veteran-class

[fluid tulip]

that weapon is good if your good

but i’ll submit

[silver patrol]

i dunno you just swap to it and aim

[atomic void]

shitstol as a way to shorten the name will never fail to make me loooogghhh

[fluid tulip]

i guess

ima die on this hill that thing doesn’t do enough damage at all on havoc

and they needa buff it triple barrel purple mark build is better then that shit pistol

[hollow ibex]

havoc is a meme mode

a lot of weapons just won't work well in havoc

[silver patrol]

i myself think the game should be balanced on uprising

[fluid tulip]

what other game mode would i be calling the piston trash on

nun

[hollow ibex]

saying a weapon in trash in havoc tells you nothing about the gun

the revolver is trash in havoc, and it's an exceptionally good gun

[fluid tulip]

HuH

your trolling me

[austere mica]

Revolver can't hit it's breakpoints in havoc

[hollow ibex]

i'm not the one with the consecutive hot takes brother

[austere mica]

But it works perfectly in auric

[fluid tulip]

1 hot take bae

[silver patrol]

man i remember when you could aim the revolver and down a crusher with a headshot

[hollow ibex]

2nd one

[fluid tulip]

i seen a hivescum running around with the fanning one

i was pissed

[austere mica]

I wonder if you can still 1 tap a crusher with tknives

[hollow ibex]

you still can on the right builds

[fluid tulip]

but he wasn’t dying so i’m for it

[silver patrol]

yeah but back then you just

like, you didn't even have to try that hard

[fluid tulip]

how about we all sign a petition for havoc to be made not the most boring shit ever and let us play more maps

i’m tired of this starvation

i don’t wanna play warren 19 no mo

[austere mica]

That would require a more significant rebalance than you think

Here for it but it would be an Investment

[fluid tulip]

if they’d stop dropping filler content like shit events it would be easier

but yes your right

a lot of of work

[silver patrol]

what filler content

i don't think these stupid events take more than like 2 hours to make

they sure think them up in 10 minutes considering how awful they are

[fluid tulip]

yeah you got me there

not even content

just a piece of candy

[orchid hemlock]

Other than weapon balance and the cosmetic shop I honestly don't think Fatshark really needs to do anything

People in the current market think that content drops are a requirement instead of stepping back and asking if it actually is necessary

[fluid tulip]

content drops aren’t a requirement if the player base feels like they have content to look forward too right?

or to do

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think content is the problem of Darktide

The problem is how badly the game is designed to be a learning experience for newer players

[fluid tulip]

man this ain’t warframe

[fair shale]

I'd like new missions but I'm also okay with them taking awhile

I feel like we've barely scratched DT's narrative surface

[fluid tulip]

but i guess yeah all the stats and shit go wayyy deep for a newer player to recognize

or meanings of stuff

[fluid tulip]

we still at the top of the hill your right

[tidal fox]

it's not that bad

only the numbers need some knowledge

game mechanics are pretty simple and intuitive

[orchid hemlock]

Because if you look at the playerbase it is mostly divided by 2 groups

People who are brand new or very sparsely come in and out

Or people who spam havoc 40s or auric Maels all day

The issue therefore is the in between

[tidal fox]

big armored boy deflects your sword = armor!

[fluid tulip]

it’s not but when you hear the havoc players talking about breakpoints and dots it’s probably confusing for some people

that don’t know this stuff

[tidal fox]

that's assuming youre in the discord in the first place

a newer player would be more concerned about getting a character to level 30 rather than havoc

[fluid tulip]

think of console players that can’t even do havoc meat grinder

[fluid tulip]

that wasn’t my point

the game doesn’t explain stuffs importance

as well as it should or some might expect

[hollow ibex]

press WASD to move

press LMB to fire

🙂‍↕️

[fluid tulip]

😭

[tidal fox]

see heretics -> shoot 'em

life's simple

[orchid hemlock]

Bring back streamer mode from Vermintide

Will fix game trust

Have the chat decide to spawn 50 tox bombers

[fluid tulip]

is vermintide worth playing if i’ve never played it until now?

i see all those dlcs

that ima probably have to buy

[tidal fox]

game already does that

[orchid hemlock]

Truuuu

[tidal fox]

maybe like

100 tox bombers

more accurate

with 5x the range

[orchid hemlock]

THE ROT THE ROT THE ROT ROTROTROTTHE ROT CONSUMEROTSONSUMESROTROTBSJSHSHE

[tidal fox]

THOU ART CHOSEN... tweaking noises

[fluid tulip]

ai director smokes atleast 3 joints a hour with the decisions it makes

he’s holding strings over our asses

[orchid hemlock]

I think Fatshark just needs to drop havoc and instead put those modifiers into auric games

Just looney toons level shit

Like idk mini bosses that are the size of a football

Or modifiers that make it so that when you kill a trapper it spawns into 10 trappers

Or merge the event modifiers with havoc modifiers

[tidal fox]

Make havoc public.

instead of having to get a goddamn

strike team

why dont we just run quickplay on havoc

simple

[fluid tulip]

that would be fire/dangerous asf

[tidal fox]

anything to finish those penances atp bro

im never gonna find a goddamn

strike team to constantly q with

[orchid hemlock]

I think they should just remove havoc and make Havoc 30 the next difficulty

[fluid tulip]

just to get declined by the hive scum

[tidal fox]

but what about the weekly rewards

[fluid tulip]

like fuck i’m tired of waiting

[tidal fox]

declined by the 3 hivescum group

[fluid tulip]

😂😂

who put these **** in charge

[orchid hemlock]

Make a havoc mode where you can't lock in Psyker Scum or Vet 😈

[fluid tulip]

oh wait themselves!

[tidal fox]

make a havoc mode where if you dont have yellow items you can't join any groups

[fluid tulip]

make a havoc mode where they ban certain items

[orchid hemlock]

Grey items only

[fluid tulip]

holyyyyyy comp

DS slaves punished

relic blade? nope time to use combat axe martyrdom

[tidal fox]

would be kinda cool

make it a havoc modifier

"The Messiah's Fading Light"

"All weapons are profane."

[fluid tulip]

pus hardened skin against your grey plasma gun

do you know how fucked we are

[tidal fox]

it's havoc for a reason

[blazing jetty]

power sword users in shambles

[fluid tulip]

is power falcon similar to power sword? i’ve never swung it/used it i just i need to know if the mobility is just as bad

[tidal fox]

the mobility is much better

but da damage

is a lot worse

[silver patrol]

not at all

[tidal fox]

than ps

[silver patrol]

power falcon is a butter knife version of the relic sword

[fluid tulip]

thanks donte

[fluid tulip]

fuck

[silver patrol]

and yeah it's very mid

[tidal fox]

it's got cleave though!

