword. but I was moreso wondering havoc since I haven't dipped my toes in yet and ave limited resources to invest (haven't found a good taxe yet either)
I'm trying to revamp too many of my classes right now so I'm thin on plasteel 
If the taxes is a good investment I'll focus on that first
sharp epoch
helbore builds typically just run DS or combat knife
iron parcel
I was told DS sucks yesterday am I getting ragebaited. If I have hb and ds where is my horde
hollow ibex
like egoists said
hollow ibex
I was told DS sucks yesterday am I getting ragebaited. If I have hb and ds where...
DS is overrated on vet
tame lodge
I was told DS sucks yesterday am I getting ragebaited. If I have hb and ds where...
No no DS is pretty good
In fact
It's too strong
That being said
Barely any horde clear
sharp epoch
people say it sucks because they dont like people using it
bold sierra
helbore builds typically just run DS or combat knife
I run it with dclaw, it helps with those situations where you just need to defend yourself, like mass ragers
iron parcel
Like helbore ds sounds like a nightmare if a group is on me
bold sierra
hell, helbore's bayonet is already great
hollow ibex
yeah there's no point in taking two weapons that specialize in the same fucking thing
knife i can understand
DS with helbore is dumb
iron parcel
I'm gonna just
Go taxe
My carpal tunnel hasn't progressed far enough to need an alternative
sharp epoch
I run it with dclaw, it helps with those situations where you just need to defen...
It's more so because ds has pretty good mobility and block is decent too, also it has a parry
bold sierra
having a block-everything button after shooting shit with Helbore is always great
iron parcel
The new gear progression system is so much nicer when I last played it was basically pure rng
bold sierra
It's more so because ds has pretty good mobility and block is decent too, also i...
not as good as dclaw tho, I'd rather have something that's a lot more specialized at a specific task. You can't tank gazillion ton of ragers with DS's parry like Dclaw can xD. Helbore already fills in on DS's role anyway
but obviously, no wrong choices here.
sharp epoch
ps would be pretty much a wrong choice its just too immobile
and your taking zero melee talents with helbore
iron parcel
I'll prob try DS with a different gun at some point, I do like the wep although last time I used it it had the mutant stagger poke
hollow ibex
PS on helbore is fine
bold sierra
ps would be pretty much a wrong choice its just too immobile
basically yeah, needs sth mobile and defensive with Helbore
hollow ibex
PS is strong even with 0 melee investment
hollow ibex
basically yeah, needs sth mobile and defensive with Helbore
nah
you have to work around the shit dodges
sharp epoch
I'll prob try DS with a different gun at some point, I do like the wep although ...
Yeah the h40 havoc players I've seen all run DS, scabs is one, my friend plays hb vet too on h40 with DS
hollow ibex
but PS is powerful on any build you run
iron parcel
Yeah the h40 havoc players I've seen all run DS, scabs is one, my friend plays h...
I will definitely try it but like I said I haven't havoc so will be a while before I h40 since I don't plan on getting boosted
My friends are very new and don't play shooters much to begin with lmao so I think it'll take a while even best case 
sharp epoch
but PS is powerful on any build you run
i mean its just not worth it to handicap your survivabillity when your not using it as much and with no melee talents
heavy rover
I mean I run power sword on havoc 40
iron parcel
Havoc is character dependent right so if you have h40 on one char you need to get all the way there on another?
sharp epoch
I mean I run power sword on havoc 40
(in helbore build)
heavy rover
yep, it's a helbore build too
hollow ibex
i mean its just not worth it to handicap your survivabillity when your not using...
no melee talents is irrelevant
and whether you can cope with psword dodges
depends on your own capabilities
heavy rover
Havoc is character dependent right so if you have h40 on one char you need to ge...
no, once you clear havoc 40, it'll show on all your characters
hollow ibex
i get not running psword with helbore
iron parcel
no, once you clear havoc 40, it'll show on all your characters
Oh nice
hollow ibex
but it's hardly an objectively bad choice
psword is literally never an objectively bad option lol
iron parcel
but it's hardly an objectively bad choice
Different strokes or whatever
bold sierra
how much ammo do you go through
a lot, but it was vs Rotten Armor so needed lots of ammo. Dc'd midway so yeah, 2 scoreboards here.
