veteran-class

[dry cloak]

i said without shocktrooper

[steep flower]

Yeah; helbore

[dry cloak]

helbore fucking eats ammo without shocktrooper

[steep flower]

I ran without & had no problems

[serene bough]

ilas in havoc 1.0 was ok but in 2.0 it definitely was a bottom barrel pick

[hollow ibex]

I really don’t like helbore without shock trooper

The effective mag size falls through the floor

[ebon inlet]

does this apply to every kill?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[ebon inlet]

or to kills that only would generate toughness for example melee kills only?

[turbid ibex]

every

[ebon inlet]

so if i kill a bunch of poxwalkers with a nade, bunch of toughness right?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[midnight totem]

Out for Blood is the only toughness regen perk vet usually needs for hordes

[south spindle]

Yeah, but the point remains, thats the lions share of the hitbox

[midnight totem]

What if Vet had inbuilt scavenger for themselves as part of its class identity? Too strong?

[hollow ibex]

<@&735928989146939404>

[hollow ibex]

Would be too strong yeah

[south spindle]

They never stop huh

All is bot

[midnight totem]

Alas

Hrm, what if weap specialist ranged critical was a free bullet?

[south spindle]

Lule

No way you could exploit that with Plasma Gun or DB

[turbid ibex]

why

[stoic thorn]

TOUCH THEM!!!

[midnight totem]

Because.
I want my vet to be broken

[steep flower]

Its yikes for everyone

[midnight totem]

I know I know. I used to advocate for everybody to have some kind of ammo regen for self or team as part of their kit

Like, having a zealot got everybody more ammo per ammo pickup. Psykers straight up had a chance not using ammo at high peril (warp shenanigans), ogryns could deploy/share an ammo bag every five or so minutes with a perk to decrease regen time. Stuff like that

[tame lodge]

But he's already is

https://tenor.com/view/off-the-air-for-some-time-now-that's-why-i'm-confused-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-14530463061911690734

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[errant carbon]

Is it just me or are games like this trending more and more towards just giving everyone some kind of ammo regen, because ammo (and grenades) purely being supplied by the map is way too inconsistent

[midnight totem]

Real talk though, only changes I want to see to Vet:

Smoke grenade QoL buff (highlight enemies within smoke) maybe... maybe slow enemies in cloud

[midnight totem]

I personally think its a symptom of Havoc restrictions. Not only is ammo much more limited in Havoc, enemies are tankier and take more hits, weapons like the revolver aren't as viable because of it

If it takes you two hits instead of one to take out a gunner, suddenly your ammo efficiency had been halved

To say nothing of modifers

I loved to play old, melee only armor maelstroms with my vet, without survivalist

Just my melee of choice and however many rounds I brought to the game

[clear mist]

dose item lvl of the weapon also mean more dmg? or is it only the dmg roll (in this case 80/80)

[midnight totem]

Only damage roll

Though, depending on weapon, there's also first target, cleave damage, etc

[clear mist]

thanks just hade to make sure

[midnight totem]

What weapon?

[clear mist]

hellbore

i was looking for a weapon to try other then revolver

[midnight totem]

You also need stopping power

Charge rate is also ideal

[clear mist]

yea need to lvl it

[errant bear]

Do it yourself

There is a mod for it already

[twin elk]

hmm

[midnight totem]

Sure but I got friends on console

[clear mist]

that just screams shoot me here XD

[errant bear]

Too bad for em LOL

Glad I have a PC ngl

[midnight totem]

Very helpful lol

[errant bear]

I would be more glad if they fixed bugs in the game first than add stuff that can already be modded

Like goddamn poxbursters to name one

LOL

[midnight totem]

You're better off asking for something realistic

Try world peace

[errant bear]

All I want is for enemies to stop clipping through walls, for invisible barriers on some maps to be removed, for poxbursters and rituals to be fixed, and for projectile physics to work both ways, because getting grilled through a wall of crushers is not fun

[tame lodge]

Rituals and fixed on the same sentence

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[errant bear]

And more FPS would be also nice but that is probably unrealistic as it would require an engine overhaul

[native ocean]

ok after testing it out for a while I'm confident I can drop the low profile subnode on infil and use that point for something better

[errant carbon]

projectile physics to work both ways

Trappers just hurling themselves from the nearest ledge

[errant bear]

You did not need to test it lol 😭 vet does not have any back damage perks

[native ocean]

back damage?

[errant bear]

Yeah trappers are included in it I do not think trash hordes should block it but the same height and larger enemies are a problem

[errant bear]

Scum / Zealot have em

Vet does not

[native ocean]

oh backstab

[errant bear]

Yeah

[native ocean]

vet has covert operative talent now but I see no reason to pick it lol

actually I might try it out purely as a gimmick lmao

ranged only backstab dmg bonus is seriously messed up though

[errant bear]

I was trying it purely as boss dmg perk but it is useless for that purpose

Turns out very little is counted as weakspot when you are aiming from the back

[native ocean]

yeah true

[errant bear]

Actually they should fix that too

It does not make sense not being able to hit weakspots from behind

[native ocean]

esp on enemies where it'd matter the most e.g. ogryns

[errant bear]

Ikr

[native ocean]

oh I should fool around with competitive urge again now that I have the Uptime mod installed

if it ends up having more than 15% uptime that's gonna be hilarious

[errant bear]

I think it's purely havoc tier perk

Anything else doesn't have enough density to matter

[native ocean]

ig

I don't play havoc though

[tall torrent]

it's ass even in havoc

[errant bear]

But 20% base DMG boost is massive

[native ocean]

I just enjoy aurics and maels

[tall torrent]

u get at best ~20% uptime across a mission

[native ocean]

wew that's p bad

meanwhile I get like 30-60% uptime on average with agile engagement

[errant bear]

I'll probably switch it up tomorrow then

Gonna get 25% crit rate for alt fire now that plasma M2 has a reason to exist

[tall torrent]

I don't think there're talent tree changes worth making on vet with the update, except switching from field improv to withering fire on builds using guns with 3+ cleave

[tall torrent]

lol deadshot does not work for plasma m2

[errant bear]

Crap

😭

Welp

[native ocean]

unepic

[errant bear]

No clue where I'll spend it then lol

[native ocean]

yeah I think I just have all the actually desireable +dmg talents in my build lol

[errant bear]

I just picked anything DPS related lol

[tall torrent]

I put last point into out for blood

u cud also do 25 toughness (really good)

[native ocean]

I like having at lest 2 tough gen talents on any class I play

so i pretty much always pick ck + out for blood on most of my vet builds

I think only my exe stance build doesn't have it

[tall torrent]

o4b is generally not needed with stance

[native ocean]

mhm

[tall torrent]

stance is just bonkers toughness regain

[native ocean]

especially post buff that gave it tough regen

[errant bear]

No krak upgrade

?

