veteran-class

[tall torrent]

only real downside is that psyker is prob the worst solo/duo class but I doubt that matters for how you'll play

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-angry-shoe-throw-dodge-gif-5298606

[atomic void]

legendary moment

[hollow ibex]

pretty good dodges by bush tbh

[tidal fox]

he shoulda used a gun instead

[torpid grotto]

He had ranged dodge longer

Linge

[tame lodge]

It's ok
Recon wouldn't be good on Hiver anyways

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-geneva-convention-warcrime-war-metal-gear-rising-gif-25207866

[mental barn]

Recon lasgun is scorching ray

but in warhammer]

and the sound

OMG

BRRRRRRRRRR

[tame lodge]

Just kill the target dawg 🗣️

However

Dots build

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-hmm-thinking-smile-gif-12571277

[mental barn]

I thought dots is a great idea

but then it seems the max stacks are capped

and the enemies I would need to burn the most barely take any burn damage

still comes out at like 7 to 9 % damage per run so probably worth the infernus slot

but I do sometimes wonder whether it is a little overrated because at some point 10 patches ago it was better than this

[turbid ibex]

what are you running for the second blessing

[mental barn]

Having the cowardly trapper that just got away burn to death 2 sec later is still satisfying though

dumdum

[turbid ibex]

aight 👍

[mental barn]

there is the one that gives strength for kills that I tried before but I am not good enough to consistently keep it up with the 3.5s duration

it seems that taking out a krak and launching it or shooting at a boss for a bit basically means i lose it

probably a skill issue

[turbid ibex]

nah dumdum is the best pick for second slot

[mental barn]

I meant instead of infernus

[turbid ibex]

infernus is the other best pick

no reason to use any other set

[mental barn]

what percentage of total damage is each blessing meant to give roughly?

to be good

[hollow ibex]

standard is prob 20%

but it also depends a lot on proc condition

[mental barn]

I have stats for my last 100+ games and infernus never breaks the 10% mark, that might be exceptionally good (since it is "just" 1 blessing) or not that good if blessings ought to do more

the main issue I see with Infernus is that it does a lot of wasted damage

something that might take 3 recon lasgun hits to kill might burn a bit inbetween and thus this will stack damage

meanwhile its damage vs stuff the gun is bad at hitting (crushers for example) is pretty sad

I still kind of like it because it feels like It helps "secure" kills

[hollow ibex]

infernus is good

it helps a lot with recon las's damage dropoff

and you can move on after stacking enough burns on one taret

[mental barn]

I do like its ability to "secure" kills

that I have moved on from targeting or that hid away

only really works vs low hp enemies, the stack cap on big enemies is dissapointing

it tickles them

[hollow ibex]

even tho it's capped at 10 stacks

burn is a strong dot

[slow sky]

infernus is capped at 12, no?

difference between 10 and 12 is enough to make infernus good but the kant shotgun bad

[hollow ibex]

yeh you're right

i never remember if it's 10 or 12

weird how the assatran has a lower cap

but this is fatshart

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

love the sound of that spell

[mental barn]

"Yes sir, this loudest of the lasguns will be perfect for stealthy recon operations"

[tall torrent]

ye

[tall torrent]

it's not that huge of a difference
it's more than the fire shotgun can only do up to 6 per shot and always need 2 shots minimum to get max stacks
and the incendiary shots do basically no dmg

[drowsy perch]

out of frame idiot

[wild vortex]

I just had a Vet in my team who did nothing except shoot revolver and throw grenades all gMe

Nothing else

No melee

Went down 5 times and died 3 times

[dry cloak]

Dsmn l4dt

[wild vortex]

It was unreal

[drowsy perch]

now this is crazy

as a revolver vet

you melee like 70% of the time

because very little ammo

[dry cloak]

Ah the time when you could do that because ammo aura was broken

I.e has no cooldown and stacked with itself

And game was very veteran dominated

[drowsy perch]

looks at pickpocket

tbh if it was an issue with vet why did they literally just give a better version to hiver

i feel like it should be buffed to like

5 or 10% ammo every 5 seconds

1% is just such a nothingburger

i still run it because i need ammo

[drowsy perch]

esp on low ammo weapons

1 ammo every 5 seconds

so fun

[slow spade]

bring back no cooldown, rounded up Scavenger UwU

[dry cloak]

Hive scum didnt exist then

[unreal nova]

Better just 1% per sec. Rounded up. So every shot on a low ammo count will refund if it kills something important. Misses are your own fault.

After all, breakpoints, RIGHT?

[fringe junco]

is the revolver on vet not viable in h40? has anyone ever seen a viable build for it?

its my fav weapon and the reason i picked vet

[hollow ibex]

its not a good weapon for h40

poor ammo economy, and breakpoints gone

[fringe junco]

:c awe man i hope it gets buffed

its so fun to use

[drowsy perch]

damage might be fine but ammo will be a massive issue

[fringe junco]

u spend alot of time reloading too ;c

[wild vortex]

And now I have an Arbi doing nothing but shooting his IAG

Wtf is going on tonight bro

Who let these shitters into auric

[drowsy perch]

i got as much reload as i can

other than the +25% reload with ammo

you empty the mag so often idk if its worth

theoretically if you manage the shots better

[dry cloak]

Revolver does not need buffs

[fringe junco]

its good in h40? i cant find any build

[dry cloak]

H40 is a mode that makes certain weapons worse

Thats it

Idk how many hours you have in game

[fringe junco]

not many like 20

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[tidal fox]

are there any mods you guys know of that can get rid of the zoom on exe stance

[dry cloak]

You aint going to play h40 anytime soon

[hybrid plover]

Revolver's okay in h40 for damage tbh

Just the ammo's a problem

It used to be bad in both respects but vet rework actually gave it some love by proxy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[wild vortex]

Forget h40 exists then

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura

You should h40 1 hour into the game

But having "Zarona Revolver" and "buff" in the same sentence is dangerous

https://tenor.com/view/shh-teddy-riner-olympics-keep-quiet-keep-it-low-gif-22445759

[maiden wolf]

I mean a lot of players who manage to clap vermintide on high difficulty cataclysm mission could get h40 done in around 10 hours probably

[tidal fox]

this game is easier than vermintide imo

cause of toughness existing alone

vt2 is a lot less forgiving in high difficulties

one hit and ur hp is down to half often

[languid crypt]

As a console plauer I disagree, hehe

Just a qol fix to allow for automatic fire

[hybrid plover]

as someone who has had a fullauto mod

and tried to use it with revolver

you don't want that

[wild vortex]

I am deeply suspicious of this claim.

