veteran-class

[calm shard]

Usually dclaw sword. Oh it's "bad into carapace" whatever man I helbore them

[delicate estuary]

depends on your priorities tbh

[dapper coyote]

How is the ilas now?

[delicate estuary]

if you pub or you want to clutch with ease I would recommend any high mobility weapon over anything else

[distant mural]

I wanna like the hellbore so bad

But this thing keeps pissing me off with the charging up before shooting

[delicate estuary]

takes some time getting used to it

you using the slow variant ? and if yes you running weight of fire ?

[distant mural]

I think its the slow one

The one with the most dmg

I dont know the blessings in my head

My main problem with it is clise range

[delicate estuary]

ye cant gvive any tips there other than play more with it

[distant mural]

Yeah i figured

[torpid sundial]

God I love the power falchion

I already found it okay before the buff

and now its smoother into everything

[distant mural]

Show ur falchion build rn

Btw what diff is this?

[willow prairie]

the main problem is dclaw suck against flak lol

[torpid sundial]

auric

cant be any lower

[distant mural]

Ok i see

Thx

[torpid sundial]

swap out focus target for weap spec to have more gunplay

though focus fire makes it a lot easier to kill bosses

[distant mural]

I will use this with exe stance

And bolter

[torpid sundial]

power falchion is okayish in ranged builds

but it really shines in melee vet

[distant mural]

I like it as bolter sidearm

[torpid sundial]

I use it for my helbore sidearm myself

its okay for waveclear and I dont use melee super often

[distant mural]

Yeah

And it has good dodges

[torpid sundial]

though if using it for waveclear

use the mk1 variant

[distant mural]

I think i am

[torpid sundial]

since it has all horizontals

the mkiib I use for melee vet is better at dealing with elites and bosses

has good waveclear too but its diagonals but you can deal with rager hordes by just light spamming too

so its very versatile

for a melee weap

[distant mural]

Yeah i think thats the one im using

[lunar walrus]

hey guys question: what are grid points?

im new with the update and it says to unlock next area, i need certain grid points etc

tyvm

[pseudo fiber]

Grid points are the like alpha, beta, gamma nodes you pick before the mission

[true oasis]

The withering fire perk is feeling pretty cool for zarona combat shottie special shots. Makes it easier to take flachette and scattershot blessings. +50% ranged cleave is still obviously not as good as infinite cleave with manstopper, but then you either take off flachette or scattershot. Still trying to figure if withering fire is worth for this. Felt bad seeing how cult ragers weren't cleaved through

[unreal nova]

Memes on the crit DB WS build. You thought it chews hordes? It chews even thiccer hordes now.

[orchid hemlock]

I'm more of a Gamma male myself

[true oasis]

DB WS? Double barrel woman stopper?

[unreal nova]

Weapon Specialist.

Whack 3 things, unload DB into the rest.

Everything is either dead or bleeding.

[true oasis]

Ah, not an update to manstopper. I'm guessing you run that with manstopper, not the new withering fire perk

[unreal nova]

Flech+Manstopper+withering.

Eats even thiccer hordes.

If you can get them to funnel.

Though honestly, you only get to see it in lower mortis soloing lul. Pileup go poof.

[tame lodge]

Smoke nades making the game crash on expeditions has been fixed

That being said

Smokes crashing games is hilarious

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[unreal nova]

Wait, why?

[ancient lynx]

How

Wdym smoke crashes game

Is darktide that shitty now?

Also where's my red visor.

[tame lodge]

Fatshark has the funniest bugs

[unreal nova]

Such quality.

Oh, there is a bug if you have to hoof it to the sanct with ppl dead.

[ancient lynx]

I mean I knew it was dogshit on launch day. While everything was dying and crumbling down only the microtransactions and in game shop that makes you pay with irl money was the one working

[unreal nova]

The death counter for that mission will be like 15+.

They only died once.

[ancient lynx]

New mission?

[unreal nova]

Game said deaths on said mission is 19.

[tame lodge]

New mode

[ancient lynx]

Oh you mean the boring gacha box 40k

[unreal nova]

Cos we didn't rescue them due to timer cutting too close.

[ancient lynx]

Saw that yeah

[tame lodge]

No idea what this mean

Since I don't gacha

[dire wyvern]

What’s everyone’s vet build for expedition? I just ran recon last/kraks build and we got through beta

[slow spade]

I used agri shotgun + power sword

Though I might swap to a bolter for funsies

[unreal nova]

Vraks, dueling/knoife, frags, stealth. More gun, stealth is for minigames, solo rescues or just solo looting while team does the next PoI.

[ancient lynx]

Tbh I dont care for other stuff. Im hoping that fatshark can make some nice skin for weapon and character cosmetic without making us pay real money.

Something decent

[dire wyvern]

Haven’t tried a stealth vet build yet

[ancient lynx]

It's fun iirc

[unreal nova]

Dueling/knoife is more for speed.

[ancient lynx]

Dueling is alright I guess

I like my chainsword more

[dire wyvern]

I went the power falcon

[ancient lynx]

It is quite rare to see some use that ngl

[unreal nova]

It is since I just need to go fast to loot and run back.

[dire wyvern]

Slices through hordes

[ancient lynx]

Chainsword can do that too.

I think

Can it do that?

[dire wyvern]

Haven’t used it yet

[turbid ibex]

Unless there is carapace in there

[tame lodge]

It's like

[turbid ibex]

The second carapace shows up chainsword is fucked

[tame lodge]

Top 2 poxxers only clear

[unreal nova]

Powersword can't be top, right, RIGHT?

[ancient lynx]

That's why we have ranged weapons I think

Or krak

Whatever it is

[tame lodge]

Rashad iirc

But you have to sprint cancel

[turbid ibex]

Most guns arent good against carapace

[ancient lynx]

I think it should be allowed to use like one handed ranged weapon like revolver or bolt pistol should be able to use it at the same time.

Would be nice

[slow spade]

Handcannon for all guns when?

[turbid ibex]

Only exceptions are like helbore and uhhh

[ancient lynx]

Plasma?

[turbid ibex]

Ig revolver with handcannon?

[turbid ibex]

No

[ancient lynx]

I mean it is still good for big units

Does the job no?

[slow spade]

It'll do damage but it takes too long to kill as it flops them around

[ancient lynx]

Fair

I do think we could use the handgun and melee at the same time.

[true oasis]

Isn't withering a wasted perk if you have manstopper? Manstopper already has infinite cleave

[ancient lynx]

Like, why not at this point

[turbid ibex]

If you mean bulwarks and reapers then ig?