iron parcel
Its a nice reminder that a lot of this game is playstyle and preference
sharp epoch
a lot, but it was vs Rotten Armor so needed lots of ammo. Dc'd midway so yeah, 2...
jeezus thats a shitton of ammo
iron parcel
I just like shooting things so I figured helbore was prob best pick and I used it a bunch before
Satisfying popping heads of basically any elite
bold sierra
jeezus thats a shitton of ammo
other dudes were using flamer and stuff so if I see I pick up, that's about it really xD
no point leaving them untaken
sharp epoch
the zealot was actually pretty conservative then he only picked up 2 ammo satchels and 2 crate charges
the ogryn too
bold sierra
the zealot was actually pretty conservative then he only picked up 2 ammo satche...
he didn't use his flamer much, given it was vs Rotten Armor, Ogryn was on shield, mostly shielding
it was Grenadier Gaunlet, so yknow how it is with the dmg xD
sharp epoch
I just feel like that sort of build doesn't really fit a team's niche or more like isn't the best at one role
Like the psyker mopped up most the melee and ranged elites and specials were about the same, while plasma vet would at least probably have more ranged elites/ranged specials
olive halo
Yall is there any fix for the psword being super slow?
like its dodges are slow, you get your dodges back slow, swings slow, charges slow
why does everyone say its so good then?
sharp epoch
It's tradeoff for high damage/cleave
olive halo
thats really bad tradeoff though
tame lodge
like its dodges are slow, you get your dodges back slow, swings slow, charges sl...
You don't really get your dodges back slow
Because all your dodges are replenished once you stop dodging for 0.85 seconds
olive halo
With it I cant dodge out of most attacks, what point is damage when Im always dead?
tame lodge
You didn't push enough
sharp epoch
thats really bad tradeoff though
Some people argue otherwise, it has good stats on paper, but yeah mobility sucks and it's pretty clunky to use
olive halo
You don't really get your dodges back slow
Because all your dodges are replenish...
it feels like the duration is so much longer
like as if its got an extra 0.3s tacked on
olive halo
You didn't push enough
but how are you pushing, charging and attacking all at the same time? there's too many buttons
tame lodge
Yeah
Feels
But in fact still 0.85
sharp epoch
like as if its got an extra 0.3s tacked on
I recommend going for a .25 stamina regen node on the talent tree
tame lodge
but how are you pushing, charging and attacking all at the same time? there's to...
By practicing
You can activate push light light light
You can activate push attack light light
olive halo
honestly Im finding it too many inputs as it is to have to keep activating it every few attacks
olive halo
would be nicer if the charging animation was also a block, or if we could do both at the same time
he already holds it up like as if he's blocking anyways
sharp epoch
honestly Im finding it too many inputs as it is to have to keep activating it ev...
when you've played enough it becomes muscle memory O_O
bold sierra
Like the psyker mopped up most the melee and ranged elites and specials were abo...
up to taste, it was Ventilation Purge Sniper Gaunlet as well so I wasn't the best at clearing ranged elites (while Psyker Wildfire kinda just do it nonchalantly most of the times), and Rotten Armor isn't typical to make comparisons. If it was non-Rotten, it'd be a lot different for sure. Plus, a lot of the times I was overshooting too.
I like Bolter vs ranged elites cuz it can stagger multiple gunners and 1-2shotkill them, oneshot basically all the disablers. Rotten Armor is an ammo-eater tho, but Bolter is better against them than Plasma.
olive halo
when you've played enough it becomes muscle memory O_O
I'd imagine so, but I wonder how long is long enough?
