veteran-class

[torn root]

gotta sweat harder

[dry cloak]

Not enough

[slow spade]

That's why Crushers have like 6500 hp now

[dry cloak]

Yeah funny joke

[distant mural]

Yes

Thats it

I dont have time for that tho

I can do like 4-5 games at max

When i get home

[dry cloak]

I mean not crushers. Mauler and down need to differianciate more

[pastel yew]

darktide 2 will be better I'm manifesting it

[slow spade]

They buffed them too

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[slow spade]

All scabs got it

[dry cloak]

Except

[distant mural]

When i completed havoc 40 i was unemployed

That shozld tell u enough

[torn root]

yeah but then if you sweat hard enough and win, you can rub it in peoples face and say ''see, i told you it works,'' or "it worked for me so i know what i am saying''

[slow spade]

Just quit them

[dry cloak]

Scabs sgould be less numerable but have really strong units. And dregs being the spam faction

[slow spade]

I think you mean double dog spawns adds carapace pox hounds

[pastel yew]

it being map dependant would be cool

[dry cloak]

Also yes

[slow spade]

For the campaign it is

[pastel yew]

I think some of the like... campaign for tertium stuff or whatever has that already

mhm mhm yeah

[dry cloak]

But this idea bounces of nerfing player characters first

[slow spade]

You can farm certain enemy types based on what story mission you do

[pastel yew]

the curio grind never ends...

did the +3 stam curio bug ever get fixed

[slow spade]

Also Rolling Steel on the campaign doesn't appear to have its xp or docket reduction

So you can farm there

[pastel yew]

quick map to get through too, if your teams not bad

[slow spade]

No c:

[pastel yew]

I'm glad we dont have more missions like that though

[pastel yew]

excelent.

[slow spade]

I leave rolling steel at this point

I've done it too much

[pastel yew]

yeah the lack of variety means it feels basically the same every time

[slow spade]

And it's always me carrying

[pastel yew]

the actual map layout is also REALLY dry

[pastel yew]

or doing the stupid fucking scanner task

;-;

no one does that ever

80% of all of those, in every rolling steel game I've ever played

have been done by me

[slow spade]

Indeed, I just instant leave when I see rolling steel :p

[torn root]

this is most games even in expeditions

ppl rahter just sit and kill to farm and pad their scoreboard 🙂

had a moment yesterday where i called a guy out and he asked how i knew

ppl with it play a specific way

[slow spade]

The worst is players where they literally can't outkill the horde

Like smikers

[pastel yew]

yeah, another reason why I dont intend to play much of the game mode. also people just not moving... getting stuck on their own... blaming team when they die

like bruh, situational awareness

[torn root]

bro

i almost raged out yesterday

[pastel yew]

fatshark saw everyone complaining about people speedrunning and thought, "man what if we made an entire game mode encouraging this"

[torn root]

im not even gunna get too deep into it

[slow spade]

It is funny when you get those teams that clearly have no clue what they're doing and just follow you like ducklings :p

[torn root]

IMAGINE GOING OFF ON YOUR OWN WHEN 3 TEAMMATES ARE TOGETHER ON AN OBJ

just to bitch at us for dying alone

[distant mural]

The thing is tho speedrunning doesnt help in expeditions

Ive had the most success with teams that just stay together and do them 1 by 1

[pastel yew]

speedrunning doesnt help in any mode unless all players are doing it

you are only as fast as your slowest player, unless your intent is to let them die

[torn root]

ive had succes doing 1 at a time or 2 teams of 2

[slow spade]

There's a hotfix where dead players don't impact objectives now.

so you can speedrun if you kill your team first

[torn root]

it's skill dependent and i feel like if you dont have the skill you shouldnt. It also puts ppl in a bad spot if they aren't really into that or capable

[pastel yew]

I genuinely just sit in spawn and farm the wave when people speedrun in my games to make them wait, for as long as I can

[distant mural]

Fatfish…….

[dry cloak]

2x2 can be very effective

[pastel yew]

I feel like 2x2 is the proper meta strat

if you want to be as efficient as possible

but the timer is pretty generous

[slow spade]

Clearly 4 teams of 1 is optimal

[distant mural]

Ive done 2x2 aswell but its more risky imo

[torn root]

as long as ppl are willing to do objs 1 at a time, I'm fine. But 2x2 as a must is a bit brain dead to me

[pastel yew]

I dont want to be super bitter about the game mode publicly ( even though I am ) though, I'm sure a lot of people are enjoying it

dozens of them

[distant mural]

I mean usually the guy running of just dies anyway

And the u get a new player

And that keeps goong until u gamble for a good teammate

[torn root]

always will be, you aren't wrong

[pastel yew]

I am a little surprised at how many people are confused by the game mode though

[slow spade]

Until they realize they get no plasteel or diamantine to make new stuff with lol

[pastel yew]

even without reading the patch notes it didnt take me long to figure out the score

go to thing on radar

fondle it

go home

[dry cloak]

2x2 is good ifnyou are in a team

[pastel yew]

farm to ... unlock the ability to farm in other levels... just to.... farm.. for more levels?

hmm...

the silver lining is that theres nothing new to craft anyway

because rather than adding new weapons to the classes we just got another new game mode

[slow spade]

To be fair, there was a bug where you could permanently not be able to do objectives if you swapped weapons during an auspex

[pastel yew]

oh really? if thats why they were confused then fair play

[torn root]

i feel like splintering in between rotations is better, its a tactic used in other games that some players adopted form mil sims

start pbj as a team

splinter on the finishing end of obj and regroup to the next area

[slow spade]

Yeah it just essentially removed the ability to pull out the auspex

[pseudo fiber]

Think how dumb someone can be

They're probably 2 times dumber.

[pastel yew]

definitely safer but not faster. think it'd really come down to how much risk is worthwhile.

[pastel yew]

true...

[slow spade]

The funny part is the people that instant leave when they go down

[torn root]

it's a bit of both dynamics

[pseudo fiber]

I saw someone say the new minigame was too hard to understand on reddit

Like fucking hell

What's going on

[slow spade]

Like bro you're not getting a better team

[pastel yew]

as the old saying goes, "think about how dumb the average person is, then remember that a lot of people are dumber than that"

the new minigame is the first like

genuinely skill based one

[torn root]

i want to bully these people especially when they make you waste time coming to get them

[distant mural]

This mode is love it or hate it

[pastel yew]

well I suppose the rolling steel one, but thats impossible to fail

[distant mural]

Nothing wrong with that

[pastel yew]

I just dont think theres much to love

its not an open map

its

[distant mural]

Yeah thats ok

[pastel yew]

a grid of tiny flat areas, connected by rocky corridors

I wish it was more open, like the areas we got in the trench map

[torn root]

i like the possiblities we might havein the future

[pastel yew]

some actual variety, though I doubt the engine can support that

[torn root]

an open field game mode gives them room for better game design and difficulty

more to work with on enemy design too

[slow spade]

I wish I could block them but sadly 50 block limit

[torn root]

mission design as well

[distant mural]

Idk the maps are random i think if they add more different biomes etc it might be more interesting for other players

[pastel yew]

the issue here is that I dont want them spending more time on X gimick mode when the main game is extremely content starved

[torn root]

THERE IS A BLOCK LIMIT?!

