Im more talking about the pickups you find around the map
#veteran-class
turbid ibex
south spindle
The situations where you need 12 rockets from a field improv crate, well, kinda dont exist
turbid ibex
16 with quad rocket talent
somber axle
Yeah fair LOL
south spindle
Everything that needs to be dead tends to be dead after one, two max
somber axle
At that point it's just goofing off
south spindle
It really is the best faliure fiesta prevention blitz in the game an its not even remotely close
somber axle
But if everything is dead after 1-2 rockets that's just clearing a wave or two and then being replenished for the next
turbid ibex
But yeah i think one way to indirectly nerf boom bringer/chem bomb would be to buff zealot and ogryn's non-replenishing blitzes
somber axle
Do Zealot fire nades need a buff
south spindle
Undoubtebly strong, but they're incredibly inflexible
turbid ibex
Do Zealot fire nades need a buff
Absolutely lmao
somber axle
I'm genuinely asking because idk
south spindle
Both RPG and Blackouts can be used pro-actively, the fish tins, not so much
somber axle
It does feel like the easy comparison is to Chem nade
turbid ibex
Both RPG and Blackouts can be used pro-actively, the fish tins, not so much
I'd say its the other way around tbh
Rpg and blackouts can be used reactively very well, but not chem bombs
somber axle
And if Chem nade is strong but feels fine and Fire nade is weaker that definitely make it easier to notice
south spindle
I'd say its the other way around tbh
I mean in the sense that they're aggressive and defensive tools, the chem bomb is kinda just area denial
Which Scum is already very good at because melee/ranged DPS
turbid ibex
I mean in the sense that they're aggressive and defensive tools, the chem bomb i...
It is but that is pretty strong
south spindle
It can be, but as I said, its inflexible
limpid veldt
does anyone have a good recon lasgun + melee build?
turbid ibex
Its also an extremely fast way to fully reset your stimm's cooldown if youre running sample collector lol
south spindle
Yeah there is that, but Blackouts + Pocket Toxin do that extremely well too, as does the booby trapped box + BPistol
south spindle
Im not sure it works like that, you'd have to ask @steep flower however BPistol hits a lot of stuff with the AoE version, so you're effectively capable of dropping everything into tox-death range very quickly
He's the one that used the build tho, not I
south spindle
Yeah, Zealot fire nades are p'bad at the moment
Though part of that is related to how DoT's scale
Tox being linear in its scaling and all the other DoTs not being so
turbid ibex
Im pretty sure fire nades dont even apply burn
tame lodge
tame lodge
Im pretty sure fire nades dont even apply burn
Doesn't apply burn
turbid ibex
Yep
somber axle
That's so goofy
south spindle
I thought it was treated as a DoT whilst they were stood in it no?
tame lodge
It's a hazard that deals between ~40 and ~130 damage
turbid ibex
Its pretty much a fire barrel
As soon as they leave the area they stop taking damage
warm gulch
tall torrent
Though part of that is related to how DoT's scale
Unrelated, actually
tame lodge
On a 0.5 to 1.25 seconds interval
turbid ibex
At least from what i understand
tall torrent
It’s not burn dot
south spindle
Huh, I stand corrected, what an ill concieved design
tall torrent
It uses a proprietary random damage tick
turbid ibex
They should remove the rng at the very least
tall torrent
Burn dot is actually good
steep flower
Wait does crate explosion get boosted from bistol
i don't think so cause its similar to chem nades or infernonades; surface related (worth testing tho but i go sleep)
turbid ibex
Unfortunate
turbid ibex
They should remove the rng at the very least
And make it actually apply burn as well
Also tbh i kinda wish zealot had some burn synergy stuff in their tree
But no all we get is bleed on the botton left of the tree
But back to zealot blitzes stun nades just need a shorter fuse and 1 or 2 extra charges
pseudo fiber
it's a fun place the mourningstar
hollow ibex
it's a fun place the mourningstar
is bro running the temu desperado build?
narrow frost
mystic pilot
How do you get the item sainted?
austere mica
Mods
tame lodge
https://tenor.com/view/sprout-dandys-world-sprout-dandys-world-gif-1523642816715...
Holy shit it started spazing out and I just got hit by strobe lights
austere mica
Yeah its just for ex vet players
tawdry turtle
I think it just displays them as red to see easier
west edge
how do you get sainted tier
distant plaza
mod
thin stone
@tall torrent is Recon Lasgun + PS6 Veteran viable in auric and hopefully havoc?
Or are the only viable builds the ones already in the guide?
tall torrent
Or are the only viable builds the ones already in the guide?
no, AGAIN, those are just sample builds
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> is Recon Lasgun + PS6 Veteran viable in auric and hopefull...
yea, as boring as recon lasgun is, yea
thin stone
Ok
bronze trout
Are laspistols still just straight better then lasguns?
narrow frost
in what regard?
bronze trout
I haven't played in a bit but from what I remember laspistols out performed regular lasguns in every metric other then ammo efficiency
somber axle
the infantry lasguns could be more useful for expeditions
it's the reverse damage falloff making infantry lasguns kinda weak right now because most engagements are happening where infantry lasgun is weakest for its ADMs while the laspistol has normal damage falloff and excels for the close-mid range engagements you tend to fight in
oh and better finesse
and better crit chance
plus instead of running Headhunter on the Infantry Lasgun you run something like Ghost on the Laspistol so you're safer while doing more damage
oh and like laspistols just handle flak way better
there was someone here saying they take their infantry lasgun into Havoc 40 for dreg seed maps where flak isn't as big of a problem
you can still run infantry lasguns on all difficulties you'll just sweat a bit more the higher you go
past peak
it's the reverse damage falloff making infantry lasguns kinda weak right now bec...
Nerf the recoil and it automatically becomes far better for the job they want it for anyway
silver patrol
the infantry lasguns could be more useful for expeditions
Nah
It will be even worse
somber axle
Nerf the recoil and it automatically becomes far better for the job they want it...
I agree but maybe it could get a tiny buff to flak adms so it's not crippling for maps with flak
serene bough
Better dmg across the board wouldn't go amiss either
I still think reverse fall off dmg should just be removed from the weapon at this point
turbid ibex
Agree on both
past peak
Agree on both
Name checks out
turbid ibex
So true bestie
pseudo fiber
I still think reverse fall off dmg should just be removed from the weapon at thi...