[languid crypt]

How come?

[hybrid plover]

there are many guns, where you may want this

[slow spade]

the revolver has received like 8 buffs in a row at one point

[hybrid plover]

revolver is not one of them

[slow spade]

it's WILD to say it needs a buff 😭

[languid crypt]

Recoil?

[hybrid plover]

Because it's a weapon with a really high kick

And it wont recenter fast enough to offset the recoil from the first shot

Now if you were talking the fanned revolver

Different story

[desert viper]

15% weakspot damage buff when

[hybrid plover]

At most

[dry cloak]

Also really high kick

[hybrid plover]

It could do with a slight ammo count buff

And I mean slight

[desert viper]

I've gotten used to the zarona purely because I gave at least 200 hours of my life to that thing

[hybrid plover]

Because it wouldn't really mean much in auric where ammo is plentiful while also making it more viable for havoc

[maiden wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742798140650029056/1083253037893697557/negro_cat.gif

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but you're probably using it at really close range anyway

And probably not on this class

[languid crypt]

Does Destiny have any "full auto" handcannons?

[desert viper]

Last Word

[drowsy perch]

revolver is good in any difficulty/mode, HOWEVER, it suffers from ammo economy severely

[dry cloak]

It has a burst fire one

[drowsy perch]

and survivalist sucks ass

[fringe junco]

what was the highest difficulty u beat using it?

if u dont mind me asking

[desert viper]

if u don't build into one shots then yeah ur gonna feel

[desert viper]

H35 on vet specifically

[hybrid plover]

alright now this is just a bold claim right here

[fringe junco]

o can i see your build pls @desert viper

[dry cloak]

Still vets best aura

[drowsy perch]

i mean i do, full crit revolver build, but only getting a SINGLE shot every 5 seconds

[slow spade]

-Written by Psyker

[drowsy perch]

with survivalist

[desert viper]

am at work oomf

[maiden wolf]

🤡

[drowsy perch]

look i run survivalist still

[desert viper]

but it's like bread n butter vet krak build

[drowsy perch]

just becuase its something doesnt mean its good

[desert viper]

with WS

[drowsy perch]

also depends on the weapon

1% of a 600 reserve ammo is more than 1% of 60

[desert viper]

if u don't like survivalist that much fireteam isn't that bad

[hybrid plover]

Surv is extremely good

But in a very boring way

[drowsy perch]

i still run it because its alteast SOMETHING

[drowsy perch]

it is not extremely good

it is strictly ok

and again

weapon dependent

like with revolver it gives you a SINGLE shot

that sucks hot shit

[maiden wolf]

Even the movement speed aura is better then fireteam

[slow spade]

It's wild to see someone say Survivalist isn't the single best aura in the game

[hybrid plover]

It's arguably one of the strongest auras in the entire game

If not the

It's not just you that gets the benefit

[slow spade]

it got fucking kneecap'd for a reason

[hybrid plover]

I hate survivalist

[drowsy perch]

it still isnt amazing though

[desert viper]

grabbing another shot on ur revolver when ur already working on low ammo eco is filthy good for zarona

[drowsy perch]

like

just because it works doesnt mean its good

[hybrid plover]

But I cannot deny how extremely valuable it is

[desert viper]

like we are talking you have a one shot in ur pocket if built proper

[slow spade]

you know what? you're right. Survivalist is shit and should be buffed

[drowsy perch]

mfs clown reacting when im a vet main

[hybrid plover]

Please god no

[slow spade]

Fatshark, please buff Survivalist :3

[hollow ibex]

we don't need to buff survivalist

[languid crypt]

Remember, it's always faster to switch to your backup revolver than to reload your revolver

[hollow ibex]

just need to undo the nerf

🙂‍↕️

[drowsy perch]

atleast make it minorly more viable on low capacity weapons

[desert viper]

GIVE ME GUNSLINGER ON VET, LET ME DISREGARD ANY DISADVANGAGE

[fringe junco]

when u get home from work If u remember I would greatly appreciate your build alex

[desert viper]

AMMO MANAGEMENT? WEAPON FUNCTION? LET ME SHOOT!!!!!!!!!

[maiden wolf]

That doesent mean that you are good on Veteran

[slow spade]

it saves the percentage so 1% of 60 still provides 0.06 ammo. It just doesn't provide it until it gives at least another round

[desert viper]

I'm pretty sure u can find it in the pinned guide

[dry cloak]

First learn to play mate

Play some aurics

[drowsy perch]

im pretty dam good as vet

[slow spade]

There's a pinned guide, it's VERY data oriented but there's builds you can use

[desert viper]

while I don't think spamming clown reactions is funny, it's important to know that being a main and being good at ur main are not the same thing

1.5k hours into this game, still can't play vet proper

[hybrid plover]

ur fine oomf

[slow spade]

though I do suggest you use them as a "guide" on how you want to build your char as you might play differently than what the build is designed for

[desert viper]

I'm fine enough for aurics n mid havocs but admittedly I can not compare to alot of people here who minmaxxed the class

[drowsy perch]

vet is straight up my best class

[slow spade]

that's stil better than 98% of vets

[drowsy perch]

ogryn is 2nd but thats because ogryn is easy as shit

[slow spade]

the average Vet loses to poxwalkers

[hybrid plover]

i feel like you really overestimate the general skill level of a vet player in this game LMAO

[drowsy perch]

i run aurics as my normal difficulty as vet, often auric maelstrom

usually win unless crazy shit happens

ex: bursted into the air and sniped midair

[hybrid plover]

the vets who play high havoc are legit just built different

because while vet is hella strong

vet is also hella tricky to play in havoc

[drowsy perch]

i handle havoc 25-30 pretty fine

the main issue is again just crazy shit happening

[hybrid plover]

high havoc meaning 30-40

25-30 is not the same

[drowsy perch]

yeah but im close

i just need to learn like

how to adapt better

because rn dealing with like 20 bursters and 15 snipers across the map

kinda difficult

[hybrid plover]

this sounds like a job for executioner's stance

[maiden wolf]

Most people need to learn how to play with teammates.
Survivalist is a step in the right direction

[slow spade]

the burster part is easy, you lead them to your teammates

[drowsy perch]

also need to learn to not get stuck on random fucking objects while dodging

[drowsy perch]

half the time my teammates shoot them

or just dont shove them so we all get bursted

[hybrid plover]

I think survivalist shouldn't exist

[slow spade]

good, that way you don't have to feel bad when you do the same to them UwU

[hybrid plover]

And ammo pickups should be oriented around not having an ammo dispenser

[drowsy perch]

i do it but i try and avoid to

[hybrid plover]

Again, can't deny the value.

