veteran-class

[manic moon]

i feels so much better to play the wep after the buff

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1485413518076411957/image.png?ex=69c469a4&is=69c31824&hm=abdafd6476ab546689de164be226dc796320a804eb68acdc265098b2861a598b&

[amber cliff]

Hellbore stocks are on the rise..

I’ve seen 6 in the wild

It’s a good day

[hollow pier]

One of my favorite melee weapons lol

[willow prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1486101239031795803/5F7A931.MP4?ex=69c4efe1&is=69c39e61&hm=ab19b66d857c9d0f81cb53b5d83df77b3519daa0fcaf1673d430b8adf2618de0&

[serene bough]

Nice

[steep flower]

Why ranged cleave da fuk

[pseudo fiber]

ask path makes lasgun decent enough

[tame lodge]

2.25 cleave

That's like

Agripina 1 levels of cleave

2.1

And since Agri1 is my favorite IAG

Path

[steep flower]

Inagine shooting a horde with inf lasgun

[steep flower]

Just take field improv & you’ll be good

[pseudo fiber]

Probably

[steep flower]

💯 mah boi

[somber axle]

Probably to offset the weakness to Flak

Oh wait cleave I'm dumb LOL

Yeah that's silly probably should just go Field Improv instead

[tame lodge]

Idk

Field Improv is also one of those idk picks

That being said

Nothing on that row matters

[somber axle]

Ranged Cleave is at best giving you one more groaner on an iLas right?

Vs free grenades on ammo kit and corruption heal on medkit

It's not enough to get you past an extra poxwalker because of the hit mass

Field Improv is doing more especially for expeditions where it gives free grenades to everyone on ammo pick up at the sanctuary too

[tame lodge]

Vs free possibility of grenades and corruption heal on medkit

[tame lodge]

Nah

1.5 cleave base

Groaner is 1.25 mass

You already shoot through 1

But then again
That row is buns

Pick your poison

[serene bough]

I wouldnt run range cleave on inf las

[unreal nova]

Really good in expeditions. Hilariously makes 'nade refills for the team 10 salvage.

[serene bough]

Lately ive been running this w/ IIb ghost + HH w/ unarmored & maniac

Id prob make adjustments were i to use in havoc

[somber axle]

So Withering Fire is doing actually nothing LOL

For the iLas at least

[tame lodge]

It's increasing your 1.5 cleave to 2.25

[somber axle]

Maybe they keep it that way to swap Helbore without having to redo the tree

[tame lodge]

[somber axle]

But it's such a waste of a point otherwise

[tame lodge]

Possible

Since they share pretty much the same build

Unless you're FT Helbore instead of MMF

[somber axle]

But then the rending looks off for Helbore

Unless you're using the IIIa with the lower ADM vs Carapace is there any purpose to rending for the Helbores?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[somber axle]

Would still need to swap talent points around anyway

[muted elk]

its a shame they nerfed the plas guns cleave on normal shots

lol nobody ever uses charged.. i havent seen it being used once bc it takes too long to do it, if they made it an instant shot that took twice the ammo itd be better, like just an alt fire. or add an alt fire that burns ammo by 0.25 a second and adds heat but during this stage you can fire infinite . mayeb thatd be a good mechanic for a melta or something

a alt fire that changes the rate of ammo consumption in exchange for more or less strength and stuff would be neat. or a infinite ammo ranged option for non psykers, like volkite pistol or smth that doesnt need reloading

tbh ill probably never play vet again

Im hoping out on copium they nerfed it because theyre adding a plasma pistol which will have infinite cleave on the regular shot, but the secondary fire is like aimed plas shotgun

[pseudo fiber]

No they should have done that

Infact it made literally no noticeable difference to plasmas performance

And even if it did they added a new node that gives 50% ranged cleave anyway

[muted elk]

U cant shoot through infintie enemies anymore xd

[solar elk]

We need a plasma pistol so bad

[muted elk]

going from infinite to 50% seems like a bit of a nerf but yeah

[muted elk]

tru, plasma pistol thats as snappy and quick as the gun and bolt pistol woudl be sooo good

[pseudo fiber]

If you want any copium they slowed down the draw speed to add a plasma pistol

Since plasma had a surprisingly fast one

[muted elk]

yeah

it was amazing

they got rid of that?

damn rip

i loved how quick it came out

they better add a plas pistol now 😭

idgaf id pay for dlc weapons tbh

[solar elk]

Fr

Maybe we will get it before the next class comes in

[pseudo fiber]

No we won't

[pseudo fiber]

They already said no to thay

[arctic ridge]

Since the recent patch -- what's the current meta shelf for veteran Curios enroute to the Havoc 40 endgame & their modifier rotations?

I managed to snag 3x 17-toughness curios, 3x 3-stamina curios, & finally 1x 21-health curio.

I'm looking to minimize respecing my curios.

Would 3 17-toughness curios be over-redundant, compared to 2 + 21-health?

Does combat ability cooldown have a place in Havoc 40 veteran curios?

[solar elk]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

3x toughness is a noob trap

1x hp is basically mandatory

if not 2x

[solar elk]

Fr

[fair shale]

I run 1x hp, 2x toughness with 3x HP, toughness, and gunner resist

[arctic ridge]

With the recent 0-penalty to the Shout-revive -- only 1 or no need for revive-ally?

[arctic ridge]

Gunner resist, while I figure mandatory given the hail I get from Auric & Maelstrom -- was wondering whether 2 or just 1 would suffice.

[solar elk]

1

[fair shale]

I notice when I don't have 3

It's personal taste tho

[solar elk]

Most stats are not additive

[tall torrent]

ur prob gonna want 3 in havoc

[arctic ridge]

I haven't began to spec my top-gain curios yet -- but so far my current curio set up

Toughness -- Combat Ability, Toughness, stamina
Toughness -- Combat Ability, Toughness, Gunner
Health -- Combat Ability, Revive, Gunner

[void dragon]

Isn't 3 excessive for how they stack together? Having +hp isn't better I take?

[arctic ridge]

& with the Havoc modifier rotations, was wondering what other Toughness/Health curio setups can be useful for swapping.

[toxic reef]

3 gunner is great on havoc ye

[arctic ridge]

3x all the latter? if I'm reading right.

[tall torrent]

3 gives u almost 2x durability vs gunners

[toxic reef]

I usually bring a stam instead of the 2nd toughness, because of the tons of block/push attacks I do with power sword

[arctic ridge]

Yea, this is my own experience.

So, combat ability curio, in Havoc 40? That on the wayside?

[void dragon]

So what is the curios perk spread? I think the guide only puts 2 gunner resist

(Also, would be the same for Hscum?)

[arctic ridge]

2 gunner resists, yes.

3 +5 toughness

2x revive

and 2 +5 health.

But the revive could be swapped? If a node is taken for the recent Revive-Shout, I wonder.

[void dragon]

Yeah but path saying here that 3gunner resist is worth taking, so want to know how is the set up, maybe remove that HP one?

[void dragon]

It still helps with clutches to res from rescue zones

[arctic ridge]

True.