[slow spade]

If only Fatshark had some game to base dual-wielding off of

[ancient lynx]

Oh yeah if they had one

Oh I wonder if fatshark ever had such

[slow spade]

It's wild how many mistakes they retread from vermintide

[turbid ibex]

Would probably be a nightmare to implement a system like it

[slow spade]

I swear you'd think they're forbidden from contact

[slow spade]

If only they could have foreseen the Vermintide players might like dual-wielding

[turbid ibex]

Unless its specifically a weapon that is both a melee and a pistol that comes with it

[ancient lynx]

I mean... we do have it in vermintide 2 that has melee AND pistol

Dual wield

[turbid ibex]

Isnt that like the example i said above

A specific weapon that has both built into the same item

Rather than being able to combine two separate weapons and hold both at the same time

[ancient lynx]

Yeah but it's not like they don't have the experience

They could just ask whoever did the balancing

[turbid ibex]

Its not just balancing

[slow spade]

I mean they had 3 years to implement dual wielding

[ancient lynx]

I guess I have to wait than

One day

[slow spade]

Expecting anything from Fatshark in a competent state is futility

[turbid ibex]

If you could take any random 1 handed melee and ranged weapons to have both equipped at the same time would probably require a fuckton of work to implement

[ancient lynx]

I know, expecting fatshark to do something nice is expecting trump to release the list.

[turbid ibex]

I could def see a melee that the special has you pull out a sidearm and shoot it though

[ancient lynx]

Or whatever awful comparison I can think of

[slow spade]

"Best I can do is a portrait take it or leave it"

[ancient lynx]

Lol

[turbid ibex]

Tbh what would even be the reason for using that system even if they implement it

[slow spade]

I still remember the fucking rat tail trinket lol

[ancient lynx]

I am still bit annoyed bout them removing red visor from the helmet.

Did they remove it?

[slow spade]

Funny

[turbid ibex]

One handed weapons already have really fast swap times

[ancient lynx]

On the cosmetic

[slow spade]

It made people happy so probably

[ancient lynx]

Happy? How

Or was that sarcasm

[slow spade]

Cooler cosmetic

[turbid ibex]

Plus it would likely have some unbelievable jank with talents that interact with swapping weapons like weapon specialist

[slow spade]

Just make it proc both and build stacks at the same time

[ancient lynx]

Oh now I get it.

[turbid ibex]

Yeah lmao if thats the only reason it would not be worth at all

[slow spade]

You say that but they added tox bomber

No one wanted more tox gas

[ancient lynx]

Yeah.. it did make lot of ppl happy so fat shark was like 'I detected people having fun..? In our game? No way."

[turbid ibex]

It was unintentional

The visor that is

[ancient lynx]

I know

[turbid ibex]

You could even see the visor clipping into the helmet

[ancient lynx]

They said it was "bug"

[slow spade]

I wish they kept the shirtless bug

I think my char has a tattoo? Probably

[ancient lynx]

Bug that made their dogshit cosmetic look cool

[turbid ibex]

What shirtless bug?

[ancient lynx]

Or at least likeable

The fact that they added the ember visor right after that is the point I got pissed bout that's all

[slow spade]

https://youtu.be/h93v9i7qC0o?si=eI3Q9-3YjPtIybuy

Old bug where you could make your chars shirtless

[turbid ibex]

I see

[ancient lynx]

It's like they are saying "oh you guys were being happy without paying real money? That ain't happening."

[turbid ibex]

Idk i just use the penance cosmetics

[slow spade]

I wonder if the steel legion cosmetics will ever return now that GW seems to be ignoring them lol

[ancient lynx]

It was penance cosmetic

[turbid ibex]

Wasnt it commisary?

Im pretty sure it was commisary

[ancient lynx]

Oh nvm it was

I guess im using the mods

The hell I am going to pay fat turds

More than game

[slow spade]

I just want my funny meltagun

[ancient lynx]

Tho havoc armors are nice. But that it

[ancient lynx]

You know what we say, "wishing fatshark to make players happy is not gonna happen"

[turbid ibex]

Maybe with the admech class

But even then idk if itll be added

[ancient lynx]

If anything, They'll put more effort oin to making this game more unstable and shittier than before

[turbid ibex]

Like what would melta even do

[slow spade]

Its best c:

Plasma flamethrower, surely you can do something neat with it

[turbid ibex]

How do meltas work in lore

[ancient lynx]

I mean melta is something guardsman use so..

[slow spade]

They fire a stream of super-heated chemicals that burn as hot as plasma

[ancient lynx]

Oh basically big heat beam.

[slow spade]

The heat beam is old lore

[turbid ibex]

Arent beams the volkite weapons?

[turbid ibex]

So basically like zealot's flamer?

[slow spade]

To be fair, "weapon that heats up the target" is everywhere in 40k

[ancient lynx]

But we know for sure that it will kill space marine

But anything can I guess

[slow spade]

Except way hotter and only a sudden spray due to overheat

[turbid ibex]

So zealot flamer but stronger and with a heat gauge

[ancient lynx]

Well by the lore if you are near it indoors you might blind your allies

Temporarily

[pseudo fiber]

They're both beams but melta is a lot more common

[slow spade]

It'll basically aim at you then suddenly you're covered in super heated, sticky plasma

[turbid ibex]

Im going to be real with you

You arent really doing a great job at getting me sold on melta

[ancient lynx]

Also it is the favorite weapon of choice by Jurgen. The best wingman.

[slow spade]

Why would I sell you?

I want Fatshark to make it

[ancient lynx]

You either use it or not. That simple

[slow spade]

If somehow the idea of a plasma chemthrower isn't cool to you, that's your issue

[turbid ibex]

Like convincing me it would be wirth implementing

Like we already have zealot flamer

[slow spade]

Its almost as if they can just add it anyways

[ancient lynx]

I mean it's not like you work for them or something

[turbid ibex]

I dont

[ancient lynx]

If that was the case maybe but, you are nobody like us. At least to them

[turbid ibex]

But im just saying that with how youre describing it i can see why fatshark hasnt implemented it yet

[ancient lynx]

Cause it is in the lore?

At some point they'll add powerfist too

If the game is still being serviced that is

[turbid ibex]

Powerfist on ogryn could be funny and god knows the big guy needs new stuff

[pseudo fiber]

The fact it also has two different interpretations on how it functions doesn't help

[slow spade]

Cool, didn't ask

[ancient lynx]

Don't think ogryn ever had powerfist

They too dumb to use such stuff.