cuz if its too much time I'll just drop it and go back to use an axe or chainsword
midnight totem
Its pretty much muscle memory for me
But I like the weapon and the game
If you don't like a weapon, no amount of playing will get you used to/happy with it
There are plenty of other weapons
olive halo
I like the game, but its hard for me to like the weapon when I can't kill 2 ragers with it without dying
midnight totem
Like me, I hate axes
tame lodge
You should be able to kill 10 Ragers without dying with a power sword
midnight totem
Rashad is bread and butter to lots of vets here. Hate it
olive halo
huh, Im almost halfway there
tame lodge
It's extremely doable
olive halo
sharp epoch
all of that was mostly on vet too
I will say hivescum is better melee vet this patch at least
olive halo
all of that was mostly on vet too
ok nvm Im nowhere close then lol
tame lodge
olive halo
that time is split between all 6 characters for me
midnight totem
And thats executioner stance vet
sharp epoch
exe makes it better because no hitstun and toughness regen
olive halo
You should be able to kill 10 Ragers without dying with a power sword
Im queueing into another one so my responses might be a little slow, but it really doesnt feel like it
sharp epoch
I guess gold toughness would do the same thing until you get hit like once
tame lodge
Im queueing into another one so my responses might be a little slow, but it real...
Are you running mk6?
olive halo
like Ill get hit once and my dude is disabled like as if they cut his spine out
bold sierra
oh boi i havent checked my hours for a while lol
midnight totem
I wish there was hit stun resistance somewhere in melee vet right sidetree
olive halo
he wont charge, wont dodge and just becomes useless, then dies 2 hits later
tame lodge
oh boi i havent checked my hours for a while lol
That's more hours than DT whole existence 
olive halo
Are you running mk6?
I cant check right now as Im in an expedition but I believe so
tame lodge
Is your push attack a swing or a stab?
olive halo
stab
tame lodge
Yeah more hours than DT whole existence 
sharp epoch
still pretty impressive to have hours almost 1/6 of the games existence
bold sierra
checked my hours and found out it's currently Mixed, i wonder what's the deal with it
saw a few of them talking about the new mode, ig ppl just don't really like change or sth.
sharp epoch
saw a few of them talking about the new mode, ig ppl just don't really like chan...
new mode is pretty dead on auric first time I queued no one joined 😭
bold sierra
new mode is pretty dead on auric first time I queued no one joined 😭
I mostly just quickplay lol
u get matches there pretty reliably
heavy rover
Yall is there any fix for the psword being super slow?
Trench fighter drills talent
hollow ibex
why does everyone say its so good then?
because you can kill a crusher with somethng like 6500 dps lol
olive halo
man I hit a scab rager with three lights and still needed another 3 after
how are you doing the entire crusher's health in one second??
sharp epoch
man I hit a scab rager with three lights and still needed another 3 after
hit weakspots
also talents probably
tame lodge
how are you doing the entire crusher's health in one second??
Push Attack
bold sierra
if Psword gets any better mobility, Vet would NEVER take anything else lol
tall torrent
new mode is pretty dead on auric first time I queued no one joined 😭
Cuz everyone playing it seriously is speed running malice for progress lol
Tech remnants don’t scale based on difficulty atm which sucks
tall torrent
Doing that 250k TR penance in the mode’s current TR scaling on auric is just asking for slower progress
tame lodge
Game modes to fall asleep to
tall torrent
If they make auric TR 4x higher then I will be playing auric for it
serene bough
People grind on sedition?
tall torrent
Lowest expedition difficulty is malice
olive halo
Push Attack
shit man I went to the psykhaunium and had both a damage stimm and close quarter killzone and it only reached 3.8k
that was to the head as well
w/ skirmisher as well it was 4.1k
tall torrent
shit man I went to the psykhaunium and had both a damage stimm and close quarter...
Push attack + L4
Check pinned guide on moveset
olive halo
huh
steep flower
Tech remnants don’t scale based on difficulty atm which sucks
Thats… bad
olive halo
I never realized that there's a short window after the PA where the charge is still active
tall torrent
Thats… bad
Yea ik
olive halo
cuz usually it just fades out right away after a pa
tall torrent
Thats… bad
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/expeditions-initial-feedback/120087
I wrote a feedback piece on new mode
vestal lotus
I think I just had an aneurysm
tall torrent
Is there any reason to use the vigilant
It’s pretty good
tame lodge
I think I just had an aneurysm
Oh my bad
tall torrent
Plasma obv still top tier gun
tame lodge
50% Melee 50% Ranged builds
vestal lotus
Even if I have 90 hours
hollow ibex
how are you doing the entire crusher's health in one second??