[slow spade]

Wild that the block limit is so small

[pastel yew]

consistently when polled the thing people say the game needs most is new maps

new weapons

[slow spade]

Yes 😎

[pseudo fiber]

Its like an entirely arbitrary number they just chose ots so funng

[slow spade]

The problem is it's so small

And there's a lot of alt+f4 players :/

[torn root]

The maps are a bit procedurally generated but they use specific seeding. I dont care fore procedural generation on maps specifically. More so that this could open doors to new ideas for game play

[pastel yew]

at least this has mostly stopped since the penance changes

but tbh if someone like that is in my game

I'd rather they left than stuck it out anyway

[distant mural]

I like it makes every run different

Like i know every map in and out at this point

[slow spade]

I can assure you it's still happening

[distant mural]

Expeditions is refreshing to me

[pastel yew]

free true solo unlocked

[torn root]

yeah, but what gets generated can be so much more. I would be fine with more, but also maps on an open field that are also static.

[slow spade]

Indeed, all from poxwalkers

Not even a ogryn train lmao

[pastel yew]

tbf the poxwalkers are very strong

[distant mural]

Yeah i agree they should add a lot more

[pastel yew]

they can like

run... and stuff

crazy dying to the enemy that isnt an enemy though

poxwalkers are literally toughness regen

[torn root]

if they can procure tile sets it would go a long way for map development

even in chunks

[pastel yew]

if they make more interesting tiles

it could be good

most of the tiles arent interesting to fight in though

[slow spade]

They should give Vet a grenade launcher

[pastel yew]

they dont offer unique combat difficulty

[slow spade]

I want more booms

[pastel yew]

there is a load of weapons I want added for vet...

[torn root]

because as is, there isn't a lot of maleability with their tiles

you can notice the same ones on back to back runs easily for expedition

[pastel yew]

still no power fist.. no melta gun... no hellgun

[slow spade]

Megabolter for Vet when?

[distant mural]

Tbf i feel like enemy spawns can get quite crazy and fun in expeditions

[torn root]

this is just the beginning of something promising

if FS DOESN'T mess it up

[pastel yew]

or a hell rifle...

[slow spade]

They're probably on vacation again

[pastel yew]

yeah the thing is though that they just

conga line in

from the tile connectors

[torn root]

add hellfire and i would be happy

actual melta models too

[pastel yew]

idk they're not exactly approaching in any interesting way, and usually theres so much space you cant really get stuck or bogged down

[pastel yew]

they're so peak... they'll never in a million years get added though

[slow spade]

Jetpack crushers next update just for you

[pastel yew]

you joke but I'd love this

do the later maps in expeditions get anything interesting?

[distant mural]

Is it a musket

[slow spade]

overheads you cutely

[torn root]

this is why i think they should have static tile sets

with a static tile set you can make dynamic objs and spawns

[slow spade]

Different stuff like one has a 30 minute timer instead and another spawns dust storm tornados

[torn root]

which would make patrols better gameplay was and with flavor

[pastel yew]

nah more like an old winchester rifle I think

[slow spade]

Galvanic rifle for Vet when UwU

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hammer-cat-being-hit-on-the-head-with-a-hammer-monjjunirawr-silly-cat-cat-hammered-gif-10390299470246788991

like genuinely if they stopped and just went

[torn root]

dustnadoes can kma

[pastel yew]

"okay we're not going to do anything this year except add new weapons and maps" I'd be so happy

[pulsar patio]

10 trillion maps

[pastel yew]

I do wonder what they're working on next

[slow spade]

Dust tornados aren't bad, its the aimbotting shooters while you're in one

[pastel yew]

also the fact that expeditions was their quote "biggest ever update to darktide"

is mad

[pastel yew]

ahhhh.... this might go some way as to explaining why the sorcerers from vermintide arent in...

[torn root]

they have assests from expedition now, im really hoping it's more intricate map design, because that leads to better reasons to add certain weapons and enemies to the game

and ways to have them apply pressure and affect difficulty more dynamically.

where they won't need to just adjust numbers

[pastel yew]

we have a lot of tilesets already that arent really used much unfortunately I dont think thats the limiting factor

[pseudo fiber]

I do believe this is true content wise

Because its a lot of stuff

[pastel yew]

they'd not have to adjust the numbers if they hadnt already capped out the max amount of enemies you can realistically have before consoles start catching fire

[pseudo fiber]

Well the new skitarii class is next

[pastel yew]

they refuse to nerf the players so they can only move up

[pseudo fiber]

Based on last year

I'd say hrm.

[pastel yew]

well... we'll see

[pseudo fiber]

Expedition stuff September

[torn root]

i didnt mean this as a limiting factor

[pastel yew]

though I do fully expect it

[pastel yew]

oh?

[pulsar patio]

id enjoy running some maps backwards

[pastel yew]

I mean looking at the tile set for expeditions

I dont think any of the tiles are actually more interesting from a gameplay perspective than rooms or areas in regular maps

[torn root]

the numbers comment was based on buffs and nerfs to talents and weapons

[pastel yew]

they're just novel because of how they're strung together

[pastel yew]

ah I was responding to that here kuro

[torn root]

things can be tweaked to have more or less value based on the situations that each encounter can cause, and map design is a big factor for that in many games

[pastel yew]

though with certain map layouts they could force less enemies to be more dangerous

I think that'd start to require more verticality though

[torn root]

i want a damn psyker blasting us from mortar distance and have a map that benefits game desing around it

portals into the warp affecting a map that you gotta choose how to tackle etc

[pastel yew]

escape missions... you just completed the objective now have to fight back to the shuttle

[torn root]

if they are going to take ideas from Hell Divers, take more that make sense in universe

[pulsar patio]

sign me up

[pastel yew]

novel objectives? LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER NOISE
more minigames to play on your phone?

