veteran-class

[primal zealot]

[lunar maple]

Niceeeee

[pine pecan]

Hey guys which knife marks are better mk3 or mk6?

[narrow frost]

Overall mk6 (better horde better single target)

But I like the feel of 3 more

[drowsy perch]

that was your long one?

mine was adept assassin

even with revolver it took a bit

i think that (killshot) was like the 1st one i got done

i used marksman a lot

[tidal fox]

to this day I dont see the appeal of psword

like yeah the cleave and damage is good but the slowness cooks you in public lobbies

especially if you got a weapon like helbore

taxe clears it imo

[analog yacht]

i guess if your bar is pub leap frogging for green circles

[drowsy perch]

somewhat related

assault chainsword is

so fucking good

the special is great on bosses

clutched a auric match with it

[analog yacht]

you can kinda use anything in auric

also as soon as there's like, 2 crushers, you stop having a weapon

[drowsy perch]

not if you use it right

its surprisingly good for 2 crushers

less at 3

[drowsy perch]

i use it in havoc aswell

[tidal fox]

The humble krak grenade

[drowsy perch]

3 kraks in a world of 100 crushers

well

i suppose if you take the refill on elite kill

but i dont

just the regen

[tidal fox]

Refill is mandatory on vet imo

Especially on krak

Frag is eh

Smoke nah

[drowsy perch]

i prefer getting more damage perks

especially weakspot ones

[tall torrent]

why do u not take it

[drowsy perch]

my classes are made very specific

like i want all crit and weakspot stuff if im a crit weakspot build

[tall torrent]

what does it look like

[slender elm]

crippling overspecialization

[stable socket]

my gut says demo team in havoc is roughly as good as the "regen 1 grenade per minute" node

especially if it procs while you're spamming kraks into a bunch of crushers, because instead of giving you nades on a regular cadence it's more likely to proc when a bunch of elites die (i.e. when you've just used a bunch of nades but potentially need more, which is exactly the scenario in which nade regen is most useful)

[livid crystal]

Chill it’s gonna go crazy

[south river]

my favourite part of playing veteran is when recon lasgun go brrrrr

[pseudo fiber]

It's arguably better

[south river]

Which infantry autogun is best?

Agri or Vraks?

[thorn lark]

vraks

[south spindle]

Blue one

[night talon]

vraks

[south river]

Why is Vraks the best one? I find it a bit difficult to keep aim on it when ADSing

[unreal nova]

It just kicks up. Aim neck area.

[tough nova]

Best dps

[ocean idol]

Were there any changes to vet since hive scum?

I yearn for infiltration buff

[grand perch]

I guess you could say that
...

Infiltrator buffs are nowhere to be seen

[frail harness]

Please make it not deactivating when you attack would be so peak

[dry cloak]

you wish

[frail harness]

I wish for veteran to get grenade launcher there’s no saving me

[cursive oracle]

It’s fucking amazing

Kraks for days

[frozen crown]

horrible

[trim badger]

At this point remove infiltrate

And add locked and loaded from bounty hunter (VT2)

[fervent nest]

quick check, dump stat for a plasma gun?

[trim badger]

69 thermal

71 charge

[fervent nest]

read on reddit that had changed with a patch not long ago?

[trim badger]

Well 69 thermal allows for the most amount of uncharged shots without venting still

[fervent nest]

gotcha. I had thought of dumping ammo too, since it seems like a fairly ammo efficient gun

I'll keep buying plasma guns till I get that roll then

[trim badger]

You can make a temporal one by dumping charge rate until you get the god roll

[fervent nest]

understood - thanks boss

[turbid ibex]

I'd rather dump thermal tbh

[fervent nest]

I think i bought like 30 plasma guns so far, no luck even for a charge dump

oh shit

there's a charge rate dumped plasma gun at the requisition shop rn

yoink

[atomic onyx]

Can someone help me out a bit? Helbore Lasgun has 3 marks - IV, V, and IIIa, Im looking for the one with the highest damage on charged shot, I found an old guide from 2 years ago, but marks have changed, It was simply I, II and III. Am I just looking for the Highest ADS damage? Not really specified in description

[tame lodge]

They were talking about something else
The proper dump still 69 thermal 71 charge

Also

Don't trust reddit

[tame lodge]

You're looking for mk4

The hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[atomic onyx]

Ah, I thought as much, but wasnt sure. Thanks for the clarification

Is there like a shooting range? Something like the dummies in vermintide? Didnt see the psyker grill offering anything like it

[tame lodge]

The Psykhanium

Aka Meat Grinder

It's the last option when talking to Sefoni

[atomic onyx]

Oh, i thought those are like solo battles or something

but i guess those would be Mortis Trials

Also, while at it, can someone explain the choice of tactical axe as a melee weapon for the sniper loadout? The special attack is amazing for staggering dudes, but i feel like im struggling in horde clear a bit

[tame lodge]

It's a low investment melee because sniper builds tend to be all about your ranged

It's a fast melee

Safe

Special, heavy and push attack being able to stagger ragers is pretty good

[atomic onyx]

Yeah, gotta admit being able to stagger a charging rager is amazing

but clearing waves feels like a carpal tunnel sim

Cause that cleave on heavy definitely aint it, unless those blessings i dont yet have will change that much

[tame lodge]

Do you have Brutal Momentum?

On weakspot kills it deals the first target damage to another 3 targets, totalizing 4

[atomic onyx]

Woah, that is not in the description

Well, gotta grind one mastery more to reach those 2 recommended blessings

Back to it, thanks for the answers 🫡

[wild vortex]

use mk7 taxe with headtaker + brutal momentum, for horde clear do push attack into heavy

and repeat that loop

probably the safest horde clear loop there is

[thorn lark]

quick question: if you play private, as a duo, and don't rez the bots, do you get punishing waves? (without solo mod)

because the spawn went quite insane

[silver patrol]

aren't you supposed to get easier waves if anything

[thorn lark]

I got the answer, no it was not last man standing

it was a specialist surge during an objective

[tame lodge]

Did you notice an increase in dogs?