[fluid tulip]

😭😐

[silver patrol]

there is a reason why all discussion about it died like the day after it released

[amber vortex]

I just like chainsword

I dunno

[fluid tulip]

stop

[amber vortex]

B-but

[fluid tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

[amber vortex]

Chainsword makes funneh sound

Chainsword go bbbrrrr

[fluid tulip]

i’d rather use a shock maul made out of paper

[amber vortex]

B-but rev

It's useful....kinda

Sometimes

[tall torrent]

maps & weapons

[fluid tulip]

maps is should be the one of the main focus every darktider knows we’re starving

[amber vortex]

Nah, more krieg reskins

[fluid tulip]

yeah give the players more masks with one lighting bolt on it and act like it don’t resemble SS

dumb ass shit

[amber vortex]

I like the steel legion tho, they're yellow. Best colour

[tall torrent]

falchion is what if u made powersword have <1/2 of its dps and gave it standard melee weapon dodge stats

[fluid tulip]

i like non nazi drip

[orchid hemlock]

I feel like Fatshark is 50/50 when it comes to weapons

[fluid tulip]

they finna ban me

[tall torrent]

they need to make older existing weapons better, and make new weapons that are actually good

[fluid tulip]

the yellow ski mask on ogryn is lowkey DC flash with the red reject outfit i should of got it

[amber vortex]

Honestly, think it looks more like the British union of fascist symbol than S.S, if we're being honest (is that ok to say?) But it's just a lighting bolt

[atomic void]

what is bro waffling on about

there's 0 nazi drip in the game

[amber vortex]

Dunno

[fluid tulip]

take the blindfold off

[atomic void]

?

are you trolling or srs

[fluid tulip]

you tell me 👅

[amber vortex]

It's just a lighting bolt, cause fast

[atomic void]

aight good bait sir

[amber vortex]

Steel legion fast, cause mechanized warfare

[silver patrol]

are you calling the steel legion nazi aesthetics

actually i get what you mean

[fluid tulip]

yeah you should

it’s not at all a far fetched thing to say

[atomic void]

steel leigon i literally just inspired by british ww2 suits

[silver patrol]

but i don't think that aesthetics is just ww2 germany

[fluid tulip]

not saying it’s only based on that

true

[atomic void]

its 40k there's a lot of ww1 and ww2 inspired designs

its not that deep

[amber vortex]

It's like the krieg, a mix of various armies (but not as lame)

[silver patrol]

and yellow

[fluid tulip]

if it was deep i wouldn’t be playing the game bruh

just mentioned the resemblance

[amber vortex]

Best colour

[silver patrol]

horrible

mhhh yes today i will make myself an easier target

[amber vortex]

Yellow>not yellow

[fluid tulip]

the yellow is so good and bad

banana suit

[amber vortex]

Still better than grey and blue

[fluid tulip]

facts

[fluid tulip]

yeah that includes putting one lightning bolt inside a circle on the side of a helmet (guess who else did that but with two 😔)

[fluid tulip]

you buy the pirate drip?

that pirate vet is hilarious

[atomic void]

if my grandma had wheels she would have been a bike ahh statement

[hollow ibex]

does anyone have a pic of the cosmetic

[fluid tulip]

nah wheelchair bound

[hollow ibex]

i'm curious now lol

[fluid tulip]

there’s like 8 bro

[hollow ibex]

i haven't been paying attention to the slop shop

[fluid tulip]

your a strong man

let me see if it’s still in the shop

[hollow ibex]

oh i've caved plenty of times lol

[fluid tulip]

😂

the drip is drip my boy

one cant resist drip for ever

[hollow ibex]

true true

[fluid tulip]

my friend sent me a picture

but this one can be looked over

[amber vortex]

It's cool, kinda got my vet drip figured out on this point

[fluid tulip]

but vet is where it gets

[amber vortex]

Would like the old steel legion jacket, but we already had a rotation that was basically the same thing

[fluid tulip]

bro i hate how they always put out like the good sets right

but they will put the 3 trash versions of the piece for example the coats and then drop the one that looks wayyy better

yk how many times i’ve bought some drip and then they drop the other 1 or 2 color ways that happen to be way sexier

not tryna complain

but this is what happens when you have no patience for the fashion like my dumb ass

[hollow ibex]

oh tbf this lighting sympbol looks way different

i don't think it's particularly close to the n*zi runes

[fluid tulip]

bro that’s a thin ass line

[hollow ibex]

ehh this one is pretty far off imo

[fluid tulip]

you can’t blame me tho

[void dragon]

Can someone tell me what the Eviscerator is supposed to excel over the mk12 chain axe? The weapon feels that does everything the Evils does but has added stagger on top

[errant carbon]

Eviscerator is for aura and it hasn't had that since its rev sound was nerfed

[void dragon]

So I'm not crazy? The chaxe genuinely powercreept the Evis?

[errant carbon]

I honestly have barely used the chainaxe, but the Evis has never been that good

[void dragon]

"Cry in cool absurdly large chain weapon that is poop"

[errant carbon]

And the Relic Blade ate its lunch by doing its exact role (zealot exclusive melee, strong into everything but slow swings and poor dodging) much better

[hearty panther]

depends on which mark of each

evis 2 and chaxe 4 are dogwater imo (although i really do like the moveset on the evis 2)

[errant carbon]

Over the top space fantasy setting that runs on rule of cool but the best weapons are mundane sword, mundane knife, mundane axe

[hearty panther]

evis 15 has reeeally good clear and control along with a super meaty rev heavy. chaxe 12 is similar with less of the clear and control but an even meatier heavy and better blessings to do it

[errant carbon]

Evis 15 also has a super simple moveset, if that appeals (basically the Vermintide Executioner Sword as a chain weapon)

[void dragon]

Im not sure on that because the chaxe 12 has similar cleave values than the evis, + it has good stagger in both normal attacks to control a swarm and in its push attack that can interrupt ragers combos, the evis doesn't really have such impact iirc. Not to mention that the heavy rev of the axe is just as damaging

[fresh heath]

I need help with my veteran class and getting better weapons because I can barely survive on the lowest difficulty and I don’t really have good weapons

[hearty panther]

its not the numbers its the moveset

chaxe12 is sharply angled

you basically cannot hit two heads in a single light

[void dragon]

The executer damage not needing the Rev bells and drawbacks is a beast, but turns out that chain weapons are not as great just like irl

[hearty panther]

youll still do fine in hordes because it staggers like crazy and it gets the benefit of slaughterer and headtaker

if the Evis got those two blessings this discussion would be VERY different

[tall torrent]

evis XV does more single target dmg

[hearty panther]

instead it has to make do with like, Rampage, or Perfect Strike, and Shred, and other milquetoast choices

[tall torrent]

but chainaxe XII doesn't suck abysmally vs mixed horde

[void dragon]

So the only point where it excel is on single target damage? Is the MK3 in the same boat?

[tall torrent]

mk3 doesn't do anything particularly well lol

[tall torrent]

XV is a single target 1 trick

[void dragon]

Damnit

[hearty panther]

it can meme bloodletter or w/e

[void dragon]

There is some speaking of crit build for the Evis, is it just the extra crit bleed talent or full on blazing Piety?