mk6 PA L L combo
vestal lotus
Oh, ooooh
tall torrent
Vig auto doesn’t really need dedicated ranged build to work (u can run it on a hybrid setup and do well)
vestal lotus
Marksman Focus build (left keystone)
What's the stuff for it?
tall torrent
On a dedicated ranged build it’s one of the strongest guns in the game
Capable of hitting havoc 1 burst breakpoints pretty easily
vestal lotus
Neat
tame lodge
I haven't played Vigis in a while so I don't have any builds ready for it atm
The pinned guide probably has it
olive halo
mk6 PA L L combo
yeah that's good to know, thank you
vestal lotus
The pinned guide probably has it
I was gonna look there just in a min
tame lodge
When in doubt
Guide it out
tall torrent
The pinned guide probably has it
It’s not a build dependent gun
feral stratus
What mark would you use the vigi autogun?
tall torrent
III
VII has better cleave but not as good breakpoints
IX has better carapace ADM but not as good breakpoints
arctic ridge
Is there some kind of bug with the plasma gun?
I say 7 or 8 times times I whip it out -- my player is jammed to strafing left constantly. & it's always left.
I don't have this problem with my other Veteran main guns nor my non-main guns.
So bloody annoying in Auric & Auric Maelstrom difficulty.
sharp epoch
Plasma obv still top tier gun
I actually hate the pullout time nerf more than the cleave nerf
tall torrent
I actually hate the pullout time nerf more than the cleave nerf
It’s noticeable but not by that much
Just run one motion lol
sharp epoch
I always have, it still messes with my muscle memory
it adds like 50-100 ms more time to each weapon swap which is annoying
tall torrent
The cleave nerf I don’t think most people will notice unless they were shooting through a lot of maulers before
And charged shots are still worthless overall
sharp epoch
The cleave nerf I don’t think most people will notice unless they were shooting ...
people who use plasma to clear hordes*
tall torrent
Is there some kind of bug with the plasma gun?
I say 7 or 8 times times I whip ...
Are u playing controller or mouse & keyboard
arctic ridge
Keyboard + mouse.
arctic ridge
Check ur keybinds?
All default since day 1. No mods either. Totally vanilla Darktide.
tall torrent
At worst report it on FS forums
Do this then
arctic ridge
k
midnight totem
There's no real bonus to one motion with knife and revolver is there
There isn't. I just miss Vanguard for that sweet sweet sprint efficiency
unreal nova
There's no real bonus to one motion with knife and revolver is there
With knoife and bistol, the increase is basically pointless for most parts and is more for swapping to frags.
Cos yes, it works to make pulling out 'nades faster.
midnight totem
Cos yes, it works to make pulling out 'nades faster.
Nice. Though I suppose most players shouldn't have any trouble pulling nades when needed
unreal nova
Nice. Though I suppose most players shouldn't have any trouble pulling nades whe...
Still nice to be able to drop them faster at times.
I have done with and without often enough that I can say it can be a diff of ministunning the arena or you get bonked by 20 ragers.
tawny badger
how many ragers
midnight totem
A lot
midnight totem
Whats the consensus right now, confirmed kill or out for blood.
hearty panther
confirmed for blood
midnight totem
Ck better, aye?
tawny badger
confirmed for blood
as opposed to out for kill
tall torrent
Whats the consensus right now, confirmed kill or out for blood.
