veteran-class

[tidal fox]

psyker has more survivability in general to be honest

and veteran's specialist killing gimmick feels so underwhelming compared to other classes

[maiden wolf]

Bro how can you say that when veteran has shout and smoke nades

Then change your build

[tidal fox]

say on skibidi

put it on skibidi toilet and I'll believe you

[maiden wolf]

On skibidi 🗣️

[drowsy perch]

i had the exact opposite going from vet to psyker

i was doing damnation/auric easy as vet but struggling at heresy on psyker

[tidal fox]

really?

well I had a lot of experience with games like darktide which is probably why I feel the opposite

[drowsy perch]

psyker was my last played class and compared to the other classes they are signifncatly squishy

[drowsy perch]

idk im a soulshead anvd ive played other 40k games

[tidal fox]

I guess to each their own

[tidal fox]

ok yeah this probably e4xplains it

[slender elm]

Psyker durability mostly comes from kills while not exploding so if you are having difficulty managing peril you will have a hard time

[drowsy perch]

for main psyker i built just

all soulblaze and warp

[tidal fox]

all of psykers abilities keep their toughness up so easily not even considering keystones

like if you play close to your team and play well it shouldnt be that hard to outlast a vet who has to specifically build for better toughness regen

[latent star]

Psyker survivability was pretty hard before the last round of buffs but the next talent tree basically force feeds you toughness for everything you do.

[sly orchid]

Hive scum took psyker's place as most fragile class

[tidal fox]

I have no knowledge on last round of buffs but true

[latent star]

A bunch of the stuff they get from the current talent tree is new or improved from prior versions

and its easier to stack now

[slender elm]

My primary problem with psyker is that I can't manage pressure/disengage properly

[latent star]

what build are you using?

[slender elm]

Other classes have abilities that get you out of jail free, and grenades

[tidal fox]

the humble inferno staff:

[slender elm]

I have a few psyker builds but mostly play ek or sgdd fgs

Like, i tend to overcommit vs big mixed hordes on fgs then get chipped down

Every other class either chucks a grenade or gtfo dash out

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/1rheME7

[slender elm]

regular sight for an ogryn with a rock

[frigid kite]

the rock physics are amazing

mutant racing at you takes a rock to the face and accelerates at mach jesus 100ft into the distance behind you

[tall torrent]

yea

[pseudo fiber]

Gives you more health

[tall torrent]

because toughness is "DR" and is percentage based

the real question is, how much toughness dmg is too much (% wise) for your toughness bar to beat your toughness replenishment

[hybrid plover]

in a game where the biggest issues tend to be things that don't give a damn about your toughness?

ya it's pretty valuable

esp since vet still has decent base toughness even if you do go health

[fluid rune]

psyker gets easier the harder the game is tbh

[slender elm]

That's also true

Psyker is fueled by dead elites

[slender elm]

wait a minute... rending counts as negative damage drop off so i should take it for las pistol?

but then again crits give no fuck

choices choices...

[slow spade]

I take both

Deadshot + Focus Target is decently sustainable

[tall torrent]

yea

[slow spade]

You can see long range shots with the shotgun give blue hitmarkers :c

[slender elm]

i rarely see that cuz i run ws with db shotgun lel

[livid hill]

Non voc vet yes

[faint beacon]

I want to get into MK3 Shivs but holy shit it feels miserable against Cara waves

[wild vortex]

Shrimply build tox

Also PA into heavy is pretty decent, just not bonkers like corkscrew heavy spam

[faint beacon]

Would it be too brash to build into the rending stimm tree to just nuke carapace further

[silver patrol]

you should test it, but i think finesse might be better

[turbid ibex]

yeah finesse stimms on shivs go crazy

specially when stacked with sweet spot

[faint beacon]

Unless someone beats me to it

I’ll test that out once I’m home

[hollow ibex]

Simply build for 9 stam and plink them to death

[silver patrol]

it's true

[tropic halo]

I don't even use rending stimm for this shiv build and still do wonderful against Cara hordes

[lunar maple]

Any veterans wanna veteran it up

[spice terrace]

i feel like the guy next to me might quote boondock saints

[pearl oasis]

did not realise you could actually make the plasma gun explode

[narrow frost]

It only explodes if you right click

Which you don't need to ever

[fair shale]

Remember when it would explode on left clicks?

[narrow frost]

No I don't

[fair shale]

I miss that shit tbh

[narrow frost]

Sounds funny

Darktide before crafting update sounds like a horror movie

Fire insta deleting toughness

Mutants not throwing you

[fair shale]

Shotguns used to one shot psyker

We also had a 3 month period of only dog hordes but they weren't modern dog hordes where the dogs are weaker

[narrow frost]

Release the hounds

Black ops zombie dog wave in darktide

[fair shale]

You have no idea, if everyone got hit that was it lol

Y1 darktide is really funny in retrospect

[faint beacon]

Veteran was the meta then as well

[narrow frost]

90% threat reduce

[fair shale]

Ye Olde Seven Swing Power Sword

[faint beacon]

Press F to become unkillable

[fair shale]

Yeah ES used to have 80 percent damage resist

[narrow frost]

Reloaded too?

[fair shale]

Yes

So you'd run it with bolter and mag dump bosses

[faint beacon]

It’s so funny how Veteran went from best to worst to now like upper bracket ranking

[mental barn]

was that Peak veteran power level wise?

compared to other classes at the time

[fair shale]

Honestly maybe, but like

[faint beacon]

Basically

[fair shale]

Skill trees were totally different too

[faint beacon]

Veteran was THE meta back then

[fair shale]

Except month 1

Month 1 was zealot meta

[mental barn]

Now it seems to me that Veteran is either 2nd 3rd or 4th best depending on who you ask

[fair shale]

every class is good and usable ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint beacon]

Veteran will never be 1st

It’s like upper ranking

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Psykers sheer existence will ensure no one will be 1st

[tame lodge]

Tankier than Oggy

[mental barn]

didn't psycher exist since release and was just bad

[tame lodge]

Better melee than zealot

Launch psyker was useless

[fair shale]

Psyker was funny on release

I miss infinite dodge force swords

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah that

Lmao

[mental barn]

infinite dodge?

do you mean what any weapon with agility can do

or something better?

[tame lodge]

It had base infinite dodge

[fair shale]

Yeah like

That was it

[tame lodge]

And you could just spam dodging for movement

[fair shale]

Crab walk meta

That only returned with scum

[tame lodge]

Speedhead psyker

[mental barn]

wow

was that intended or a bug?

[fair shale]

Intended

It was just something force sword did

[hearty panther]

yea at first it was just a cute niche that the obscurus had

then they added the illisi and the deimos and the former was probably one of the best or the best weapon in the game at that current time and suddenly having infinite dodges was an obvious problem

the latter had knife level dodges which were infinite so yeah, dodging sideways was faster than sprinting

[torpid grotto]

I think it still is

[hearty panther]

still what

[torpid grotto]

Faster than sprinting

[hearty panther]

oh yea

well maybe not actually

since we have shit like mettle, DD, Scriers zoomy

[frank mantle]

hotshot lasgun W H E N

[tame lodge]

What weapon we talking

[hearty panther]

deimos

[fair shale]

OG Deimos

[tame lodge]

I think current speedhead psyker is faster sprinting than dodging yeah

[hearty panther]

granted the buffs are temporary

[frank mantle]

no one gives a shit nerds

give me hotshot pew pew

[hearty panther]

once you have them all tho you can literally walk faster than some classes (with certain weapons) can sprint

[wild vortex]

lmfao: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1r90wk3/since_this_seems_like_the_direction_things_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[frank mantle]

b-but muh numbers what if we theorycraft for the win!!!!!!!

