veteran-class

[drowsy perch]

just getting a weapon and seeing if i liked it

but so many are really weak without actually like getting them set

theres a bunch of weapons i just didnt like but then i used an upgraded version was like

wait this is sick

[maiden wolf]

Dont use granade tinkerer on kraks instead you should go for the 5 additional stacks of your keystone.

[dapper pier]

Thats not tinkerer

[maiden wolf]

#Granadier my bad 🥀

[calm shard]

Not taking Confirmed Kill or Longshot up top is a bit strange considering how absurdly good Laspistol is at killing Elites/Specialists at a distance, no Trench Fighter Drill makes me sad but it's workable on gun builds, Grenadier on Kraks is bad and not worth it, and also you have neither reciprocity nor deadshots to boost your crit chance for infinite ammo

[dapper pier]

Honestly, I just have grenadier for the event,
First perk im moving when im not playing it

[distant mural]

I allways run grenadier

Especially with kraks

with the nade regen its very much worth it

[sharp epoch]

wow they took away the cleave for plasma and added another talent tax to improve it 😭

[junior grail]

So... Plasma still plows through hordes?

[errant bear]

m2 still has infinite cleave

[junior grail]

I mean the m1 with cleave talent

[sharp epoch]

It's 50% more cleave so mathematically it's like 27 targets max

I'm not sure if it loses damage every target

[dapper pier]

If i take off volley adept (reload speed) and grenadier
I can get confirmed kill and longshot

Hmmm

Whats the difference between rend and cleave?

[sharp epoch]

rending gives you more damage vs armor types, cleave lets you hit multiple enemies at a time

[dapper pier]

So i want rending. Gotcha

Cleave on las pistol sounds hilarious enough though, and lets me shoot through groaners at my target 🤔

[errant bear]

M1 no longer have infinite cleave so no matter how much you increase it it will not do the same job as before

You are better off using m2 in corridors

[quaint zodiac]

whats a good horde clear melee weapon? ive been trying out the duelling sword but it just doesnt clear as fast as i want it to

[dry cloak]

No wonder

Heavy sword try that

[quaint zodiac]

ill give it a shot! :D

[sharp epoch]

Heavy sword and power sword, mayeb power falchion

[slow sky]

Shobel....

[unreal nova]

I think Falchion is better at ST than hordes, but is just me.

[steep flower]

That talent is purely to mitigate plasma nerf, buff dogshit special on zarona shotgun & make Dbarrel even more powerful (even tho it does not need it)

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I don't see any other use for it than plasma, and even then its meh

Such a waste of a new talent

[pseudo fiber]

Helbore too I guess

[livid sphinx]

Still miss the infinite cleave m1 plasma

[tough nova]

May it rest in shit

[turbid ibex]

It doesn't actually do anything for double barrel because it already gets infinite cleave from manstopper lol

[tame lodge]

Dreg Bruiser is 2.5 mass
iLas with 50% cleave is 2.2 iirc

You're not shooting past him

Yup 1.5 +50%
2.25

[digital mango]

We’re are my hotshot guns at

[thick rose]

moving so slow they are barely out of the DZ while we wait at the door

[mortal vault]

how is veteran class now

[turbid ibex]

Shout is slightly worse, infiltrate and exestance are a bit better

Thats about it

Not much changed besides infiltrate going from dogshit to somewhat decent

[pseudo fiber]

Exe is still slept on

[turbid ibex]

Ye

But it was already very good so that didnt change

[pseudo fiber]

Better now

Infinite uptime

[stiff glacier]

Now that we get stealth out of here and get special weapon ability there instead

[tame lodge]

Idk

I'd rather carry a big gun around instead of having it every x seconds

[turbid ibex]

I dont think we'll get any abilities that work like vt2 bounty hunter

[pseudo fiber]

Vet won't

Admech might

[turbid ibex]

Maybe as a blitz

[stiff glacier]

Not sure how well they'd work as blitz

Id love to just pull up grenade lancher at mixed horde

[turbid ibex]

Boom bringer already exists

[stiff glacier]

My idea was that as ability it would have sidegrades that could change it into a melta or flamer or whtever special weapons guard use

So nade launcher could be more inbetween and sidegraded more specific purpose

[turbid ibex]

Mf youre playing vet

You are the grenade launcher

[stiff glacier]

Thats the problem with how good normal nades are

Doesnt justify m32 mag dump concept

[somber axle]

Admech Radium Rifle ability pls

or just give us the weapon

[stiff glacier]

I just dont see any of the special guard weapons being balanced to have as the gun options

[icy moat]

Hellgun when

Full auto melta gun when

[tame lodge]

Are meltas even full auto

[pseudo fiber]

I don't believe so

Semi

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent funny bugs

[tall torrent]

There are many

[orchid hemlock]

Most annoying is if you go down and get picked up you can't use your auspex anymore 💀

The entire run

[tall torrent]

Damn

[orchid hemlock]

Thank you Obese Megalodon

[distant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/snerk-snort-laugh-spit-lol-gif-14454883

[frank basin]

Fucked game

Unplayable

[void dragon]

Obesefish trying to be meta when the game is running on industrial ductape and prayers

[frank basin]

Spirit machine slop

My friend call darktide slop and favor space marine 2 lesser slop

[void dragon]

I cant brace myself to like SM2, its a great game, but i hunger for what Darktide has in its combat

[frank basin]

He maybe call it fatslop and saber get a pass

[frank basin]

He ask me to kick that guy for stealing his execute kill

[void dragon]

babies and jerks, we have plenty of thise in the warp realm that is the internet

[frank basin]

Is alway tech marines

Those guy

Just me and him, he first tell me set match private after he steal his kill

[void dragon]

they have their augments run by abob-enable in-tell-e-hen-see

[frank basin]

But i cant do in mission so we have kick player twice

[frank basin]

Huh?

[void dragon]

abominable intelligence, in ogryn

[frank basin]

Oh

He who also call me chaos marine for having crayon color pattern

I was a titan destiny 2 built up

Of course he like black templar

I see black templar vanguard

Because he is space racist afterall

[void dragon]

space dumb more like, imagine killing your own allies because your brain is dumber than ogryn and cant differentiate what is frend and what her-e-thick

[tall torrent]

It’s a fun game when DT has no updates

[void dragon]

this is a fun bug with a nice game attached to it

[frank basin]

I think hes not very serious larping as space racist, and yet don't like discord people generally

[tall torrent]

SM2 is not that buggy tho

[frank basin]

Yeah is polished

[void dragon]

that is very true

[frank basin]

Like full release

[tall torrent]

SM2 is only missing features

[tame lodge]

Like all of them

[frank basin]

Hmmm my friend dont like his kill get stolen

Darktide or sm2

Same kind people stealing your kill

[tough nova]

SM2 combat loop is too focused on quick time shit. Totally lacking in combat depth and weight by comparison.

[tall torrent]

The combat design is nowhere as good as DT that’s for sure

Melee enemies have basically no pressure

Ranged enemies are cheese

[tough nova]

Using a chain weapon in both games is night and day

[tame lodge]

I mean it's understandable on sm2 because execution=staying alive

[frank basin]

Yes execution means you get armor back

1 segment

[orchid hemlock]

Still wondering what is the best classes for this game mode

Because Vet and Psyker are still insane in situations for objective control

[tall torrent]

4 dudes with vig3

https://klipy.com/gifs/hanabi-hsr

[tough nova]

Chad.