[pulsar patio]

https://giphy.com/gifs/family-feud-qYYS2GC0sfPCU

[pastel yew]

best we're going to get is playing flappy bird to keep the data interrogator going

[torn root]

no escorts

other than the one little skull

[pastel yew]

I'd like more maps themed around an objective or progressing towards a goal though

[torn root]

repair and retrive missions, that can force 2 and 2 situations at different points

there are ideas

[pulsar patio]

id like more engaging boss fights most of all

[pastel yew]

people would complain they're too hard

chaos spawn nukes low level lobbies

[pulsar patio]

shield break spam is so lame

[pastel yew]

and thats like, the most complex boss we have

[torn root]

ppl just complain regardless

too hard

too easy

too boring

[pastel yew]

the slug does a good job at being a boss

like genuinely its really the only one that super succeeds at its goal of

[pulsar patio]

the bosses are at least exciting to nuke

[pastel yew]

being a road block and changing how you move

[pulsar patio]

true actually

[torn root]

rot flies, i need them

[pastel yew]

I'd love for them to appear

[torn root]

we could have actual boss fights with some of the mid tier daemons

[pastel yew]

so many maps are not designed for them

[pulsar patio]

ranged captains force u close

[pastel yew]

they'd fit in expeditions though

theres sky EVERYWHERE

[pulsar patio]

im not convinced the rejects would fare too well against daemons

[pastel yew]

we could get a new map featuring them, and then just add them to the expeditions mode

[pastel yew]

we're already exploding demons on the regular

I just want nurglings

loot nurglings...

that carry around little packs n stuff,

[torn root]

Like tertium has many garrison walls and encampments. A decently sized static map like that could give way to many a mission variation

[pulsar patio]

nurglings in groaner hoards would be dope

the new pack master guy is pretty fun

[pastel yew]

I think a lot of the nurgle demons could be fun inclusions

[twin sapphire]

I’d love to see some nurglings

[pastel yew]

obviously a great unclean one would never fit

but most of the others I think would be fine

[twin sapphire]

A few plague bearers too maybe

[pastel yew]

yeah exactly

[torn root]

ngl

[pulsar patio]

exalted plaguebearer could be a boss tbh

[torn root]

i realized we also dont have any defend missions

which is unique for games in this genre now that i think about it

not many horde shooters have those

[pastel yew]

I guess because a lot of horde shooters dont have like

set maps

they're mostly proc gen

so holding a specific point in those games is less fatiguing, each time you do it it'd be somewhere new

vs darktide where its the same each timeyou play that map

we have lots of little defend objectives instead

[twin sapphire]

One of the most iconic horde shooters of all time has set maps lol

[torn root]

im talking about why we could use bigger tile sets that could allow dynimic missions

porc gen can be used in a few ways

the tile set it self

or things generated on it

and i dont mean, stand and fight or die situations

[pastel yew]

I assume you mean left for dead, though yeah left for dead doesnt really have "hold this until you leave maps" either

honestly l4d and darktide are... quite similar in terms of how they play out

[torn root]

fr

[pastel yew]

I miss old vermintide linked campaigns though

I get why they dropped it

but it'd be nice if we could have had some of that at least

I do think darktide is more replayable for it but...eeh

[pulsar patio]

mortis trials?

[pastel yew]

I've played

literally

maybe 2 or 3 runs on this mode ngl

[pseudo fiber]

Just kill it bruh

[pulsar patio]

yeah axe it

thats sort of a defendy mode thing

[torn root]

im tired of roguelite games and mechanics, i saw mortis trials dying as soon as it came out

[pastel yew]

ahh yeah I guess you're right

[torn root]

roguelites are a trend that show up and die off pretty quickly

[pastel yew]

it is literally that

[distant mural]

What if more obj then tech remnants are addet for exp?

[pastel yew]

I mean

[pulsar patio]

the closed maps make it pretty bland

[pastel yew]

roguelike could be fun if it was on the regular maps

idk

[pulsar patio]

agreed

[distant mural]

I saw a lot of player also vomplaining that theres not a lot of plasteel etc on exp

[pastel yew]

I mean it'd be better for crafting mats

[distant mural]

I think thats another problem of the game tbh

The rewards

[pastel yew]

I've not played chaos wastes really in v2 but

isnt that literally what that mode is

and isnt it well loved?

[torn root]

yeah not many resources, grindy, not many of cosmetics --- not too much incentive to play.

but that can be fixed

[pastel yew]

roguelike gauntlet on regular maps

[pulsar patio]

there's unique maps in chaos wastes

[pastel yew]

ahhh

[distant mural]

If we could buy cosmetics with i game money……….

[pastel yew]

I think weapons are enough reason to grind

but at this point I have

[pulsar patio]

its sort of like expeditions but strung together into one run

[pastel yew]

used almost every weapon in the game

even the bad ones

[distant mural]

I have endless dockets plasteel and diamantine

Like

I have every weapon maxxed and mastered

[pastel yew]

I dont think darktide is meant to be a live service game though

[dreamy spade]

Lmao

[pastel yew]

I think its more of a game you come back to every now and then because it got an update

[unreal nova]

It's about half the amount you get for a full run.

[pulsar patio]

the gameplay keeps me coming back to dt

[pastel yew]

just what the game needed... more power swords..

[unreal nova]

A full loot run.

[pastel yew]

yay yay yay yyay

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-pred-gif-23697075

[pastel yew]

I'm still so unbelievably bitter about the power falchion

I cant lie

[pulsar patio]

for why

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[pulsar patio]

just realized im in vet chat and not general ngl

[dreamy spade]

Finally

[pulsar patio]

its butter

[pastel yew]

all of the classes got a new weapon, except vet who was told, "vets wont have to wait long!" >> vets wait an entire year? only to get a weapon that should have just been a rework. A weapon that was a clone of a weapon that another class got, when they got stuff that was all new mechanically or filling a new niche

also I'm ngl, the weapon is just kinda tame

there are so many other things we could have gotten, even as melee weapons

and we waited a year, for a reprint of an existing weapon in a far less cool form

[torn root]

and yet they have the audacity to put more development time into skins instead of the game

just saying

[distant mural]

We will never get anything nice from the fish

[torn root]

the priorities matter and detract from other things

[pseudo fiber]

Don't do that for fucks sake people

[distant mural]

They could literally make nothing but new melee weapons and i would keep playing forever

[pastel yew]

I mean citation needed but I've heard a lot of people say that it isnt fatshark that make those

its outsourced to external people

[torn root]

quantity of skins developed = less quality of content released over time more time spent.

[torn root]

if FS can just prove it somehow ill accept that

i kinda of dont trust them

the same way i dont trust Creative Assembly in a sense.

[distant mural]

The skins are also sooooooo overpriced

[torn root]

The IP is nice, and skins are obviously released to get more cashflow. Game dev and focus on the actual game can get them just as much money by giving ppl even more reason to support those cash shop items

[pastel yew]

a lot of the weapon skins especially

its literally just a blank texture

placed on an existing model

and they charge out the ass for it

[distant mural]

I prolly spend 10x the ammount on skins then what the game cost me.

