uhuh
#veteran-class
frank basin
they like railgun
tall torrent
plasma is not horde clear
tight cave
plasma is not horde clear
tall torrent
plasma is really good at killing specialists and ranged elites
frank basin
which is a single dmg dealer
tall torrent
bring a melee weapon for horde
tight cave
plasma is really good at killing specialists and ranged elites
cant bolter literally do the same? Am i getting plasma wrong? Becuase i was told 15 minutes ago that becuase of cleavage i can kill multiple enemies in a single hit
frank basin
cant bolter literally do the same? Am i getting plasma wrong? Becuase i was told...
heavy charge can have inf cleave
but too slow
tight cave
uhuh
frank basin
horde soft meat walk faster
and it just come say hi you before you fully charge the gun
tight cave
horde soft meat walk faster
got it
tall torrent
cant bolter literally do the same? Am i getting plasma wrong? Becuase i was told...
ideally boltgun is also not the go-to horde clear option
frank basin
ideally boltgun is also not the go-to horde clear option
what about the mk3?
i used for horde so funfun
tight cave
ideally boltgun is also not the go-to horde clear option
i mean yes, but i said about being single target with ability to kill bosses
frank basin
boss has thick health, they tend need dps'er not burst dmg
tall torrent
what about the mk3?
it's the side function
tall torrent
i mean yes, but i said about being single target with ability to kill bosses
what about it
tight cave
boss has thick health, they tend need dps'er not burst dmg
if burst damage is big enough it can kill bosses, isnt it?
tall torrent
plasma is not rly a boss dps weapon
tight cave
what about it
i mean doesnt that make plasma just being outclassed by any weapon in the game? Bolter may also kill specialist and also do what plasma cant
tall torrent
not worth the ammo sink
tall torrent
i mean doesnt that make plasma just being outclassed by any weapon in the game? ...
boltgun doesn't have 9.45 cleave, and has way slower draw
frank basin
i mean doesnt that make plasma just being outclassed by any weapon in the game? ...
can't 1 kill, bosses, clear horde
tall torrent
and boltgun needs frequent reloads, plasma doesn't
frank basin
plasma offer more rds
tight cave
boltgun doesn't have 9.45 cleave, and has way slower draw
what does cleave even give in this case if its not horde clearer???
frank basin
@tall torrent how many enemies pen through from a single shot mk2 boltgun?
tight cave
if its not horde clearer, why does it even need cleavage? Whats the point???
frank basin
if its not horde clearer, why does it even need cleavage? Whats the point???
there's this mechanic every enemies type has hitmass, so higher is, the penetration from weapon stop go through
tall torrent
what does cleave even give in this case if its not horde clearer???
sometimes the thing you want to shoot (flamer, trapper, bomber) is behind groups of enemies
that's where cleave matters for ranged weapons
tight cave
sometimes the thing you want to shoot (flamer, trapper, bomber) is behind groups...
damn
havent even thought of that
frank basin
you can score double kill specs if they lining up
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> how many enemies pen through from a single shot mk2 boltgu...
3 cleave
frank basin
oh right plasma can shoot through certain thickness of the wall
tight cave
you can score double kill specs if they lining up
i dont know every single perk
tight cave
oh right plasma can shoot through certain thickness of the wall
the hell???
tight cave
daaaamn
frank basin
you can shoot enemies behind cover
but light attack is lesser cleave value
which is charge come shine in
tight cave
is plasma any good for sniper build or hellbore/bolter is better?
frank basin
sniper slow shot high dmg not worth on weaker specs ranged enemy, but the bolt and hel are like dmr type worth killing
idk if you are gun fan that dmr is fitting for bolt and hel
plasma can work like only light attack
tight cave
wait, with infinite cleavage i can pierce infinite amount of enemies until its stopped by carapace, right?
tall torrent
is plasma any good for sniper build or hellbore/bolter is better?
plasma is good for melee hybrid
boltgun is a gun u need to build around
helbore is dedicated backline sniping that takes way more investment to build around
tall torrent
wait, with infinite cleavage i can pierce infinite amount of enemies until its s...
plasma is not infinite cleave, but yes
tight cave
plasma is not infinite cleave, but yes
lasagna pizza just told that m2 have one?
or i got it wrong
tall torrent
lasagna pizza just told that m2 have one?
he is wrong
frank basin
lasagna pizza just told that m2 have one?
the game build around has inv wall
cant shoot through thickess wall
cover is acceptable
mystic pilot
or i got it wrong
The today update changed it from infinity to a limited cleavage
tight cave
The today update changed it from infinity to a limited cleavage
daaaaamn
tall torrent
The today update changed it from infinity to a limited cleavage
it was never infinite
frank basin
it was never infinite
let me guess, fatslop bad description writing
tame lodge
Sorry path but the patch notes say infinite so you're wrong 
sly orchid
it was like a 100 cleave
tall torrent
let me guess, fatslop bad description writing
it's not infinite
tame lodge
let me guess, fatslop bad description writing
Yeah
Fatshark moment
frank basin
you need grass touching, i think you obsess with excel stats stuff in this game for far too long
mystic pilot
Yeah i was parroting Fatshark's words
tight cave
you need grass touching, i think you obsess with excel stats stuff in this game ...
excel is life, excel is love.
tame lodge
And explosions are infinite cleave
tight cave
excel is best thing that happened to humanity.
frank basin
lorewise plasma is explosive gas lob thingy not a railgun
tame lodge
frank basin
fs make it railgun instead just wacked the weapon
tight cave
M2 is infinite
your speech sound like that oil floats on water joke
tame lodge
Yeah I have a bad habit of breaking sentences like that
Yes it's a bad habit
I'm not changing 
tight cave
Yeah I have a bad habit of breaking sentences like that
no i mean.
step 1 - oil floats on water
step 2 -cover yourself in oil
step 3 - its raining
step 4 -fly
frank basin
path being dataslaver for far too long in this game, i played Toxic commando without seeing nerd dataslaver around here tell; x y z this weapon stats suck, you need this make build better
tame lodge
That or poorly written haiku
mystic pilot
lorewise plasma is explosive gas lob thingy not a railgun
That had a high armor piercing, only bested by melta gun
frank basin
That had a high armor piercing, only bested by melta gun
melta like dragon breath open from 5000 degree furance
mystic pilot
But it doesn't keep going through multiple objects like a railgun might
tight cave
path being dataslaver for far too long in this game, i played Toxic commando wit...
the hell is toxic commando, since when does he have toxic damage or you just played toxic?
frank basin
the hell is toxic commando, since when does he have toxic damage or you just pla...
other game
tight cave
other game
wait
tight cave
ror 2 i guess
tame lodge
Back 4 Bloodlike
tight cave
im starting to confuse stuff
frank basin
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i ask my friend try b4b before release of TC he won't buy it, not because he know, because he doesn't want spent more money on the older game
tight cave
Back 4 Bloodlike
isnt it just more corerct to call it a l4d-like becuase its older?