[wild vortex]

this is peak

[tame lodge]

Helbore is there dawg

It has hot shot

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[frank mantle]

you`re a hot shot

[warm idol]

best we can do is xii recon

[tame lodge]

A big shot?

[frank mantle]

shoot your hot shot

[frank mantle]

all over my carapace

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-deltarune-undertale-mrbeast-big-shot-gif-27614738

[hearty panther]

blow your thick las all over my weak spot

Wait this isn't zealot chat

[frank mantle]

how can one company be so shit and so based at the same time

[tame lodge]

Sweden

[frank mantle]

milk us fatshart

i want you to milk all my money

[warm idol]

it took over 3 years for us to get some proper cadian drip

idfk what fatshark is doing

[tame lodge]

And it's shit (someone ate the armor on the other leg)

[frank mantle]

they all clip btw

[tame lodge]

It's veteran

There'll be clipping

https://tenor.com/view/barnyard-cows-mr-beady-cowfarm-cowsoutside-gif-20396193

[warm idol]

the sludge jungle armor is the same thing with a different camo

and it looks fine enough with the helmet

[eternal venture]

Real ones remember the days of Ogryn/Vet true duos being the true path

And Bull Butcher was the meta ogryn weapon, of all things

[sacred forge]

HELLO VETERAN PLAYERS. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING VETERAN. I AM NOW LEVEL 29.

WHEN DO I START HAVING FUN?

SINCERELY, SMILE!

[snow sonnet]

is power sword only usable when its maxed out?

im not sure if im using it wrong but like having to charge it like 33% of the time just to not kill something is really bad

[distant plaza]

You’re digging thinking there’s a mass of diamonds ahead of you when there were diamonds along the way the whole time

[snow sonnet]

I mean leveling in this game is really bad

so no they havve not found it

and if they are level 29 they do not have anything good built for weapons either

[wild vortex]

1-30 is the tutorial

[snow sonnet]

you kind of need to hit level 30 then max level some really good weapons

and know a really good build

[distant plaza]

If this is their first character yeah, I can see that

[snow sonnet]

well if its just their second character the same applies

they dont have weapons built

well unless we mean another veteran?

on the same account?

[distant plaza]

I should do another vet permadeath leveling run sometime with some self imposed rules

[sacred forge]

I HAVE MAXXED ALL OTHER CLASSES

I HAD MORE FUN WITH OGRYN THAN THIS

OGRYN.

[tame lodge]

It's usable every time

That being said
Only worth using when powered

Also mk6

Light spam only

With the occasional push attack light light

[snow sonnet]

Yeah thats the issue uh i kind of hate being piled up by enemies and having to stupidly sit there waiting just for my sword charge

Like idk id like to fight back a little more instead of waiting for the sword to be usable

[tame lodge]

Usually you skip the power up animation by pushing

[lunar maple]

You need to learn to skip the animation

[tame lodge]

Also keeps mobs out of you during it

[lunar maple]

It takes practice

[turbid ibex]

you only really need lvl 3 power cycler for the 3 energised hits

[distant plaza]

idk what weapons you're using, so i suggest giving a DB WS build a try when you hit 30

[hollow ibex]

PS 3 enjoyers in shambles 😭

[lunar maple]

I like using Chainsword since I usually just swing nonstop, charge for killing some enemies tho

[turbid ibex]

i read that as playstation 3

[lunar maple]

It’s good against armors and shields

[turbid ibex]

which btw

has no games

[tame lodge]

So they are still suffering as well

[tame lodge]

It's me
I'm PS3 enjoyer

Those horizontal heavies

https://tenor.com/view/blue-lock-shidou-ryusei-excited-gif-14474526475132656625

[turbid ibex]

wait doesnt 6 also have horizontal heavies?

[tame lodge]

It's on a certain angle

[narrow widget]

YOU'RE HAVING FUN IN THIS GAME?

LETS CHANGE THAT

[snow sonnet]

Yeah if the weapon needs a tech to be better then that makes sense

[tame lodge]

Mk3

Mk6

[tame lodge]

Mk6 unironically teaches you how to be better at melee

(although it doesn't use heavies)

[snow sonnet]

Usually thats only the case if the weapon is bad or a little tricky to use

[turbid ibex]

it is tricky because of bad mobility and the activation every 3 hits

[hollow ibex]

PS is interesting that it’s super strong but still forced you got git gud at melee

[snow sonnet]

But im not sure what reason i have to use mk6 as the guide didnt really say much on it

[hollow ibex]

Oh no real reason, besides the fact that it’s just straight up better than mk3

[turbid ibex]

what about fake reasons

[hollow ibex]

6>3, so ofc 6 is better

[snow sonnet]

Conflicting opinions ig

Ill try it tho

[lunar maple]

The stab charge hurts chargers good

Pierced they brain

[misty belfry]

Chat are Veteran knife builds still viable or is it all power sword spam

Haven't played in months and I had some Veteran Stealth Knife build that was nasty

[agile yew]

Just had my 2nd game ever with maxed out powersword6, and here you guys talking about it. Just came to say its hella strong, but the slowness makes me feel like im granny waving it around

[lunar maple]

Anything’s viable if your good

[snow sonnet]

Dueling blade good

[lunar maple]

I hear tons of love for many melee weapons

[hollow ibex]

6 has way better moveset, the ability to charge faster with block canceling and the lower sprint stamina consumption

[lunar maple]

People love shovel and combat axe

Power swords are allways decent

[snow sonnet]

Viable is not alone good enough reason

[agile yew]

Block cancelling for power sword, maybe thats what im missing to make it nicer

[hollow ibex]

3 has… charge sprint, which is useless

[snow sonnet]

Solo is viable but no one is doing that a bunch

[lunar maple]

I mean having it compliment the rest of your gear is helpful

[ember halo]

I run knife on one of my vets builds (helbore) It’s still a great weapon for mobility/repositioning. However, I’d still say you’re better off taking other weapons.