[tall torrent]

can do either

[void dragon]

I take martyr isn't that good because it doesn't have dodges or stagger to keep itself alive effectively so the other keystones are better

[errant carbon]

What level is your veteran and is it your first character

[tall torrent]

martyr is the best at single target dps

[fresh heath]

11 and yes

[hearty panther]

martyr also gets you close to taking the free heavy attacks node

which is quite fun

[hybrid plover]

You're just learning the game. "Better" weapons won't really do you much good since you won't ever get to use them to their fullest potential until you get to 30

[fresh heath]

I just came off of sm2 and this game is very very confusing

[hybrid plover]

Welcome to Darktide.

[errant carbon]

While you're still leveling, just use whatever equipment the game gives you, it'll be good enough, and you won't be able to get really good equipment until level 30 anyways.

If you are barely surviving because you keep getting hit by regular enemies, you need to work on that first. If you're taking this much damage at low difficulty, no build or equipment will help you survive at higher difficulty.

There are pinned guides in the channels here, Reginald on YouTube has good videos as well

[void dragon]

confusing thanks to Obesefish, but also immensely adicting (we are not sure if thanks to Obesefish, they are somewhat confusing with their track record of Ws)

[errant carbon]

Number one tip for new players, bind dodge and jump to different keys

[void dragon]

i can imagine, but the weapon having so unsafe nature makes me worried ngl, how do you run it? (if you ever run this carp i mean)

[fresh heath]

I think I might switch dodge to crouch because I keep accidentally hitting crouch instead

[void dragon]

dont dodging and sliding are 2 different things you should learn to use separated

[errant carbon]

This game revolves around dodge harder than SM2 revolves around Parry, give dodge its own key, one that you are able to press while holding a direction and doing other stuff like shooting at the same time

[tall torrent]

u perform one trick where u kill single targets well and proceed to do nothing vs mixed horde

it's the exact same story as TH

except evis XV can shred more bosses than TH, and does better at basic hordes

[tidal fox]

what are good blessings for plasma gun

flak and unyielding?

[hybrid plover]

Flak and unarmored

[tidal fox]

why unarmored

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner, dreg tox bomber

[tidal fox]

does it not reach 1shot bodyshot breakpoints even with exe stance without that blessing?

[tall torrent]

h40 elite/specialist have +50% health

[void dragon]

wait, so what you say is that i sould make a shroudfield build for the Eviserator?

...

why that kinda makes sense?

[tall torrent]

no?

I never said that

[mental barn]

nooooo

[faint beacon]

You have Mouse keybinds at all?

like side mouse buttons?

I cannot fucking stress enough how useful it is to have dodge binded to one and not on Space

[fresh heath]

I play on controller

[faint beacon]

Oh damn, Yeah for sanity sake rebind it to whatever feels comfortable

used to KaM

[faint beacon]

Like I cannot stress how important it is to keep Dodge and Jump seperate

You'll drastically notice the amount of times you wont die because you didn't jump trying to avoid a horde

[pastel knoll]

changing those inputs to two seperate ones has def saved my ass several times

[void dragon]

its mostly a jest, but comparing it to a THammer made me thingk i sould try

[pastel knoll]

gamers, why is Survivalist favored over Fire Team? I feel like 7.5% extra damage for the team seems better

[narrow frost]

infinite ammo vs damage that might not change time to kill

[faint beacon]

Thereotical Infinite ammo

[narrow frost]

for example it might take 3 heavy attacks from a combat axe to kill a reaper

7.5% isnt going to change that

it still takes 3 hits

[faint beacon]

if you play with your melee and gun equally you'll always have ammo uptime

Pickpocket on scum is- Survivalist unnerfed but that's a Different class

[pastel knoll]

ok good points

[faint beacon]

lets not worry about that

Basically Veteran is a Hybrid class

you always want ammo for Specials/Elites

[pastel knoll]

ty ty

[formal ice]

Galeo

[pastel knoll]

now, do you gamers usually use Focus Target or Weapon Specialist? Or does it come down to the modifiers (of the mission) for most part

[faint beacon]

All of them

[formal ice]

Why do you look like Blue Diamond from Steven Universe

[faint beacon]

all of them are good

[formal ice]

When far away

[faint beacon]

Idk, probably cause of small ratio size

[pastel knoll]

so just what ever someone prefers to play with?

[formal ice]

I think it's because of the blue

[faint beacon]

It depends on the weapon

I just say all of them are good though

[pastel knoll]

for power sword and plasma gun (meta here i come)

[faint beacon]

but like I said dependent on what you're using in your loadout

Veteran is a class where you build around your weapons

instead of your weapons around your build

If that makes sense

[pastel knoll]

it does

[faint beacon]

FT, WS

both work

MMF no

Plasma doesn't benefit from Marksmen Focus

Both Auto Weapons (Minus Braced)

benefit from Marksmen Focus

Helbore and Infantry las does also

[pastel knoll]

is it common to see helbore and infantry las in higher havoc missions?

[faint beacon]

Focus Target is a general all round pick that works on everything cause reminder (You dont need to get the kills for the buffs, if someone kills it you also get the buffs)

[faint beacon]

@narrow frost is insane enough to use ILAS

Helbore is literally a Side-grade to plasma

You play more passive but it fucking nukes things in Havoc 40

[pastel knoll]

Im trying to just make a hella meta vet build so I can get funds for bullshit

[faint beacon]

I'd recommend like

well depends on how you want to build it

but you generally want a good neutral melee for horde clear

cause your Helbore would be for pick targets

I can like list 3 good picks but I'll stress like some over others cause sometimes in Havoc you want mobility more over raw damage on Veteran

cause this class in Havoc is the definition of all or nothing

you either Nuke like crazy

or die in 10 seconds

[void dragon]

@tall torrent sorry for bother, what you think are good perk pair for the Evis?

[faint beacon]

I was about to just ping Willow

[faint beacon]

@severe gale I summon you, cause you're the dedicated Evis Main

[severe gale]

shred perfect strike with blazing piety for cleave

shred rampage (wrath/savage sweep rampage if going into high havocs) with IJ or martyrdom

[tall torrent]

Flak carapace
Shred + perfect strike

[severe gale]

or bloodthirsty rampage if you wanna use something a little different

ohg ya i forgot perks

flak elites or flak carapace

flak elites should meet the crusher breakpoint with other buffs up

[tall torrent]

Tho if u want to specialize in what XV does best u can actually run smth cursed like shred + bloodthirsty

Since it’s just ass at mixed horde no matter what u do

[severe gale]

shred bloodthirsty is pointless

rampage bloodthirsty

is better

[tall torrent]

Rampage is better on Dreg seed

On scab seed rampage does basically nothing without perfect strike to enable it on mixed horde

[severe gale]

as long as there isn’t a crusher or bulwark (which you can kill quickly anyway with bloodthirsty), you’ll cleave fine

[tall torrent]