tame lodge
Mark Ecko's
frank basin
my friend call ubi as ubislop for profiting Tom Clancy dead writter
the division 2 is slop
my friend hated them, he try realism once and i was too early opt out being to bland and boring
tight cave
my friend call ubi as ubislop for profiting Tom Clancy dead writter
he is right, i mean siege is only reviving now
straight up downfall at wamai/kali add
and glaz nerf made him not so cool anymore
tame lodge
Rainbow Six Extraction moment
frank basin
and Ghost recon wildland are his favorite, i brought breakpoint he didn't like how it looks
tight cave
Rainbow Six Extraction moment
lmao, yes!
frank basin
Rainbow Six Extraction moment
my laptop can't play that game
on demo is send me an error of graphic incompatible
tight cave
my laptop can't play that game
you cant play this game anymore as far as i know
it was shut down cuz nobody played l4d r6s misscariage
frank basin
tame lodge
It got shutdown?
I didn't know
sly orchid
and Ghost recon wildland are his favorite, i brought breakpoint he didn't like h...
breakpoint is so ass it cant even be called a ghost recon sequel
frank basin
breakpoint is so ass it cant even be called a ghost recon sequel
i dress as divison agent and have SHD mp5 went gunblazing in enemy compound not getting punished
tight cave
I haven't kept up with it
still a l4d r6s miscarriage lol
tight cave
who are those
tight cave
dont know what this is
tight cave
Remedy's attempt at horde shooter
remedy? isnt that xbox exclusive about vampires and shit?
tight cave
Vampires? No no
I think
Remedy is more Max Payne
Alan wake
Control
wait i thought abour arcane
tight cave
yes, redfall
tight cave
i havent even saw this game released
like
????
it was that bad i guess that it was not worthy of drama
tame lodge
tight cave
3a slop, my beloved
tight cave
handcrafted by idians on outsource doing anything to not starve to death
tight cave
handcrafted by idians on outsource doing anything to not starve to death
helldivers be like:
sly orchid
i hope they retcon firebreak by just saying they ran out of volunteers and thats how the hiss broke out
tight cave
Anyways Control Resonant this year
And I'll pay the full price
i heard control was a good, but strange game becuase it tried mixing storytelling and scp stuff like documents and anomalies
havent got a hand on it
tight cave
i enjoy poker night in inventory 1 personally after its remaster, dont think that with darktide and marathon i would even want to play something single player from AAA
tight cave
and the lore is really neat
i guess, but for lore diving i personally would prefer warhammer (duuuhh)
abstract moth
Guys is autopistol still buns?
tight cave
Guys is autopistol still buns?
yes? i guess its just a worse carbine?
wasnt it supposed to be just bad?
i thought it was this kind of weapon that you get over after level 3
tight cave
as i heard it is good on hive scum
void dragon
Shredder APistol should have better mobility profile imo, it has quite strong stagger and it's weakspots damage is fine but below Vraks
void dragon
as i heard it is good on hive scum
Everything is good on Hscum because it's broken
abstract moth
Everything is good on Hscum because it's broken
Lmao so they still haven't nerfed them? Noice
tame lodge
i heard control was a good, but strange game becuase it tried mixing storytellin...
It's a pretty good game with insanely high highs and few but painfully low Lows
It mixed metroidvania with like dark souls campfire mechanic
The enemies sometimes spawn and they spawn in few so grinding for mats isn't that reliable
Sometimes you get alarm events where you go to x and kill y so you can get mats
And if you're lucky you get good weapon mods
void dragon
Lmao so they still haven't nerfed them? Noice
They Nerf it, but just isn't brain-dead as before
abstract moth
They Nerf it, but just isn't brain-dead as before
Ah I'd think they would, but glad to hear it is still the good glass cannon they went for
tight cave
It's a pretty good game with insanely high highs and few but painfully low Lows
...
sound fun, but not as fun as poker i guess
or getting your ass pumped by giant blue man with horns cuz your tem def him
void dragon
Ah I'd think they would, but glad to hear it is still the good glass cannon they...
Sliperyest cannon there is, even more dodgy and somehow ObeseFish make it so the perk tree make it more
abstract moth
Literally go crazy with dual wield guns, I really hope diverse weight sharky put some dualwiled guns one the veteran some day
void dragon
Literally go crazy with dual wield guns, I really hope diverse weight sharky put...
Would prefer they made the inf Lasgun good, this patch made it more ammo nonhungry but don't know if that makes it better than recon or helbore in any meaningful way
heavy rover
Personally I'll still be running helbore despite the infantry las buffs
abstract moth
I mean there's literally more than 3 automatic las guns, why they don't add more variety, I want more guns and melee weapon too
void dragon
Personally I'll still be running helbore despite the infantry las buffs
Mk5 Helbore still the superior infantry Lasgun
abstract moth
We still need a lmg gun as a veteran, imagine they could do like the veteran goes crazy when he keeps shooting without end that'd be fun
crude wind
paper fable
how is power falchion doing this patch?
distant mural
Lmao so they still haven't nerfed them? Noice
No they buffed it
vernal quest
I will never be emotionally separated from my plasma gun
hollow ibex
how is power falchion doing this patch?
lets just say the buff didn't address any of the issues the weapon has
in typical fatshart manner
paper fable
amazing
last marten
how is power falchion doing this patch?
they upped it's initial light stack damage which doesn't help it
attack
void dragon
https://tenor.com/view/meme-pikachu-pokemon-shocked-gif-16985133
Is not only not surprising but true
heavy rover
Mk5 Helbore still the superior infantry Lasgun <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Mk 5 helbore with weight of fire becomes the superior recon las
void dragon
Mk 5 helbore with weight of fire becomes the superior recon las <:KEKW_ogryn:102...
Nah the recon fire rate makes stacking fire a breeze while not being slow for mobility
faint beacon
pseudo fiber
and then the game says we failed
Da cancer got you
warm gulch
The changes
deep bone
Is the servers up?
mighty python
Already running those
willow prairie
how the ilas change
errant carbon
how the ilas change
They buffed its ammo from Infinity to Infinity +20% (or Infinity +80% with Efficiency blessing). No improvement to Flak ADMs, no change to wacky inverse damage falloff. I'm not hopeful
steep flower
They buffed its ammo from Infinity to Infinity +20% (or Infinity +80% with Effic...