[lunar maple]

An using soemthing your comfortable and good with helps

[misty belfry]

I mean my entire built was built around shredder frags, serrated blade, and mercy killer

[lunar maple]

Ah so bleed build

[agile yew]

I just went to mission and kept throwing nades on crowds. Took about 10min to realise i had kraks instead

There was some voiceline about kraks when it hit me

[misty belfry]

Pretty much

[lunar maple]

Yeah kraks don’t explode big aoe

They like bunker buster

Not for crowds

[agile yew]

Yeah saved em for ogryns and bulwarlks afterwards

[misty belfry]

Kraks are nice but I much prefer shredders

[lunar maple]

Especially a rush of multiple

Cuz you can take out more than 1 with a nade

[misty belfry]

I like my grenades for helping deal with hordes

[lunar maple]

Understandable

My chainswords does that

With bleed stacks on hit too

Mm mm mmm

[misty belfry]

Mercy Killer is the only reason I still run Combat Knife because that extra damage is very nice

[lunar maple]

I mean you can avoid hits

With knife

[agile yew]

Almost tempted to buy aquilas for first time

[hollow ibex]

MK isn’t worth on vet sadly

[lunar maple]

If your good with knife the speed makes a big difference

[hollow ibex]

It’d prob be the third blessing I’d take, but we can only take two blessings

[lunar maple]

Self survival go up if you have situational awareness

[lunar maple]

Buy the first timer Aquila bundle for extra

[misty belfry]

I remember first time I bought aquilas it was when the Scion Helm was in the shop and I bought it without hesitation

[lunar maple]

It was a good ammount of Aquila’s

[agile yew]

Yeah thats what im looking at

[lunar maple]

Like 3 k

I got the cadian gear

[misty belfry]

Has the Scion Helm ever reappeared in rotation

[lunar maple]

Fucking love my old faithful lasgun skin

The greeeeeeeeeen

The woood

The handgrip

[misty belfry]

I got like

The first Cadian set

Then the Armageddon Steel Legion set

[lunar maple]

I’m rocking the helm cuz it’s full cover

Then the classic vox and the cadian tank commander jacket and cyborg legs

[misty belfry]

Yea I usually run

Scion helm
Heavy Flak vest
Armoured leggings or whatever they're called

Scion helm makes the female loose cannon sound so funny

I love it

[lunar maple]

I think I synergize: well enough with bleed builds

Since I do bleed stacks with my Chainsword

[agile yew]

I just got my havoc penance cosmetics like 30min ago, its the reason i logged on veteran

[lunar maple]

I allways wondered does the charge up do more stacks

[lunar maple]

Niceeeee

[agile yew]

Cant use em on arbi or hivescum that i usually play

[misty belfry]

I mean I'm constantly generating bleed stacks on hits so I don't know why it's not the best

Or well

[agile yew]

So gonna relearn the good old 4 OG classes now

[misty belfry]

Not worth it

[agile yew]

In style

[lunar maple]

Don’t worry about using the best best best builds unless your that kind of person

Use a build you like that is good enough

Unless your doing havoc max rank

[misty belfry]

I mean its worked fine for me but that was like 5 months ago

Kinda lost track of all balancing since

Dunno what's changed

[lunar maple]

Checking if your stuff still works is a good idea

Testing out slight changes to it

[misty belfry]

I always valued the Mk3 knife for the speed boost on heavy attack chargeup

[hollow ibex]

Just not enough of a damage boost

And FT is super strong rn

Another issue is that weakspot rates during horde clear is actually pretty low

So MK doesn’t help as much as you think

[misty belfry]

I'm sure I run both actually

Lemme check

[hollow ibex]

That means you’re not taking uncanny strike, which is a mandatory blessing

[hybrid plover]

Yeah running bleed without uncanny isn't exactly ideal

[hollow ibex]

That too

Bleed aside tho it’s just an overpowered blessing

[misty belfry]

OK no I do have uncanny lmao

[hybrid plover]

So MK + Uncanny?

[misty belfry]

Combat Knife

25% Damage VS Unyielding
5% Melee Crit chance

MK Rank 4
Uncanny Rank 4

[hybrid plover]

Cuz honestly. Flesh tearer is just, better ironically

It sounds redundant

[slow sky]

5% crit isnt worth it vs another armor perk

[hybrid plover]

Also ya

I'd run flak or cara

[slow sky]

Only 2 weapons its worth it on is laspistol and recon

[hybrid plover]

Cara preferably tbh

[misty belfry]

Will it push any breakpoints? I'm kinda in the Meat grinder rn on Auric diff and I 4 shot Maulers and 2 shot plasma gunners to the head

[hybrid plover]

I know you'd be able to one shot plasma gunners

[misty belfry]

I'm netting around 1800-1900 FPS

[hybrid plover]

On a crit

[misty belfry]

DPS*

[slow sky]

Armor perks are multiplicitive with damage and strength
So you are guaranteed to kill maulers in 1 less hit with the info you gave

[misty belfry]

Sounds like a plan

[hybrid plover]

Also, with flesh, you don't even need to care about the breakpoints lol

[slow sky]

Also while breakpoints are important they arent make or break

You have 3 other ppl doin stuff

[hybrid plover]

Vet just sauces bleed damage up that much that it turns out, doing 10 stacks of it on a crit is actually quite a lot

[misty belfry]

Yea I got a recon las with that

[agile yew]

Vet is my worst, i guess its time to get going with "creative" builds for em

[misty belfry]

Good old fire crit build

[slow sky]

Sometimes that perk makes a difference between taking 1 or 2 hits for the remaining hp left on the enemy based on the damage they took prior

So its like
Whatever honestly

Youll get value out of it either way
More than 1 crit every 20 swings

[agile yew]

[misty belfry]

I see I see

Thank you all for the help

Been looking to get back into playing vet

[slow sky]

Well on your way to ascending to shovel db ws

[misty belfry]

Well

I do have my shovel max mastery

Double Barrel not so much

[narrow widget]

double barrel my beloved

[slow sky]

One of the best builds in the game across all classes
The difference is that this one is fun unlike the others

[warm cove]

Im trying to get the On Overwatch pennance (complete a mission on haz2 or above taking no melee damage) and it just isnt happening. I keep losing random amounts of 1-4 health, no tox, no bosses, no monstrosities, no nothing. How do i do this?

[narrow widget]

play shout vet

you have gold toughness to absorb stray hits and chip

[slow sky]

Are you listening and reacting to backstab cues

[misty belfry]

The pain of existing in 40k causes damage trust /j

[warm cove]

Yeah im doing that.

[warm cove]

What?

[toxic reef]

you're allowed to take toughness damage, just not health damage

so you need to worry about things in melee range mostly

especially backstabs

[slow sky]

You know that when an enemy is taking a swing at you outside of your fov, a whoosh plays so you can react
Right?

[warm cove]

No, how would i know that?

[lunar maple]

It only happens if they attack from side or behind you

A sound cue

[warm cove]

There are like 5 different kinds of swoosh sounds

[lunar maple]

It’s a audible sound que to dodge

Only if they swinging at you from behind or the sides

Not the front

More noticeable when your swarmed by a mob

[latent star]

Swoosh, swish, swash, sweeesh, and RAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH

[lunar maple]

If they get around the side of you

[narrow widget]

its the loud one

[slow sky]

It plays super often
The melee one is similar to the sound of a weapon swinging
And the ranged one (which plays even when on screen) is more of a whiz or a zip

[lunar maple]

You need to learn to hear it

Like you need to learn it lol

Or else you’ll just be eating hits

[latent star]

It takes a while to hear it but once you do you will never not hear it.

[warm cove]

Ok, but even if i would be able to pick it out from everything else, that would just be one hit. Are you saying it pierces through all of your toughness?

[latent star]

You can load into easy games and intentionally expose yourself if it helps.

[slow sky]

Next game try finding a couple of enemies, block, and turn around and youll hear it as they swing

[toxic reef]

melee attacks can bleed through toughness

[lunar maple]

Yes

Partially

[toxic reef]

ranged cannot

[narrow widget]

only if toughness isnt full

[warm cove]

ffs SLOW DOWN

[lunar maple]

Perfectly explained

[narrow widget]

i think if toughness is full it fully absorbs

[latent star]

Toughness blocks damage equal to a percentage of how much toughness you have. If you're at 100% toughness it blocks 100%, if your'e at 90% it blocks 90%.