[arctic ridge]

I'd guess so? Or a typo?

[tall torrent]

I hav 3x toughness, 3x health, 3x gunner, with 2x toughness & 1x health blessing atm

[arctic ridge]

If I'm reading this right, 2 tough + 1 health curio?

[fair shale]

Aye, yeah

[tall torrent]

yea

[fair shale]

Same deal, Ham put me on to it

[tall torrent]

toughness is not as good as people think it is
esp in havoc u need quite a large amount of it to make a difference

[arctic ridge]

So other 3, survivability on havoc, I presume

having more weight than combat cooldown curio perk.

[tall torrent]

the only thing this loses out on is stamina management

[void dragon]

You think this is better than the set up on the guide? Are there changes for the zealot too? And what about ally revive? Isn't it worth now?

[tall torrent]

it's rly just preference

[fair shale]

Ally revive is fantastic

I just prefer Not DyingTM

[tall torrent]

however

in vt2 u ran block partly for reviving people

because the biggest threat to preventing that was getting guard broken

in dt the biggest threat is prob getting toughness broken

because u can pretty much always use AOE stagger tools to get revives in this game

[arctic ridge]

There be any particular 40 modifiers by themselves or in combination, that would call for some curio perk swapping?

[tall torrent]

meh not rly

[turbid ibex]

Hi path

[boreal zenith]

i feel like i literally cannot pass a mission unless i take the bolter and just spraydown any elites that come at us. otherwise my teammates all die

[turbid ibex]

Path why was it again that you didnt consider arby shock maul to be on the tier of rashad, power sword and fgs again?

I remember you explained it before but i forgot

[thorn lark]

looks like a phallus tbh

[fair shale]

The fuck kinda phallus are you looking at

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn c😋ck

[tall torrent]

It’s not as high dps as those 3

And has quite low dodge distance

[turbid ibex]

I see

[jovial yarrow]

The problem with taking revive shout instead of revive speed is revive shout does not help with nets, ledges or rescuing respawned characters.

Which makes the point spent on it feel very situational

[willow prairie]

low bosses damage too

[toxic reef]

I wish I had 1 point to spare to do revive talent for havoc

[willow prairie]

it is what it is

also playing mmf helbore make me better at defend

ok i just found gold

[tame lodge]

It was never infinite

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[willow prairie]

scum and vet literally got buffed this patch

[tawny timber]

Expeditions are getting so bad

Last several games I've been the only person who goes to the extract zone once timer ends and we're getting corrupted

It's like I either get a really solid team or complete idiots

[arctic ridge]

At least you can reach the end of the map.

This one map, I've crash 9/10 times, every time when inside the Swagger sanctuary room the 2nd instance.

[tawny timber]

I've heard a lot of people are getting crashes. Strangely, I have had none

[arctic ridge]

I've only finished the map, once, due to a lucky quickplay when everyone was at the extract zone.

[steep flower]

Lucky you; i crashed before extracting

[tawny timber]

Honestly, it's probably better that way because some of these teams are complete dog water

Like they literally don't even notice the timer

[bold sierra]

failed H40 run, but did pretty well with Inf Lasgun + Exec Stance, Blight spread just shredded all my team's HP.

[tawny timber]

My last one, I was the only one who went to the extraction zone when our bars were completely corrupted. They were still fighting random hoards and then when everyone died, they blamed it on me

[void dragon]

Been there, some got even mad that I started the extraction like I triggered the corruption damage

Fragging karkers

[tawny timber]

Me when I don't understand basic mechanics

[vestal lotus]

80% damage, 8% ammo, 80% therm resist, 71% charge rate, 74% Stop power. What is this plasma gun

[scarlet pelican]

Veteran mains, saw vet got a ”new” weapon, power falchion? Is it nice or no?

[vestal lotus]

I've seen it, yet to touch it.

[tame lodge]

Mid tier

It exists

And it's there

[scarlet pelican]

Ah weirdchamp

What yall use anyway these days?

[vestal lotus]

Knif, shovl, and de plasma.

[tame lodge]

It does kill stuff though

So yeah feel free to use it

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 24/7

Rashad Combat Axe

[scarlet pelican]

Ngl im a bit torn between Plasma gun or recon lasgun both are so fun ti use

Recon is a bit scab Gunner roleplay

[vestal lotus]

I've been seeing recon

[somber axle]

Helbore mostly, more Infantry Lasgun after the update and sometimes Recon

[void dragon]

does the buff made it decent enough to compeete with the chain axes?

[tame dragon]

I use infantry lasgun these days. And because of the Voice of command changes, not straight nerf because the nodes were buffed, I started using executioners stance.

[tame lodge]

Unlikely

It ended up amounting to extra 3% damage iirc

[void dragon]

the it is still dodo trash

i cry

[slow sky]

Helbore/inflas mmf exe stance
Shovel double barrel weapon specialist

[scarlet pelican]

Ah was helbore buffed? Think i used it 1.5 years ago but dont think it was very good back then

[coarse orbit]

50% cleave nod helps alot i heard

[slow sky]

It got some pretty good buffs a couple patches ago

A much faster swap to action time and higher finesse

Thats about it but it really does a lot for it

2 shotting crushers in havoc 40 on an exe mmf build

One shotting everything else

And with the swap speed node youre going from pulling out the weapon to charging it in like .5s

[coarse orbit]

What does mmf mean?

[slow sky]

The animation didnt change, just the moment you can start an action, so if you recall the equip animation, you can start charging it when they begin to move the knob on the side

Marksmans focus

Keystone

[coarse orbit]

Ah

Im dumb, thanks

[narrow frost]

It's all good, darktide has alot of shortened names

if you dont have 1k hours on all classes you wont know them all

[coarse orbit]

Too many acronyms man 😔

[narrow frost]

yeah

just ask what they are

[coarse orbit]

Already have 1k + hours and still won’t remember lol

[narrow frost]

SG can often help proc WR so psyker can kill BoN faster then a Cspawn because of the 20% damage increase

we can be a bit special

here

[scarlet pelican]

Oh damn thats nice

[scenic vapor]

From now on we call the all the enemies by the codes that the vet gives them

[tame lodge]

I only remember TRAXIS 12

Yeah? Traxis 12

Also like

Omega Minoris

[scenic vapor]

How about Traxis 77?

[meager plover]

hey, any tips and build to do Make every shot count Penance ?

[tame lodge]

Hit your shots

ahem

Double Barrel shotgun

Always M2

That should do it

[slow sky]

No survivalist
Double barrel
Shoot as much as you can into groups
Have a melee build for when you run outta ammo

[tame lodge]

Oh also once you hit 0 ammo

Don't swap to your ranged anymore

[scarlet pelican]

Think thats arbites no

[last marten]

the acronyms 😭

[tame lodge]

Arbites used Sextus Minoris

In this case
Traxis 12 is Loose Cannon being wrong

Because there's no Traxis 12

[scarlet pelican]

Ah ye trapper is like traxis 77 or something

Idk hear him yell sometimes

[tame lodge]

Omega Minoris is pretty easy

Daemonhost!