Yeah
Helbore
tame lodge
Fatshark buffed dclaw so many times that when they actually buff flak , the game will implode
midnight galleon
whas dclaw?
tall torrent
how the ilas change
Better than before
Not rly a top tier gun tho
frozen dock
What's our ideal gun for elite killer/left side build?
cloud pendant
anyone figure out how the cleave node works with lasguns yet?
like i tihnk it works with recon but i can legit not tell
\it oculd be that im going through or just missing my first target, you nkow?
spice osprey
oh my god DB shout build is so good on expeditions
tall torrent
anyone figure out how the cleave node works with lasguns yet?
It’s good for weapons with >2 base cleave
tame lodge
anyone figure out how the cleave node works with lasguns yet?
Recon XIV 3 cleave
Helbores 3 cleave
Infantry Las sub 2
cloud pendant
ok, can confirm, it does do something, definitely against hordes and less armor on auric diff
tame lodge
Infantry Las sub 2
Aka 1.5
cloud pendant
in particular if youre running rending and britlle and burn on crushers and maulkers it will appear to apply at least a stack beyond first target
interesting
especailly interesting that it doesnt work on inf las , but of course it wouldnt lol
oh thats funny, leaving psykhaneum activates all the mobs to attack you rn
tame lodge
in particular if youre running rending and britlle and burn on crushers and mau...
What
None of the lasweapons have enough cleave to pass maulers and crushers
cloud pendant
rending node, onsluaght, burn crits on inf ammo lasgun with enhanced weakspot damage is proccing it, dont know what to tell you
probably a bug
i do have the+10 strength on weakspot hits and cleave nodes and used this with shout
errant carbon
stance or shout?
mark
turbid ibex
stance or shout?
Both work
tight cave
is it too much skillpoints in one segment? Should i get rid of some of them?
turbid ibex
is it too much skillpoints in one segment? Should i get rid of some of them?
Get rid of cleave and opening salvo
tight cave
crits from reload is kind of useless i think
turbid ibex
And get iron will
turbid ibex
Not taking iron will is a massive L
tight cave
Get rid of cleave and opening salvo
i dont need more cleave becuase plasma already has best cleave?
turbid ibex
Because you have better stuff to put that point in than cleave on plasma gun
tight cave
Because you have better stuff to put that point in than cleave on plasma gun
okay, thx
now it is okay i guess
tall torrent
is it too much skillpoints in one segment? Should i get rid of some of them?
Always take iron will
Get rid of opening salvo
Choose between cleave and field improv
tight cave
what about this section?
i think its viable personally
but i dont know much about perks, there may be better way to arrange skill tree
turbid ibex
Might be worth dropping the right toughness regen and/or longshot
tight cave
i guess, i could get extra ammo if i drop 2 of them
i am lvl 24 vet so i need to compriomise
tall torrent
what about this section?
U normally only want 3 points here
Longshot and out for blood are good but not necessary
Case dependent
tight cave
i guess i cant do any better with this now, have no skill points left. lvl 24 for clarification
or for plasma i should go for sniper concentration?
hollow panther
I think running focus target on most builds is fine, even with plasma because giving your team extra damage on bosses or crusher spam is always nice
turbid ibex
i guess i cant do any better with this now, have no skill points left. lvl 24 fo...
Take toughness instead of competitive urge or whichever that one is called
hollow panther
The marksman focus keystone is good but i think focus target is better in most cases
tall torrent
i guess i cant do any better with this now, have no skill points left. lvl 24 fo...
Ur missing a lot of damage by not going bottom right
orchid hemlock
The marksman focus keystone is good but i think focus target is better in most c...
No, Weapon Specialist
tall torrent
lol
orchid hemlock
WS by far is the best keystone
tight cave
i see many crit here, okay i get it now
i guess for my recon build i should also go for this tree
hollow panther
I can see that, guaranteed ranged crits and good melee buffs is nice
tall torrent
that many?
15% melee damage
Skirmisher 25% global
Exploit weakness 20% global
Agile engagement 25% melee/ranged
Desperado 25% melee finesse, 10% melee crit chance
Reciprocity 25% crit chance
tall torrent
Drop the ammo
tight cave
and for recon i should move to the bottom right crits as well?
tight cave
Drop the ammo
did
orchid hemlock
and for recon i should move to the bottom right crits as well?
No, MF is by far the worst keystone for Recon
Recon has bad finesse modifiers
tight cave
No, MF is by far the worst keystone for Recon
so i should keep sniper?
orchid hemlock
Sniper?
turbid ibex
Left keystone recon is shit
cloud pendant
i go no keystone for recon
turbid ibex
Dont
orchid hemlock
Nope that's outdated
cloud pendant
vet is only class that can be viable without, and it still is
orchid hemlock
Keystone is much easier to get now with new tree
turbid ibex
vet is only class that can be viable without, and it still is
No lmao
orchid hemlock
vet is only class that can be viable without, and it still is
This is a take from one year ago
cloud pendant
tell it to my h40 run yesterday
orchid hemlock
At the very least just take WS just because it's busted for melee
turbid ibex
There is legit 0 reason to not take a keystone
tight cave
so what is best keystone for recon
turbid ibex
so what is best keystone for recon
Either of the other two work
orchid hemlock
tell it to my h40 run yesterday
I've done havoc 40s with no Psyker/Scum/Vet
So take that 😈
Gotem
cloud pendant
ive done h40's with my brother
and hes a fuckin dipshit
so you play with him now and ill go veteran no perks
probably be easier lol
is it peak meta?
no.
orchid hemlock
Sorry, opinion invalid cus I'm the "better" player
turbid ibex
What kind of setup are you even running where you cant spare a single point for keystone
cloud pendant
but you cna make some really fun no keystone builds that are h40 viable was my point.
ill post it
its gonna get roasted but its really fun
cloud pendant
hmm, doesnt want to let me post iscreenies
turbid ibex
Grey name
cloud pendant
do i need to get apporval from mods or something
tame lodge
Since there's no better player than me
I can confidently say that
cloud pendant
yeah, what a pain in the ass
tame lodge
Get a keystone
cloud pendant
oh well
tame lodge
orchid hemlock
Since there's no better player than me
I can confidently say that
Did you run Havoc 40 solo?????
orchid hemlock
Holy what a beast 
cloud pendant
but have you considered this footage of egoist higui sleeping with a rannick body pillow
turbid ibex
but have you considered this footage of egoist higui sleeping with a rannick bod...
Based???
tame lodge
cloud pendant
no the scandal is that he only has one rannick body pillow
orchid hemlock
With both arms tied
Wooooah you used your toes?
tame lodge
With 10 hours of loud Soviet Russian anthem
Playing on my left ear
And the entire bible in Japanese
On my right ear
tame lodge
they have the same bpm
Ok that's funny
cloud pendant
so i only recently added the cleave and the getting folks up shout ability to try em out, but i usually run bring it down and superiority ocmplex instead
its fun
turbid ibex
This build is dogass
tough nova
No keystone worked maybe 1 1/2 2 years ago for a grenade build
cloud pendant
i mena, if it gets me to the end of h40
hollow panther
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a152d7b9-26c5-4ef7-babf-bcc35ee23f39/no...