[maiden wolf]

I think the two other auras need to be changed

[drowsy perch]

like survivalist works

[hybrid plover]

But I do not like the aura on a fundamental level.

[drowsy perch]

i think it could just like

work better

like scale with the weapon

[hybrid plover]

The other auras are actually really good.

The issue is

They're not Survivalist.

[drowsy perch]

so you can get more than 1 shot every 5 seconds

[hybrid plover]

That's not a balanced design at all.

[drowsy perch]

is someone else talking

[drowsy perch]

like if survivalist scaled with the weapon

[maiden wolf]

No fire team is straight Garbage and movement speed would be better on like zealot

[drowsy perch]

i think it would be good

[hybrid plover]

Fire team is good

[drowsy perch]

but for it to work well you NEED a high capacity weapon

again, 1% of 600 is not the same as 1% of 60

[hybrid plover]

7.5% is actually meaningful

[slow spade]

Fire Team NOW is good

[drowsy perch]

fireteam does seem decent

[hybrid plover]

5% movement speed gives you gamebreaking movement

[maiden wolf]

No its not

[hybrid plover]

But again

They're simply not Survivalist

[drowsy perch]

movement vet is silly but not really good

[hybrid plover]

It is lol

Vet is a class that's all about breakpoints

[drowsy perch]

what even are breakpoints btw

i hear it all the time

[hybrid plover]

7.5% increased damage lets you hit said breakpoints more consistently

[drowsy perch]

i just play the game

[slow spade]

tell that to my teammates bringing Recons with no Shocktrooper UwU

[maiden wolf]

Every other vet skill gives 20% 7.5% is basically like a fart

[slow spade]

the amount of shots for a kill

[hybrid plover]

7.5%

On top of all of the other buffs

Multiplicatively

[drowsy perch]

recon las crit build with shocktrooper is perhaps the easiest way to havoc

[maiden wolf]

Is nuthink

[hybrid plover]

Actually adds real value

[slow spade]

breakpoints are largely useless for automatics

[hybrid plover]

But again

It literally isn't Survivalist

[slow spade]

but matter a lot for plasma and bolter

[drowsy perch]

i could change my revolver vet to use

fireteam

but that 1 ammo every 5 seconds

does still make a microscopic difference

tho technically

if i kill in less shots...

🤔

[hybrid plover]

the issue is that even with 7.5% actually doing sometihng

it's never gonna compare to survivalist

[drowsy perch]

i still just wish it scaled with reserve ammo

[hybrid plover]

and the only way to make the other auras comparable

[drowsy perch]

i want more than a single shot on my revolver build

[maiden wolf]

Doesent even compare to the movement speed 😔

[slow spade]

automatics like Recon will get value from the 7.5% but something like plasma depends if it helps even get kills in the first place

[hybrid plover]

is to make them just outright busted to compare

Which

Is not a good thing

at all

And never has been

[drowsy perch]

yea actually i swapped survivalist to fireteam on my recon crit build and it made a noticeable difference

especially against armored

survivalist on recon crit is very useless

when you never use ammo to begin with

[hybrid plover]

You use surv at that point for your team

[drowsy perch]

i dont think ive ever ran out of ammo

other than the no ammo modifier

worst thing

ever

[slow spade]

Survivalist value UwU

it mostly depends if you think your teammates will be eating rocks or not

[drowsy perch]

i just use uh

born leader with focus keystone

not focus target the other one

[slow spade]

Marksmen?

[drowsy perch]

so then teammates get constent toughness regen too

marksman focus whatever yea

[slow spade]

ah

[drowsy perch]

the toughness regen is really good if you stay above the iron will limit

buncha gunners? nah just regen it off

and then instantly die beause you went 1% too low

speaking of

has anyone been having like weird damage

sometimes i'll randomly just get like 1 shot by nothing

didnt get hit at all just randomly smacked and die

[slow spade]

is it from a Twin or Captain shield burst?

[drowsy perch]

no

usually just random enemies

[slow spade]

that has a bug where it CAN just randomly instant kill

[drowsy perch]

i think maybe if like

a bunch of enemies all swing at once and it just explodes you??

but if thats the case then the game is giving 0 indication of that

[slow spade]

oh yeah that's pretty common

[drowsy perch]

no dodge sound or even enemy attack animation

[slow spade]

I tend to just block and push a lot more because of that

[drowsy perch]

theyll just be walking and then i randomly die

[slow spade]

that's just Fatshark moment

[hybrid plover]

netcode

[slow spade]

there's no VT damage scaling based on mobs

[drowsy perch]

yea they really gotta fix all the sound bugs and desync shit

[drowsy perch]

its so good

[hybrid plover]

this game's netcode has been jank as shit since that 6GB patch

[hybrid plover]

out here actually getting shot in my slides

which is legit like

legally not supposed to happen at all

[drowsy perch]

the worst issue is when

you're backing up from ragers

but they can still melee you from a mile away

[hybrid plover]

ahem

this is a mistake

[drowsy perch]

despite 100% being out of their hit range

[hybrid plover]

you don't want to back up from ragers

[slow spade]

rager range is bigger than you think

[drowsy perch]

i do when theyre already far enough away

[hybrid plover]

this isn't even a netcode thing

[drowsy perch]

no i know but like

[hybrid plover]

they're literally just designed that way

[drowsy perch]

i mean farther than that

like actually out of their range but still hitting

[hybrid plover]

yep

that's ragers

[slow spade]

specifically dreg ragers, iirc

[hybrid plover]

oh yeah scab ragers don't have that

[slow spade]

they got a FUNNY buff

[hybrid plover]

dregs do

where they basically accelerate in their combo if you back away

so you actually want to sidestep them when you can

[slow spade]

on top of increased attack speed lol

[drowsy perch]

oh thats only if you back up?

