veteran-class

[shell nexus]

Thats why, hm.

[tame lodge]

If you're inside the smoke ranged enemies stop shooting

Emphasis on inside

[shell nexus]

Understood, think it worked also on some melee.

[lean rune]

how do you get the bulwark to open up for an attack?

waiting for them to attack and dodging sounds quite slow

and i cant seem to push them

[silver patrol]

Attack the shield with something with high stagger

[lean rune]

i see

[silver patrol]

Or stagger the bulwark behind

Or throw explosives, those don't really care about the shield

[lean rune]

ya, meant without krak

[slender elm]

even frag works

[tame lodge]

Hit the shield until it opens

[spice osprey]

friggin cadia yo

friggin CADIA yo

[spice osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hal-titan-tighten-angry-enraged-gif-13278025099785723820

[midnight totem]

I ain't worried, you'll fall apart at the last second

Just like Cadia

[grand perch]

Cadia got themselves a new planet, but jokes about cadia still haven't gotten new material

[tame lodge]

Every new joke about Cadia ends up crumbling into dust

🥀

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-meme-crying-cadian-gif-8988822220365892092

[shell nexus]

Cadia stands, just in a scattered formation

[thorn lark]

so scattered we call that cadia strands

[shell nexus]

Cadia strand, forever.

[tame lodge]

Cadia Stranding

Cadia Stranding 2

[livid hill]

Dodecahedron <3

[formal ice]

I prefer the white one

[livid hill]

Danger doggy :)

[frigid shuttle]

Cadia still stands, on the Beach.

[gentle dew]

got myself a nice superlight 2 DEX to kill heretics ergonomically

[gentle dew]

any non annoying vet voices

[tame lodge]

All of them

[silver patrol]

professional

[tame lodge]

I have no idea about what annoys you

[gentle dew]

something abougt cadia

i like the traxis codes

[tame lodge]

Cutthroat is the Cadia Cadia Cadia one

Loose Cannon can't code for shit

[tidal fox]

Cadia slander in veteran chat slaughter everyone involved

[hollow ibex]

True!

[tame lodge]

So the entire chat?

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[gentle dew]

so i should stick with cadian armour cadian voice

?

[tall torrent]

U can largely get rid of his whining about Cadia by tagging enemies a lot

(Which you should be doing anyway)

[gentle dew]

then id need to use tthe trait for that

[tall torrent]

No?

U should just tag enemies in general regardless of which keystone u use

[desert viper]

pinging enemies just helps in general, with and without the keystone

[gentle dew]

ofc

im tryin gto learn the power sword atm and im so bad with it ahaha

the mkvi

i know the combos. but i realize how bads i am at melee that needs skill

any tips or jsut need to git gut?

[tall torrent]

Learn to push enemies

To prevent being surrounded

[tame lodge]

Stop dodging for 0.85 seconds to get all your dodges back

[warm gulch]

Dump stat for shotgun

I got my havoc paycheck

[gentle dew]

i feel like when im tryin gto animation cancel

[hybrid plover]

Which

[gentle dew]

i fuck up my pushes

[warm gulch]

More than likely the precise one

[gentle dew]

maybe should use mk3

power sword instead

cuz noob?

thoughts

[warm gulch]

Use power falcion

[hybrid plover]

Agripinna? That be mobility.

[gentle dew]

i just leveled this to mastery 20

[warm gulch]

Might be easier

[warm gulch]

Mobility dump stat thank you

[hybrid plover]

Which is the case for all ranged weapons that don't have collateral. Collateral is the dumpstat if so.

[tame lodge]

Mk6 is the superior sword in pretty much every metric that matters

The thing is

[warm gulch]

Maybe stability?

[tame lodge]

You just spam powered lights on mk6

And if it's something that you need to kill now

[hybrid plover]

Nah. Helbore is the only weapon worth considering that.

[tame lodge]

You power up push attack light light

[tall torrent]

U can just push from activating

[orchid hemlock]

The thing that is better on mk3 is you do not get any movement reduction when you power the sword

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is way worse

[orchid hemlock]

But that's it 💀

[gentle dew]

oh so i am stupid then ahaha. so i can just push while doing special to power

idk somehow when i was arbitrator with arbites shock mnaul my dps was much bettter

[warm gulch]

Ok honestly i have no idea how to build this thing what perks and blessings should i get

Wait I think i see something here

[orchid hemlock]

Every other class in the game wishes they can get their hands on the PS 😔

[gentle dew]

yet now i hav eit and im trash

so how to fix

[orchid hemlock]

Like Imagine a fucking Scum with it?

[hybrid plover]

Cool thing about agrippina is that you can actually try different things

[tall torrent]

Time dodge

Manipulate slots

Don’t get surrounded

It’s more rhythm than spam

[hybrid plover]

Typically people go Full Bore + No Respite though.

[tall torrent]

Maniac
Flak
Full bore
Manstopper / no respite

[gentle dew]

you dont master that in a day

[tall torrent]

Yea, u can def try tho

[gentle dew]

i am

[tall torrent]

I believe in u

[gentle dew]

so what im seein ghere = special, block, quick 3 light

repeat

[tall torrent]

Ye

And do note that you’re not blocking during special

[orchid hemlock]

He's not blocking

[tall torrent]

So you want to dodge hits during that if they’re swinging at u

[orchid hemlock]

No pushes either

[tall torrent]

And don’t spam dodge with this weapon

[gentle dew]

no he just presses it to cancel animation

right

[tall torrent]

Ye

[gentle dew]

if u get actual blocks ur doing it wrong

and for carapce you do the stab attack

right

[tall torrent]

U can get actual block

If you have no dodge left

It’s better to block a hit than to take a hit usually

[tall torrent]

Ye

PA + L4 + L1

U just start PA from activation

[gentle dew]

idk what those things evne stand for not gonna lie dude

[tall torrent]

Push attack
Light 4
Light 1

[gentle dew]

thank you sir

light 4 = the 4th in the chain thing that is the stab one

[tall torrent]

L4 is overhead

[stark holly]

it might be easier to just explain it as push attack + light + light

knowing the input is easier to understand than the specific attacks in the chain

especially when things like "PA chains into L4 / H2" are not immediately obvious, and differs from weapon to weapon

[gentle dew]

yes how you explain it makes much more sense these terms are code t ome

which one is the stab one then?

or is that overhead

[tall torrent]