I respect the born leader pick
cloud pendant
then it works dont it?
tough nova
then it works dont it?
Yessir!
turbid ibex
i mena, if it gets me to the end of h40
Either you are getting hard carried or you are unbelievably cracked out of your mind if youre pulling h40s with this
turbid ibex
Genuinely fucking how
cloud pendant
nah bullshit aside, im def getting carried, im getting carried with meta builds too
but its fun through auric maelstroims and thats what i tend to play
i think im contributing to h40s but i know i aint clutching shit
turbid ibex
Tinkererless kraks, no skirmisher or exploit weakness, no superiority, no bring it down, taking onslaught for some reason
cloud pendant
onslaught is good for support, ime
turbid ibex
Opening salvo, the ranged cleave node, exhilarating takedown over confirmed kill
turbid ibex
onslaught is good for support, ime
Not really because it only does something if youre shooting crushers
Which is not something you should do with the vast majority of guns in the game
cloud pendant
i mena, its 8 shots to build 10% brittleness and some burn, switch to shovel, poke pushattack into heavy and that's 3/4 life gone
spray a few rounds into heads and your krak doesnt need the boost
turbid ibex
You could also just throw a krak to immediately kill them
cloud pendant
opens up the node
agreed, but this isnt meant to be meta
its meant to be fun and shoot a lot, provide support and give a hand
i'll admit im confused tho
tribal tangle
So how is not Chaos Wastes
cloud pendant
i get youre saying is hould run tinkerer, and on my non lasgun focused builds i always run skirmisher and exploit weakness
turbid ibex
i get youre saying is hould run tinkerer, and on my non lasgun focused builds i...
You should still run those
Youre missing out on a lot of damage by not taking them
cloud pendant
then how am i supposed to do that and get to a keystone
while getting to inf ammo lasguns
turbid ibex
By getting rid of the dogshit nodes you also took
charred halo
is this worth having
broken reef
cloud pendant
By getting rid of the dogshit nodes you also took
like?
broken reef
deadshot time
cloud pendant
so you have played with these new nodes?
turbid ibex
Shout revive technically got buffed but i still dont think its worth the point, ranged cleave will maybe let you hit an extra fodder enemy sometimes but you shouldnt be shooting at hordes with recon anyways,
Marksman just doesnt have enough uptime and opening salvo is still opening salvo
cloud pendant
opening salvo usually regenerates around 5-6 extra magazines if no one is running crit chance aura over the course of a havoc game
thats the only reason i run it
im messing with cleave rn to try it out, same with revive
but i find that while marksman pairs well with rending and onslaught, unless im misreading ow that works
its also nice to get some damage boost on shout
turbid ibex
opening salvo usually regenerates around 5-6 extra magazines if no one is runnin...
Its only 10% crit on the first 20% ammo
Its way too little of a boost
This is prob what i'd run for recon
cloud pendant
that plus the crit chance on the weapon and crit boost from headhunter frequently means ive got starting crit chance up to 25% on ranged hits, which means on headshots its critting way more often over the course of the match
thats all
ill look this over
i tend to skip non manditory touhness nodes and focus on avoidance
candid agate
new update brought back all the idiots it seems
tons of people who wont stick with the group and die alone
turbid ibex
that plus the crit chance on the weapon and crit boost from headhunter frequentl...
The issue is youre sacrificing a lot of your damage output for for this
cloud pendant
the rending node is covering a lot of damage output on rapid firing weapons
turbid ibex
You also should replace headhunter for dumdum on recon
cloud pendant
i know folks dont like it but its strong as shit
i dont fire it up close much
melee
turbid ibex
Close range is 12.5m
nova carbon
For those who don't have the long bomb penance - you can use the mortar nade in expeditions to get it almost instantly by throwing it at the floor
cloud pendant
id probably replace burn first
turbid ibex
id probably replace burn first
Dont
nova carbon
For those who don't have the long bomb penance - you can use the mortar nade in ...
Might be good for the 40 kills while stunned on zealot
Aparently the mortar ones count as nades for pennances
So it might work on most nade pennances
Have to test it tho
turbid ibex
Theres really not much of a point in running headhunter over dumdum or infernus
cloud pendant
ammo is basically it
turbid ibex
And you lose out on a significant amount of damage
cloud pendant
id really need to run a few matches and compare
i know im missing on steady damage, but the 10% rending, brittleness and crit damage im pretty sure works out to more than 30% and doesnt have a range limit
cloud pendant
thats true, but it adds up quickly, particularly against carapace and unyielding, ime
i'll work on the math in excel and see
turbid ibex
You really shouldnt be shooting carapace anyways
cloud pendant
im only shooting it while i am out of range to hit it with melee
cloud pendant
yup. flexibility of options in engagement, debuffs on targeted enemies we focus on as a team, weakening bosses, evading weapon weakness limitations
with recon mark xii i can splashout a lot of debuff on enemies very quickly
expending little or no ammo in the process
somber axle
But you'd probably save more ammo on your Recon going Dum Dum + Infernus or Dum Dum + Deathspitter for faster TTK
I like Dum Dum + Deathspitter on the XIV
cloud pendant
i'll give it a shot, but last time i ran dumdum i found i had much lower damage for the match
buyt about the same kils
so i dont know how that one worked ouit
somber axle
Dum Dum + Infernus on the other two
hollow ibex
i'll give it a shot, but last time i ran dumdum i found i had much lower damage...
It’s not because of dumdum
Dumdum is stupidly strong
cloud pendant
i mean it was the only change, but i getcha
hollow ibex
i mean it was the only change, but i getcha
Well no. There are an infinite number of factors that could impact your damage between two matches
Which is why controlled testing is important
cloud pendant
i think of it as with this set up after 12 weakspot hits ive spent 5-7 rounds of ammo and my enemy is half as tough and at max burn stacks
fair, but i mean i looked at it over 10 games, not h40 admittedly
10 with dumdum and infernus and 10 with headhunter and infernus
hollow ibex
10 isn’t a material sample size
cloud pendant
fair, but this isnt my job and im not gonna have time for much more
tough nova
Play 1000 games and get back to us
hollow ibex
No amount of games will compensate for infinite factors impacting your damage output
Simply do a controlled testing in psyk
For something like this
cloud pendant
Play 1000 games and get back to us
im trying it righjt now
specifically on plasma heavy gunners and both ragers
cloud pendant
Simply do a controlled testing in psyk
that was menat for you i mean
the testing it
so far
red robin
Any new science for ranged cleave talent?
primal bramble
trying infantry lasgun for the first real time which version do you guys like best
red robin
Blue one is carpal tunnel simulator
But instant sprint to ads and ads movement speed is neat on it
hollow ibex
any secret methods i should be aware of, im used to recon
Aim for head
Unironically
It matters way more than on recon
tall torrent
Any new science for ranged cleave talent?