[hybrid plover]

yep

[drowsy perch]

well i learned around that anyways

[slow spade]

there's a reason why the rager meme picture is only of Dreg ragers :/

[hybrid plover]

backing up makes them harder to deal with

[drowsy perch]

its what ive learned to do lol

anytime i side dodge their double hit just smacks me anyways

[hybrid plover]

that

is probably a netcode thing then

because i've noticed myself getting outright hit in my dodges too

[slow spade]

I've started just blaming Fatshark for everything

so far I haven't been wrong yet

[hybrid plover]

i mean i doubt you are this time

path actually reassured me that i wasnt crazy when he told me that the 6gb patch janked a lot of things up

[slow spade]

yeah I wouldn't doubt it

a lot of the times, they add or change something and it fucks up a ton of other stuff

[hybrid plover]

it's like the game is constantly desynced rn

[slow spade]

the first event for Darktide was Hunting Grounds. Guess how we figured out this game had severe netcode and audio issues UwU

[hybrid plover]

i died in a 40 i was doin because i put down an ammo crate but the game still thought it was in my hands and stuck me in an animation and then i got instantly minced by poxwalkers

[slow spade]

and it's just gotten worse ever since :c

[hybrid plover]

all in like a second's time

[slow spade]

same reason why I never run the Hive Scum fent dealer build

placing deployables seem to really fuck with the game

[wild vortex]

They claimed to have fixed that

But no

[hybrid plover]

Nope.

Absolutely not.

[wild vortex]

I almost got shafted myself earlier tonight

[hybrid plover]

The crate bug is Helldiver's worm bug

[slow spade]

there's a ton of "little" bugs that still roam around

[hybrid plover]

It just never actually goes away lmao

[slow spade]

like the shield burst instant killing you

[hybrid plover]

god

the time my entire team went down to that

[slow spade]

FUNNY bug to still have in the game with Havoc

[hybrid plover]

at least it hasn't happened to me recently

but good lord it's frustrating when it happens

[slow spade]

my personal grudge is with the trappers hitting through walls still

[hybrid plover]

poxbursters getting pushed

but not exploding

[slow spade]

lol yeah fun times with the ongoing event

[hybrid plover]

and they're also clearly targetting you

i legit run impact nades on arb instead of stun mines

specifically because of those bastards

[slow spade]

I use dog for the RP but maybe I should swap because I can handle anything but silent trappers and burster trains 😭

truthfully speaking, I actually know how to handle the poxbursters. Which is to just shoot them

but I have a feeling that wouldn't go well in practice UwU

[hybrid plover]

unfortunately

no

esp since you won't hear some of em

Yeah I try to dispatch poxbursters over everything lol

[slow spade]

knows that the audio side cannot handle too many sources at once -> adds event that specifically spawns dozens of audio sources instantly

[hybrid plover]

I will shoot a boom rocket, for a single poxburster if need be

[slow spade]

amazing work Fatshark

[hybrid plover]

that's how much I don't trust em

[slow spade]

at the very least, you KNOW there is a burster somewhere when the train spawns :p

because it's all you can hear :c

[gentle lake]

bass boosted ticking

[toxic reef]

I think I got 11 bursters at once yesterday, they were out of ear reach tho

just a far shredder

[slow spade]

the new event is funny like that

[desert viper]

a mix of that and self underestimation

but then again I openly avoid trying to minmax this game because my body is sore from work twenty four seven and has no energy

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hammer-hiromi-hiromihiguruma-jujutsukaisen-gif-5718108154358308885

[drowsy perch]

the audio tearing with the hound hordes

[slow spade]

and they'll do nothing about it for another 3 years

[tall torrent]

Survivalist should be a veteran class iconic and only give ammo to vet, with either lower CD or increased ammo gain

And left aura be swapped for smth else

[violet walrus]

I'm not crazy for thinking uncanny strike + skullcrusher are insanely good on shovel am i?

[toxic reef]

no, but decimator is nicer than skullcrusher imo

[violet walrus]

imo being able to whip out shovel and 2 tap a crusher kinda baller, and it's very consistent with that stagger the shovel special does

don't tell the devs, but uncanny strike gets 2 stacks per shovel special

[desert viper]

that's intentional

[violet walrus]

good because it rules

consistent crusher 2 taps are fun as hell

[gritty mural]

bro disrupted the flow of data

[gritty fable]

hello, I have a question, about two foldable shovel mks, which one is better?
they seem like almost identical

I played with standart one most of the time, and almost never touched foldable ones

[thorn lark]

mk1 is the most generalist

you can check the guide for the combos: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[steep flower]

Mk 3 is better

[steel lagoon]

I prefer the Mk 3 but I used to use the 7 for the easier combos

[thorn lark]

I prefer the MK1

POKE POKE POKE

[spare cedar]

is it better to go for 2x toughness + 1 stam or drop the stamina for hp?

[slow spade]

I do 2 toughness + 1 stam or 3x toughness

not taking hp means bursters and snipers are more dangerous

but Vet has VoC and has a lot of tools for long range

or you know, you can just run back and let your teammates eat the blow lol

[spare cedar]

thanks

ill try 2 tough and 1 hp for now

[slow spade]

just keep in mind that the hp idea is to reduce the amount of snipers and bursters you eat until you go down

not survive gunners or bomber shenanigans

so pick your poison

[spare cedar]

i have gunner resists too

[unreal nova]

Mk3+decimator+Skullcrusher is fun. At least in auric, you can still do the 2 special crusher kill.

The diff is the hit combos and the fold bonk.

Mk 3 is much faster and safer.

[dapper pier]

Hm…

Imma just…

[steep flower]

My condolences

🥀 🥀 🥀

[dapper pier]

Anything i should know about w hellbore b4 using it?
Any talents and perks i should pair it with?

[gentle lake]

I think there's a talent that makes charging go faster

Sorry i mean blessing

[heavy rover]

For blessings, surgical at the very least. Second blessing is up to preference. Typically people go weight of fire but I like armourbane. As for talents, I recommend shocktrooper and marksman focus (if you can reach it)

As a side note, I run the mk III and I'm pretty happy with its fire rate, so that's why I go for armourbane and support my team. If you're using the mk IV (slowest firing one), then I suggest weight of fire

[nimble wadi]

Can sharks wear glasses

[turbid ibex]

I think a more important question is if glasses can wear sharks

[heavy rover]

Can glasses shark wear

[atomic onyx]

What marks/Blessings would you recommend for a heavy sword in melee focus build?

[tough nova]

Mk 6 flakiac deathblow headtaker

Mk9 is good too but i prefer the upward diagonal heavy of 6

And for what its worth I find the heavy sword kinda meh on veteran. I think it needs a little more help than the vet tree has to give.

[atomic onyx]

Im just tired of putting power sword in every build, Im finishing up mastery on heavy sword and giving catachan devil claw a spin

[tough nova]

Power sword is as potent as it is boring

If you want something effective and flavorful the non folding shovel mark is gr8.