CK first
cunning haven
midnight totem
You know, when they release dual las pistols for hive scum, I hope vets get it too
void dragon
why the zealot build in the pinned guide for assassin doesnt consider "Time to Kill"? i dont think the Thammer can realistically skip it to kill some enemies, am i wrong?
halcyon blaze
Mmmm
tall torrent
why the zealot build in the pinned guide for assassin doesnt consider "Time to K...
doesn't change breakpoints that much for shroud
pastel yew
You know, when they release dual las pistols for hive scum, I hope vets get it t...
optimistic
outside of the vet power sword clone
the last time any already class got a brand new weapon was over a year ago
if we're not including weapon marks I think we've had more gimick modes than weapons released in the last year 
I would like for them to release weapons that can be used by multiple classes though
tidal fox
hive scums dual pistols make me so jealous
I wish they were on vet they look so badass
narrow torrent
I wish Hive Scum had recon las
austere pine
veterans. i have done it
slow spade
2500 dead teammates 😔
slow spade
I've had missions where I've taken more damage from teammates than enemies
I wonder if I ran into you UwU
austere pine
europe
i also don't intentionally detonate barrels when teammates are near them
i cry and stall so they move out, meaning i get fewer kills, but still
i'd rather have 5 more heretics to kill than to have a worthless loyalist
narrow torrent
Teammates the second I start shooting a barrel to blow up some enemies: 
cunning haven
it was nicer before crusher buff
half badge
gun doesnt cleave, doesnt do dmg
tame lodge
Averaging higher cleave than most weapon
Way higher damage than most weapon
Your shit is laced dawg
What blessings you running
I swear if you say armorbane
narrow torrent
gun doesnt cleave, doesnt do dmg
Are you charging it?
tame lodge
What blessings you running
narrow torrent
Are you using the right mark?
half badge
give me a moment
narrow torrent
half badge
still gotta get it up
i know, but still the fact it feels so underwelming is insane
tame lodge
Yeah you're definitely feeling that low stopping power
turbid ibex
+5% crit chance 😭
half badge
no?
turbid ibex
get another armor perk there
half badge
unyielding?
turbid ibex
whatever it is you feel youre struggling the most
somber axle
I could swear there's a breakpoint for flamers or something with maniac on the Mk V but that's for Auric
could be worth testing in the Psykanium
the difference between a 1 tap flamer and needing 2 taps for headshots feels pretty big
tame lodge
does it rely that heavily on that small 15%
If it's a multiplier then yeah
half badge
need flak armor
heavy rover
Try swapping to the mk III helbore
half badge
the mkV has the bayonet i enjoy,
heavy rover
The mk III has the same bayonet
tame lodge
Mk3 also stabs
Mk4 slashes
half badge
imagine even with all the buffs the gun still feels underwhelming asf
tame lodge
Nah
half badge
huh>?
tame lodge
1 shots everything
heavy rover
Mk V is more like a regular lasguns
half badge
they changed it?
tame lodge
Changed what?
narrow torrent
Deez
heavy rover
Goteem
tame lodge
Mk3 and mk5 have had stabs since forever
heavy rover
Yeah
tame lodge
Mk4 is the slash one
half badge
mark 3 never done that
heavy rover
Mk 4 is the slash
half badge
it was a slash like the mk4
turbid ibex
not anymore then
heavy rover
Mk III has always been a stab
turbid ibex
check it out immediately
narrow torrent
The real stabs are the friends we barreled along the way
tame lodge
Mk4 doesn't have a stab because it's the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
So it can't be good at everything
narrow torrent
Why stab when shoot good
tame lodge
Single target? Helbore
Hordes? Helbore
Ammo? Infinite
Can't be good at everything
🚬
narrow torrent
If I didn’t mind charge up weapons, I’d Helbore. I’m lazy tho so I reconlas
half badge
check it out immediately
yeah i will
cheers
so the mk3 stabs now?
all i remember long ago when they first added it, i used both and never touched them again
i dont keep up to date with all the reworks
the mk5 just felt solid with the stab bayonet mostly
tame lodge
Yeah they changed the names
turbid ibex
im pretty sure you only really go for carapace on mk4
half badge
idk i come back after having a good build before they added all these item systems and added the mastery system
half badge
im pretty sure you only really go for carapace on mk4
so not for the mk3?
im coming back to the game after a few years honestly
so if you have any insight on whats useful and not
i appreciate it
iron parcel
is mk5 standard for helbore or is the addtl damage from mk4 meaningful if you're running weight of fire anyway
tall torrent
I could swear there's a breakpoint for flamers or something with maniac on the M...
irrelevant with stacks up on MF
tall torrent
yes
feral jetty
between the two
tall torrent
VI
feral jetty
ty
tall torrent
check pinned guide
void dragon
what Zealot keystone works better for the Rashad Caxe?
somber axle
irrelevant with stacks up on MF
oh right yeah that was before the MF buff
tame lodge
what Zealot keystone works better for the Rashad Caxe?