[pastel yew]

at least with other cosmetics its a unique model

[torn root]

i rarely spend extra money in this game, and it usually makes me a bit sad when i do

[pseudo fiber]

Cosmetics are outsourced. You can find them on art station

Base game classes and stuff seem to be in house

So all the arbites cosmetics were made by FS

@woeful ibex please post some of your art station cosmetic finds thank you

[tame lodge]

What's the other one?
Red Hot or something

[pseudo fiber]

Red Hot CG

[woeful ibex]

pls wait

[distant mural]

I spend a shitload on my ogryn

Would do it again tho

[woeful ibex]

(Company Name is Red Hot Cg)

here pals

I found it completly by accident

I was browing Artstation when I found it I posted on Theory and drip channel

[torn root]

axe looks amazing btw

[pastel yew]

no big axe in game makes me sad

[distant mural]

I-Is that…..ogryn weapon?

[pastel yew]

the chain axe handle does make me giggle though

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[pseudo fiber]

It is

[woeful ibex]

Yes Pal

[tame lodge]

Ogryn hammer 2h

[woeful ibex]

Confirmed 2H Hammer

[distant mural]

Oh LORD

[tame lodge]

Or whatever the name

[distant mural]

GOOD GOD

[woeful ibex]

yup

you’re right

[distant mural]

I am overjoyed

[pastel yew]

I wonder how different itll be from the pickaxe

[woeful ibex]

Its Ogryn Hammer 2H

[distant mural]

I cannot believe it

[woeful ibex]

Its simple

[pastel yew]

given that think already mulches through horde and armor

[tame lodge]

That Labrys though

[woeful ibex]

we cosplay as crushers

[pastel yew]

long wind up overhead

kill your team mate

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

But yeah hammer will probably be what Bully Club is to Cleaver

[distant mural]

Is the axe thing for zealot?

Power axe i assume

[toxic reef]

aren't these very old by now tho

[distant mural]

I mightve seen the hammer before not sure

[tame lodge]

Like a year old by now yeah
But it's fatfish

So

It might happen

It might not

[distant mural]

Please happen😩

THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

[heavy rover]

Text strings that came with the hotfix

[tame lodge]

Same thing for Heavy Stubber happened

[distant mural]

Now we just need a brass knuckles leak

And i can turn myself into a cyborg fused with my gaming chair

[pastel yew]

why brass knuckles... when power fist...

obese sea creature I beg

[distant mural]

You wouldnt understand

Its an aquired taste

[pastel yew]

I just want things to turn into fine red mist after being punched...

[distant mural]

Power fists also sound very cool tho

[pastel yew]

though seeing how they've handled the thunder hammer I'm not sure the weapon will be all that good

[distant mural]

I honestly want brass knuckles because its basically unarmed

And i really want to just punch stuff as ogryn

Cause thats what they do

[torn root]

yeah....

thunder hammer was the only reason i ever played zealot

[pastel yew]

the thunder hammer still not being able to one shot crushers without martyrdom is wild

[torn root]

can say i was dissapointed

[pastel yew]

they progressively removed all of zealots cool factor

[torn root]

this is only because of the change that happened

unfortunately

[pastel yew]

fast paced dps? play scum
liked the thunder hammer? power crept into a bad state
ranged support for strange weapons through fury? nerfed, not allowed. bad.
flamer? play psyker

literally all they got is throwing knives... ;-;

[torn root]

i still remember chorus into pinning fire bolter

[pastel yew]

I used to be a zealot main

[pastel yew]

is that gonee?

I remember you could do the same shit with grenades

old old vet was the funniest shit

[torn root]

well it stuns every others wave, so pretty much

[pastel yew]

throw frag grenade

fire 30 shots of fully amped pinning fire

OLD pinning fire

so +100%

[snow gazelle]

Oof

[torn root]

i'm just bitter, ignore me

[snow gazelle]

No no, you right tho

[tall torrent]

Dw Falchion is only 10 buffs way from being good

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/jungkook-mention-yippee-excited-yay-dance-gif-4797531226790049058

glad we waited almost a year to get a 1h clone of a far better far more interesting weapon

[tall torrent]

They buffed falchion activated atk damage by 3.55% on avg with 1.11 update

Yes I’m not joking

[pastel yew]

you've got every right to be bitter with CA, I've never seen a company earn the favour of their fanbase and immediately lose it back to back to back so many times

[pastel yew]

peak, finally a good weapon

[tall torrent]

Falchion gets mogged by power sword so hard it’s funny & sad

[pastel yew]

I know there were similar oddities like one of the lasgun marks not even getting a single extra shot in its magazine because of weird numbers

I still dont get why the falchion wasnt just

an update to the existing PS

were they scared people would riot about losing what they had? I guess tbf the original changes to changed hit count did explode the community

so many cool weapons we could have gotten instead

[tall torrent]

Because making power sword use heat gauge would be such a massive rework/nerf that people would complain

And it would 100% be in the direction of a nerf

[pastel yew]

existing power sword mechanics are just bad, people would complain for a bit and then just forget

[tall torrent]

I think it’s one of the more uniquely interesting ones tbh

[pastel yew]

at least we dont have to grind for power cycler anymore

[pastel yew]

I dont like powercycler being a blessing

it should just have raw 3 swings

[tall torrent]

I don’t either

But

[pastel yew]

I'd maybe not mind it so much then

[unreal nova]

I see why needs at least 10 more buffs.

[tall torrent]

Do I really want power sword to have BM + sunder with 3 activated attacks at the same time?

Probably not, right?

[pastel yew]

I hope when we get darktide 2 they design all weapon blessings with the idea that they're good

[tall torrent]

lol

[pastel yew]

rather than adding a bunch of dud options for a slot machine they remove a year or two later

[tall torrent]

I don’t mind the crafting now, it’s fine

Only 2 weapons in the game have real RNG godrolls

[pastel yew]

the issue though is that most blessings are awful and unusably bad compared to other options

[tall torrent]

Yea ik

[pastel yew]

I Didnt really mind the crafting before, outside of specific tier slot blessings like surge

since those were mad grinds to get

[tall torrent]

I’ve complained about it to playtesters who have complained about it to fatshark

lol

[pastel yew]

the illusion of choice.... 10 blessings, only 2 are viable... how convenient you have two slots!

[tall torrent]

At this point I’m ok if a weapon has 4-5 interesting & good blessings

[pastel yew]

+5% impact when the moon enters a new phase

[tall torrent]

Which power sword weirdly fits the bill for

[pastel yew]

is power cycler included int hat?

as idk, tax blessings I dont much like

[tall torrent]

Yea

But

[pastel yew]

I saw in the mechanicus leak there was another power sword mentioned too so... more cometh

[tall torrent]

The other 3 blessings competing for 1 slot

And all 3 being top tier picks

Is ok to me

And the weapon itself has some interesting ideas with risk vs reward

[pastel yew]

whats the third blessing?

need to actually check gameslantern

bm sunder and... what

slaughterer?