Or mutants?
Or trappers?

[thorn lark]

bursters, flamers, bombers mostly

[latent star]

a big thing you're getting from TAxe that you might not be getting from other weapons is decent dodge distance and sprint speed.

depends on what you're comparing it to but if its, say, power sword, oof.

[latent star]

Mark 3 is the middle ground, Mark 5 is the fastest firing and the most DPS but has the hardest time reaching one-hit-kill breakpoints because of that, and Mark 4 is slow as molasses but hits hardest.

IMO Mark 3 is ideal for generalist sniper builds and Mark 5 is ideal for "put everything into ranged nobody gets within 500m of our team" builds. You can stack enough +damage stuff to let the Mark 5 start getting some one hit kills on very tough targets but it requires you to devote most of your talents to it.

Mark 4 is..... too slow IMO. It hits carapace pretty hard but it just takes forever to charge.

[wild vortex]

Mk5 also charges fast enough to barely even feel like a helb0re

[latent star]

Yeah

I run it with Weight of Fire

If you get kills quick enough Mk5 with WoF can also keep up with deadshot stamina drain, which is nice for the big crit boost.

[wild vortex]

Idk if you need to deal with Deadshit for damage

[latent star]

its really really nice when it works and really really awful when it doesn't

[thorn lark]

and instant stagger, access to crits, brutal momentum...

good all rounder

[latent star]

Yeah, it benefits from melee focus but doesn't require it. It does good enough with almost no melee investment.

[sweet coyote]

Sent you my helbore build

[sweet coyote]

I disagree, mark 4 is way better in a team comp with marksman's focus. You start chunking out insane 6-9k damage hits, especially with weight of fire etc - you can really auto-delete one special a every time you click.

I was of the same opinion as you until I got a few more hours in serious games with it.

[latent star]

I really want to like the Mark 4 but when WoF isn't at full stacks it is brutally painful to wait that long to kill a single specialist.

I used it for quite a while, the carapace damage is real and the boss damage is good but specialists are what the helbore is for IMO

[sweet coyote]

I don't have that experience?

[latent star]

I think the real competitor to the Mark 4 isn't the Mark 3, its the Mark 5.

[sweet coyote]

You don't even need to fully charge it for specialist killing, unless it's maulers/crushers.

[latent star]

because if you're willing to "put up with some bullshit" to deal big damage, the fastest model gets you there.

[sweet coyote]

I haven't seriously ran the mark 5 tbh.

[latent star]

I wasn't a belieer

believer even

try it with a major focus on ranged damage

[sweet coyote]

I'll give it a try in auric, but the 4 beat out the 3a for me by faaaaaar.

[latent star]

if you put enough focus into ranged damage (and it needs to be almost your entire build) it can OHKO reapers and such.

[sweet coyote]

or whatever the middle on is called

[latent star]

3a is the middle child.

[sweet coyote]

I do like 8-9k on repears with the 4 lol

[latent star]

yes, but you don't do that with a .2 second charge time :p

[sweet coyote]

I mean, meh, it's like 0.5?

Do you forgo surgical too then?

[latent star]

No, surgical is still a must

Even when you're doing fast shots it is still giving +10-+20% crit.

[sweet coyote]

Hrm.

[atomic onyx]

thanks, will check it out, i just caught up with the new weapon upgrade system, just played my first damnation in over a year since i finally got weapons up to 500

[latent star]

If you want to Live Dangerously you can also add Deadshot plus the stamina regen talent from Marksman's Focus, which gives you crazy high crit chance but also means you have Deadshot which is pretty awful when it isn't working.

[atomic onyx]

I'm having kind of mixed feelings. Axe mark 7 is just such an easy choice compared to Helbores

[latent star]

if you're getting constant kills you can outpace the stamina cost with the MK5, its fast enough, but if you run out of Stamina then you're stuck with the worst talent in the game.

[latent star]

Helbore takes a lot of practice and is also very team reliant IMO. There are some teams that it just doesn't work with.

Helbore is powerful because its unlimited ranged power that is functionally immune to attrition. If your veteran is protected they can kill basically infinite ranged enemies for an unlimited period of time. That's very valuable for some team comps and nearly worthless for others.

Its a slow weapon and if you're running with 3 Hive Scum you're just going to spend the entire game trying to catch up.

[atomic onyx]

I don't worry about that, I aim to make 3 builds at least, with each of the special powers, right now i have ready Power Sword/Plasma gun and i just geared up exec stance build

I just cant decide which mark of the helbore

[latent star]

I'm not sure I'd take Exec Stance on most helbore builds. Depends on what you're doing with it and what weapon you're using.

Its not bad, the recent buffs help a ton

but the question is how much extra damage is it really giving you on the targets you're usually shooting? 25% extra damage on targets you're already killing in one hit is 0% extra damage.

[atomic onyx]

It feels amazing, when team isnt braindead and has some decent front i can just sit back and pop heads on 10 gunners in the background, feels good man

[dry cloak]

do helbora se weż ciężki miecz za broń do walki wręcz

[latent star]

VoC is attractive for a sniper build because it covers your biggest weaknesses and doesn't interrupt what you're doing at any point.