Martyrdom or IJ
Attack speed melee damage
iron parcel
is mk5 standard for helbore or is the addtl damage from mk4 meaningful if you're...
sry bumping this, or is it just pure preference
hollow ibex
sry bumping this, or is it just pure preference
helbores are all good
which mark you use is up to personal preference
(mk5 is the best )
jovial yarrow
rolled a 70/70 thermal/charge plasma.
Close enough.
boreal zenith
rolled a 70/70 thermal/charge plasma.
Close enough.
whats optimal?
turbid ibex
@tired egret
somber axle
sry bumping this, or is it just pure preference
it's mainly preference and whether you want to be able to 1 shot all Ogryns and 2 shot Crushers reliably with the IV, or if you want something speedy enough to clear lots of targets with less time charging with the V, and the IIIa as the middleground if you want something faster than the IV but with more damage than the V
personally prefer the V just because you can skip Weight of Fire on it and put Hot Shot on it instead because the cleave gets funny with Hot Shot and Withering Fire
they're all really strong with Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus anyway
iron parcel
h mm okay i swapped to mkv and the problem was i was still on surgical wof
i can't aim for specials as fast as that shit was charging lol
hollow ibex
rolled a 70/70 thermal/charge plasma.
Close enough.
that's what 'm using
hollow ibex
h mm okay i swapped to mkv and the problem was i was still on surgical wof
surgical wof on mk5 is goated
ilas if it were good
iron parcel
it definitely wasn't bad the charge was just sof ast
hollow ibex
i'm not sure which fires faster-- ilas mk ix or helbore mk v with wof
ilas mk ix is quite slow
iron parcel
mk v hb has the best damage:charge performance right
somber axle
the speed takes getting used to but WoF Mk V feels really good to use when you get the pacing down
somber axle
everything just evaporates so fast
jovial yarrow
whats optimal?
pinned guide says 69/71 thermal/charge
I'm assuming 69 thermal is the minimum for eight m1s without venting heat.
hollow ibex
yup
jovial yarrow
just looking at the variance in charge time, 71 charge would give a m1 0.645 between shots and m2 1.29s
idc enough to continue gambling for a hundredth and thousands of seconds.
hollow ibex
i spent 2.5m and best i got was a 70/70
i used plasma maybe 10 times in a thousand hours of gameplay lol
somber axle
I got really lucky on mine and decided to see how many dockets I'd spend after saving up like 6 million and got it in 3 rolls
it's just however Brunt's shop is feeling I guess
jovial yarrow
i think i spent 3 mil
narrow torrent
When does the cosmetic shop rotate, debating if I want the Cadian or Stygian armor
plain forge
void dragon
No way I'll change the mind of someone in such delusions
Mk5 helbore>>>>>inf lasguns
narrow torrent
Recon lasguns > everything else
void dragon
Heavy laspistol > heretics
narrow torrent
I want to be dumb and run headhunter on my recon las
sharp epoch
no carapace damage no good
valid valley
Anyone wanna hop on and help me level up my veteran?
plain forge
my normal playstyle just doesnt fit the helborn as much as the Infantry (specifically Mk2)
hollow ibex
what's a helborn
plain forge
what's a helborn
the charging lasgun with the bayonet on it
amber vortex
what's a helborn
the krieg las
plain forge
god damn it, i must be more tired then i though i didnt notice i misspelled it, shows how little i use it
plain forge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1395862442566877266...
im not saying its not a good weapon, it has its uses, just like every gun and melee has its strengths and weakness, i have just never found success with it
void dragon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1395862442566877266...