PA is stab

Check pinned guide

I have movesets listed

[gentle dew]

danke

thou are a hero

did you even make the callout table

i love thatlol

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9539499558019580893/2D18747455C68F22B7AAEE0E9348BDD79DC69F84/ so this

does L4 follow after the stab automatically in the order

[gentle dew]

@tall torrent your guide is a massive help, thx! i get it now

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-it-now-ok-i-understand-it-now-i-understand-it-gurm-bear-gif-4859748791707698675

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-5970294187009681545

[gentle dew]

i get now that i am trash and lots to learn

❤️

[tame lodge]

I like the spirit

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tame lodge]

I just don't really like the words

[tall torrent]

I have the moveset chain listed as image for the weapon

[gentle dew]

im beginning to get what getting it is now

[wild vortex]

appropriate attitude for this game

[gentle dew]

only thing i get is

im baddd

[craggy relic]

question, what sub talents should I get for marksmens focus?

bc I so far have the rending and the extra stacks

[orchid hemlock]

The one that gives you toughness Regen

[craggy relic]

so should I go all of them?

[orchid hemlock]

No

[craggy relic]

as Ive been doing fine without the tough regen

then which ones should I grab

[orchid hemlock]

Rending is good on some weapons

[craggy relic]

i use boltor lol

[orchid hemlock]

Then you haven't been playing harder difficulties

[craggy relic]

maelstrom and havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Sure

Anyways, rending isn't needed on Bolt

[craggy relic]

oki

what about the stacks one?

[orchid hemlock]

More stacks is idk ok ig

[craggy relic]

tbf I was keeping it only for the rending lol

so I could try without it

[orchid hemlock]

Why do you need rending with more stacks?

[craggy relic]

insurance really-

[orchid hemlock]

Insurance for what?

[craggy relic]

if I miss some weakspot hits in melee

[orchid hemlock]

???

I don't understand

[craggy relic]

right

you keep stacks on weakspot hits

that includes melee

I had it so if I had missed an attack and lost a stack then I'd still have the rending on my weapons

[orchid hemlock]

You should be more worried on keeping the stacks up than the rending buff

[craggy relic]

again- it was just insurance-

I make sure to keep my stacks up bc it helps my reload

[orchid hemlock]

If this is a bolt gun specific problem

Then you don't need the rending anyways

[tall torrent]

tunnel vision is the best one among the three
15 stacks is ok if u alrdy have tunnel vision
15% rending is weapon dependent and usually not taken (because MF has massive opportunity cost that u might not afford its subnodes in the first place)

[craggy relic]

Sooo keep with the tough regen?

[tall torrent]

what's ur overall tree

[craggy relic]

Gunner

I got krak, ammo aura, and then volley fire with boltor

[tall torrent]

show full tree pls

[craggy relic]

O u gh

I cant atm

Dm and i’ll show you later?

[tall torrent]

sure

[orchid hemlock]

Post that video of you having MF and Ability Regen 😈

[tall torrent]

I don't run ability regen

[orchid hemlock]

No I mean toughness Regen

[gentle dew]

how are female vet voices

[heavy rover]

Loose cannon is fun

[halcyon blaze]

Female Cuthroat is pretty good, less shouty than Male Cutthroat though she will still get hyped up with the Voice of Command lines.
Loose Cannon Female is indeed fun, she flirts with a bunch of other rejects.

[gentle dew]

did someone say flirt? i'd have to cost benefit analysis flirting benefit of losing benefit of doing veteran callouts like traxis 77

loose cannon one doesnt say those right

traxis- something trheys ay

they say

[slow sky]

any that they do attempt to call out properly they mess up

shotgunners code is traxis 4
loose cannon says traxis 12

[gentle dew]

hahha i love that kind of detail

also how they added all the arbitrator ones

[slow sky]

that arbitrator had sex with HOW MANY MINORS??

107???

[gentle dew]

hahaha

[slow sky]

what an unfortunate code system

[lunar maple]

What’s wrong with being Shouty?

[gentle dew]

for cadia for cadia for cadia..

i mean comeon

the male one gets old 😄

[tame lodge]

Sextus minoris one oh five

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[lunar maple]

Cadia doesn’t get old

😠

[empty heart]

are there any good melee weapons for vet other than ds, i feel like whatever i play in >auric difficulty my sniping build with knife is not cutting it

so definitely a hybrid build is probably more effective. (some melee with plasma and malefic mom)

are sniper builds even viable in harder dificulties

[narrow frost]

yes

[narrow frost]

most weapons can

taxes, power sword, knife, ds

[empty heart]

liked power falcion more than sword

should I go malefic momentum switching between 2 weapons build

or just sniping build with power sword/falcion

[narrow frost]

whatever you have fun with

[gentle dew]

ngl i like loose cannon female it's a good one

[halcyon blaze]

Nothing wrong with shouty, Male Cutthroat is my first character and main Vet.

[slow sky]

dont forget the shovels

mk1 one notably

[lunar maple]

CADIA

[halcyon blaze]

FOR CREED!

[gentle dew]

tbh i feel like i cant wear cadian armour now as female cutthroat\

and that makes me feel lost

do i have to buy the cosmetic on final page now

what are they even

the yellow tint armoor

[lunar maple]

Wdy mean?

[gentle dew]

im not a caidan anymore

oh wait

im confusing stuff i mean i am loose cannon

[tidal fox]

if youre in the imperium cadia lives within you

[tall torrent]

U can be a Cadian loose cannon lol

[lunar maple]

You can be frm cadia still I think

Yeah

[tall torrent]

It actually has special dialogue with cutthroat

[gentle dew]

yeah but that's like being a fake cadian]

real cadians screaam FOR cadia

[tall torrent]

Nah

[lunar maple]

lol you can still wear the armor if your from cadia

If your not from cadia it’s racist tho

[gentle dew]

i see. i change rperfsonality to just be from cadia then

[distant plaza]

WAR CALLS AND I ANSWER

[empty heart]

what build and weapon is this

[serene bough]

Thats vraks5

Build idk, but kraks stick and 1hko destructive terrain like objectives and barrels

[atomic void]

broski died to trash

[fringe onyx]

bro wanted to go point blank vs mob

[tame lodge]

Oh wow

It's rare to see kraks in the containers

That's fucking based af

Love doing that on the Obscura den mission

[whole solstice]

they should add a class filter to queues, I don't care if it takes me 3 hours to get into a match as long as I don't have to play with fucking hive scum

[jaunty sphinx]

Literally any character you make can be a cadian it's just that the cutthroat is the only one making it everyone's problem

Which makes him really really funny

[hollow ibex]

if bro just took out his melee he wouldn't have died 😭

[empty heart]

I know right

also what weapon is that

[tame lodge]

His ranged is Vraks5

His melee is shock maul

[hollow ibex]

the melee is one of the shock mauls

not sure which one

[slender elm]

For creeeeeeed

[tame lodge]

Likely Agni

[empty heart]

are they vet

[tame lodge]

Spiked block of cheese on a stick

[hollow ibex]

yeh

shouting

[empty heart]

vet with maul?