[atomic onyx]

wszyscy krzyczą żeby toporek brać, sprawdza się dobrze póki co, na special łamie ragerów a to spory plus

[dry cloak]

a heavy sword ci gnoja na jedny cięzki cios ściagnie jak w łep trefisz

podwójnie jak to ten nieopancerzony

[atomic onyx]

Exec Sword Vermintide się przypomina na Kruberze

[atomic onyx]

Might be a bit pedantic of me but i want a dedicated exec long range build

Helbore fits the bill perfectly and i very much enjoy using it, the question remains which one

[latent star]

No that makes sense, its a fun build role

[dry cloak]

eviscerator mk15

to jest dokładnie ten moveset

[latent star]

If you're gonna use exec stance I'd do the MK5, fastest charge means the 25% damage bonus is most relevant.

the MK5 is also the best overall DPS so exec stance will help you melt bosses

[atomic onyx]

A jak z horde clearem stoi? bo helborem to moge se pogrzebać bagnetem w pośladach co najwyżej

[atomic onyx]

MK5, the weakest one dmg wise?

[dry cloak]

eviscerator to broń ekskluzywna do zeloty

[latent star]

yes

least damage fastest charge

surgical / WoF for blessings IMO, even with its short charge time

[atomic onyx]

a ja nie ogarniam, gram tylko i wyłącznie vetem, jestem podstawowy jak białe kajzerki xd

[dry cloak]

to zacznij grać innymi

każda klasa czegoś uczy

[atomic onyx]

Hm, need to visit Psykanarium to check dmg on my usual suspects, ranged gunners, shotgunners and etc

[dry cloak]

ale to w swoim czasie

[silver patrol]

ehrm can we have real languages in the chat

[dry cloak]

fuck off donte

[atomic onyx]

😄

[dry cloak]

or should i say learn

[silver patrol]

ehrm askhtually

rule 2

[latent star]

also if you can get used to dodge sliding you can keep skirmisher up while using your helbore without too much trouble, worth learning since plenty of vet builds like having the damage boost.

[atomic onyx]

@latent star Im not sure how bosses look at the higher levels, been up to damnation so far, and every boss has just been grenade spammed xd

[dry cloak]

yeah idc

[silver patrol]

definitely learn how to slide dodge

[atomic onyx]

Bosses slightly hurt my framerate more than hp, due to dropping fps because of 7 krak explosions

[latent star]

Its hard to outpace 4 upgraded krak grenades for boss damage, which does give you a safetly valve for lots of veteran builds that don't otherwise have great boss damage.

[dry cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/polska-gurom-polska-gurom-gorom-pudzian-gif-4576587937609122376

yeah this server should be swedish speaking

[atomic onyx]

Yeah, time for psykanarium, my only goal is to 1-tap up to gunners/shotgunners

[dry cloak]

devs are swedish

[latent star]

should be able to get there with Marksman's Focus stacked up a bit.

[atomic onyx]

When i see rager rushing me i swap to melee anyway

[silver patrol]

you can easily oneshot gunners and shotgunners without anything i think

maybe not with the fastest helbore, didn't try

[latent star]

Not sure if that's true for the MK5

Yeah, that's what we're discussing

others can easily

[atomic onyx]

and ngl, that Mk 4 helbore, the strongest one single hit wise, has SUCH a shitty bayonet attack jesus christ

[silver patrol]

i wouldn't bother with the bayonet

[atomic onyx]

i ran with other versions and that light jab feels really good sometimes

whereas 4 with its overhead is just so bad

[latent star]

Bayonet used to be real strong, its a shell of what it used to be.

[atomic onyx]

its very situational, i like to just jab some dog or some other lightly armored single mob that rushes me instead of switching to melee

[silver patrol]

but switching to melee is actually faster

[latent star]

also Hot Swap talent (the 50% weapon ready speed) is really good on helbore

[atomic onyx]

whereas i cant express enough how BAD the bayonet feels on mk4

[latent star]

because helbore is so fucking slow

[atomic onyx]

Yeah, im running with One motion since im using the cookie cutter guide build from pinned comment for now

[latent star]

One Motion, thats it.

[atomic onyx]

does me wonders, but that bayonet is just so satisfying sometimes

[latent star]

sometimes you just wanna stab a guy.

[atomic onyx]

jabbing dogs is, oh, so sweet

all other arguments aside, im willing to swap to some other mark of helbore purely because of the bayonet jab

[latent star]

I think a lot of it is personal preference, there are at least plausible reasons to take any of the three variants.

[sweet coyote]

Yeah if you use mark 4, almost never bayonet lol

Tbh, I looked at actual DPS breakdown if you go "full auto" with all of them, and I think the middle one actually won out.

[atomic onyx]

I'm leaning towards the middle child, mark 3, because this whole boss argument doesnt speak to me really

[latent star]

Mostly I'd recommend seeing which mark gets you the fastest charge time while still getting you the killshots you want and going with that.

[silver patrol]

that's the middle one

[atomic onyx]

since so far seems that the entire darktide community agrees that if its bigger than humanoid model, you must spam grenades on it

and gotta admit, it works

[silver patrol]

it's barely any slower than the fastest

[sweet coyote]

If you're a slow shooter but accurate, mark 4 all the way. If you can click heads like second nature, maybe go faster charging.

[silver patrol]

tho the faster one has better carapace adm

for some stupid reason

[latent star]

Mark 4 does have the perhaps underrated benefit of encouraging you to aim :p

[sweet coyote]

Mark 5 is just a better lasgun lol

[latent star]

to make recon lasgun fans feel even worse.

look at me, I'm rapidly shooting carapace armor with a las weapon and its mildly effective!