Can you still one shot crushers without it?

[tall torrent]

this is with frag

for krak, run tinkerer over grenadier

[native ocean]

true

[errant bear]

I had it earlier it's good but I prefer more dmg if possible

[tall torrent]

well the next best dmg pick is marksman

[native ocean]

seeing a crusher tank a krak is one of the worst darktide experiences ever tbf

[tall torrent]

however

u prob won't repeatedly re-activate exe stance while it's active

[errant bear]

Ah my bad I remembered badly

[tall torrent]

and the other 2 abilities are gonna be 40s CD next update

so even worse red node uptime

[native ocean]

I'm glad they removed the debuffs from the shout revive subnode, a lot of ppl will love that

[silver patrol]

i mean, the main debuff has been moved to the ability baseline

so it's really more of a fuck you

[tall torrent]

it's a good change even tho it doesn't affect good builds like at all

[errant bear]

Left node?

[tall torrent]

red node on left

[errant bear]

Ah

I see

[tall torrent]

20% weakspot strength for 10s after using ability

[native ocean]

yeah ik it's unimportant for high level play or whatever but everyone else has always complained about the subnode being unappealing as a pick

[tall torrent]

it's very strong cuz most of vet's dmg bonuses are +dmg
this one is +strength

but again, uptime

[errant bear]

Yeah I don't really like either of them they are too conditional to matter imo

[midnight totem]

I think vet's ability for cool down was nerfed too much. It was too powerful before

6 seconds flat versus 300 percent cd speed for a few seconds, you'd figure there would be a decent middle ground

[native ocean]

I think the shout rez thing was actually useful to me only once in my 1.5k hours lmao, some poor goober got downed just out of reach on the ledge before the drop into archivum sycorax but I manage to save them with the rez shout for which they were infinitely grateful lol

[errant bear]

Lmao

I am currently using infiltrate just for reloads and picking people up

[native ocean]

I love infil it's my fave vet ult

[errant bear]

Takes so long to reload plasma geez

[native ocean]

things getting too hot? shitty teammates left me behind? just infil and hit the bricks

gonna be v fun to use on the new game mode tomorrow too lol

I also run leave no one behind so I can zooom

[remote sonnet]

Get breathing space by suffocating other most of the time.

[errant bear]

It's better to use shout as panic button but infiltrate works too

[native ocean]

yeah and going fast is fun

if infil didn't have the movement speed boost I'd probably just use voc instead

[tall torrent]

it's like 6s

on a 45r shot weapon

[native ocean]

thankfully that's not the case, veteran is already pretty sauceless as-is

[tall torrent]

the sauce is all in exe stance

[native ocean]

bottom right tree can be pretty fun too

[tall torrent]

that part is non-negotiable pick

[native ocean]

weaving together slides and weapon swaps for those juicy + dmg boosts

[midnight totem]

I use infiltrate to suppress gunner groups

Wall of shotgunners? Infiltrate in their face

[native ocean]

reciprocity and desperado right? or is going all the way down to EW more preferable

[tall torrent]

EW

[native ocean]

quite the hefty point investment if you don't want to use ws tho

[tall torrent]

it's not

the actual problem is bottom left being significantly worse, with massive opportunity cost

[native ocean]

oh true

[errant bear]

It's like 4.5 if you use anim cancel - it's worth for what you get but sometimes it cannot be reloaded without infiltrate

[tall torrent]

45~70% dmg is just incredibly hard to beat

[native ocean]

you gotta get so much stuff if you wanna run deadshot

[tall torrent]

6s is with animation cancel

[errant bear]

Oh my I underestimated it then

[tall torrent]

it's quite fast for a gun with 45 shots between reloads

and u don't need to reload it much at all

just vent heat

[errant bear]

Yeah usually you have some off time between sections

But when the shit hits the fan having a way to reload it without killing yourself is nice

[obtuse finch]

with a special killer autogun build, what melee should I run?

[dry cloak]

Heavy sword for example

[obtuse finch]

thanks!

any specific marks?

[narrow frost]

I run tactical axe or Dclaw

use whatever you find fun

[dry cloak]

Any really. Just take the one with moveset that suits you

[obtuse finch]

got it! my thanks

[calm shard]

talent tree reset AGAIN

Fatshark can't keep getting away with this

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

No big deal

[calm shard]

I know

[deep bone]

I so ready for infantry las buffs gang

[formal ice]

You mean Fatshark just giving it more ammo and not buffing it's damage?

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1rvjwx5/about_the_talent_reset_in_the_upcoming_update/

Idk if it’ll impact vet

[tall torrent]

Vet only has 1 talent replaced

[willow prairie]

whole tree get changed because fuck you anyway

[tame lodge]

Army bureaucracy

[formal ice]

A loss for the people who have 30 builds because of a mod

A win for me

I had only 8

[tall torrent]

I only use up to 4 builds on a class lol

There’s just not that much build variety

[formal ice]

Weapon though

[tall torrent]

Yea just change the weapon in the build lol

It’s not big difference anyway

[formal ice]

You don't buy different weapons to have different blessings?

Weird

[tall torrent]

Most weapons don’t need those tho

[tame lodge]

Be like me
Have 2 builds

I want to shoot lasers

I want to shoot bullets

[willow prairie]

Be like me

I haven't touched the game in a month

[faint beacon]

Years if you’re a healthy person

[silver patrol]

last two events were so dogshit i also haven't touched the game in a month

[tall torrent]

Gas event was peak

This event is ass tho

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[silver patrol]

Considering how the new mode looks, i think i'll push it to 4 months or so

or until whenever is the new big expansion

[tall torrent]

They made “havoc but good” for 2 weeks

[silver patrol]

i saw what you posted

[willow prairie]

I just need havoc without the modifier as the next difficulty above auric

genuinely half of them make me don't want to play havoc

I just want the hordes

[tame lodge]

Yeah

My motivation on havoc 1.0 was the h40 hordes

Then everything started to feel way more spongey

And once I finished a h40 I felt nothing

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-10597537029835390618

[serene bough]

Im hoping the rewards and incentive to play the new mode is much more pronounced

Cannot bring myself to play havoc after accomplishing everything

[tough nova]

What did you like about gas?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nagin-blue-lock-nagi-seshiro-lazy-genius-gif-27612565

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-explosion-nagi-nagi-seishiro-gif-2044386700591410881

[tall torrent]

Enemy spawns

[ebon inlet]

i have been liking infiltrate a lot

but whats better, minus threat or tdr

[south spindle]

Neither, just take damage

[ebon inlet]

damage?

which one is that?

i see low profile which is threat

hunter's resolve which is tdr

and the one that gives you one extra charge and a bit more cooldown

[ebon inlet]

which one am i missing?