[tame lodge]

Shock Maul is on the 3 base lil uns classes and Arbites

Arbites Shock Maul is Arbites exclusive

[slender elm]

It's a better shock maul

So it makes you wonder why they even bothered having the regular shock maul as a weapon

[slender elm]

I have a female cadian cutthroat and she just whines about how cadia was abandoned whenever she's downed

[tidal fox]

male cutthroat has a much more fitting voice imo

more brutal and gritty

and pessimistic sounding

[slender elm]

I have no justification for playing female cutthroat

[spice osprey]

i like loose cannon female

my little trench rat ❤️

[slender elm]

Crazy woman

[tidal fox]

loose cannon female I find hilarious she fits her personality more than her male counterpart

[azure stream]

would vet be too strong if demo stockpile was an innate ability of the class

demo stockpile and the 10% TDR node

I honestly think the vet tree could use another trim, not much, just trim a little more fat.

[tidal fox]

is this 5% chance to replenish a grenade on elite kill?

if so yeah that's outrageous

[azure stream]

no the regen 1 grenade every 60 seconds

[hollow ibex]

probably

vet doesn't really need help in terms of nades

it's just some tweaks to the tree pathing that vet really needs

and a general buff to the bottom left

[azure stream]

fair

I find vet to be the class (to me anyhow) that has the most "wish I had 2 more points to get things I want"

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's def an issue with the tree

[hybrid plover]

third rework when

[hollow ibex]

unironically

[azure stream]

I like taking the stamina regen delay and the 10 TDR, but then also want to go to the right side of the bottom tree since you have reciprocity, desperado and skirmisher.

[hollow ibex]

bottom right is really strong yeah

[tidal fox]

there's so much useful shit scattered all about the keystones

[gentle dew]

how strong is powser falchion? and how does it play compared to psword

same for devil claw

[tidal fox]

oh god

[gentle dew]

what

thx..

[tall torrent]

mid tier
nowhere close to power sword

[gentle dew]

and devil claw from what i gathered is trash against carapace yes?

ur guide is super good btw

[tidal fox]

I hate how ammo hungry revolver is

the quickdraw is toe curling

[hybrid plover]

tbh, mk7 isn't

terrible

it's not great

but it's workable

[fringe onyx]

It's good vs unarmored

[gentle dew]

but the real p[roblem is armored 😄

[elder fiber]

just crutch on kraks and hope you roll good on the demo team gacha

[gentle dew]

😄

[charred halo]

what are the best weapons to use with marksmans focus

[desert viper]

weapons like helbore lasgun

also hi pancake

I like using inf las with it too, but if I had to say best, I'd say helbore

[latent star]

las pistol also very good with MMF

[dim nimbus]

what is autogun dump stat?

infantry autogun

[thorn lark]

mobility iirc

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[slow spade]

Always damage UwU

sponsored by Nurgle

[gentle dew]

so in a let's say 20-30 tier havoc game, what kind of damage would you expect to get from a good veteran VoC player using for example power sword + bolter build? Am I correct in interpreting that veteran will not be topping charts damage wise due to the supportive nature of the class?

[tall torrent]

Vet is not support class

[gentle dew]

I meant that more as in, not a frontliner

[tall torrent]

And damage number in scoreboard is not that good of a metric on performance

It fluctuates

[gentle dew]

Yes that would be my followup question, what are in fact good indicators you cfan measure using scoreboard to see if you're doing your job well

[tall torrent]

But u took a power sword

[tall torrent]

Specialists & elites killed
In conjunction with total damage

It also depends on mission mutators

[gentle dew]

i wasnt necessarily talking about me 😂 i'm by no means good but yes

[tall torrent]

Some mutators are easier to get high damage than others

[gentle dew]

That makes sense

[tall torrent]

It also depends on mission length

And how many total kills

[gentle dew]

support i meant also as in the total team benefit effect of golden toughness through VoC and other team bonuses coherency provides etc

not purely DPS focused, let's phrase it like that, cant think of a better term 😂

[tall torrent]

VoC is not fully a support ult

It’s honestly like, the 2nd worst support ult in the game

It’s a really good safety net & fight reset button

But it’s nowhere as high impact as the actual best support ults

[gentle dew]

like? zealot chorus?

[tepid otter]

bubble psyker is up there imo

[latent star]

The vet's real support ult is ammo regen aura (although 2 classes don't care about it anymore)

[gentle dew]

oh yeah somehow my brain forgot about buble for a sec haha

[vestal widget]

i think that depends on what your best role is in that specific pub team?

you could be like frontlining or mainly shooting speicals or whatever

[tall torrent]

Chorus, taunt, bubble are all much higher impact support ults

[gentle dew]

Yes exactly

[tall torrent]

You can’t easily force rotations with VoC on its own

[latent star]

Born Leader isn't bad but it does require you to spend a point late in the tree which is always hard.

[tall torrent]

The only support ult VoC is better than is nuncio and that’s like the worst ult in the game lol

[gentle dew]

Yeah that's the thing with pubs, it always depends 😂 i've noticed at least when i play frontliner i can think of more effective classes that can do better cc

[latent star]

VoC / Born Leader / Improved Box / Focus Target is probably as support-y as a Vet gets.

which is pretty good tbh

[gentle dew]

the worst in the game huh 🤔 it's not that trash lol

[latent star]

The box talent is real hit or miss but if you have a Hive Scum with a rocket launcher it turns an ammo box into the Wrath of The Emperor Himself.

[gentle dew]

tho compared to the abiilty with the dash it is

[tall torrent]

VoC is much better than nuncio tho that’s not a hard bar to pass

[tepid otter]

nuncio?

[latent star]

VoC's value really depends on your much your team makes out of gold toughness

There are other abilities with broadly better support but there's not really any better "oops a poxburster spawned in the middle of your group lol" ability.