[silver patrol]

but it has better carapace adm than the hard hitting helbore

[atomic onyx]

I recall everyone using the fastest shooting one back in the day xd

the one that goes BRRRR

It shredder armor with each hit iirc

[silver patrol]

that's a talent

bit of a meme

[atomic onyx]

Looking at Psykanarium even at auric mark 3 just pops gunners raw without marksman focus

yeah, that settles it, feels like mark 3 suits me best

will train a bit and after that the biggest challenge, the stealthy build, God, i feel weak already

[latent star]

You can underhand throw grenades while infiltrated. Which doesn't make infiltrate good it is still bad but it is really funny.

(it doesn't break stealth)

[hollow ibex]

Nah

V has the highest DPS

[hard wharf]

can someone explain in like a sentence why the best veteran gun is supposedly the plasma gun? what's the playstyle you're supposed to run with it

[hollow ibex]

Well it’s not

There you go

[distant plaza]

Best for what?

[hard wharf]

random matches at the higher difficulties I suppose? I just don't get how the plasma gun is supposed to be used

[fair shale]

See target behind 97 poxwalkers

[tame lodge]

You spam M1

That's it

[fair shale]

Fire plasma gun cleaving through said 97 poxwalkers

Kill target

[distant plaza]

Horde clear? Special sniping? Anti gunner? Bossing?

[hard wharf]

well that's what I'm trying to determine, how the gun is used

[latent star]

Weapon Specialist, pull it out for a guaranteed crit, obliterate the head or any specialist you desire, return to regular murder schedule.

It's also fine without WS but I do think that's where the weapon particularly shines

[distant plaza]

Rapid fire it into a horde to pad the damage numbers

[hollow ibex]

Taking out priority targets that aren’t crushers

[latent star]

A true pro veteran move!

[distant plaza]

Remember to shoot the elites and specials your zealot and arbitrator buddies are going to melee too

[latent star]

If they wanted points on the board they should have brought their own plasma gun.

[hard wharf]

is the primary attack the charged shot or the regular one?

[tame lodge]

Just M1

Never m2

[atomic onyx]

In my experience plasma gun is that one titan meme "enemy in the west, removing west"

big dmg, penetration, high ammo count

[silver patrol]

The ammo is one of its weakest points tho

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s got a big mag

But the reserve ammo goes pretty quickly

[errant carbon]

Too bad veteran has to scavenge (the inferior version of pickpocketing)

[tame lodge]

At least we know fatshark has the strength to nerf S+++++++ stuff

launch psword

no cooldown Scav

Sentry vet

Rending Flamer

[slate valve]

What is sentry vet

[unreal nova]

I think it's the thing where vet gets -90% threat just not moving.

So aggrodumping by just standing still and shooting.

[slate valve]

That seems really weird lol

[wild vortex]

Which FT subnode is worth picking on a sniper setup?

[hollow ibex]

Tunnel vision is really good

15 stacks and Chink are funny but more in meme territory

[wild vortex]

No I meant Focus Target

Not MMF

[drowsy perch]

the replenish toughness can be goodf

[unreal nova]

Ask Fatshark.

[drowsy perch]

• if you take allies replenish what you replenish

[latent star]

Depends how much you want to specialize in group support. They're all pretty point efficient in terms of making your team better but those final vet points are always super critical for damage so every FT node you're taking hurts you quite a bit elsewhere.

the +damage node is pretty good IMO because even with nothing else its a +10% permanent global damage buff for you.

The toughness and stam regen is useful but its very soft power, the kind of stuff you rarely notice because its just constant background regen.

Focused Fire at 6 stacks is incredible bonus boss damage but you will rarely be going up to 6 stacks in regular firefights, you'll be tagging and clearing too quickly.

IMO the +damage node is almost always a good call because its just free +10% always damage (effectively at least). The other two are skippable but still beneficial.

Support sniper is also maybe the best build for the MKIV if that's what you want to run, you are probably losing access to the +damage nodes that let the faster helbores get really fast OHKO and the extra charge time is surgical stacks you don't particularly mind.

With just a x4 FT the MK IV can three crit crushers, which isn't amazing but is probably the best you're gonna get for that type of build and weapon.

[hollow ibex]

Oh fuck I can’t read

Yeah what potato said

[wild vortex]

Hmm I guess I'll take the damage node

Not a fan of mk4 though

Gonna stick with the 5

[latent star]

You could try a MMF build that also takes born leader and leans into a bunch of toughness regen....

That should be a big coherency and toughness boost for your team I think

tunnel vision gives you +40% extra toughness regen and I think that would modify your Born Leader group regen too

So you have an weakspot takedown, get Exhil + Confirmed Kill, that's 25% instantly base effectively about 35% because of the Tunnel Vision bonus, get that on every kill might add up to a fair bit of toughness support plus the benefiit of a big coherency field on vet.

[wild vortex]

yeah but then that relies on your team to keep you covered

which realistically almost never really happens

[latent star]

Right but that's the entire point of a support sniper, no?

[wild vortex]

also after 2500 kills on MMF I am heartily sick of that node

[latent star]

like if you know your team is gonna fuck off and not cover you might as well just run normal sniper or something else

"I'm giving everyone in coherency a huge buff!" we scream to the Ogryn player desperately trying to outrange said benefit while two Hive Scum die to a crusher on the other side of the map.

[wild vortex]

it's more like pulling out helb0re to snipe distant gunner emplacements and shit, instead of just running WS like I always do otherwise

[latent star]

Hmm, I guess the thing I'd ask about the build then is what is going to differentiate it from using a revolver, shotgun, or laspistol instead? The difference could just be "I'm sick of those weapons" but those seem like what you'd go to for that category.

I've tried quite a bit of FT Helbore, it isn't bad by any metric but I think its hard to make the build come together because Helbore needs so many nodes to work.

You gotta go deep enough for shocktrooper and go to FT and now you're looking pretty point poor for fun things to buy.