Good for revolver, helbore, boltgun IIb, combat shotgun, recon XIV
primal bramble
igy i see headhunter recommended on it so ill try to aim better
turbid ibex
Use infernus and dumdum instead
hollow ibex
I think he’s talking about Ilas
primal bramble
yea infantry lasgun
primal bramble
flak and maniac?
frigid rover
my favorite lasgun is the little one i can fire with one hand
red robin
my favorite lasgun is the little one i can fire with one hand
Las pistol my beloved
primal bramble
hmm i do like IIb mobility
red robin
I wonder how the hitscan change feels on the infantry las
Apparently there’s like no recoil
frigid rover
thank fuck for autofire mod though
red robin
^
frigid rover
never going back
cloud pendant
some averages: with my build, 7 rounds spent to kill a dreg rager, 9 for scab, 3 spent for scab or dreg shotgunner, 5 for hound, 1-2 for sniper, 1-3 for trapper and either bomber, 3 for scab gunner, 2 for dreg gunner, 10 for mauler, 9 for plasma gunner, 15- 24 for crusher with on melee or krak, 9-15 on reaper, 111-15 on bulwark. more shot, but thats the cost, plus 12 ammo back per kill, which i didnt include
red robin
some averages: with my build, 7 rounds spent to kill a dreg rager, 9 for scab, ...
How does that look with headshot/crits with deadly accurate?
Oh I’m stupid
Didn’t read up that you was demo’ing infernus and dum dum
primal bramble
thank fuck for autofire mod though
console players in QoL hell
cloud pendant
for this test
red robin
I’m sad to see no devils claw changes
But like, I’m holding out on hope that there’s a future blessing rework that has devils claw getting nutty blessings
red robin
Yeah
willow prairie
devilsclw parry is worth a lot of mediocre crap imo
nah
red robin
Claw sword hamstringed from abysmal flak adm
dry cloak
and shitty blessing pool
red robin
And fishing for perfect parries is anti-mechanics for darktides combat flow of avoiding dmg
“Just dodge”
Would be fun if they added precognition but for perfect parries
60% finesse to nuke everything with wasted dmg from overkill
Hivescum might go off with that tho
regal kindle
does anyone know if shredder frag grenade can get the long bomb penance / trophy?? all i can find is that Krek definitely doesn't count
regal kindle
I got it recently with the modified grenade in Expeditions
the shredder?? its the only
one that says "this is an augmented frag grenade"
or do i have to go in a game with like 10 skill points and default grenade 💀
gilded knoll
You can get it with the shredder
regal kindle
tyvm
tough nova
But like, I’m holding out on hope that there’s a future blessing rework that has...
I feel like devils claw is in a weird place similar to heavy sword. They are great into everything but big stuff but if you give them too much str against them they become universal weapons.
tough nova
I think the heavy sword changes are pretty clever
tame lodge
You're not saying that dclaw is great into everything are you?
red robin
I still think it needs help
red robin
Having underperforming weapons in a game where build diversity and rewarding combat mechanics is a lackluster feeling
tough nova
A single dreg Bruiser kills it
Where are you aiming brother
red robin
Claw sword has very bad flak adm
It suffers mostly if not entirely just from that one hamstring
Carapace dmg is entirely a whole different case
tough nova
I mean the carapace is more limiting imo.
errant carbon
It's like Fatshark wants armor types to matter beyond just "Carapace Yes or Carapace No" but they will only apply this logic to 3 or 4 weapons
lofty abyss
Which Helbore should I use, mk3a or mk 4
tough nova
Never had an issue with it against anything other than the big guise.
tame lodge
Imagine losing over 50% of your damage on your strongest heavy because it has poor flak adms
💀
tough nova
Fortunately it has some of the best finesse scaling
dry cloak
Which Helbore should I use, mk3a or mk 4
Either one of the 3
red robin
Fortunately it has some of the best finesse scaling
Claw just needs better flak adm and better blessing pool, it’s underwhelming yet fun in my eyes
tame lodge
Fortunately it has some of the best finesse scaling
And still loses to a dreg Bruiser
💀
red robin
God forbid a guy wishes to enjoy a niche weapon even moreso
tough nova
Claw just needs better flak adm and better blessing pool, it’s underwhelming yet...
Yea the blessings are pretty meh. I have been enjoying skullcrusher lately only ever took rampage shred.
Most weapons blessings are 75% dogshit anyway
tough nova
And still loses to a dreg Bruiser
Maybe its you
red robin
Yea the blessings are pretty meh. I have been enjoying skullcrusher lately only...
Skullcrusher do be neat, but the insufficient stagger for breakpoint on perfect parry for crushers kinda makes me go bald
tame lodge
Maybe its you
Son 
I have better flak damage than claw
red robin
Maybe its you
Brother it is literally the claw falling short
dry cloak
tame lodge
I could punch metal and deal more damage than claw
red robin
Reminder that revolver punch has more dmg than claw light against flak
tough nova
Veteran is probably the worst class for it
red robin
Zealot and hivescum are poor comparison cases, as they are million instances of melee dmg boosts
Not saying vet isn’t strong with melee oriented builds
orchid hemlock
Since vet is easily top 2 class
Top 6
tough nova
That says a lot about claw
The other trees have more to offer it for arp and finesse
tame lodge
Vet casually having +finesse and +melee on the tree
red robin
Bro willing to die on a hill that keeps claw enjoyers down in the dirt
Being right ain’t that important mang
tough nova
Im not saying it's meta or even top tier
still dove
i feel like my recon lasgun build will work great with the new gamemode
tough nova
Just not as bad as its made out to be
hot whale
Hey guys is power falchion even like good? I wanna use it for my commissar build but idk
What would y’all run on it?
red robin
Looks good to me
Idk tho, I haven’t demo’d falchion enough to determine how it feels yet
tough nova
Vet casually having +finesse and +melee on the tree
Doesn't have scriers/DD nor rampage/fury
still dove
i like it more than psword
red robin
Doesn't have scriers/DD nor rampage/fury
Right side of vet tree more than enough to match up to those in terms of versatile power
tough nova
Agree to disagree
orchid hemlock
Hey woah woah now
Let's not compare Vet with Psyker shall we
Gotta come back to reality for this one
still dove
psyker is trash
tough nova
Or scum for that matter
still dove
my expeditions build
tame lodge
Doesn't have scriers/DD nor rampage/fury
2 of these have rending which would you look at that solves flak issues
Because dclaw flak damage is trash
red robin
That’s the main issue, with lackluster blessing pool being another problem I have gripes with
Rampage and shred being best in slot with skullcrusher being an alternative option for claw has me yearning for more options
In terms of fun in my case
More fun and enjoyment doesn’t sound like stuff to be against
tame lodge
Gimme 3 hours and I can probably join in as well if needed
Actually I have to download the update and the way game pass Xbox bullshit goes about
Not happening today
Disregard whatever I said
orchid hemlock
<@717361443564945468> wanna expedition
I'll be on in about 3 hours
lime pendant
Why are all of the unoptimized weapons the most fun? Like shovel and combat shotgun or double barrel shotgun? Like yeah I won't do fantastic in aurics or damnations, but holy shit they so much fun. Or the shredder pistol?
turbid ibex
double barrel is cracked lmao
narrow frost
Why are all of the unoptimized weapons the most fun? Like shovel and combat shot...