[sudden cedar]

I can't really agree with this idea, since the two do different things and are meant for different things, thus they are not so easily comparable.

[steep flower]

And stagger

[gentle dew]

I mean yeah aquila you can spam and is more like a sort of buff for the whole team useful in any situation that's why it's best to use it as mujch as you can if you do use it

and does not stagger

[gentle dew]

yesz

[hybrid plover]

the number 1 issue with nuncio

is that it's static

[latent star]

Nuncio isn't helped by the other two choices being broadly excellent.

[sudden cedar]

Yes of course it does not stagger. The question should more be, if you have a situation in mind for which Nuncio Aquila can be used, does it perform well in this situation?

[hybrid plover]

and the aoe just isn't big enough to accomodate for that limitation

[vestal widget]

let arby carry the boombox around

[pseudo fiber]

Which is funny because you can move it on tabletop lol

[gentle dew]

if only it would follow the arbitrator

[sudden cedar]

For example, Immolation Grenades. They are just.. bad at what you may think they are designed to do.

[steep flower]

Ok thats a crime on

[sudden cedar]

There are many things that hold those Grenades back, and it is not just the damage part of it.

[hybrid plover]

or if you can choose whether to throw it down or have it around you

that would actually make it really darn cool

because you now have nuance for how you want to use it too

[steep flower]

Or a selected teammate; not hard to do

[hybrid plover]

i say this with the clarification that

i do like nuncio

it just feels like a case of missed potential

[steep flower]

Radius is fine
Of all things i think HS crate radius should be larger (atleast for the mine augment)

[hybrid plover]

i completely agree

[steep flower]

Either that or allow for remote detonation

[hybrid plover]

honestly

[gentle dew]

ye the ilttle thing is so cool haha

from a design perspective

[hybrid plover]

really did wish that stimm crate mine was a little more applicable but then again

making something that can do 7 stacks of toxin in an aoe more applicable could be its own issue for fatshark

very easy to go overboard with something like that

wait a moment

...i think i have a new scum build to try

[gentle dew]

🤔

[hybrid plover]

it may not be the most efficient to have mine on 52s

but

[tall torrent]

Vet can be played like a frontliner (with almost as good space making ability) but this trades quite a lot of what vet is best at

[hybrid plover]

having it with lethal proximity, toxin blackouts, and skullcrusher dclaw...

[tall torrent]

If u go VoC + frag you can frontline most situations just fine

[gentle dew]

and what would you say that is, what it's best at? focus on specialist/elites?

and annti boss

with krag ofc

[tall torrent]

You have >2x the toughness replenishment of everyone else with better priority target hunting efficiency

[steep flower]

I already did it
Its good

[hybrid plover]

i had a feeling

[tall torrent]

A lot of people are still in the camp of “veteran needs VoC and zealot needs chorus” for havoc

I don’t blame them

But both classes have more impactful ults

[gentle dew]

I mean Arbitrator can also get very good toughness regen considering the stagger trait

but yes make ssnese

[tall torrent]

Arb gets ~half of vet’s

At best

Everyone else is below half

[hybrid plover]

Tbh I wouldn't say those aren't impactful. Force stagger is a strong thing.

[tall torrent]

Never said they aren’t

[hybrid plover]

But, there's something to be said about their uptime that you really do feel it.

[gentle dew]

but it's 'easier' to get i guess. as you do benefit from it basically in all aspects when ur just doing what arbitrator does

[hybrid plover]

Honestly.

At this point I kinda just want shout to

[pseudo fiber]

What if they deleted gold toughness tomorrow

[hybrid plover]

Not give gold toughness

Like

At all

So that it can just be big stagger ability

[steep flower]

It would not change much; stagger on VoC is what makes it good

[gentle dew]

well I can imagine getting into a havoc pub if you show up without VoC will be challenging for that reason 😛

[tall torrent]

Yea most people aren’t very good

[hybrid plover]

Some of my best games have been with exe vets

Because good exe vets are very good at shutting problems down before they can occur.

It is night and day playing havoc with the specialists on complete lockdown.

[steep flower]

Yeah… at base any class can do it tho no matter the ability

[gentle dew]

and jsut regen toughness to full instead of making it gold and the extra benefits that brings

[steep flower]

Exe stance is win more still & it accelerates winning so to speak

[hybrid plover]

Nothing is beating having literal wallhacks in terms of how aggressively you can engage them though.

[latent star]

VoC feels good because it sometimes lets you bypass some real bullshit, but it doesn't have the general map control that good exe stance can provide.

[gentle dew]

haven't seen a veteran myself yet in pubs even trying something liek that. only voc so far haha

[steep flower]

Awareness is free

[tall torrent]

Stance is basically removing 50% of specialists & gunners for the rest of ur team

[latent star]

It is but sometimes the director says fuck you.

Awareness can solve most of that

[tall torrent]

Also stance vet ironically better at melee than VoC

Very balanced design FatShark

[steep flower]

I mean; good vet does that on average lmao regardless of ability used - exe simply helps more

[pseudo fiber]

I got that mod that makes helbore charge up when aiming and it makes helbore fub now wow

[vestal widget]

if only stance didn't forceswitch you to ranged

[hybrid plover]

considering i don't even qualify exe stance as a "ranged" ability

yeah it should just lose the switch

[tall torrent]

Stance is not a true ranged ult

[hybrid plover]

and the fov change

[tall torrent]

I think this can stay

[vestal widget]

uninterruptible is so fun for vet

[tall torrent]

This needs to be an option tho at least

[latent star]

The switch is nice for slow weapons but it would be nice if it was like a giant swap speed bonus while active or something

Instant ready bolter makes it hard to go back to regular bolter

[hybrid plover]

wait actually ya instant bolter

hmmm

[latent star]

Even instant Helbore feels pretty dang good

"I need some toughness regen and my ranged weapon ready to fire right now" is a nice button.