[slow spade]

Yeah it's a pain because DoW has it shown as a laser but Rogue Trader has it shown as a thrower

Funny times

[somber axle]

Idk Space Marine 2 has both Plasma and Melta, and they're both distinct in that game so it'd probably be fine here too but it's probably being saved for a new class like something related to AdMech

[slow spade]

The problem is both can be correct

[ancient lynx]

Talking bout DoW. I should play some apocalypse mod

[turbid ibex]

Also a flamethrower-style ranged weapon would not fit vet's playstyles at all

[somber axle]

That's probably when we get the Plasma Pistol, Radium weapons, etc. too

[ancient lynx]

Radium weapons huh

[somber axle]

I can only hope and pray

[ancient lynx]

I don't think they would..?

[somber axle]

The only way it would ever happen is with an AdMech class

[ancient lynx]

Probably

[turbid ibex]

Ye admech is the most likely i can see for meltagun being added

[somber axle]

No other class in the game would ever get their hands on it

[slow spade]

Like I could explain how implementing a melta into Darktide could work. But I don't want to

But I do want a melta

[somber axle]

I also want the Omnissiah Axe from Rogue Trader

But that's also firmly an AdMech flavour

[slow spade]

Ultimate Apocalypse imploded and its being revived. Unification is the most intact atm

[somber axle]

I want a LongLas for Vet but that's been a terrible idea for standard gameplay. But with Expeditions it might be semi-viable

[slow spade]

Unification is also vanilla balanced so its actually functional

[turbid ibex]

We'll see if admech will get it then

[slow spade]

If you do try Ultimate Apocalypse, spam turrets and walls. You'll need them

[turbid ibex]

Because i really dont see vet getting a weapon like it

[slow spade]

I don't see Fatshark adding a new weapon type in general

Psyker hasn't gotten a new staff ever

[pseudo fiber]

Especially with new classes being economically viable

According to Cole that's what the weapon designers were busy with

[ancient lynx]

Yeah but it seems like unification mod hates Linux so

I have to use UA

[turbid ibex]

Ye the weapon designers have been busy with the dlc classes

[slow spade]

Rip, it is what it is then. Unification is busy fixing whatever Relic patches

To be fair, Relic did make it use more than 2 gb RAM without mods so immediately 10/10

[ancient lynx]

Well I mean I can just install dow unification mods on my windows

That is so dumb yeah

[slow spade]

It released on 2001 so such is life

[ancient lynx]

4gb thingy is there too if you use it with the mod manager

[slow spade]

I hope they add a grenade focused class

[ancient lynx]

It's on the newest mod manager iirc

[slow spade]

I want more explosions

[turbid ibex]

Veteran

Literally just veteran lmao

[slow spade]

Oh trust me, I'm very aware of how to make DoW1 more stable

[slow spade]

You know perfectly well that's not enough

Also it would be ogryn

[turbid ibex]

Nah ogryn cant spam grenades at all

[slow spade]

"Screen resolution affects stability" DoW please...

[slow spade]

Rumbler doesn't exist?

[turbid ibex]

Vet (and dogless arb) can just spam the hell out of their blitzes

[turbid ibex]

Alright fair enough

Im talking more about blitzes

[serene bough]

Maybe one day we'll see vet get a grenade launcher

[slow spade]

The new Barrage ability got buffed. RUMBLER IS BACK ON THE MENU

[turbid ibex]

And rumbler spam is one specific build

[turbid ibex]

Ehhhh idk

I could see arb getting a grenade launcher, but vet is a stretch i think

[slow spade]

I do find funny of all the special weapons IG gives to guardsmen we got the plasma

[slow spade]

"Oops all flashbangs"

[turbid ibex]

Besides with how much vet can spam blitzes you might as well be the grenade launcher

[turbid ibex]

Tbf what other ones are there

Plasma as it was implemented fits pretty much perfectly into vet's main role of specialist and ranged elite sniping

[slow spade]

Melta

The heavy stubber in the skill tree art

Those ones are ones that Fatshark at least comsidered or are aware of

[turbid ibex]

Ive already talked about how i dont think melta doesnt fit vet's playstyle

The lmg i agree tho that one couldve been cool

[slow spade]

With all the armor spam, there's no way an AOE anti-armor weapon could be useful 🤔

[turbid ibex]

Not what i meant

[slow spade]

Guardsmen canonically use meltas and we have wackier shit in our arsenal

[warm swallow]

I relapsed and went back to knife

Psword was good but knife mobility

[slow spade]

The Tertium Stabber returns

[last marten]

vet knife is goated

[turbid ibex]

Meltas wouldnt really fit into what vet uses their ranged for which is sniping priority targets and i dont really see it gaining much from his tree

[turbid ibex]

Wdym by aoe?

I thought it was like flamer

[slow spade]

In what way would you not classify a flamer-like weapon as AOE?

[slow spade]

Braced autos on suicide watch

Guess we have to remove them all

[turbid ibex]

When i think aoe i mainly think either explosions or a cone like psyker shriek but ye i understand

[turbid ibex]

Tbf brautos just suck lol

And also are available on all classes and not exclusive to vet

Like melta would be in this scenario

[slow spade]

Hear me out

Universal meltas

Ogryn gets a Multi-melta

Zealot gets inferno pistol because a zealot slighted me once

[fringe trellis]

Hey all , I recently started playing Darktide and I am was wondering if any news was available when we get the Vostroyan firstborn cosmetics back?

[nova carbon]

It's such a shame cuz they look and sound great

[pseudo fiber]

Probably in the next two weeks

Since they added recolours for them in the new patch

[fringe trellis]

That looks awsome !

I designed my boy to be a Vostron , is there also a way to have them in their original colour scheme?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that'll be back too

[fringe trellis]

I am excited for this 😄

They are my favourite Guards regiment

[hallow rain]

HEY

There was a visored helmet in the comissary

[pseudo fiber]

They are the best

Yes that was a bug

[hallow rain]

NOOO

Thats cruel

It was too drippy

They couldnt let us have it for free

[fringe trellis]

They so are xD

[fringe trellis]

😍

[pseudo fiber]

So probably in the next two weeks (it's fatshark you never know)

Or whenever the shop next updates actually the 2nd of April probably

[dry galleon]

Would be really cool and nice of obese fish to simply allow us to have access to all the items in the slop shop instead of this doo doo rotation.