[wild vortex]

yeah basically, just wanna use Helb0re instead. Other than MMF, from the weakspot damage node downwards there's nothing on left side specifically enabling Helb0re, so may as well go FT instead

[wild vortex]

why would I need shock trooper, Survivalist is enough

the gun is so ammo efficient

[latent star]

It is very ammo efficient

Would a Vigilant Autogun be a viable alternative?

[wild vortex]

shock trooper is so crazy that even when I was shooting literally all game at every single thing I didn't need a single ammo tin. Without it and with only survivalist, maybe I'll pick up one or two tins

[latent star]

Well try it out and tell us how the ammo goes.

[hollow ibex]

Shocktrooper is huge on helbore

[tidal fox]

I see them getting caught by a trapper and insta leaving more often

[hollow ibex]

Massively increases your effective mag size

The ammo economy thing doesn’t even matter that much

[latent star]

I don't think I'd run Helbore without Shocktrooper but I also think experimenting with shit is useful so godspeed.

[hollow ibex]

I’ve tried without it and it sucks

[latent star]

such a cursed node.

[drowsy perch]

whats funny is

twice ive been gotten trapped by a trapper and my pc crashed or the power went out

so i assume they thought i just ragequit

[tidal fox]

Well i always see them rushing ahead the team with their shivs to aura farm and then get themselves fucked

So if youre with the team and get trapped or killed I dont assume ragequit

Only when you're trying to aurafarm solo on a team game

[wild vortex]

the +25% node?

[turbid ibex]

las crits not consuming ammo

[wild vortex]

tbf there's very few things in this game more infuriating than being caught by a trapper as an Ogryn

[tidal fox]

But you don't see an ogryn rushing past his team 🤔

I love my big boys

[wild vortex]

oh you meant the scum

[tidal fox]

Yea

[turbid ibex]

being caught by a trapper and immediately getting roasted by a flamer

[tidal fox]

Silly ogryn player misread my sentence very typical

[wild vortex]

I keep seeing people hyped up about Darktide getting a version of chaos wastes, was it really that amazing

[tidal fox]

It was ok imo I preferred the campaign maps cause they were more challenging

But I think they can definitely do a lot of unique stuff if they bring it into darktide

[latent star]

"WHY ISN'T THE NET BURNING AWAY TOO!"

Getting netted and flamed is the exact opposite of getting dogged before a friendly mutant comes and saves you.

[tidal fox]

Yeah it is a bit too common to get trapped and instantly toasted by a flamer that just happened to be there

[narrow frost]

cause its intended

disablers spawn with specials

[hollow ibex]

Heretics are trained in combined arms tactics

[wild vortex]

makes sense actually

since they are an Imperial regiment

[hollow ibex]

Idk if all the specialists are tho

Some are prob dregs

[tame lodge]

Get coordinated strike'd lol

[tidal fox]

Are we just trained better then?

Or are we main characters

[hollow ibex]

Toughness is literal plot armor

[tall torrent]

toughness is the biggest improvement going from VT2 to DT

[drowsy perch]

helbore not that bad tbh

[turbid ibex]

helbore very good even

[drowsy perch]

as long as you arent stuck in cqc

the no ammo on crit makes it really good if you crit build it

[tame lodge]

Better than the dregs yes

But the 6th is pretty much elite

[drowsy perch]

the 6th are just current soldiers but chaos

[slow spade]

thankfully they're not using heavy weapons

elevator opens up -> autocannon lights up

[latent star]

The strategic vulnerability is painful but MK5 Helbore with Exec Stance and MMF does numbers.

[wild vortex]

I wonder if keystoneless is the play

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-gif-22206500

[tall torrent]

noe

[wild vortex]

[wild vortex]

I just looked at your version, how come no ET?

or Longshot for that matter

[analog yacht]

even if you do nothing with your keystone but tag boss with FT then that's still +20% damage vs bosses for your whole team for a point

plus like, do more than that lol

[wild vortex]

true

[analog yacht]

longshot just isn't consistent enough to rely on for breakpoints

there's typically more valuable options

[slow spade]

it's fine with automatics

but stuff like plasma and bolter could get more value

[analog yacht]

ET is also something that's fine but vet has easy access to so many high value talents that it's not worth it usually

[latent star]

One point in WS, MMF, or FT is pretty useful even if you aren't getting any of the secondary nodes.

Honestly the vet keystones are all good but the keystone support nodes are mostly bad.

[analog yacht]

MF is the worst one partly bc the talents to path to it are horrendous

plus stationary meme

[latent star]

It isn't stationary any more.

They changed it.

[analog yacht]

ohh that's good

[latent star]

Its pretty good damage but its mostly limited to las builds because of pathing.

[analog yacht]

didn't notice bc the pathing to it is horrendous so I never read it lol

shock trooper is kinda a meme. Las weapons don't have ammo issues

like you need to take +25% ammo and stam regen delay then finally ST

way overkill on ammo and the stamina isn't bad per se but stam regen delay is a melee thing

[tall torrent]

stance too good

u usually don't need ET unless ur tanking havoc gunners

in which case ET is actually rly good

[wild vortex]

hmm

[tall torrent]

lemme show u a meme build

this is how durable vet is when u spec tunnel vision + ET

but u usually don't need it

[wild vortex]

ok that's funny

[slow sky]

you do if youre playing high havoc

[hollow ibex]

and now do it with 15 stacks

[blissful ravine]

Hey I've recently just joined darktide and have been having a blast was thinking of going for 100% of the achivements

I just have a clarification question is for veteran i'm on overwatch 0 melee damage to toughenss or to health

And do you guys have any tips for it

[slow sky]

health damage is what fails it
so any melee hits while youre at max toughness dont

[blissful ravine]

Oh ok i thought it was toughness that makes life a heck of a lot easier

Are there any exceptions to it like pix hounds bumping into you or fire

[slow sky]

nope

[blissful ravine]

Also sorry one other clarification question for the dream team achivement does a pox hound or mutant grab count as a down?