[tall torrent]

Stance is more of an on demand keystone than an ability

You effectively bring 2 keystones with it

[latent star]

It's a pretty beefy damage boost

[tall torrent]

The damage boost is secondary to its core function

[latent star]

Would be nice if it had a boss node that refreshed on boss hits though

Oh well, just kill a specialist every 8 or so seconds

And shoot the boss in between

[vestal widget]

i have a totally unquantifiable feeling that deathball meta's maybe a trap if your team isn't that good on average but idk

[tall torrent]

What’s deathball meta

[gentle dew]

also why the hell does covering fire only give allies toughness

funny trait

[tall torrent]

[slender elm]

Cuz it's covering fire duh

[gentle dew]

:OOOO

[slender elm]

You dont cover fire yourself

Very shit talent

[gentle dew]

yes, change the name, give also an effect to yourself and maybe it can be useful when getting ranged kills then (probalby would need lower amount cuz you dont need to hit weakspots). but still it's a weird talent even then i guess

haha

[vestal widget]

chorus bubble voc taunt (esp bf cdr changes)

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure you would be the fourth

💀

Scratch that

Fifth

[gentle dew]

also weird how it doesnt stack or something but refreshes.... like literal covering fire. kinda cringe idea lmao.

[pseudo fiber]

Patch 13
Traitors 1
Traitors 2
Boundy by doody

So 4th ye

[tame lodge]

And vet still not good

#nooticing

[gentle dew]

👀

[gentle dew]

lastly why the hell does this say the special is only on the next hit xD

?

[vestal widget]

it's possible to have a power sword without cycler

[empty heart]

https://youtu.be/a-g1FQLP6jg?si=UJIFEQUzplGq9--o

grenade vet here is it any good?

[slender elm]

mister E is a fraud

also i mean to ask does the tox flamer damage enemies or just players

[gentle dew]

i meant more it is interpretred here if you inspect weapon that the special ability is only for one attack

if you read it literally

[vestal widget]

isn't the special just for one attack unless you have power cycler

[gentle dew]

oh kek you are right

i never stopped to think it could be that bad a weapon without that blessing

Xd

jesus

that's funny actually

[empty heart]

gimme grenade vet build

[gentle dew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com

OR THE PINNED GUIDE

[native sorrel]

Is he ?

[sly orchid]

questionable builds and wrong information

[slender elm]

he keeps spreading misinformation

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tomfoolery-cat-gif-20855967

[native sorrel]

Oh, I thought he knew a thing or two

[dry cloak]

From more reputable youtubers on dt. Joplaygames reginald fripfrop

[native sorrel]

Good to know, thanks ! I like Reginald, he has less of a "I know things" vibe

[sly orchid]

joplays and frip frop arent really build channels

more surrounding the lore

[gentle dew]

honestly the best builds you just make urself but gl getting a lobby in havoc then

[native sorrel]

I've been using his support vet build, it seems fine if not a bit squishy

[gentle dew]

after a while you find out there is little logic behind his stuff

[hearty snow]

is the chainsword better at horde clear than power sword

[gentle dew]

hah it's funny you ask that.

i'd say it is easier by far

but not better

someone who has mastered a power sword can do better horde clearing but it's finnicky

chainsword is just spam left click

[hearty snow]

power sword is too reliant on the power up

[dry cloak]

I said reputable not build based

[hearty snow]

using it without the power up feels like fighting with a pool noodle

[steep flower]

Nah regi needs to think more about the builds hes making
Mah boi fell off hard over the years

[native sorrel]

The powersword is a good weapon but I'm personaly not a huge fan of it, you need to power it up constantly and it takes time away from everything so it kinda feels clunky to me.

[gentle dew]

yup

[native sorrel]

I've seen people work wonders with it tho

It's an aquired taste

[gentle dew]

if you know the combos well it will slay the stronges tenemies and control crowds

[dry cloak]

Those are still better than whatever e comes up with

[gentle dew]

but if y ou wanna get into a build and this clas

dont start with that weapon

[dry cloak]

If not said yet. Check pins on this channel for a guide

[atomic void]

just learn the cancel animation

[dry cloak]

And use weapons you enjoy

[native sorrel]

Do you have any exemple ? I'm not a huge build nerd so I tend to miss that kind of things lmao

[steep flower]

Half baked potato ain’t better than a raw one; you still ain’t eating

[dry cloak]

Not what meta dictates

[dry cloak]

Good i do my own builds

[hearty snow]

the thing with veteran is idrk what good horde clear weapons there are

[gentle dew]

not really atm i can just say i used some of his buildss and i always changed stuff

[gentle dew]

chainsword

power falchion

combat axe

(maybe)

[hearty snow]

ive a mind for shock mace

[gentle dew]

power sword

[dry cloak]

Chainsword heavy sword. Shockmaul mk3.

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure it's better but only if the horde is poxxers only

[hearty snow]

does shockmaul stun bosses

[tame lodge]

If it's mixed horde then power sword wins

[gentle dew]

youw ant one that is not ONLY good at hordes imo

so you dont get fuckedd the moment an elite shows up

[steep flower]

If it could it would be op

[tame lodge]

No and has horrible unyielding adms

[native sorrel]

Power falchion looks good for hordes too

[hearty snow]

then what does the special do to bosses

[dry cloak]

@gentle dew so yeah 3 of the above

[steep flower]

Dmg & status

[slender elm]

almost nothing lel

[steep flower]

Nah it does dmg & applies electified status

[gentle dew]

personally i would suggest the chainsowrd to start with

eassy to learn

and effective

has some stagger

[slender elm]

i wouldnt

[gentle dew]

combine it with an infantry autogun, vraks

[slender elm]

take shovel or axe

[gentle dew]

oh i forgot shovel

kek

[dry cloak]

Vraks mk5

[gentle dew]

yes take the shovel

[slender elm]

combat axe

[native sorrel]

The maul is really good against crushers and things like that, it basically stops them from doing anything with the special

[dry cloak]

The most fucking boring weapon in the gane

[gentle dew]

LMAO

that's very subjective

[slender elm]

stopping a single enemy from doing something is less than useful when they come in dozens

[gentle dew]

i find the recon lasgun extremelyyy beyond boring

for example

[hearty snow]

tf am i supposed to do with that then

[steep flower]

Like every opinion
Until you get tons of experience that is then it ain’t subjective

[gentle dew]

sure

urs is fact 😛

and then after that you reach delusion ❤️

i think we can all have opinions

and not say others are immediately invalid for no reaosn

[tame lodge]

Bring a ranged weapon that can deal with monstrosities

[steep flower]

Considering alot of experience in practical games
Yes

[dry cloak]

Like learn on not so op and boring weapons imo

[gentle dew]

yeah and ur the only one that has that ofc

[tame lodge]

Against Bulwarks and reapers you can just use Skullcrusher

[dry cloak]

Like combat shotguns

[gentle dew]

you are literally saying your opnion is not subjective man hahaha

[hearty snow]

what are some pretty good weapon pair ups

is shock maul / stub revolver a good pair

[gentle dew]

w/e ill drop the topic.