Omega Minoris 77 is also pretty easy
Mr. Beeeeeeeeeeast of Nurgle

[serene bough]

Which one is sigma something something

Is that the dog

[tall torrent]

Sigma minoris 33

[serene bough]

Ty

[slow sky]

SEXTUS MINORIS 107 🗣️

[grand agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583894096058253354/1437324660135166093/20251110_033609.gif

[slow sky]

Cant believe arbites is such a nonce
Having sextus with 107 minorises

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/jaejoongxd-bat-cute-eating-banana-gif-10852133524311780151

[pallid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[tame lodge]

Only more evidence that they are mid

[heavy rover]

Traxis something something with a net

[boreal zenith]

for sword mk6 whats my best attack combo against hordes? just active and 3 lights?

[serene bough]

Yeah

3 lights, block cancel, 3 lights

[warm summit]

Hello

I recently started using armorsbane and infernus on my mk 5 helbore lasgun but I'm noticing headshots arnt setting them on fire but it happens occasionally when I shoot something else

The hecks going on I thought infernus triggers on critical hits do headshots not count?

[toxic reef]

I wouldn't infernus on anything without a high rof

[tough nova]

It does proc on critical hits you either aren't noticing or aren't critting

[boreal zenith]

so i should be block canceling after every combo?

[serene bough]

The combo is L1 L2 L3 BC repeat

For horde clear

[boreal zenith]

power up though right?

[serene bough]

Yeah

[tough nova]

The weapon is useless without empowered attacks

[boreal zenith]

ok

[serene bough]

Just in case you dont already know: always run power cycler

[flat nexus]

@thorny sluice

[thorny sluice]

thats such a based name

[flat nexus]

There should be like a hotline for something for goobers...

[tame lodge]

1st
Poor blessing choice
2nd
Infernus is on crits, headshots aren't crits

There is

Body
Critical Body
Weakspot
Critical Weakspot

It seems like you're assuming that headshot (weakspot) is automatically a crit

Which isn't the case

[boreal zenith]

do u ever push before the light combo?

[serene bough]

Sometimes if I need space

If still for hordes I do Push BC L1 L2 L3 BC

[hollow ibex]

BC Push is good if you can afford to wait a bit

[serene bough]

But for single target PA Light Light

[hollow ibex]

It’s a very smooth action

[boreal zenith]

how do u bc the push

im trying to do it but its not working

[hollow ibex]

You charge BC and push

So just instead of letting go the block

You push

Basically all at once

[boreal zenith]

do i also bc after the push?

the push seems to change the combo, unless i bc after the push, then it resets to the original combo

[arctic ridge]

Preferable blessings for the Spearhead Boltgun in Auric difficulty? ( & if also comfortable Maelstrom).

For my regular squad, boltgun mainly targeting the shooting enemies, while Krak deal with the armored heavyset tank-enemies.

[somber axle]

I use Pinning Fire/Surgical

[hollow ibex]

Idk what combo you’re using but for horde clear you don’t need to

Light spam is light spam

[boreal zenith]

melee is too hard lmao. wow

ragers/maulers just annihilate me

[hollow ibex]

Well psword will force you to get better at melee

[boreal zenith]

im trying to stop crutching on the bolter

[warm summit]

That would explain it thanks I'll need to revamp that blessing

[arctic ridge]

Am running, Shattering Impact + Puncture. SI to debuff bosses for team damage.

Had wondered whether SI+Puncture was effective in Auric & Auric Maelstrom, or a different boltgun blessing combo is needed.

[somber axle]

I think Shattering Impact was for a Crusher breakpoint iirc? And Puncture helps with a few too that it's just short of reaching. I use Pinning Fire/Surgical because you hit max stacks on your first shot into an elite as long as anything is around it and with the guaranteed crit from Surgical I can more reliably hit those breakpoints. Pinned guide recommends all four of those and leaves it up to preference

Tbh my knowledge on the Crusher breakpoint with Shattering is definitely outdated for sure. I remember that test being pre-Crusher HP buff

It probably still noticeably helps

Just not sure on the specifics

Boltgun already has 100% Unyielding ADM according to the guide so Shattering Impact isn't making a significant difference for bosses

I guess the brittleness helps if you have a squadmate running a weapon with low Unyielding ADM into the boss?

[tame lodge]

Or the brittle helps bleed adms

[somber axle]

Oh true

I forgot about that but I'm not sure about any breakpoints you hit with that combo

[tame lodge]

I like how in #🐦tweets-sermons the falchion gets stuck into something

But it looks like the stalker just tanked that

[faint beacon]

King of Mid

[tame dragon]

What's a good melee to pair with the Infantry lasgun? Besides the power sword/shovel for now. I don't need armor breaking at the moment.

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is nice

Best melee for ranged vet builds basically

[tame dragon]

Dump stat as mobility I suppose

[tall torrent]

ye
check pinned guide, I have details updated for tac axe & some other weapons

[tame dragon]

Aw sick, I never have to ask again

[jovial yarrow]

i like the combat knife for ranged focus builds.
Feels kit appropriate.

[hexed trail]

I have the least experience in vet
Can someone recommend me a havoc viable helbore build?

Need something to motivate me to use vet because I never use vet

[hollow ibex]

Pins has one

First pin

[viral nacelle]

Knife. Keeps you quick so you can GTFO, can handle most threats

[hollow ibex]

Knife needs melee investment

Which you’ll be lacking in a ranged build

Taxe needs basically nothing

And has close mobility

[flint iris]

you can swap to shout whenever you need to for havoc if no one else is taking gold toughness.

Dont put armorbane on your hellbore like me, I personally find it useful but you just put on weight of fire like everybody else

or hot shot, I like the cleave for getting an annoying special through the horde

[hollow ibex]

This looks good but I would really really avoid skipping shock trooper

Esp for kill zone

[flint iris]

yeah i usually run shock zone, but someone told me skirmisher is worth it

[hexed trail]

I'll try that out whenever I get back on
Thank you

[flint iris]

wait is this new

why dont i remember that

[shell harness]

yeah, it's new

[flint iris]

let me guess this + hotshot still isnt enough cleave for hellbore

[shell harness]

No idea, I tried it in the psykanium with just withering fire and it cleaved a rager and shotgun guy

[flint iris]

Im gonnaa have to search this chat if "Bring it down! +20% damage to ogryns and monstrosities" is worth the 4 point investment for other nodes that do naff all

[hollow ibex]

Skirmisher is really good yeah. I’d just drop killzone or elite damage for shock personally

[hollow ibex]

Eh you need one toughness node anyway

BID is good

[hexed trail]

From my last game on it felt alright but I was playing auric

[flint iris]

so fucking frustrating how tight veterans tree is

[azure zephyr]

What a time to be alive to see that Infantry Lasguns are this effective.

[flint iris]

If I dont take an aura does it give you a lower tier survivalist?