Exactly the close range damage should be the baseline
untold mulch
Still no hellgun 
serene bough
How does it feel old man
untold mulch
How does it feel old man
frigid shuttle
Still no hellgun <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
frigid shuttle
Hope is the only thing I got left
It is the first step on the road to damnation.
untold mulch
Shit, those damned on Nurgle side got Hotshot VolleyGuns
So maybe I do have to take a step there
somber axle
I think they should remove damage falloff from lasguns
from ALL lasguns would be maybe too much and too funny
can you imagine recons without damage falloff
laser pointer the game
errant carbon
Imagine if they added a Long-Las alongside the new open world mode and left infantry lasguns untouched
serene bough
from ALL lasguns would be maybe too much and too funny
Just ilas is ok
turbid ibex
I think we arent getting new weapons this update tbh
serene bough
Its poor close range performance is handicapped by its mobility and handling already at that range
untold mulch
Now if it didn't kick like a mule
and the light one was "automatic"
My hand already cramps thinking of using the light ILas once again
brave acorn
Time to bust out the vigilant autogun
serene bough
I like to maximize suffering so I use the IIb
somber axle
Just ilas is ok
yes please
remove the reverse damage falloff, adjust the recoil, slight bump to flak adm and the weapon would really shine
turbid ibex
Also boost to base damage
somber axle
also maybe no new weapons this update but expeditions puts the talk of the longlas back on the table depending on how that new game mode shakes out
tropic halo
also maybe no new weapons this update but expeditions puts the talk of the longl...
Another fine 365 days without new weapons
somber axle
as a side note what height do you put your Vet at
I was min height Vet for the longest time and then Rumbling Giants made me shove it to max height because I caught myself jumping to get a headshot over a Bulwark shield like I was trying to reach something off a shelf
no more jumping
turbid ibex
Max height for all human characters
sly orchid
short king vet
tame lodge
as a side note what height do you put your Vet at
Max it up
errant carbon
What if Headhunter Vigilant Autoguns got a scope with a modest magnification
And weapon special toggled it between normal ADS and zoom instead of bashing enemies with a wire stock (??) which you inexplicably have on a marksman rifle (????)
somber axle
scopes are a bad idea for current gameplay imo
the special sights for infantry lasguns are kinda as far as the close maps can justify
maybe something with a scope can get in depending on expeditions
serene bough
as a side note what height do you put your Vet at
My vet is short king
Actually all my characters are short king
somber axle
I want to return to short after this event is over
the game looks so weird when you're tall
last marten
qrd on vet sm?
turbid ibex
What
tame lodge
Yeah
turbid ibex
last marten
quick run down on veteran shock maul 👉 👈 😳
errant carbon
maybe something with a scope can get in depending on expeditions
It's expeditions I was thinking of yeah, and the zoom could be toggled anyway
errant carbon
quick run down on veteran shock maul 👉 👈 😳
Can be fun due to satisfying move set, actual performance is aggressively mid
tame lodge
quick run down on veteran shock maul 👉 👈 😳
No one would have guessed that
Bring something that can kill monstrosities
Because shock maul into monsters is just 
tame lodge
flint iris
quick run down on veteran shock maul 👉 👈 😳
shock maul counts as warp damage in game ❤️ !!! So...err... 🤷 thats the only cool factoid I like to rattle off when people ask about shock maul
its a jack of all trades, its great at doing everything but masters none of it
and its a great niche to fill
tame lodge
Me running Empowered Psyonics+Wall+Shock Maul so I can buff chain_lighting like crazy
flint iris
If you want something that slams hard and you looked at shmaul thinking it'd fill that niche then I suggest looking into Chax
fast shale
How many hours until the youtube folk share the new update details
hollow ibex
quick run down on veteran shock maul 👉 👈 😳
it's mid
hollow ibex
also mid, but chainsaw shaped
amber vortex
Nah
amber vortex
Fat shark really should just remove every weapon that isn't the chainsword
Its just that good
faint beacon
when are we expecting the news today?
Probably in a few hours they tend to wait like Mid-Day over there iirc
so my ass is just gonna play Zombies till I get a ping regarding the news
past plover
Probably in a few hours they tend to wait like Mid-Day over there iirc
it is late evenign already xD
serene bough
Its only 2:30pm here on the east coast
I forget when the hvs trailer dropped I think it was 3pm
turbid ibex
its 15 here
thorn lark
It's 7.23 pm here
deep bone
Helpfully veteran can get some new guns
silver patrol
yeah i'm sure
thick fern
Still need the rest of the Scion cosmetics
deep bone
Would love to see a new Infantry LasGun variant
Add the steel legion variant
Without the stock
My life would be yours Fatshork
tall torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xFLjYtkEo
infantry lasgun buff?
I can tell the sprint cost is way lower
thick fern
Or a long-las
deep bone
Infantry Las and Chainswords
thick fern
Bayonet for the Kantrael please
deep bone
Bayonet for the Kantrael please
Oh my
tame lodge
infantry lasgun buff?
I can tell the sprint cost is way lower
Lmfao
deep bone
I would be so happy
slow sky
stamina profile buff, ammo buff, unyielding adm buff, accuracy buff, efficiency at t4 now has a .5s wait time instead of 4s
tame lodge
Any Rock buffs?
slow sky
no freak you
deep bone
I want more scavenged looking skins for my LasGun so I can perfect the Savlar Chemdogs look
tame lodge
no freak you
Nuh uh
deep bone
Im Savlars Strongest Schizophrenic
thick fern
Love to see a heavy stubber or the Las equivalent too
deep bone
Love to see a heavy stubber or the Las equivalent too
Heavy Stubber would go hard
hollow ibex
Efficiency buff?
it's joever
deep bone
Mount that MF on a barricade and just let loose on a crowd
deep bone
Veteran has been eating good recently
I just hate that fs stole my Cadian helmet and put it in the store
tame lodge
Lasgun 2b spam for days
deep bone
Pissed me tf off
tall torrent
stamina profile buff, ammo buff, unyielding adm buff, accuracy buff, efficiency ...
this seems
quite restrictive
no flak ADM buff?
thick fern
Heavy Stubber would go hard
Not the heavy sorry just a regular stubber
deep bone
Lasgun 2b spam for days
I use the Mk.VII
tall torrent
0.5s efficiency restock is quite cool tho, makes shock trooper basically pointless for it
deep bone
Not the heavy sorry just a regular stubber
Still would be sick
slow sky
this seems
quite restrictive
no flak ADM buff?
if it had it i woulda said it
faint beacon
Unyielding buff is interesting
tall torrent
and class talent changes
slow sky
Unyielding buff is interesting
it feels really good tho
hollow ibex
this seems
quite restrictive
no flak ADM buff?
what if the unyielding buff is 3000% percent
tame lodge
0.5s efficiency restock is quite cool tho, makes shock trooper basically pointle...
