veteran-class

[tall torrent]

but that's ok

we kinda all wish falchion was good

[torpid sundial]

But it is

[tall torrent]

but it isn't

u have only been saying "u can ignore this or that downside falchion has if u have X/Y/team to help"

[umbral forum]

@torpid sundial you got a falchion build you recommend? Been running it, but looking to see what others are using

[torpid sundial]

The only thing thats said the past 15 minutes was not being able to stagger ragers

[tall torrent]

which is a pretty big deal for frontliner melee weapons

falchion fails as a workhorse melee because u can't keep it always turned on

falchion also fails as a self defense weapon for ranged build because it's not mobile enough and has no good stagger

[torpid sundial]

But you arent ogryn you’re vet and you can make the rest of your kit do work too

[tall torrent]

yes and u can run a better weapon with the same exact kit and use those kit for better situations

[torpid sundial]

Its already a good weapon though

Like I’d put it at A

Its like

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-fish-gif-2661450688707713913

[hybrid plover]

A

[torpid sundial]

Is everything you’re gonna run be the highest dps number ever top meta

[tall torrent]

nah it's like a B- or C+

A for vet is rashad and chainaxe 12

[torpid sundial]

Why even play the game

[tall torrent]

falchion is not rashad lvl

[hybrid plover]

The dps isn't the issue

It's the lack of safety as a melee weapon

Which is pretty damn important for veteran specifically

[tame lodge]

Because top damage highest dps makes brain happy

[hybrid plover]

Who does not really hold up well in high density situations up close

[tall torrent]

this is still just deflecting from issues

[torpid sundial]

That one I agree but yeah I don’t mind making more use of the rest of the kit

[torpid sundial]

In that case every weapon that isnt power sword has issues

[tall torrent]

yea

I agree

and even power sword has issues

[torpid sundial]

Which is a stupid thought

[tall torrent]

no?

because fatshark balance is wack

[hybrid plover]

Using a ranged weapon means I won't be able to push to get space. Using my nades is, using my nades

[tall torrent]

it's not my fault they made things this way

[hybrid plover]

I don't wanna have to resort to those all the time

Unless the build specifically entails it as a part of a rhythm like shovel db

[torpid sundial]

Imagine a weapon not giving you infinite life sustain and killing everything in one hit and also clearing rooms with one button

[stable socket]

i like how we went from "it's a good weapon" to "you can use the rest of your kit instead" to "does it really have to be a good weapon? you meta slave"

[torpid sundial]

Ive also used rashad quite a bit

About the same level as power falchion in my experience

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[torpid sundial]

The latter two was only because the only issue was ragers

[hybrid plover]

Yah.. that's a pretty big issue

[torpid sundial]

Eh its fine

Its not an issue I particularly mind much

[tame lodge]

No one cares about Ragers until there's 15 of them in your face

You're the same

🫵

[torpid sundial]

And im not gonna survive up in their face with a power sword either so idc

Its the same

[tame lodge]

Skill issue

[torpid sundial]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

[torpid sundial]

Im not at the level where I can survive that many ragers with any weapon

So it doesnt make a difference to me

[tall torrent]

yea pretty much

it's just all cope

[torpid sundial]

Using power falcion or sword

[tame lodge]

44 cleave power sword is hitting 11 out of 15 ragers

[torpid sundial]

I never said it was equal to the sword as a weapon besides dps but it really isnt a bad weapon

[tall torrent]

I believe in u. U can do it

[torpid sundial]

As what people say here

[torpid sundial]

In practice not in practice range

When you’re dealing with trappers fire three bosses poxbursters

[hybrid plover]

Okay. Let me be actually insightful here. You said you're not at the level where you can do that with any weapon, right?

[tall torrent]

yea I can do this in practice too

[hybrid plover]

Because you're deliberately giving yourself a weapon

That is not good at doing that.

[tall torrent]

u can do very silly things with stance vet

[hybrid plover]

Which isn't helping you at dealing with it to begin with.

[distant plaza]

[torpid sundial]

And also I hate using power sword

[tall torrent]

in fact with a gun this is significantly easier

[hybrid plover]

Hell at this point I'd rather use something like

Heavy sword

[torpid sundial]

No shit

[hybrid plover]

Or devil's claw.

[hybrid plover]

Because those actually give you that ability to deal with those particular enemies and let you learn how to do it too.

[torpid sundial]

I can do that with a power falchion too if they come at me at a straight line though

I meant more like getting surrounded by them

In which case I dont think a pow sword helps

[tall torrent]

power sword helps

[torpid sundial]

Well, probably will take longer to kill

Yeah

It does

[hybrid plover]

It does. Because it actually can stagger them.

[tall torrent]

because once u run the 1 ability that removes 50% of power sword's downsides

it's just unstoppable

[hybrid plover]

This is the major crux of falchion compared to so many weapons

Stagger is important

[stable socket]

if you had ogryn slab shield on vet you could probably kill infinite ragers with no worries

[atomic void]

turning ragers into common mobs feels illegal ngl

[stable socket]

cuz that thing has so much stagger you can just heavy spam and everything is on the floor always

[hybrid plover]

And falchion simply does not have enough to qualify as a reliable melee for the situations you're going to endure in this game

The damage isn't bad.

It's actually pretty good

[livid sphinx]

Jesus fuck

The dog expedition is so hard i've been playing it for a day now and I havent won a single one

[hybrid plover]

Oh and unpowered is still, pretty bad.

Which is the really annoying part. Because they actually got that part right with relic blade.

[torpid sundial]

Ive used it up till havoc 27 so far and its fine. I havent gone back to 40 yet since months ago

So I’ll be trying for that

And its solid enough in auric maelstrom

But well just about anything is as long as you can use it

[stable socket]

ive won plenty of 40s with a falch vet on my team and some of those were months ago (before vet rework and falchion buffs), it's not an unusable weapon by any means

[tall torrent]

the dmg isn't bad (if u take rending + FT + RF)

[stable socket]

you just need to be better at the game to compensate

[tall torrent]

otherwise it's pretty middling

[torpid sundial]

Thats all my point was really

Its ‘good’

Its not the best

[stable socket]

i would call it 'usable'

[hybrid plover]

It's usable.

[tall torrent]

usable and good has a pretty large discrepancy in this game unfortunately

[stable socket]

i'm pretty sure people have cleared 40s with gray weapons

it's definitely doable as long as you know what you're doing, but generally speaking you would do better on average if you swapped the gray weapon out for a weapon that was less gray

[south spindle]

Grey*

[hybrid plover]

Gary*

[tall torrent]

gary

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-snail-eat-spit-gif-19521590

[hybrid plover]

Mao

[vale sparrow]

thoughts on optimal height?