[steep flower]

Some have better experience yes
By playing more for example

[gentle dew]

that is fact

[native sorrel]

It basically stops almost anything with stagger, it makes for a very good crowd control tool, it's the best dps wise of course, nothing really compares to things like the dueling sword but it's a great tool to make sure nothing comes too close.

[steep flower]

Altho some ppl are still dogshit even after many hours of playtime; some ppl never get better

[gentle dew]

aljso fact

that was my point

[dry cloak]

Yes

[native sorrel]

Also it goes through armor quite well.

[gentle dew]

hahah

anyways, power falchion could be fun to try too if chainsword is 'boring'

[tame lodge]

While Zarona is the best revolver
Agripina is the one with better boss dps
So shock Maul Agrivolver is an ok combo

[native sorrel]

The power falchion is fun ye

[hearty snow]

i dont get void shield bosses bro

[steep flower]

Agrivolver recognition?! In this server? By the boi himself?
Unbelievable

[dry cloak]

@native sorrel just remember fun comes first pal.

[hearty snow]

you make us pop their void shield, and yet they have good defense against ranged weapons??

[desert viper]

I wish the heavies on falchion were faster

takes a whole ass 3 business days to land

[tame lodge]

I never spoke ill of Agrivolver

That being said

[steep flower]

I love this new name i invented

[tame lodge]

Zarona still better

[steep flower]

[native sorrel]

True

[desert viper]

why is zarona better btw

[slender elm]

agrivolver playing cruxian roulette

[desert viper]

always thought it was inferior

[hearty snow]

oh yeah i can yeehaw

[desert viper]

that's it?

[tame lodge]

Higher cleave
Higher damage per shot

[desert viper]

I mean I guess then yeah

[steep flower]

Nah; all you need is trickshooter & run & gun

[hearty snow]

zarona beeg damage

[desert viper]

is zarona the green one?

[hearty snow]

is no big surprise

[slender elm]

zarona is a pocket sniper rifle

[native sorrel]

Show your zarona to Hadron senpai

[desert viper]

I am totally mixing names rn

agripina is the

ADS one

no?

[hearty snow]

zarona is the not fanfiring one

agripina is fanfiring one

[desert viper]

okay nevermind

[tame lodge]

Zaza

[desert viper]

I agree then

[desert viper]

this with surgical and hand cannon is sooo fucking sexy

I love it

albeit I don't need surgical if I run WS

[steep flower]

Even tho hand cannon is only for crushers… realistically
Better grab gloryhunter for better sustain

Or trickshooter/crucian if you want dmg

[desert viper]

I use it for boss damage too

[steep flower]

Then grab trickshooter

Not hand cannon

[desert viper]

I could do trickshooter hand cannon

cus I get guaranteed crit

just have a pocket rocket

it would be funny......

[steep flower]

Keep surgical…
Get trickshooter…
There you go; best for all situations

[desert viper]

nope I'm evil

[tame lodge]

#notevilenough

[steep flower]

Foolish more like
But you do you
I still recommend trick & surgi for every situation (especially for vet cause no suppression which is this weapons main oof)

[desert viper]

iiiiimmmm eeeeviiiilll

I take NO advice I take NO criticism I only play how I was told back a year ago

I will try trickshooter when I get home from hospital tho

[steep flower]

Hospital? Wha happened

[desert viper]

job stuff

my left arm has gone numb for like 2 months now

getting annoying to play games when u can't feel ur fingers

or well 3 of them

I'm going to check out if it's just a bad strain or nerve damage

I'm not comfortable with the idea of having nerve damage

[slender elm]

usually that involves pain

[desert viper]

on another note why do ppl use the inf lasgun alot more recently

[slender elm]

dunno

i moved away from the ilas to las pistol

[gentle dew]

probably someone made a youtube vid about it or it's trending somewhere

i wonder if i will get accepted in a havoc pub with a chainsword lol

[slender elm]

There's probably some crazy bastard looking for a challenge

Or oblivious noobs

[steep flower]

Larpers

[gentle dew]

arent we all

[steep flower]

Nah; i don’t cosplay in darktide

[native sorrel]

Reginald made a video on making a cadian vet who uses an inf lasgun

Maybe that's why

[tame lodge]

There's no limit to the larp🗣️

[steep flower]

Not just him… not just now…

[gentle dew]

larp is not limited to cosplay

[tame lodge]

Anyways

iLas has great ammo economy

And ok sights

[native sorrel]

I can't with Cadia 😫

[tame lodge]

If Laspistol had better sights I would run it over iLas

Oh also

Recent iLas skin

Old Reliable or whatever the name

[gentle dew]

what could possibly be so annoying aobut cadia

that you may be referring to

[tame lodge]

Although I gotta say

If the circles in the iLas sights

Were a bit thinner

It would be perfect

[native sorrel]

No reason of course, there's absolutely no reason as to why Cadia is annoying !

[gentle dew]

i for one am embracing it today

[gentle dew]

nothing at all indeed

[atomic void]

pepl who dont know the lore just get annoyed at a guy yelling cadia every 2 seconds but if u know the lore u would get it

[gentle dew]

it's a bit of both hah

[atomic void]

oh no the solider who witnessed his home planet get split in half has ptsd

how shocking

he should be saying funny quips and funny hahas

[gentle dew]

dukane would not tolerate such behaviour

[native sorrel]

Oh I know the story about Cadia's I'm just annoyed at the constant yelling about it as if it was the only world to know such a horrible fate

[atomic void]

who cares anyway his ult lines are banger

[native sorrel]

It's perfectly normal for that vet to have a huge ptsd about it

They all kinda do

[gentle dew]

never seizes to amaze me how many are left too

[atomic void]

not many planets got devoured by the eye of terror

that's the difference

[tame lodge]

sees a billion of his loved ones and his homeworld get shattered by the forces of evil
"So, that just happened"

[native sorrel]

(The joke about cadians always anouncing themselves is funny tho)

[atomic void]

the eye of terror is right above us isnt it

[native sorrel]

Specifically of course not, but there's countless of worlds who have known horrible fates like exterminatus, vitrification, whatever world ending threat might have happened, people from those world who suffered from that and survived aren't less traumatized than cadians.