[fringe trellis]

Thank you 😄

I have a question as well , I am just 21 what would be the best way to continue levelling ?

[turbid ibex]

Playing the game

Not much to it besides that

Maybe adding +10% experience on your curios until you reach level 30 but thats about it

And also playing on higher difficulties

[pseudo fiber]

For that reason they're gonna make you wait for a set even longer

[fringe trellis]

Ok so i could just jump into the new content then or wait maybe?

[pseudo fiber]

You can

[dry galleon]

Go for it king

Fuck it we ball mentality

[fringe trellis]

haha thanks guys ! the Emperor Protects !

Also what is the average price of the cosmetics?

[turbid ibex]

3 kidneys

[unreal nova]

Depends on where you are from.

For me, they are around $18 per set.

[fringe trellis]

Belgium

[unreal nova]

You can just go to the shop and look at prices.

Items range from 500 Aquilas to 2900 Aquilas.

[fringe trellis]

i don't know i have they have fluid pricing for certain items

[unreal nova]

Why is easier to check yourself.

[fringe trellis]

I know and i will 😄

[unreal nova]

Take the bundle you are most willing to pay for to do maths.

I use the highest.

Cos is cheaper that way, outside of the newbie first time pack.

[dry galleon]

Weapon skins have the best value imo. It's what you actually look at.

[fringe trellis]

Yeah fair

[unreal nova]

Of course, if you just wanna drip on others, it fine to just grab whatever you want if you have luxury money for it.

[fringe trellis]

For me it is more like i want to make my character as close to a Vostroyan as possible 😄

[unreal nova]

Then save up. There's a Vostroyan set.

Red is OG.

There's recolours in the files as well.

[worn rose]

guys, on gloriana, is it normal for enemies to spawn at the starting area?

like i joined the map and there was 2 crushers in my face lmao

swagger got some new friends (4 maulers)

[unreal nova]

FS probably messed with something. Time to bug report.

[pseudo fiber]

Were you playing havoc?

[worn rose]

no, heresy maelstrom

helping my friend level up

[pseudo fiber]

Hrm that's odd

They apparently may have made some spawn changes on that map

Apparently as you said that includes swagger's body guards

[tame lodge]

No no

That's a bug

[worn rose]

nah i meant that as a joke, that swagger was surrounded by enemies

[fading yarrow]

How accurate is it to say that there's kinda no reason to not take the revive modifier for Voice of Command anymore?

Since the extra CD is built-in to the base ability now

[turbid ibex]

not really

its still an extra point that could be going to something else

[solar elk]

Might as well take both because no repercussions

:/

[unreal nova]

Still no point unless you are going into malice.

Because malice and heresy are a mixed bag.

You might get someone who goes down to a single poxwalker.

[turbid ibex]

vet doesn't really get a lot of flex talent points so even without the penalties its still a pretty significant opportunity cost

[unreal nova]

I got to a point I found out one of my builds had no iron will due to not having enough points lul.

It was either Skirmisher or Iron Will.

[turbid ibex]

what else were you running that you had to make that choice

[unreal nova]

Running mid to oggy, running left to shocktroop, running right to onslaught.

Keystoneless and still not enough points.

[turbid ibex]

damn

[unreal nova]

It's a herp dump bosses build.

[turbid ibex]

boss killer build with no focus target is def a weird choice

[slender jay]

kriegs commissar with one of his soldier

[unreal nova]

My duo covers that lul.

[proper otter]

is the falchion a competitor for the power sword now

[turbid ibex]

no lmao

[proper otter]

💀

[turbid ibex]

5-10% damage buff on first target WHILE EMPOWERED is not going to make a significant difference at all

[pseudo fiber]

So many more buffs before that

[proper otter]

is its single target at least comparable now

can it annihilate crushers like the sword

[turbid ibex]

lol

lmao

[proper otter]

😭

[solar elk]

Love the dueling sword:) mk IV and mk V

[tame lodge]

Not mention of mk2

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-22469622

[solar elk]

It sucks

[turbid ibex]

nor of the mark 1

[fading yarrow]

Oh forgot to ask: How's the plasma gun looking now? Does it still work best with the 69/71 allocation or is that not required anymore?

[tame lodge]

Shut up
You suck
Don't speak of my goat like that

https://tenor.com/view/batman-lonely-rain-sad-gif-7792030237214898863

[solar elk]

I want a mark that has the light attack of the mk5 and the heavy of the mk4

[turbid ibex]

same as it used to be

[solar elk]

I’d kill for that

[solar elk]

Just did

:)

[tame lodge]

No you didn't

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-hearnoevil-coverears-gif-4410407

[solar elk]

It icky

[turbid ibex]

thermal/charge dump still work if you havent gotten one with optimized stats

[solar elk]

It stinky

[tame lodge]

That's just mk4

With the exception of mk5 l3

[pseudo fiber]

There is literally no noticeable impact in how it plays

[tame lodge]

All marks share the same lights

[solar elk]

The light attack on the mk5 third attack that’s different

[tame lodge]

And Mk4 has 3 attacks too

[solar elk]

The mk5 had a strikdown for its 3rd

[tame lodge]

Yes which is inferior

[solar elk]

Na

Tbh it had better DPS on light attacks then the mk4

[tame lodge]

Lower cleave

Lower damage distribution

Just put the Mk4 in the bag

[solar elk]

Add 10% weak spot damage to the perk

It hits like a truck I promise

[tame lodge]

You are not telling me to put 10% weakspot on a weapon

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[maiden wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-or-low-iq-call-it-rage-bait-ragebait-low-iq-call-it-gif-11418983585207187263

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-fish-spongebob-mocking-spongebob-fish-meme-gif-20977906

[solar elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[turbid ibex]

are you /j or /srs

[prisma crest]

On the veteran chat of all places

[twin sapphire]

Is the infantry lasgun any good?

[solar elk]

I’d say it’s good

[twin sapphire]

What melee do you run to shore up your carapace weakness?

Pretty sure the answer is gonna be dueling sword but I’m asking anyways

[turbid ibex]

its alright

ish

[solar elk]

The knife works as well but the dueling sword is nasty good

[turbid ibex]

prob power sword

you also have kraks

[twin sapphire]

I hate the dueling sword

[solar elk]

What mark are you using?

[twin sapphire]

Been trying to make the chain sword work for carapace but it’s meh

[turbid ibex]

ye chainsword sucks ass against carapace

[twin sapphire]

For crushers sure, but I’m not gonn use a krak on every mauler

[turbid ibex]

dueling sword also would be a pretty bad idea for ilas

your horde clear is going to be abysmal with that setup

[vale sparrow]

Best gun to pair with the cavalry sword?