Mauler and scab rager are 10 mass, with carapace to end cleave

And scab seed is just them spammed

[severe gale]

shred is a very minimal damage increase

rampage at least helps against pox hordes

[hearty panther]

against the odds gets your lights up to what

like 15 mass cleave

[severe gale]

i think so

14

not sure

but it should be enough to cleave one mauler

[tall torrent]

16.35 which makes 0 difference vs mauler & scab rager

[hearty panther]

cleave is the dump usually right

[severe gale]

yah

only changes it by one

[hearty panther]

but yeah you're not cleaving too many scabbies

[tall torrent]

U can go through 1 mauler (body) or 1 scab rager (head) by default

[void dragon]

do you have builds for those variants? i want to try using the weapon but i dont think i know how to build it properly

[hearty panther]

i just do pstrike and shred

[severe gale]

yah i can give u a couple, gimme just a sec

[hearty panther]

carapace elite cause w/e

flak numbers are already p good by default

[tall torrent]

Cleave related just aren’t that relevant vs scab seed if u can’t get to 20+ consistently and not end cleave on carapace

Which u can only achieve with perfect strike

[severe gale]

can drop duelist for something else if u want, but theres not much else u could take

[tall torrent]

Bleed for damage taken

Is alr

[severe gale]

whuh

[tall torrent]

blinded by blood

enemies applied bleed by u take x115% dmg for 5s

that one pretty good

[severe gale]

same evis applies to both, can take wrath or savage sweep if ur going into high havocs or just want more cleave

[severe gale]

im not taking it

only applies to second hit, only applies if you inflict it, only matters really against bosses and ogryns

[pastel knoll]

when using a plasma gun and power sword would you just use the plasma gun to kill elites from distance and sword for rest? Is it better to hit a boss with melee or gun in this case

[severe gale]

melee bosses unless burgle weakspot

[void dragon]

does this work best with the mk3? can i change to the other one?

also many thanks for the builds mate

[severe gale]

i prefer mk3 in all situations, but mk15 is numerically a little better

mk3 does better against mixed hordes, but thats really it

mk15 is braindead to use, and does more single target damage with revved heavies

shred PS is best with mk3 imo, whereas rampage shred/bloodthirsty is best with mk15

mk3 is just more fun to use

[severe gale]

and yah of course

also note that perfect strike allows you to cleave carapace and bulwark shields

(you wont damage the bulwark through the shield, though)

[tall torrent]

it applies to saw atks fairly well

[severe gale]

not really much id drop for it tbh

could drop 20% CDR on elite kill but then ur giving up 5 seconds off each cooldown

desperation is a fairly consistent 10-20% damage

[tall torrent]

how is it 5s

[severe gale]

6s

whatever

[tall torrent]

but it isn't?

it's only 6s if u have no CD rate bonus

[severe gale]

its still good to have, especially considering the reduced up time of CDR talents

[tall torrent]

3s with IoD fully active

[severe gale]

still worth it to have

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[severe gale]

in my humble little opinion (fact)

[tall torrent]

I think it's worth more for martyr and less for the other 2

[severe gale]

i agree, but its still a nice talent to have

id rather have it over blinded by blood

[tall torrent]

I think blinded by blood is usually better than desperation for crit build

[severe gale]

eh

disagree

[tall torrent]

xdmg taken is usually better than +dmg

[pastel knoll]

gamers, why ever use the plasma gun? I feel like Im missing out on why its considered meta

[void dragon]

plasma has stupid cleave on its m1

[tall torrent]

aim at head lvl and hipfire at gunners, flamers, bombers, trappers, etc

[pastel knoll]

does it clear shotguns for that case?

[tall torrent]

it's not even close?

[pastel knoll]

just wondering cause I love shotguns

[tall torrent]

shotguns are not reliable 1 taps

plasma is

[pastel knoll]

so plasma gun clears for hordes of elites

[tall torrent]

u just shoot it at ranged elites & specialists (except mutant, hound & burster) for the most part

[pastel knoll]

ok ty ty

in the pinned veteran guide when it mentions SP > PA like below is that just special attack then a light attack?

for power sword

[tall torrent]

special, push attack, light 4, light 1

[pastel knoll]

tysm

[spice osprey]

when im ursarkar creeding all over the place with the trench fighter drill perc but the juzz (judge huzz) genuinely catches my professional ahh geeking with the shout 30 and the crusher lowursarkerkenuinely (lowkey + ursarker + genuinely) splits the atoms in my body

https://tenor.com/view/amanda-young-the-pig-saw-meme-surprised-gif-12705893827016110482

[tame lodge]

I fucking hate that lowusarkerkenuinely

You're lucky I couldn't find Oj Simpson following the niche gloving trend

[wild vortex]

is general chat leaking again

[hybrid plover]

this is a fucking cognitohazard

[tidal fox]

turn this one into a servitor

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kk-ok-1

[fickle narwhal]

Is this the meta build for plasma rifle veteran havoc?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[plain osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YRMY3FBLPIY?si=jrXc-0jgW9gy88Z8

God i love the cadian

[charred halo]

can someone explain to me how i died here

[toxic reef]

groaner hit you in the back

you could hear the backstab alert

at 3 seconds in

[charred halo]

completely ignoring the fact i didnt even have grey screen?

[silver patrol]

groaners inflict corruption

[toxic reef]

and you were already close to wound 1 corrpution

[silver patrol]

i think it pushed you beyond your first wound and also killed you

[toxic reef]

ye it would've just downed you with less corruption

[unreal nova]

If that is Havoc, absolutely backstabbed by any melee counts.

[toxic reef]

yeah the health is havoc levels

being that alone in havoc is never a good idea regardless

[unreal nova]

Also, think poxwalkers are the zombos, groaners are the infected but not quite.

[silver patrol]

yeah

[toxic reef]

yeah I just use them interchangeably

[silver patrol]

for all intent and purposes, they are basically the same thing, but yeah

[plain osprey]

Sliding does not stop you from getting hit even If it seems that the enemy is out of reach. Only hive scum can do that and its a talent point. Instead, turn sideways in the direction you wanna go, dodge, turn chest facing direction you wanna continue going in and then slide

[toxic reef]

because I don't remember and want to call them all common infected lol

[unreal nova]

One is just hp damage, the other slaps with corruption. Lul.

[silver patrol]

yeah but it's so rare to get hit by them in the first place

[toxic reef]

blocks are 360 as well, just take more stamina if the attack is not from the front

I think it was a moebian 21st?

[silver patrol]

they are mostly the blob that stops movement and makes a nice sound when you plant your sword in them

[toxic reef]

which are like the worst ones to face

[silver patrol]

moebians are bruisers i think

[unreal nova]

Usually it's that lone guy you thought you killed but DUNDUNDUH, it's not dead yet.

[silver patrol]

"oh jee i'm near the end of the mission with 0 damage taken"

The humble but nefarious groaner behind you:

[unreal nova]

2 hp damage taken.