[somber axle]

it has built in damage so they probably meant save the point and spend elsewhere

if you had to choose between lower threat and tdr I'd recommend tdr but tbh if I was only going to spend one point on a subnode for Infil it'd be Overwatch

the extra charge comes in handy sometimes for clutch rescues or repositioning to kill a very irritating pox bomber/bomber squad that's just pelting your whole area while you're busy with ragers/bulwarks/maulers/crushers/hordes and you need to chew through the mixed horde to get a clear shot

or just disappear go over and wipe them all out

[south spindle]

None of the subnodes are currently worth taking, yeah

[hollow ibex]

i think it's worth taking low profile or the toughness one

one or the other

[frigid rover]

trying to tune up MKIV helbore a bit.

i'm not reeaalllly convinced Weight of Fire is pulling the weight of a blessing slot

i think i will try the brittleness one myself despite people saying it is bad and see how it feels.

[heavy rover]

I like brittleness

[frigid rover]

might actually feel alright for finishing off current event before it expires todaytomorrow.

[midnight totem]

I like low profile

but you really gotta work to get the most out of it

cause you're dumping aggro onto the others

you better make it count

[slow spade]

it's for when you can afford to fire shots and not snapshot

better for competent teams kind of thing

[frigid rover]

i'm not sure how much snapshotting can really be done with the mkIV

that said, switching off WoF was more noticeable than i expected and the brittleness prooobably doesnt matter in most cases on helbore?

[hollow ibex]

yeah doesn't do much

the only time i'd take armorbane on helbore

is for mk3

and if i plan on shooting crushers

helbore mkiv technically doesn't need WOF

because you can use partial charge against most targets

even the partial charge hits like a truck

[dense bridge]

Which blessings are best on the power sword?

[hollow ibex]

pc4 + sunder/brumentum

[mighty python]

Is toughness regen speed worth it?

[austere mica]

As a curio perk? No

Its one of the worst, it only affects coherency regeneration

[slow spade]

I miss the old days when it boosted all regen :c

[mighty python]

Ty

[proven plinth]

Where matching Scion helmet body cosmetic?

[tame dragon]

Lets say I'm using a shovel for the sake of armor since I'm primarily using the recon lasgun, what would the build be on the shovel? Mark and blessings

[hollow ibex]

mk1 or mk3

deci uncanny

[high vale]

Great a third time i have to build my crowd control vet

Bloody splendid, i know damn well this feature aint gonna do it how i hope it will

[charred halo]

should i toss infiltrate on my melee build for the sole purpose of being funny

[distant mural]

Theres nothing fun about infiltrate

[dry cloak]

The neat part is you dont

Read #📢news-bulletin

[dapper coyote]

Ilas buff?

[tall torrent]

Soon

[crude widget]

The lasgun sucks ngl, I rather used heavy laspistol. Pistol has better reload, movement, push back option. Meanwhile lasgun damage is weird and weak with a useless flashlight

[crude widget]

I rather get extra toughness curio

[high vale]

Thats the neat part, read my damn message

I have read it, you clearly didn’t read my thoughts on it

[mortal vault]

hi guys how is veteran class, i just bought this game

[tall torrent]

Top 3 class in the game but not the easiest for beginners since u need to learn all of the game’s mechanics & enemies

[mortal vault]

what would you say is a beginner friendly class

[tall torrent]

Base game wise prob zealot or ogryn are easiest to start

If u want to get DLC, easiest is Arbites

Good idea is to get used to the melee combat and learn what each enemy does quickly

Vet is very bottom heavy in talents and you won’t be getting his full kit (that makes him good) until like lv20+

[mortal vault]

is vet like a melee character or mor gun

[tall torrent]

Hybrid

[soft jewel]

Random, but recon lasgun is now my favorite gun in the whole game

[fickle narwhal]

I would say more gun focused since as faar as i know your main role is to take care for the majority of the specialist and those are faar in average

[tall torrent]

no it's hybrid

vet hasn't been a ranged class for 2yrs+

[fickle narwhal]

What’s ranged class then

[tall torrent]

psyker

[fickle narwhal]

Sure

More even with the flame staff meta build

You can write 100 guides if you want but i don’t think you can tell my what my eyes see

[tall torrent]

psyker is just significantly more ranged focus than vet is

[fickle narwhal]

Cause of the mind explosion?

Yes, that’s a fact

[tall torrent]

sorry I don't get it, what are u trying to say here

[fickle narwhal]

But i don’t think it would be as capable as a vet to deal with gunners and snipers in the same amount of time

[steep flower]

I believe what he means is ‚i do not engage in melee = ranged build’

And psyker can do that easily cause infinite ‚ammo’

[fickle narwhal]

The grenadier of the psyker you mean( my game it’s on diferent lenguage and some skill name can be confusing for me)

[steep flower]

Brain Rupture

[fickle narwhal]

Yes, this, i’ve been playing psyker too but i feel more confortable with plasma gun for take ranged specialist when they are spawned by waves

[tall torrent]

vet has better kill speed on multiple ranged elites/specialists usually, but u can't shoot at everything forever and not melee (which most people expect "ranged class" to be)

[fickle narwhal]

Obviously psyker being able to cover while exploding their head is nice but still preffer the vet on that specific scenario

[fickle narwhal]

After playing both roles i would say that vet still being more satisfactory on that specific scenario, so for me it’s the most ranged oriented class, but every opinión it’s respectable

[steep flower]

Have you ever tried Brain Rupture with both augments for it & middle keystone?

[fickle narwhal]

Yes and it’s pretty good, but still needing the special ability to spam it at that speed, so it’s more situational but vet only need bullets and you can farm it very easily(not to mention nearly everyone mark you the bullets on the map on Havoc high levels)

[steep flower]

I mean even with keystone itself its good enough; resonance is for extra if there is a special wave/key elites/boss to kill fast

[fickle narwhal]

Resonance is the talent that add flame soul to nearly enemies when you use the brain rupture?

[steep flower]

• its infinite; in a prolonged encounter plasma falls off cause heat management; Brain Rupture is more efficient if you are good that is - it requires alot of awareness & good reaction timing

[steep flower]

No its the augment for Brain Rupture that gives you increased charge spd & peril cost reduction for 10s on casting your ability

[ebon inlet]

you guys think infantry lasgun will be good?