[atomic onyx]

Shovel is amazing, im running it on my melee/shotgun build

right now im doing melee/stub revolver

and im looking for some different weapon, I want to squeeze as much as possible out of vet (its my 7th build) before moving to another class

[gritty fable]

just tried this out, very good blessing combination, cool

[orchid hemlock]

I wish 😔

Fatshark buff shovel and my life is yours

[amber vortex]

I wish chainsword was better

Love me chainsword, but it's not the best

Gotta be said

[hollow ibex]

Cadia fell because of chain swords

[steep flower]

Can OF girls be good wifes?
Rethorical question

[tough nova]

Sure they can

Just gotta payem

[violet walrus]

Mark VII goes crazy actually, it's special does a significant amount of damage that lets you reach a two shot breakpoint on crushers, with great horde clearing with heavy spam

it's a fantastic all rounder that hits really high highs

[nimble wadi]

[violet walrus]

the diagonal angle on the special heavies is a knowledge check more than anything, it's super consistent

[hollow ibex]

Three is better

[steep flower]

Yeah… mk3 is way better

[heavy rover]

Mk 3 gang

[severe hedge]

what's the best shovel mark?

... people are literally talking about it right now i see

serves me for not scrolling before asking my question

[dry cloak]

Mk1

[torpid grotto]

the folding shovels dont do well in the current state of powercreep with a billion enemies on screen

[orchid hemlock]

You want me to be serious?

[orchid hemlock]

1

[severe hedge]

competitive urge good?

2.5% seems way too inconsistent

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think I have ever used it

[tropic halo]

Of what?

[narrow frost]

comp urge

[lusty abyss]

@severe hedge Based off my very quick math, its nice to have but it isn't reliable.

[hollow ibex]

3 has a nearly instant latch so it’s not an issue. Definitely a problem for 7 though

[tidal fox]

for a talent tree like vet's it has to be ignored

much better stuff about

[lusty abyss]

@severe hedge sry i didnt mean to send that yet i don't use discord often. But lets say your team kills 2300 enemies throughout the match. With 2.5% chance to proc, thats 57.5 activations each lasting 8 seconds. That means as long as it doesn't activate while it is still activated and you get the full 8 seconds without overlapping, you will have the buff for about 7 minutes 40 seconds. If that match takes 25 minutes, you will have competetive urge active for about 1/3 of the match. The buffs are very good, but it isn't something you will be able to activate when you want it, you just hope it happens and probably won't notice it in the background. There are simply better options, but that doesn't make it useless. Sometimes the "fun" effect of having a team buff that randomly pops off can be worth it on its own, so if you like using it you aren't hindering yourself, but you also arent playing optimally, which is ok in a game with a skill ceiling as high as Darktide's

tldr; its active for a big chunk of the match, but you can't activate it when you "need" it and vet tree has other options that are generally more useful. but it is still strong so if you want just pop off

[distant plaza]

This seems like something the Uptime mod would be able to tell you as far as its usefulness goes

Some probability math indicates you’d need 90 something kills to have a 90% chance of at least one activation

[queen bridge]

Any good Veteran class builds? Mine atm is okay decent, but i feel like i lack a little bit of everything

[toxic reef]

pinned guide

[distant plaza]

See the pinned guide

[serene bough]

No

[hybrid plover]

Mk3's okay

Since the latch barely even qualifies as a latch

[tall torrent]

no

[torpid grotto]

The folding animation brings me pain

[hollow ibex]

Don’t use crowbar

[queen bridge]

Thanks hero

[gentle dew]

power falchion buff when

[tall torrent]

maybe this year

FS still radio silent

[gentle dew]

it would be fair to buff it

i see now it is not 'meta' xd

they messed up somehow with that thing

[gentle dew]

you suggest in ur guide cleave as dump stat for ps?

[tall torrent]

yea

it is

[gentle dew]

do you get an extra dodge if you dont dump mobility?

[tall torrent]

no

it's just that cleave targets does effectively nothing for power sword

10.9 vs 11.7 cleave on energized attacks

[gentle dew]

math adds up

[tall torrent]

u don't cleave through any more of important enemies with 0.8 more cleave

[gentle dew]

i notice a lot of ppl just default to dumping mobility without thinking about it

[hybrid plover]

I mean the uptime isn't terrible but there's just

Much better options

Especially when you consider that if you're the last one alive by any unfortunate turn of events

It's a completely dead talent for the time you're alone.

[tall torrent]

did u report on FS forums abt their horrible netcode btw

[tall torrent]

it depends on the weapon

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dna-dns-meditation-gif-5429687900061048057

Biggest offense about it is the blessing pool

[gentle dew]

i see why now

yes

it's fun to play with tho

[tame lodge]

And that's all that matters

🗣️

[gentle dew]

probably not as fun on havoc

but i would not sue it there

also how to do this event without krag

[turbid ibex]

power sword ig

[gentle dew]

power sword the ogryns?

[turbid ibex]

yeah

[gentle dew]

more easiloy said then done when they are curb stomping you

hordes of em

[turbid ibex]

idk man

its either that or you switch to rocket scum

[distant plaza]

hide and hope the hive scum on your team brought a rocket launcher?

[gentle dew]

i mean krak grenades seem to work fine and power sword for the leftovers

or bolter

[distant plaza]

or a ||smyker is around ||

[gentle dew]

when panic

[gentle dew]

smiter?

[distant plaza]

idk, throw frag grenades and hope your team has enough initiative to kill as many of them as possible while they're on the floor?

[gentle dew]

frag > krak? vs ogryns?

🤔

[distant plaza]

you asked how to handle the event without kraks
so that's frags or smokes? teammates?

[tame lodge]

You can spam frags then stack uncanny

[gentle dew]

oh it was more a hypothetical. but i guerss with frags it can be done but would not be optimal lool

i wanna see teams reaction if i bring smokes

lmao

[distant plaza]

that'll help with the reapers

[gentle dew]

ah so they cant spam you from an angle

what is the idea behind these new cosmetics this week, i dont get em

[tame lodge]

Elite troops I guess

[gentle dew]

edgy spec ops or something?

dont like em

[tame lodge]

Totally forgot it makes Zealot an Escher assassin

[hearty panther]

god the boots on that model slay so hard

but i cant ignore the .... ass vent

[tame lodge]

"Radiator Cheeks"

[slow spade]

You don't have one?