[solar elk]

Plasma or recon laz

[turbid ibex]

double barrel

[twin sapphire]

If only we got a long las

[turbid ibex]

wait by cavalry you mean duelling sword right

[pseudo fiber]

Literally any of them

[vale sparrow]

Based

[vale sparrow]

Yeah

Ngl forgot its name

[turbid ibex]

double barrel then

[vale sparrow]

Trying to get my shit together for Havoc and figure out what to run

[turbid ibex]

fixes the abysmal horde clear issue

[turbid ibex]

for havoc youre def way better off using power sword instead

[torpid grotto]

Tac axe, chain axe, falchion, shovel, etc all work great

[vale sparrow]

That was the runner up, does it also pair with just about any gun?

[twin sapphire]

I’ll have to try out chain axe then

[turbid ibex]

pretty much yeah

[twin sapphire]

Does it just have better single target blessings? I looked at the damage and it’s meh

[torpid grotto]

It has good generic power increase blessings

[vale sparrow]

Any specific recommendations? Been using the snub revolver but the horde clear is not great

[turbid ibex]

dont shoot into hordes

specially with revolver

[vale sparrow]

No it’s for specials

[turbid ibex]

ok good

[vale sparrow]

I mean in general

[turbid ibex]

you scared me for a second there

[twin sapphire]

I had noticed that the chain sword blessings are pretty dook for single target

[vale sparrow]

Lmao

[worn rose]

"i use helbore lasgun to clear hordes in auric maelstrom"

[turbid ibex]

but yeah most weapons that have good specialist/elite sniping should work, zarona revolver, plasma gun, bolter

with the caveats that zarona really wants weapon specialist with always prepared subnode so you can skip reloading

[vale sparrow]

Sweet, tysm!

Thoughts on curios? Been running 2x toughness 1x health with 3 gunner res, 3 toughness, 3 skill cd

[turbid ibex]

and also bolter's slow ass draw time but that can be mitigated with exestance

[turbid ibex]

seems good enough

maybe get some stuff for stamina management as well

[fringe trellis]

what does the wolf symbol mean next to a mission?

[turbid ibex]

dog spam

[vale sparrow]

Stam regen or swapping the health for +3 stam?

[worn rose]

hunting grounds? you get alot of pox hounds in that mission

[turbid ibex]

you mentioned youre doing havocs right? you should keep the hp if thats the case

stamina regen or sprint cost are both good options for it

[fringe trellis]

I don't know what hunting grounds means , i am trying to do the normal missions before tackling the new content . BEcause i want to be lvl 30 before doing that

[vale sparrow]

Sounds good

[vale sparrow]

Lots and lots of dogs

[turbid ibex]

also both it and zarona revolver like the +25% ammo node under the weakspot damage talent

[fringe trellis]

ok thank you

[turbid ibex]

occasionally the game will spawn a fuckton of poxhounds which is indicated by howling

[torpid grotto]

+3 stam is useful on knife or deadshot builds, not really needed otherwise

[worn rose]

yeah it's a modifier to the mission, for this one, pox hounds spawn more than usual

[vale sparrow]

So, power sword, revolver, weapon specialist/shout?

[torpid grotto]

That’s a very strong combo yeah

[turbid ibex]

could also go for exestance

[worn rose]

i like running toughness toughness toughness (i currently have 17% on 2, 16% on the third one)
and for its perks, all of them have +5% toughness, 30% toughness regen and +4% combat ability regen

[torpid grotto]

The toughness regen thing is a lie

Swedish lie

[turbid ibex]

toughness regen on curios is dogshit

its only coherency toughness that it applies to

[torpid grotto]

It’s worded badly

[worn rose]

damn, i've been gotten

bamboozled

lied to

[vale sparrow]

Any specific notes on power sword or revolver breakpoints I should plan for?

[worn rose]

lol
but seriously? coherency only regen?

[turbid ibex]

power cycler blessing for power sword is mandatory

then second blessing can be either brutal momentum or sunder

[vale sparrow]

Sweet, thoughts on the snub?

[torpid grotto]

You can reach a point where a headshot on a specialist in a guaranteed one shot even if it’s not a crit. Pretty much the only important thing

[turbid ibex]

point blank and uhh idk surgical?

[turbid ibex]

not really when weapon specialist exists lol

[torpid grotto]

Run and gun is fun with weapon specialist

[turbid ibex]

guaranteed crits

[torpid grotto]

Not always

[turbid ibex]

its like two melee kills and done

[torpid grotto]

Yep

Not always up though

[vale sparrow]

Would you personally recommend a different weapon?

[torpid grotto]

Nah

Playing with something you find fun is more important

[vale sparrow]

Bet, tysm for all of your help!

[worn rose]

i guess instead of toughness regen it's either stamina or rev speed ig, not sure i like the others

[turbid ibex]

i would recommend you try out other stuff as well

[vale sparrow]

The helbore was kinda fun, plasma and bolters felt clunky

Never tried the laspistol but heard it was interesting

[turbid ibex]

what build are you running btw

[worn rose]

bolter you'd have to get used to if you wanna use it

[turbid ibex]

like how does your tree look like

[vale sparrow]

Probably krak ammo shout and prob wep specialist

Changing it around a bunch so not set in stone

[torpid sundial]

ok ive perfected my power falchion melee vet build its awesome

also an insane boss killer

I love this weap

[worn rose]

power falchion is really fun to use

[turbid ibex]

what about the rest of the tree

[vale sparrow]

Sorry I’m not home so I can’t give exacts

Iirc it mainly shoots straight down the middle with some stuff on the left

If you have a tree recommendation too I’d love to hear it tho

[turbid ibex]

this is pretty much the default template you start the majority of vet builds from

you really want to take the nodes on the bottom right because theyre a really big damage boost

[vale sparrow]

Bet, tysm!

One last potentially stupid question

Thoughts on hp vs skill cd on curio substats?