Cause that would be dumb

[slow sky]

it doesnt

[tall torrent]

Unnecessary tbh

[hollow ibex]

sure

but have you considered

it's really funny

[tame lodge]

Very compelling argument ngl

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[drowsy perch]

yea any health damage

easy way is to go easiest difficulty (that it allows) and try and find some ogryns to help

[tidal fox]

or be a man and test yourself till you get it right

I got mine easily with an infiltrate based talent tree

wasnt that hard

[blissful ravine]

Thanks ya my inital thought was toughness damage felt like it was way to punishing

[drowsy perch]

infiltrate is also an easy way to do it

i think i got mine done before i was even level 30

[tidal fox]

yeah just go with something that lets you sit in the back and lets you hold block if you must

hold ur infiltrate when u get in an oh shit moment

but play it safe

[drowsy perch]

yeah i spent most of it just blocking and shoving

did occasionally get hit but u can take 1 hit without health damage

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

I had a bunch of stamina curios though so I could run away a lot with the tac knife

[drowsy perch]

my current curios are just

max health or max toughness as main

[tidal fox]

i only run stamina for my support vet

[drowsy perch]

and the 3 perks are 5 health 5 toughness and stamina regen (i use deadeye a lot)

[tidal fox]

on my others I just run toughness

[drowsy perch]

also i think the +5 health and toughness are underrated

which i kinda get

you need to take it on all the curios for it to matter

but it is quite helpful

[tidal fox]

I run combat ability regen and sprint based on the loadout

[drowsy perch]

significantly tankier than normal

[tidal fox]

i dont really run toughness cause my vets are always squish

y

[hollow ibex]

toughness is good on vet

[drowsy perch]

toughness maxxing is very good on vet

theres the uhh

iron will

and multiple other perks to regen toughness

if u got a lot of toughness its hard for enemies to get it low

90% of the time i get health damage its because of bursters or fire etc

[austere mica]

toughness maxxing is very good on vet

[drowsy perch]

also true

[tidal fox]

I swap it off for other keystones and go more risky

For the support build

For my other executioner stance build I defo take that

[austere mica]

What are you taking that requires dropping iron will

[tidal fox]

I just play risky

Thats why I drop it for other stuff

[austere mica]

Theres a difference between playing risky and playing dumb

Taking survivability options also enables you to play risky

[latent star]

Iron Will is one of the best defensive talents in the game, I don't think there is any reason to skip it basically ever.

[austere mica]

The tankiest builds can do the dumbest riskiest stuff

[latent star]

The way bleed through works makes the top part of your toughness bar more valuable and letting you regen that easier makes Vet very toughness tanky

[drowsy perch]

i overspecialize and have like 7 different classes but they all have iron will

[tidal fox]

I personally dont find it that crazy

But i can give it a try and see

[drowsy perch]

its really only good if you get high toughness

[tidal fox]

Since I've tried both iron will and non iron will

[drowsy perch]

if u have less than like 100-120 it doesnt do much

[tidal fox]

Yeah i dont

[drowsy perch]

technically can stop like, an extra hit

[austere mica]

How do you even do that on vet

[drowsy perch]

no toughness perks or curios

base is around there i think

[tidal fox]

Yeah i run all stam

I be freaky like that

[drowsy perch]

is the + stamina curios even good

the perks i like

but the full blessing seems

not that good

[tidal fox]

Only if youre trying to be a clutch bot

And have carry potential for public matches

Aside from that nah

Well actually there is a little bit of use

On like 1 curio if youre trying to be more mobile

[austere mica]

Anything more than 1 stam curio is pretty redundant

Can be fun though

[tall torrent]

That’s basically equivalent of trolling

[woeful ibex]

I wanna try Experimenting with Stealth Grenade Spam and Maybe with Bleed. Its mostly geared towards Crowd Control and breathing room for teammates. Is this viable or nah?

[austere mica]

Don't take all weapon spec subnodes

You only need always prepared

Move them to Skirmisher and Exploit Weakness, then drop Onslaught for Tactical Awareness

[woeful ibex]

alright, thanks

[austere mica]

Also swap the red node for Reciprocity

And take lethal proximity on bolt pistol

Why are you doing a grenade build without it

[woeful ibex]

Mostly trying something new?

[austere mica]

And oh gods that knife induced ptsd

[woeful ibex]

(if thats the right word)

[austere mica]

Please for the love of all that is good do not run flesh tearer lacerate

[woeful ibex]

any alts?

[austere mica]

Uncanny over lacerate

Or riposte, but this will gut your bleed damage

[woeful ibex]

hmm, thanks again

[austere mica]

And drop unarmored for carapace and flak for unyielding

[woeful ibex]

sure

[austere mica]

I'm also kinda afraid to ask but id like to see your top tree

[woeful ibex]

sure thing, pls wait

I do admit its super cursed

[austere mica]

Yeah

[woeful ibex]

I was just experimenting builds

[austere mica]

Uh huh

Why are you taking tac reload on a weapon spec build, just curious

[woeful ibex]

Mostly because I prefer faster reloads, on instinct I switch to range weapons for taking out elites

[austere mica]

Yeah weapon spec does that already

[woeful ibex]

plus uh scared when reload is not fast enough

[woeful ibex]

any alts?