[fickle narwhal]

Yep you get a point on that but psyker has perill too, but yeah with that talent probably would be similar

[ebon inlet]

with the buffs

[turbid ibex]

Itll be ok

[fickle narwhal]

Yesterday saw a mister e video speaking about this seems like they buff the recoil alot and some other things

It was a little sad to be as sht for an iconic weapon like that

[ebon inlet]

the recoil is only on the very fast fire one

[turbid ibex]

Wouldve needed flak adm buff to actually be good

[steep flower]

It was alright; still will be alright; still will be replaced by helbore; still helbore will not be used in majority of the lobbies anyways

[turbid ibex]

Mr e 💀

[turbid ibex]

Or laspistol

[fickle narwhal]

I hate hellbore for that draw speed

[ebon inlet]

i watch him cuz he has access to new shit first so

[steep flower]

Recoil is on all marks; most severe on faster ones & their dmg was dogshit

[ebon inlet]

far as i know they're buffing the faster one

now will that be better dps than a slower one? idk

[steep flower]

I watch him to know what to expect from ppl who take his word for granted so i know what to ‚fight’ once i clash with ideas/builds/playstyles

Cause boi is… questionable

[steep flower]

It will be Usable
Lets start from that

[ebon inlet]

well alright

[south spindle]

Vibetuber

Numbers? Nahhh, just feels

[tall torrent]

update out

17.2gb on steam

[south spindle]

Nice, good lookin out man, means i can play a couple hours before hitting town

[steep flower]

Oh god

[tall torrent]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/beyond-the-hive-free-update-out-now-patch-1-11-0-expeditions/119479/1

blog also out

inf las unyielding ADM buff pretty small

[river wraith]

Fuck man 💔

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1483424976576057417/image.png?ex=69ba8aab&is=69b9392b&hm=2986a957e4adfc683e47b8590f6d5ec26948fcc25d46cc9d43092e65d1e5e897&

My knees

[formal ice]

Best protection is the painful one

[tall torrent]

I tested plasma

charge shot still not worth

lolol

[void dragon]

Wait, so the inf Lasguns are STILL taking a sheep load of stamina on sprint?

[tall torrent]

no

[pseudo fiber]

Oh yeah it's a Vostroyan rerun it seems

No new skins

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1483422533603823656/image.png?ex=69ba8864&is=69b936e4&hm=a2476f80a8e39b189ffef521ca12dd31c50dfa53badcaa8f05ecd731c487a37d&

[tall torrent]

ok that white + gold one is fancy

[tall torrent]

this got added but no way to unlock

[pseudo fiber]

Simply do make every shot count again

[pseudo fiber]

I'm partial to the purple

[turbid ibex]

Ourple

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-purple-what-if-it-was-karlrove-pencil-gif-13697978

[pseudo fiber]

Purple alt scheme Vostroyans was one of my favourites

[tall torrent]

the penance itself says it unlocks killshot's duty uniform

[willow prairie]

actual good free cosmetics?

[tall torrent]

this red one can't be unlocked

[tall torrent]

vet armor from expeditions

[willow prairie]

yeah that fuck

[tall torrent]

very fancy gloves

[willow prairie]

actual new model instead of the same one

[tall torrent]

yea it's new model

well the flak vest is same model

but everything else in it is diff

[tall torrent]

also

plasma m1 cleave being 18 is a lie

it's under 10 (cannot go through scab mauler)

[turbid ibex]

Woaw

[tall torrent]

my guess is that they reduced the cleave from 105 down to 18

[pseudo fiber]

Why do you keep replying to the 6th set lmfaoooo

I don't mind

[tall torrent]

will need to see the source code to confirm

but it's most likely 9.45 now

52.5% of 18

which means the +50% ranged cleave talent actually will hit the cleave breakpoint of 10

[tame lodge]

I did sorta of concluded that

Sorta

Remember when I asked about M2 being 36

[turbid ibex]

No

[tame lodge]

Stfu Your Honor, you weren't even there

[tall torrent]

can't cleave through 1 mauler

9.45 is high but reasonable for plasma

so plasma actual changes are:

m1 cleave 55.125 -> 9.45
m2 cleave 105 -> 18
m2 min-charge ammo cost 7 -> 5 (still not worth using)
wield timescale 1 -> 0.85 (slower)

good nerfs

wish the charge shot buff would actually make it worth using tho

[quiet lark]

thoughts on ilas buffs?

[turbid ibex]

Uhhh havent tried yet but doesnt seem like enough

Flak adm is the one that actually needed increasing instead of unyield

[void dragon]

Wait, so the min charge for M2 isn't one ammo?

[tall torrent]

I have no idea how reginald thought of this as plasma buff in any way

[tall torrent]

u cannot fire the gun below certain charge lvl

that charge lvl uses 5 ammo minimum after update

used to be 7

it's better but it's still not worth it because it's not high enough dmg/ammo efficiency compared to m1

[turbid ibex]

I have the feeling fatshark may have fucked up something when going from test branch to release

[void dragon]

M2 not having high cleave sounds off

[tall torrent]

m2 has up to 18

[void dragon]

Yeah, wasn't the point that the charged one would be higher?

[tall torrent]

it is

m1 has 9.45

[void dragon]

"Secondary fire base Cleave unchanged at Infinite"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[void dragon]

Someone Def screwed up something

[tame lodge]

It never was infinite to begin with

[void dragon]

Either in the notes or the actual balance patch

[void dragon]

Yeah, but the patch notes lying on the fact it got changed is something

[tame lodge]

I'll headcanon that they don't know anything about their own game

So they just said shit

[void dragon]

Is it headcanon if we suspect it as a fact?

[tall torrent]

it was never infinite in the first place

[void dragon]

Yeah, something high like 100 I recon?

[tall torrent]

105

[tame lodge]

Maybe we can make like the Orks and make it real by believing on it

[tall torrent]

inf las IIb crit muzzle flash unchanged

lolol

[pseudo fiber]

Idk what the vet weapon skins are btw

Sorry

:(

[void dragon]

Must call all ogryns to make believe all our guns are not garbo

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1483423963488194610/image.png?ex=69ba89b9&is=69b93839&hm=265188437b882c96761b374570f0e36fa4344d7ad8e95d26f2b94ab79a2884da&

There's this club for ogryn

[tall torrent]

wtf this is awesome

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1483423394862071828/image.png?ex=69ba8932&is=69b937b2&hm=9f0fa8e311a9370c07b46059254c2d606969a05475f6b49433e63fc3f5ec3d92&

[tame lodge]

Seer has good taste

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1483420665687179285/Screenshot_2026-03-17_110340.png?ex=69ba86a7&is=69b93527&hm=1d7f3b2e3efdb227c86cdda2ee431bd548e9eb82593d0e46c30243845a08d3ab&

[tall torrent]

wow they rly want money from this update

wow

these are peak

[pseudo fiber]

Again idk the vet ones

If I had to guess these will come out with an agents rerun though

[steep flower]

Its Regi; since the break from darktide & the return his takes were… questionable

[hearty snow]

looking at tempestus scion art, are these boots where they got the design for a bunch of veteran legwear

[steep flower]

Especially in terms of builds

[hearty snow]

wtf weapon skins are actually cook?

[tall torrent]

inf las best is prob IX after update

I think they shud have buffed flak ADM on it

[steep flower]

No fking way; i’m a buy this

Unironically

[tame lodge]

Buffing flak? In this economy?