[tame lodge]

9 cleave is actually good

[flint iris]

yeah just been testing it in the psykanium

seems decent

[tame lodge]

Nope

It'll probably consider it invalid build

And reset back to whatever was before

[flint iris]

So why am I sweating to get skirmisher for 6% base all damaged, when I could just pick killzone for the 15% thats more easier to get to and doesnt cost 4 points

is it just cause its buffing melee to some degree

or the elite node for 15%

or hec I could get both if I took my 4 points back

[tame lodge]

6.25% global damage (up to 4 stacks)

Vs
15% ranged damage

[flint iris]

o didnt see the 4 stack

[hollow ibex]

Yeah skirmisher is really strong

Affects nades and DOTs

And all that fun stuff

[boreal zenith]

anyone got some tips for ravagers and maulers

the melee guys, I think those are them

[hollow ibex]

Depends on what weapons you have tbh

[boreal zenith]

melee

im trying to do melee. ranged makes the game too easy

only struggle is teammatez taking my ammo

[hollow ibex]

Can your weapon stagger ragers?

And does it have good carapace damage?

[gentle lake]

Very good

Psword is a great all rounder melee.

But shock maul is p effective too. Shovel is nice. Uhhh. Yea

[fleet thicket]

So for accatrans

You must take the crit

For las guns right ?

[boreal zenith]

yea basicaly. how do I avoid their damage?

I find often if I dodge backwards they just kinda warp onto me

[distant plaza]

dodge to the side

[boreal zenith]

they slide/moonwalk onto me

[distant plaza]

the prometheus school of running away from things will fail you

[sleek garden]

take devils claw

Parry them

you can't avoid their damage because of how they attack

Block their combo and then stagger them when you get an opening

[gentle lake]

Can someone give me a good plasma build

[vestal lotus]

I second this

[hollow ibex]

Yeah this is the way

Especially for overheads

[boreal zenith]

is veteran even good for melee

or should i just go 'fatmangus' like all the other dorks

[serene bough]

Vet has strong melee just not the same safety nets and mobility zealot has

[hollow ibex]

Vet has the strongest melee weapon in the game

Prob stronger melee than zealot overall lol

Just lacking in mobility as hugz said

[boreal zenith]

ok

are you guys liking the 7 shot bolt pistol or 8 shot

[hollow ibex]

They both suck on vet tbh

But 8 shot is a bit better on vet

[snow gazelle]

hello! If I run bolt pistol and power falchion with krak grenades, am I missing good armor damage? Open to use this shock club thing too l;ol

[slow spade]

just died because I threw a grenade and it exploded doing no damage

classic Fatshark

[hollow ibex]

Falch and kraks both have good armor damage so you’re fine

[snow gazelle]

Thank you!

[hollow ibex]

Temu nades

[snow gazelle]

How is the shock mail on armor damage?

[boreal zenith]

im getting that feeling too tbh. but everyone tells me its amazing

but having to shoot 3-4 times just to kill something is not it

[hollow ibex]

It’s great as a buff stick

Terrible as an actual gun

[hollow ibex]

Mid lol

The entire weapon is just mid. The only real selling point is the vibes

[slow spade]

It's no Arbites Shock Maul that's for sure :c

[snow gazelle]

A lot of people seem to disagree with Mr E lol

[void dragon]

Is there a good setup for Zealot to run in the expeditions? Don't think I have found many zealots in the mode.

[snow gazelle]

power falchion and bolt pistol it is!

[snow gazelle]

Not in the veteran chat

[atomic void]

any setup works

zealot can just charge into gunners and shooters

or stealth and 1 tap the bosses

[void dragon]

Zealot chat doesn't seem to work for asking this kind of thing, oddly enough

[hollow ibex]

Yeah he’s the number one source of Darktide misinformation

[snow gazelle]

Well shit. Who do I go to then?

[hybrid plover]

FATMANGUSSSSS

[snow gazelle]

Reginald?

[hollow ibex]

Better but not great

I’d only trust the pinned guide

Most YouTubers are just there to sell clicks

[snow gazelle]

PINS

[hollow ibex]

The only one that does in depth research is Ryken

[tall torrent]

stealth (+2s duration), stamina aura, +9 stamina, 3x sprint efficiency, knife (+2 stamina, sprint efficiency), thy wrath be swift, take +5% move speed and the sprint speed talent

[willow prairie]

I don't think +9 stam is necessary with the stam aura buff tbh

[half parrot]

what blessings/perks should I use for recon lasgun?

[tall torrent]

I'm just saying the malice TR speedrun strat

[tall torrent]

maniac / unyielding / flak / crit chance
dum dum (mandatory)
deathspitter / infernus

collateral is dump stat

[half parrot]

Thanks!

[void dragon]

funny, i have been sitting on a build that is basiacally this but the +9 stamina meme

@tall torrent is there a ranged gun you would suggest outside of knifes, revolver or the bolters (gun and pistol) for ranged enemy management?

[tall torrent]

on what

[void dragon]

ah sorry, for zealot

[tall torrent]

laspistol is nice

autopistol is pretty good too if yk wat ur doing

[void dragon]

for ranged? the gun doesnt have high damage falloff?

[tall torrent]

the shotguns are alr but I don't like them

[tall torrent]

yea

why are u as a zealot trying to do long range

[void dragon]

most of the time im running around hunting bombers spreaded around (not many hands shooting them)

so want something to help reduce the bombs per second

[tall torrent]

also unrelated
packmaster might be top 1~2 (and honestly imo top1) strongest boss in the game

[void dragon]

from those jerks

[void dragon]

the dogs make it or is the shock effect it puts on you?

[tall torrent]

it's a combination of things

his debuff is actually insane

it's the strongest debuff in the game bar none

[tall torrent]

lol just play the mode on malice speedrun rn

difficulty only slows down progress

[tall torrent]

-5~10% sprint speed
+100~200% stamina cost (all actions)
-75~150% stamina regen rate
+150~300% dodge recovery time
refreshable while active (lasts for 10s)
and all of his attacks (except his charge) apply this debuff

his moveset is largely simple (except 1 short windup attack) and not hard to dodge
but if u get hit even once (even if u block the attack), ur basically fucked

this debuff is so crazy that he might actually be the first & only enemy in the game worth throwing 4 tinkered kraks at

[void dragon]

that's crazy, didnt felt that intimidating to me when i had to fight it, but i guess i dodged that shock debuff

[tall torrent]

try fighting him solo in meat grinder with creature spawner

u will know what I'm talking about

[distant mural]

Really?

[tall torrent]

yea

[distant mural]

It felt

Kinda weak tbh

[tall torrent]

go try to solo him in meat grinder

[distant mural]

I did solo him in expedition before

I think with arby

Maybe because i think his moveset is kinda easy to read

[void dragon]

i can see it being an issue with more health and the dogs, considering how much it nerfs your dodoges

[tall torrent]

his moveset is easy

he only has 1 fast windup attack

u just can't get hit by him like, at all

[distant mural]

Maybe i didnt get hit then

Tbf i killed him mostly with glugger before

And only like2-3 times in melee

And i also had casti with arby i think

[tall torrent]

try to solo him in melee

[distant mural]

Gonna have to get the mod later

[void dragon]

how often he toss the shock attack? is there a limit? or he can keep you locked with no dodges?