[slow sky]

Yes
Its quite loud and distinct
Youll soon react to it subconsciously soon after you pick up on it

[lunar maple]

It’s distinctive as fuck

Nothing else sounds like it

[hearty panther]

my alarm sound in the morning is the darktide backstab sound

[lunar maple]

Do some malice and eat hits to hear it

[latent star]

Then you can move from "instictively dodging" to "WHY THE FUCK DID I GET STOCK ON THAT TINY STAIR AND DIE NOOOOO"

[hearty panther]

ive never missed work since

[slow sky]

The thing is just identifying what it means at the start

So many sounds but youll soon just process all of them in an instant

[lunar maple]

Dodging is nice too cuz some perks give you extra damage from dodged

[lunar maple]

It’s allways louder than any other sound

But it doesn’t last forever like the charge up of the plasma gunner

[slow sky]

@warm cove but yeah
Next game, block and face away from some enemies so you can hear it as they swing at you (block is 360 too btw, just costs more stam from behind so youll still be safe)

[warm cove]

What???

[latent star]

We really are bullshit. 360 degree block?

[hybrid plover]

Ranged attacks need to get you down to zero toughness to do actual health damage

[slow sky]

Yeah, melee hits are split between health and toughness, where your current toughness % recieves that amount of the damage, and the hp recieves the rest

[hybrid plover]

Melee attacks, don't

[errant carbon]

Except snipers

[slow sky]

Being at 100% toughness means 0 damage goes to your health from a melee hit

[latent star]

*except overhead smashes from crushers and maulers because they're special

[toxic reef]

no you can eat sniper shots with just toughness

[warm cove]

bro how am i going to do this...

[toxic reef]

sniper shots often just deal more dmg than some ppls toughness

[latent star]

Take it a bit at a time, its a complex game and its fine to learn it at your own pace.

[slow sky]

If youre at 75% of your max toughness, taking 40 damage deals 30 to your toughness and 10 to your hp

[hybrid plover]

As long as you have 100% toughness, you're immune to a melee attack. Second you lose even a point of it and you're subject to health damage

[lunar maple]

You can stack toughness easy

[hybrid plover]

Meaning

[slow sky]

Just stay topped up on toughness and stay dodging and pushing when youre in melee

[hybrid plover]

Its time to run Executioner's Stance

[warm cove]

I've never been in melee while trying to this pennance

[lunar maple]

What penance ?

[narrow widget]

its safer to be in melee counterintuitively

since you generate so much toughness

[lunar maple]

Yeah

Cuz you can block

Lmao

Push

[hybrid plover]

Welp, there's your issue.

[lunar maple]

You should be doing mostly melee

[slow sky]

I got decked by a crusher side swing and lost all my toughness from the damage in the same game I got it in because of how toughness damage works lol

[narrow widget]

also just keep near the team so your back is protected

[lunar maple]

Saving gun for elites or hordes

[warm cove]

Nitoric Acid just admitted its counterintuitive. You can stop talking to me like im a dumbass.

[lunar maple]

Vet synergize to take less damage when in coherency

[narrow widget]

i found it easier to do that penance on damnation/auric since i could trust the average random there more

but that was many many months ago

[lunar maple]

Close order drill

[hybrid plover]

Mobile's delaying my messages lmao

[lunar maple]

Up to 33percent toughness damage reduction

Determined by how many allies in coherency

[hybrid plover]

I wasn't trying to talk to you like a dumbass.

[lunar maple]

Every veteran has this perk

[warm cove]

Sure.

[lunar maple]

I also use born leader so allies tet 29 percent or any toughness inreplenwish and a 50 percent coherency radius increase

[agile yew]

Just switched tac axe instead of psword, got tired of being slow

[lunar maple]

Axe and shovel are popular choices

I like chainsword myself

[agile yew]

Missing anything obvious for tac axe here?

[hybrid plover]

I like how safe shovel is

[hybrid plover]

Alright. What's the gun in question

[slow sky]

@warm cove their general point is, by being in melee more often you both have more opportunities to stay topped up on toughness, are more in control of the situation (avoiding stuff jumping you as youre far behind just shooting), and also overall just helps you improve avoiding melee damage while in melee in the first place which is a pretty vital skill

[lunar maple]

I run shred and wrath on my Chainsword with the 2 stacks of bleed on melee hit

[agile yew]

Plasma just because i dont have anything else made yet

[toxic reef]

why not melee speed and the melee bleed ones?

[hybrid plover]

Take that darn ammo talent off

[unreal nova]

It can be done any diff. I accidentally do it running knoife, ds, tac axe and just did a malice with falchion.

[hybrid plover]

And give yourself the last node for ogryn and monstrosities

[agile yew]

I dropped em to get +25 toughness nodes for carebear mode 😄

[toxic reef]

especially if you're switching off of power sword

[unreal nova]

While having to basically solo with 1 guy half asleep and 2 bots.

[warm cove]

But if im purposely hording myself.. im going to get hit more than 2 times before i can hit back
way more
there's no way to avoid that.

[narrow widget]

for someone less skilled tho who has to rely on their teammates more

[lunar maple]

I know I should have grenadier but I like focus targets 🙁

[narrow widget]

yea yea ur goated ik ik

[toxic reef]

I'd skip extra ammo

[hybrid plover]

Trust. You want that on tac axe

[narrow widget]

but this is like

people who dont play 24/7

[lunar maple]

Extra ammo is fun if you like shooting a lot

But ppl wpuld say shoot less get good

[agile yew]

My aim is to chill on less harsh enviroments, where ammo is plentiful

[unreal nova]

Is malice though, gotta be more careful on higher diffa.

[hybrid plover]

You don't purposefully horde yourself. You pull your melee out when it's appropriate.

[agile yew]

Since i just sweated that h25 tonight, now just auric chilling on other classes ive neglected, like vet

[hybrid plover]

If you know you're about to be swarmed in melee, don't keep the ranged weapon out

[lunar maple]

When they rush you melee is better

[warm cove]

Can i talk to you instead?

[narrow widget]

hi

[toxic reef]

lol

[lunar maple]

I use the weapon swap one

So I can switch to melee in emergency faster

My build is most deff not A tier but I have fun

[unreal nova]

I don't play 24/7. I barely play enough to just finish 1 h40 win and weeklies nowadays. I'm nowhere good tbh.

[wild vortex]

just fyi there's nothing more annoying than humblebrags

[warm cove]

I dont understand how going into melee and letting myself get swamped will allow me to take fewer melee hits than just dodging out of the fight and using ranged instead.

[agile yew]

You gotta get comfy with melee in mostly melee game

Unless you play desperado+pickpocket hivescum, then its 99%+ dakka

[narrow widget]

js remember that ranged weapons usually arent the greatest for horde clear in this game
stagger is a really powerful tool (think shout, shredder frag grenades, etc)
shout is rly spammable so if you ever feel like youre getting surrounded pop it and run away while everything is staggered

no shame in running

[unreal nova]

I'm just saying, it's just something you need to work on and you'll get it in time. Or just have 700+ hours in VT2.