[austere mica]

Hold on I'm just doing the whole tree at this point, should do the same thing better

[woeful ibex]

alright

[austere mica]

Pretend you can see the top and bottom

[woeful ibex]

its fine and interesting

thanks

[austere mica]

I have no idea if this is going to meet bistol breakpoints btw

It should with lethal prox + puncture

[woeful ibex]

Its fine and again, just experimenting.

Wanna do weird builds on the top of my head out of curiosity

[austere mica]

Should take maniac over carapace just in case, bolt pistol breakpoints are really tight

[woeful ibex]

so I will be punished if its stupid

[drowsy perch]

honestly i thought this would be weak in havoc but its still surprisingly reliable

not for bosses or ogryns or muties tho

its very very weak for that

but a good ol assault chainsword or krak fixes that issue

[fluid rune]

it is cursed alright. At least always take superiority complex. Base damage is very strong in this game.

[woeful ibex]

Don't worry pal testing soon

Right after finishing stuff irl

🤣

[fluid rune]

by all means try out the less used talents.

[fluid rune]

finally looked at your weapons.
After you tinker with your tree since you want to focus more on the nade aspect.
Id recommend getting uncanny on your knife and Lethal prox>Surgical for Bolt pistol.
The blast radius from the bolt pistol affects your nades even when its not out.

Shout would give more breathing room but if you wanna stealth. You would definitely be the Resser.

[unreal nova]

Never put cara on bistol lul. Pointless tbh. You use it to kill specials and certain elites usually. Snd you can just shoot plasmas in the body with 2-3 shots anyway.

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide, I have smth specifically for this purpose

[woeful ibex]

really?

[tall torrent]

yea.

[woeful ibex]

thanks

[tall torrent]

u should just read the guide in general

[woeful ibex]

sure thing

[south river]

Can you record it as an audiobook??

[empty heart]

is this build still fine?

https://youtu.be/RFnHMiFIIQM

[south river]

for fun or for Havoc?

[drowsy perch]

i run crit revolver crit build and its pretty good

[woeful ibex]

which one

[drowsy perch]

ammo is a bit of an issue

[woeful ibex]

Havoc or just normal matches

[empty heart]

I mean early havoc

[woeful ibex]

(Dont go maelstorm)

[empty heart]

why not

ammo problems?

[drowsy perch]

yea mainly

u can kill 7 elites/specials and then a lengthy reload even with perks

it can be really strong if your team keeps you mostly clear

but with more specials the ammo runs low fast

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[grand perch]

I will get David Attenborough right on that

[fluid rune]

Or Morgan Freeman. Nah Samuel L Jackson LOL

[noble epoch]

Nah Jonathon Keeble

Da goat

[woeful ibex]

@austere mica @tall torrent @fluid rune after several games the crowd control works and breathing room but goddamn when ragers, maulers and crushers spawn I get deleted

But it did help teammates Prio elites

thanks for the help and recommendations

[fluid rune]

activate stealth and drop a frag. or just a frag as it staggers them

[woeful ibex]

Yup

[slender elm]

are you on havoc?

[woeful ibex]

never

Aurics

Experimental builds out of curiosity are always aurics

[slender elm]

i didnt even see what your build is but ok

oh

i see

classic lmao grenades from stealth

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee weapon that kills them fast

[woeful ibex]

yeah

gonna change it

[slender elm]

plenty of choices

i like chain axe but that thing is horrible at horde clear

[timber ivy]

Can someone tell me what ranged finesse in Marksmans Focus actually does?

Like I get that finesse normally affects weapon speed and crit but I'm more so wondering about how the percentages work.

Like is the flat 7.5% per stack just applied linearly onto stuff like speed/crit damage/crit chance?

Or is this some convoluted RPG thing where it gets plugged into like a 30 variable formula and like 75% finesse at max stacks only tallies out to being like a 3% benefit to the values it claims to govern?

[turbid ibex]

finesse is weakspot/crit damage

[timber ivy]

Huh, no speed then.

[turbid ibex]

yes

[timber ivy]

Does it affect the numbers directly. Like 75% finesse = 75% more weakspot / crit damage?

No plugging it into a long formula?

I'm a little brain rotted by MMOs and RPGs where every number the game feeds you gets abstracted through hidden formulas or acted on by other variables.

[distant plaza]

The easiest thing to do is probably go into the psykanium and test headshotting things with stacks to see if it’s acceptable breakpoints to you

[timber ivy]

I mean, I have. It sure seems to be making things die faster when I get stacks. But I am autistically a numbers person and want to know the exact thing these things are doing.

Yes, I am very fun to play Path of Exile with.

[distant plaza]

I’m sure path has the formulas in their guide

But numbers aren’t functional in game performance either

[timber ivy]

True but like, I just wanna know man.

[distant plaza]

Ngl I haven’t played MMF since I finished the penance
So I can’t tell you from experience how well it performs

[distant plaza]

So check the guide if the formula is there

I’m like, 90% sure it is

[timber ivy]

That the steam guide that's pinned?

[distant plaza]

Yes

[timber ivy]

I shall see, did not know that was there tbh.

Wow this has like...every number thing I'd ever wondered about...I should've probably checked steam guides before google which just kept giving me reddit pages of speculation.

[turbid ibex]

check pinned guide

[atomic onyx]

I'm fiddling around with weapons, since I feel like T-axe is not for me, I really struggle on horde clear with it, even with the enchantments, which melee weapons would you guys recommend with horde clear as priority?

[ember halo]

If you’re playing vet, I’d suggest power sword. It is great for mixed hordes!