[steep flower]

[tall torrent]

it occupies a very niche role of "perhaps the most dmg/ammo on a gun ever"

[pseudo fiber]

Good use of a semi colon

[marble rivet]

whats the weapon with the lowest ammo count?

ive just realised a devious way to complete make every shot count

[tall torrent]

if ur trying to do "make every shot count", use the double barrel shotgun

[torpid sundial]

ilas is pretty fun

[marble rivet]

just got untouchable because a team mate called in an extract too quickly in expedition so ye

[torpid sundial]

wonder if ghost might be easier

[marble rivet]

do missed pellets count towards the accuracy count?

[dry cloak]

No

[void dragon]

Nope, as long as one do hit it's a hit that didn't missed

[marble rivet]

oooo i might finally get it done lmao

[tall torrent]

I think HH+DA is still the way

[void dragon]

Does the ammo blessing buff made it any degree of good? Or saving even more ammo on this guns is just excessive?

[tall torrent]

efficiency resets CD with shots fired = if u keep firing u get no value

[void dragon]

Does it work for the slower firing mk? Or rapid firing even that one still has issues?

[serene bough]

These are cool

Is this the new shop rotation

[tall torrent]

inf las is better than before but nowhere near top tier

[pseudo fiber]

It's not rotated yet and it's looking like a Vostroyan rerun

[tall torrent]

below mid still, I'd say

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-hercules-disappointment-shouting-kevin-sorbo-gif-14893643

[turbid ibex]

Guess im not changing my name on this server anytime soon

[serene bough]

Im looking forward to trying ilas after work

[pseudo fiber]

Add "again" at the end

[turbid ibex]

True

[void dragon]

ObeseFish thinking of you for this changes (so you don't have to stress yourself changing it)

[tall torrent]

actually no, it's IIb for sure @steep flower

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fell-fell-for-it-fell-for-it-again-fell-for-it-again-award-award-gif-15411198764799214626

[serene bough]

Im not suprised IIb would be the best on vet

[tame lodge]

with the changes to plasma gun, this new talent should come in handy

Like hello

Are you trying to tell me

[serene bough]

Exe duration buffs are cool

[tame lodge]

That we only have the new talent

Because you nerfed plasma

https://tenor.com/view/monster-bob-blob-stare-gif-1160213367645308177

[void dragon]

Deservedly nerfed

Still very much odd perk

[somber axle]

Helbore Hotshot Withering Fire time let's go

[tame lodge]

I agree but the wording on why the talent is really funny

[turbid ibex]

At least it replaced get back in the fight

So nothing of value was lost

But also not much of value was gained

[void dragon]

Ok plasma is cope, what gun actually would care for extra cleave?

[tall torrent]

I don't think this one matters much for plasma
9.45 m1
with this talent, it's ~14.17

but u just won't need >10 cleave on plasma most of the time

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver

[tall torrent]

revolver, helbore, combat shotgun

[tame lodge]

While the cshotguns have some high cleave by default
Well higher than the other weapons

Manstopper exists

So eh

Build dependant I guess

[tall torrent]

ye

I think it'll be ok for agripinaa CS

and accatran

[serene bough]

There are new cosmetics with this gamemode yes?

[tame lodge]

Will Accatran finally be worth using?

[void dragon]

Acca isn't good for the likes of zealot?

[turbid ibex]

A cat ran

[tame lodge]

Not really

Only good for like

Suppression

Because if Zealot is close enough he'll just melee

[serene bough]

Not bad

[void dragon]

Sometimes that suppression is ok (still pissed that the fire shots themselves deal no damage)

[tall torrent]

it's either IIb or IX tbh
but IX needs bigger dmg investment

IX with actual good breakpoints would be very good

[tame lodge]

I do still think Suppression is an underrated mechanic

[charred dome]

Alright voc got nerfed so what do I run now

[tall torrent]

whereas IIb can just spray

[steep flower]

I think i still have some aquilas so it should be enough

[tame lodge]

But that's because I'm one of the few people that actively uses it

[somber axle]

Is the new efficiency worth running

[tame lodge]

Ye

[somber axle]

So what blessing pairing are you going with then? HH/Eff?

[tame lodge]

It's always up when you want it

HH eff

HH is non negotiable

[tall torrent]

kinda, no

[steep flower]

We’ll see

[tall torrent]

its CD resets when u shoot

[steep flower]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[somber axle]

Is there even a reason to use shocktrooper with Efficiency

[tall torrent]

so if u keep shooting u never have it back up

[somber axle]

That's a lot of potential shots

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Always up when I want it

Which is between shots

[tall torrent]

since inf las are not actual good breakpoint 1 shot guns

efficiency is dubious

[tame lodge]

Just pause between shots

[tall torrent]

unless u manually slow down firerate and get slower ttk

which is never a good thing

[marble rivet]

is there a way to track accuracy during a mission?

[tawny badger]

just don’t shoot

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[tame lodge]

Count it

Uh

[marble rivet]

fair

[tame lodge]

Leaderboard mod

[tawny badger]

There’s the Scoreboard mod I think

[tame lodge]

Or whatever the name

[somber axle]

It just feels like a lot of overkill on ammo economy between shock trooper and new efficiency

[marble rivet]

honestly my accuracy is mostly fucked by my target getting ownzoned as im shooting them

[pseudo fiber]

Think before you act

[serene bough]

I guess if you can push breakpoints its more reliable but at that point id rather use a helbore

[tall torrent]

ye

[tawny badger]

Infinite ammo efficiency tho

[tame lodge]

That's the thing
Play around efficiency

And you don't need Shock Trooper

Which means

[somber axle]

I guess it will feel better for more shots between reloads

[tame lodge]

You save 2 talent points

[somber axle]

I'll have to play around with it and see if I prefer shock trooper + HH/DA for Exe Stance/MMF or if the new efficiency ends up making it feel better to shift those talent points elsewhere

[tame lodge]

You don't need to take extra ammo talent when pathing towards potentially infinite ammo talent

Kek

[somber axle]

Mostly curious about the recoil change on the IIb

[serene bough]

Same

[somber axle]

That gun could feel really good but who knows

[serene bough]

Ill be trying ghost + effi later

At least on the IIb only reason I used HH was to proc shocktroop

[tall torrent]

not worth for IIb

IIb is 100% still HH+DA

[serene bough]

Wdym 100%

Oh lol nvm

[tame lodge]

We use DA on iLas?

[tall torrent]

yea

2 finesse after all

[sand anchor]

Good morning everyone, and happy St. Patrick’s day.