6ft vet or 5'11 vet

[void dragon]

I'm using a very small veteran and still can do that silly trick of aiming under the shield visor, jump and shoot to net a headshot, actually done in one of the expeditions.
So I don't feel that it's that important, could be wrong tho.

[hybrid plover]

depends

what sounds more important to you

higher pov to take out enemies behind cover and hit weakspots easier?

or be a slightly smaller target that can take cover better

also

if you're using helbore

always heightmaxx

trust

[turbid ibex]

I have max height on all human characters

Mainly because i imagine having characters with different heights could fuck over muscle memory or something

Only one i dont really know what height to set is ogryn

[hybrid plover]

probably short because it's actually noticeably detrimental to be tall ogryn

[turbid ibex]

So minimum height

Aight

[hybrid plover]

ya

have fun reaching what you're trying to hit when you're quite literally too tall to swing at them normally

[turbid ibex]

Im going to play expeditions with my friend tomorrow (its her first time playing this update) and i think i might take ogryn so ill do that then

[turbid ibex]

Ye minimum height does sound pretty good for karsolasmaxxing

[blazing jetty]

ogryn don't feel right when you're not absolutely towering over everyone

[turbid ibex]

Man i fucking love karsolas pickaxe

Luv me my heavy sweeps

Only thing that is somewhat annoying is having to do PA or special every time i want to use the overheads

I wish the light overhead could chain into the heavy overhead so you only need to PA or special once to enable your single target

Also is it just me or is karsolas PA just fucking abysmal

[north flint]

whats a gg expedition vet build

no helboring pls

[tall torrent]

power sword, revolver

[tame lodge]

Helbore

[orchid hemlock]

Fuck the ammo get double movement speed

[tall torrent]

nah

[potent crypt]

Does anyone have a good shotgun weapon specialist build? Double barrell or combat shorgun?

[hollow ibex]

for WS, DB is preferred

pins has good builds

[latent star]

I like combat blade / db shotgun as a WS combo, the shotgun is good big wide clear and great for clearing out maniacs and hordes, the combat blade is fast and flexible and gives you some options against small carapace without using kraks.

they also both lean into bleed, which isn't a huge synergy but is nice when you're hitting a big target with both

[sharp epoch]

revolver > plasma now?

[tall torrent]

this is for expeditions

revolver is pretty good tho

[sharp epoch]

why is revolver better on that mode? i havent played it yet

[tall torrent]

I never said it's better

[sharp epoch]

i mean i guess why was it recommended then over plasma, they both perform similar functions

[tall torrent]

u run faster

lol

[sharp epoch]

ahh

I guess expeditions mobility is important

[latent star]

Revolver is very snappy, you can pull it out, move quick, kill a specialist, go back to swording.

Plasma isn't slow compared to a bolter but it isn't fast compared to a revolver.

[void dragon]

why infiltrate? looks interesting but i dont see the use for revolver and psword outside of clutch button

[tall torrent]

stealth for obj

[latent star]

Infiltrate just got a pretty decent buff too

[tall torrent]

expeditions current fastest progress is speedrunning obj on malice

lol

because TR doesn't scale based on difficulty

[tall torrent]

I also have gotten the purple tier full new cosmetic set

they're rly good

[sharp epoch]

It's still not very good especially since the tac awareness nerf

[void dragon]

the what now? you mean the twitch stuff or something else?

[tall torrent]

no the new penance cosmetics

the new armor model looks rly good imo

it's gonna be a long grind to get the black version

[void dragon]

the ogryn one looks super cool

will have to grind for years since im taking my time

[tall torrent]

the 40k TR one isn't that much

but 250k TR is ridiculous and will prob take like 100 smth games

I got all 8 grid points unlocked now so maybe I just do the final grid point (zeta) where it has extra zones for more TR

[tall torrent]

vet armor's gloves are really nice

since that's what u see in game anyway

[devout pecan]

New to the game and wondering what ranged cleave does

[blazing jetty]

Bullet pierce through more enemies

[plain osprey]

What would y'all say does a Veteran player need to have in their kit and what skills should he be very good at in order to reliably clutch on auric/maelstrom. Ive come to find myself more and more the last survior on that difficulty (especially with the rise of new players who, in my opinion, have no buisness being on auric yet). That necessiatates that i get better at clutching. How do i do that?

[teal canyon]

Dont know if they fixed it yet, but it was possible to throw grenades underhand in infiltrate without breaking your stealth. so, grenades + infiltrate help. Reviving shout helpfull too since buffed. Speed, and stamina to kite good and armor piercing weapons since hordes arent that numerous in auric anyway

In general right side kinda better for it

[plain osprey]

Thx

[tall torrent]

learn spawn doors (map specific) and how to manipulate slots to dictate melee enemies' positioning & movement

and bring a build that can actually dps check things when the need arises

also, duo/solo is a really good way to improve even though it's largely a trial-by-fire type of experience in that "u will lose until u win"

duo private prob the fastest way to improve as a player?

[slow spade]

please shoot specialists and elites 😭

[worn rose]

Always shout when available, always grenade spam when available, and always kite
I play auric as vet a lot and it’s my favorite and number 1 class, and I’d say the key nodes I go for always are:
shredder nade blitz, iron will and superiority complex
Survivalist (duh who would pick anything else), shout with gold toughness, demo team and tac awareness, precision strikes and fully loaded, desperado, and if you have extra points, onslaught and exploit weakness

I run either DS or power falchion personally as melee, and for ranged I go for recon lasgun (which does mean you have to go for shock trooper)

Now thing is, the build I got does not use any keystone

and overall it’s all about getting good with hitting weak spots and knowing enemy armor types (for example scab ragers have carapace armor on their body but flak armor on head -> shoot head, while maulers have carapace armor on their head but flak body -> shoot body)

Also just like Guide WIP says, try out playing solo/duos, it helps alot, i've been playing solo to train more than ever, it really helps

[quiet lark]

sorry if this is a known thing, but is there a problem with exec's not refreshing on melee kill rn?

[slow spade]

I haven't had any issues

[worn rose]

like be good with aiming, and kiting, and also, each enemy has a priority, you focus on that
for me, disablers and bursters have higher priority than anything, then it's ogryns, then gunners (something like that)
oh, and don't trigger daemonhosts like other morons do lmao

[quiet lark]

i felt like it was happening earlier and it's reproducible rn in psykhanium for me

[worn rose]

yea it doesnt refresh on melee

[quiet lark]

no it's supposed to

@tall torrent do rev'd kills with chainaxe not refresh executioner's?