Quad stealth zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Vets are also the best specialist killer in the game

[tough nova]

Just juggle objectives/aggro

[tall torrent]

Day1 of expeditions: 4 dudes with inf las

Day2: 4 dudes with vig3

[orchid hemlock]

Day 3: RECON BABYYYYY

[tall torrent]

No range

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-ishowspeed-gif-7297322352901128995

[last marten]

sell me on vig 3

i want to like it

[hollow ibex]

if you miss the head you give your target a nice massage

[tame lodge]

How much strength can I strong Arbites

[heavy rover]

Yes

[last marten]

inf las is the same. built all around weak spots

[somber axle]

Imagine the Infantry Lasgun except you trade the awful reverse damage falloff and Flak weakness for a gun that does more consistent and better damage for clicking heads for the low price of sometimes needing ammo pick ups

[tall torrent]

1 burst headshot gunners & flamers in havoc, 2 burst bodyshot

[somber axle]

It's unfortunate the Vigilant Autoguns look so awful

The wire stocks are so ugly

[pseudo fiber]

Idkkkkkkkk

[tame lodge]

One of the best bashes there is btw

💀

[pseudo fiber]

I thought the DB one was good

[somber axle]

Is that a cosmetic

I have a few for the Vigilants and they all have terrible looking wire stocks or at best a very thin almost wire stock

I want to like the gun but it's just so ugly

[pseudo fiber]

The double barrel bash I meant sorrg

[somber axle]

Oooh ok

[tame lodge]

You heavy bash and somehow the wire stock is able to stagger Ogryns

Lmao

[tall torrent]

I wish they made a good skin for it with good iron sights

[somber axle]

I kinda hope they sell a solid cosmetic for them one day because it would be a massive quality of life change for them

But they probably won't because I imagine they check usage statistics to see what weapons are used often for selling cosmetics

And the Vigilant Autoguns are probably one of the least used weapons

[somber axle]

Agreed and tbh I think they need it more than the Helbores

We have a lot of Helbore skins already

Even if a lot of them are just recolours

Vigilant Autoguns need some cosmetic options

[somber axle]

Oh and they get Surgical instead of Headhunter. Plus the version of Surgical for the Vigilant Autogun gives +10% crit every 0.2 seconds instead of the +10% every 0.3 seconds the Helbores have. If you aim for 1 second on a Helbore you have +30% crit chance. If you aim for 1 second on a Vigilant Autogun you have +50% crit chance

[serene bough]

Don't like vig autoguns

Tried them but they feel clunky

[dry cloak]

Eh nothing wrong with not liking guns. I dislike plasma gun and infantry autoguns

[faint beacon]

Plasma getting nerfed finally 🎉

[somber axle]

I agree. I want to like them but they feel awful and look awful

[serene bough]

Ill prefer ilas over vig3

[somber axle]

Even if they make satisfying breakpoints and do good damage

[serene bough]

I just find it pisses through ammo

And the mobility sucks too

[somber axle]

Aside from bad aesthetics that's their main tradeoffs to consider vs Infantry Lasguns

[faint beacon]

Eh, it’s literally just Ilas except Ballistic if you only use it to drop shooters that are chipping you at range or anti special or elite youll always have good ammo uptime

[tall torrent]

They should have buffed inf las to the same extent as they did vig auto

[serene bough]

A little bit more dmg on the inf las would be great

Id like to drop some dmg/rending nodes required to compensate for its current stats

That being said I love the recoil changes to iib

[tall torrent]

25% flak ADM buff for inf las could make them good

Prob

[somber axle]

I wonder if the Vigilants are the reason why they refuse to touch Flak or the reverse falloff on Infantry Lasguns

If you fixed both of those would it just outclass the Vigilants too much and make them irrelevant

[serene bough]

Well ilas does have good maniac dmg

And with the buffs to unyielding it handles reapers well too

[faint beacon]

Honestly that would become a battle of trying to balance similar weapons

I’d rather have Ilas be weaker against Flak cause it’s not a huge deal to take 1 node to counter act it

[serene bough]

I guess its ok where it is for now

Im okay with ilas being mid and generalist

But a tad bit more dmg or flak adm would make it as best jt could be in my eyes

[faint beacon]

I mean that’s kinda the point for both ILAS and Vigils

They’re generalists just slight differences

[somber axle]

They've felt good for expeditions

[faint beacon]

Besides it’s fine for Ilas to be weaker cause

[somber axle]

The reverse damage falloff hardly ever feels like an issue there

[faint beacon]

It has Efficiency, Shocktrooper to keep it’s ammo Econ up

Vigils only have Survivalist

[somber axle]

Plus it's fun deleting specials and most elites the moment they walk into line of sight

And never thinking about ammo ever

[serene bough]

Thats how I see it

Besides you can get ilas to reliably 1 tap enemies

The problem is you need to invest many points in it to do so

[faint beacon]

I see that as a fair trade tbh cause Vigilant is no better

You need to invest into Rending Strikes for both to hit Flak BPs

[serene bough]

Id prefer if there was a little less point investment

But it is on a slippery slope i think

[faint beacon]

They’re in good spots I personally think anymore might make them too good

Hell the fact Fully Loaded as a point tax when you’re grabbing -.25 stam delay reduction, gives the Columnus III over 500 rounds in reserve is actually unheard of

Agri and Graia are probably the only two that feel clunky but Agri gets away with it solely cause it has a high Carapace ADM

[serene bough]

Yeah overall im.pleased with it

Actually thats an understatement, I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate the recoil reduction to the IIb

Such a massive improvement to the overall feel of the gun

[tall torrent]

The 1 node to counteract it is not enough, is the thing

10% rending is not a massive difference

[orchid hemlock]

Nah watch this 😈

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/80RoGTdmAz

"give Psyker more damage for every Psyker on the team"

[faint beacon]

Haha no

Reminder they gave scum better Perilious Combustion

Splash Damage iirc its name is just so much better

It’s a linear DOT

[serene bough]

I run 25% rending when I use ilas

Maybe for IX thats overkill havent tried

Are the two rending nodes additive or multiplicitive

[turbid ibex]

im pretty sure all rending sources are additive

[solar elk]

Why are the forms full of voice of command haters?

[faint beacon]

One of the best abilities in the game

I’m surprised it hadn’t been nerfed sooner tbh

[turbid ibex]

as in people who are pissed about the changes or people who dislike VoC itself

[sly orchid]

Its real fun to use

[faint beacon]

I have to by standards hate it solely because it’s PC from Psyker but stronger

Linear DOT

[distant plaza]

all psykers share the same peril bar

[solar elk]

People saying it takes no skill

[sly orchid]

Ehhh

[solar elk]

I see the ease of it but no skill no

[faint beacon]

Dog it’s Perilious with the best DOT source in the game

That shit is brain dead as fuck

[turbid ibex]

tbf perilous doesn't have a cap on how many enemies it can affect and scum doesn't have a wildfire equivalent

[pseudo fiber]

Why is everyone on there so terrible.

I like it here at least there's some good players fuck

[turbid ibex]

and perilous also works on any elite/specialist kill while splash only works on melee elite kills

[faint beacon]

It’s Reddit

Echo chamber for extremely mediocre players

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[pseudo fiber]

They read feedback from that echo chamber fuckkkkkkk

[solar elk]

Is that why voc got a 10 sec nerf instead of 5sec

lol

[silver patrol]

no, they just moved the cd nerf from the revive shout to the main ability

as a fuck you

[solar elk]

True!!!!