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[toxic reef]

yeah p much, tho I would prob use power sword over falchion

maybe kraks as well

[trail ore]

I got that penance as ogryn on auric rolling steel, somehow.

with the build that's specifically made to soak up damage

[fickle narwhal]

tons of people is using krak on havoc, is it much better due the damage than the control that frag grenades gives you? always like that extra control

[silver patrol]

it just kills crushers

[fickle narwhal]

i see, crushers are probably a bigger problem that some crown control, consider u have the voice

[toxic reef]

yeah it became the standard after the vet rework and kraks being buffed and easier to enchance

before that it was shredders

[tall torrent]

low toughness -> attack deals close to its max dmg
poxwalker attack has 25% baked in corruption, which was enough to bring your corruption over 1 wound, so the remaining damage kills

[unreal nova]

It was havoc. Basically anything melee will kill.

[tall torrent]

krak is good for grouped up crushers & bulwarks
frags are more flexible mixed horde dps, and can be used to break gunner formation

[tall torrent]

havoc has additional % corruption from melee which adds onto poxwalkers' base 25%

[fickle narwhal]

Is that so? I notice while using it that it has very low range to be a grenade

Like hitting only 1 on a wave

[tall torrent]

it's a single target grenade

u need enemies quite grouped together

[unreal nova]

Is why anything would kill, close to final wound so...

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14163724772768165489/A6D5055F3DD278D90E7C458DBCD6CDE7CEF05298/

example

[toxic reef]

it was a twin throw but ye

[fickle narwhal]

Ohh i see, i don’t have the multiple throw grenade skill perk

But probably is nearly

[tall torrent]

u don't need grenadier for krak to work

u can see that when the first krak goes off

the rightmost crusher is just stagged and doesn't die

[fickle narwhal]

Interesting thanks for the example

[tall torrent]

that's roughly how close they have to be to die to the same krak

if u use krak for havoc u need to use grenade tinkerer

[toxic reef]

surprisingly not hard to get them that close in havoc

[tall torrent]

otherwise it doesn't do enough dmg to 1 shot crushers and is just awkward

grenadier is not required for krak

grenadier however is very good for frag

[unreal nova]

2% chance for room but crusher clear. XD

[tepid otter]

What's a tontine

[turbid ibex]

something Rekyspa is clearly not interested in

[errant carbon]

A scheme where everyone puts their money into a pool and the last survivor gets to collect

[turbid ibex]

so basically a mrbeast video

[fair shale]

@tall torrent idk if I'm fucking with block eff tbh

Like I understand the value of it

[narrow frost]

It's weapon/team/difficulty/map seed dependent

Ragers/captains/twins help to have block

Weapons that use push attack helps

Dregs have more ragers

And if you team is bad you are going to res more

[desert viper]

it's insane for push attack GS

oh wait not zealot chat

[narrow frost]

Still falls under the context

Talking about curio perk setups that path uses for human classes

[fair shale]

Yeah

[fair shale]

Agreed

[fair shale]

Agreed

[narrow frost]

There isn't often other perks that could help more in those situations

[fair shale]

Yeah, I suppose, it just doesn't feel useful most of the game

Granted rez speed isn't either

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s best but for the times when block matters, it’s pretty good

[fair shale]

I just do not block very commonly

Unless I'm rezzing

[tall torrent]

If u block cancel atks it kinda is noticeable

[fair shale]

I do not very often if ever

[hearty panther]

pushing, push attacking, whatever

blocks happen more often than people think and while i dont deny they took a step down compared to their value in vermintide 2 i think people still sleep on blocking way too much

[tall torrent]

shud be 15% minimum

preferably 20%

[hearty panther]

percent of what

[silver patrol]

you say that but i always see less than 10 blocked hits in every game

[hearty panther]

yes but people expect it to be zero

[silver patrol]

in the entire team

[mystic pilot]

helps when they're staggered so they dont start spreading out like voice of command

[frank basin]

@tall torrent did bgun carapace adm got worsen or no changes?

[tall torrent]

not changed

[wild vortex]

That's a different problem and also would generally not count push attacks

[silver patrol]

What do you mean

[wild vortex]

Block eff matters to reduce cost of push attacks

[silver patrol]

Wow sounds lame

Also of course block efficiency reduces cost of the push attacks

[wild vortex]

Also tbh since I put block eff on my curios it's subtly encouraging me to block better

[silver patrol]

Truly fatshark stuff

[gilded wraith]

Decisions... decisions... Redirect Fire or Agile Engagement on Taxe/Recon?

[tall torrent]

it doesn't

block cost is just block cost

[wild vortex]

I am gonna test this again later but i distinctly recall it being cheaper when i tried it yesterday

[tall torrent]

it doesn't

defences stat does affect push cost & block cost

but block cost doesn't affect push cost

[thorn lark]

What if you put +10% xp *3 on it

[hearty panther]

only invigorated under WS does it

for vet anyway

[slow spade]

I find Agile Engagement doesn't impact long enough to really help Recon

I'd suggest Redirect Fire

[drowsy perch]

you know rashad combat axe goated actually

you think it doesnt have good horde clear but it does

push into melee is a good cleave wing

uses stamina but whartever

also chat

i cant decide if i want scattershot on the arginappa

i changed my mind already

i do

[tired wolf]

the tac axe is goated toooooo

[hollow ibex]

pro tip: literally every human melee with brutal momentum has good horde clear

[brisk epoch]

what playstyles are recon lasgun and the spear bolter

hello?

im tryna figure out which one would be best for me

[formal ice]

Dude it's 1 in the morning

[brisk epoch]

the fuck where do you live

[slow spade]

Brb changing every horde's hp to melee damage + 1

[formal ice]

Below the most popular continent place

Also don't swear

Swearing is rude for a grey namer

[brisk epoch]

no wonder

im in california dude

[formal ice]

So like

In the not popular continent

[slow spade]

Can't believe you live in Antartica

[drowsy perch]

recon las benefits most from a crit build (so mainly holding m1)

spearhead bolter is good for high burst damage

long ass reload and mid ammo count

so usually a whip it out to melt a boss/crushers etc and use melee rest of the time

[brisk epoch]

alr thx

wait whats the best recon lasgun version

best version is the one with the dark green colour right

[drowsy perch]

uuhh

either highest damage or middle damage

lowest is funny but not really good

highest is more like a fullauto rifle

the mid damage one is my favorite because its fast but does ok damage

[hollow ibex]

Mk6

[hollow ibex]

the nerf brumentum needed 🙂‍↕️

[brisk epoch]

what pairs good with flak on mk6

would unyielding or maniac be better

[hollow ibex]

i take unyielding crit chance personally

crit chance is good for the infernus procs

[brisk epoch]

is plus 5percent of crit chance even much of a difference

[hollow ibex]

in practice it's higher due to crit strings

[gilded wraith]

Pairs well with Shock Trooper as well if you go that far down left.