Glorious Helbore Superiority
hollow ibex
im not saying its not a good weapon, it has its uses, just like every gun and me...
fair fair
helbore is an acquired taste
plain forge
plus im bloody poor in the game man
void dragon
plus im bloody poor in the game man
give it time, soon you will have enough plasteel to build your own deathstar
plain forge
give it time, soon you will have enough plasteel to build your own deathstar
I know, this game loves giving me platsteel but basically no diamantine, i wish i could trade some of the plat for diamantine
runic jackal
Helbore needs a buff fr fr
And a fookin sight
I HATE that a full charge does not drop what i clicked on.
Hitting rapid heads is to hard in a normal fight to ask of me to hit 2 or 3
I want my one charger to make everything short of a boss fall over.
Like the arbys shotgun does. But y'know. To one target
deep sun
veteran class really needs the hotshot lasgun
tame lodge
I want my one charger to make everything short of a boss fall over.
So you want the mk4
Literally the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
hollow ibex
I HATE that a full charge does not drop what i clicked on.
mk4 with uncharged shots will one shot most human sized enemies lol
runic jackal
mk4 with uncharged shots will one shot most human sized enemies lol
Also untrue
3k aint enough for me. I miss when i could hit for 10k a pop with my plasma gun xd
hollow ibex
Also untrue
build issue
runic jackal
Simply. No
Fun issue
It sucks to use. Charged or uncharged.
Needs scope. Needs a small dmg it charge speed buff. Less stager when charging and getting hit
boreal zenith
anyone ever tried the revolver with crucian roulette? and keeping it on 1 round?
runic jackal
Being a better gun is fun xd
Thats why i want the double barrel to kick ass
Since that would be fun. Its already funny to use
tame lodge
Thats why i want the double barrel to kick ass
It already does
runic jackal
It just. Doesnt do anything
tame lodge
tame lodge
You must be baiting
runic jackal
I rank the las pistol above it. And i hate that thing
tame lodge
runic jackal
Re-looped from the peak of insight back down to the what ifs for funny.
Its horrible
tame lodge
Yeah man you're baiting
runic jackal
No armor pen. Low cleave
runic jackal
Its much lower than the bolter to
Bolter used to be S tier. But now its like a low A
Db is C at best
If u build around it. But thats most weapons
somber axle
now I'm kinda curious who has the most hours in Darktide
hollow ibex
it's a better countersniper than most guns lol
runic jackal
But they have like 300hp xd
Of course one pellet will kill them
Anything can bully a sniper
somber axle
I've been playing since beta according to steam I've got 1,472 hours but I also took a year long break off Darktide so I definitely don't have the most
runic jackal
Fellow beta soldier O7
somber axle
there's probably at least someone out there with double that though
hollow ibex
Anything can bully a sniper
ok let me see you hipfire and single shot two snipers from 50 meters away with another gun
runic jackal
I had some alpha playtesting. But only like 8 hours
hollow ibex
DB is one of vet's strongest guns
runic jackal
ok let me see you hipfire and single shot two snipers from 50 meters away with a...
Plasma gun
XD
somber axle
I work a full time job and play other games but if someone plays Darktide all day everyday they could probably have 4k-5k hours
tame lodge
Recently I saw a player with 4k hours
hollow ibex
Plasma gun
not going to get both if they're not lined up one after another
hollow ibex
aren't there level 2500s?
somber axle
yeah that checks out LOL
runic jackal
I do work full time. 50 hours a week. But i have a few more hours than that. At least 800 might be idle hours for shop farming before times ago xd
hollow ibex
i'm sure there's players with more than 4k hours
molten cedar
I'm trying not to resort to chatgpt 'cuz that's just too easy. Give me a name for an old lady zealot who has the agitator personality
Something reasonable
Not like double cheeseburger
runic jackal
I got a few more than 10k.
somber axle
I'm trying not to resort to chatgpt 'cuz that's just too easy. Give me a name fo...
I can suggest the name I've been sitting on for the eventual Mechanicus class
Averia/Avaria (both mean Malfunction in a language I forget, maybe polish/spanish/german idk)
runic jackal
I'm trying not to resort to chatgpt 'cuz that's just too easy. Give me a name fo...