If the revive was apart of it I probably would be so unhappy with the change

[pseudo fiber]

Should have been 15 seconds tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1455788261934104626.webp?size=300&animated=true

[solar elk]

Don’t give those guys on the forms more ideas!?!?

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-cod-zombies-black-ops-7-zombies-call-of-duty-paradox-junction-gif-10344627960498205869

[tame lodge]

Actually
He's 🍳

Also make peril build faster if multiple psykers too

Because Veil

[faint beacon]

VoC nerf was honestly fair but easily could’ve been more

Infil is still the weakest but I’d say with its buffs just shy VOC

EStance is the best

Like 0 argument

It’s the best of them now

[pseudo fiber]

Traded tame VoC nerf for exe stance buffs that were not needed

[faint beacon]

VoC meta is no more from powercreep

We’re now in the era of EStance meta

[hybrid plover]

It doesn't snowball like PC does

It's surprisingly not as completely busted as I thought it was gonna be

Cuz it can never go over two caps from its own toxin proc

[serene bough]

Praise be the exe meta

[solar elk]

I just need a good Psyker friend to get my cool down back

[turbid ibex]

scum also doesn't have an equivalent to psyker's wildfire talent

[willow prairie]

yamato tested it and its like 4 stacks max

2 stack per proc

[willow prairie]

wildfire is kinda dogshit

ngl

[turbid ibex]

really?

[hybrid plover]

It is

[faint beacon]

Wildfire is a meme at best

[hybrid plover]

Perilous is the real big talent

[willow prairie]

its 4 stacks MAX

so you can inflict like 1 stack to 4 enemy

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember a Camo talent doing that and Vets in beta or post-beta early release being able to just stand out in the open shooting freely without ever being noticed by anything and it was so broken LOL

[willow prairie]

toxin is way better at low stack

soulblaze stack exponentially

[pseudo fiber]

That was from launch until October 2023 lolol

[somber axle]

Early Darktide was such a funny mess

[willow prairie]

perilous is better than splash damage due to the fact that it proc on specialist too

and have no target limit

[tall torrent]

It’s only up to 2 stacks

[willow prairie]

damn

bro lied

[tall torrent]

It’s yam u can practically assume it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[sly orchid]

BRO

LITERALLY

42 AND 84 DAMAGE

2 DIFFERENT INSTANCES

[faint beacon]

Linear DOT though

[sly orchid]

Atleast tag me if you slander me

[mystic pilot]

aright so now what's the best build for infantry lasgun?

[willow prairie]

helbore mk5

[turbid ibex]

or laspistol

[tame lodge]

Recon

But you know

Since iLas is actually good with finesse

It's just exec mmf

[willow prairie]

recon lasgun enjoyer when they have to kill something in less than 20 seconds

[mystic pilot]

you guys recommending weapons instead of builds :V

so the new buffs doesn't make iLas any better

[faint beacon]

Eh?

It’s an improvement but not a massive difference

[tall torrent]

Sorry I was eating

[tame lodge]

It's pretty much the same weapon but slightly better

You can almost ship of Theseus it

[tall torrent]

It’s better than before but nowhere near good

[somber axle]

Exe Stance, Marksman's Focus, Rending Strikes are all good picks for the Infantry Lasgun

The rest of your tree can vary a little bit depending on your melee but tbh it's not by much. Like with Knife I like grabbing Serrated Blades but I wouldn't with Power Sword

[tame lodge]

What's in the same row as Shock trooper on the left side

[red robin]

0.25 Stamina delay?

[somber axle]

Kill Zone and the node for +25% clip size

[tame lodge]

Eh
I guess I'll go Killzone if I'm running efficiency

[somber axle]

Kill Zone is something like +25% ranged damage if you're not hit by melee for 8 sec or something

[tame lodge]

Easy peasy

[red robin]

It’s 15% base ranged damage

Idk wtf base damage means

[somber axle]

I forget the numbers but with Expeditions having wide spaces, a bit of downtime and a lot of advance warning when patrols or ambushes happen you probably get more uptime on Kill Zone than usual

[south spindle]

How is new Infil', Veterans?

[somber axle]

I haven't tried it yet but tbh the 8 sec duration on the 30% damage seems solid and someone here said earlier it's still third place but just behind Voice of Command after the CD nerf

Exe Stance #1

[tall torrent]

It’s still the worst vet ult

But it’s better than before

[somber axle]

But like with Overwatch you could chain it and have 16 sec of that 30% damage so

[south spindle]

Hmm, will have to look at it later on this evening

[somber axle]

It's still really just for repositioning, rescues and objectives

[tall torrent]

And have a massive cooldown of 106.4s

[south spindle]

Did the CD get buffed?

Ok well that answers that question

[tall torrent]

40s, still not good cuz vet has the worst CDR talent

[south spindle]

Yer, still on the struggle bus then

Shame

[somber axle]

Yeah the uptime is awful but at least you're always using any downtime toward another use vs sitting on Infiltrate without

It's not really an ability you spam anyway

[tall torrent]

The issue is that vet CDR is balanced entirely around VoC being super powerful

[somber axle]

Vs Exe Stance infinite uptime and Voice of Command used so often

[south spindle]

I have no idea why that is still being used as the benchmark

Gold toughness is a shidd mechanic

[tall torrent]

Because FatShark cannot buff things right in 1 go

[somber axle]

Because Tactical Awareness CD reduction has to factor in the gold toughness uptime from Voice of Command

[tall torrent]

Just look at the weapon changes this update

[south spindle]

Yeah, they look very much like they do half the job, and not much more than that for the most part, at least they did at first glance when i read patch notes a couple days back

[torpid grotto]

Get rid of gold and make it a buff that gives ranged tdr and movespeed

[somber axle]

It's one of only two sources of gold toughness in the game iirc

Kinda feels like it'd be weird to lose the gold toughness because then it is literally just Zealot Chorus unless a new class gets it

[south spindle]

Neither Vet nor Zealot should have it imo

[somber axle]

They really shouldn't but if you drop it from both the mechanic just ceases to exist altogether

And who else would you put it on

[dry cloak]

One thing would make gold toughness much more balanced

[south spindle]

I mean, I dont see a huge problem with it just being taken out the game

[dry cloak]

Once its gone its gone.

Because now you can regenrate it

[somber axle]

I feel like groupwide gold toughness is so strong

[south spindle]

True, that would make it less dumb

[somber axle]

But if someone could self buff themselves single target with gold toughness it might not be so crazy

[south spindle]

I did have the idea of putting it on Exe a while back, but we got giga-toughness regen instead so 🤷‍♂️

[somber axle]

Idk that Vet needs it tbh

I'd probably give it to Ogryns

Even with all the buffs this update they could still do with a lot of love

[south spindle]

Ogryn is weird

[tall torrent]

U still play testing?