[brisk epoch]

I have it equipped

[drowsy perch]

5+ can be a big difference when it scales

it seems small but going from 45% to 50% is a legit change

[hybrid plover]

tbh

5% crit chance isn't actually that significant

it's why you tend not to put it on most weapons

for recon in particular

5% crit chance is not just 5% of your shots being crits because of strings

basically a crit is more like 3 crits when it actually procs

[dry cloak]

Also

[hybrid plover]

same deal on something like vraks infantry

[dry cloak]

Burst weapons have a fun quirk

Crits make whole burst critical

[hybrid plover]

yep, crit strings

vig auto crits are huge

[dry cloak]

2 rounds and 3 rounds

Also mk6 ripper

[agile mortar]

hi guys, how crazy am I to have an entire level 30 Veteran Build that uses basically JUST the Helbore as its only melee and ranged? Like yeah I Have a shovel, but that doesn't mean I'm using it often. Oh and Krak, of course

[toxic reef]

I mean it's a bit silly if you're surrounded by a horde and you're using the bayonet

otherwise you can get by p well with just helbore

also with enough MMF stacks in exec stance you can even shoot crushers to death

[austere mica]

You're about 2 years too late

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-kelso-that-70s-show-gif-26311276

[dry cloak]

With helbore you can just shoot crushers

[formal ice]

With your fists you can kill a crusher

Eventually

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-25399069

[agile mortar]

yo guys
between the Combat Shotty, DB Shotty, Shredder Pistol, Heavy Sword, Chainaxe, Power Falchion, and Shock Maul
which one should I try to get a perfect version of at Brunt's?

[ocean crater]

Personally I love combat shotty special ammo

[agile mortar]

yeah fair
especially because I actually have a build that uses a Combat Shotty which isn't true for any of these others

ok nice that's the Shotty

which one next?

I think... I might try to grab Shock Maul because it's the most unique one left

Shredder? Braced Autogun is similar
DB? Combat is similar
Heavy Sword? Catachan is similar
Chainaxe? Chainsword is similar
Falchion? Power Sword is similar
Shock Maul? Pretty unique

Nevermind got that too

fine, Axe it is

wait

does DB Shotty have special ammo too?

got it no

[tame lodge]

Dawg

Hsword is not similar to catachan

🥀

But yeah

Shock Maul

https://tenor.com/view/kingelmer-elmer-king-gif-15902514535197178058

[agile mortar]

They both have parry
same weapon

[pseudo fiber]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HA4JkEXWcAAvCVX.gif

[icy moat]

Hsword doesn't have a parry, it has a combo initiator

There are 3 mk's of heavy sword mind you

A lot of flavour in them

[steep flower]

Which ain’t that great majority of the times

[icy moat]

It connects into the first hit of the combo really quickly at least

But yeah, it's not exactly stellar

[steep flower]

Its better to do normal combos; its the classic ‚i have a special that usecase is minimal/too niche to be considered decent even’

[icy moat]

Real

[steep flower]

Yeah only redeeming factor
Otherwise dogshit; slower than other attacks = can’t block/push while doing it so you can get fked

[icy moat]

It really is strictly an initiator, it takes waaay to long to hit framewise

[icy moat]

Exactly

I use it cause the animation looks cool, that's about it lmao

[steep flower]

Tbh even as an initiator is worse than other normal attacks

[icy moat]

I like heavy swords tho, good moveset

[steep flower]

Its that poor imo

[icy moat]

Oh yeah, for sure

It just looks cool

[steep flower]

Alot of hippies look cool too but are useless

boomer joke

[icy moat]

Type of joke my uncle would let loose at the table during Christmas dinner

[steep flower]

Thats why i’m called
Papa

Otherwise i would just call myself
Dick

Papa Willy?
More like…
Papa Dick

[crisp wraith]

Thought it would’ve been Dick Willy, but that just sounds like a name someone tried to come up with on the spot in the shower

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[steep flower]

Its also like… buttery butter you know

[crisp wraith]

So much butter you won’t taste the butter

Just the heart attack

[steep flower]

Yeah cause its cream not butter

Whipped cream i might add

[tame lodge]

Uh
I think you got the wrong weapon
Hsword doesn't have a parry

[agile mortar]

Oh
didn't know

[ebon inlet]

So uhh

Kinda sick of using the same gun 24/7

What would you lads recommend to spice stuff up?

Even if it is the same game or just a different type of build?

Idk

[silver patrol]

i mean, you could start with saying what gun you are using 24/7

[mighty python]

Any blessing recommendations for the braced autogun?

[hearty panther]

i highly recommend the [gun you were already using]

[silver patrol]

it's ass, but the blessings are deathspitter and fire frenzy

[hearty panther]

ceaseless barrage is also pretty good in place of fire frenzy but in a different direction

[silver patrol]

i wouldn't take supressions blessings

[hearty panther]

if youre using it to mulch hordes then not so much but if its your quick and high volume response to shooters its quite dope

it stacks up pretty much instantly but yeah it only works against targets that can actually be suppressed so its effective band is narrower

[ebon inlet]

Y'know what?

Fair point my bad

[silver patrol]

It's plasma isn't it

[ebon inlet]

Either the bistol or....I think I really only use the bistol

Maybe it's the build?

It's mostly always a nade build or shout

[silver patrol]

Try in the pinned guide the sniper build

With the helbore

[ebon inlet]

Interesting

Is there combat stance builds too?

Or whatever the name is

[turbid ibex]

sniper uses stance

honestly on most builds shout and stance are pretty interchangeable

[ebon inlet]

Ohhh cool

[atomic onyx]

I'm looking to make a melee build (weapon specialist with stub revolver) but im tired of power swords, is heavy sword viable by any chance>?

[narrow frost]

Real quick, I will say all weapons are viable

Even in the highest difficulty H40

You just need to understand it's weakness

Heavy sword is one of my fav dreg seed weapons

Just understand it's moveset and low carapace adms

For the build setup the standard works best for me

[languid crypt]

dreg seed?

[atomic onyx]

I just finished my first mission with it, and i gotta admit i liked it. But Its still mastery 1 so i have no idea about the other marks, maybe it will get even better

The only question i have in my mind right now is what should be my dump stat

I feel like dumping defences low would be a mistake on melee build, kinda tempted to dump first target low since the stub revolver should be a high-prio target clearing weapons, but im open to suggestions and insight from someone with more experience with heavy swords

[narrow frost]

Havoc maps spawn only 1 faction (dreg or scab) for this context when I know it's a dreg seed I bring Hsword with his high maniac damage

For non havoc it's mixed with some maps weighted towards 1 faction iirc

[narrow frost]

Defense

Does not affect damage

[narrow frost]

I think this thought process is fine

I personally take auto weapons myself but it's preference since I know I don't struggle against armor

https://youtu.be/p3K8JmZ2Iks?si=hsHJRwWZjttGDNmV

[languid crypt]

I saw seed and my dumbass starts thinking minecraft

[narrow frost]

Very similar actually

But hard to know without mods

[narrow frost]

This is my 4 vets all with smokes H40

2 Hsword and 2 Taxes

[atomic onyx]

Love the taxe on my sniper, does solid lifting for very few melee talents

Im just on to my 7th vet build before buying hiver and I dont want half my builds running psword

[narrow frost]

All fine

Try all the weapons out

Currently having a blast with Devil claw

Fun into havoc with dregs

[atomic onyx]

Yeah i was thinking between claw and heavy, since I run neither in any other build

And I want to be flexible with weapons should any future patch mix things up

[mighty python]

Thoughts on raking fire for the infantry autogun?