[tall torrent]

all of his attacks, except his charge, apply the debuff

the only time he doesn't debuff u is when he charges at u (like plague ogryn charge)

[void dragon]

really? i swear i blocked some of the attacks and didnt noticed it

[tall torrent]

also he has 66k hp (10% more than plague ogryn) and carapace head lol

[tall torrent]

if u get debuffed there's an on screen effect

[void dragon]

pogryn powercreept

[tall torrent]

outside of having fewer attacks that can ledge u (or throw u off map), he basically is plague ogryn pro max plus ultra

remember that he can see through stealth too

[dry cloak]

2x boss health

Is needed

[tall torrent]

also all of his debuff attacks also ignore stun immunity

meaning u will get stunned even with TWBS on zealot or stance on vet

[void dragon]

a boss to surpass metal gear

[tall torrent]

they also all use OOBB (u have to actually get out of attack area to dodge it, can't spot dodge)

and all of this

is just himself

without the hounds he spawns

[void dragon]

funny how at least 2 people here felt it was weaksalsa in spite of all those traits

[tall torrent]

I thought he was weak at first too

cuz his moveset really is simple

he doesn't throw long attack combos at u

u just can't get hit by him at all

while managing the hounds he spawn in

[void dragon]

More reason to enforce the "only one dancer with the boss" so the rest of the team kill the dogs

[tall torrent]

no lol

[void dragon]

But that debuff sounds annoying

[tall torrent]

he's getting the 4 krak + concentrated fire treatment

[void dragon]

Oh he gets absolutely nuked on sight, specially since he doesn't have shields

[tall torrent]

he's almost twice as durable as twins btw

[void dragon]

Ogryn supremacy

[tall torrent]

twins have 72k hp, carapace head but 2x melee weakness, so effectively 36k carapace vs melee

packmaster is 66k hp, carapace head

krak is extra effective vs him cuz his center mass is unyielding, not carapace (thank god)

[void dragon]

I now feel kinda sad for Pogryn, sac of farts deserves to be threatening, not power crept

[tall torrent]

and because packmaster has carapace, kraks will home in on him

[void dragon]

Oh TRUE, most other bosses you have to aim to them for it to stick

[tall torrent]

also don't think zealot can stealth 1 shot packmaster cuz carapace weakspot

lemme see

[void dragon]

Doesn't stealth give you rendin?

[tall torrent]

yes

[void dragon]

Does it Keal?

[tall torrent]

ofc not

it can do >half of his hp tho

[void dragon]

Damn
Zealot's Krak nade status: lost

Worst class ever, 8/fish

[sharp epoch]

played this patch havoc hs just is a better melee vet atp

[potent crypt]

I have tried the weapon specialist double barrell shotgun “insta-reload” slayer build and i must say it is kinda trash

[hollow ibex]

you're using it wrong

sorry, but there's no other explanation

[potent crypt]

Can you please educate me? I was getting frustrated with two shots not taking out gunners from 10 meters away

Is it just supposed to be used in very close range?

[tall torrent]

it's melee build first & foremost

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=69c5fbbe&is=69c4aa3e&hm=3cbd7070de366e4ef080978ffa301e6480f73a4d38af091544bc8343741d6f90&

[potent crypt]

Is there a viable combat shotgun build?

[hollow ibex]

50 bruisers in less than 13 seconds

all you have to do is kill 3 enemies with melee -> swith to to DB -> kill one enemy with DB -> switch back to melee

[dry cloak]

Very wide statement. Because combat shotty became very universal weapon

[hollow ibex]

and DB is mostly a CQC weapon, though you can still use it to snipe some specialists

like DB just fucks snipers

[potent crypt]

DB is very good against snipers

[dry cloak]

I play similiarly. Exept i use m2 shot

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1467763637136527482/2EB2961.MP4?ex=69c57628&is=69c424a8&hm=cfe11da3cd8f8a51613470ad0eceb0b9c186e6195139a7108f95b79ffd9d0ffd&

[potent crypt]

Youre right. Also nice video that was recorded timing

[tall torrent]

yes tho they're generally mid tier

[potent crypt]

Why 3?

[hollow ibex]

3 guarantees a crit on your ranged wep

from wep specialist

and critting on DB is very important

you need crits to proc manstopper and flech

without crit, DB is pretty trash lol

[potent crypt]

Any melee weapon recommendation? I like the shovel personally

[hollow ibex]

shovel's fine

rashad caxe

power sword

[sharp epoch]

just keep in mind he's talking about auric

[snow gazelle]

It’s so fun one tapping snipers across the map with a shotgun

[hollow ibex]

so?

[snow gazelle]

Power falchion go brrrrr

[sharp epoch]

less things are "viable" in havoc

[hollow ibex]

nothing i said changes in havoc

[dry cloak]

Everything is less viable in havoc by nature of havoc

[potent crypt]

What perks for DB shotgun? Crit chance and crit dmg?

[hollow ibex]

flakiac

you don't need crit chance

WS gives 100% crit chance

crit damage is a never take

[potent crypt]

Flak and maniac?

[hollow ibex]

yup

crit damage is really bad

[snow gazelle]

Why not carapace

[hollow ibex]

because DB sucks against carapace either way

[potent crypt]

Yeah it can knock over crushers but thats about it

[snow gazelle]

Ah ok

[potent crypt]

Could u explain maniac plz?

[hollow ibex]

ragers and specialists

most specialists are maniac

[slender elm]

A lot of specials have maniac

[snow gazelle]

Oh maniac is a trait?

[slender elm]

Armor type

[snow gazelle]

😅 I literally thought maniac = rager

[hollow ibex]

dreg rager has the maniac armor type so there's that

[potent crypt]

Is crit chance never take in general or just for DB?

[dry cloak]

You aint wrong

[slender elm]

Pointless when you run weapon specialist

You already get guaranteed crits

[twin sapphire]

Off the top of my head it’s also trappers, flamers, and mutants

[hollow ibex]

yeah notice how in the video above i hit 100% crit chance when i pull out my DB

[potent crypt]

Thanks guys love yall (say it back)

[slender elm]

Emprah loves u

[hollow ibex]

another one to the cult of double barrel 🙂‍↕️

[slender elm]

Not many inquisition approved cults

[snow gazelle]

So maniac just replaces whatever armor they look to be wearing?

[snow gazelle]

We are already damned, what are they gonna do, execute us twice?

[snow gazelle]

Thank you

[dry cloak]

Maniacs are dreg ragers and most specials

[slender elm]

Kayex always be sayin

[snow gazelle]

So many armor types lol

[dry cloak]

Not really

[twin sapphire]

Unarmored, infested, flak, maniac, unyielding, carapace

Unless I’m missing one

I hate carapace

[dry cloak]

Prevalance of carapace is direct effect of power creep

[twin sapphire]

Every time I see like 3 plasma gunners behind a poxie horde I die a little inside unless I’m running boltgun or plasma

[dry cloak]

Just shoot them in the chest

Its flak

[true oasis]

With the new withering fire perk, zarona scattershot flachette feels like a better version of flachette manstopper double barrel

It’s more self sufficient in terms of crits, gets good enough cleave with withering fire, and actually works as a legitimate gun aside from the horde cleaving/bleeding gimmick

[weak hamlet]

What's the best gun to use with exec stance ? OG lasgun ? Nostalgia is pulling me back to this ability

[distant mural]

I like spearhead boltgun

[dry cloak]

Actually the best would be one of vigilant autoguns

[tall torrent]

hotfix today!!