[south spindle]

Either the best class in the game, or commonly beleived to be the worst depending on what patch is going on at the time

[dry cloak]

Best buff to ogryns would be nerfing 4/6 classes

[south spindle]

Nah, not for a long while now

[somber axle]

Who is the other

[south spindle]

I had too many other commitments to be of any real use after the Havoc update

Life doing life things

[dry cloak]

Not nerfed? Zeslot

[somber axle]

That makes sense now

Zealot fire nade needs a touch up LOL

[south spindle]

That would sort of be the best case scenario for the game all round, not just for Ogryn, but in general

[somber axle]

It's such a victim of power creep

Fire nade has been left in the dust

[dry cloak]

Yes it would

[dry cloak]

Yes. But fatshark aint gonna do ot

Because of the shitters on steam and reddit

[south spindle]

Nah, they most certainly are not because there would be mass crashouts over it

[dry cloak]

Let whiners whine

[tall torrent]

DT would immediately be 10x better if psyker toughness got nerfed from 125 to 50

[south spindle]

DT would be infinitely better if Psyker got its legs broken in multiple ways

[dry cloak]

May i add that that massive nerfing would entail reduction in enemy numbers

[tall torrent]

This one way is enough

[south spindle]

Not necessarily, but it would result in less armour clown-cars

[willow prairie]

the problem with psyker is like you're rewarded a lot for doing much less

like being braindead effective

[dry cloak]

By enemy reduction i mean less crushers and other elites for more horde enemies

[south spindle]

In such case then, yes, it would

[tall torrent]

Yea spawn 50 bruisers and teach people how to actually play melee

(90%+ players will fold to this)

[south spindle]

Fuck it, spawn 500, would still be better than 30 Bulwarks popping out of Tertium's asshole at random intervals

[dry cloak]

Also. I would like more distinction between scabs and dregs

[south spindle]

Yeah, thats a bugbear many of us have had since launch

[dry cloak]

Learn through pain

[willow prairie]

suffering create experiences

[dry cloak]

What@willow prairie

[willow prairie]

ok i forgot what the exact quote

[tall torrent]

Suffering builds character

[willow prairie]

unc

[dry cloak]

Like

I learned how to dodge through falling down

A lot

[south spindle]

Everyone starts off life in Tertium as a floor-inspector

[dry cloak]

Except some take giant crutches

In form of voc and dueling sword

[south spindle]

True

Game has a lot of crutches atm

[dry cloak]

I havent had those

Started on old ogryn

Just before gloriana

Any how

Thats the state of game we are in

[somber axle]

They already did this. It was the Infested Moebian 21st event and most people did fold immediately LOL

[left garden]

hey, with the new changes to veteran and the plasma gun. Is the cleave node really required or does it still cut through just about everything?

[tall torrent]

Ik, they should do that as a base game mechanic, just moebian groaners as a surge wave

[somber axle]

Funny memories of Vets with Dueling Sword getting bullied

[willow prairie]

duelling sword never been that good bruh

[south spindle]

Most underutilized enemy tbh

[somber axle]

That'd be fun

[tall torrent]

Red should also be a base game mechanic

Make elite enemies stagger/stun/suppression immune after dropping below certain HP

[south spindle]

Ehhhh, I'd rather aids havoc stuff stays in havoc tbh

[tall torrent]

That’s the only havoc modifier that actually makes the game more fun

[willow prairie]

I mean if it modifier sure

[south spindle]

The event modifiers generally tend to be quite fun because they're not deliberately anti-player for the sake of it

[somber axle]

Bring back the hyper accurate faster firing shooters/gunners pls

[willow prairie]

200 poxburster on gloriana

[somber axle]

That brief window when people were cowering outside the elevator on Gloriana

[tall torrent]

I will stop whining about FatShark’s balance incompetences for a week minimum if they nerf psyker toughness from 125 to 50

[south spindle]

No you wont

[hollow ibex]

20 more buffs to scriers it is

[willow prairie]

this game is balanced by chatgpt

[tall torrent]

I will

[sly orchid]

atleast darktide is balanced better than helldivers

[south spindle]

Gloriana already has one of the single worst event rooms, it doesnt need 100RPS shooters walking about again

[somber axle]

Ogryns had the worst time ever during that whole mess

[willow prairie]

most of my dead in hd2 is due to enemy spam tbh

[south spindle]

A bar so low I could drag myself over it after a bottle of gin

[willow prairie]

otherwise diff 10 is a breeze

progression is so fucking ass though

[south spindle]

Ogryns and lots of shooty things is generally a pretty bad thing for em, regardless of context

Big man eating bullets like he has a magnet strapped to his chest

[somber axle]

I miss seeing the terrified Ogryns using shield special and then refusing to move ever until a dog pounces them or a trapper nets them

I haven't seen them in forever

They were so funny

[south spindle]

Year one Darktide right there

[grand perch]

took a half year break, any important changes to vet i should know about?

[dry cloak]

Exe stance better voc worse infiltrate better

[random cairn]

hi i was off the game for a while, does the game changed alot? i feal like the enemies are gething much smarted and started to flank alot, and people are soloing alot more then before

[tame lodge]

Cleave node unneeded

[bold sierra]

Efficiency on Inf Lasgun is nice but kinda sad that the cooldown resets everytime you shoot, I dont think I need it for the GREEN and BLUE mark.

[tall torrent]

u don't rly need it for plasm
it's good for revolver 2a, boltgun 2b, combat shotguns (all), helbore (all), recon lasgun 14 and braced autogun 8

[bold sierra]

cleave node is goated for agripana autogun on H40 tho, it's goated for zealot, it's gonna be goated for vet now too

[tame lodge]

Nah

Unneeded

[amber vortex]

Cleve is great with recon las

Feels really good

[tame lodge]

Get something better with that 1 point

[tall torrent]

well the choice is that vs field improv vs serrated blade

so not many good generalist choices

[somber axle]

Voice of Command 30 sec CD -> 40 sec, Revive Shout downsides removed

Infiltrate 45 sec CD -> 40 sec CD, 30% damage duration 5 sec -> 8 sec

Exe Stance duration baseline 5 sec -> 6 sec, 9 sec with Ogryns subside

Plasma cleave nerfed for hip shots from 55 to 18, charged shot ammo cost reduced (I don't have the ammo numbers off the top of my head)

Infantry Lasgun ammo reserves buffed, Efficiency blessing buffed to -66% ammo cost every 0.5 sec, Unyielding ADM slightly improved and IIb given recoil buff. All variants got an update to hit scan for easier headshots

Oh and

Get Back in the Fight removed

[tame lodge]

That row still trash huh

[tall torrent]

this is not fully accurate

plasma m1 cleave is 9.45

[somber axle]

Replaced with Withering Fire for +50% ranged cleave

[somber axle]

Thanks I forgor the exact numbers but vaguely remembered things

[south spindle]

Did it make much difference in practice?

[bold sierra]

I think I can opt out field improv and serrated blade for it for certain builds. Being able to cleave through H40 21st moebian with agripana inf autogun is nice. And it's not reliant on being near enemies like with Zealot.

[tall torrent]

9.45 can’t go through mauler or scab rager, and stops on hitting 2nd scab gunner/shotgunner

[tame lodge]

Shooting hordes

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[somber axle]

Power Falchion and Heavy Sword also got changes but idk those off the top of my head

[south spindle]

Interesting, thats cool. So no issue vs most things, but not free vs armour, decent enough changes

[tame lodge]

Also quite wrong

[tall torrent]

Ye, I quite like the plasma nerf

Could be lower cleave still but it’s ok

Charge shot I think needs more stuff

[south spindle]

Howd you mean?

[tall torrent]

Charge shot is still not rly worth using

[south spindle]

Ah gotcha, yeah giving it an AoE instead of it behaving like a railgun would be a good start

[somber axle]

It's a step in the right direction but it's a whole staircase left to climb to make the charged shots competitive with the hip fire

[bold sierra]

I'd say I'm pretty good in H40, makign a build so I can occasionally mow down hordes with an autogun isn't gonna be that crazy.