2 points saved
deep bone
Ikr
Will not lie it really bugged me that they did that but tbh I wouldn’t run the outfit anyway now that I have my Savlar Chemdogs fit
faint beacon
probably good against Monstro's now
deep bone
I love the Chemdogs
faint beacon
like really good
tall torrent
what if the unyielding buff is 3000% percent
IX alrdy has 118.48~176.04% unyielding ADM
tall torrent
how much higher is it supposed to get, 176 across the board? or 176~?
thick fern
Will not lie it really bugged me that they did that but tbh I wouldn’t run the o...
I've got Krieg, Steel and Vostroyan and it still bothered me
Both Steel Legion fits too
tall torrent
So
u still need rending for it to do anything vs flak since flak ADM is unchanged
but efficiency buff does make the ammo situation significantly better, and prob changes the blessing picks
faint beacon
No recon anymore
I've always liked Ilas just Y'know felt lack luster vs Recon and Helby atm
these buffs might make it an actual Alternative to the Vigils so You'll probably see me use it a lot as well
like these DMR esc weapons
tall torrent
oh damn the armored hound is carapace from the front
faint beacon
Kid named Uncanny
hollow ibex
oh damn the armored hound is carapace from the front
wonderful...
steep flower
Expected
silver patrol
who the hell would push the dog and circle around it
tall torrent
@slow sky inf las ammo 110 / 930?
did they change that too
silver patrol
that sounds so silly if they want people to do that
tame lodge
Just dodge the dog and shoot it in the back from mid air
silver patrol
yeah but nobody got time to circle a dog
tame lodge
C'mon son
steep flower
that sounds so silly if they want people to do that
Fools don’t play their own game
tame lodge
@slow sky plasma nerf?
slow sky
<@142046391504601088> plasma nerf?
cleave for lmb down to 18
tame lodge
cleave for lmb down to 18
https://tenor.com/view/what-thats-it-thats-it-is-that-it-thats-all-mr-krabs-gif-11403128690757374518
pseudo fiber
they can nerf things?
tame lodge
It's kinda
pseudo fiber
oh my god
slow sky
https://tenor.com/view/what-thats-it-thats-it-is-that-it-thats-all-mr-krabs-gif-...
thats the difference of hitting 20 gunners down to 4
woven field
infy lasgun stonk go up
thick fern
No recon anymore
Always felt Recon should've been replaced with something more infantry focused anyway, just give us a hot-shot las or hot-shot volley or just something similar y'know?
Heavy, lumbering, static but with firepower
tame lodge
thats the difference of hitting 20 gunners down to 4
Yeah but still 5 dreg ragers 1 shot headshot so
silver patrol
braced lasgun
tall torrent
cleave for lmb down to 18
shud be lower still
slow sky
it should
tall torrent
cleave for lmb down to 18
any other plasma changes
plasma hipfire cleave shud be <5
thick fern
Still waiting for a plasma pistol
slow sky
any other plasma changes
wield time to .85 from 1
ammo cost for charged shots scales from 1-8 instead of 5-9
thick fern
We're never getting a Melta 😔
hollow ibex
did the m2 get buffed somehow?
slow sky
i cant link anything
tall torrent
wield time to .85 from 1
ammo cost for charged shots scales from 1-8 instead of ...
oh interesting
hollow ibex
besides ammo
slow sky
i can say what the changes are cuz theyre in the build that i can talk about now
tame lodge
Ok wield time
Might be cooking
slow sky
but the actual thing the notes are on i cant share
tame lodge
iLas buff is all I needed anyways 
hollow ibex
plasma cleave is 18 according to reginald
3 is a lot already lol
tame lodge
Get 00'd lol
tall torrent
ok so
plasma m1 cleave 18 (still very high)
plasma m2 has significantly lower ammo cost
wield time made faster so can reactively shoot better
atomic void
plasma basically got buffed lmao
silver patrol
m2 only has lower ammo cost?
atomic void
now watch the negative reviews
tall torrent
plasma basically got buffed lmao
?
slow sky
m2 only has lower ammo cost?
lower if you dont fully charge it
silver patrol
yeah like right now
slow sky
the minimum cost is lower, but it scales up to almost what it was before
atomic void
nothing of value was lost 
silver patrol
i wish i could make another negative review
slow sky
nothing of value was lost <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
you actually have to manually vent now
faint beacon
Damn the pack master applies the same debuff as Plasma Gunners do with decreased toughness gain also?
tall torrent
you actually have to manually vent now
no auto vent anymore? based
tame lodge
Wait
Does that mean M2 is now 36?
tall torrent
Wait
Does that mean M2 is now 36?
prob still 105
atomic void
you actually have to manually vent now
i have to engage with the mechanic that balanced the DELETE SCREEN gun? 
faint beacon
you actually have to manually vent now
Lmao, Plasma mains on Suicide watch
tall torrent
ur paying charge time for a 105 cleave atk
tame lodge
Ok so it'll still work like getting ~50% charge on M1
slow sky
no auto vent anymore? based
no its because the kill gooder mode is now strictly charged
all that cleave is only on charged
lmb still has auto vent
silver patrol
why do you think that
atomic void
lmb still has auto vent
so lmb doesnt have 18 or 16 cleave or whatever?
tall torrent
so lmb doesnt have 18 or 16 cleave or whatever?
prob smth like
left click still uses the 52.5% charge profile, but has cleave overwritten to 18
so dmg, stagger, etc all the same
same breakpoints
atomic void
ic
tall torrent
same auto vent
m2 can do way more mixed horde dmg (due to still having 105 cleave) and less ammo cost than before
so ur paying charge time for that dmg
that's my vague understanding of it
tame lodge
why do you think that
There should be a point now where charged shot ammo to damage ratio works better for boss dps
But this is just a theory
tall torrent
I don't think this is the best way they could have done it
silver patrol
why, it's not like m2 was buffed in damage or m1 nerfed in damage
tall torrent
m1 cleave I was expecting like 5.5 or less
tame lodge
why, it's not like m2 was buffed in damage or m1 nerfed in damage
Yeah
But ammo to damage ratio might be better now for M2 (pending tests)
So we'll see
tame lodge
All you have to do now is surpass M1 spam boss dps
So that means better boss dps
Anyways, testings to be done
silver patrol
sorry i don't really get you
tame lodge
So it's just a theory
tame lodge
sorry i don't really get you
Eh don't worry about it
tall torrent
@slow sky any class talent changes & other weapon changes
atomic void
reginald summed up the changes in an 8 minute vid
most noteably pickpocket got changed
tame lodge
Ogryn rock is insta kill against the targets it should insta kill
tall torrent
reginald summed up the changes in an 8 minute vid
send
atomic void
and ogryn bombas installkill all humans
tame lodge
Oh not only rock?