[hearty panther]

mine is built in

single valve, no radiator

[gentle dew]

now real talk, bolt pistol or big boy bolterrrr

[tame lodge]

More of a big bolter guy myself

[gentle dew]

tbh same cuz big burst. gotta time reloads well. does it make sense to prefer focus target instead of wseapon specialist on the big boy vs weapon specialist iwth the pistol\

[slow spade]

Big bolter has Pinning Fire

Automatically making it better imo

[tall torrent]

different purposes & functions

boltpistol is a weapon full of compromises that u only take because u want to make explosion radius bigger, or ur other gun choices don't have enough range

(somehow DT boltpistol is still a deadlier weapon than the SM2 bolt pistols)

[hybrid plover]

Ima do it tonight

I was getting hit clearly in my dodges

Rubberbanding

Like a good percentage of my hits are getting eaten by the server

It's really bad rn

[gentle dew]

desync is terrible

[hybrid plover]

That 6gb patch seriously did something to this game and it needs to be addressed

[gentle dew]

has fatshark said that it's a thing yet

or in denial?

[hybrid plover]

Haven't said a word

But I've played this game long enough to know something is very off

Legally, I shouldn't be getting shot in my slides

But i absolutely know it's happening

Then there's poxwalkers scraping me while pushing and dodging

I got locked up trying to throw down an ammo box only to instantly die from full health

To poxwalkers

[hybrid plover]

To clarify, it dropped on the floor

But the game just couldn't acknowledge that it wasn't supposed to be in my hands

First time I've gotten to the point where I can say the game is near unplayable to me rn

[gentle dew]

is it normal to get tped to the next spawn point lol

when ur already w8ting for rescue

and team ios not there yet

[hybrid plover]

Nope.

But it does happen

[gentle dew]

i see

[torpid grotto]

It won’t be

Accept your fate

[hybrid plover]

No!

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-victim-supahotfire-rap-battle-gif-19802144

[slow spade]

Fatshark is all in on doubling down on how fucked the servers are

"servers bad? Add event that spawns waves of dogs"

[tall torrent]

they haven't said anything besides announcing the event

[gentle dew]

and one hell of an event

[swift jolt]

what melee weapon would you all say is the best for a stealth/assassin veteran build

[amber vortex]

CHAINSWORD.......

no

that was a lie

[swift jolt]

I was going to try combat knife or TacAxe

[amber vortex]

Would recommend knife

[gentle dew]

power falchion

jkjk

[swift jolt]

I am actually the only power falchion defender in this community

[gentle dew]

so am i

but i get shat on by people for it

[gentle dew]

what's ur build

[slow sky]

Depends on the spot
Certain respawns do that

The progression triggers ties to then are fucked

[slow sky]

Reg likes them and uses em a lot

[amber vortex]

I just want more people to joing the chain-gang, man

its ok......

kinda

[slow sky]

FUCK chain weapons

[amber vortex]

b-but chain

rev

is useful

sometimes

kinda

on occasion

[slow sky]

And the times its not useful is cuz you got locked in place and got MOLESTED or you dodged out to avoid that and did NO DAMAGE

[amber vortex]

Dont know what to tell you

think you just gotta chain better

chain faster

chain stronger

[gentle dew]

to chain is to be free of pain.

[amber vortex]

SEE

HE GETS IT

Another member for THE CHAIN GANG

[gentle dew]

well i suck ass with chain i like power falchion but trying to learn xd

[amber vortex]

dont worry, we all suck with chain

[gentle dew]

a chain of suffering

[amber vortex]

but a chain nonetheless

[gentle dew]

cringing so hard at players at havoc 20 level who shit talk others

'how did you end up in havoc'

maybe to learn?

lol

it's havoc 20

[amber vortex]

Yeah, still remember this one jerk level 30 yelling at some level 10.

[gentle dew]

so cringe. like if i was shit tier at havoc 30+ fine shit talk me. but havoc 20? why are you playing havoc 20 if ur gonna shit talk other low 20s

not like u need to earn the right to play it

[amber vortex]

He was over leveled for the difficulty too, so double cringe

[gentle dew]

[mighty python]

Following this one. Running the vraks infantry autogun with a power sword

Also swapped out desperado on the right for grenade tinkerer

@amber vortex

[turbid ibex]

Tinkerer is only for kraks on high havocs

Also not taking iron will is an awful idea

[somber axle]

They don't have Tinkerer

[turbid ibex]

.

[somber axle]

Tinkerer is the right side nade node

[amber vortex]

only now realized all my vets use lasguns. Looked over and was confused why shocktrooper wasnt taken

[somber axle]

Oh I am illiterate excuse me LOL

[amber vortex]

but yeah, iron will is really good for toughness

[turbid ibex]

The left grenade talent also isnt really necessary

[mighty python]

Where on the tree is it?

[turbid ibex]

Left of melee attack speed

[somber axle]

The shield icon above field improv

[mighty python]

Ty

[turbid ibex]

Youre also missing out on some big damage talents on the bottom right

[mighty python]

Weapons specialist?

[turbid ibex]

Skirmisher, expose weakness, agile engagement

Those are some of the best damage talents in the tree

[mighty python]

Btw the screenshot I posted isn't mine, just a build that got recommended to me. Haven't reached the bottom yet

[turbid ibex]

Bottom left keystone also isnt really that good for vraks tbh

Either of the other two are much better for it

[mighty python]

Gotcha, ty

[turbid ibex]

These are the basic changes i would do to this personally

Theres other stuff you could change but these are the main things that stood out

Also prob swap shredder for kraks

[mighty python]

Are shredders not good for DOT?

[narrow frost]

they are

[gentle dew]

gonna be honest but i suck so much with power sword lol

cxompared ot other optrions

skill issue

[turbid ibex]

They are but generally i value the ogryn instakills more over the shredders

[somber axle]

Just need practice to feel out the rhythm of using block cancel to speed up charging the blade before running combos

[gentle dew]

i know the rhytm at this point but it's like

small mistake fucks u

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist and Trench Fighter help too

[gentle dew]

and having to get used to exact duration of charged dsword

[somber axle]

The extra attack speed, dodge distance and dodge speed from weapon specialist help with how sluggish the power sword feels vs other melee

[gentle dew]

i didnt take that into account the dodge distance

that's why i now use power falchion sio9metimes

lol

cant read i guess

[somber axle]

It's such whiplash going from knife or tacaxe into power sword and feeling your dodge difference

[gentle dew]

i played arbi before with shock maul

so yeah..