[sharp epoch]

more like the constant nerfs to shout is pulling you back 😂

[weak hamlet]

What?

[sharp epoch]

also its helbore or plasma

[tall torrent]

pretty much everything works (tho wouldn't consider DB shotgun with it) cuz it's not rly a ranged ability at this point

[weak hamlet]

I'm not the biggest fan of the hellbore but I need to try it again

I absolutely can't use it without crosshair remap though

Unless they changed its atrocious sights

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1486671566052921444/image.png?ex=69c65a4a&is=69c508ca&hm=b0bf72be9e47d7f9a5fc4bca1412d0cab3fdc83c1492655beebea3553aee5ab4&

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-speed-reaction

any other juicy things

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah the next class confirmation lmfao

[sly orchid]

dont do this to me

DO NOT

LET IT BE A SKITARII

[pseudo fiber]

We're checking the loadouts right now

It could be either

But transonic stuff is usually skitarii

[sly orchid]

deluxe

[pseudo fiber]

Probably a skin

[keen skiff]

Fixed an issue where the Veteran talent “Field Improvisation” awarded Blitz charges when obtaining ammo in a Deadsider Sanctuary.

Literally why.

[fervent hemlock]

Sicarian class would be peak

[pseudo fiber]

I had them fix that actually after everyone yelled at me over taking ranged cleavw

I personally contacted fs to fix it

[slender elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/171673305969852417/1486614974246813757/img_1_1774507014667.jpg?ex=69c62595&is=69c4d415&hm=f7f072620a0208020b45d19f2ceb84a636d96480a3ce67890c273ea97f59e51a&

[fervent hemlock]

ogryn in canon: best friend

ogryn in pugs: larping brain damage

[lime phoenix]

what do you mean larping?

[fervent hemlock]

i really wish they'd buff vet more

fav class is weakest class

i am sad

[pseudo fiber]

Vet is not the weakest class lmfso

Zealot and Ogryn and arguably arbites a little are right there

[fervent hemlock]

arbites are literally unkillable wtf you mean

[pseudo fiber]

Ah but arbites is boring

So they lose a point

[fervent hemlock]

i'm trash at this game and i can play aurics and havocs while asleep on arbite

[unreal nova]

They just can't one shot or have any decent breakpoint. All they have is tankiness that keeps getting nerfed.

[distant mural]

Oh man

That sucks

That was literally the only reason to bring field improv on expeditions

[pastel yew]

honestly not what I expected them to have but kinda neat all the same.

[pastel yew]

I mean maybe smokes could use a little love, stealth could get a slight cooldown hit... generally the class is in a very strong state though

[distant mural]

I think their presence alone would irradiate the other rejects to death

[pastel yew]

I mean if you're only judging a class by how hard it is to die as them I think you're missing a significant amount. If you werent gonna die on vet, does it matter if you werent gonna die on arbites? Maybe then the increased damage and support could have saved your team mate where they would have died when you're playing arbites... etc.

[tame lodge]

Lmfao plasma "buff"

Loomfaao

[torn root]

welp, vet no longer gives nades for 10 scrap in expedition

lmao

probably for the best

[pastel yew]

arent the grenades cheap anyhow?

[distant mural]

Honestly no more reason to bring field improv

[torn root]

50

[pastel yew]

ah I thought they were 25 ngl

[torn root]

vs 10

[torn root]

facts

[pastel yew]

I dont foresee myself playing much more of expeditions anyway though

[distant mural]

I mean it was very good

But i think it wasnt broken

[shrewd matrix]

I don't know how the cleave distribution values work exactly but they almost doubled the values for plasma lights

[torn root]

so unfortunate XD

[distant mural]

Because theres no crates on the map

[pastel yew]

just sit in the safe zone for 3-4 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[distant mural]

Not for the vet

[pastel yew]

then your grenades are free

ahhhhhhhhhhh

[distant mural]

I dont need field improv for that

Its for my team

[pastel yew]

you can still buy ammo crates though right?

[unreal nova]

Then you get vote kicked for wasting time.

[torn root]

field improve was strictly for the team

[distant mural]

Yeah but they are 100

[fervent hemlock]

vets that don't bring field improv are bad teammates

[torn root]

field improv is ALWAYS for the team

[distant mural]

No

Why?

[pastel yew]

its very important I Sit here for 60 seconds for a single frag

[distant mural]

So psyker without shield is bad teammate?

Ogryn without taunt is bad treammate?

[fervent hemlock]

it is a central talent for a reason

[unreal nova]

But yeah, the field improv is for everyone else.

[pastel yew]

zealots that dont bring chorus are bad team mates, arbites that dont bring nuncio aquilla are bad team mates, psykers that dont bring bubble are bad team mates 📢

[unreal nova]

It's just a bonus to quick refill them when buying ammo.

[fervent hemlock]

healing corruption and replenishing hp and toughness

[torn root]

i need my saftey bubble or imma bich at you

not because you are bad, but because i am

[distant mural]

Zealot aura can do that too

Why dont they allways bring it?

[fervent hemlock]

it doesn't heal

[pastel yew]

because YOU specifically must

[tame lodge]

It was supposed to be 18 but the M1 charges it to 55% so it ended up being 9.5

Now it should be 36

[distant mural]

Suuuure i get it now

[shrewd matrix]

it's 34.3 now

[pastel yew]

in combination with a health pack which you need for field improv it does?

[tame lodge]

So yeah it'll take ~55% of that

About 18

[torn root]

very much does the same thing when you think about it and how field improv is used

[distant mural]

Its just that as a vet field improv does nothing for me

And i need the point elswhere

[fervent hemlock]

what are you taking to get from elite damage down to the rest of the tree

[tame lodge]

Which is what they were shooting for anyways

[pastel yew]

I think its nice to have but depending on weapon I might not run it

[distant mural]

On havoc sure ill bring it

[tame lodge]

Meaning that plasma cleave nerf wasn't shit

[fervent hemlock]

its literally right there

[tame lodge]

[distant mural]

But not on expeditionsü

[torn root]

attack speed and bleed on melee route

[distant mural]

Literally tax node

[pastel yew]

the node right above it and below kraks

or yknow iron will

[distant mural]

I take trench fighter and the bleed

No improv

[pastel yew]

mhm, trench fighter and bleeds nice for the combat blade

which is often times the weapon I'm using on vet

[torn root]

the correct answer

improv has value still, but it isn't a must take

[distant mural]

I agree

[torn root]

and it doesn't really save points if you care about damage

[pastel yew]

I Think the value of improv is greatly knocked by the fact that most people just take regenerating grenades

grenades as a whole need a rework

there are some havoc conditions I remember it being nice for but idk if I'd ever call it a must have

[distant mural]

The only classes who really benefit are ogryn and scum

[fervent hemlock]

i will die on the hill of improv being a necessary talent

[pastel yew]

yeah the rocket value is big

[fervent hemlock]

the only time its bad is if you never find a health or ammo box

[pastel yew]

it works for your team too iirc

[fervent hemlock]

yes

[pastel yew]

so you'll always at least get some value

its very rare to have games you dont find any at all

in fact I'm not even sure if I've ever had that happen

[distant mural]

But on expeditions

That was my entire point

[pastel yew]

cant you buy them on expeditions?