Pog
atomic void
oh already got linked
atomic void
Oh not only rock?
Pog
rock is all specials
frag all humans
maulers ragers ect ect
they get caught in the blast they die
nothing for box but box serves its purpose anyway
pseudo fiber
he also just mentioned falchion buffs as im watching
slow sky
he also just mentioned falchion buffs as im watching
5-10% dmg on powered attacks depending on the attack
silver patrol
VoC ate shit again?
tall torrent
10s CD nerf good
stance duration buff did we need this
infil CD & dmg linger buff we did need this
hollow ibex
stance duration buff did we need this
every class now has a scriers gaze
atomic void
where's my scrier's gaze on zoolet
tall torrent
so EVERYBODY except vet and og have 0.5s stam regen delay base?
turbid ibex
pretty sure yeah
atomic void
ogryn got 50% dr while dodging
hollow ibex
pickpocket nerf
serene bough
hi are notes released yet
faint beacon
veteran gets 50% ranged cleave??
Fucking EXCUSE me?
pseudo fiber
no
tall torrent
now they just need to nerf psyker toughness to 50
tall torrent
Fucking EXCUSE me?
it's actually gonna be pretty small
because almost all guns in this game have very low base cleave
ur 1.5 cleave becomes 2.75, that kind of thing
tho I will say, this sounds at least interesting vs field improv/serrated blade
atomic void
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVV-bj2jdLU new boss footage
serene bough
May be cool for bolter/helbore/plasma
faint beacon
What im thinking
serene bough
Maybe revolver
faint beacon
heavier rifles would want it
I doubt Vigils
But hey Ilas buff is pretty interesting
faint beacon
Now I'll have TWO weapons I use frequently
tall torrent
falchion 5~10% more for all activated attacks' first target dmg
turbid ibex
stance duration buff did we need this
it does mean we might be able to skip out on subnodes for exestance builds
tall torrent
Also oversaw Falchion buffs
it's barely changed in any meaningful way
tall torrent
no move speed curve change mentioned
no atk speed change mentioned
it went from needing 8~10 buffs to needing 7~9 buffs
pseudo fiber
maybe six or seven buffs
turbid ibex
perish
silver patrol
maybe at this rate it will be competitive in 2034
pseudo fiber
atomic void
i wanna make a new vet but the thought of having to play lower diffs for 10000000 hours scares me greatly
faint beacon
i wanna make a new vet but the thought of having to play lower diffs for 1000000...
The Denizens of Darktide
tall torrent
@slow sky reginald says plasma wield time slowed down, so is it from 0.85 to 1s?
tame lodge
zealot gets 0.5s stam regen delay
Oh so they just killed the stamina on crit talent
Cool
slow sky
<@142046391504601088> reginald says plasma wield time slowed down, so is it from...
Wield action speed multiplier from 1.0 to 0.85 (slowed down)
tame lodge
Also they heard me saying that psyker was top 3 pa spammer in the game and made a 4th one
tall torrent
> Wield action speed multiplier from 1.0 to 0.85 (slowed down)
ok thx
tall torrent
We don't have to ask more buffs about it, right?
lol
tame lodge
Buffslop
tall torrent
it's the same weapon
turbid ibex
as if 5-10% damage is nearly enough to make a significant difference
tall torrent
falchion deserves about as many buffs as scrier's gaze did
atomic void
We don't have to ask more buffs about it, right?
yeah u should ask for the rest to get nuked
hollow ibex
it's like dclaw
faint beacon
It's honestly being shown that its clearly meant to be a weapon you want powered on 24/7
pseudo fiber
hollow ibex
they're going to keep buffing random shit on falch
faint beacon
so im probably just gonna
hollow ibex
and ignore the elephant in the room
faint beacon
Run Overload + Cranial on it till the end of time
tall torrent
as if 5-10% damage is nearly enough to make a significant difference
it is adjusted for base, so u can think of it like multiplier x1.05, x1.1, etc
but it's not big
tall torrent
ooh this is cool
gilded pike
bit meh for a grind reward
pseudo fiber
duality of man
faint beacon
That helmet is chud coded
tall torrent
helmet is ass tho
faint beacon
Cool armor though
tall torrent
armor looks nice
gilded pike
the helmet doesn't look quite coherent
tame lodge
frag all humans
Cool
I got bored of scab rages surviving
Because muh carapace chest
atomic void
somehow still feels not enough cause rocket exists xdddd
tall torrent
ogryn getting another fucking DR and it's x50% is waoh
atomic void
im getting 1 million dmg each event game by simply shooting rockets at packs
insane level of skill displayed
tall torrent
ogryn getting another fucking DR and it's x50% is waoh
DR talents' stocks surely go down with this
atomic void
i had people glazing me and im like bro i shot my blitz 
faint beacon
i had people glazing me and im like bro i shot my blitz <:ICANT:9265906327204700...
no you dont understand
we're shit and you're good
cause you Pressed G and then M1
tall torrent
like there's no fucking way u need to stack more DR on top of an x0.8 global, a 0.75 TDR, and a x0.5 global
atomic void
and i aimed at the floor
tame lodge
What's the Ogryn dr change?
faint beacon
Holy skill
tame lodge
I am not quite up with it yet
atomic void
like there's no fucking way u need to stack more DR on top of an x0.8 global, a ...
sorry bro according to ogryn chat the class is too squishy
faint beacon
What's the Ogryn dr change?
on Dodge gain like 50% DR?
tall torrent
What's the Ogryn dr change?