[turbid ibex]

cdr on curios is only really noticeable if you stack three of it

but its pretty good for shout and stealth

exestance doesnt really care for it tho

[torpid grotto]

A second or two faster shout is more valuable in my opinion

[hollow ibex]

VOC got nerfed to the point where cdr is helpful now

I only run ES though

[cloud pendant]

eh, generally dont notice it. it seems like its only hitting shout spammers and not those of us who tend to save it for "ohshi-" moments

[hollow ibex]

Maybe I’ll do a revive shout build for the memes

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean I don’t think cdr is necessary by any means

[cloud pendant]

try a range cleave build with braced or recon for funsies too

[vale sparrow]

Thoughts on shout vs exes for havoc? Never been super into stealth

[turbid ibex]

its actually 4.8 seconds

[cloud pendant]

kind a fun decimating whole hordes. far from meta or ideal but itis a good time for a chilled out auric game

[vale sparrow]

So both play different roles and it depends on the team

Sweet, tysm!

I always kinda saw it as special killer vs oh shit button

[cloud pendant]

exe is the special death time mode, shout is ohshit or leroy jenkins

[turbid ibex]

exestance is also surprisingly good for melee thanks to the stun immunity and toughness regen

specially for ragers

[cloud pendant]

agreed but i prefer a melee option that stuns or staggers rager rather than relying on power. shovel, shock maul, etc

[turbid ibex]

power sword does both lol

[cloud pendant]

true, unfortunately i hate its clunky ass

and as such it goes in the dumpster til they make a mark that doesnt feel like jamming square pegs into round holes

[tall torrent]

prob won't happen

[cloud pendant]

its alright, i dont really miss something i hate using

[torpid grotto]

Thank you so much

[turbid ibex]

no prob

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/aeth-aether-aethers-aethernet-dont-dm-me-gif-13191245155866573727

[turbid ibex]

also thank the guide WIP guy too for making the veteran guide on pins

[narrow frost]

Your welcome

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-gif-17556910517109081583

[narrow frost]

Man

Seeing the slap brings me back

Good old H40 slap only

[torpid grotto]

Actually it’s called the Special Action

[narrow frost]

Thank you so much

[torpid grotto]

No prob

[narrow frost]

You still down to try DRG?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah how much is it….

[narrow frost]

Unsure not on PC rn

Not much iirc

[torpid grotto]

Oh crap it’s 70% off

Ima get it

I’m getting bored of havoc 💔 😩

[narrow frost]

Fsir

This season Is lame

Power creep plus easy modifiers

It's gonna be a solo season for me

Plus drg grind

[torpid grotto]

My eyes glazed over killing 13 dreg rages in melee by spamming spacebar rhythmically

[narrow frost]

I'll be on later today if you are going to get it today. Pretty easy to get into plus a decent grind

[torpid grotto]

I’m like, I’m not even registering any attacks happening, I’m just spamming and winning even with Tac axe vs stimmed dreg ragers

[narrow frost]

And unlike darktide it has modded difficulty

You should see some of the modded players huds

Reminds me of people in darktide

[turbid ibex]

true

[tall torrent]

@pseudo fiber TR gains don't rly scale based on diff rn, so the fastest way to grind TR for grid point & penances is speedrunning malice

lol

I got to 30k last night

[pseudo fiber]

lmfao ffs

Fatsharkkkkk

[faint beacon]

I’ve straight up haven’t even touched it since I opened up grid Beta

It’s just that boring

[viscid sparrow]

I have been grinding expeditions just for the cosmetics...

[willow prairie]

no balance change moment

[twin sapphire]

just got a god roll rando vigilant autogun as a mission reward, is it any good?

[distant plaza]

vigilants? depends on the shooter
i haven't used one since i started wielding the magic of WS DB

[brave acorn]

Can be. The Agri VII and IX are pretty fun. The Columnus is supposed to be good too, a little too all over the place for me

[twin sapphire]

i'll give it a try

[brave acorn]

If you’re good with headshots they kinda rock

[twin sapphire]

i've been rocking the infantry lasgun with headshots and i obliterate any specials that are flak or maniac

just mainly crushers and maulers it struggles with, and assault chainaxe cleans up maulers nice enough and krak for crushers

[brave acorn]

Vigilant won’t help you with the armored guys

[twin sapphire]

yeah i know, it'll prolly just do the same job my lasgun was doing

[candid agate]

not every psyker but always a psyker

[shadow fable]

Is there any real reason to use the AOE boltgun over the normal one?

[tame lodge]

If you need horde clear ranged

Which is almost

Never

Because frag goes brrrr

[left garden]

say, might be stupid but I might need a explanation on how to use power falcion, specifically when to use the special mode or not

[turbid ibex]

Pretty much always

Unpowered attacks suck ass

[left garden]

then when do you let it cool down?

[shell girder]

I like the blessing that makes it explode and cool down faster\

[mortal horizon]

so my mods are off but game keeps crashing moment i log into my vet lol

[tame lodge]

You cry

[left garden]

damn.

[tame lodge]

Basically you don't let it overheat

[left garden]

I see.

[tame lodge]

But you have no reason to use it unpowered

[left garden]

so if it ever gets at high heat.... what? Just either let it explode with the perk, or swap to ranged?

[tame lodge]

I mean you could run overload

But you just don't want to overheat in the first place

[neon current]

why

overheating doesnt punish you whatsoever

it doesnt take longer to cool down if you do so

[tame lodge]

13 seconds cool down

[neon current]

the last time I clocked

[tame lodge]

But you have no reason to use it unpowered

[neon current]

it was the same

oh no, never

oh right they buffed falchion huh

how is it

I refuse to play the game until they fix FSR

[tame lodge]

Still needs buff

They buffed first target damage when powered by 5-10% depending of the attack

[neon current]

getting 40 FPS on a 9070 XT is insanity

fuckin dogshit optimization

I mean, that shud help against crushers

was kinda med against

at best

[vale sparrow]

i feel like im tripping, do they still have a mk6 power sword on vet?

[neon current]

you can swap marks freely now

I reckon you haven't played in a long while

[vale sparrow]

last time I played was arby launch

but thats fantastic to hear ngl

[neon current]

pretty sure the change predates that

but it's been a while

[vale sparrow]

I very well could be blind

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-san-andreas-now-i-know-you-blind-man-gif-21797548

[dry galleon]

It's decent but I generally see no reason to use it over the hellbore.

[heavy rover]

How the hell are people already hosting havoc 40 games

It's been two days

[orchid hemlock]

It's called playing Psyker/scum

[tame lodge]

#havocisquiteeasy

[heavy rover]

Honestly yeah the modifiers this rotation aren't that bad

But that quickly though?