I already played gazillion ton of H40s with old exec stance and inf lasgun, nothing is off the board

[tame lodge]

2.1 + 50% is 3.15

A h40 21st groaner

Is 4.05 mass

You're not shooting through one

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[bold sierra]

with deathspitter.

[serene bough]

You just gotta believe in yourself, man

[bold sierra]

deathspitter and dum dum for agripana autogun bro

it's enough.

[somber axle]

Isn't Deathspitter 6.5% strength

[bold sierra]

x5

[tall torrent]

Per stack, up to 5 stacks

[somber axle]

Oh I forgor the stacks

[bold sierra]

you can cleave through 21st moebian with like 2-3 stacks I think

[somber axle]

Does that push it past the 21st mass

[bold sierra]

yes

[grand perch]

[tall torrent]

Needs 5 stacks

But doable

[bold sierra]

yeah fair enough

but yeah, it's very doable

[tame lodge]

Yeah see

[tall torrent]

4 stack is 3.969 cleave

[tame lodge]

Shooting hordes

[tall torrent]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[bold sierra]

i am not bound by conventional means

[tall torrent]

It’s not rly worth building for

[faint beacon]

Heavy Sword mini rework, Special now applies a unique brittleness and follow up light has ignore carapace cleave cancel

Nothingburger Falchion buff

[tame lodge]

Just put the Manstopper Double Barrel on the bag

[faint beacon]

5-10% damage increase on powered only swings

[tall torrent]

Falchion only needs 9 more buffs to be good

[faint beacon]

And GBITF is now Withering Fire which is 50% Ranged Cleave

[tame lodge]

Running Onslaught with Hsword just because the special stacks separately

[grand perch]

oooh

[tame lodge]

[willow prairie]

basically nothing

[tall torrent]

This talent will bait so many people

Lmao

[grand perch]

yeah i struggle to come up with actual use cases

[tall torrent]

It’s good for revolver, boltgun IIb, combat shotgun, helbore, recon XIV and braced autogun VII

[tame lodge]

There's not a single person that believes more in myself than myself

[tall torrent]

Outside of that u don’t rly care for it

[somber axle]

Helbore Hot Shot Withering Fire

[tame lodge]

Yeah 9 cleave essentially

[tall torrent]

Revolver with WF is pretty funny

[bold sierra]

just curious about inf lasgun's cleave, what does it do for that, specifically VII.

[tame lodge]

Helbore and Plasma really fighting for number 1 spot

[tall torrent]

1.5 x1.5 =2.25

[somber axle]

Helbore is my current fav weapon so I'm happy to see Withering Fire

[bold sierra]

ah, meh

[tall torrent]

U can cleave through some specialist enemies but not rly useful

[somber axle]

Plus Rumbling Giants event is finally over so I can swap off the IV back onto the V

[faint beacon]

Oh also Heavy Sword got a buff to it’s swing movements so it feels more fluid and not clunky when running around attacking with it

Aka HS is Pretty solid now

Well even better tbh

Bladed Momentum was reworked also but there really isn’t much a reason to take it?

[grand perch]

so what overlooked weapon is ainz using now

[faint beacon]

8% rending for multiple enemies cleaved for 4s

Up to 40%

[somber axle]

Does Vet have any overlooked weapons

[faint beacon]

Eh

[somber axle]

Shredder Autopistol maybe?

[tall torrent]

Vig auto 3

lol

[faint beacon]

Vets in a better spot now tbh

Vigilants are heavily overlooked

[somber axle]

It's such a good gun it's just so ugly

[faint beacon]

They’re insane in the right hands

[somber axle]

Hunchback of Notre Dame kind of weapon

[bold sierra]

Efficiency is cool but eh, just gonna go back to Ghost

[faint beacon]

Don’t talk shit about my goat

[faint beacon]

It’s honestly good on Mk IX imo

Other than that

[somber axle]

Give it like one single pretty cosmetic please

[faint beacon]

Ehh

[bold sierra]

it's good if you wanna wait every shot tho...and it's really hard to use it with Wp Spcialist.

the cooldown resets everyshot

[somber axle]

I'll use the Vigilant Autogun if I can have any skin that ditches the wire stock

[faint beacon]

With its slower ROF you usually frequently proc it

Hence I say on Mk IX

Others I’d say no

[bold sierra]

fs, but I use inf lasgun a lot with WpSpecialist, so it doesn't work

and the green one

[tall torrent]

I went back to headhunter + ghost

[faint beacon]

Mk VII

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist IIb twitchy finger click vibes

[faint beacon]

I’m gassing up Eff + HH on IX but the others are just

[bold sierra]

It's best for MkIX orange one + no WpSpecialist build

[faint beacon]

Better

With Ghost

[bold sierra]

so it's gonna be goated for that

I'm just happy that I get 850 sth spare ammo for MkVII now WITHOUT 25% ammo node

it's so good

[faint beacon]

Yeah the IX is the brown one

[bold sierra]

the Unyielding dmg+ is gonna be really nice to deal with Reapers on H40

I gotta update soloplay, it's broken now, wanna test it out in H40 modifiers

[faint beacon]

It’s literally the only one I can genuinely defend Eff on

IIb and VII no

[bold sierra]

yeah. if they make the cooldown not reset every shot, it'd be a nicer pick

but i suppose that's somewhat busted xD

[faint beacon]

Yeah I can see that

[bold sierra]

maybe

[faint beacon]

But IXs ROF is perfect with Eff imo

[tame lodge]

Middle child Infantry Autogun

[faint beacon]

Graia

[somber axle]

The tricky thing is that I don't feel like any of the Infantry Lasguns even need Efficiency

[faint beacon]

The Graia Auto

[somber axle]

The ammo buff makes it feel fine without Shock Trooper or Efficiency imo

[bold sierra]

well, it's BARELY not to be spammable but yeah lol

[somber axle]

I run HH/DA and never run into ammo troubles

[faint beacon]

Tbf I treat it like when I’m playing Vigils

[bold sierra]

I already ran inflas be4 without Shocktrooper, it's legit perfect

[faint beacon]

Aka take my time popping heads and I basically never go under 700 reserve

It’s insane imo

That and you can easily save talents by not needing Shock or even Survivalist

[somber axle]

Yeah and now it kinda feels like you can save the talent point off Fully Loaded too

[bold sierra]

yeah, IX is the sniper one, the other 2 work better with GHost with the higher RoF

[bold sierra]

I also didnt run 25% ammo xD

[somber axle]

That's fair LOL

[bold sierra]

now it's got 860 spare ammo WITHOUT

so good

[somber axle]

It's solid now except for dealing with Flak but still feels good in Expeditions anyway

[faint beacon]

Honestly thinking about it

IIb seeing it’s recoil was dampened

Might be fucking insane with Ghost now

Unsure about Falter cause that’s the other Float pick you can choose that genuinely helps stagger BPs on the ILASs

[hybrid plover]

I prefer chained deathblow for better armor damage tbh

[faint beacon]

That’s Crit right

[hybrid plover]

Crits with the added brittleness actually put in work

[faint beacon]

This might be insane

And I might try it

Wonder how stupid abusing Special Follow up with serrated and Bladed would be

Fancier Bleed Rending

[tough nova]

Thats a neat idea

[faint beacon]

I can say right now this is not optimal at all

But I’m thinking of trying it out for shits and giggles

[tough nova]

What are we feeling is the best hsword rotation for crusher packs?