[slow sky]

Then that tells me you haven't started the whole dodge/push rhythm, very important for all classrs
Having a rhythm in melee where you dodge every second ish will DRASTICALLY drop the chances you get hit, even without actually having to deliberately dodge specific attacks. Every couple of seconds you can also push and it forces all of the enemies in front to take a few seconds before they can attack again
Doing both of these keeps stuff from being able to hit you, keeps you from being surrounded, and keeps the group more controlled

[agile yew]

Learn to spam block-attack, hold r-click and then l-click until you swing, helps deal with hordes

[warm cove]

Could you shut up? i specifically did not ask you.

[unreal nova]

Melee in malice is the way to go.

[toxic reef]

lmao

[unreal nova]

Shovel mk1, even the starter, is enough for it.

Push more.

[hybrid plover]

Yikes.

[wild vortex]

because 1. ammo is a limited resource, and with THAT much shooting you will run out, and 2. there are MANY more talents to boost toughness gain from melee hits and kills than there are from ranged hits and kills. Also everything Cole said is right and accurate regardless of how salty you are about it.

[hollow ibex]

Push like you’re bout to give birth! 🫃

[agile yew]

"Youre not my dad!"

[unreal nova]

I have seen a lvl 3 vet it get it first mission.

First malice mission.

[lunar maple]

It took me a sec to learn too

This game ain’t shoot mostly

It’s melee mostly

[narrow widget]

blud its not that hard to give advice without being mean or putting someone down lol

[slow sky]

I mean youre just gonna get the same info, it really just comes down to getting a handle on melee so you can reliably do what the penance asks

[hybrid plover]

Yeah like everyone has been trying to answer this honestly for your sake.

What's the issue here?

[warm cove]

Ok, usually... But what about the torrent recon lasgun? thats what i've been using. or the vraks gun?

[lunar maple]

There’s guns that horde clear yeah

But like you still melee mostly

[agile yew]

My veteran gun options are kinda sad

[unreal nova]

Hell, going dueling and agile to abuse inf dodge is also a thing, use parry/block as needed. TacAxe can do the same, though for both, your horde CC is worse than shovel.

[narrow widget]

the best ranged weapons in this game are stuff like plas gun, helbore, bolter, which can take out priority targets (usually specials) quickly and from far away
melee is used for most other things (alongside grenades if you're playing vet since he regens them relatively quickly)
recon las is aight for horde clear but you're vulnerable to falling behind your team or getting hit from the back

[slow sky]

Id say taxe horde cc is on par cuz your main combo for that uses pushes quite often

[unreal nova]

Sounds like guy just wants to play shooty game and get it.

[unreal nova]

Depend on mark. I run mk4, lul.

[slow sky]

[narrow widget]

vs with a melee weapon you can block/push and know that you wont get hit from behind

[unreal nova]

Light spam.

[hybrid plover]

Don't knock it

[agile yew]

Is that investigation mission sign?

[slow sky]

I am knocking it

[toxic reef]

should've given on overwatch to psyker or scum instead so they could really do it all in ranged

[hybrid plover]

Well stop it.

[slow sky]

Espionage

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 is lowkey not bad at all

[slow sky]

I cant imagine giving up the push heavy combo

[lunar maple]

Btw y’all

I been using inf las

[unreal nova]

Look, I'm lazy. Mk4 gud lazy light spam. Heavy on muties and annoying shits.

[agile yew]

Google to rescue

[lunar maple]

Cuz I got a skin I like for it finallly

[hybrid plover]

I like it because uppercut special nukes elites

[agile yew]

No such available 💀

[unreal nova]

It isn't, the way I use it though. XD

[slow sky]

You can go to the campaign screen and do one there

[wild vortex]

don't you just love it when people ask for advice and then actively, repeatedly push back against the advice they receive even if they hear the exact same thing from multiple quarters

[agile yew]

Thanks, found it

[unreal nova]

The joke is I'm using horribly. And that's fine, it works on malice. But Agile lul.

[lunar maple]

You know what annoys me

I want that knife on the tank commander jacket

But there’s nothing that looks like it in the knife cosmetics

[narrow widget]

the tone of ur guys' messages is highk not great tho im ngl
when u start putting them down and acting like its easy n shit is when ppl stop wanting to follow that advice

[normal sparrow]

Truth nuke

[agile yew]

Hmmm, makes me solo it though, id prefer some players

[lunar maple]

It’s a mix of you can just have the meta build or you can just have fun with ur stuff

[wild vortex]

mildly related: I unironically believe that if FS were to give out aquilas more often via events, even small amounts, they'd see a measurable increase both in player count and shop spend

[slow sky]

I didnt think I personally was but I also am on mobile so as I was typing i didnt really get to read chat so I was always behind

[wild vortex]

at least, that's how I'd do it (as a marketer)

[agile yew]

Still havent spent my free 500

If id have bit more, maybe id get something worthwhile, and get more into cosmetics

[unreal nova]

This is literally what F2P games do. With a little more bonus on big events.

And more discounts on said events to encourage spending.

[wild vortex]

ye it's pretty common

[prime wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-mgr-metal-gear-gif-7216811852594003147

[lunar maple]

I love jet stream Sam

[unreal nova]

Like, you would be more willing to buy some if they had discounted bundles during summer and winter.

[lunar maple]

He is the dictionary definition of a shit eating grin

[slow sky]

That is a GOLD eating grin

Excuse you

[lunar maple]

Watch the cutscene where he cuts the dude in half

In the begining of the gsme

He turns around with a massive shit eating grin

Big troll energy

[narrow widget]

shit idk from an outside perspective it kinda looks like you're treating them like they're stupid
they were lowk getting pissed off

[lunar maple]

Mogging tf out of them

[slow sky]

It is too good of a grin to be shit eating

[lunar maple]

It’s a old term lol

It’s like saying someone is a son of a bitch

[unreal nova]

Plus, you know how ppl are like... I have 2000 whatevers and need 400 more, they might just buy the biggest pack once to 'save' once and such and just spiral.

[lunar maple]

Sam knows he’s a fucking troll and loves it

[wild vortex]

I was both bored and curious so I went back and checked, because I have asked Epic Cole some Epic Stupid questions and never had him sound rude. And ykw, I actually didn't find anything rude here at all, just as I suspected. I think people need to grow up a little.

[narrow widget]

its mostly abt the tone

[lunar maple]

text doesn’t have tones

You create the tones

[narrow widget]

text does have tones

[lunar maple]

In your mind

[hybrid plover]

Ima be real, I genuinely don't see it Cole's case. I don't think anyone was truly trying to be abrasive about the advice here at all

[unreal nova]

Also, mindset. If all you want to do is shoot, then you are just not getting it if you can't quick swap to block random backstabs.

[slow sky]

I mean at a certain point when it comes to darktide
Theres always so much to learn that you cant really avoid it when trying to give advice
Advice might not be helpful if its something they already know, or if its too far ahead of what they know

[lunar maple]

The quick swap thing helps me with not getting hit

It helps so I can switch to melee and block faster

[slow sky]

And finding where they are takes a bit of bouncing around

[hybrid plover]

Maybe it could have been taken that way, true but, honestly I'm hard pressed to say Cole was even sounding mean based on that

[narrow widget]

not gonna argue this point but js know that like acting like ur so much better than someone etc etc isnt the way to get ppl to listen to u

i had to learn that the hard way

[unreal nova]

One motion is really good for that, same for quick pull out melees.