Nothing is unoptimized
mystic pilot
@tall torrent what would be the timetable on updating the guide after today's patch?
spice osprey
does anybody have a good infantry lasgun build?
serene bough
Why are all of the unoptimized weapons the most fun? Like shovel and combat shot...
Id argue having to choose weapons with notable downsides means you need to adapt to game changes more meaningfully which makes them fun
Change how you play with certain threats, bring a load out to offset weaknesses, etc.
lime pendant
Nothing is unoptimized
Overlord fan spotted
I mean y’all are right, but you understand the sentiment behind the statement I think.
narrow frost
Weapons have different strength that can be increased by playstyle or build
It just comes down to figuring how how too achieve that
People call Dclaw weak but the same people I see saying that struggle against groups of dreg ragers
Which is what claw would destroy
tame lodge
I mean y’all are right, but you understand the sentiment behind the statement I ...
I understand
Specially since shovel is mid
Hahaha
Dclaw not beating the gimme fuel gimme fire gimme Ragers or I'll retire allegations
hybrid plover
Why are all of the unoptimized weapons the most fun? Like shovel and combat shot...
Every weapon you named can be used to immense benefit
Shovel double barrel WS is legitimately one of the most potent builds in the entire game
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> what would be the timetable on updating the guide after to...
I don't have one
because I'm playing expeditions
tame lodge
Based
manic bramble
Daaaamn
Finally getting more use out of long range precision builds
Love this new game mode
sullen scarab
Rashad needs Rending Strikes still for crushers, right? Just messing around with my builds again after not playing in a while lol.
pseudo fiber
I don't have one
I've been trying the 2b and the xii lasguns in expeditions and I'm having a way more fun time with the xii. Obviously not reflective of best of the best but idk its working well
polar hazel
rate drip
cyan verge
why tf are they smothering the plasma in the crib are they on hive stimms?
wtf are they doing?
like what is this
shadow wing
They made secondary actually have a point
pseudo fiber
I've been trying the 2b and the xii lasguns in expeditions and I'm having a way ...
Mandatory scoreboard
cyan verge
no but the timescale dude they're making it 15% slower to come out wtf wtf wtf
mystic pilot
Which remains nothing
use less ammo and actually explode which you cant say for primary fire.
tame lodge
Still no real use to charge it
Also currently testing plasma draw time
Yeah
Kinda feel it
Kinda
It's not instant but you can still buffer the attack
Ok I gotta readjust muscle memory
So yeah
Something happened
cyan verge
WTF they nerfed VOC? wtf are they doing nerfing vet for like the one thing it can do while classes like ogryn and arbitrator got BUFFS?
cyan verge
right right right those classes were REALLY struggling
tame lodge
Yeah Gunlugger buffs
cyan verge
of course
tame lodge
Still not good
#buffGunlugger
And Arbites is mid so maybe they made it not mid anymore
And Gunlugger still not good btw
#buffGunlugger
dreamy spade
Yeah Fatshark has this thing where they only control buffs on ogryn
Look at the buff on rocket, compared to ogryn buffs lol
turbid ibex
Also vet is still incredibly strong
Shout is still pretty strong and you also have exestance
Oh and infiltrate got buffed a bit
hybrid plover
like what is this
A nerf that was a long ways coming.
dreamy spade
Vets just here's +100% damage for existing
hybrid plover
And honestly its still really strong
dreamy spade
Ogryn is, +1.2% damage when you fart on a tuesday
dreamy spade
Solution: add manstopper to ripper and twinks and PBB is 100% ammo replenished
tame lodge
I like how it went from "Gunlugger is just PBB" to "Gunlugger is just PBB"
Truly my heavy weapons power fantasy
spice osprey
infantry lasgun is super awesome on expeditions
narrow torrent
Yay +50% cleave is quite noticeable on recon las 
Goes through a decent number of the specialists
last pewter
so, how are the infantry lasguns feeling for exe stance now?
jaunty tinsel
Yay +50% cleave is quite noticeable on recon las <a:ratJAM:816375813028839424>
how does ranged cleave actually work?
tall torrent
so, how are the infantry lasguns feeling for exe stance now?
mid tier at best
should have gotten flak ADM buff
narrow torrent
how does ranged cleave actually work?
Different enemies have different mass that matches up to a guns cleave stat. Like recon las traditionally has 1.5 cleave which doesn’t really go through anything. With 2.25 cleave it’ll pierce various enemies and hit the dudes behind them
So with the range cleave node it can now clear trash even better, and also potentially deal with various packs of specialists/gunners faster with less ammo. Depending on how they’re lined up of course.
sullen scarab
Is ILAS IX still like Flak/Maniac, HH/DA?
narrow torrent
You also won’t get body blocked as much when trying to pick off anything troublesome in a pack depending on what’s doing the body blocking
tall torrent
Is ILAS IX still like Flak/Maniac, HH/DA?
HH+ghost/DA
last pewter
mid tier at best
darn, was really hoping to pick up some different guns for my exe stance vet
normally I run Helbore and sometimes Plasma and I just want some variety
also I got the Cadian Shock Troop set and wanna find smth that fits
tall torrent
darn, was really hoping to pick up some different guns for my exe stance vet
nor...
if their objective was to make this gun good
they failed, as per usual
if their objective was to make this gun better than before
that's certainly happened
tame lodge
Put the Vigi in the bag
last pewter
actually I've never played with Vigis
way back when, when the game released, I was still a stickler for burst-fire guns, my opinion on them has definitely laxed
crisp wraith
Best thing about the new expedition mode is the wider open spaces, ‘cause now my helbore lasgun feels right at home, one shotting almost any ranged opponent that dares exist in my sight line
smoky lintel
if their objective was to make this gun good
they failed, as per usual
Better than helldivers at least
ancient path
my game keeps fuckin crashin 😭
tall torrent
my game keeps fuckin crashin 😭
Could be mods
ancient path
i dont have it them installed
maybe ill just remove it all but i havent ran the installer
i get in game but then it crashes in like 2 minutes
craggy relic
yo would the 50% ranged cleave be good for boltor?
still dove
would helbore work good on expeditons?
still dove
i get in game but then it crashes in like 2 minutes
purge the mods
craggy relic
I feel like it'd be good, but it feels Im wasting a talent point
crisp wraith
would helbore work good on expeditons?