[faint beacon]

Probably not HS9 seeing it’s better at clear but it’s single target combo is kinda meh

Still good though just slower

[tough nova]

No I mean attack combo

Obviously leading with alt light at the very least

[faint beacon]

Usually Special + whichever strikedown follow up

HS9 would just be special -> heavy

I swear theres one with a light strike down

That’s probably the better option

[finite glacier]

Does anyone have a recon las build? I don't see very many people using it anymore, is it still worth it?

[tame lodge]

It's alright

[tough nova]

Check the pinned guide he prolly has one in there

And they are still fun and ammo efficient

[turbid ibex]

Nope

[stray lintel]

i'm currently playing a recon las build

[turbid ibex]

Guide doesnt have recon build

[tough nova]

Color me surprised mb

That guy is pretty thorough

[turbid ibex]

Recon las is just kinda mid

[stray lintel]

idk, i've been burning armored enemies and bosses easily

[somber axle]

That depends are you looking for something to mess around with or running H40

You can run a meme build shooting everything including Crushers but Vet chat will be angry at the suggestion, or you sorta just treat it like a better Infantry Lasgun for cleaning up specials/elites

[finite glacier]

Not h40, just auric malestrom tops

[tall torrent]

I purposefully didn't include it

[somber axle]

XII/VIc Dum Dum + Infernus
XIV Dum Dum + Deathspitter or Infernus

Crit Chance and Flak

I'll share a normal tree and a funny tree one sec

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[somber axle]

For being Normal

For being Silly and making people mad that you're shooting a Crusher LOL

I have an alternate talent tree I use with Deadshot + Duck n Dive for Auric shenanigans with Carapace replacing Flak on the Recon XIV purely when I'm feeling lazy and don't want to melee

Recip + Deadshot with some Stam curios makes for something very dumb

[faint beacon]

Swaying the masses to try to use different weapons

[willow prairie]

why are you using weapon spec on reconlas

[tame lodge]

Funny rate of fire

[hollow ibex]

Valid choice if you’re taking WS more for your melee tbf

[heavy rover]

If you want extra memes

Run deadshot

[willow prairie]

me when no stamina

[hollow ibex]

Deadshot is a bit better now

That vet stamina economy isn’t a meme

[somber axle]

brrrrrrt

This is for being funny

Not to be optimal

[hot whale]

Hey fellas, how would y’all set up a VoC/Focus target build? I’m tryna get really thematic with my commissar fit

[hot whale]

Ikr lol

Basic bitch build 😢🙏

[orchid hemlock]

Focus target soo boring

I honestly don't know anyone who uses it anymore on the discord

[heavy rover]

Depends on what else you want to run with it

[hot whale]

DS or chainsword with las or bolt pistol 😄

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe it's good with bolt gun and recon

But in almost every other scenario, WS is better

[hot whale]

Yeah I know that’s why I’m struggling putting this together brodie, all of my other builds go into wep spec

[heavy rover]

I mean as long as you hit shocktrooper and desperado, I'm guessing you'll be fine for the rest of the build

[orchid hemlock]

Be a Chad and go MF Vraks

[somber axle]

Anyway with a normal Recon Las build you're still using your melee as the can opener

So weapon spec is still there for your melee

Focus Target is boring imo

And Marksman's Focus really isn't doing enough for a Recon to justify it ever

[south spindle]

I dont think i've ever used that node for anything

[somber axle]

You can swap Exe Stance to Voice of Command if you prefer, or do Shredders/Smokes instead of Krak but tbh I enjoy Kraks more for Auric QP to help deal with Crusher/Bulwark groups and to stagger stun bosses

[south spindle]

Ping for damage? No thanks

[somber axle]

I've used it a bit in the past for Boltgun since it helped for some satisfying breakpoints but that was so long ago that idk if FT/RF even does that with Boltgun anymore

Plus I don't really do Recon las Crusher hunting anymore after Crusher HP was buffed

Time to kill is too slow and like at best it's sorta passable if you find a combat stim but Rumbling Giants really proved to me that Recon isn't going to hold up when you need it to and you'll just end up kiting forever

[hollow ibex]

Yeah recon was always mid against crushers and it’s even worse now

[south spindle]

Boltgun = MF imo, but that'll probably annoy people 😄

[somber axle]

It's good for normal special/elite killing but isn't going to shine on a Crusher

[somber axle]

I agree and it hits some very funny breakpoints with it LOL

[willow prairie]

focus target require conscious decision

[south spindle]

Yeah, it does. 😄 All of them lmao

[willow prairie]

value highly depend on if you remember to ping or not

I don't

[hearty panther]

oh hey when did reconlas gal come back

[somber axle]

The Crusher HP buff really made everyone understand very clearly that you either melee a Crusher or you Helbore a Crusher

[south spindle]

Or Boltgun them

[hollow ibex]

Tbf some ranged weapons still wreck crushers but yeah melee is usually more efficient

[hearty panther]

sometimes i miss what zealot dash + bolter would do to armored blobs

[somber axle]

I left Darktide for over a year but a friend kept trying to get me to play again the whole time and even gifted me the Arbites DLC. The Rumbling Giants event and the Cadian helmet with the visor is what finally nudged me into coming back

[south spindle]

Yeah, old Zealot dash rending was very funny at times

[somber axle]

Are there others with ok TTK

[serene bough]

Helbore comes to mind

Whichever the heavy one is

[somber axle]

Because I remember looking at Boltgun and Plasma during my first days back while trying to relearn Darktide and realised they both are awful when you have 10 Crushers and Bulwarks in your face

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=68fef034&is=68fd9eb4&hm=e667c8b7188bc7644f3e147d9d0664005d11f9547dfce9d37ba70855dbf4d313&

[somber axle]

I know Rumbling Giants is an outlier but I really love hunting Ogryns

[hollow ibex]

Quite a few options

If you’re willing to go meme

Bistol Vraks IAG CS

[somber axle]

That's neat I didn't know you could do that with the combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

Hell even laspis can be made to kill crushers fairly efficiently

[willow prairie]

build?

[hollow ibex]

Turns out armor doesn’t matter if you have stupid amounts of finesse

[somber axle]

I see that MF buff LOL

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

Similarly…

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0524cdc-cfe8-4414-a0c9-02244b000034/deagle-in-my-pants

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1437197478964367480/78E2901.MP4?ex=69125df4&is=69110c74&hm=d0e3b526ec6efd6338bc3a175873905476c35ba0aacb812d4ad8e24e4fa03e00&

[somber axle]

Bistol is funny but I dislike how awkward it feels and the slight angle on ADS bothers me

[willow prairie]

what about havoc

[hearty panther]

The tactical tilt

[somber axle]

I miss the dumb candle tbh

Remember the cosmetic skin were they had a lit candle in front of the sights

Directly in front of your shots

Legitimately blocking your view when you aimed

They melted the candle and removed the fire

people were so mad

But it was so funny

[hearty panther]

i want the candle back so badly

[somber axle]

Same

[hearty panther]

'It's obstructive' mfer that's called a front sight post also the emperor guides my aim u faithless heretic

[somber axle]

Let the Emperor guide your shots

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-gif-22961531

[hearty panther]

wish the candle was a toggle

i really did buy that skin FOR THE CANDLE

[somber axle]