[serene bough]

DA never worth on IIb

[sand anchor]

I will make my vet totally green

[serene bough]

Doesn't push any meaningful breakpoints from my experience that MMF doesn't already do

[tall torrent]

it kinda is now

[tall torrent]

IIb has usually better ttk on reaper than VII and IX

[tame lodge]

Sorry I just had to get it out of my system

[tall torrent]

and IIb works best with HH since u can shoot the fastest

[tame lodge]

So the recoil buff was a success?

[tall torrent]

@pseudo fiber is commodore bugged rn

can't see more than 1 page

[serene bough]

I wouldnt grab just for higher ttk on one enemy esp if ghost is just gonna make you immune to that enemy

[solar garden]

Cool update, randomly changed the hair color of my Vet 🤣

[pseudo fiber]

Lmfao

As time goes on I'm thinking they may have... forgot the set

[serene bough]

What are the new adm for unyielding anyways

[tall torrent]

no I mean it literally doesn't allow me to swap pages per class

[pseudo fiber]

Oh they broke it broke it

[tall torrent]

there's no "go to next page" button

is it cuz of mod or smth

[tame lodge]

Any comments on the Hsword buff?

Apparently the brittleness it applies is separate from the generic one

[tall torrent]

I have yet to get to it

but so far conclusions

plasma change overall nerf, cleave is way lower, charge shots still not worth using
inf las are better but still nowhere near good, as expected
veteran's +50% ranged cleave talent works well for revolver, combat shotgun, boltgun IIb and helbore (but not needed for plasma)

[tame lodge]

They actually remembered the special follow up attack didn't have enough cleave to go through 4.5+ cleave by default

So they gave it 400% cleave against carapace specifically

[heavy rover]

Think the power falchion buffs make it more viable?

[tame lodge]

Just damage when powered lol

Needs more

[marble rivet]

i got make every shot count, yippeeeeee

[turbid ibex]

5-10% damage buff when powered aint gonna cut it

[tall torrent]

haven't gotten to it yet but prob not

it still needs like 9 more buffs

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I was kinda hoping for a damage buff across the board

Ah well, looks like it is back to tac axe and power sword

[tame lodge]

Well it sorta got a damage buff across the board (if you only count the 1st target when activated as the whole board)

[brisk umbra]

Oh hell yeah, Brauto got 50% cleave

[heavy rover]

Revive shout got a whole lot more tempting

[tame lodge]

Oh also

Arby's got a bunch of Strength

Maybe

Just maybe

I repeat

Maybe it isn't mid

Anymore

[void dragon]

To reach rashad levels of performance? Or to not be meh in every metric? Also are the twinstubbers at least worth using now or still ogryn has one or two guns tops?

[tall torrent]

to be good
idk haven't checked twin stubbers yet but presumably no

gorg twin stubber might be good?

[slender elm]

lots of fucking bullets wooooo

[serene bough]

Yeah is this worth taking now

[slender elm]

except if people aint expecting it they just fucking die while afk

lel

cant solve that problem

[slender elm]

why bother taking it then

[serene bough]

Its a point tax but there are no downsides anymore

[somber axle]

Revive them the second they die to the rager blender so instead of having a chance to afk they die immediately instead

[tame lodge]

No ammo still

Thammer got a small bump against maniacs

[thin stone]

What do we need to change now in the shredder frag veteran build from the path guide?

[tall torrent]

it's actually pretty sizeable

[tall torrent]

nothing

[tame lodge]

Nothing

[thin stone]

What about the new cleave node?

[tame lodge]

Kek

[thin stone]

Isn't it good?

[tame lodge]

What's the weapon you using?

[thin stone]

Bolt pistol

Which weapons will benefit from the ranged cleave precisely?

[tall torrent]

read above

[tame lodge]

Zarona Revolver
Helbore

[tall torrent]

.

[thin stone]

Ok cool

[void dragon]

Now that revive shout isn't abysmal, probably we can do support veteran with those perks like cover fire and whatnot?

[thin stone]

This was the build that someone gave me

It's pretty good so far imo

[fervent hemlock]

wow. why did they nerf shout so hard?

[thin stone]

How badly did it get nerfed?

[fervent hemlock]

10s cd up

[unreal nova]

+10 sec CD.

[thin stone]

Oh

[unreal nova]

Honestly, only matters in havoc.

[thin stone]

Ohk

[tall torrent]

lol just run stance

[thin stone]

Is this grenade veteran build viable for havoc?

[tall torrent]

it's well deserved

[fervent hemlock]

not really

[gilded pike]

maybe people will shut up about vet now

[fervent hemlock]

"hey we see no one takes revive shout because it's dogshit, so we're just going to put the increased 33% cooldown baseline. fuck you."

[void dragon]

Full support is still not viable? I cry

[heavy rover]

That'll be the day vet shuts up about Cadia

[tall torrent]

why would u want to play vet as a support class

[fervent hemlock]

the 'support' vet gives is shout spam and deleting heavies with his infinite grenades

or massive crowd control

[void dragon]

I play ogryn like a fly-swatter varlet, I like playing support for a team

[fickle narwhal]

do you suggest this for laser recon?

[heavy rover]

Nah not really

[tall torrent]

for XIV it's ok

[void dragon]

Wanted to know if veteran can be an auxiliary

[tight cave]

hello, can anyone tell me what are main aspects of plasma gun build? I mean i get it that its krak grenade, but what are preferable belssings for the plasma cannon? Preferable character perks? As i saw on the website its melee focused in somewhat degree becuase unlike recon lasgun you cant use it in every given situation

[tall torrent]

see pinned guide

[fickle narwhal]

i'm using this one i was wondering if it could be cool to swap it for this: but not sure if it would be that great, maybe it's a nice buff for orde clean and a good sinergy with dumdum?

[tight cave]

okay, thank you!

[tall torrent]

again, for XIV it's ok

this talent is mainly meant for guns with higher base cleave

[fickle narwhal]

but how can u see that base cleave? both have that collateral stat at the same?

[tall torrent]

pinned guide

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[fickle narwhal]

again Fatshark ui being completely sht

[tame lodge]

It's not written in game lol
Welcome to Fatshark

[heavy rover]

Classic Thicc Tuna

[void dragon]

MorbidlyobeseShrimp strats

[tight cave]

the guide is good, it explains everything, but i still dont see more specific reccomdation for plasma. I guess it must be focused cooling / gets hot + rising heat (or power blast?)

[fickle narwhal]

since plasma gun have been a little bit change it it probably need some update info but not sure

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot Rising Heat

[tame lodge]

Not really

No damage nerf so it retains breakpoints

[fickle narwhal]

but the heat resistance stat maybe is more need it now?