[somber axle]

I only just started playing Arbi. I've run through all the base game classes to 30

I still need to try hive scum too

[mighty python]

Yeah I can understand that. Already learned the hard way on what happens when you don't time your dodges right when close to them lol

[gentle dew]

arbi is easy with infinite stagger on the shock maul

you dont even need dodge with that tougheness regen

stun the shit out of hordes and regen infinite toughness

[somber axle]

the stagger has been pretty fun but I've been trying out the shield + maul a bit

haven't unlocked the shield + pistol yet

[gentle dew]

even the maul without shield is just so good it's stupid

[hollow ibex]

the ASM IS arbi's strongest weapon lol

[somber axle]

I should max out that weapon at hadron next

[gentle dew]

but i started playing with that thing and now i realize how bad my normal melee skill is

cuz of tha tmaul

doing it for me

[hollow ibex]

arbi's dueling sword

[gentle dew]

yes

[somber axle]

I've only maxed the exe shotgun and shield + maul so far

[hollow ibex]

those are very strong too

[gentle dew]

try arbi shock maul + boltgun

and dog forcused on either range or specialists

[somber axle]

I love how the exe shotgun looks but it feels weird going from Vet and being able to delete anything anywhere so quickly to needing 2 taps to take out certain specials/elites

[gentle dew]

and with execution order

[hollow ibex]

the exe shotguns are more street sweepers

than single target dps

[gentle dew]

i dont like the shotgun tbh

[somber axle]

ah ok

[hollow ibex]

same with shistol for that matter

it looks like a revolver

but plays very differently

[somber axle]

wait but exe shotgun doesn't have manstopper I thought

not like the combat shotguns

[hollow ibex]

dats right

but it has high base cleave

shistol does have manstopper

[errant bear]

Hive scum is probably the most fun one

[hollow ibex]

[somber axle]

Can't wait to try out the pistol

I've seen a lot of Hive Scum during the event wiping out entire crowds of Crushers, Bulwarks and Reapers with zero effort so I'm curious about trying them next

[errant bear]

It's somewhat annoying to use

[unreal nova]

That's just inf rockets.

[somber axle]

vaguely concerned that I almost never see any Hive Scum using the dual pistols and everyone seems to be using the needle pistol

the dual pistols look really cool but they don't seem to be very popular

[errant bear]

They are a melee sidearm

[somber axle]

yeah but it's hard to race them to kill the ogryns with my Helbore when they can just instagib crowds

[unreal nova]

Take bistol with Lethal.

[errant bear]

Not great not terrible

[unreal nova]

10m BOOM radius.

[errant bear]

Personally I prefer shredder for that purpose

[somber axle]

Helbore is my fav lasgun lately so annoying is my middle name

bad sights, bad swap speed, awkward click and hold to fire

[unreal nova]

Guarantees pack clear in 1 rocket.

[somber axle]

I think I can find fun with the shield pistol too probably

[errant bear]

Well it kills reliably but it has a delay to it that can get you killed

[somber axle]

are you talking about the pistol or the helbore

[errant bear]

Oh would you look at that a trapper would be a shame if he died before firing right no no no we can't have that this pistol only delivers after enemies get a chunk of you back 😭 😂

[errant bear]

Wish it had some stagger or smt

[hollow ibex]

are we talking about stub pis?

yeah it's pretty bad

[errant bear]

Meanwhile you look at a special with shredder and in the first second they are down on the ground in second they are dead

[somber axle]

quick question for Arbites

[unreal nova]

The scum pistol?

[somber axle]

what's the difference between the two marks

for the shield + maul

[unreal nova]

Attack pattern.

[hollow ibex]

moveset

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[unreal nova]

Dog outside of like malice.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i really don't like it

[somber axle]

is there a preference for one over the other or is it just personal choice

[hollow ibex]

personal choice

[unreal nova]

Both are okay. Is just the pattern you prefer. Just try them.

[somber axle]

okay thanks just wanted to check because a lot of Vet weapons feel like there's a general consensus that a certain mark is better than others

[gentle dew]

this damage pretty bad for PS plasma gun no

im 2nd row

idk what kinda stats supposed to get

[unreal nova]

With Arby and Scum, everything just feels... good if multiple marks somewhat. At least between the marks for me.

[mystic pilot]

Plasma gun was a good idea for this event. Stagger those damned bursters

[brisk epoch]

does carapac armour or flak bonus dmg better on bolter if they are combined with unyielding

guys I just found a spearhead bolter with 55/77 reload speed fresh on the stock

[hollow ibex]

usually flak, but carapce is fine too

[tidal fox]

you're using your bolter against maulers and crushers?

waste of ammo

oh wait spearhead bolter

nevermind

[dry cloak]

Yes and boltpistol is arguably better for shooting those

Because blessings

[tidal fox]

what the sigma?

[hollow ibex]

technically true

but you really only shoot crushers/maulers with bistol on meme builds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1437197478964367480/78E2901.MP4?ex=69a8a8f4&is=69a75774&hm=25d907a020a172ec96140f8c1f753806cd6c287b7cf758dde3ea2115c5552cec&

like this

[tidal fox]

if the crusher isn't dead as soon as I see it

the build isn't worthy

[tame granite]

really fucks me up that bolters AREN'T the best option against carapace

it's like their main purpose in lore lol

[dry cloak]

Plasma should be

[drowsy perch]

technically spearhead works

but ya its more boomy then penetraty

for the others

[errant bear]

What blessings?

I deal 3k from the front and 4k from the back using boltgun / duelling

[errant bear]

Without any active modifiers on too

[errant bear]

In real games having finesse damage on top of it is even better

Ah not with the veteran ig

But yeah I like it with zealot since he works with bleeds

[quasi rover]

What blessings should I take with the Dueling Swords? Also, Carapace/Unyielding for the perks is okay?

[pearl oasis]

I know people say weapon specialist is great, but I never end up using it because I spend most of the time with my recon lasgun out

[quasi rover]

I don't see one called weapon specialist...maybe i ahve the wrong mark udeling dword?>

[pearl oasis]

oh sorry I was talking about something unrelated

my bad

[pearl oasis]

From what I can see in the Guide thing I use for weapons (called "Hammer of the Emperor" on steam)
Blessings are:
Uncanny Strike + whatever your choice in the "tier 1" section for most effect

[gentle lake]

maybe power falchion isnt that bad..

[pearl oasis]

The thing that works like the relic sword? I enjoy it as a "set and forget" instead of the p.sword

[quasi rover]

Awesome, thank you 🙂

[pearl oasis]

forgot I selected Frag grenades instead of Krak and was wondering why my grenades weren't sticking to crushers

[gentle lake]

falch kinda good

[distant mural]

Its not bad it just sucks unpowered.