50% DR in place of dodge linger
tame lodge
Thought that was Arby's
atomic void
honestly that's arby
tall torrent
I will also say
faint beacon
Not saying it isn't
tame lodge
But like
atomic void
i need more brain power playing ogryn
tall torrent
I think the biggest winner of inf las is prob gonna be IIb?
atomic void
simply because no doge linger
faint beacon
Im gonna to testing with them once the buffs drop
tame lodge
That's facetanking gunners after a dodge
faint beacon
Im more interested in IX and VII
tame lodge
For free
tall torrent
Im more interested in IX and VII
no actual dmg changes outside unyielding ADM
so not rly better breakpoints
not sure on blessing build tbh
faint beacon
I'll still fuck around with them
faint beacon
Effeciency buff is neat
faint beacon
HH + Eff + Shocktrooper might be an insane way to just always have ammo
tall torrent
HH + Eff + Shocktrooper might be an insane way to just always have ammo
also pretty pointless
turbid ibex
tame lodge
Oh my
turbid ibex
ogryn dodge dr is during dodge and 0.25s
turbid ibex
also other stuff
tame lodge
mortal horizon
so listening to a video, i havent read the notes - power falchion got a 5-10% buff to dmg in powered form?
but really it needed better powered form up-time, ya? lol seems like a weird buff what do you think @tall torrent ?
pseudo fiber
guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
my infinite ammo guyssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
I habe to melee :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
mortal horizon
my infinite ammo guyssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
its literally the same, just have to melee. pretty light nerf for how strong it is lmao
very very fair change
might not even be enough lol
pseudo fiber
tall torrent
it does mean we might be able to skip out on subnodes for exestance builds
but ogryn refresh is good by itself in the first place
turbid ibex
but ogryn refresh is good by itself in the first place
its prob still worth the point but having the option is going to be nice
sly orchid
Except the pistol ult
mortal horizon
hivescum is more or less my 'main' since it came out, and this is a MORE than fair change to pickpocket lol
very lucky it wasnt way worse
hollow ibex
guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
of course reddit is crying already
pseudo fiber
Hive scum players when they must hit M1 one time
mortal horizon
Hive scum players when they must hit M1 one time
to be fair it might have to be a heavy m1
kind of spooky!
willow canyon
Hive scum players when they must hit M1 one time
They have to actually get close 😱 
tame lodge
sand anchor
i wanna make a new vet but the thought of having to play lower diffs for 1000000...
I have two level 30 vets lol. For fun I suppose
heavy rover
exe stance buffs sound pretty interesting
hollow ibex
oh yeah what did they change there?
heavy rover
Duration extended
latent star
The duration was already pretty good IMO
heavy rover
Plus power falchion buff
latent star
I don't think the falchion buff will matter but we'll see
unkempt lodge
hollow ibex
I don't think the falchion buff will matter but we'll see
yeah it won't really, doesn't address any of the core issues falch has
serene bough
maybe headhunter + efficiency/DA?
Im probably gonna go ghost + efficiency
for IIb
Idk if DA will push any meaningful breakpoints
latent star
Unless the 5-10% buffs let it hit some breakpoints that were previously just out of reach its still gonna be pretty meh as a weapon.
tall torrent
Idk if DA will push any meaningful breakpoints
reaper 1 shot on IX
hollow ibex
i think they buffed first target damage too
so it should have better horde clear overall
serene bough
With or without exe stance
hollow ibex
but once again, not really the issuew ith falch
latent star
It isn't quite good enough while powered up to justify how weak it is while unpowered, and that isn't changed.
tall torrent
With or without exe stance
with, ofc
latent star
Cleave node will be interesting for Helbore builds IMO
nova carbon
Guys since Leon Kennedy is closest to a darktide vet what sort of one liners do you think he would have if he was in darktide?
latent star
I don't think Exe stance needed a buff but I also ain't gonna complain about it.
nova carbon
Guys since Leon Kennedy is closest to a darktide vet what sort of one liners do ...
Im thinking - "He's a packmaster ? no wonder he moved out so fast"
serene bough
Then it seems IX and IIb will be the winners from these buffs
latent star
Guys since Leon Kennedy is closest to a darktide vet what sort of one liners do ...
Probably something about kibble after dodging a pox hound.
nova carbon
Probably something about kibble after dodging a pox hound.
Youv'e gotta be kibbling me?
latent star
Oof.jpg
nova carbon
Chaos spawn? It sure was screaming like a petulant child
latent star
"Clock's ticking" when you hear five hundred poxbursters
tall torrent
Cleave node will be interesting for Helbore builds IMO
up to 9 effective cleave with hotshot
it's gonna be
something
pseudo fiber
Back up path the real veteran experts are here
latent star
Yeah, not sure if it will be good but there's potential
nova carbon
"Clock's ticking" when you hear five hundred poxbursters
And not - your time is up?
willow prairie
Back up path the real veteran experts are here
boom getting insta kill override damn
not like it can compete with scum rocket but eh its nice
nova carbon
oh i got another one - A captain? Looks like his was a sinking ship
latent star
Grenade balance in this game is super weird, maybe they'll look into it some day.
willow prairie
shield nerf?
I think barrage need more than duration and refund ammo tbh
50% isn't good enough
nova carbon
And of course - Time to pick at some scabs (Leon Kennedy before going to war with wolfer)
fading yarrow
Where can I see all the Vet changes?
nova carbon
The karnak twins? They were both so ugly i could not tell (Leon kennedy if he was in darktide)
tall torrent
shield nerf?
what shield nerf
hollow ibex
what shield nerf
60s one prob
willow prairie
I haven't open th game up in weeks
tall torrent
cd?
VoC nerf from 30s to 40s
bubble shield nerf from 45s to 60s
the rest of psyker's abilities also need nerf tbh (except the wall shield)
shriek and SG could honestly be 60s abilities too
psyker is just that op
willow prairie
I don't think any amount of buff gonna make wall shield good tbh
serene bough
I don't think any amount of buff gonna make wall shield good tbh
I think giving it offensive capability would be a nice side grade (i.e. shooting through gives 25% dmg buff)
nova carbon
I think giving it offensive capability would be a nice side grade (i.e. shooting...
Or you could make it move
like a small hp buffer that projects in front of you
muted valley
Plasma Gun no longer has Infinite Cleave on Light Attack.
No more Light Attack Spam!
hollow ibex
it was never infinite anyway
silver patrol
that's functionally infinite cleave
willow prairie
it's 18 cleave bro
isn't it 40
willow prairie
it was never infinite anyway
i mean it basically infinite in auric
but yeah
"in auric"
muted valley
Well, regardless of what numbers are. FatShark nerfed it's Cleave on Light Attacks so it won't be able to just Spam-Cleave through everything now.