[tall torrent]

BM, sunder, slaughterer
Granted, there isn’t as much of a reason to use slaughterer over the first two but it does get really high mixed horde dps

[pastel yew]

I'm not sure I've ever taken anything outside of BM

[tall torrent]

Because most of vet’s talents are +damage and slaughterer is +global strength

[pastel yew]

maybe I should try the other two

[tall torrent]

Sunder is mega op

BM is op but fun and needs u to build damage around

Sunder allows u to ignore the “carapace ends cleave” mechanic and do super safe mixed horde

And slaughterer is highest dps technically

[pastel yew]

oh thats kinda neat actually

I didnt know that

[tall torrent]

Like, you can just do this with sunder

[pastel yew]

I've not used the powersword since the health changes though so I have no experience with the weapon in current conditions

[pastel yew]

wait does the cleave change not requite you to heavy attack?

[tall torrent]

No

[pastel yew]

I would have assumed it did ngl

[tall torrent]

It’s the strongest cleave blessing in the game

[olive halo]

am I goıng crazy or are dreg ragers in expeditions insanely strong, like I saw a group of 4 ragers somehow disable my dodge??

[tall torrent]

Wrath vs sunder is like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[tall torrent]

They’re just normal Dreg ragers

[olive halo]

never had that happen in a regular game even after 600 hours which is really really weird

[pastel yew]

lag maybe? or some faulty geometry on your map tile you got stuck in

idk

[willow prairie]

probably stam broken

while blocking

[olive halo]

...that disables dodging?

[pastel yew]

oh yeah, if you block and have no stam you can get stuck

[willow prairie]

or you have outdated guaranteed weapon swap

[tall torrent]

Yea, check pinned guide

[willow prairie]

which have a bug thatske you unable to dodge or run

[tall torrent]

Guard break does a lot of things

[pastel yew]

its like dark souls, block with no stamina and you get fucked

[olive halo]

damn

I genuınely never had that happen before

[pastel yew]

blocking ragers is fucked anyway

[tall torrent]

Blocking ragers is ok

[pastel yew]

I do not want to lose all my stamina instantly

[tall torrent]

Just don’t block tank

[pastel yew]

especially with their funky double hits

can you still get hit through parry by that I wonder

[tall torrent]

Duelling sword maybe

[pastel yew]

iirc if you parried that double swing you'd parry the first then eat the second attack that hits immediately after

[tall torrent]

DC sword prob not

[olive halo]

it was power sword

[pastel yew]

darktide boomer back in my day the DS didnt even have parry 🧓

[tall torrent]

Cuz DC sword has 0.5s block linger into counterattack

[olive halo]

strong as hell but arguably my worst weapon

[pastel yew]

I hope we get a fun new vet weapon soon ;-;

I am condemned to use the combat blade and chain axe forever

[tame lodge]

Dclaw parry is also spammable

[pastel yew]

the parry on the dc would be so much more fun if the window was tighter and the reward much bigger

[tall torrent]

Power sword is cool to me because it gives u the tools to actually dps check pretty much everything in the game but you have low dodges, on a weak stamina class, and ur best single target costs 2 stam

[pseudo fiber]

Given what we learned today probably gonna have to cross the power axe off

[tall torrent]

And if u get stunned during a power cycler combo u also get fucked

(There is a secret trick to counter this)

[pastel yew]

if vet gets a power axe I'll use it but I am doubtful

[tall torrent]

What did we learn today

[pseudo fiber]

The next class hehe

By accident

[tall torrent]

Admech?

[pseudo fiber]

Yep

[pastel yew]

mechanicus confirmed DEFINTITELY FOR SURE THIS TIME GUYS

[pastel yew]

I really hope its not

I really hope its something fucking

weird

[tall torrent]

Oh.

[pastel yew]

how funny would it be if it was just some kinda rich boyo class

rogue trader crew member

[pseudo fiber]

Legit my reaction hahaha

[tall torrent]

Power sword p3

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-green-goblin-willem-dafoe-oh-oh-no-gif-26756247

[tame lodge]

There's a new family in town

Too bad it's not 2h

[pastel yew]

we have three 1h power swords, and two 2h ones... clearly we need ANOTHER + a vibro blade which is basically the same fucking thing

[tall torrent]

Weren’t there also strings found for lightning attacks that are not called by any psyker / shock related attacks in the game rn

[pastel yew]

WAAAH

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

Plus

[tall torrent]

Prob for arc rifle

[pastel yew]

electro priest would be so sick

[tall torrent]

Cool

[pseudo fiber]

"Spawn_helper_from_talent.lua" too

[tall torrent]

Wait

Hold up

If the new class can do obj without playing the mini games

He will be the best solo class

[pastel yew]

a servoskull

for your servoskull

[pseudo fiber]

There's also

[pastel yew]

I'd be a little surprised if they let a class bypass a basic mechanic though

[pseudo fiber]

Hold on let me find it

[tall torrent]

Psyker:

[tame lodge]

Downplaying solo runs by saying that they're running Red Robe class

[pastel yew]

they don't count

[pseudo fiber]

This too

[pastel yew]

presumably they'll have their own mechanic like hive scum

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-unbiased-reaction-gif-26047683

[tall torrent]

Hive scum:

[pastel yew]

some weird extra cybernetics layer

[serene bough]

Are these texts the new class

[pastel yew]

they mostly follow the rules!

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Not in this lifetime

[pastel yew]

most of that is resource generation anyhow rather than like, direct gameplay changes

[serene bough]

I see so admech it is

[tame lodge]

Presumably so

[pastel yew]

idk it'd be more akin to arbites dog

[serene bough]

At least very likely

[pastel yew]

freeing you from being pounced

I hope its not a puzzle solver though as I will literally play no other class

[tall torrent]

I think the newest hotfix borked the game on Linux

At least I wasn’t able to open it by clicking PLAY

[pseudo fiber]

Sowwy there we vo

[hollow pier]

There's this one 40k game where the Ad mech was basically a minion class. They summoned little drones. Maybe it'll be kinda like that

[pastel yew]

what a shame it would be if a lot of AMD users were playing on linux to have good performance

[tall torrent]

I’m on nvidia GPU and I use Linux lol

[pastel yew]

I think a lot of AMD users have been sorta soft forced into it

game runs terribly for certain amd gpus for whatever reason

[tall torrent]

game runs terribly for certain amd gpus for whatever reason

[pastel yew]

yes, but also no

ESPECIALLY bad, unplayably so

90% of the time theres a post about unplayable performance issues its an AMD gpu

[tall torrent]

Only thing I had to tweak for Linux specifically was disabling mesh streaming

[pastel yew]

I think total war had similar issues

not sure if thats still the case

[distant mural]

Both my friends tell me it runs terrible and they very good pcs

Nvidia and amd

Its just that a lot of newer games dont optimize they just expect u to have a nasa computer at this point

Look at helldivers going from 80 to like 40 gb

That coulve been done in the first place

[pseudo fiber]

Optimising for HDDs moment

[unreal nova]

It just runs bad. I get 50 avg on a 3060TI. On below low settings.