Same

[tall torrent]

expeditions having mission abort at the end is so ass

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/expeditions-aborted-by-unexpected-error-at-the-very-end/119815

[south spindle]

Very polished content

[willow prairie]

Real

[hollow ibex]

lol reminds me of good ol VT 2 days when they didn’t have goat migration

[willow prairie]

i just remembered that withering fire is a thing noe

shit gonna be funny

[somber axle]

I tried to do an Expedition this morning before leaving for work and the mission abort bug happened, kicked everyone from the Expedition and ended it halfway through the run

So disappointing too because I didn't have time for another attempt

[tall torrent]

expeditions meta might just be doing 1 zone and extracting over and over

no sanctuary

the more u venture the bigger u risk GETTING MISSION ABORTED AND LOSING EVERYTHING

[south spindle]

How did this not get caught

The odd bug here an there, sure, bound to be, but one thats pretty much gamebreaking? C'mon man

[tall torrent]

incompetence or malice, or both

call it

[south spindle]

Well Malice is easy so lets go with incompetance

[tall torrent]

I just wrote very bluntly, I deserve compensation
idc what kind of compensation but they need to show that they care
this does not respect my time

[willow prairie]

fatshark is famous for not playtesting

[tame lodge]

The paid helmet or the "free"

🚬

[hollow ibex]

Yeah sounds like I won’t be coming back this update

[tall torrent]

it's a very fun mode, the errors just kill a lot of it

[tame lodge]

So just like helldivers
D4 main objectives
Leave
Liberate the planet faster

[tall torrent]

unfortunately DT has penance asking u to spend 100k scraps

I've only spent 2255 so far

[somber axle]

Paid because I wasn't even aware there was a free one LOL

The green Recon Las gun cosmetic also felt too good to pass up

It completes my Elysian look

The penances having such long goals make me feel like this new game mode is expected to hold the game for content for a while tbh

Not something to be consumed in a week or even a month with the expectation of something new after

Probably no new maps or enemies for a while but fingers crossed new weapons and a new class are on the road map

Stuff is so deeply AdMech flavored it feels like a hint at something similar on the table (especially with how many people made angry comments over Hive Scum not being AdMech LOL)

[tame lodge]

So
The somehow found a way to bug a visor into one of the existing free helmets
That was the "free" one

They fixed the bug

And added the slop shop one

💀

[somber axle]

That's rough LOL

But yeah the visor always felt like one of those "break glass in case we need money" boxes

It's an easy sell

[bold sierra]

honestly thinking of sacrificing some Ammo for Mobility on inf lasgun

new mobility looks kinda neat

[gilded pike]

I actually wish the green recon didn't have the skulls or the wax

sometimes cosnmetics have a bit too much detail

eg: why does the eisenhorn coat have 2 random lil skull keychains

[somber axle]

That's fair and I feel the same with a few things too like the starter Arbites armour has a small wax seal at the waist that I wish wasn't there

The whole skulls on everything is (sometimes unfortunately) the 40k aesthetic with most things

Games Workshop has a whole event showcasing their stuff called Skulls

[gilded pike]

It's the worldbuilder in me

that makes me wish they hadn't put the wax seal on the lasgun barrel

literally the one place where it makes no sense

similarly for the fancy flamers that are wrapped up in leather lol

[somber axle]

I had to look up what the seals even are just now because they always just seemed like the equivalent of a medal but like the lore is kinda neat

I know this is the wrong channel for it but to keep it short

Originally Oaths of the Moment stamped onto armour to display a mission with the threat of dishonor on failure

In modern 40k they're called purity seals and the religious fervor has a tangible affect on the warp to such a degree that it adds resistance to corruption

[last marten]

the blessings are the best parts

[somber axle]

The prayer and ritual is so strong that it is actually a shield

The blessings are more than mere decoration

For weapons and armour the AdMech work on its basically their certification that the weapon has been inspected, maintained and is ready for function

Kinda neat that when you run the Ghost blessing on an Infantry Lasgun the purity seal on your weapon is by lore protecting you

When that Moebian 6th traitor fires at you it is the blessing that gives you that moment free of fire

didn't know the mechanics sorta tied into lore so much LOL

[last marten]

the emperor protects

[somber axle]

he really does

its funny because the Oaths of the Moment deal are tied directly to pre-Horus Heresy era where these seals were missions with approval from the Emperor and the stamping of these Oaths required an officer as witness to the one undertaking the mission

the seals have evolved to the mission of protecting humanity from any and every danger it can

[viral nacelle]

Anyone got a good build for the las rifles in expeditions?

Figure it’s low density and low stakes enough to get away with some ole fashion exe stance Kant 9 action

[shell girder]

Are you good at getting headshots with it?

[worn rose]

It’s not hard to get headshots with that gun, it’s a pretty easy gun to use

[south spindle]

He does until that fuckface Trapper in the next room nets you through six feet of solid concrete, then he's nowhere to be found

[somber axle]

Yeah it feels like the Emperor protects from what he expects. A lasgun is known. A maniac with a net launcher running onto an active battlefield is clown behavior and we know the Emperor is not at all prepared for clowns since a pair of Harlequins broke into his throne room LOL

[south spindle]

[frigid rover]

i wish i could learn to like the ilas options more
feels so clunky to me :(

[viral nacelle]

I’m alright and I’ve got my rashad if I’m off

Frags seem better in that mode as you’re less likely to run into cara wall and more likely to want just loads of nade spam for group clear

[tepid otter]

Which Helbore mk has the fastest charge again

[hollow ibex]

5

[half path]

@south spindle I guess you both aren’t that aware of a very common concept in gaming lol. Testing server environments being completely different from the live server environments. A bug can and in this case does exist on live that was never a thing on test.

Actually this isn’t just a gaming thing

This is just all software in general

[south spindle]

I'm more aware than you think lol

[half path]

but ye the mission aborting are annoying but they are a very new thing

[tall torrent]

I got 3 aborts out of the 4 games I played, and the other one I lost because last person standing can’t exfil solo

Did none of this ever come up in testing scenario?

[south spindle]

It is a really significant problem.

[tall torrent]

Solo exfil?

I can “get” the lack of knowing the mission abort issues

But not having solo exfil?

Even if I’m the last person standing, everyone else tied up 120m away and radiation timer hit 0?

[half path]

Did a lot of testing solo and never had this issue so that’s also new

[tall torrent]

You can make really good excuses for it and I can understand them to a certain degree

Understanding does not mean acceptance

I think I deserve to have some of my progress back from these issues beyond my control

I like the mode. I think it’s a great addition

I also think this needs way more polish than it currently has

[half path]

not really an excuse I’m just saying what my reality was, obviously there is a lot I can’t say. You probably aren’t gonna get progression back for an unstable build though we both know that hell look at launch of this game

[slow spade]

Yeah I got fucked over too because I was the last man standing

"Oops needs 2 to extract :3"

[tall torrent]

That’s to be expected but as always not good enough

[half path]

I kind of dislike the majority system that was added cause 2 is classed as the majority when 4 are alive

[tall torrent]

Actually I can take this to dm if u want, I have some suggestions to make if u don’t mind

[half path]

Sure I’ll listen but like I’ve said to you in the past I’m not fatshark

[tall torrent]

That’s fine, you’re better

[slow spade]

Yeah it really fucks over clutches as I just had to die because "lol 50m+ away"

[hollow ibex]

devs don't play their own game and QA is handled by ChatGPT

[finite glacier]

Thanks for the build. I didn't see it till just now

[wild vortex]

hi fellas

how's the new update

[slow spade]

ogryn shooter builds are eating good

Vet is fine? Exec Stance was always good now it's just better

VoC is sad but still good

[gilded wraith]

Tactical Awareness still needs "or ally" badly.