[fervent hemlock]

the worst game mode?

[slow spade]

You can

[fervent hemlock]

with literally no value?

[distant mural]

U can buy them only

[torn root]

Lots of heavy opinions being swung around

[pastel yew]

fatshark making 16 side game modes before they ever add a new map or non dlc weapon

[slow spade]

75 supply for medkit

[distant mural]

And they cost 100 scrap

[slow spade]

Idk for ammo

[pseudo fiber]

What if we did a new class doe

[pastel yew]

tbf I dont mind that as much as at least its new content but... god damn the rest of the game is so starved

[distant mural]

It doesnt matter if u like it

[pastel yew]

the most recent map isnt even a proper map as far as map pools are concerned

[pseudo fiber]

Hopefully the feedback has been heard loud and clear

[torn root]

or more enemies

well actually they did add 2 new

[pseudo fiber]

The worst mode is mortis trials and it isn't close reallt

[torn root]

i take that back

[fervent hemlock]

you're saying one specific game mode which is trash, is the reason you dont use one of the best support talent points for the tema

[pastel yew]

the last non dlc weapon we got was the power falchion which was a 1h clone of a more interesting weapon that released like over a year ago at this point

[fervent hemlock]

in the entire rest of the game

[torn root]

i don't want ot be mean to others, but I agree

[distant mural]

No im saying im not using it on that mode anymore ffs

[pastel yew]

new boss is fun even if its mostly just a reskin of enemies we already had

[distant mural]

And that it isnt a must take anyway

[torn root]

well the reason why you dont take 'the best support talent' is based on if you value it and if ppl think it is better to take over damage

[distant mural]

Never said its bad

[torn root]

in DT

no one is really valuing that over the dps

[pastel yew]

especially not if it affects breakpoints

[torn root]

if anything it IS a tax node that means 1 less talent to be taken when you get lower in the tree

[pastel yew]

there's also just so much good shit in the vet tree to grab

[torn root]

and i say that as someone who skips the attackspeed and bleed

[pastel yew]

vets got so much strong stuff

skipping attack speed is crazy to me, but you do you

gotta stab fast...

if you ever feel useless remember that the 5% movespeed node exists...

[torn root]

10% attack speed is active the ENTIRE run, and bleed on melee benefits from it

field prep isn't

[pastel yew]

also attack speed is multiplicative scaling

[distant mural]

Its allmost like people play differently

[torn root]

you have to survive long enough to find 1 of the 2 crates it affects

[pastel yew]

going from 100% attack speed to 110% is literally a 10% raw increase on your total damage

[torn root]

no, you gotta play how i say, and when i say

[pastel yew]

going from 180% damage to 190% damage is not as much an increase

[distant mural]

Yes King

[slow spade]

? No it's a 0% increase because you're suppose to mag dump

[pastel yew]

make melee attack speed apply to ranged weapons

I miss old fury of the faithful so fucking much

they nerfed something so much cooler than shit we have thats literally stronger and more boring

[slow spade]

Tbh the nodes on that section are just bad in general

[torn root]

i think it might technically be more depending on if you are using onslaught

[slow spade]

2 stacks of bleed lmao only good for knife

[pastel yew]

10% attack speed and +15 toughness (havoc specific) isnt terrible tbf but yeah a lot of them are bad

[distant mural]

I dont even remember it tbh

[pastel yew]

old fury of the faithful used to give its armor pen to your ranged attacks too, and not just the first one

whilst also increasing your firerate

[slow spade]

Yeah they tend to do that weirdly

[pastel yew]

so you could dash in, and fucking EXPLODE a pack of crushers with a shotgun

[distant mural]

Oh wait i remember

[pastel yew]

it was so fun

[torn root]

it was the best node on the tree

dont care what anyone else says

[slow spade]

Like Exec Stance used to give +50% ranged damage

[pastel yew]

it was literally most effective on non meta weapons, which proceded to go back to dumpster tier immediately after the change

[distant mural]

Its still my fav zealot ability

[slow spade]

Then they nerfed the shit out of it

[distant mural]

Love oneshotting crushers with eviscerator

[pastel yew]

I wish combat shotguns were just

remotely better

they're not terrible but they're just not good

[slow spade]

Agri shotgun is good

You can get it to 1-tap gunners and shotgunners on Aurics

[pastel yew]

I dont think the ammo capacity / slow reload justifies their mediocre damage

[slow spade]

Can't break the rager breakpoint without a weird build though

[pastel yew]

there are a lot more weapons that do that whilst having more ammo or other utility though

its nice that shotguns can be used at some range but they dont quite appeal to the power fantasy of exploding a guy thats right infront of you

[slow spade]

Except they're slower to pull out and not as reactive

[pastel yew]

I mean if we're talking auric specifically, the zarona is just hands down better whilst also having a partial reload

idk what the shotgun breakpoints are for havoc, I cant imagine they're any better

[slow spade]

But that one has less ammo

[torn root]

does it not anymore? or is it more?

[pastel yew]

less total ammo, but its killing most things in less shots

so you're going to not feel it

[slow spade]

+25% damage +25% weakspot damage

[torn root]

oh they massacred it

lmao

[slow spade]

Just use slug shot for the bigger ones

[torn root]

straight up took an arm and leg

[distant mural]

The tghnss regen is better tho imo

[slow spade]

Yeah...it was like that for over a year

[pastel yew]

I wish it just only fired slugs... or it was a ammo toggle...

the fact you can 100% accurate hipfire slugs is some random trivia for you, its peak

[torn root]

knew it was touched, never knew it was done in a shed on the other side of the lake

im sorry

[pastel yew]

I love weapons that have random hipfire accuracy

[slow spade]

That damage nerf was over a year ago. Back when VoC gave 100 piss toughness

[pastel yew]

I didnt mind exec stance when it was only a damage ability

[slow spade]

Indeed, it's funny that hipfire is easier to snipe with than aiming

[pastel yew]

darktide tank meta is grim

[pastel yew]

oh yeah way easier

[slow spade]

Ogryns are eating good though

"50% DR when dodging"

[pastel yew]

basically every class except for hive scum

is tank

[slow spade]

Ah

[pastel yew]

or has been slowly pushed in that direction

[torn root]

.>

[pastel yew]

I blame gold toughness

the beginning of this tragedy

[torn root]

i blame bad game design effort

[pastel yew]

very valid

[slow spade]

I blame shooter spam

[torn root]

working on cosmetics and dlc more than they should imo

[pastel yew]

psykers used to be squishy dps

then got made tank

[torn root]

we still have no psyker enemies

[pastel yew]

which is wild because... literally just copy paste the one from vermintide

its right there

[slow spade]

Purg psykers

[torn root]

and i will never forgive FS for having the 1st working part of the game being the cash shop

[pastel yew]

well...

a lot of the skins especially early on were riddled with errors

I'm not sure if those were made in house though

[slow spade]

They don't coordinate with the Vermintide team

It's painfully obvious

[pastel yew]

surely some of the people from the darktide team worked on vermintide though?