silver patrol
pretty sure it's 18 now
hollow ibex
well that's like 4 reapers 😭
tame lodge
M1 has 50 M2 100 or was it 105
Anyways
The upcoming M1 will have 18
silver patrol
no i'm pretty sure it will still be light spam lol
tall torrent
18 is still too much
willow prairie
18 still let you snipe special in horde
tame lodge
5 dreg Ragers insta killed with m1
tall torrent
shud be 6.5 at most
tame lodge
This is a nerf but not a huge one
willow prairie
even with havoc hitmass
silver patrol
was that really the problem tho
tame lodge
That's what I'm saying
There's a point where the damage to ammo ratio is actually worth using
tall torrent
because the current m2 is 5~9 ammo cost, but u actually can't fire it below 7 ammo cost
tall torrent
the min charge m2 deals 42~50% more dmg compared to m2
if u can fire min charge m2 at 3 ammo then it is 100% worth going for
u just lose some charge time
lone escarp
Time to make a exe stance lasgun build yippee
narrow torrent
Range cleave with recon lasgun wooooo
tall torrent
I don't think any amount of buff gonna make wall shield good tbh
they made the shield wall bigger
psyk aura nerfed to 50% CD rate instead of current 60%
lol barely a change
tame lodge
Longer wall is funny
orchid hemlock
shud be 6.5 at most
67
willow prairie
psyker upscale
pseudo fiber
they made the shield wall bigger
so funny
tall torrent
veteran:
exe stance duration buffed from 5s to 6s (ogryn subnode buffed from 8s to 9s)
VoC CD nerfed from 30s to 40s (OID no longer penalizes stagger radius & CD)
infiltrate CD buffed from 45s to 40s, dmg linger buffed from 5s to 8s
willow prairie
double the length real
willow prairie
still 30% damage?
tall torrent
ye
willow prairie
exe already like
easy to upkeep after recent change
i don't think it needed buff
narrow torrent
I doubt it’ll get people off Voice anyways
tall torrent
zealot's stamina aura now also reduces stam regen delay by 0.15s for everyone in coherency with u (this is huge)
distant plaza
Can’t wait for scoreboard and other mods to break in a few days 
willow prairie
scoreboard fuck with performance so bad i get like 10+ more fps on average without it
using powerdi
hollow ibex
veteran:
exe stance duration buffed from 5s to 6s (ogryn subnode buffed from 8s ...
kinda a pathetic infil buff
hollow ibex
should just replace the ability tbh
tall torrent
FS wanted a stealth ult for vet
calm prairie
this studio and its bars man
you can have overall match timer, but not valkyrie arrival timer
chills
willow prairie
kind reminder that numericui isn't vanills
calm prairie
or during the beta the weapon stats were just bars without any number value assigned LOL
tame lodge
zealot's stamina aura now also reduces stam regen delay by 0.15s for everyone in...
Oh wow
willow prairie
zealot having 3 good auras in the big 2026
stamina one effectively have 1 tax node but its amazing
I refuse to path through right side middle tree
tidal yew
Does anyone know a powerful bulid for Sparehead bolter gun and chainsaw sword for the veteran class?
tall torrent
stamina one effectively have 1 tax node but its amazing
good balance is pretty good
tall torrent
Does anyone know a powerful bulid for Sparehead bolter gun and chainsaw sword fo...
there're unfortunately no powerful chainsword builds on vet
willow prairie
I usually take both frenzy and providence in havoc
tidal yew
there're unfortunately no powerful chainsword builds on vet
What about the chainsaw axe?
willow prairie
same story
tall torrent
What about the chainsaw axe?<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
it's quite a bit better
tall torrent
What about the chainsaw axe?<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
try this
chainaxe 12 (flak, carapace, headtaker, slaughterer)
boltgun 3 (unyielding, flak, pinning fire, fire frenzy)
tidal yew
try this
chainaxe 12 (flak, carapace, headtaker, slaughterer)
boltgun 3 (unyield...
Will do
narrow torrent
How much cleave stat does the torrent recon las have?
narrow torrent
Forgot about that ngl
tall torrent
How much cleave stat does the torrent recon las have?
XII and VIc, 1.5
XIV, 3
narrow torrent
1.5 cleave + the new 50% range cleave node. So 2.25 cleave. 
willow prairie
that like 1 chaff
narrow torrent
that like 1 chaff
I do like spraying into chaff
tall torrent
that like 1 chaff
helbore with hotshot + WF gets up to 9 effective cleave
silver patrol
what about shotguns
tall torrent
manstopper alrdy exists
silver patrol
right it's on all of them
ebon inlet
this skill any worth?
silver patrol
basically all las guns use it
ebon inlet
is the infantry las any good?
turbid ibex
if you are using any of the lasguns yes
silver patrol
is the infantry las any good?
not at the moment
turbid ibex
is the infantry las any good?
next update will give it some buffs but we will have to see if theyre enough
tame lodge
is the infantry las any good?
Currently low to mid
ebon inlet
alright
tame lodge
Wait for the update
silver patrol
the buffs really didn't seem enough honestly
ebon inlet
well i hate the recon so
narrow torrent
Rip
ebon inlet
feel like the only good ranged gun class is scum
turbid ibex
recon 💤
ebon inlet
like veteran fell off (probably very untrue
turbid ibex
veteran was never a gun only class
willow prairie
recon las enjoyer when they have to kill something in 2 seconds instead of 20
silver patrol
feel like the only good ranged gun class is scum
oh don't worry, they got shot
ebon inlet
veteran was never a gun only class
sadly thats what i want
narrow torrent
Helbore las is pretty great but you’ll probably have to melee the chaff that swarm you
dreamy spade
Plasma gun HUGE nerf
turbid ibex
Plasma gun HUGE nerf
clueless
tame lodge
like veteran fell off (probably very untrue
Yeah very untrue
While Scum shoots a lot of bullets
Vet is able to shoot better bullets
turbid ibex
or lasers
tame lodge
Psyker
I fucking love the iLas/Helbore because I can shoot the whole game without ever needing to get an ammo tin
Specially when Arbites/Scum release
They all were red and I was just bragging shooting everything that moved
narrow torrent
Thats how this game works
Nuh uh, I just shoot everything for 95% of the game
narrow torrent
Hive Scum, Psyker, Vet my beloved
Maybe Gunlugger if the new buffs to heavy stubber/PBB are enough
tame lodge
Twinks got a nudge
Hope achlys isn't a peashooter anymore
And I haven't seen any direct ammo buff to them
So gorgon might still not have ammo
narrow torrent
The reduced spread is kinda sorta an ammo buff if you squint
narrow torrent
I’ll enjoy my reconlas being able to cleave one extra chaff
bold sierra
INF LASGUNS STONKS
POWER SABRE STONKS
EXEC STANCE STONKS
Plasma got a pretty decent minor rework, nice
bold sierra
Calm down about Falchion
🥀
bold sierra
but it is nice tho, even if it's just dmg buff
I play A LOT of Power Sabre in H40s, and honestly I think it was arleady pretty good be4, but that dmg buff is still welcomed
bold sierra
100%
i wonder how much inf lasgun's ammo economy is buffed
I also play inf lasgun a lot in H40s, dont even use Shocktrooper with it
that buffed ammo eco will be nice
tame lodge
Efficiency got a very substantial buff
Meaning that if you shoot every time it's up
The 2b only uses 1 ammo
bold sierra
Efficiency got a very substantial buff
oh? Is that the one that lets you not spend ammo every sth-sec?
tame lodge
So in theory you get a 1000 shots
tame lodge
oh? Is that the one that lets you not spend ammo every sth-sec?