[sly orchid]

how does this relate to skitarii tho

i will continue coping

[pseudo fiber]

Oh it doesn't that's just class

Related stuff

Idk I just

I thought it was cool :(

[sly orchid]

exactly

were still getting techpriest

[potent talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-weakness-flesh-disgusted-warhammer-40k-gif-2527423007072874156

[sly orchid]

skitarii doesnt have any units it can just command around unless its an alpha i believe

so i will cope

[pseudo fiber]

Alpha subtree

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hmmmmmmm-4

[tall torrent]

Alpha, electro, then something else

Prob

Dats my guess

[potent talon]

Drones and more drones

Smaller drones then bigger drone

[pseudo fiber]

Ruststalker

[potent talon]

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

[sly orchid]

i just hope skitarii gets the crusher

theyre allowed power weapons like admech does

[sly orchid]

hactarii lmao

[teal canyon]

They made tank, DPS, next is healer or rogue

[arctic ridge]

Yea, as a tough enemy / boss debuff. Shoot, debuff & bleed & Krak for team to pile upon, & while they pile I target shoot down the other long-distant gun enemies.

[pastel yew]

mhm, the game generally runs bad but what I'm pointing out is that certain AMD gpus specifically have a much harder time of it despite relative performance power to nvidia gpus. you can google it if you'd like, this is fairly well doccumented at least in terms of huge amounts of people whining

I'm not entirely sure why darktide even performs all that poorly

[tall torrent]

Prob smth to do with stingray being very streaming heavy

[arctic ridge]

Is the hardware specs currently listed by the Steam Store page, effective for the game to run at its max as well as most effective?

[dire breach]

"Fixed an issue where the Veteran talent “Field Improvisation” awarded Blitz charges when obtaining ammo in a Deadsider Sanctuary."

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[tame lodge]

Haha

🫵

Haha

[pseudo fiber]

Most nothing change though fr

[pastel yew]

I am no where near educated enough to know this as I've not really tested the game on other hardware before and it seems very variable. Sometimes people with better cards perform worse. I'd suggest trying to google your specific card and seeing if anyone is having issues with it or is generally fine

[pastel yew]

I know some of this is an AMD driver issue, some people had reported that downgrading to a particular old AMD driver fixed a lot of the issues

[tall torrent]

Depends on what kind of visuals / framerate u want ?

[pastel yew]

but unfortunately I've also heard that fix might not even work anymore as even if your game runs better the driver too outdated and causes other crashes with your system

[arctic ridge]

Jeez.

Ouch.

[tall torrent]

I have 4070ti super and get 150~220fps with FG2x

[arctic ridge]

Is 60fps its natural?

[pastel yew]

I think 60 is like the standard for non competitive shooters

[tall torrent]

FG actually works pretty well for this game cuz it’s actually a CPU bottleneck in intense hordes

[tall torrent]

It depends because this game’s 1% lows are horrible

So ur 60fps might actually feel like a 43fps

[pastel yew]

I've not noticed any artifacting with frame gen I dont think which is an issue with other titles

[arctic ridge]

Pox Gas event, really was the worst to endure.

[pastel yew]

I do kinda hate that its becoming the standard for gaming

"performance fine with frame gen" in modern games feels rough

[tall torrent]

There is minor artifact with DLSS FG and more noticeable artifacts with FSR FG

[tall torrent]

It was peak

I think FG is good if the game is CPU bottleneck in its most demanding cases && u can normally sustain 60+ base fps

[pseudo fiber]

Darktide with DLSS5 baby

Very frighteningly hyper realistic "whats all this then" morrow

[real stag]

Ogryn gang dlss5

[tame lodge]

Ogryn becomes The Rock with dlss5

[pastel yew]

.... I dont like this ;-;

dlss5 is such a crazy thing for nvidia to drop and just expect people to like.

"you guys dont want your games looking like all that ai gen slop art that everyone has been criticizing for as long as its been around?"

[heavy rover]

If only AMD released FSR4 for previous gen GPUs

[tall torrent]

Wait what

Is this real?

[pseudo fiber]

No

You're good

[tall torrent]

I don’t care for 5

[pseudo fiber]

Scary to think about it know

[tall torrent]

Do want 4.5 tho

[unreal nova]

The min is a lie, the reccomended one is the min for most parts.

[arctic ridge]

Yea, usually.

[unreal nova]

1% lows? You mean 7 FPS.

[unreal nova]

Well, you get more than 15 FPS in gas on gas, I guess.

[tall torrent]

It basically was “what if we made havoc but good (but covered in gas)”

[unreal nova]

But nobody wants the gas part though.

Everything else is fine.

[serene bough]

I do hate smoke and tox gas screwing with my vision

[gilded pike]

i think it's them being high on their own supply of REALISTIC YOUTUBE VIDEO CYBERPUNK 2077 (we put filters on)

honestly the gimmick isn't as annoying as them helping kill the pc industry and dreaming of some godawful subscription service

[tall torrent]

The worst part is that it doesn’t look good
It’s weirdly reflective, greasy, and doesn’t respect the original artist’s vision

[tough nova]

Gaming represents a negligible amount of their income they dgaf

[tall torrent]

I just want 4.5 native in game tbh

[pastel yew]

prices skyrocketed for your slop filter... dont you love it?

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its objectively horrible looking

and I can almost guarantee that its not consistant in its presentation

faces are likely to change slightly each time you look away

[tall torrent]

4.5 was genuinely good to look at even if it’s ~10% less fps than 4

[pastel yew]

I've not seen any screenshots of 4.5

but if it can remove artifacting, maintain how the game looks without it, and still boost fps

then yeah that sounds great

[gilded pike]

and it isn't actually gonna crash when the company does lol

[tall torrent]

It’s like if dlss4 was more confident in presenting what it’s trying to show

It’s the best way to describe it

DLSS4 is good but has shimmering visuals with grids etc

DLSS4.5 improves on ghosting, light reflections, looks sharper & more refined

[snow gazelle]

So true

[willow prairie]

preset m have way more artifact imo

the other one is way more performance intensive

I just stick with preset k

[rocky vine]

Hotshot laz, plasma gun gets reworked to work lore accurately, we get 2 marks of melta gun, belt fed machine gun and a heavy bolter for veteren

[tall torrent]

I had that issue before
Then I adjusted my monitor’s sharpening

And it looked way better

[turbid ibex]

hotshit las

dogshit las

[iron parcel]

Helbore good or nah? I like snipey with vet but wondering if number keeps up or if I should just go with a kantealel las or smth

[turbid ibex]

helbore good

way better than ilas

[iron parcel]

Nice.