[worn rose]

hmm it seems that maybe if you shoot the enemy first, and finish him off with melee it refreshes? or maybe not
it refreshed when i killed a rager in melee, but then i tried it again and it didn't work lmao

[worn rose]

huh, you're right, i was using chainsword rev, and the moment i stopped using that to kill enemies, it kept refreshing

[tall torrent]

it should

[quiet lark]

doesn't seem to currently

using the xii, normal heavies and lights do but not rev'd attacks huh

[worn rose]

yea it's not working with revs

[quiet lark]

unsure if that's intentional or not

[worn rose]

but like btw

why would you take exec stance and then go in melee? xD

[tall torrent]

oh it's bugged

just checked

lol

[quiet lark]

weapon spec executioners is fun

i mean also even if ure mostly using ranged u will have to use melee in this game

[tall torrent]

cuz it's meta unironically

[quiet lark]

also path, can i ask why unyielding flak on revolver for vet and not flakaniac

[tall torrent]

maniac gets u flamer 1 tap without any dmg buffs but like

u will probably slide?

u will probably crit with melee?

[quiet lark]

fair lol

[tall torrent]

u will prob get melee kill?

whereas unyielding gets u >4k on crit HS on reaper

which is auric 1 tap

if u run stance I think u could even push it into havoc reaper 1 tap

[quiet lark]

makes sense thanks

[torn root]

helm looks drippy withthe coat, or am i buggin?

[tropic halo]

Looks funny asf with the beard

[formal ice]

Make the beard brown

[livid sphinx]

Bruh wtf is this horrendous disconnects

lag lag lag then disconnect

[pseudo fiber]

I don't remember Acheran saying that

[vast spruce]

for the new game mode is plasma + power sword good..?

thinking of running shovel/helbore

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

That's always good though

Helbore works well too

[vast spruce]

im in this sort of terrible impasse where the plasma takes too long to reload but helbore is a bit hard to use

im used to the lmb + charge up of plasma hipfire and just easily doming any special enemies haha

[turbid ibex]

Just learn the reload cancel for plasma

[vast spruce]

reload cancel?

I know about plasma sword cancel

[turbid ibex]

If you sprint at certain timings during plasma's reload you can make it significantly faster

[silver patrol]

It's pretty lame as far as cancels go

It's still a very long reload time

[turbid ibex]

You could also run weapon specialist with always prepared

Ye but much faster compared to no reload cancel

[silver patrol]

Eh

Like 15% faster

[vast spruce]

idk tbh

can helbore exceed plasma in terms of dps/elite killing?

like is it on par ish?

[runic estuary]

Okay everyone

I have a question

Does lethal proximity on the bolt pistol still affect veterans grenades?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[runic estuary]

Bet

[turbid ibex]

I'd say so but requires a very dedicated build

[vast spruce]

also uh

whats the best helbore variant

[turbid ibex]

Check pinned guide

[vast spruce]

how so?

[turbid ibex]

Up to preference but most people prefer mk4 since it does the most damage per hit

[vast spruce]

whats your take on shovel vs pwoer sword

[turbid ibex]

One is top3 melees in the game

The other is an uncanny stick with funny cosplay material

For helbore you should prob run something like taxe instead though

[pseudo fiber]

Infact check out the sniper build in pins

[vast spruce]

why does power sword pair well with plasma

and taxe with helbore

[pseudo fiber]

Because plasma is a low investment ranged weapon

And tac axe is a low investment melee weapon

[vast spruce]

So power sword requires a lot more input and micro managing of the power field thing and tac axe is just you being given a hammer and everything looking a lot like nails

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

[vast spruce]

I seeeeeeee

[pseudo fiber]

So tacaxe pairs will with anything

Since it doesn't need many talents to shine

[turbid ibex]

Taxe also has a lot more mobility

[pseudo fiber]

I've also used pfalchion

It... works

[turbid ibex]

Allegedly

[bold sierra]

just played inf lasgun + pwoer falchion in H40, they're VERY VERY good now, VERY good

it's so easy to headshot with inf lasgun, not mention kills Reapers pretty fast now too, and pretty damn noticeable bump in boss dmg

[bold sierra]

I just played it in H40 too, I thik that bump in dmg is pretty noticeable.

kills Crushers pretty fast with the pushfollow+L1 spams

[pseudo fiber]

Hopefully there's more coming though

(Stagger buffs please god)

[twin sapphire]

what's the inf lasgun?

[bold sierra]

infantry lasgun

[twin sapphire]

oh lol i'm dumb

thought it meant infinite lasgun or smth

[flat nexus]

@formal ice

[charred halo]

exe stance infantry auto, yes or no

[turbid ibex]

Sure

[hollow ibex]

exe stance enjoyers

[charred halo]

im just trying to find a good weapon for exe...

it feels insanely awkward with recon for some reason

[tall torrent]

Pretty much everything works

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[tall torrent]

Stance is not rly a ranged ult

[turbid ibex]

Hell it even works with melee

[hollow ibex]

ES is vet... but better

vet++

[charred halo]

what about good weapons for marksmans

[tall torrent]

Vig auto
Inf auto
Inf las
Helbore
Laspistol

[hollow ibex]

revolver

[turbid ibex]

Ilas kinda but not as good

Bolter maybe?

[hollow ibex]

i found bolter mmf not really worth it tbh

[formal ice]

Not me

[hollow ibex]

FT has better pathing

and MMF doesn't change BPs much

[turbid ibex]

Ye focus target is def the best keystone for bolter

[lucid herald]

Is withering fire good with recon lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

only on XIV

[devout pecan]

not plasma, seems like the highrst damage potential

[lucid herald]

I tend to use XII the most so I guess I shouldn't take it

[tall torrent]

U can but
Plasma is usually better off with FT/WS

Marksman’s focus is really just far too much opportunity cost

[devout pecan]

I see

[lucid herald]

Also I just want to confirm this. XII recon gives brittleness stacks faster with onslaught since it has the highest rate of fire of all recon lasguns right?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[lucid herald]

Good

[tall torrent]

Not that onslaught is worth using anyway

[devout pecan]

trying to make a build for killing crushers and other elites, what weapon would you recomend

[tall torrent]

Power sword

[hollow ibex]

psword

[devout pecan]

b-but sniper

[hollow ibex]

helbore

[lucid herald]

Well I mean if I want to use recon lasgun I ain't gonna kill crusher without it unless I resort to meleeing them

[tall torrent]

Yea so just melee them

[devout pecan]

part of me feels bad that sword beats sniper in a peircing battle

[hollow ibex]

well technically guns can one shot crushers

which no melee can besides zealot's thunder hammer

[tall torrent]

It’s warhammer, things operate on the rule of cool here

[devout pecan]

yeah, I know, but I made my zelot and phsyker mele so I wanna use gun

[turbid ibex]

Vet is mostly hybrid class

[flat nexus]

Is 69/71 still the best for plasma, considering the move towards charged attacks?