Yes
bold sierra
So in theory you get a 1000 shots
god damn
tame lodge
Currently it's every 4 seconds
bold sierra
But the update will buff it to every 0.5s
that is substantial.
tame lodge
Fast shooting
bold sierra
2b is the greenish one yeah
nice, that's my most used one
well...the only one I use that is lol
all in all, VERY nice
VoC deservingly got a cooldown nerf
tame lodge
bold sierra
nice
tall torrent
Meaning that if you shoot every time it's up
The 2b only uses 1 ammo
IX and VII ammo go from 3 to 1 with efficiency, so it's better for them
bold sierra
IX and VII ammo go from 3 to 1 with efficiency, so it's better for them
probably will be nicer for the orange than the blue one, cuz it's still 0.5s and if you spam with blue you're still gonna be spending full ammo cost a lot
tall torrent
probably will be nicer for the orange than the blue one, cuz it's still 0.5s and...
It’s better for IX yes
But overall biggest winner I think is IIb (blue)
Unyielding adm buff would be good
Shame no flak adm change
silver patrol
oh surely the flak adm can't be that bad right?
hollow ibex
i'll prob stick to helbores
silver patrol
what do you mean you lose at least 40% damage to flak
hollow ibex
truly the dclaw of ranged weapons
tall torrent
oh surely the flak adm can't be that bad right?
49~61% flak ADM
silver patrol
or the damn shredder
tall torrent
Cooked
It’s joever buddy
They rly be thinking a 49% flak adm in 2026 is ok
Very funny fatshark
willow prairie
yeah they're only like 60% of the enemies
hollow ibex
They rly be thinking a 49% flak adm in 2026 is ok
how much is dclaw lol
tall torrent
how much is dclaw lol
Forgor
hollow ibex
i wonder which one has lower flak adm, on average
bold sierra
what do you mean you lose at least 40% damage to flak
honestly it maybe so, but im still one-shotting H40 scab gunners w/ 1-2 headshots so doesnt matter that much xD
tall torrent
honestly it maybe so, but im still one-shotting H40 scab gunners w/ 1-2 headshot...
How is it a one shot if u need 2 headshots
bold sierra
How is it a one shot if u need 2 headshots
yeah goofy me with my silly sentence
but it can one-shot here and there at certain range think, with crit and/or exec stance
but typically 2 shots
using the green ilas. My issue was msotly the ammo-consumption b4 tbh, it wasn't bad but it was enough so that I felt I needed to reload a lot more than I'd like, and during a lot of high-pressue sitches. The Efficiency buff will be AMAZING for that.
ALSO, what I'm super excited for as well is the bigger hitbox for the shots, THAT will be nice for headshots
tall torrent
but it can one-shot here and there at certain range think, with crit and/or exec...
Needs crit
bold sierra
Needs crit
or just exec stance
gilded wraith
IX and VII ammo go from 3 to 1 with efficiency, so it's better for them
What is "efficiency" referring to with the lasguns?
bold sierra
Stance is not enough for gunner 1 taps on VII
lemme check again, I'm PRETTY SURE I tested it, tho it coulda been dreg gunner.
gentle lake
somber axle
VII one taps crit headshot on flak gunners with at least 7 stacks of MMF without Exe Stance but needs 2 taps even with crit on 6 and below
with rending strikes even just that extra +10% rending lets you get a one tap crit headshot on flak gunners at 3 MMF stacks
fickle narwhal
90 of precision on the vet chest penitence is 90% at head?
tall torrent
90 of precision on the vet chest penitence is 90% at head?
90% having dealt damage to enemies
fickle narwhal
and this chest, can i keep geting by enemies if my hp don't goes down by a hit? or a simple hit counts?
tall torrent
and this chest, can i keep geting by enemies if my hp don't goes down by a hit? ...
Only checks health damage from melee
fickle narwhal
90% having dealt damage to enemies
90% danage with the gun?
or 90% enemies hited
it's confusing
somber axle
actually wait this probably depends on distance but with rending strikes I can 1 tap crit headshot flak gunners without any MMF stacks
that might be what they were talking about earlier
no exe stance, no MMF, no other buffs base lasgun and a few passive nodes in the tree like precision strikes, the +10% ranged node and superiority complex
on the VII
for Auric
that's without any skirmisher stacks so you could probably end up skipping superiority complex and hitting the 1HKO crit headshot on flak gunners pretty consistently
bold sierra
Stance is not enough for gunner 1 taps on VII
yeah it can one-tap Scab Gunner with MMF exec stance, even up close. Tho recently Ive been using other keystone paths so it's 2-shots, 1 non-crit headshot leaves it at like 30-40% HP. Can one-shot dreg gunners with 1 headshot somewhat reliably tho.
and yes this is H40 modifier
tall torrent
yeah it can one-tap Scab Gunner with MMF exec stance, even up close. Tho recentl...
U said stance
As in, stance by itself
tall torrent
and yes this is H40 modifier
H40 wouldn’t be 1700 tho
bold sierra
H40 wouldn’t be 1700 tho
i'm aware, but if you one-shot enemies in H40 Psykanium, it shows the Damnation's HP.
tall torrent
Wack
U can check it very easily actually
Without h40 mod
Just shoot scab rager in the head
bold sierra
As in, stance by itself
well if we're to be specific, SURE i guess, my bad.
tall torrent
He’s only 50hp off from h40 scab gunner
bold sierra
He’s only 50hp off from h40 scab gunner
dont worry man, i aint trying to bullshit you, it is H40
tall torrent
Yea I just don’t trust the mod
bold sierra
Yea I just don’t trust the mod
I even brought out calculator be4 lol, had to calculate Crusher's health on there VS in-game, it checks out
tall torrent
I still don’t trust these kinds of mods
bold sierra
I still don’t trust these kinds of mods
alright then what ya need me to check lol
silver patrol
are you using weapon customization
tall torrent
With MF + stance + crit, it can reach 1 tap headshot I think?