[toxic reef]

yeah relic blade handles itself better inbetween cycles

[gentle lake]

yeah :C

[desert viper]

I hate how slow the heabies are

[mystic pilot]

Well tabletop stats say they have no AP

[mystic pilot]

That guide is pinned here lol

[steep flower]

Use shattering impact & puncture and you’ll see

[pastel haven]

has anyone gotten a bug where the cooldown of shout goes to -490 seconds?

[unreal nova]

No mods?

[pastel haven]

just guaranteed swap

[unreal nova]

Cos without mods, just push shout again and it fixes.

It's a server client thing.

[pastel haven]

ahh, i see

appreciate it o7

[unreal nova]

Basically shout didn't actually go off serverside but client thinks it did.

So it's still up.

Same for any instant cast ults.

At least if the game isn't modded, don't know if it is since mods can affect how the game runs to some degree.

[thorn lark]

is there a good skin for helbore? for a better aiming

[tame lodge]

There's 2 actually

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-three-gif-19489818

Vostroyan

And

Something night

[thorn lark]

ah fuck I missed vostroyan

i bought ol reliable, it's nice but it's not what I was looking for

[thorn lark]

something night, is it the blue one from the shop?

[thorn lark]

vostroyan
?

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure vostroyan yeah

[thorn lark]

🙁

[tame lodge]

And I actually think it's Legacy of Vraks

The other one that is

[turbid ibex]

vOwOstwwOwOnyan

:3

[pastel knoll]

OwO gator is real

[heavy rover]

owogryn

I'll see myself out

[turbid ibex]

[pseudo fiber]

This got changed a little iirc

[violet walrus]

i will hear you out, if you can give me a crusher 2 shot on mark 3

[steep flower]

not much to say; it definitelly involves thrust judging by the 2 shot (i talk from the perspective of havoc btw)
mk3 has the same dmg on the flip as mk7 but its faster & its a perfect overhead

[violet walrus]

it does not have the same damage from my testing, but i'll go ahead and retest

[steep flower]

it does the same dmg... while being way more safe cause it does not stuck you like mk7

and while you're stuck the only thing you can do is use your ability to save yourself; can't cancel the attack, can't block, can't dodge

the overhype of mk7 in the past was a big mistake (mainly tanny boi did it... but he is oof anyways, especially now)

[steep flower]

best part is tho; its not really about 2 shot why its good; its the auto stagger you do with it; use Skullcrusher & Decimator (deci is for cleave mainly); don't need uncanny nor thrust (altho you could combine thrust + skullcrusher for massive dmg vs elites; just your horde cleave suffers a bit)

[violet walrus]

just redid my testing
so you're right the damage is similar, 3403 on mark 3, 3414 on mark 7, something was wrong with my previous testing somehow

[violet walrus]

also thrust is awful for my setup oughh

fucking terrible dreck imo

i use uncanny and decimator

EZ 2 shot

[steep flower]

ye try SC + Deci; perfect vs anything exept Unyelding enemies (but flipies are bad vs those anyways so no change there)

[steep flower]

don't need uncanny; use Skull

[violet walrus]

i use either depending on the mood

[steep flower]

if you want uncanny use mk1

mk3 does not need it

[violet walrus]

all i know is i can skull fuck a crusher in 2 flips

and also uncanny just feels good on mk 3

we're building based off of feels now gamers

but yeah if i'm in the mood i use skullcrusher

uncanny gives you a tiny bit more leniency with the timing, and you can even switch to another target to keep fucking shit up

[steep flower]

nah not the feels; Uncanny is for funny DoT dmg vs carapace when you spam shredders & help weapons that struggle in melee vs carapace like mk1
mk3 & mk7 shovels due to flip mechanic do not struggle at all - they are meant to delete armor; auto stagger on heavy flip mode means you apply skullcrusher debuff with each hit cause each attack is a 2 hit strike so first one staggers the second one (pull) applies the debuff
thats why uncanny on flipies is not needed and makes them more aplicable in many more situations cause SC is OP

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny's mostly worth it on mk1

[faint beacon]

Uncanny has value on the folds mainly for trying to insta crushers but that’s literally about it

MK1 just has consistency and safety

[slow sky]

We're back with reddit calling me insane for saying db is very good on ws vet

[frank basin]

You love "always prepared"

Hand-Free reload db

[tame lodge]

Dude it's not a high havoc build

Clearly you're spreading misinformation

[pastel knoll]

does anyone have a fun double barrel shotgun build for havoc? teach me your ways

[atomic void]

infinite cleave is mid

u dont get it

[slow sky]

You're just killing trash that the purg staff would have killed anyway

Actual fucking dog shit

[atomic void]

back 2 sedation blud

[turbid ibex]

Pinned guide

[pastel knoll]

I feel like the pinned shotgun build not running field improv. (un favor of serrated blade) and grenade tinkerer (in order to run an extra +25 toughness is a bit rough?

is serrated blade really good

[tame lodge]

The proper answer is it depends

But I mostly consider it meh

But that's just me you know

Ok so

[pastel knoll]

also, isnt it not worth it to run krak grenades without grenade tinkerer

[tame lodge]

I assume the pinned build has power sword as melee

[pastel knoll]

naw its sapper and combat blade

[tame lodge]

And with sunder that's ~44 cleave

So good serrated value

[pastel knoll]

the power sword as melee is for the "havoc meta" which is rockin the plasma gun though its build is pretty close to combat shotgun one they have (slayer build)

[tame lodge]

Eh
Shovel has about 10 cleave with some eh horde clearing so bleed might end up helping (or you could just shoot DB into crowds)

[pastel knoll]

guess just run powersword double barrel then dont need krak?

kill carapace with bleed?

[tame lodge]

Psword covers all grounds so you can just use whatever grenade

And DB is like top tier mixed horde clear

Just faltering if Crushers get involved

Which is probably why kraks

[tame lodge]

Possible due to uncanny strike
Although probably a bit slow

Which is why shovel/knife/dueling sword are usually paired with Manstopper Flechette DB

[pastel knoll]

ok, thank you for the info

[hybrid pulsar]

Hey guys

What gun and build is decent for the power falchion

Also which mark is better ?

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[hybrid pulsar]

What?

[tidal fox]

nothing power falchion is just a little funny

[hybrid pulsar]

Yeah but I wanna level it up

Power sword is already maxed out so I wanna spice up my weapon love life

[hollow ibex]

mk1 is better

and gun is whatever you want

falch's an all-rounder

whose only weakness is being very mid

[hybrid pulsar]

Isn’t mk2b better for overall?

Seems 1 heavy damage is good but clearing is mid