I’m using it, and I’d say so, but I’d use it anyway since I’m a marksman lover so… take it with a bit of salt
still dove
I’m using it, and I’d say so, but I’d use it anyway since I’m a marksman lover s...
ok bet i love sniping
crisp wraith
It is what excited me most about the expedition reveal, I saw outdoor landscape and my sniper senses kicked in
frigid kite
WTF they nerfed VOC? wtf are they doing nerfing vet for like the one thing it ca...
how's it nerfed? the res node doesn't hurt radius anymore, or extend cd
crisp wraith
Didn’t they also buff the duration or strength of the increase in cool-down recovery on elite kill or something?
Either way. The revival node no longer shortens its distance or increases its cool-down, which I love, always wanted to use that more but felt the spam-ability was more worthwhile
ancient path
purge the mods
yeah i got rid of them completely
and now im ok
also lasguns feel gooood
craggy relic
Yea- Im not familiar with cleave values to know if its good lol
Ik 3 is apparently high
turbid ibex
Didn’t they also buff the duration or strength of the increase in cool-down reco...
tactical awareness is unchanged if thats what youre talking about
crisp wraith
Okay, I just saw a few duration increases in the patch notes for vet, and I can’t really remember every single node of every class, not even my main
turbid ibex
pretty sure the only changes vet got were the ability tweaks and get back in the fight being replaced with the ranged cleave node
otherwise completely unchanged
hollow ibex
Okay, I just saw a few duration increases in the patch notes for vet, and I can’...
Those were for ES
turbid ibex
also infiltrate damage buff
exestance lasts for 1 second longer and infiltrate damage buff lasts for 8 seconds instead of 5
crisp wraith
Ah, that makes more sense, I just assumed the cooldown speed buff got buffed ‘cause VoC still felt as spammable as before if not more
livid sphinx
WTF so if your character is down and didnt get to extract, you just wasted 30 minutes of your life???
Like you dont get anything even though the whole team was able to extract
except you
turbid ibex
im pretty sure you still get stuff
livid sphinx
I just finished a very tough game where I died at the last minute but my team was able to extract. My progress towards the next hub is stil the same
tight cave
so what is best keystone for plasma?
turbid ibex
weapon specialist prob
tight cave
weapon specialist prob
uhuh
tight cave
weapon specialist prob
damn dude, its been 7 hours and you are still in this chat?
turbid ibex
i am on all the chats
tight cave
i mean do you even sleep?
mighty python
First time facing the new boss. This knife build I've recently started running is nuts
livid sphinx
Okay reapers are so good in this mode. They should be renamed rapers because they just bend over everyone without consent
tame lodge
is the cleave talent good for helbore?
Yeah
3 cleave base
4.5 with the ranged cleave node
9 cleave with hotshot blessing
spice osprey
Okay reapers are so good in this mode. They should be renamed rapers because the...
normal person: wow the reapers are pretty tough in this gamemode
calm shard
north flint
its been years since i played vet, probably my least played class. anyone got a fun build i can try thats good for auric+event/havoc/auric-expedition, and not using the Plasma? that guns is 😴
distant plaza
double barreled shotgun weapon specialist with a melee of your choice
spice osprey
its been years since i played vet, probably my least played class. anyone got a ...
mkVII infantry las with DA/HH
pseudo fiber
double barreled shotgun weapon specialist with a melee of your choice
the melee of your choice being either mk1 shovel or knife tho
mighty python
Much better than the one I got yesterday 🥀
final locust
new update out?
mighty python
new update out?
Yes
mighty python
any cool weapons or outfits?
No new weapons but every class got new shop and penance cosmetics
Lots of desert themed stuff
There's new grenades in expeditions
final locust
nice
calm shard
man
final locust
how are you so tall dude
heavy rover
its been years since i played vet, probably my least played class. anyone got a ...
here's my build that I run, it's quite flexible so feel free to make changes as you see fit https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc
like I even have an alternate version that runs with Desperado and tac axe
pastel knoll
hey gamers, what are some fun/good melee weapons to pair with infantry lasgun?
pastel knoll
what is rashad?
heavy rover
combat axe
pastel knoll
ty, think Ill try te falch
heavy rover
Voice of Command cooldown nerf does take some getting used to, but it's nice that the revive shout comes in clutch
fervent hemlock
Voice of Command cooldown nerf does take some getting used to, but it's nice tha...
I feel like making revive shout into a 'i can't spam this now in case I need it' button defeats the purpose
tall torrent
Finished the event
fervent hemlock
that was the reason why it had a radius nerf and cooldown increase
calm shard
astonished that ilas got more ammo as its buff
fervent hemlock
astonished that ilas got **more ammo** as its buff
it did feel like it had a substantially low pool given that it has only 1/2 of it's actual ammo
tame lodge
hows everyone's balls feeling after the kick from fatshark
Pretty good
Wish Fatshark would kick it harder
fervent hemlock
fr
spice osprey
after playing the other classes... is it me or does veteran's blitzes feel pretty underwhelming?
thin stone
@tall torrent is the Helbore build in the guide good for the new gamemode?
calm shard
well infantry lasgun buffs have not changed my opinion on it much
still a big ol' "why would I use this over the laspistol again?" from me dog
north flint
here's my build that I run, it's quite flexible so feel free to make changes as ...
nice its very similar to what i was trying to do. except i was using dagger and ES but i think this is better
im supposed to always full-charge the helbore right? otherwise its crap
serene bough
How do we like the new game mode
calm shard
If you use MkV fuck it why not full charge not like it takes much time anyways
mighty python
How do we like the new game mode
Very fun!