[lunar maple]

None of us are trying to be mean pretty sure we all like to helps

We can be sarcastic sure

Smart asses yes

[narrow widget]

everyone likes to help and not be mean (i hope)
js that the way that it comes across to the other person might be overbearing

[lunar maple]

It can be much at times all the crazy tech n such

I didn’t figure it all out in one day

Hell I still haven’t used every weapon

Let alone class

[unreal nova]

Why it's a penance you get legit with time.

[lunar maple]

I gt comfortable with the stuff I found enjoyable

[unreal nova]

And a little luck.

Because silent dogs are bs.

[lunar maple]

A dog saved me once

From a trapper

It was magical

The dog pushed the trapper into a death fall off a bridge

[unreal nova]

Not when on overwatch lul.

[lunar maple]

And flew into death too

[unreal nova]

That insta fails.

[lunar maple]

I saw that dog look at me as it fell to its death

That pox hound was a homie

Fr

Just tackled that trapper into the death void

[toxic reef]

if you're under the effects of a stim crate you're fine

[slow sky]

P sure on overwatch is more likely to be gotten on higher difficulties, not because of teammates since its heavily based on the person, but because the person has build up the melee habits by that point to handle the increased density because the habits are so universal

[hybrid plover]

I got On Overwatch in a h39 actually lol

[slow sky]

If theyre at malice as their main difficulty, those habits arent in place yet so any number of enemies would still cause it to be tripped up

[hybrid plover]

I was like "oh"

[slow sky]

I got it on damnation way way back when

Before auric existed

[toxic reef]

I got Malleus Monstronum in a havoc game, think something around 25-30

[latent star]

I'm trying the Rashad on a weapon spec build and I kind of hate it, am I missing something or is it a bad fit for that build?

[hybrid plover]

Blessings?

And perks too

[narrow widget]

consider the average malice team (ur on ur own lmfao) vs the average auric+ team (at least tries to stay near each other)

like with good teammates i at least know someones gonna cover my back

u scratch my back i scratch yours type shit

[wild vortex]

needs all the attack speed you can get for it to feel great, + brutal momentum, + regularly keeping WS+AE

[hybrid plover]

Honestly that's prob why it happened in h39

[lunar maple]

That’s another thing

When team doesn’t give a fuck about coherency

[latent star]

That's what I'm trying and it still just feels kinda mid. Maybe I need more use with it.

[hybrid plover]

The team I was with was really good at covering each other

[lunar maple]

It sucks man

[latent star]

Carapace / Unarmored / BM / HT

60 mobility

[hybrid plover]

Well shit

[toxic reef]

combat axe is not a fun weapon sadly

[lunar maple]

I like when teams give a fuck about coherency

[wild vortex]

huh, seems fine

maybe just not for you then

[hybrid plover]

Maybe you just don't vibe with it

I know I dont.

[lunar maple]

If the team stays in full group or groups of 2

I know it’s a good team

[wild vortex]

Rashad/DB WS is basically one of the most insane things there is

[hybrid plover]

Don't really like Rashad

[latent star]

guess I'll give it a few more rounds and see if it clicks

[slow sky]

Yeah that contributes but it takes 1 hit for it to be over
Often enough ive brought newer into auric with a stacked team and they got hydrogen bombed by melee

[lunar maple]

I get aurics has quick match with randoms

[slow sky]

You just take for granted your muscle memory you've developed

[lunar maple]

But I just do havoc if I want a challenge

[latent star]

is the special just for staggering ragers?

[unreal nova]

But that's if there's a crate scum.

[toxic reef]

yes

[tall torrent]

Wat tree

[slow sky]

The push attack is better for that

[narrow widget]

its obv not the be all end all solution to skill issue but its still a major factor

[slow sky]

The special kinda sucks poo cuz it doesn't do anything the rest of the moveset does better

[narrow widget]

cant just pretend like teammate quality doesnt affect how the run goes

[latent star]

slightly modified generic WS / VoC vet.

[unreal nova]

I know. Once you are used to harder diffs, you will casually do it by accident on lower ones without thinking unless you play full slop mode.

[tall torrent]

What issues do u have then

[unreal nova]

Play on dead servers. You get used to 2/3 bots.

[tall torrent]

No cleave?

[hybrid plover]

Weird question too

[latent star]

just feels kinda mid? Horde clear seems very reliant on a push attack, it isn't bad but it does slow it down a bit. Seems meh into armor and ragers.

[hybrid plover]

Are you short?

[latent star]

only on intellect

[hybrid plover]

I know it's weird.

But this actually does matter

[narrow widget]

shit bro idk
when someone is asking abt "how do i get such and such penance" theyre not looking for "get good lmfaooooo go on a training arc lmfaoooooo"

[tall torrent]

Did u check on the guide for combat axe

[lunar maple]

I like how the height for in gsme is eyeballing it

[latent star]

yes, doing the specific BM / HT with unarmored and carapace.

[lunar maple]

They don’t tell you how tall you are

You just compare to other characters lmao

[wild vortex]

uhh what, horde clear is literally just light spam

[tall torrent]

Did u check the moveset too

[unreal nova]

Can just assume they aren't 3 bots tier... or maybe you can.

[latent star]

you don't PA for your horde clear?

[wild vortex]

hell nah

[hybrid plover]

I mean true but like, this is one of those penances in particular where to an extent, you can't really fully cheese it.

[wild vortex]

the lights are fast and well angled

I mean sure you can PA now and again to make space

[latent star]

maybe that's it, PA just for ragers and stagger mostly?

[wild vortex]

and PA is great for rager clown car

but that's about it

[tall torrent]

U should do it every few seconds for control but you shouldn’t need to be spamming it

[latent star]

I'll try modifying my patterns a bit and see if it clicks

is the special just kind of a waste on it?

[wild vortex]

that's kind of the appeal, simple light spam for clear and heavy spam for carapace

[narrow widget]

thats not the point tho
teammate quality definitely has a noticeable impact on how a run goes
i cant carry 3 bots through havoc 40 but with an actual team we might have a shot
same principle with this

[tall torrent]

Check the moveset listed in guide & recommended combos

[latent star]

aside from styling on a rager to revers swing them into the nurgles?

[unreal nova]

Well, I just got used to 300 ping as well, so... Just gotta practice. What can we say? Practice, practice, practice. Gotta feel the game. Or just go beg someone to carry you.

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t have a special action

It’s worthless

[unreal nova]

You can cheese, beg someone to carry you after you jumped off the map.

[latent star]

style points only, got it

[unreal nova]

Yes, but we are talking on overwatch, right?

[hybrid plover]

To an extent*

[narrow widget]

"but i did it in a much more difficult situation im literally goated etc etc" isnt the advice ppl are looking for

[hybrid plover]

I mean just like, normally playing the game.

[narrow widget]

yes practice will fix issues

everyone knows that

what theyre looking for is some direction which will make the actual thing easier

ie

get good teammates

start going into melee more

start popping ult more

[unreal nova]

Thing is, that will always be random unless you stack the decks.