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[flat nexus]

Okay ty

[tall torrent]

Ofc

I also updated guide a bit

Debloating

[flat nexus]

Yeah, I forgot that charge also affects the light attacks

[bold sierra]

did 3 Havoc40ish so far with infantry lasgun + power falchion

it's VERY reliable.

tried both MkVII and MkIIb so far

MkIIb

MkVII

pretty great boss dmg addup

reliable headshots now

ngl, I had some pretty good value with revive shout, it's not bad.

[turbid ibex]

i just saw you moved the class exclusive weapons inside of the class section instead of with the other weapons

[tall torrent]

Yes

Check shovel, power sword and plasma gun

Those will be the format going forward

Wat do u think

[turbid ibex]

hmmm the format itself i think is pretty good

very in depth but also simple to understand

the main critique i have i think is the same i had with the previous version

[tall torrent]

Which is?

[turbid ibex]

because i remember that in the first version the comparison between each weapon mark was more than simply "best variant" or "choose based on preference" with no additional information

but then that got changed

like even for the weapons where one mark is the undisputed best its helpful to know why that is the case

[flat nexus]

Does the shout revive benefit from revive speed?

[turbid ibex]

and for the weapons where you can actually choose which one to use knowing the pros and cons of each one also helps make a more informed decision

[turbid ibex]

i imagine its probably like an instant revive?

i never used it though so i cant say

[flat nexus]

I think they still have to go through the revive animation, but it's like if there wasn't anyone helping them up

I'm just curious if revive speed helps that, because I've seen some people do it faster than others

[turbid ibex]

didnt know that

[twin sapphire]

How do you build helbore and what Mk do you use?

[tall torrent]

No it’s an instant revive

[flat nexus]

Oh okay

[tall torrent]

I might add in a sentence for it

[turbid ibex]

ye doesnt need to be super in depth

just something more than just "this mark is the best" and "choose based on preference" with no additional clarification

im also not sure how to feel about the exclusive weapons being within the class sections

feels weird how it goes from talents straight to the weapons

maybe if there was like a header separating the two sections itd look better

and also separating the weapon section with the builds section

[tall torrent]

I kinda prefer this

[turbid ibex]

as in going straight from talents to weapons?

[tall torrent]

It conveys that “this weapon is exclusive to this class” more clearly

[turbid ibex]

true

i just think that not having anything separating the talent and weapon section feels a bit odd

maybe putting in a "(class) exclusive weapons" right under the keystone tab would be convenient

[tall torrent]

New format also looks way better on mobile devices

[turbid ibex]

probably

only other thing i think is worth mentioning is that it'd prob be a good idea to have the weapons be organized in alphabetical order

[tall torrent]

It’s really clean

[turbid ibex]

rather than uhhh whatever the hell you used to order

[turbid ibex]

nice

[turbid ibex]

but yeah this is def my main gripe with the guide is how the weapons arent in alphabetical order

what did you even order them based on?

[tall torrent]

I could do that

[tall torrent]

Axe -> chain -> sword -> power sword -> power blunt

[turbid ibex]

why is knife first then

[tall torrent]

Cuz it’s not any of those

I can reorder it yea

That’s ez

[turbid ibex]

its close enough to sword i'd put it there personally but yeah alphabetical order would be way better

[fringe trellis]

are melee weapons always locked into slot 1 ?

[turbid ibex]

wdym by slot 1?

you cant bring more than one melee if thats what youre asking

[fringe trellis]

i can't switch my ranged weapon into the melee slot

[turbid ibex]

you also cant bring two ranged weapons

thankfully otherwise quickplay would be even more hell

[tame lodge]

Yes because that's your primary

[sand abyss]

ok lads real talk, fatshark could do somthin real fuckin awesome with the yaricck annoucment

Storm bolter pistol

[charred halo]

GOOD ANSWER NEPHEW

anyway

infantry las marksmans focus - yes or no?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[sand abyss]

I want a laz fusil

[clear palm]

Yes! It's super fun with the buffed llb

[sand abyss]

This is a laz sniper

or a long laz

[narrow frost]

What's the difference between that and helbore?

[sand abyss]

Hellbore is more musket based for the ment to die troops to save on arms

Thats a long laz

Also give us the hellrifle and hell pisotl

[narrow frost]

Meant in as mechanic difference

Not lore difference

How'd they make them different functions

[sand abyss]

Idk not charge up

Id love a hotshot laz pistol too

[kind spruce]

Slower speed and movement for more damaging, accurate shots ig, like a bolter with more ammo (at least with hellguns)

Since most hotshot lasguns require a backpack or some form of body mounted power unit

Either that, or it becomes an lmg a la heavy stubber

[sand abyss]

Why i play alot of rouge trader

Lots of options on guns

like the stub pistol

[kind spruce]

Since I think scab gunners use hellguns as well

This would be fine since vet doesn't really have a true lmg option

[sand abyss]

Could dona funny and run a 90s era lazer module to the belt style thing

[kind spruce]

Wonder if there'll be even more with dark heresy

[sand abyss]

I hope so

[kind spruce]

Shit is so dumb nowadays but must have gone so hard in the 80s

[sand abyss]

Just like belt mount a smaller version of the hotshot laz pack

[fluid shadow]

Any of you got a infantry lasgun executioner stance build?

It can be exec or the shout, or both, it doesnt matter

[serene bough]

For IIb i run something along the lines of this

You may want to move talents around depending on if youre running havoc or not

[fringe trellis]

ok thanks

[tall torrent]

changed to alphabetical ordering

[turbid ibex]

nice

[nova carbon]

Yall ever seen a cat with da chain? Now you have

[thorny sluice]

literally me

[turbid ibex]

Koishi

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bouncy-bounce-bouncy-cat-cat-bounce-silly-cat-gif-5621340139381653523

[dapper fable]

greetings i am cat with chain

we got imposter among us

[nova carbon]

Who tf are you?