[atomic void]

true but propaganda

[native sorrel]

That's another subject which is most probably also very true lmao

[gentle dew]

at least we can never doubt the loyalty of all our cadians, emperor knows they love to scream their intrinsic motivation for fighting

in two words

[unreal nova]

Funny joke is, those Cadians that don't are super ultra rare unicorns.

[native sorrel]

Maybe it's cultural !

[gentle dew]

as someone who doesnt know the lore fully whyu do they have that eye color

[native sorrel]

It's because they're close to the imaterium

It mutated their eye color

Well, they were

[vagrant dagger]

chat, is boltgun good for a voc build?
i really like my bolter but because it's ammo hungry and has high recoil, most of its utility comes from exe stance
and i want to try shout

playing zealot taught me the incredible power of a Button That Gives Toughness

[atomic void]

it is good

just dont magdump and you'll be good

[unreal nova]

Maybe, I dunno. They are just really annoying considering guardsmen from other lost worlds exist and they don't whine collectively as much as Cadians do.

[gentle dew]

should work jsut fine as long as the main focus (in havoc if ur doing that) will be on ur melee dpeneding on team comp

[native sorrel]

Shout is so gooooooood

If you like supporting it's a godsend

[native sorrel]

I think it's a third propaganda, a third cashing on a popular part of the lore and a third tongue in cheek

[unreal nova]

True. But as propaganda, it's a loss.

[gentle dew]

why is there no cadia emoet

emote

missed opportunity

[pseudo fiber]

They kinda spun it into a win.

Cadia stands alongside "the planet broke before the guard did".

There's a reason all gear is now cadian standard gear.

Cadians are heroes... etc.

[desert viper]

that's cause none of them were close to being as important as cadia

homeworlds get lost all the time but cadia was a gateworld + under a siege the imperium has only seen twice or thrice

[thorn lark]

[gentle dew]

wut indeed

[gentle dew]

wasn't part of this also in the battlefleet gothic armada game

the campaign of that game

i might buy that game actually all 40k games are on sale atm

4 euros lol

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[unreal nova]

That one's just lax and requires a certain taste in games, lul.

[gentle dew]

i thought it was hilarious that it exists hahah

next level larp

[unreal nova]

Because they were literally the bog standard of bog standard? There's nothing really special about them bar the whole, glowy eyes thing.

[unreal nova]

That doesn't matter. They still don't need to whine yap about it 25/8.

[desert viper]

it does matter quite alot

[unreal nova]

You get a mechanicus inspired outfit as well. Sadly, only for the DLC, can't bring it out of it.

[desert viper]

imperium got sent to hell and back over its loss

[gentle dew]

😄

surely some fan has bought powerwash simulator purely for this

i knwo that for sure

[unreal nova]

It's reverse painting.

[gentle dew]

besides the fact that pepole play simulators of power wash in the first place..

[unreal nova]

To be fair, you do get to zone out and such.

[unreal nova]

Not really, not on the line we are talking about. Which is guardmen and their homeworld.

A.k.a. deep for them.

It's like losing your friends/family when the world goes poof while you are offworld.

[desert viper]

every single cadian felt and feels responsible for the loss though, it's very important to note that

especially our darktide cutthroat who was there when it happened

[gentle dew]

OG

[desert viper]

imagine your entire relative tree falls in the blink of an eye, and then the rest of the imperium objectively worsens

you were responsible for that

you were a guardsman

I think Anyone would be acting the same way a cadian usually does if they'd go through that

theres alot of emotional nuance to how the loss of cadia has turned the imperium into a worse-than-it-already-was living hell

for everyone involved

sitting here talking bout it would take hours tho

[unreal nova]

Things happen, everyone and their dog knows about it. Nobody wants to keep hearing about it. Why the 25 hours 8 days a week thing.

[gentle dew]

this is turnin ginto #40k-lore-chat lol

[desert viper]

a little bit

[desert viper]

because everyone understands the value of it

[gentle dew]

i mean, it's their idenity, how empire works etc, psyops all the stuff

it's the only thing that gives them a reason to keep existing and fighitng

avenge everything they know i guess

it's hard to grasp the scale

yet hearing FOR CADIA both in this game and sm2 so much does get old 😂

[desert viper]

one of the most important planets ate shit within 10 minutes after God knows how long of a siege that kept getting worse because the warleader didn't wanna catch the hint

it broke reality

[unreal nova]

But nobody wants to keep listening about it. It has happened, there's no need to keep repeating it 50 billion times.

[desert viper]

on alot of scales

[desert viper]

nobody is not even true

all the rejects have at least 1 line about cadia

[gentle dew]

i think tbh that's why it's in space marine 2 etc as wel, attracts a bigger audience maybe?

[desert viper]

in darktide, it just happened

[gentle dew]

a special audience

idk

[unreal nova]

Eh, I mean the Imperium.is literally run on propaganda now.

[gentle dew]

maybe some people have as much of a hard on for cadian guardsmen as for space marines

i mean from marketing perspective for the game tha tis

at this point

(exluding psyop lol)

[desert viper]

they're like the front of the marketing just like blueberries

which is why so many people dislike them

[gentle dew]

yet somehow it works

[unreal nova]

And they are usually mocking the Cutthroat or telling them to shut up on it.

[gentle dew]

and peole like us complain but we are probalby the minority

[desert viper]

there are two personalities who do this, by the way

[gentle dew]

yeah there are some pretty funny voice lines about that

[desert viper]

no more than that

the rest often offer condolences

[gentle dew]

like 'dont you wanna say something about.. you know'

[desert viper]

it's loose cannon, agitator, and if you wanna be mean about it, loner psyker

the rest are all literally " man sorry about your planet "

[unreal nova]

Some in the way of, you don't need to tell us about it, we know way.

[gentle dew]

speaking of voice lines, if you pick 'the voices' as background for zealot do you get like a literal crazy person?

like the one psyker with his bleoved

beloved

[desert viper]

actually no

for example professional goes

" it's a real shame what happened to cadia, it ain't right "

loose cannon also says the same, albeit he has an insulting line among this

[gentle dew]

lmfao that is so bland

[unreal nova]

Doesn't change the voices.

[desert viper]

same with authoritarian

[desert viper]

professional is indeed bland

[gentle dew]

i meant if it changes the personality that specific choice and if you get dialogue for htat

[unreal nova]

Even Cadian LCs mock the Cutthroat.