Make a gimmic up
tall torrent
playtime doesn't necessarily make opinions more valid
runic jackal
My last one was radio head. And i would play music on soundpad
tame lodge
I'm trying not to resort to chatgpt 'cuz that's just too easy. Give me a name fo...
Loud Lady
runic jackal
playtime doesn't necessarily make opinions more valid
No but it sure should help xd
tall torrent
u'd think but after a certain point it somewhat goes opposite direction
runic jackal
u'd think but after a certain point it somewhat goes opposite direction
Nien
runic jackal
Lmao he did say Ellie
molten cedar
Yeah but also ellie feels too normal lol
tame lodge
Could always go with Elleanor
runic jackal
Naaa my views are definitely different. But i've played the game in every way you can really.
tall torrent
u play solo/duo?
runic jackal
Solo. Duo. Full stack.
molten cedar
🤝
runic jackal
I've done it all to hell n back.
tall torrent
duo is unironically the best way to play dt
hollow ibex
someone with long playtime producing some of the worst takes ever
the bro you're talking to 📷
hollow ibex
no u
runic jackal
Same grade as normal shotty
runic jackal
I will take no further objections
hollow ibex
someone with long playtime producing some of the worst takes ever
thinking helbore (best ranged vet gun) and DB (best melee vet gun) are bad is truly a good example of this
have you tought about starting a youtube channel?
i think you'd do really well
runic jackal
Hell naaa
hollow ibex
seriously man
valid valley
Can someone give me their plasma build for havoc
hollow ibex
you should start a YT channel
runic jackal
Recon is still my baby
runic jackal
Ick
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thinking helbore (best ranged vet gun) and DB (best melee vet gun) are bad is tr...
I honestly don't enjoy playing either personally lol
but they not bad
runic jackal
You guys couldn't wait to hear my other opinions.
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You guys couldn't wait to hear my other opinions.
is ur steam page bugged cuz it doesn't show dt on there
runic jackal
Im on at like 8-9pm est. I'll chill in one of the vc's and go over shit
runic jackal
is ur steam page bugged cuz it doesn't show dt on there
One of the many games hidden due to meanie's leaving comments after games
tall torrent
lmao
runic jackal
Just like tf2. And csgo xd
somber axle
Can someone give me their plasma build for havoc
I think there's one in the pinned guide
hollow ibex
I honestly don't enjoy playing either personally lol
helbore i can understand but not liking DB??
tall torrent
helbore i can understand but not liking DB??
I don't enjoy it that much tbh
which is weird cuz I like ext3
sharp epoch
thinking helbore (best ranged vet gun) and DB (best melee vet gun) are bad is tr...
db is not best melee vet gun
runic jackal
Helbore slow. Db not enough pow behind the boom
tall torrent
thinking helbore (best ranged vet gun) and DB (best melee vet gun) are bad is tr...
and yea DB is not best melee vet gun
sharp epoch
its plasma 😂
hollow ibex
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it's either plasma or revolver
sharp epoch
you gotta cover your weaknesses with your other weapon
runic jackal
Relvover is B tier
hollow ibex
can't hear you over the sound of my infinite cleave going brrrrrrrrrrt
sharp epoch
Relvover is B tier
if plasma is considered S id place it in A, its one tier under
runic jackal
Plasma is like A+ these days.
tall torrent
revolver only issue is ammo
sharp epoch
Plasma is like A+ these days.
then out of vets arsenal theres really no s then
boreal zenith
Relvover is B tier
how dare you
runic jackal
Fear me
sharp epoch
It's S in auric I suppose
boreal zenith
stinking devs want to force everyone to go into melee like a peasant
runic jackal
Yea. Talking rank for hav 40
Is the worst
Its so un fun
Its not hard. But it slims your loadout. And makes your game take longer
tall torrent
the only time recon was S was prob pus harden?
runic jackal
Also. Green raged crusher upon yee
sharp epoch
Its not hard. But it slims your loadout. And makes your game take longer
its slims your loadout because it is hard lol
tall torrent
back when the trick was using infernus to cope with pus harden's DR
sharp epoch
after this patch itll be a lot harder they hit both shout and bubble