[dapper fable]

cat with chain

we got imposter among us

[nova carbon]

That we can agree on

[dapper fable]

be carefull

heretics

[nova carbon]

You too

[serene bough]

🍽️

[pastel knoll]

cat got that THANG on em

sheeeesh

[dapper fable]

greetings i am alpharius

[nova carbon]

(also this is rufus and no i have no idea why he looks like a judgemental sausage here)

[dapper fable]

my cat got lost

i am looking for my cat

he has chain

[nova carbon]

@dapper fable found em

[dapper fable]

please i miss my cat

where? plz

bro thats alpharius

you are bigger liar then me

[nova carbon]

What are you on about? Here he is -

[dapper fable]

hey give me my cat

you thief

[tall torrent]

I have really bad news for falchion fans

the actual damage increase to falchion's activated attacks average out at around 3.55% higher than before

@faint beacon

[hearty panther]

but thats more damage right

[turbid ibex]

Damn

Why did you ping me tho

[tall torrent]

it's 10 (at most) extra dmg

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[hearty panther]

hell yea

we eatin good falchion fans

[turbid ibex]

I think its the other way around lol

[faint beacon]

Your buff sir

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

fatshart coming up with the most dogshit buffs ever

[tame lodge]

That's ~3 more %

[solar elk]

this on the new missions works ok (malice)

[slow spade]

I would hope so :p

[turbid ibex]

Imagine if it didnt lmao

Wait holy shit the weapon perks 💀

[willow prairie]

malice

😭

[turbid ibex]

Im afraid of what the talent tree looks like...

[slow spade]

just for context on why the perks are bad

weakspot damage is probably the worst perk you can put on due to how weakspot damage works

5% crit chance is very meh too

the Precision Strike (+30% weakspot damage) talent on Vet is good by virtue of being a big number

[south spindle]

Darktide buildmaking in a nutshell; Number embiggification

[turbid ibex]

I mean thats buildmaking on almost every single thing that allows for buildmaking in the first place

[steep flower]

On that weapon that is; it has some use on other weapons

[south spindle]

Trueee

[turbid ibex]

Idk how you could even make a system where buildcrafting isnt "number embiggification" in some way

[next laurel]

cleave on shotgun means you can shoot into a crowd and the bullets will over-penetrate

but also shotguns are a meme so might as well make it a meme

but yeah weakspot damage on a weapon is only good if you can't decide on an armor perk

do reload speed

[turbid ibex]

Weakspot damage is never good

Its fucking godawful dogshit

[next laurel]

it helps with like

[turbid ibex]

Same for crit damage

[next laurel]

low damage melee weapons

crit damage is probably the most useless stat in existance

[turbid ibex]

Not nearly as much as picking an armor damage perk

[next laurel]

like

[turbid ibex]

As a perk or as a whole

Because if its the latter youre completely dead wrong

[next laurel]

the basic ass sword I might put flak armor damage and weakspot damage

[turbid ibex]

No you dont

[next laurel]

well why not

[turbid ibex]

Do you even know how it works

[next laurel]

it helps with hord clear

[turbid ibex]

By an abysmally low amount

[next laurel]

well yeah

what else am I gonna put

you just need a little damage to get a oneshot

[turbid ibex]

Because of how +weakspot/crit damage increases work it will always end up being less than 10% damage

[tame lodge]

Literally any other +armor damage

[turbid ibex]

+25% damage vs another armor type

[next laurel]

which

[turbid ibex]

Any

[tame lodge]

Usually Maniacs

[next laurel]

maniacs on the basic ass sword is pointless

[turbid ibex]

???

[tame lodge]

Woe
Flakiac epidemic upon ye

[next laurel]

you just parry spam them?

[tame lodge]

Do you know who are the maniacs?

All of them?

[next laurel]

the unarmored rager and the zero hp specials yeah

[turbid ibex]

Dreg rager, flamers, mutant and trapper

[next laurel]

the basic ass sword is for self defence and horde clear

so its really a choice between flak + 10% horde/10% weakspot/10% infected

to help cleave down the stupid assholes

[turbid ibex]

No its not

Again

[next laurel]

ok I'm listening

[tame lodge]

Which one is the basic ass sword again?

[hollow ibex]

dclaw i think he's saying

[turbid ibex]

Weakspot damage perk is always less than 10% damage increase

[next laurel]

the one with the name I cant remember

[turbid ibex]

No matter the weapon

[next laurel]

the one with no armor pen

except on the parry

[tame lodge]

If you mean poor flak damage then yeah
Dclaw

[turbid ibex]

Even if every single attack you hit over the course of a mission hits a weakspot

[tame lodge]

It already has respectful unarmored/infested damage so that's a waste of a perk slot

[next laurel]

and yet it doesnt oneshot infected zombies well enough

except if I put weakspot damage it gets better

[turbid ibex]

What does your build look like

[next laurel]

uh

[turbid ibex]

Because this could be that you are missing some damage on the tree itself

[next laurel]

idk I have so many

its not a vet only sword either

it was just cus that other guy had weakspot damage and I said its only worth considering if you cant decide on an armor perk

[hollow ibex]

unfortunately weakspot damage is a never take

it's truly pathetic

[next laurel]

yet you havnt said what to put instead

[hollow ibex]

if you do 10 damage to an enemy, 5 bonus damage from hitting a weakspot

you get 10% of 5 damage

[next laurel]

except maniac which I dont need

[hollow ibex]

not 15

[tame lodge]

Flak Maniacs

Woe

Flakiac upon ye

[next laurel]

I already have flak on it obv

[hollow ibex]

even stam would be more impactful

than weakspot damage

[tame lodge]

Another 500 weapons with Flakiac 🗣️

[turbid ibex]

Are you taking these talents

[south spindle]

I hate to tell you this, but DClaw is basically only "good" on Scum, its mid for everyone else

[next laurel]

oh I know its mid

[turbid ibex]

Because if you arent you are missing out on a good chunk of damage

[tame lodge]

Dclaw is not even good on scum

Because it's dclaw

[hollow ibex]

its usable on vet

[south spindle]

Hence the quotation marks 😄

[next laurel]

I only really use dclaw on ranged builds

maybe

[south spindle]

I still like it, but yeah its not comparing to TacAxe or such like things

[next laurel]

so I can hord clear and not die

I don't like TacAxe, Sword is better

[turbid ibex]

Its not

[next laurel]

well I disagree

it swings faster

[south spindle]

Da Fuq

[turbid ibex]