[orchid hemlock]

"OH DONT STOP BIG MAN!"

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[gentle dew]

yeah i force myself to use loose cannon or w/e it's called because i cant stand hearing the male or female cadian anymore

[gentle dew]

i see

thx

[unreal nova]

Some say Cadian LCs do get a specific dialogue cut out, but that's a lie.

[orchid hemlock]

Cardian is funny to me because he's soo absolutely serious to the point where it feels like Starship troopers 💀

[unreal nova]

They still mock the Cutthroat whining.

[gentle dew]

ikr but after a while you do get annoyed by it haha

[orchid hemlock]

"DIE YOU FILTH"

[unreal nova]

Cos I play Fem LCs and pubs just spam male Cutthroat so much.

[gentle dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C07IBfAUaXY here's the fall of cadia from another 40k games cutscenes

if you wanna get more in character.. lik eyou were .. there

[unreal nova]

Don't care about Cadians. They are more annoying than Kriegers imo.

[gentle dew]

hahaha

but all those poor souls

[unreal nova]

At least Kriegers off themselves in battle without a word by leeroying.

Cadians will make sure you hear about it till their final breath.

[gentle dew]

exactly kriegers dont make a fuzz about it they die on fuckikng horseback not giving a shit

in silence

and it makes them happy

nothing to say

[unreal nova]

As long as the target is dead or gone by the end of it.

Though less losses is still better.

[gentle dew]

these are not somehow cadians too right

[gentle dew]

i lik ehow they say in the description they are not

hahaha

seems like this is also not a reskin of another cosmetic.

except the helmet

[unreal nova]

Steel Legion. Closer to Kriegers imo.

[gentle dew]

but not cadians

[pseudo fiber]

No

[gentle dew]

diversity

[pseudo fiber]

Krieg with personality

[gentle dew]

maybe that is worse

ill have to read the lore 😂

[unreal nova]

Thus, not Cadians. More Kriegers.

[gentle dew]

amen

[unreal nova]

Also less lemmings.

[gentle dew]

if you search for 'cadia' in this discord, there are 14,796 (now 797) results loll

[unreal nova]

Though the Guard in general is lemmings playstyle.

[unreal nova]

Because they added the bloody Cutthroat as a voice.

[atomic void]

kreigers dont beyonet charge into their death for no reason

that's a myth

[unreal nova]

They still are happy to burn lives to do objectives though, and they do it silently.

[atomic void]

they do be expresso depresso

[gentle dew]

testing power falchion atm seems pretty interseting, some robust damage

seems to one tap normal horde type enemies charged and most also uncharged

[hollow ibex]

the uncharged is really bad

the charged is pretty good

just limited duration

[gentle dew]

uncharged is accedptable against very weak enemies still i meant

and charge is manageable

not that short

[hollow ibex]

uncharged isn't psword levels of bad.... but it's quite bad

[gentle dew]

ye that is kinda what i was comparing it to haha

[hollow ibex]

unpowered is fine against shit like groaners

but once a few bruisers start showing up, it's going to require some careful dodging lol

and if anything bigger shows up....

pray to the big E

[gentle dew]

well the + with dodging is the extra mobility you have

more dodge range

[hollow ibex]

the mobility/dodge is just average

the whole weapon in general is average

[gentle dew]

but better than psword ;P

mobility doge that is

[hollow ibex]

yeah but psword can literally just kill its way out of bad spots

anyway i like falch

but it could use some help

[gentle dew]

if you are skilled enough to use it properly consistently ye

[gentle dew]

ill go test it on some aurics later

cranial grounding helps

[hollow ibex]

make sure you have an answer to ragers

because falch ain't it

[gentle dew]

presses VoC button

[unreal nova]

Still usable. Powersword is unusable on high ping cos gambling on sword activating is like... painful.

[hollow ibex]

that works

[gentle dew]

i have noticed this during random lag spikes ive been having. even tho my connection is stable, server side issues

[hollow ibex]

yeah with high ping... sounds like pain

[unreal nova]

No. I play on 280+ ping cos dead server.

[unreal nova]

Like, I can try for no hits with Falchion. GL with Powersword lul.

[hollow ibex]

yeah psword dodges are horrible

even with WS

[gentle dew]

i started using psword an dkept wondering why the heck i kept dyin gso fsat it's the dodge (one part of it)

idk i just tried against ragers some quick light chjarged attacks seem to kill them in weakspot quite well

[unreal nova]

Is more, can't activate, can't do anything.

Falchion at least has damage on non-cara unactivated.

[hollow ibex]

it kills them fine, it's just lack of stagger that'll screw you if you're not careful

[gentle dew]

it'd probably combo well with a bolter in case of real panic

[hollow ibex]

like try fighting 3 scab ragers at once

melee only

no blitz or ult

[gentle dew]

i will, dont wanna embarrass myself in a pub facing that for the first time unprepared 😛

soon we will have falchion mewta

meta

[unreal nova]

It would need slight buffs to be meta.

[hollow ibex]

make the PA stagger ragers

and i'll be happy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/50CA021.MP4?ex=69a06e08&is=699f1c88&hm=d13da7c742e13d54f409c308f0d17efdfc045e133996931a06d4d03a074f8545&

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

so close to being a good weapon

[unreal nova]

Thus, slight buffs.

[atomic void]

hol up thie weapon can do this and people act like its the worst thing ever

literally 2 second ttk on a crusher lmao

[gentle dew]

🧠

[hollow ibex]

well 2 things

this is on the old crusher hp

[atomic void]

oh

[hollow ibex]

so the ttk would prob be a bit longer now

[atomic void]

i was like this is insane if its current hp

[hollow ibex]

you'd still get over 5k dps easily tho

[unreal nova]

That's actually slow when the best can 1 shot or kill within 1.

[hollow ibex]

and the other thing is that this is on a FT build with max stacks

[atomic void]

but the best ones are broken

[hollow ibex]

and high heat

so it's a pretty ideal situation

that being said, crushers are not the issue for falch

it's ragers

[atomic void]

granades?

[hollow ibex]

even unpowered you can defend yourself against crushers with PA L spam

[hollow ibex]

yeah against rager packs you need blitz/gun/ult/teammate to bail your ass

[atomic void]

i dont play vet that much but aren't u supposed to utilize shredder spam for stuff like ragers

since im pretty sure most melee weapons cant stagger ragers