[tight cave]

at least i got it right, for maximum crit chance i guess? Why no focused cooling? It would allow me to shoot more continuosly

[tame lodge]

It was mostly a cleave and M2 ammo change

[fickle narwhal]

not sure still

[tame lodge]

Because for continuous shooting
Optimized Cooling and Blaze Away are better

Gets Hot makes CRIT more often and Rising Heat gets better breakpoints
So it turns your plasma into 1 shot kill human sized elites and specialists

[tame lodge]

Still not worth using M2
So it's just M1 M1 M1

[tight cave]

got it, but if i want to go into bfg build i must go into crit chance? Therefore should get a perk for crit stance (the one that wastes your stamina, dont remember the name)

[tight cave]

plasma m2 is not worth using?

[tame lodge]

Deadshot does not interact with plasma m2

[heavy rover]

Deadshot?

Not really good for plasma

[tight cave]

daaamn, would've been so good

[fickle narwhal]

mmm i feel like plasma now is way worse for no reason if m2 is not that usefull

[heavy rover]

Usually I'd recommend deadshot for infantry las, but even then it's a bit of a meme build

[tight cave]

wait, it is a meme build? A joke one? I thought it was a good one getting insane load of fire damage and never ending ammo

[tame lodge]

M2 was never useful

Actually it might have been way back

But plasma has been M1 spam for a while now

In fact as long as I can tell

Which is like

3 years now?

[fickle narwhal]

i like it for one shoot reapers but i use it not much to be honest

[tight cave]

but what does better dps, zealot or plasma?

[tame lodge]

Melee wise or ranged wise

[tight cave]

is there a point for a veteran to go into tank killer while psychotic priest exist

[tame lodge]

[tight cave]

i mean any wise. I know it isnt really viable to compare 2 different kinds of tank killing but the main goal is still the same, isnt it?

[tame lodge]

What do you mean by tank though

Plasma hasn't been a good carapace killer for a while now

In fact

For as long as I can tell

Which is like 3 years now?

[tight cave]

carapaced ogryn and beast of nurgle, one is without armour and other with

[tame lodge]

Also plasma boss dps isn't that great

[tight cave]

damn

[tight cave]

whats it's good for then

[pastel knoll]

hordes of regulars

[tame lodge]

1 shot human sized elites and specialists

[tight cave]

isnt recon is better on it becuase of never ending ammo?

[tight cave]

and that it?

[tame lodge]

1 - ranged is never a good horde shooter (crazy wording I know)
2 - few weapons are the exceptions

[fickle narwhal]

what's exactly the point of the changes on the plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

So Fatshark can say they did something

But to be fair

[turbid ibex]

nerfs cleave and makes it slightly slower to swap to

[tame lodge]

9 cleave

Stops at 2 scab shotgunner

[tame lodge]

So shotgun pack is actually dangerous now

Not really

[tight cave]

can i at least kill the chonky ones with bolter or bolt pistol? I saw a video few years ago where beast of nurgle just evaporated becuase of bolter build

[turbid ibex]

yeah you cant kill like 10 elites with one shot anymore

[tame lodge]

Just get in melee range lol

[tame lodge]

Bolter sure

Bolt Pistol eh

Not quite

[turbid ibex]

bolter magdump with exestance can do some pretty big damage into bosses

specially stacked with red stimm and focus target

[tight cave]

cant i get bolt pistol to do the same thing as plasma? One shotting human sized specialist without even getting in danger of becomeing a local sclaed nuclear bomb?

[tame lodge]

Also no

[fickle narwhal]

what is going to be the meta gun of the vet now

[turbid ibex]

plasma

[tame lodge]

Bolt Pistol 1 shot breakpoints are quite

Inexistent

[tame lodge]

Helbore Plasma Double Barrel

[tight cave]

and somehow plasma is meta build?

[turbid ibex]

yes?

[tame lodge]

Yes because it's plasma

[tight cave]

the hell

am i missing something

[fickle narwhal]

whait whats the double barrel build

[tame lodge]

You're not accepting that it's plasma

That's what you're missing

[tight cave]

damn

[turbid ibex]

plasma is just really fucking good at the things its supposed to do

[fickle narwhal]

cause yesterday people were saying me that it was dogsht

[tame lodge]

They don't know what they are talking about

[tight cave]

at killing human sized specialist and???

[tame lodge]

It's weapon specialist

[fickle narwhal]

one shot human size specialist?

[turbid ibex]

and elites

[tame lodge]

With Flechette and Manstopper

Kill 3 guys with melee

Swap shoot swap

Kill 3 guys with melee

[tight cave]

oh, a great remark, changes everything. Plasma is just worse ogryn rock

[tame lodge]

Swap shoot swap

[turbid ibex]

lmao

[tame lodge]

Nope

Rock doesn't have 9 cleave

And has an arch

[turbid ibex]

you cant also throw 8 rocks in a row

[tame lodge]

Or 11

[tight cave]

you can if you miss

i mean

[tame lodge]

Bruv

[fickle narwhal]

mmm i wonder why the cleave on the charger, don't feel like a charge would be something that viable on havoc 40

[tight cave]

dont know what cleave is, ill check rq

[turbid ibex]

cleave lets you hit more stuff

[fickle narwhal]

it should be named collateral cause it's confusing as fuck

[turbid ibex]

not really

collateral also already a thing

its a stat on some guns

[fickle narwhal]

yeah i know but the term itself it's confusing due how to aply

[past stratus]

hey I have been away for a while now, do we have a "these are our most used talents" link anywhere? I don't need to copy a build, I just want to see if there are any drastic changes on the things I already know that I might have overlooked

[tight cave]

its confusing for me either way.

[tame lodge]

Guide on pins

[fickle narwhal]

i don't think so

[turbid ibex]

not much has changed for vet talents but pinned guide has a build template

[tame lodge]

Veteran build template section

[past stratus]

oh sorry I checked the hammer of the emperor before asking this. I totally missed the build template section. Thank you

[fickle narwhal]

mmm is it just me or the plasma now purge heat faster with the special?¿

[tight cave]

is cleave an armour breaking or an ability to stun? Im confused, what the point of cleave then? Cant you just run away its never an option?

[turbid ibex]

.

[tame lodge]

Cleave determines the amount of mass your attack can go through before stopping

[fickle narwhal]

ability to stunt i would say that's stoppage capacity

[tight cave]

so basically going through enemies? Like one shot of plasma penetrating 20 enemies and killing them respectively? Does a shot loose damage? Does it work like projectile going through or just aoe?

[fickle narwhal]

but there is also the collateral that doe something similar i would say

not sure

very confusing....

[void dragon]

We call it impact

[tame lodge]

Ranged weapons usually don't get affected by cleave damage distribution

[turbid ibex]

ye hitting multiple enemies

[tame lodge]

I don't remember any exception to this rule atm

[tight cave]

aoe type or penetrarion type?

[turbid ibex]

plasma used to have 55-ish cleave on hipfire which was insane

[dire breach]

hello brothers in arms, which weapon is now better in your opinion, the infantry lasgun or autogun?