Taxe actually deals damage

And has great mobility

[south spindle]

TacAxe is the goatiest of goats

[next laurel]

its ok

I prefer the chainsword

[turbid ibex]

Chainsword also sucks ass against carapace

[next laurel]

if you have max finnesse sword you can hordclear without thinking

sure

[distant plaza]

No, Shovel Supremacy

[tame lodge]

Chainsword is indeed good at clearing poxxers horde

Just don't get Mixed Hordes

💀

[south spindle]

Well, yes, but also no. Shovel has the best moveset, TacAxe has the best performance

[next laurel]

nah its fine

[south spindle]

(Unless you're playing Scum, then it really doesnt matter)

[tame lodge]

For Chainsword? Not really

[distant plaza]

Non power/duelling sword meta slave just checking in

[south spindle]

I can agree with that, Duelling Sword is a pretty boring weapon and PSword feels horrendous to play with because its like swimming through concrete

[next laurel]

is dueling sword still meta after they changed it

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[next laurel]

I sleep

[tame lodge]

Just the worst horde clear in the game

But still meta

[next laurel]

thats what melee is for tho?

[distant plaza]

I thought that was the knife?

[silver patrol]

knife has unironically better horde clear

[next laurel]

are you gonna use ammo to clear hordes everytime?

[tame lodge]

Some of the knives attack have higher cleave than dueling sword and better damage distribution

[silver patrol]

you slam them with the sword 50 times or launch a grenade

[tame lodge]

That's more of a zealot problem

[distant plaza]

With a DB and no inferno psyker hell yeah

[tame lodge]

Vet is just throwing frags everywhere

Psyker

[next laurel]

suddenly the team is an option but when my chainsword doesn't kill crushers that's playing bad

[silver patrol]

well yeah

killing random trash and not even being that good at it and tickling armor is a problem

[next laurel]

nahs its very good at it

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura
Strong Aura light attack with DS until the horde dies

[silver patrol]

it's decent at it

[south spindle]

The best hordeclear is the RPG

[silver patrol]

use the heavy sword at that point

at least you can apply brittleness to crushers and pretent you are helping

[distant plaza]

Where’s the onslaught recon user going “I’m helping!” When you need one

[south spindle]

Waiting to respawn

[distant plaza]

No feeling quite like seeing the rpg wielding hive scum dump all three rockets into a pox walker horde just as the crusher conga line spawns in

[south spindle]

I like explosions ok

[woven oak]

If you're not hitting things with a shovel, are you really playing Vet?

[tall torrent]

added basic clarification
also added what patch 1.11 changed

[south spindle]

[woven oak]

Fancy

[distant plaza]

The blank major stagger column makes me sad

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[gilded pike]

is recon still a bit derp these days even outside of havoc 40 or am I just running on vibes

(comparing it with a boltgun lol)

[fair shale]

I don't think either of em are vets best options

Want to say they're both outside of the top 5 for sure

[gilded pike]

ooof

what's your top 5s then for ranged/melee these days

plasma didn't get clubbed like a baby seal then?

[inner iris]

i thought recon was meta for like a really long time

[silver patrol]

I don't think it has ever been

[inner iris]

just take onslaught and it becomes a crusher shredder and itll be good vs everything

[silver patrol]

you just made a mistake and every vet player in the chat will now ping you for the next 24 hours

[hollow ibex]

if by shred, you mean take 5 business days to kill a single crusher, then sure

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[turbid ibex]

Nice

[distant plaza]

40% brittleness through sixteen shots just for your resident hive scum to blow it up or other teammate to you know, actually hurt it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smokey-friday-movie-man-lets-jump-in-gif-15518934

[shut marsh]

question, how to deal with carapace/ragers if im going krieg build?

[fair shale]

Helbore lol

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
combat axe III
duelling sword IV
combat blade VI
chainaxe XII

plasma gun
revolver IIa
helbore (any)
inf auto V
vig auto III

prob my personal top5 for vet melee & ranged

[tame lodge]

Helbore

Either shoot them from far away

Or stab em up close

Anyways what's your melee?

[willow prairie]

shovel

😔

[tall torrent]

DB is also really close to top 5

[tame lodge]

Special Push Attack

[willow prairie]

unironically bromentum on vet shovel when

[tame lodge]

You know what's crazy

Doesn't have good enough breakpoints to be a good BM user

💀

[tall torrent]

can't hit breakpoints

[tame lodge]

Still

[tall torrent]

dmg too low

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah played my first expedition today

[willow prairie]

I forgot that it compete with uncanny and decimator

[tame lodge]

Had to clutch but I'm goated

So that's just normal to me atp

Anyways
#buffGunlugger

The pack master showed up and immediately got kraked

Easiest penance oat

[viral nacelle]

So idk about elsewhere but kant9 with exe + marks is actually kinda good in expeditions

There’s so many comically long sightlines it works

I super duper uber invested in grenades so I can krak the dangerous stuff and went knife so I’m not an immobile potato due to left tree 😂

“Must click heads” mode is a fun change

[shut marsh]

best melee to pair with laspistol?

[tame lodge]

Psword

[sonic kayak]

Best gun to pair with the Psword?

[turbid ibex]

Plasma

[sonic kayak]

checkmate

[errant prawn]

is survivalist even worth it anymore? i feel like 1% isn't that much

[serene bough]

it is the most impactful aura in the game

deff still worth

[tame lodge]

It's s++ tier

100% worth it

[amber vortex]

I cant imagine running recon las without it

[viral nacelle]

Tac axe

Go fast stab much

[frigid rover]

free ammo for everyone is quite nice

[orchid hemlock]

It's always Power Sword 😈

[viral nacelle]

I really do not like power sword, every time I’ve used it I regret taking it over knife or other stuff

[hollow ibex]

it's the strongets melee in the game

but it's an acquired taste

[slow spade]

it's also the only melee I know of for Vet that can directly bypass bulwark shields

as you can hug a Bulwark and 1-tap it through its shields

fucking ogryn event 😭

[deep bone]

What should I run for power falchion

What perks?

[south spindle]

The Powersword

[limpid turtle]

Unpopular opinion: But a Maccabian Jannisaries set would be absolutely smashing

[amber vortex]

Anything is better than krieg

[turbid ibex]

check pinned guide

[slow spade]

I've been asking for years

it will never happen :c

[slow spade]

Heat Sink + Energy Leakage are my go-tos

obligatory "just use a power sword" though

[willow rain]

So, which power sword mk y'all be usin

[hollow ibex]

6 is the best

[junior grail]

Same, death masks be bussin

[deep bone]

Yea I tried it

Immediately switched back to power sword

[slow spade]

all the weaknesses of power sword with none of the upsides lol

[slow spade]

Maccabians when?