Name checks out

😭

When I stopped people were raving over ilas but I assumed havoc fucks with breakpoints

[turbid ibex]

nah ilas is just kinda mid

[steep flower]

And ppl still don’t use it
Hellbore Paradox

[steep flower]

Thats why you aim for efficiency not breakpoints in Havoc

[tall torrent]

Because it’s just way more dependent on having good frontliners to do well

Most people are not good at frontlining

[steep flower]

I would not say ‚way more’; still dependant cause charge mechanic & swap ready spd but not by a large margin - that statement would be valid before hellbore got its swap spd sped up

[somber axle]

Did people see the notes on field improv for expeditions and the change to plasma cleave

[mystic pilot]

wait what

[tall torrent]

It’s more that, without good frontliners, u get stuck in melee (with subpar melee performance too cuz sniper vet’s opportunity cost is abysmal) near 40~50% of the time which is really not ideal for a backline sniping specializing kind of build

[mystic pilot]

did they make ANOTHER hange to plasm cleave?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[somber axle]

It's mostly bug fixes to stop all the crashing but they made it so dead team mates no longer contribute to the "half team" requirement for extracting and sanctuary gates

You can solo now

As for plasma

[tall torrent]

9.45 changed to >18

[mystic pilot]

oh 9.5 was a mistake

[somber axle]

That's before Withering Fire too

[tall torrent]

Idk why 18 specifically

[somber axle]

Plasma will still have a ton of cleave on hip fire

[tall torrent]

U don’t need withering fire on plasma

[somber axle]

Oh also field improv is losing the funny magic of the ammo 10 salvage sanctuary box replenishing everyone's grenades

[tall torrent]

Another L to field improv

[mystic pilot]

only for expeditions

[hybrid plover]

Why was this even necessary 😭

[mystic pilot]

so it doesn't affect the talent when resupplying from a dropped ammo crate yes?

[hybrid plover]

Field improv is already kinda niche

[somber axle]

No idea LOL but it was funny seeing people get excited to see a Vet in the squad for almost free grenade refreshes at the sanctuaries

[somber axle]

It still does ammo crates just not the ammo box at the sanctuary

[gilded wraith]

Wonder if improv ammo crate use will refill improved grenade (purchased).

[steep flower]

Age of consent

[tall torrent]

Because field improv needed the L and fatshark delivered it

[tall torrent]

I was gonna make this joke but decided not to

[somber axle]

Btw Auspex sound effects are going in

I wonder if you can spam them

[hybrid plover]

Leave the funny utility talents alone

[steep flower]

You should loosen up more

[hybrid plover]

I really don't think it was imbalanced that field improv could do that

[somber axle]

If you can spam click multiple points to make lots of sounds people are going to get goofy with it LOL

[hybrid plover]

Let us have fun dammit.

[steep flower]

Nah; it was unintended bug; no L

[somber axle]

Also something about making the jumps easier for expedition platforming

[hybrid plover]

I really think this is one of those cases where a bug should have just stayed a feature

It's not like it really was that big of a deal since you don't run into any nade pickups anyway

[tall torrent]

Nah being able to refill nades at 1/5th the cost was obviously too overpowered

[hybrid plover]

[tall torrent]

Definitely more overpowered than psyker and hive scum

For sure

[somber axle]

People will have to commit to buying and carrying an ammo crate for the refill now if they want the field improv benefit

[hybrid plover]

I should have known you were just pulling my chain

[somber axle]

Swagger got tired of being scammed out of grenades by every Vet

[gilded wraith]

HS aren't the only pick pockets.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah.

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[hybrid plover]

I mean loose cannon

Is right there

[somber axle]

I like how loose cannon gets along with the Hive Scum and makes the Arbites mad LOL

[tall torrent]

I wish vet could get Valkyrie fire support as an actual ability

Instead of infiltrate

[hybrid plover]

Loose cannon feels more like a hive scum than outlaw Hive Scum

[somber axle]

Honestly after seeing it in expeditions yeah agreed

The artillery fire has also been fun to use

[tall torrent]

It’s kinda weird they’ve not yet made an ability that’s just “toss a marker for an air strike” yet

[somber axle]

Probably just because Masozi sneaking an airstrike into the roofed in area by the Nurgle tree would be really funny

But it looks fine for expeditions being an open map

It's also partially the Vet not having the authority

[tall torrent]

They should replace infiltrate with deathstrike missile

Where veteran calls in a deathstrike missile and blow up the entire map + 14 neighbouring hab blocks

[potent crypt]

Hello folks. Is Power Falchion viable? What is dump stat?

[tame lodge]

Viable

Mobility usually

[tall torrent]

Useable, not great
Mobility is dump
Check pinned guide, I have falchion updated

[potent crypt]

Thank you @tall torrent !!

Does anyone have any recommendations or a link to an updated tier list of melee weapons? Shovel and chainsword are my fav and im curious where they land

[split grove]

i see a lot of h40 vets swapping to is it agri shot?

Did plasma explode?

[somber axle]

Plasma hip fire dropped from like 50 cleave or something to 9 with the Expeditions update but the new patch is bringing it up to 18

The cleave is fine but I guess a few saw number go down and got scared

[split grove]

i agri shotty higher?

[somber axle]

Shotguns were not changed afaik

[empty lily]

has anyone had a bug where exec stance goes on an infinite cooldown

[somber axle]

With the Manstopper blessing they've got infinite cleave but I don't think I've heard of it being popular

[mystic pilot]

Charged plasma shot explode but its relatively a small radius

[tame lodge]

Base cleave is like 4 to 6.5 iirc

Nowhere close to plasma

[split grove]

dunno why it's so popular in my lobbies rn

did wep spec do something

[tame lodge]

Because Agripina shotgun is good

And Manstopper is infinite cleave

WS guarantees CRIT + reload

[somber axle]

Maybe a youtuber released a H40 Shotgun video

[mystic pilot]

Its a fairly high damage, if youre referring to plasma

[tame lodge]

Also

Really funny how Fatshark don't know their game

[tall torrent]

I could make one and upset a lot of people

[tall torrent]

No lmao it’s 2.5

[tame lodge]

Damn that's lower

[tame lodge]

Just put the Power Sword in the S tier dawg

And everything else on the square hole

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[somber axle]

Plasma, Vraks IAG and Helbores are going to be on top for sure but the real question is what is at the bottom

[tame lodge]

Dclaw Mk1

[somber axle]

Shredder Autopistol at the bottom because I can't really think of any ranged weapons that feel weak in the Vet arsenal other than that one

Oh wait Braced Autos

[tall torrent]

Ogryn guns

lol

[somber axle]

That's fair

[hollow ibex]

SAP is ok tbh

[somber axle]

I was thinking just Vet weapons but if it is all that makes it potentially a lot funnier

[somber axle]

Yeah even that isn't terrible, just not good

[hollow ibex]

Wouldn’t say that. It’s a somewhat weaker mini Vraks

[tame lodge]

Kickback is the only S++ Ogryn weapon and I will not hear otherwise

Still suffers from being a shotgun though

Do you need damage? It has it
Do you need ammo? It has it
Do you need stagger? It has it

[orchid hemlock]

Do you need Deez?