[tame lodge]

It's ok

Usually 3rd pick

Flanking is also pretty easy

[mighty python]

Gotcha, ty

[versed narwhal]

What stats should I be looking for on a plasma gun

[distant plaza]

@tired egret

Or 70/70
or dump thermal

[drowsy perch]

i always forget how fun las build recon las is

laser minigun go brrrrrrrrrr

[mental barn]

Yeah i love it so much

I just made a reddit post begging fatshark to make gun only better on vet, I am sure it is happening anytime now, I want to use recon lasgun only and never take out my sword.

anyway, I have a question for pros

Imagine I have Recon Lasgun MK XII with 1200 ammi in reserve

Am I reading this correctly that my ally who has say a boltgun

is now getting 60 bolts per pop?

[turbid ibex]

it restores 1% of their reserve

[mental barn]

ah that

so 1% of theirs, not mine right?

[fair shale]

Yes

[turbid ibex]

yes

[mental barn]

ah ok

yeah this does say respective my bad

[fair shale]

Happens

[mental barn]

makes a lot more sense this way

I thought it works this way then misread the guide and thought I had stumbled into the holy grail of team support

hold recon lasgun, use psword only, profit

[turbid ibex]

its still the best aura option by far

so doesnt really change anything

[tall torrent]

Pls don’t

[mental barn]

it is ok they will just ignore me

[tall torrent]

I meant the latter part

[hollow ibex]

That’s what hive scum is for

[mental barn]

And that's not what Hivescum should be for.

Man with gun was vet, should be vet

[turbid ibex]

vet is hybrid

[mental barn]

plus hivescum has no recon lasgun

[turbid ibex]

and should be hybrid

[tall torrent]

Vet hasn’t been the ranged class for 2yrs+

[mental barn]

And?

[tall torrent]

So stop treating him as the ranged class lol

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-8601850895406729169

[mental barn]

Just because at one point a change was made that invalidated the original concept of the class doesn't mean it can't be brought back

it has dogshit perks in markman for example that could be repurposed

or maybe under exec stance

[tall torrent]

Yea we kinda all wish bottom left was better

But stance is good

[mental barn]

and nobody that goes hybrid would be able to get that and have the perks to be good at melee

one doesn't have to be deleted for the other to be available, they even have an entire skill that is only picked for memes...

why can it not be viable full ranged while also being viable (maybe even optimal) in hybrid or melee? Scum is kinda like that isn't it?

[tall torrent]

No & no

[mental barn]

Why?

Why can it not be viable as the ranged class?

which presumably it was before whatever happened 2 years ago?

[tall torrent]

Full ranged = you just don’t engage with melee at all

[tall torrent]

No, vet was never a full ranged class at any point

Vet was “ranged class” in that you were better at taking out ranged enemies than the other 3 classes

It was never “shoot at everything forever”

[turbid ibex]

the only full ranged classes we have are staff psyker and desperado scum and both are widely hated

[mental barn]

Well, there are 2 other classes that can shoot at everything forever, so clearly the design has moved on...

[tall torrent]

If ur talking about psyker and ranged hvs, both are problems

Psyker could always just do that

And ranged hvs is a clear problem

Both don’t need to engage with the game as much

[turbid ibex]

we dont need a third shoot everything forever class

[mental barn]

And do we need a second "melee only warhammer game" when there is vermintide?

mandatory melee might be a better name

[turbid ibex]

yes melee is mandatory because its a fundamental core mechanic of the game

[tall torrent]

u might want to rethink that given it's the same tide franchise that's known for melee combat

[turbid ibex]

theres a reason the game labels the melee weapon as your primary while the ranged is secondary

[mental barn]

I get it that after 2 years of forced hybridisation any shooter fans might have long ago abandoned this class and its subchat, but all this would achieve is them migrating to hivescum or psycher.

[tall torrent]

no lol vet is just more fun & useful as a hybrid class

u still counter ranged elites better than most others

which has always been what vet was good at as "the ranged class" at launch

[fair shale]

Vet still has more quality shooting than the other classes ime

[tall torrent]

vet is still the best class at taking out multiple priority targets at mid-long range quickly

[fair shale]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

your ideal image of a "shoot everything forever and never melee" vet was never really its design

remember, launch vet had power sword

[turbid ibex]

and current vet still has power sword

[mental barn]

I see two different arguments here, one is that Vet is more fun Hybrid

one is that forever shoot should not be in the game

[tall torrent]

both are true

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[mental barn]

Forever shoot is in the game though

[tall torrent]

yea, shouldn't be

[mental barn]

whether hated or not, the devs clearly have decided it is

[hollow ibex]

Unfortunately

[mental barn]

if it is, we should have it.

[hollow ibex]

To the detriment of the game

[mental barn]

as an option

cool

[hollow ibex]

It is

Helbore vet is a thing

[mental barn]

Sure

Helbore a horde please

if it works i take my hat off

[hollow ibex]

And that’s how it should be. Shoot only builds should have downsides

Problem is they don’t really

[tall torrent]

why do u want to play the game while engaging with <50% of the game's mechanics

[hollow ibex]

Why melee something when you can just shoot it with unlimited ammo

[tall torrent]

there're other "shoot everything forever" horde games for you

[hollow ibex]

10/10 game design

[mental barn]

Maybe melee is more fun, maybe melee deals more damage to bosses, maybe melee requires less aiming (which it does), maybe some enemies like bursters require melee to deal with safely (which they do), maybe melee builds get better survivability

there are many mechanics in the game to make melee better than gun other than ammo, perhaps not enough, but they could be enough...

[turbid ibex]

if melee is more fun why would you add stuff that makes you not want to melee

[somber axle]

for people who like ranged combat more than melee I guess

[tall torrent]

there're other games that do those things better

[somber axle]

what if people don't want to play those games

[turbid ibex]

too bad

[tepid otter]

they arent Darktide

[somber axle]

if people want to play Left 4 Dead they'll play Left 4 Dead

if they want to go ranged focus they'll go Psyker or Hive Scum

or funny Helbore Vet

options for people not you

because you're not the target audience

you're part of the target audience

[tall torrent]

then they should not be trying to enforce that way of playing onto a game that's not built for it

[somber axle]

they're not trying to chase people away

[mental barn]

I don't think it is unreasonable in game with infinite shooters to expect the man with gun class to be one of them, but clearly I am completely crazy and should expect it to be a maniac running around with a woodcutting axe half the time...