[tall torrent]

VI
check pinned guide

[willow rain]

I prefer 3 ngl

I don't like the push poke on IV

[limpid turtle]

I predicted the Arbites being a class with a pet in 2023

It'll happen, eventually

[deep bone]

If I crash out of an expedition one more damn time I’m gonna actually go insane lmao

[unreal nova]

Modded? Or pub hotjoin public game?

[deep bone]

Public

I’m on Xbox

It crashes everytime I enter sanctuary

[unreal nova]

Hotjoining in sanctuary can crash.

It's literally a fancy load screen.

[deep bone]

Its not when I hotjoin

[unreal nova]

If anyone joins then.

[deep bone]

Even when I start the expedition form beginning it does it

Tragedy

[unreal nova]

Safe to join in the actual areas, sanct hotjoin will blep.

[deep bone]

Why does the emperor give me his hardest missions (not crashing whenever an new thing drops)

[serene bough]

i find these expeditions dont fill up as often

[slow spade]

I had 1 Arbites crash 3 times during an Expedition

I think I can take a guess why

poor dude just wanted to play

[blazing jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1482490781133574355/image_V33.gif

[shut olive]

chat how do we like power falchion in h40

[slow spade]

it was barely buffed

you're better off with a power sword still

[gilded wraith]

Which ranged weapons are shining in Expeditions?

[tame lodge]

Vigilant

[gilded wraith]

Cool, figured that, helbore, and maybe zaronna revolver?

Wish shock trooper wasn't limited to las.

[tall torrent]

it got 2.4~5.3% more dmg for activated attacks

effectively unchanged

[slow spade]

bolter did well for me, damage dropoff isn't an issue for it and boss damage is handled by the funny mortar grenade

plasma should be well too for similar reasons

[north flint]

i set a filter in gameslanterns for veteran build that were updated in the last 30 days and use vigilant guess how many builds it found

[tame lodge]

Guess how much it matters

[hollow ibex]

don't trust GL public builds

[tame lodge]

[deep bone]

Real talk is deadshot any good now or no?

[hollow ibex]

niche

[deep bone]

Thinking of running it with vigilant Autogun

[hollow ibex]

not worth it on vigils prob

[deep bone]

Yea

Maybe use it for infantry las then

Mk IX

Slow firing one

[serene bough]

i wouldnt bother using

but if youre inclinded to then yeah the IX ilas

[deep bone]

Tbh on my current build Mk.VII Ilas performs pretty the same with or without it

So gonna just run a different perk lol

[hollow ibex]

i wouldn't bother with ilas in general

[deep bone]

I’m not

Gonna swap it out

ILAs feels better this patch

Finally can swap off Infantry Auto

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura 🗣️

[serene bough]

im in love with the recoil reduction

but im still playing with how to build it

[potent talon]

do we have a good build for expiditions yet ? looking for ideas

the hoards are massiive

[deep bone]

I use a pretty standard Exe stance build for it

Works fine for what I need it for

[serene bough]

im still playing with key talents and deciding if i need rending or not

[tame lodge]

Power Sword 6 24/7

🗣️

[potent talon]

I never take it offffffffff

[somber axle]

Infantry Lasgun Mk IX and Mk IIb were both very solid for the expeditions I ran

VII is probably fine too

the lasguns just feel good there

[deep bone]

Shovel is so goated dawg

[shut olive]

just yolod random build in high havoc with lasgun, very cool, except we had carapace seed so very not cool half the time

[latent star]

The issue I still have with the infantry lasguns is they end up feeling like bad las pistols

a good build and good aim can do quite a bit with a bad las pistol

but its still a bad las pistol

[rustic kite]

Which chainsword is best for horde clear?

[rustic kite]

Could be an aim issue

[dry cloak]

13g

[rustic kite]

Which one is that. . .

[dry cloak]

XIIIg

[rustic kite]

Ty

Is it best to lightspam with jt?

Or should I be throwing in heavies?

[dry cloak]

maybe just go into psykhanium and swing around?

[rustic kite]

Doesn't really tell me much besides damage

[viral nacelle]

I been doing auric expeditions and my solution to hordes has been to take knife and stab thru light stuff while evading the really big hordes. Vet horde clear is not great when compared to other classes with infinite cleave ranged and melee weapons. So I focus on long range shooting of enemy shooters/specials and kraking cara since vet does this really well.

So long as you’re mobile enough to get back to the group you can still manage a lot of splitting up.

[viral nacelle]

Tells you how the weapon feels

[tame lodge]

Xiiig H1 H2 have no cleave

Therefore not good for hordes

[potent talon]

Sounds like a good plan thank you sah

[bold sierra]

laspistol suffers at range, and more or less require shocktrooper + 25% ammo to make it good. Not to mention, no inverted dmgfall off. And Ghost on inflasgun is honestly super goated vs Ghost on laspistol, not that ppl bring it with laspistol anyway. Headshots is key, which should be very consistent now, I'm not a great aim at all and even I was able to get headshots consistently.

Your job with veteran is mostly killing gunners, reapers, shooters and specials anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH6AyAgz5ps 2nd game of Havoc this update with Infantry Lasgun + Power Falchion, it was great. Not H40 yet but H34 is basically the same.

[rustic kite]

I love two tapping reapers

[bold sierra]

you can 4-tap Reapers with infantry lasgun at range with headshots in H40 I believe, which is goated

3 maybe if you crit, but im spitballign with that

[rustic kite]

I haven't done havoc yet unfortunately

I'm not sure if my builds would last in it and I'm not tryin hold back my team.
If you couldn't tell I stroll round Auric and Damnation as a cadian cosplay and since at first I was going off og 10th edition models I used the knife on all but mt sergant until now lol

[bold sierra]

fair enough lol, i've played just about EVERYTHING in H40s haha

[rustic kite]

The sole reason I want to do havoc is for the drip

[tropic halo]

less about builds and more your skill

and team coorrination

[lone mesa]

Whats dump stat for shredder auto? Mobility?

[tropic halo]

cant type for nothing with headset lol

[blazing jetty]

Either mobility or collateral

[lone mesa]

ok good thing i saved 1 of each

how about helbore?

[latent star]

Mobility

or is it stability?