calm shard
IIIa and IV have a bit more nuance
calm shard
How do we like the new game mode
I just had a Combine and Dorn in the same lobby both playing hive scum and my slow ass exe vet just slowly walking behind
Maps are open enough that even with them running way ahead of me I could just shoot specialists from the other side of the world
So that's cool
somber axle
Mk IX Infantry Lasgun has been fun for Expeditions
it's still not worth using it to shoot at flak ragers or maulers but that's fine for how quickly it sweeps all the specials/elites not covered in armour
also genuinely feels like it doesn't need Fully Loaded or Shock Trooper even without Efficiency tbh
so potentially solid for saving ammo
and talent points
serene bough
I havent used IX yet only IIb
mighty python
shame the horde is **ALL FUCKING BULWARKS**
Can't bring myself to part with kraks for this reason
somber axle
I haven't even been running the new Efficiency blessing tbh
just HH/DA
also the wide open spaces make the reverse damage falloff feel like it barely exists
calm shard
I haven't even been running the new Efficiency blessing tbh
well yeah what's the point the thing has borderline infinite ammo before you even account for shock trooper
somber axle
Helbores are definitely still better for taking care of any and all threats but the new Infantry Lasgun feels very cozy and low investment to shine
also idk if its placebo or what but it does feel like that change to how the lasguns detect headshots makes it feel a lot simplier to land consistent headshots spamming at a group of shotgunners
also I was kinda surprised at how non-threatening the new armoured dogs and the new Ogryn packmaster boss were
they both seemed pretty easy to deal with
calm shard
ogryn packmaster animations *SUCK
serene bough
I hadn't had the chance to really fight one in isolation
calm shard
why does he move like that
serene bough
I chucked those rocket heads at it and it died swiftly after
somber axle
I got the chance to sorta duel one when the rest of my group was tied up with hordes and specials, and they're really slow and predictable
I haven't seen what they do to the Arbites cyberdog yet so at least there's one last surprise to find out next time I play Arby
calm shard
oh also Mk XIV recon lasgun with the new ranged cleave talent is very funny
1000 degree knife through poxwalkers
serene bough
Whats the cleave on that gun normally
calm shard
or maybe it just already did that I'm not actually sure
tame lodge
Whats the cleave on that gun normally
3 on the XIV
serene bough
Pox walker weed whacker
somber axle
could also throw in Marksman for the +20% strength and use Deathspitter on it instead of Infernus for a little more strength
burn through the horde to kill a particular elite/special hiding behind them
north flint
here's my build that I run, it's quite flexible so feel free to make changes as ...
the build works... i just took it into QP, everyone was a backliner so i ended up getting double the kills by just mostly swinging the power sword lol
its probably nicer when theres 1 or 2 front liners though
helbore is cool but its a sunny day type of weapon
i usually liek rainy day builds for when shit hits the fan
mighty python
why does he move like that
They look fine to me
north flint
vet feels squishier even than psyker thats impressive
dry cloak
Make psyker have 50 toughness
soft solstice
Outside of the really obvious guns like the revolver and plasma gun, which ones really see any benefit from the extra cleave node?
narrow frost
Wait how does plasma benefit from the cleave
soft solstice
The uncharged hits doesn’t have infinite cleave now, I think around 20 or so so a 50% increase would be noticeable
soft solstice
I always liked using the charged shots more anyway
last marten
veterans are gonna remember their gun explodes
drowsy perch
i love th ranged cleave perk
the revolver did NOT need 50% more cleave but by god is it even better
drowsy perch
Outside of the really obvious guns like the revolver and plasma gun, which ones ...
shotguns like ranged cleave
i havent tested the perk on shotty but i imagine its good
db might be really good for it
soft solstice
I just feel like I wouldn’t notice too much of a difference on guns like the shotgun which already has good cleave, and that it wouldn’t be enough for some weapons
drowsy perch
I just feel like I wouldn’t notice too much of a difference on guns like the sho...
it might not matter in the end but it does defintely make it feel different
like, extra cleave on dclaw is not needed
but boy does it feel so much smoother
soft solstice
I did notice some cleaving on the las rifle but it varied sometimes, like I was able to get a cleaving headshot on a scav stalker but not a dreg bruiser
void dragon
You know what manstopper does
but taking both would be overkill, right?
drowsy perch
"noo you're doing overkill you're wasting perks"
haha heretic go red mist
dry cloak
but taking both would be overkill, right?
Manstopper would simply override the first node. Especially if you go for only crits
drowsy perch
yeah i dont think cleave would work particularly well with it
well
hmmm
i think initially it would but then it wouldnt be as good
once you run out of enemies it stops doing as much
void dragon
Manstopper would simply override the first node. Especially if you go for only c...
yeah but the question would go as "is better to keep manstopper or take this node and take no respite?"
drowsy perch
more cleave = less enemy usually
dry cloak
Also which node we are talking avout so i can find it
drowsy perch
yeah but the question would go as "is better to keep manstopper or take this nod...
imo the node would be better since its a passive +50 rather than based on hitting enemies/crit
manstopper can be very inconsistent
mainly when you arent shooting hordes
drowsy perch
Also which node we are talking avout so i can find it
withering fire i think its called
dry cloak
yeah but the question would go as "is better to keep manstopper or take this nod...
Depends on gun
Imo
void dragon
Depends on gun
agri combat shotgun
drowsy perch
drowsy perch
manstopper doesnt even say how much cleave it gives
dry cloak
Then yes the node is fire
drowsy perch
if ur crit build agri manstopper is usually whats taken
dry cloak
manstopper doesnt even say how much cleave it gives
Manstopper is infinite
drowsy perch
if ur not crit build yea manstopper wouldnt be worth
drowsy perch
if ur not crit build yea manstopper wouldnt be worth
and what i meant by manstopper being inconsistent is that youd probably be running scattershot with it
dry cloak
However if you are going with db this node is not needed
drowsy perch
its not like itd be bad
dry cloak
Because db is usually taken with weapon spec
dry cloak
Like ifnyou play weapon spec properly
drowsy perch
idk i just do whatevers fun
dry cloak
You have 100% crits on yout gun
dry cloak
idk i just do whatevers fun
More strenght to you
soft solstice
I was mostly asking about the node since I don’t imagine it making much of a difference on something like the shredder or las pistol which are some of the guns I really like, and the guns I know would have high cleave like a revolver, I wouldn’t need to boost
dry cloak
Well it works best on guns with already high cleave
void dragon
Well it works best on guns with already high cleave
agri with the cleave do feels nice, would have to test it vs a swarm trying to eat me, but it seems promising
drowsy perch
I was mostly asking about the node since I don’t imagine it making much of a dif...
also if you dont just want words
dapper pier
Using a las pistol, and currently a knife (trying to trade it up but thatll come later)
Suggestions on things?
drowsy perch
just put it on and go into the meat grinder
test it out
there is the creature spawner mod but mods borken rn caus eupdate
drowsy perch
Using a las pistol, and currently a knife (trying to trade it up but thatll come...
y knife
seems like kinda a bad pick for what is basically just all-rounder gunbuild
drowsy perch
tbh empower level doesnt reaally matter
you can always just upgrade to max from whatever level its at
dapper pier
Mastery requirements
I dont have those
drowsy perch
true
easy way is to just buy a bunch of the weapon, upgrade once, then sacrifice
uses a lot of money/plasteel but those are the easiest things to get
i do it for a majority of weapons beacuse imo a lot of weapons suck until you get the good blessings/empower level
dapper pier
Im choosing to put in the hours for it. Let me get used to the weapon, decide if i like it or not
Idk. The exe uptime has been phenomenal. And spamming las shots down range from a pistol is hilarious
drowsy perch
thats what i used to do