[agile yew]

Tac axe unsuprisingly slaps, or more like chops, on vet too

[latent star]

Yeah I love the tac axe

[hybrid plover]

I mean honestly I wouldn't have minded trying to help out with the penance lol

[agile yew]

Just did my first mission with tac axe vet

[narrow widget]

literally the same situation here
the average malice team isnt going to stay in coherency. thats for chumps
the average damnation team or auric team? maybe theyre better

[lunar maple]

Wat penance we talking

[hybrid plover]

If it's malice, can't really get hit if everything's already dead

[agile yew]

Malice is sightseeing the empty maps

[narrow widget]

again like when u go into malice you're literally goated
i know a lot of people who struggle on malice (they dont have hundreds or thousands of hours in the game)

when you go into malice its like lebron playing against 8 year olds

when they do its 8 year olds playing against 8 year olds

[last marten]

it's rough playing with friends starting out

[hybrid plover]

Ya. S'why it's nice to help out sometimes.

[narrow widget]

its just disingenuous to say "oh this is so EASY and you SHOULDNT be having trouble with ANYTHING"

[hybrid plover]

Ya I agree

All of us sucked

[unreal nova]

Is what I mean. Ppl fight to kill things on that diff.

[hybrid plover]

Once upon a time

[last marten]

where did that old difficulty sit
sedition? want it before malice

wasn't

[hybrid plover]

It's more like in this case it would be killing it before it gets to the person thats not trying to lose health

[unreal nova]

Is just, are you willing to put in the time for it or not.

[wild vortex]

ngl you are arguing with someone whose answer to literally everything is "but I play with 300 ping" or "I'm so bad at this game I only do 1 h40 every week" idk what you're expecting here lmao

[hybrid plover]

Which is definitely possible

[slow sky]

Sedition uprising malice

[unreal nova]

Is true though, I get a choice of, solo or 300 ping.

[narrow widget]

karien we know ur literally the lebron of darktide with like 500 lb weights attached to your ankles

[slow sky]

But thats not really applicable to almost anyone

[agile yew]

I did my first aurics in early january

[wild vortex]

Yes yes I'm sure most of the server knows by now

[last marten]

sedition uprising malice heresy damnation | auric damnation

[agile yew]

Now aurics feel like whack-a-mole after havocs

[slow sky]

Trial by fire
Never fails

[hybrid plover]

Look, I get what you're saying but I also don't think it's that deep either.

[warm cove]

I feel like this kind of ignores my question. Im using the guns that are good for horde clearing. And if there's a sound cue for when you're about to get backstabbed, surely getting surprise attacked from behind wouldnt be an issue as you could dodge away and keep shooting, right?

I've been listening for that cue. And even if i would be able to hear it over the 15 other louder sounds playing, i swear it only plays around 20% of the time. Again, im actively listening for it.
Not to mention that, if while trying to do this On Overwatch pennance, if a burster shows up and tries to target me, im completely fucked.

[unreal nova]

Am not good. Just okay with or without lag. Is just, if one puts enough work and time behind it, they can get it to work. High ping is just another difficulty modifier, assuming not insta DCs.

[agile yew]

Bursters you push and then dodgeslide backwards, 99.9% success rate after you get hang of it

[slow sky]

When a burster closes in on you, you can push it away when it jumps and dodge backwards

[lunar maple]

Yeah if you hear the stuff you can just dodge it’s just once you hear the sound que they are able to hit you close enough and behind or beside you

[agile yew]

Only time recently i almost failed, was yesterday when my dog pounced on it, and weird things happened

[lunar maple]

So your shooting and you can get horse blinders on

Or be too surrounded to dodge one direction

[warm cove]

Wasnt asking any of you.

[lunar maple]

Your literaly in fucking veteran chat lol

[narrow widget]

bursters you push and dodge backwards
sound cues might be fucked by new update(?) but thats why its mostly recommended to keep melee up and hold block
usually though when i play recon las i try to stick right next to a teammate so they can take care of any trash enemies who get close to me that i dont notice

[quiet lark]

what the hell

[lunar maple]

But sure fuck us lmao were the rude ones

[slate valve]

I had a game where all four of use were voice of command vets and it was really funny

[last marten]

danger zone my beloved

[lunar maple]

Sounds glorious

[wild vortex]

should have DM'd then

public chat, public responses

[unreal nova]

Thus, why everyone says it's easier to go 90% melee.

[lunar maple]

For real lmao

[slate valve]

I’m going to publicly ask a question and be mad when the public reads and takes time to respond

[unreal nova]

Just use shout more as well.

[slow sky]

Melee offers way more options to avoid melee hits via blocking and pushing in addition to dodging

[last marten]

veteran is by far my least played class idk why
last time i played vet i used shovel 3 and double barrel

[wild vortex]

this is why I use dogwhistle to make sure the doggo ignores bursters

don't wanna deal with this crap

bursters are bugged enough as it is

[agile yew]

I installed autoping, it came with High Priority on bursters

After that, i set it medium, no longer happens

[wild vortex]

use DogWhistle instead

[slate valve]

Chainsword my beloved. I know it’s not the best melee but it feels so good

[wild vortex]

genuinely better

[lunar maple]

wtf you mean it’s not the best

[hybrid plover]

Healthmaxxing new meta

[wild vortex]

gives you more customization options

[lunar maple]

It fuckin rules

I love the Chainsword

It’s fuckint peak

[hybrid plover]

Spread the word. The truth.

[agile yew]

Might have to look it up then

[lunar maple]

It’s good for hordes

Elites

Carapace

Flak

[slate valve]

Me too, I just hear people saying chain weapons are bad etc etc dueling sword this, dueling sword that

[lunar maple]

You name it

[wild vortex]

yeah check it out, it has a lot of custom settings

[lunar maple]

Bro it’s easy mode

[wild vortex]

for timing / stacks / target prio etc.

[lunar maple]

Just spam light attack

That’s the Chainsword

[slate valve]

Chainsword voice of command vet really plays into my sergeant/company commander fantasy

[lunar maple]

Ppl die trying to use charge attack

Cuz they don’t know WHEN to use it

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword overrated

[lunar maple]

Spam light most of the time

[agile yew]

I wanna roleplay some vet builds. Like Chainsword + Las Pistol and take off my grunt helmet

And recon las and hellbore

[hybrid plover]

I will continue to spout my propaganda

[lunar maple]

I’m using Chainsword and Lasgun

[slate valve]

That’s what I do

[lunar maple]

Going Cadian

[wild vortex]

both good and good fun

[slate valve]

I do chainsword bolt pistol

[wild vortex]

I went full Krieger RP with Helbore + Shovel, loved it

[hybrid plover]

Why would you use a dueling sword

When the mk1 shovel

[agile yew]

Im just kinda too poor atm

[lunar maple]

I like when my teammate uses a evicerstor

[hybrid plover]

Is right there

[lunar maple]

It’s fun

[slow sky]

Chainsword is cool cuz its the only weapon to have unique finesse scaling across multiple enemy hits compared to every other weapon in the game
This scaling makes it to where its the best melee for mulching hordes without relying on any external bs mechanic

[agile yew]

Gotta grind more coins, since those weapons are like lvl 1 mastery for me

[lunar maple]

Yeah chainswords melts hordes

Just light attack over and over

I run shred and wrath

[slate valve]

Oh yeah it’s my beloved

I’m gonna look at buying an Im eggcellent hat to wear to comic con, peace out

[lunar maple]

Crit chance on chained hits and cleave up on hit

[unreal nova]

You mean, TacAxe with Agile. Right?

[hybrid plover]

No.