One of those two

don't remember if they have mobility

[tall torrent]

I kinda like IX with MF + ES + rending

but

MF really needs like

2 point save to feel good to build

it's just so abysmally limiting

bottom left needs a lot of work

[slow spade]

yeah when I tried it again it felt "functional" but nothing fantastic

it was also jarring not 1-tapping flak enemies lol

[lone mesa]

no mobility, so stability then?

[bold sierra]

im thinking of dumping Stbility on inf lasgun, go for more mobility

[dry cloak]

dump ammo

really

[blazing jetty]

Either stability or charge rate, but you can also get away with dumping ammo if you're using the surgical blessing with the shock trooper talent

[lone mesa]

not a bad idea

[slow spade]

just be aware it does lower your mag size which can be annoying if RNG is not on your side

[lone mesa]

ohh didn't think of that

[bold sierra]

yeah might, the ammo buff is prety hefty

[lone mesa]

i liked the shredder auto after my first run of it but not quite as much mobility while aiming as i was hoping for, even with 80 mobility

now, if only braced autos could aim that fast though. Tertium would be spot free

[devout pecan]

making a marksman build around the hellbore, but having a hard time choosing blessings, any tips from you all?

[dry cloak]

check the guide in the pins

[devout pecan]

did not know that existed, thank you

[grand perch]

funny, thats kind of my meme ILAS armour piercing meme build

been using that a lot since i started playing again

[trail ore]

@grand perch nice PFP feller..

[past peak]

Okay.

[viral nacelle]

Some of the people in auric expeditions are experienced players with a lot of build and game knowledge. And some of them are schmucks who rolled out of bed and chose violence

[olive halo]

it is what is is

[serene dragon]

Whats a good vet build

[devout plank]

join us on strike team 21

[unreal nova]

Naw, there's a known bug that's even worse before patch. If someone died and you flee to the door instead of rescuing them first, they'll rake up 10+ deaths.

Cos they count as dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, new pickup point.

Cos of how the game loads areas.

I had a 19 deaths game where only 2 were legit.

[serene bough]

That's funny

Super dead

[scenic mantle]

In the past I was playing zealot. Last night after not playing in about a year I tried to make a veteran (never played before) I was so terrible I was embarrassed. I’d like to say it’s bc my character was level 1 but that might be just cope on my part

I’ve never played veteran, Ogryn, or the hive class

I’ve only ever done well as zealot and the arbites

[unreal nova]

I can tell you cos bots keep dying and my way of clutching is to solo at the door to the sanct.

GTFO and even managed to skip a capt fight by slamming the door shut in his face.

Cos as long as boss isn't in the airlock when it closes, it just despawns/dies during the sanct load.

The sanct is actually a disguised loadscreen.

Would explain server dying when ppl hotjoin there.

Or crashes.

[pale spear]

Im experimenting with a veteran combat shotgun crit build. Im cant choose between these 2 setups. any reason to use one over the other?

[south spindle]

Manstopper is infinite cleave

Typically used with Weap'Spec tho so you don't actually need Scattershot

Probably better to change perks too

[hollow pier]

The bleed stacks are more useful for bosses when you run out of little guys to farm buffs from

[charred halo]

pay taxes

[fading rivet]

Aim under the chin of heretics to watch their heads go boom.

[grand perch]

as the OG taxe enjoyer i can only approve of their apparent popularity now

[lyric portal]

i need good expedition loadout

[charred halo]

infantry lasgun and power sword

[south spindle]

No, my TacAxe is tax exempt

[charred halo]

infantry is amazing when you get to click on heads in an open field

[south spindle]

Pfft, get in line, I been playing that shit since beta

[charred halo]

and power sword is for handling hordes

[grand perch]

same. what now?

[south spindle]

Well now I guess we fight over it

[torpid grotto]

I played since alpha

[viral nacelle]

Cap really worth fighting, 200 bux

I actively seek out bosses to fight

[charred halo]

manstopper is basically required

[unreal nova]

Not when last one alive.

And not with data in hand.

Especially not on my psyker with 0 boss damage.

Unless you count slowly tickling boss hp.

And especially not capts, the shield means soulblaze do nothing.

[tame lodge]

As the og taxe slanderer I can only loathe their apparent popularity now

[viral nacelle]

Me grimly oscurusung boss to death after closing the door for that money 😂

Locked in battle for literal rl days due to horrible boss damage but by god I’ll have the bastard

[grand perch]

never change higui

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

I'm firestick vent.

[south spindle]

I miss when Vet chat was full of degeneracy tbh

[turbid ibex]

hi firestick vent

[steep flower]

When was that

🤔

[solar valve]

hows the infantry las

[south spindle]

Year one

[unreal nova]

You just want a bullet to the head.

[rustic kite]

My faith in my skills arent that high either lol. I'd like to say I survive a long time but i have a bad habit of not giving up good angles until its too late and I'm being swarmed lol

[fading rivet]

So, it would appear the closer enemies are to you the more left you should aim. The further they are the more right you should aim. Opposite of third person shooter.

[tropic halo]

It is only a matter of time until you learn how be patient agaisnt armour hordes

[turbid ibex]

:3

[willow prairie]

@turbid ibex from your funny shotgun build why no respite over fullbore

[turbid ibex]

what

what fucking shotgun build

[willow prairie]

wrong ping

[plain osprey]

Since nothing productive ever happened in zealot Chat, lemme ask here. Anyone have a good flamer build for the zealot?

[silver patrol]

it's literally any build + knife

[atomic void]

there's no specific build for flamer cause zealot has like 1 or 2 ranged buff perks

[silver patrol]

pretty sure nobody invests into the flamer

[silver patrol]

not like there is much to invest in

[willow prairie]

@hollow ibex

[turbid ibex]

i wish zealot had some synergy with burn on their talent tree

instead of purely bleed

[plain osprey]

Smart thinking

[tame lodge]

Just get anoint in blood

There

Done

Enjoy your build

[silver patrol]

i think the flamer has fallen off of favour lately tho

[turbid ibex]

why would you get annoint for flamer?

[tame lodge]

Because close ranged damage

[turbid ibex]

isnt 99% of the damage from the burn instead of the direct stream

[tame lodge]

Yeah which is ranged

[turbid ibex]

wha

how the fuck is the burn DoT ranged damage

[tame lodge]

Well you're here

And the burning enemy is all the way over there

[turbid ibex]

??????????

[austere mica]

By being stupid

[silver patrol]

yeah

[turbid ibex]

oh

ok that explains it

[austere mica]

Its not actually a ranged damage buff

[silver patrol]

it's just any damage while you are wielding your ranged