[turbid ibex]

aoe doesnt use cleave

[tame lodge]

Which Autogun?

[fickle narwhal]

but there is a star called impact and the other stat called like that, it is the same? spanish translation it's shit

[past stratus]

my talents seem to be the same I was already using but the Combat Blade recommendation on the Slayer build is new, wow.

[tight cave]

then it must be projectile going through, yes?

[dire breach]

columnus

[tame lodge]

Which Columnus

[turbid ibex]

stopping power is impact and adms

[void dragon]

Ignore the actual names of those and focus on the stats INSIDE them, those matter more in reference than anything else (blame ObeseFish for making us all confused)

[dire breach]

the full auto one.

[tame lodge]

Son

[dire breach]

fuck, my memory is in the shitter

[tame lodge]

There's braced Columnus 2

There's the infantry Columnus

Whatever it is

When it comes to dps

Infantry Autogun still wins

[turbid ibex]

more specifically vraks infantry autogun

[dire breach]

found it, vraks 5 autogun

[tall torrent]

btw correction: plasma m2 is still up to 105 cleave

m1 is 9.45

[tight cave]

som for anti bossess i should carry krak grenades with perks to make them better, middle one and left one, grenadier and storage, yes? Or should i get the third?

[void dragon]

Oh joy

So there is use of m2

[turbid ibex]

for antiboss its usually melee

[tall torrent]

well if u need to cleave through multiple maulers lined up in 1 shot yes

[turbid ibex]

kraks are mostly for ogryn one shots

[dire breach]

so, vraks 5 or infantry lasguns?

[tall torrent]

vraks 5

[turbid ibex]

vraks 5

[void dragon]

That trapper will not be able to hide

[turbid ibex]

and on high havocs you will need tinkerer for crusher one shots

[tight cave]

i use combat knife or dueling sword, how would they help me against them? Bleed? Shouldnt i carry chain sword for this reason then?

[turbid ibex]

just heavy attack into weakspot

thats how you do damage with them

[tame lodge]

Or push attack spam with knife

[turbid ibex]

or push attack heavy for knife

[tame lodge]

Knife and Dueling Sword, arguably 2 of the best single target melees

[tall torrent]

also they broke ogryn's rock

doesn't have gunner instakill flag anymore

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-ishowspeed-gif-7297322352901128995

[tame lodge]

Sorry but gunner isn't specialist

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[void dragon]

They made it so it only kill specials but robbed us other kill overrides

[tight cave]

push attack helps to stack bleeding, i understand that correctly? Heavy attack is for what in this case?

[void dragon]

[turbid ibex]

push attack deals damage

same for heavy

just cycle the two and keep hitting

[void dragon]

ObeseFish showing that ogryns are worth Nerfing when we are being buffed

[tame lodge]

No no
Ignore the bleeding

[tight cave]

??????

[tame lodge]

Just push attack spam or heavy

[tight cave]

isnt that really counter-intuitive?

[tame lodge]

Knife and Dueling Sword don't care about no bleeding

Just push attack with knife or heavy spam

[tight cave]

how can push attack have so big damage

the bloody hell

[tame lodge]

Because Fatshark
Also push attack spam on the knife is the highest dps you can achieve with it

[tight cave]

????? huh?????

[tame lodge]

Until you run out of stamina

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Fatshark moment

[tight cave]

even if took metamphetamine i wouldnt think of such a thing

how the hell did they came up with it

i guess

thanks for explaining

and heavy attack is second best dps, right?

[tame lodge]

Only Fatshark knows how Fatshark works

[tame lodge]

Likely yeah

[tall torrent]

no

[tight cave]

about stealth build, is bleed even that good for a knife?

[tame lodge]

Flesh Tearer is alright
Lacerate is dogshit

[tight cave]

it is blessings or perks?

[turbid ibex]

blessings

[fickle narwhal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d6a5273-b6cf-4599-a8ff-10b2c0b02c2e/proper-karkin-trooper what do you think about this build?

[turbid ibex]

im afraid to click that link

[frank basin]

aw shieet a slight nerf voc

[turbid ibex]

ok this is surprisingly not that bad for talents

[tight cave]

and what about perks? There are perk that gives bleeding for every succesfull hit, but i guess i can stack enough for it to deal big damage? Should i even consider stealth vet when zealot exists?

[turbid ibex]

only dubious thing is taking rending talent instead of toughness boost

well that and the weapon choices

[fickle narwhal]

i was wondering about decapitator instead of headhunter with the rashad

[turbid ibex]

take headtaker

decapitator sucks

way too unreliable

and replace flak perk with unarmored

[fickle narwhal]

damm guns on DT are beautifully modeled

[tame lodge]

Serrated Blade?
Kinda eh for knife and dueling sword since they are prone to kill the target before bleed does anything
Like you could Pair with Flesh Tearer on the knife

But that's about it

[tropic warren]

Has anyone played around with the new lasguns? How do they play now compared to before or is it just a nothingburger

[frank basin]

Which lassy?

[tropic warren]

Oh I should have clarified my b. The infantry lasguns :)

[frank basin]

I love the autofire mod on iib

From the update

Is i guessing is more accurate

Lesser spread i believe

[tropic warren]

I’m kinda feeling like using that one

[frank basin]

More lassy boolets from parch

[frank basin]

On pc if you are, fullauto mod is funny

[tropic warren]

I might need that, I’ve been raw dogging vet for a while without it

[frank basin]

The efficiency blessing reduce time between shot from 4 to 0.5

Huge ammo saving like recon level rd size

[tropic warren]

Ah I’m gonna have to try that

[frank basin]

If you want hip firing for fun with full auto, 2b is play thing

But i don't know how the recoil and bloom look like after work

Maybe slight difference

[tight cave]

so, if we speak of plasma agian i should go crit+cleavage build, did i got it right?

[frank basin]

for light attack use, yes

[tight cave]

and about charge attack i shouldnt use it at all in current meta?

[frank basin]

niche use

[tight cave]

[frank basin]

but path the cat doesn't want charge attack

he is the meta'ist

[tight cave]

whats best melee weapon for plasma? Dueling sword, knife or maybe a shovel?

chainsword?

[frank basin]

are you that melee skill?

[tight cave]

no

[frank basin]

power falch is ease use than psword

psword is more dmg but skill play

[tight cave]

uhuh

[frank basin]

i think if your melee going play against soft target unarmored, chainsword is alright

[tight cave]

[tight cave]

what about dueling sword?

[frank basin]

it feel like against armored

[tight cave]

i just dont really have resources to upgrade power falchion or sword

[tall torrent]

worst horde clear melee in the game

[frank basin]

mostly against armored target but bad at group

[tight cave]

but as people said i use plasma for hordes, dont i?

[frank basin]

wrong

plasma is suck not explosive shot