[slow sky]

Every enemy hit in a swing deals less damage according to the cleave damage profile of that attack
But chainsword says "none of that bullshit" and lets the bonus damage from a headshot/crit vs a body stay the exact same from target to target, meaning the latter enemies hit take WAY more damahe in comparison to other weapons

[lunar maple]

I like using my Chainsword with a teamate usinc the evicerator it feels like we’re Ken and Ryu

[slow sky]

And this thins out hordes way faster

[lunar maple]

Also you can chainsword chargers as they run last you

[wild vortex]

and of course this is mentioned nowhere at all and hence I just learned it today

[unreal nova]

Oh come on, they can be played the same way if lazy.

[lunar maple]

Kills them owth charge hit before they reach ur ally even if they are like out of your range

[hybrid plover]

It's not as fun.

I live for shovel bonks

[slow sky]

Guess what you didnt know too

Tox gas gives you buffs

[quiet lark]

i didn't know chainsword was so popular. what mark do y'all use?

[unreal nova]

Fien, Mk3 with headtaker+decimator.

[wild vortex]

excuse me? Other than concealment?

[hybrid plover]

Concealed lol

[steel lagoon]

Talking about the mk iv or does this apply to both?

[slow sky]

OK so you do know lol
Same as smokes

[slow sky]

Both

[wild vortex]

yeah I knew that but it's so awful in other respects that I just bail regardless

[lunar maple]

Shred gives 4 percent bonus critical chance on chained hits stacking 5 times and wrath gives 40 percent cleave on hit stacking 5 times

Spam light attacks and your golden against hordes

[hybrid plover]

Well yeah you don't stay in the gas unless you're running arbites with rebreather

But its a nice little bonus

[lunar maple]

Chainsword lets you bite into hordes like a piranha

[hybrid plover]

Especially since it means dogs can't pounce you in the gas

[lunar maple]

wtf is the difference between the marks ?

For Chainsword ?

I allways used the one with a higher damage on heavy attack

[hybrid plover]

Or at least try to go for the pounce while you're in the gas

[slow sky]

Just moveset

[lunar maple]

I assumed it ment more charge attack damage

So I went with the first mark

[slow sky]

I personally am not a fan of chain weapons so I dont even remember the movesets

[lunar maple]

Understandable

[wild vortex]

pinned guide covers it

[lunar maple]

I went with the heavy damage higher mark cuz of the charge attack

I use it often on shields and carapace and flak guys

[wild vortex]

mk13g is the smoothbrain light spam weapon, mk4 is the one with some variety

[tall torrent]

chainsword's finesse does fall off (just not by as much)

[lunar maple]

Stronger heavy attack tho

[tall torrent]

and it's not the only atk where different cleaved targets have specific finesse settings

[lunar maple]

Also idk how to find the pinned comment

But thanks anyways

[wild vortex]

[unreal nova]

Mobile? The magnifying glass, then pins.

[steady copper]

Which helbore lasgun mark you guys recommend?

[hybrid plover]

All of them

Seriously, every single one has its own merits

[slow sky]

Im partial to the slowest firing one because it gives you more agency
You can kill shooters with half of a charge and obliterate most elites in one hit, 2 for the toughest

[steady copper]

gotcha, thanks.

[calm shard]

gun that does so much overkill damage at full charge that it could one shot pus hardened skin through brute force xd

[slow sky]

thats why it gives you agency cuz you can just
not fully charge it

[slow spade]

I also like how it has the lingering burning air when it fires a crit laser

very nice addition

[tidal fox]

damn I actually got accused of hacking as vet

didn't know losers actually cheat in this game

[scenic lance]

why would they say you're hacking

[tidal fox]

it was a ranged heavy auric match and my name was filling the killfeed too much ig

[lyric path]

…..there are hacks out there for darktide loathed as I am to admit ……

[tidal fox]

hacking kinda kills the point of the game but weirdos really be out there

[unreal nova]

Aimbots exists as well, btw..

[tidal fox]

damn you gotta be really lazy to aimbot a pve game 💀

[hollow ibex]

no?

just play psyker

[unreal nova]

Heck, last I know, the wallhack mod is still public knowledge.

It's just no CD exe stance.

[unreal nova]

It exist even if you don't think it does. People use it with precision guns to 100% headshot.

[tidal fox]

the emperor does not permit such heretic technology

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but some ppl don't care.

[formal ice]

Sorry dude we kinda need it to aim

Don't mind us console players

[unreal nova]

You don't turn it off or at least to light???

[formal ice]

At least light

So I can actually move my camera while close to hordes

Because melee also have aim assistance on console

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure is just aim assist setting. >_>

Going full kept spinning me around into jumpscares.

[formal ice]

What do you mean

[unreal nova]

Aim assistance. Is just a controller thing.

[formal ice]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

And also works on PC.

[formal ice]

Yeah

But I prefer to say console

Because uh

You will almost never see anyone using a keyboard on a console

Or a mouse

[unreal nova]

Yes, but a good number of PC gamers still use controllers.

[formal ice]

Karien since you got nitro can you make jonkler a emote

[formal ice]

Theres more people using controllers on consoles than PC players using controllers

Come on

Do the jonkler

It's funny

[unreal nova]

The only thing I'm adding is my vet staring whenever it's done.

[formal ice]

Your vet staring?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, wanted a personal thing for the thing I spam the most.

So... STARE.

[formal ice]

Wouldn't it be yourself

Staring

[unreal nova]

Someone wants to be a new furcoat.

[formal ice]

No

I am just stating a fact

[tidal fox]

skaven stating a fact

jokes write themselves

[shell girder]

I finally got Long Bomb. That is all

[prisma crest]

https://tenor.com/view/russianbadger-gif-21014247

[prisma crest]

5 bullets left

That is me as vet

All of my team has ammo but keeps taking it from me

[austere mica]

What ranged are you running

And are you running survivalist

[prisma crest]

Revolver

And yes

[austere mica]

What are you shooting at

[prisma crest]

https://tenor.com/view/limmy-brian-limond-dry-lips-dry-mouth-gif-21450028

Well you see

[austere mica]

I might know the problem

[prisma crest]

I can't resist the urge

The urge to sling

[austere mica]

Yeah that would be your problem

Try to rush shotgunners and gunners in melee when you can

[prisma crest]

Honestly the revolver needs more ammo

[austere mica]

If you build a habbit it'll help

[austere mica]

Run agri then

[prisma crest]

Only gun I run out of ammo of

[austere mica]

Zarona is 100% ok with surv in auric

[prisma crest]

The one and only

[snow sonnet]

What is the power sword charge cancel tech?

[prisma crest]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-shocked-terkejut-kaget-suprised-gif-12174657

[wild vortex]

Hit special then block cancel

[snow sonnet]

oh i see

so i was doing it right it just really doesn't feel that great

[austere mica]

I just charge while blocking

Ps6 really doesn't need the help from a cancel

[snow sonnet]

well why would you not want to get to your attack faster?

[austere mica]

Too much effort for my eepy night night OP melee

[snow sonnet]

hmm idk i just dont think i like this weapon

having the awkward breaks specifically in important situations is really not great

[hollow ibex]

It takes some time to get used to but it’s worth

Strongest melee in the game after all

[snow sonnet]

Idk like nothing is as fun as relic blade or dueling blade

and dueling blade movement is just too fun

the gaps just awkward but idk maybe i gotta push to not get hit

not like i can just do that with ragers mauler or crushers