It has it 😈

[tame lodge]

Trivago

[tame lodge]

Do you need a melee with ~40 cleave

Well uh it needs a blessing for that but sure

[willow prairie]

it's not that bad

[orchid hemlock]

Psykers:

"What's cleave?"

[willow prairie]

you have the best horde clear out of the 3 and second in single target damage

[tame lodge]

No reliable strikedown
No flak damage

[willow prairie]

mk4 is the ass one

[orchid hemlock]

Never heard of her

[willow prairie]

there is a strike down combo

similar to mk7

[tame lodge]

Yeah not reliable

[willow prairie]

but you do have to do 1 more hit before looping

[willow prairie]

you can start it from push attack

but 1 less strike down hit

[tame lodge]

Yeah not reliable

[willow prairie]

the worst one is mk4

fym not reliable

[tame lodge]

Look how many steps you have to take

[willow prairie]

also all 3 dclaw have zero fucking flak damage so that isn't a downside compare to other mark

[willow prairie]

literally the same as mk7

bruh

except 1 more hit to loop

[tame lodge]

Also who tf puts a strikedown on the third part of a combo

[tame lodge]

Yeah but that's a dclaw flaw which already makes it bottom tier

[willow prairie]

so again its second in single target damage while having best horde clear out of the 3

[tame lodge]

Just put the Hsword in the bag

[willow prairie]

since you don't have to use light at all for horde clear

mk4 is significantly worse

your only single target move is h1 and bc isn't fast on dclaw

worst parry follow up

[tall torrent]

VII is the best DC sword and also coolest moveset in the game

Unfortunately DC sword dps meh at best

[willow prairie]

I'm just defending mk1 tbh

since it isn't that much worse than mk7

while having best horde clear out of the 3

[willow prairie]

no flak adm and carapace damage moment

[tall torrent]

It’s not even good vs unyielding either

Just cooked

[willow prairie]

even then it still don't have amazing damage against most thing

yeah

[tame lodge]

Just put the dclaw in the trash dawg

[willow prairie]

which is why i love dclaw on scum tbh

a lot of thing get resolved by toxin

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Hey Path
Where do you put the hammer post buff?

[tall torrent]

Better than before
Still not good

Compared to falchion, TH buffs actually noticeable

But

[willow prairie]

thammer main problem isn't maniac damage

[tall torrent]

Still bad stagger

And self stun is ass

And activated attacks are not enough damage

And heavy sweep’s cleave distribution is meh

[willow prairie]

on god the week where they broke stagger is like the best thing happened to thammer

[tall torrent]

And block cost is dogshit (worst in game)

[willow prairie]

sure it still have bad clear time but its way safer

[tall torrent]

Yea I was like “wait they made TH good?”

[willow prairie]

this never make sense to me

[tame lodge]

Kek

Yeah

If anything 2h should be better

At blocking

[willow prairie]

i just wish its like vt2 gh at least

[tame lodge]

But big fish big brain said Nuh uh

[willow prairie]

it doesn't have the best damage cleave but a lot of stagger cleave

which make it really good at horde control

also make light actually useful

[tall torrent]

I wish its light attacks actually did high carapace damage

[willow prairie]

yeah like fucking uh

their previous game

[lime pendant]

Hey anyone here realize that the combat shotgun mk 7 when fired as fast as possible has the same rhythm as Mr Blue Sky by ELO?

[tame lodge]

I don't listen to them so no

[somber axle]

Yeah I remember making silly talent tree set ups pre-Crusher HP buff to hunt Crushers with it purely to make groups confused when it worked LOL

Last night I did an Auric HiSTG and ran Vraks IAG with my old Recon tree but swapped Shock Trooper for Killzone and it was funny how much faster it killed everything everywhere

Vraks is just so strong

[lime pendant]

https://youtu.be/wuJIqmha2Hk?si=kHHOmE3URNJ7tn3Q

This is like listening to Barbie Girl while slaughtering heretics. It's a fun little song to listen to while committing an emperor sanctioned genocide.

[tame lodge]

Oh this one

Yeah I know this song

Didn't know the name

[twin sapphire]

i like to shoot it to the rhythm of whatever is playing in the mission, it goes great with the gauntlet

[hollow ibex]

Feels pretty good to just tap something on the head, brrrrrrt, and things dead

[atomic summit]

I play city pop while I murder heretics

[silver patrol]

more like city poop

[tame lodge]

I play 1 hour of cartoon sounds when murdering heretics

[pallid jetty]

thats funny

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ofergang-daniel-gif-25330530

[somber axle]

Yeah but it's in the same spot as Plasma in my head. It feels so strong that it feels like it makes encounters feel too easy sometimes. Fun to run occasionally but I can't imagine being married to using the weapon 24/7

[somber axle]

Helbores are still fun despite feeling so strong for me just because they're awkward and if you don't have someone keeping the heat off you to let you shoot it ends up being more fun trying to dance around and get off important shots

[slow sky]

I think you can summarize this much better
"Helbore is fun because its strong but you still have to play the game"

[tame lodge]

I played 3 matches like that and had a massive headache right after

[somber axle]

Yeah that's much better phrased

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-warhammer40k-truthnuke-truth-nuke-gif-1489307707648900771

[slow spade]

"Helbore user detected, triple the Bulwark budget"

[somber axle]

I miss Rumbling Giants tbh

Everything is Bulwarks, Crushers and Reapers. Time to spawn 20 Poxbursters from all angles too

And watching the angry Arbites getting bounced around like a ping pong ball when the ogryns die and drop grenades

[serene bough]

I skipped that event

I get tired of crusher and bulwark spam

[somber axle]

That's fair I just love fighting Ogryns

It's extra fun when you can consistently 1 tap Bulwarks and Reapers, and 2 tap Crushers