[crude widget]

VOC is great for tech remnants, I could just go easiest difficulty, solo Vet to farm stuff and use VOC in a pinch

[hybrid plover]

I am respectfully asking Fatshark to stop nerfing shout

And nerf the god damn gold instead.

[turbid ibex]

True

Or just straight up reworking it to be a teambuff ability like crate

[tall torrent]

I’m respectfully asking fatshark to get their shit together

[tall torrent]

I could pretend to be stupid and ask for aquilas yk

Would that be more realistically feasible than getting tech remnants

Just something relevant to show me that they care

[tepid otter]

any weapons people like taking into the new game mode

[tidal fox]

anything ammo hungry tbh

10 scrap for a refill is pretty cracked

on vet I just spam plasma gun and keep specialists clear for my team with exe stance

[tepid otter]

hmm

[tidal fox]

dont even need the ammo aura talent

[slow spade]

I use the agri shotgun

[tidal fox]

revolver would also be good i think

[slow spade]

it can snipe and magdump at close range

[tidal fox]

too much falloff for my taste imo I need my one shots on the bombers that can be like 100 feet away now

[slow spade]

get the "+20% reload if weapon still has ammo" for quick snipes and snapshotting people

[slow spade]

get rending

as rending counteracts damage dropoff

[tidal fox]

and also plasma gun is a better generalizer

[tidal fox]

youre crazy if you think im letting go of weapons specialist

[slow spade]

bad keystone

sponsored by Nurgle

[slow spade]

not really these days

agri shotgun does a lot that plasma does but better

[tidal fox]

weapons specialist and always prepared for the passive reload on swap is chefs kiss

[tidal fox]

the cleave alone puts plasma as the best vet weapon

[slow spade]

especially now that plasma is even slower to shoot

[tidal fox]

I cant imagine taking a shotgun with me into a public lobby with high intensity

[tall torrent]

nah not rly

[slow spade]

wild but you do you

[slow spade]

I mean the only thing I can think of is the cleave

[tidal fox]

cause people dont ever have the ranged weapons (or awareness?) to snipe stuff like vets normally should

so I have to dedicate most of my time to shooting

which is where plasma shines well

[slow spade]

with a slow firing, ammo inefficient weapon that overheats?

yeah I'll stick with the agri

[tidal fox]

it's not slow firing

unless youre using the charged

who uses charged

the ammo inefficiency is true but it's high risk high reward

[slow spade]

like haha plasma glazing and all but you can't seriously be saying it's not a slow firing weapon

[tall torrent]

it's far less consistent than plasma for 1 taps and less range

[tidal fox]

nothing beats it in terms of sniping key targets clearly

[tall torrent]

shotgun ADM falloff over range is not good

[tidal fox]

how is it slow though I dont get it

the primary fire is pretty quick

[slow spade]

I've not been having issues with 1-tapping?

well besides the usual suspects like Maulers and stuff with carapce

[tall torrent]

it's better than before but not fully consistent still

[slow spade]

it has a 0.6s refire delay to begin with

[slow spade]

I guess it's just my build then

[tidal fox]

it's really not that bad because again weapons specialist for melee handling

it's really good for carrying on sniping key things your team wants to ignore

although I have no idea of the efficiency of it in communicating teams

could be worse for all i know

[slow spade]

I just prefer bringing something that's "snappier"

[tidal fox]

same I would take revolver over plasma any day if it wasn't more ammo hungry

but the C L E A V E

[slow spade]

it helps that the agri shotgun can break open bulwark shields from the front compared to the other shotguns

I want to like the lawbringer for the fanshot but holy shit it can't kill

[tall torrent]

nah it's just, not fully consistent
u can call it better than before which I agree
but shotguns won't ever be as consistent as single hitscan guns for breakpoints unless they change how shotgun dmg system works

[slow spade]

funny you say that because I specifically swapped over to the agri shotgun for the more consistent breakpoints lol

[tidal fox]

trust me give plasma and weapons specialist a try for a few games

you'll find it more consistent and reliable

do wish shotguns were better though they are fun to use

[slow spade]

I did :p

that's actually the build I used before I swapped

[tidal fox]

and you still like shotgun?

I mean preference aside I prefer other weapons as well but

bang for buck plasma clears unfortunately

[slow spade]

na I just use the best

[livid sphinx]

ngl I dont feel much difference on the plasma

It still fucks a shit ton of heretics in one load

[slow spade]

yeah the cleave nerf was eh

the pullout speed nerf is there but it's not a big factor

business as usual for plasma unless you're doing an exec stance plasma then you're eating good

[dapper agate]

Does this also apply to melee or is it just range?

[hollow ibex]

rending is a universal buff

so melee too

[dapper agate]

ok, thanks

[livid sphinx]

I love how I have been playing for 4 hours now on Gamma and I haven't won a single one

dog hordes are brutal in open spaces

[vale sparrow]

thoughts on good setups for havoc 40 this patch?

[slow spade]

I've basically always been playing dog arbites solely because the dog can maul everyone while I run away

[tall torrent]

same as before except for helbore u can pick cleave over field improv

[unique orchid]

do enemies get stat buffs in the wastes after a certain amount of time? bulwarks on heresy were tanking my kraks

(this is NOT normal, i have bring it down)

[gilded wraith]

Is hotshot worth grabbing if you get the 50% cleave talent?

[tall torrent]

yea u get 9 effective cleave for weakspot hit

[maiden wolf]

Thats nit true at all like you always want field improv and on plasma gun you dont need the extra cleave. On Helbore just take out the 15% dmg to elite or some other dmg note

[tall torrent]

I never said plasma needs the cleave talent

and superiority is almost always taken anyway

[maiden wolf]

Yeah but on Helbore too Field improv has big priority over the cleave on havoc 40

[tall torrent]

field improv is generally ok

I'd prefer to skip choosing between these if I could

[maiden wolf]

Most builds run it because you mostly have space for it

[tall torrent]

most builds ran it because the competition is serrated blade or GBITF before

now with ranged cleave maybe some get choice

[maiden wolf]

I can agree on this

But i dont know many people who ran serrated blade in a havoc 40 sense its kinda bad except for on knife

[distant mural]

I dont see crate have much use outside havoc

In expeditions u might get like one crate or so

If even

[maiden wolf]

Yeah thats true But we where talking bout havoc 40

[errant bear]

Weird complaint Agri takes about the same time to load special bullet

[errant bear]

Plus when you really think about they have about the same clip

So ammo inefficient doesn't make much sense either

If anything Agri becomes less efficient when you spam it as panic button

[errant bear]

It takes 2/3 shots to dispatch enemies that way whereas anything that's not ogryn or heavily armored gets deleted in one tap with plasma

[prisma vessel]

The new Lasgun with unlimited ammo feels nice.

[distant mural]

Guys if u run hellbore what primary u use?

[dry cloak]

Something very good into hordes

Like heavy sword

Or something very safe

Like shockmaul

[distant mural]

Hmm ok

I love it and i hate it

[dry cloak]

Chainsword is also good

[fickle narwhal]

Shovel was surprisingly good in hordes

[dry cloak]

It is

In simply dont use it. So i wont be speaking good or bad about it