[slow spade]

built different

[tall torrent]

I got the new purple cosmetic set done

[pseudo fiber]

well done :)

[tall torrent]

don't think the black set is unlockable rn

[pseudo fiber]

No you need 18 points

[tall torrent]

yea there're only 8 grid points

I can get the black chestpiece tho

the new ogryn body armor looks really good ngl

[pseudo fiber]

You can if you wanna grind forever

I like the psyker one the most

[tall torrent]

I have 6 grid points rn, just need to play gamma (hunting) to unlock the rest

[pseudo fiber]

as a professional what are your thoughts on the mode

[tall torrent]

needs polish & endgame

I think the gameplay loop itself is fun

[pseudo fiber]

how would you engameify it

[turbid ibex]

same ngl

[tall torrent]

tech-remnants need to do smth outside of just unlocking grid points and getting penances

[pseudo fiber]

They should let us buy buffs with it

honestly if they did that and made the 5 one with no extracts except the end I think people would like it more

[tall torrent]

maybe an expeditions-exclusive unlock tree where u can get neat things based on how much TR u have

[turbid ibex]

what would it even unlock there

[pseudo fiber]

but like this is a site of saint messalina fighting a huge fucking daemon

have tech remnants that can be spent on shrines and give mortis buffs

I did it

I have saved the mode

[tall torrent]

unique things like

scrap trade discount (multiple tiers)
allow u to spawn in with certain equipment
allow u to spend scrap to respawn near ur team if u die

and maybe some mode-specific permanent buffs

corruption reduction and sprint efficiency would be really nice

especially sprint efficiency

[turbid ibex]

sprint efficiency would be huge yeah

[pseudo fiber]

path you got a build that uses caxe with exe and mmf or is that not possible

[tall torrent]

MF point cost is too much

I don't play it at all

[pseudo fiber]

fucccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk

I'm not using weapon spec lasgun lol

[tall torrent]

I run vig auto or revolver

I actually play stealth with revolver for this mode

for obj

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/may-i-see-it-chalmers-gif-18367950853266778478

[tall torrent]

it's just a basic vet build

[turbid ibex]

Ive just been running the sniper build on pins for trying out ilas

Also

Wow my aim fucking sucks

Im pretty much never hitting over 8 stacks of mmf

[pseudo fiber]

and what caxe or psword with uhhh the mkVII vigi?

[tall torrent]

power sword
revolver

[pseudo fiber]

I don't wanna play psword anymore

[serene bough]

hi

whats the cool shotgun build that people use to rip through carapace

[tall torrent]

u could try falchion lol

[turbid ibex]

i did try that

falchion+ilas

on the sniper build

[slow spade]

lol I wonder if you can do some stupid Marksmen + Focus Target carapace build

25% rending and a dream

[pseudo fiber]

Fuck it why n9t

[drifting oak]

Is the new Efficiency blessing for infantry lasgun worth a single second of consideration or is the combo of ramping crit on headshot+bonus crit headshot damage still king

[slow spade]

it's funny but the ilas is still semi-auto and I can't be fucked to install Full Auto when Recon is right there

[tall torrent]

new vet chestpiece's gloves are really nice

[pseudo fiber]

Hey I'm a fan!

[blazing horizon]

Guys I'm looking for a normal veteran build that is just tanky and dealing decent damage with any weapon (except las guns)

[tall torrent]

it's rly quite nice

doesn't clip much with backpack either

[pseudo fiber]

yeah that's really niec

[tall torrent]

actually

chainaxe 12 is pretty good on vet too

better than falchion imo

[tame lodge]

Anything is better than Falchion

🚬

[pseudo fiber]

3 x tech remnant containers going towards extract

mission abort

lololololol

[turbid ibex]

What about 4

[tall torrent]

not as good as 12

[turbid ibex]

But is it a lot worse or just a bit

[tall torrent]

I think it's significant

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

My sweeping heavies

[tall torrent]

too slow

and not enough dmg

[errant carbon]

Don't feel too bad about it
You could have won and then lost anyways (not an acknowledged issue last I checked btw)

[tall torrent]

dw it's still better vs mixed horde than evis XV

[turbid ibex]

I just find weapons with looping heavy sweeps more fun than ones with looping strikedown heavies

Shivs being the main exception

[pseudo fiber]

I wish the power falchion was better

Vet having their own relic blade would be cool

and there's like

[turbid ibex]

We all do

[pseudo fiber]

remnants of it being cool

but it's just not good

also I wish the 2b was better it looks way cooler

I was using it then

and when you're hitting pox walkers it's like

yeahhh

yeahhh

then any rager appears and it's suddenly like noooo nooo

[serene bough]

how do u buff it to make it good compared to or better than psword

[pseudo fiber]

I feel it doesn't have to be better than psword it just needs to be better

if it got to like high b lower a tier that's fine

just right now it's just

there

[serene bough]

i really wish it was better than psword

[pseudo fiber]

the main issue is the blessing selection is horrific

[serene bough]

theres nothing that grinds my gears more than having to activate the psword every 3 swings

its so annoying

[tame lodge]

Welp first off

More stagger

Then better unpowered

Then better blessings

[pseudo fiber]

This the most

it needs more stagger

you just eat shit all the time

I believe it'll get buffed

knowing FS though there's a chance they super overbuff it by accident

[serene bough]

if it replaces psword they can buff it as much as they like

[tall torrent]

It needs to be a high A tier

[hallow drift]

"What would you like for Christmas, Big Man?"

[heavy rover]

Trench fighter drills makes power sword more bearable imo

[slow spade]

triple Falchion damage

ez fix

[torpid sundial]

But it is very good and for ragers you just light spam

Kills them just as fast and you can dodge around for a bit

[hybrid plover]

They will hit you through your light spam

[torpid sundial]

Ive never really had that issue

Unless maybe 10 ragers

Like 3-4 is still fine

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's not good for me

Even in auric

[torpid sundial]

I use heat sink and cranial grounding

[hybrid plover]

It is not unusual for packs of well over 3-4 ragers

[torpid sundial]

Its way better than energy leakage

[tall torrent]

heatsink is pure bait

[torpid sundial]

In which case just ranged kill and shout

[torpid sundial]

It really isnt

[tall torrent]

it rly is

[torpid sundial]

It gives me way more time in empowered

[tall torrent]

heatsink is straight up just worse than overload

[torpid sundial]

Without it I run out of steam in higher difficulty fights

[hybrid plover]

I'd just use overload at that point

[torpid sundial]

I dont WANT it to ever get locked out

[tall torrent]

yea then heatsink is also ass

lmao

[torpid sundial]

That just ruins my options for a good few seconds

[hybrid plover]