[somber axle]

you can disagree with a mechanic or how it affects the health of the game, but whether it appeals to you or not doesn't affect how much it appeals to others

[ebon inlet]

man i love the mk1 shovel

dunno why

[hollow ibex]

Well HIV exists

So it’s already in the game

[mental barn]

That's the point, it is the wrong way around

[tall torrent]

u can play recon lasgun with shock trooper for near infinite ammo on vet anyway

it's not like u can't

[mental barn]

if anyone should be incentivised to run into the face of 12 crushers to melee them with no concern for their safety it should be the druggie, not the man with gun. But maybe both could just have options

[tall torrent]

it's actually just, both

both are incentivised to melee crushers

if anything vet is less incentivized since u have better carapace ADM guns

not that shooting crusher is particularly smart most of the time

[mental barn]

Did I fundamentally misunderstand Sikorsky's point then? he seems to keep returning to this argument that ranged only vet is unnecessary because ranged only scum exists.

[atomic void]

its not a man with gun class

[tall torrent]

ranged "shoot everything forever" shouldn't be a thing in this game in the first place and the fact that both psyker and hvs can do it exceptionally well comes at the detriment to the rest of the game

and, you can play ranged recon lasgun vet spraying at everything which achieves largely the same result, but is a far less interesting way of playing since you just don't engage with >50% of the game's mechanics

[mental barn]

Ok, then let me be far less interested in the game and those that like melee-ing keep melee-ing

I don't see the problem

[tall torrent]

did u make a typo

[mental barn]

I have clarified

[atomic void]

this game should not have a full shooter class period

gun scum and purge psyker are the most unfun teammates ever

the enimies are literally not designed with the player having infinite ammo in mind u just mow everything down

[tall torrent]

gun scum and purge psyker are the most unfun teammates ever

[mental barn]

Ok, so the problem is that people that like to melee don't like ranged only teamates, that I can understand.

[fair shale]

Yeah I'm ngl even FGS is annoying as fuck to play with

[atomic void]

no the problem is that this is melee focused game first and foremost with hybrid combat and pure ranged just skips half of the game

[mental barn]

ok, that part I still don't understand

who gives a shit about what others "skip"

you like engaging with a certain mechanic and they don't? so what

[atomic void]

do u like spending 30 minutes on a mission doing nothing

cause i know for sure i dont

[mental barn]

that's like saying "Zealot skips part of the game because they don't spend their time lining up headshots on distant shooters"

[atomic void]

a half decent gun scum runs ahread kills everything and leaves u to spectate

[hybrid plover]

i think they were agreeing with this to be fair

[mental barn]

if they want to play that so what? The teamate argument I get, they impact your gameplay.

[atomic void]

u need to be a cracked asf zealot to murder the entire map

[fair shale]

Zealot still does that

[tall torrent]

but that statement is false because zealot does need to line up headshots on distant enemies?

[fair shale]

Knives are really common

Zealot also runs revo or bolter often

[atomic void]

oh if they just wanna paly that's fine i dont mind

i dont police builds

but im just saying

this game is wayt more fun when i dont have teammates doing screenwipes

[mental barn]

I don't understand the argument about people "skipping part of the game" unless what you mean is that they reduce your ability to enjoy that same part of the game

if they do then I get the argument

I get it that if somebody can run 3 rooms ahead and kill everything before you show up that is bad

because you can't play the game

[tall torrent]

full ranged skips >50% of the game and removes fun for others

[mental barn]

Removes fun for others is the argument then

[atomic void]

its too op and can trvilize parts of the game so it makes missions boring
its really that simple
i wont go into the fact that playing something like purge makes u effectively not engage with anything at all cause that's palyer prefernce

[tall torrent]

someone running 3 rooms ahead of you and killing everything in melee is not the most fun, but still more fun than someone doing full ranged

because u too, can run ahead and kill everything with melee

[atomic void]

lets put it this way, the enimies are too slow to do anything to a half decent purg psyker supported by a decent frontliner
the game's ai is straight up not designed to do shit to them lol

[tall torrent]

psyker would be a balanced class if they had 50 instead of 125 toughness, and all enemies permanently had x30% warp dmg taken

[tall torrent]

you're even encouraged to do so, outside havoc

[mental barn]

Now asking for a friend, say I was looking for a similarly themed shooter game, which are the "better at that than darktide" horde shooters?

[atomic void]

killing floor 2 maybe idk

[turbid ibex]

as in better for actually shooting at hordes?

drg

[atomic void]

drg aint a conventional shooting man game tbh

[turbid ibex]

its still peak

[tall torrent]

drg is prob the best "shoot at everything forever" one

[mental barn]

That's a wildly different theme and athmosphere

maybe a second best?

[atomic void]

there's a new horde shooter fps called toxic commando that just released but idk if its good or slop

[tall torrent]

yes, u wanted to shoot everything, this is shoot everything

[drowsy perch]

i do like deathwing spacehulk

[atomic void]

just try killing floor 2

[drowsy perch]

multiplayer is dead tho

[atomic void]

hell u might like killing floor 3

[tall torrent]

killing floor 2 never had a sequel buddy

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[tall torrent]

just like how pacific rim never got a sequel

[atomic void]

im so glad hollywood didnt make a sequel for 300 and gladiator

[tall torrent]

the last dawn of war game came out in 2009

[tall torrent]

idk if u'll like but SCP 5K looks pretty cool

it's gunplay oriented, with horror elements

still in early access tho

[turbid ibex]

oh i forgot about that one

[hollow ibex]

I’m so glad Hollywood never made 300

[tall torrent]

SCP fandom is milsim gunplay fanatic

[fair shale]

300 goes hard tbh

[turbid ibex]

im so glad hollywood was never made

[slow sky]

idk darktide manages to do a lot of it right
theres plenty of pve games that are team focused that dont fall under the more narrowed design of "horde shooter" that do things better

[mental barn]

TBH originally I was looking for a mage horde killer but couldn't find one polished enough

[tall torrent]

they added a mission where u play as D-class personnel testing for an AI

it's pretty funny

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/memri-memri-tv-memri-tv-shoe-arab-memes-muslim-memes-gif-2580751927145705289

[mental barn]

ended up trying tide games instead

but mage games would be fine too

guns were kind of a compromise to begin with

[turbid ibex]

that was the one in the video i saw

[tall torrent]

why not just spam psyker then

[slow sky]

the first i thought of was destiny
despite all it gets wrong, no other game makes "shoot the gun, hit the enemy, and keep doing that" feel good better than them
maybe the enemy density of warframe counts? but theres no challenge or weight in anything there, it boils down to looking at big numbers and checklists for dopamine

[tall torrent]

it does fit what ur looking for

[atomic void]

that's just psyker gaming

he's basically space mage

[mental barn]

I did actually try it

but I like to aim my shit

[slow sky]

voidstrike

[mental barn]

and their best staff doesn't aim

[tall torrent]

EK blueball gaming

[slow sky]

trauma is a runner up for best staff and you have to psuedo aim

[atomic void]

i mean u can just play hive scum then
Hive scum in aurics is basically "gun guy" if u build desperado but its more of a "bing bong wahooo man" than a marksman

[mental barn]

I did actually like their void attacks