[torn root]

fr

[distant mural]

I only started using it more after the patch with the tghns regen

[torn root]

i cant think that they do given how theyve handled things

[pastel yew]

I'm an exec stance hipster...

I always thought this shit was cool

👴

[slow spade]

Either they don't and keep retreading mistakes from ignorance

Or they do and they WILLFULLY retread these mistakes

[torn root]

it's the latter

[slow spade]

Exec Stance got wildly nerfed at one point and it just was left like that for over a year

[torn root]

removing simple guides and coherency circle makes me think this too for a separate reason

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-sideshow-bob-rakes-annoyance-constant-gif-17065268

this time it will be different...

[slow spade]

That blog post where they said "we added powerful abilities to blitz so we can better control them" like no shit that's what Vermintide did 😭

[pastel yew]

wait is dark communion the last real map release?

[distant mural]

😭

[torn root]

They also updated the lacking weapon system the was already a good design in VT2

[pastel yew]

have we actually had... two entire game modes added to the game since our last actual map

[distant mural]

The trench thing

[pastel yew]

thats not a real map... its an operation

or whatever its called

[distant mural]

Why is that not a map?

I dont get it

Is it not in havoc or?

[slow spade]

It's the last lore update at least

[pastel yew]

from what I've seen you cant play it in havoc or auric maelstrom

I dont play as much though, and certainly not havoc anymore

but I Dont think I've ever seen it in maelstrom

I might be wrong on that

[distant mural]

I dont mind i dont play havoc anymore either

[pastel yew]

yeah havoc requires a level of comittment to the game I do not currently have

[slow spade]

There's a new Havoc season out if the dogshit conditions of the last season annoyed you

[distant mural]

Havoc in pubs was such a brutal slog im not gonna lie

Took my sanity

[pastel yew]

I'd play havoc if I could quickplay into it

idc if I lose ranks

[distant mural]

But eventually i did it

[pastel yew]

idc if I'm dropped into the most abysmal situations

I just do not want to use the party finder

[distant mural]

Yeah the party finder 100 percent kills that mode

[pastel yew]

surely there are havoc games with people ragequitting that I can drop into

[pastel yew]

yup, it also killed a lot of my interest in the game

[distant mural]

[pastel yew]

they stopped balancing the game around the other modes and just let shit be broken because its fine in havoc

so the modes I Do actually want to play are going to just be forever fucked

genuinely one of the worst decisions they've made, unironically unhappy

[dry cloak]

Eh they are not balancing game around havoc you know

[distant mural]

Yeah

They are just not balancing it at all

Fr

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

recent releases dont seem to follow that no? stuff like certain scum abilities / weapons

though if they're not balancing at all then woof

[distant mural]

I mean look what they did woth scum

[pastel yew]

but at least you can play havoc and be challenged

[distant mural]

Like that class needet a buff

[dry cloak]

Darktide needs general weapons balance

[distant mural]

Abysmla dogshit😂

[dry cloak]

And nerfing of vet psyker arby and hiv

[torn root]

havoc isn't fun, but it is where I go to realize a concept

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[slow spade]

Nerf Zealot too solely because they annoy me

[pastel yew]

darktide devs carefully buffing some of the weakest weapons in the game

whilst not nerfing some of the most overperforming problem causers at all

[dry cloak]

Yhey fear review bombs

[slow spade]

Meanwhile 8th revolver buff

[pastel yew]

we did it guys! we saved the lasgun!

[dry cloak]

Simple as

[distant mural]

As soon as i unlocked it all i realized how little fun im having with ts

Never touched it again

[slow spade]

Havoc is just annoying stat nerfs/buffs to me

[distant mural]

Its just metagrinding with the same loadout again and again

BOOOOORING

[slow spade]

50% more hp on the tankiest enemy in the game?

[pastel yew]

I'm going to get judged for my geninely dogshit opinion, but I liked how deadly gunners were in the original havoc and wish that they were that deadly in auric maelstrom

[distant mural]

Yayyyy……

[dry cloak]

I 5hink that bosses need buffs

[distant mural]

Ye

[dry cloak]

Did you play during clandestium gloriana realease?

[torn root]

i like it because numbers can get really big and you never fully realize how big they get until you hit the inflated stats. Numbers are fun

[distant mural]

Not the sword captain tho

[slow spade]

They tried a shooter buff and backpedaled hard because the average player loses to poxwalkers let alone people with guns

[dry cloak]

By buffs i mean 2x hp for all and then case by case basis

[pastel yew]

yes, admittedly that one was rough. I was literally running stealth/smoke vet when that was in my rotation lol

[distant mural]

Yeah inwouldnt mind too much

[dry cloak]

I mean release as in secret of the machine god update

[pastel yew]

tbf I do think the shooters were a bit too strong but rather than sensibly adjusting them they just went "nah they go back to being garbage"

[pastel yew]

or, yeah

[torn root]

and it really shouldn't be this way, thats why i always argue against ppl saying certain things are bad or not viable

[pastel yew]

that wasnt so bad?

like genuinely I dont think I've ever seen a gunner do jack shit

[distant mural]

I mean u can but they are kinda right thats the sad thing

[pastel yew]

every time an enemy is threatening, people cry and they get nerfed

[dry cloak]

Yup

[distant mural]

Like a player like me who doesnt have the time to play 12 hrs a day

[slow spade]

Wait until they break past the Iron Will 😭

[distant mural]

I cannot use whatever i want in havoc and win

[torn root]

this literally shows people's proneness to acquiescence, which i dislike

[dry cloak]

Both factions need adjustments and more differences between each other

[pastel yew]

reapers fuck you up without toughness, since they have a mad health modifier... admittedly I've ate a bad reaper burst or two but that was 100% me being way over confident rather than them being threatening. Regular scab and dreg elite gunners do fuck all

[distant mural]

If i choose some whacky loadout and keep going down im kinda trolling my team

[dry cloak]

@pastel yew once again we are back to we need to nerf players

[distant mural]

And the 3 fails limit doesnt help

[pastel yew]

tbf what a lot of people consider wacky or trolling in havoc is often crazy

[torn root]

yes and no. I refer the recent discussions on crit and damage in the other chat. In some cases that agreeance allows misinfo to guide judgement

[distant mural]

Yeah but lets assume i know some stuff

[pastel yew]

best we can do is power creep the entire game to account for it and leave even more weapons behind because we dont want to nerf the smaller amount of overperforming stuff 📢

[distant mural]

So i know that this loadout is t ideal

[slow spade]

They did tweak it by giving all scabs roughly a 30-50% hp increase

[distant mural]

Im kinda trolling now