Because that can actually stagger ragers

[torpid sundial]

Heat sink prevents me from getting locked out

[tall torrent]

heatsink works at 1/4th the value if not locked out

so u barely get anything

lolol

[torpid sundial]

It doesnt matter if I can last like 5-10 more seconds

In empowered

[tall torrent]

it's not 5 more seconds

it's like maybe 4? at best

on top of cranial grounding

it's just really bad

[torpid sundial]

Either way I run out of power during fights when I dont use heat sink

And I dont when I do

So

[south spindle]

There was a point where it was better, but Fatshark doesnt like fun

[torpid sundial]

Also dps wise a melee build power falchion pretty much rivals power sword now with focus target

[south spindle]

At least, for the Relic blade, idk if they just copied everything over for the Falchion or not

[torpid sundial]

Dont use the iib though

[hybrid plover]

Definitely not the stagger

Or the unpowered stats

[south spindle]

Nah, I mean just how the blessings work

[hybrid plover]

Oh yeah that was a straight copy paste

[tall torrent]

this point never existed

neither blessing has been changed since release

heatsink has ALWAYS been inferior to overload

it's just that people always were of the mindset that "u shouldn't overheat"

[south spindle]

Indeed, since release

[hybrid plover]

Overload chads

Spit on this notion

[tall torrent]

overload is also much better than the number it says

it makes u think it cuts 25% of the cooldown time

[hybrid plover]

Because overload is lowkey one of the best blessings

[tall torrent]

but it actually cuts 32~33%

[torpid sundial]

Overheating means I can only rely on my ranged for the next 5-10 seconds and that just sucks doo doo ass when I’m constantly fighting

[tall torrent]

because cooldown rate changes based on how much heat there is

[hybrid plover]

Overload cuts time down

Significantly

[torpid sundial]

And if I DONT overheat in shorter fights

Its useless

[distant plaza]

solution: use tacaxe

[torpid sundial]

I dont care what the numbers say when it straight up doesnt fit what I do ingame and in practice

[tall torrent]

sounds like an issue with falchion itself being bad rather than a blessing's fault

[south spindle]

On Vet? Nah, use the Shovel, be a real chad

[hybrid plover]

Because the cooldown scales with power level, and the cooldown is instant.

[south spindle]

[hybrid plover]

But yes

Shovel is better

Shovel is best vet melee

No I am not gaslighting

[tall torrent]

crazy world that shovel is somehow better than falchion

[hybrid plover]

[torpid sundial]

I dont ever use overload on relic blade either

[hybrid plover]

You should.

I honestly thought it was bad at first

[torpid sundial]

I swap between ranged and melee a lot

So like

[south spindle]

I mean, in all fairness it has Uncanny and it has the best moveset in the game, its kinda hard for it to be bad

[hybrid plover]

Could not have been more wrong once I realized how overload actually affects cooldown rate

[torpid sundial]

i just dont overheat

At all

[tall torrent]

it is pretty bad

[south spindle]

Smh, no class on some of you

[hybrid plover]

Numerically, it's not the best

But

It just works ™

[ebon inlet]

question

[hybrid plover]

I love the damn thing.

[ebon inlet]

why do my weapons feel like im giving the enemies slaps

not killing them bassicly

[tall torrent]

shovel could be good if it had good stagger with heavy sweep, and had headtaker instead of decimator

[hybrid plover]

Idk maybe it's me

But for shovel specifically

I find it really easy to keep deci stacks

[south spindle]

I think people massively undervalue Deci' on everything tbh

[hybrid plover]

Because I very often will stagger my heavies to ensure I actually hit something to keep it going

[tall torrent]

no, it's just not great to play around

[south spindle]

I mean, I dont feel like its that different to HT other than not having a safety net, which is fine because its literally double the bonus

[ebon inlet]

also guys in the combat shotty any good on vet?

[torpid sundial]

Im gonna shill falchion at the end of time in any case

I do actually think it rivals the pow sword

[tall torrent]

in another lifetime maybe yea

not this one tho

[torpid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156767327501684826/1484126321289330799/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2026-03-19_17-47-44.mp4?ex=69bdc098&is=69bc6f18&hm=9a46ea7a40a0b90e5984f72804a1253390d91005491f4869ca0884458c68f174&

[hybrid plover]

I like agri a lot

[torpid sundial]

You guys just dont use it properly

[south spindle]

I used the Falchion one time and was like "nope"

[ebon inlet]

i see

[hybrid plover]

No I do.

[torpid sundial]

It has good mobility and insane flexibility while being able to kill anything at good times

[hybrid plover]

I use the thing

[torpid sundial]

I hate using the power sword

[hybrid plover]

I just think it really isn't in a great spot for what it is

I want it

[torpid sundial]

I think its amazing

[tall torrent]

6 stacks of FT to achieve smth power sword can do with 30% less dmg juicing

lol

[hybrid plover]

To be a contender against power sword

Because I fucking hate the power sword

[torpid sundial]

Yeah but the power sword is slow and clunky

I trade the 30% damage for mobility and dodge and I much prefer that

Ttk doesnt change that much

[tall torrent]

I think almost every top dps melee is slow & clunky?

and falchion is not even good mobility/dodge

[torpid sundial]

Ive used weap spec too

[tall torrent]

it's worse mobility than power sword

better dodge

[torpid sundial]

In actual practice ive found way more success with falchion since I’m safer

[tall torrent]

idk lol it's got no good rager stagger breakpoint

[torpid sundial]

Just shout or grenade

Vet already has so many options

Or just shoot them

[tall torrent]

having to use ult/nade to stagger is matching the argument of "it doesn't have good stagger"

[torpid sundial]

Also you can kill ragers in like two lights so it really isnt an issue unless your team is all dead and you’re trying to solo a dozen

[tall torrent]

because u can run the exact same stagger related tools with power sword

but power sword is just good at staggering elites by itself

so u can save them for when u really need them

[torpid sundial]

I mean sure

But like is not staggering ragers immediately putting it to garbage tier

This is still a team game

Is no one in the lobby going to stagger ragers but you

As far as dps goes falchion is honestly good for what it is

[tame lodge]

There is no way this is real

💀

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't call it garbage tier

But more underwhelming than anything

[torpid sundial]

Eh agree to disagree

[south spindle]

I mean, kinda. I wont play anything that can't stagger Ragers because getting gang-fucked by 30 of them isnt particularly fun

[tall torrent]

ur throwing a lot of arguments deflecting away from its issues

which really just sounds like coping