But it’s a massive amount of investment that take away a lot of good things elsewhere
It’s been the issue with vet tree since 1.9+
bold sierra
But it’s a massive amount of investment that take away a lot of good things else...
tis why I dont really play MMF that much these days lol, I'm cool with 2 headshots, or 1 headshot+1 body.
just saying that it can
bold sierra
are you using weapon customization
no I'm not
bold sierra
With MF + stance + crit, it can reach 1 tap headshot I think?
well you dont need crit for that to one-shot, just 15 MF stacks and stance at any range, tho it might require less MF stacks tho but whatever.
tall torrent
well you dont need crit for that to one-shot, just 15 MF stacks and stance at an...
Nah I’m fairly certain it requires crit
bold sierra
Nah I’m fairly certain it requires crit
did you account for killzone?
cuz that's what I have
tall torrent
did you account for killzone?
247.5 damage
48.96% flak ADM
2 finesse
15 stack MF (+112.5% finesse)
Superiority complex +15% damage
+30% weakspot damage
+10% ranged damage
Killzone +15% ranged damage
This is still nowhere enough to hit 2550 on flak head
Even with stance it’s quite far off
bold sierra
247.5 damage
48.96% flak ADM
2 finesse
15 stack MF (+112.5% finesse)
Superiority...
this is the dmg I dealt taht didn't insta-kill, so it is 2550 Hp for the Scab Gunner definitely, just confirming that
bold sierra
247.5 damage
48.96% flak ADM
2 finesse
15 stack MF (+112.5% finesse)
Superiority...
and to reiterate, at 15 MF stacks + stance, I did need to be at least 13m to one-shot, so ig it's not at point blank also.
Also I have 25% flak + 10% elite dmg on my ilas so that's also another thing.
Unless you wanna throw in another "not including that" then yeah, ig it's mb.
I'm assuming we're ticking all the basics here
tall torrent
i'll test
the thing is, u need to get dmg buff equivalent to more than 10x the gun's base
which I don't think is possible without crit
bold sierra
which I don't think is possible without crit
but it is non-crit
yellow is non-crit
and yes I'm aware FS for some reason decided to switch it around for that ages ago
tall torrent
but it is non-crit
which is why I think smth is wrong
bold sierra
which is why I think smth is wrong
I mean I've played with it in H40s before as well you know, obviously it's not a controlled environment and I wasnt able to reliably one-shot scab gunners like in psyka, but I have done it
not reliably ofc
cuz havoc
bold sierra
yea, I believe the 1 shots are crit dependent
it is I agree, practically-speaking.
but just math-wise, you CAN one-shot with non-crit headshot with 15 MMF stacks + stance + at least 13m lol
well, with 25% flak + 10% elite dmg, and certain tree nodes yada yada
but obviously, I'm not going to take it as sth SUPER reliable and consistent, 2 shots is more than fine
tall torrent
but just math-wise, you CAN one-shot with non-crit headshot with 15 MMF stacks +...
just checked, no
at ~13m, 1925 on headshot
bold sierra
just checked, no
you got rending strike and chink in their armor?
tall torrent
not CITA
bold sierra
just checked, no
just curious, what exactly are you using to check, i'm using soloplay so who knows, might be different
tall torrent
just curious, what exactly are you using to check, i'm using soloplay so who kno...
just shoot scab rager in the head
bold sierra
just shoot scab rager in the head
wel that's weird, how u get 1925 then?
bold sierra
just shoot scab rager in the head
this is the crit I got on scab rager headshot
tall torrent
wel that's weird, how u get 1925 then?
First turn mod off, then test
bold sierra
First turn mod off, then test
i'm in normal Auric Psykanium right now, kills Scab Rager in 1 non-crit headshot with stance + 15 MMF stacks at 13m
tall torrent
i'm in normal Auric Psykanium right now, kills Scab Rager in 1 non-crit headshot...
What’s ur talent tree
bold sierra
What’s ur talent tree
the 1 point left cuz I took off deadshot
gilded wraith
Am I overlooking something on the new cleave node? It seems like most ranged weapons have a small enough cleave that it will have minimal impact?
silver patrol
yeah
hollow ibex
it'll be niche
tall torrent
Am I overlooking something on the new cleave node? It seems like most ranged we...
It’s for guns with 3+ cleave
hollow ibex
revolver might be kinda funny
gilded wraith
Why in the world was Reginald selling it as a major buff for vets in the video?
silver patrol
yeah i mean
narrow torrent
YouTuber does YouTuber things
silver patrol
he also sold the pickpocket changes as a throaway note so
bold sierra
I think the 50% cleave will help out Bolter a bit, and agripana inf autogun w/ Deathspitter.
hollow ibex
i just realized
tall torrent
Why in the world was Reginald selling it as a major buff for vets in the video?
Because he doesn’t know enough
narrow torrent
How does shocktrooper/crits interact with cleaved hits anyways?
gilded wraith
I just remember the helbore cleave blessing that is almost never selected.
tall torrent
How does shocktrooper/crits interact with cleaved hits anyways?
no interaction between crit and cleave unless u have blessings that change it
silver patrol
i forgot braced existed
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so what'd you find?
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if you somehow still getting 1900sth i'd be flabberghasted tbh
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I had the same ranged related dmg nodes as u
hollow ibex
i forgot braced existed
so did fatshart
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no interaction between crit and cleave unless u have blessings that change it
I mean like, if I cleaved and hit 2 enemies total with a lasgun. Does it crit on the 2nd one if the initial hit is a crit? Does shocktrooper proc on both crits? Sort of deal.
bold sierra
I had the same ranged related dmg nodes as u
just throwing ideas here but could it have beent he blue inf las?
silver patrol
a crit is on the shot itself pretty sure
bold sierra
but given how you like to be thorough, I assume not.
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So can shocktrooper proc multiple times off the same shot hitting multiple enemies?
silver patrol
i mean in theory, but it's not like it refunds a shot
gilded wraith
I think the 50% cleave will help out Bolter a bit, and agripana inf autogun w/ D...
Slug round shottie maybe?
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i mean in theory, but it's not like it refunds a shot
Oh right, forgot how it was worded
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just throwing ideas here but could it have beent he blue inf las?
I am testing VII
bold sierra
50% cleave node will actually make it so that Agripana Infantry AUTOGUN with 3-5 stacks of Deathspitter able to cleave through A LOT of enemies that other 2 marks can't, even H40 21st moebian.
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gets somewhere around 2.3k ~ 2.4k on flak headshot
bold sierra
so I'm actually quite excited
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at 13m
bold sierra
at 13m
honestly I was probably around 13-15m give or take, the dmg can vary pretty wildly just by 1m
the tagging isnt that reliable
gilded wraith
so I'm actually quite excited
Was that the X?