[atomic onyx]

Yeah, I was initially thinking about either that or Chainsword, I'm trying to cook up some build that would fit me (with exec stance) and while i liked the sniper build from guide, the T-axe just feels lacking. The extra attack is great and all, but i keep getting swarmed by regular dudes, and that cleave one the axe just aint it

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is chosen specifically for that purpose

BM horde clear

[atomic onyx]

Maybe i'm just a dumbass, but i have no idea how to do that. Maybe the Chainsword/Powersword gameplay routine of heavy attack + dodge made me lazy

[tall torrent]

What attacks are u using for horde clear

[mystic glade]

auto pistol psword still goated

[atomic onyx]

Either Heavy chained into light for 2x sweep attack, or shove into shove-attack into heavy

But i keep catching myself doing 2x heavy, since that's what power sword/chainsword taught me

At least on mark 7

[tall torrent]

I don’t get how ur struggling with horde clear then

[atomic onyx]

this mostly

[tall torrent]

Why heavy twice for power sword

[turbid ibex]

power sword doesnt use heavies

[atomic onyx]

damn, but that energized sweep is just so good for clearing lots of trash

[turbid ibex]

so are energized lights

and way faster

[tall torrent]

U can just do energized light x3

[atomic onyx]

Maybe i should just run taxe mk2 because it has 2 wide arcs on heavies, something that im more used to

But everything seems to shout to use mk7 for some reason

[tall torrent]

VII is the best one because it has the most versatile moveset of the 3, and all of its light atks have x110% str lvl

[hollow ibex]

is there even any reason to use the II besides easier moveset?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982229685675102228/1275433773647007846/IMG_6351.gif

[turbid ibex]

Yum

[wild vortex]

Did you try push attacking into heavy

Oh nvm you did

I think it's just a muscle memory thing

[hollow warren]

Literally unplayable. This is driving me mad every time I see it.

[empty heart]

this bleed any good

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0810801-0244-4ee8-848e-6227d8795539/cutthroat-cadian-rend-bleed-grenade-veteran

[tall torrent]

This is abysmal

[empty heart]

what about
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e435012-8856-4f69-a88c-3ff9c7703aeb/big-doms-bloodletter-havoc-40-grenade-chainaxe

both grenade build

[hollow ibex]

If it’s a public GL build the default assumption is that it’s shit

Esp from a grifttuber

Let’s see…

[empty heart]

who is a griftubrr

[distant plaza]

all of them

[hollow ibex]

Not shit but not good either.

[distant plaza]

[tall torrent]

Much better than before, u could try
Also check pinned guide for bomber build

[tough nova]

Feels weird to invest in grenades that much without uncanny strike

[tame lodge]

Bloodletter Opportunist 🥀
Instead of the superior
Bloodletter Thunderous

Also damn

Both builds without Precision Strikes

Tf is wrong with those people

[turbid ibex]

gameslantern

[empty heart]

that's two extra nodes. what can ne removed

[tame lodge]

Two extra nodes well spent

[empty heart]

ya what can we take out

[wild vortex]

What the actual comical fuck is this

[turbid ibex]

abysmal dogshit

[empty heart]

idk fresh off the mill

[wild vortex]

Put it back inside and grind it to powder

And scatter it to the four winds

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe finesse is not that high
Boltpistol can’t 1 tap well with/without precision strikes

It’s understandable

[empty heart]

also is poe 2 any good?

[torpid grotto]

Get confirmed kill and change out onslaught and on your toes for the auto reload and something else and it’s fine

[empty heart]

played poe for 800 hours. so I don't know much

[wild vortex]

Uhhh.. kind of? Yes?

It's a bit of a mixed bag

[tame lodge]

And yet they decided to drop it instead of picking it up

[torpid grotto]

A lot of stuff still missing but what’s there is very solid

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-not-cinema-absolute-trash-gif-7423120492282805998

[sly orchid]

its very much an early access

[wild vortex]

I think if you're not a PoE1 minmaxxer you will be much more likely to enjoy poo2 but there's no doubt that it needs a lot of work still

[sly orchid]

and they waste too much time on rebalancing or tweaking endgame

when the devtime should be used for the 1.0 release

[wild vortex]

Their decision process w.r.t. its handling is idiotic

[empty heart]

im not minmaxxer I have a family

[wild vortex]

They're not treating it as early access where you keep tweaking and balancing stuff every couple weeks, but they're treating it like a full release with league based balancing, but then deliberately ignoring stuff saying its early access, it'll get fixed eventually

Bitch, make up your mind

[wild vortex]

Then I think PoE2 is better for you

[torpid grotto]

They only do skill tweaks on major patches now because people freaked out

[wild vortex]

Its entry level and casual play is more accessible

[wild vortex]

This is a gross misrepresentation that they successfully pulled off

People were not pissed off at the nerf

They were pissed off at the inability to respec

Their characters went useless overnight and there was literally NO WAY to respec or re gear

[empty heart]

poe 1 when I stopped playing was clusterfuck with insane amount of mechanics that's impossible to keep up unless you are a streamer

[torpid grotto]

Can’t you just spend gold

[wild vortex]

When this happened, gold respec costs were in the hundreds of thousands and income was lower and crafting was utterly dogshit

This was early 0.1

Respec was a complete fucking nightmare

[empty heart]

respec should be fkn free

[torpid grotto]

Pretty cheap now

[wild vortex]

Yeah that whole fiasco made them rethink it

But the claim that oh we can't mid league nerf people don't like it is a straight misunderstanding from that incident

[torpid grotto]

I wouldn’t say so

[wild vortex]

I suppose it gave them an easy way to weasel out, given they're already going insane trying to run 2 games

[torpid grotto]

I feel bad for the devs lol

Must be a nightmare

[sly orchid]

make respecs free

[wild vortex]

I don't. For multiple reasons. But I've been playing the game for too many years so my perspective is different.

[worldly rivet]

is there a good vet build to aim for A.S.S title? or just skill issue

[wild vortex]

Skill and a bit of luck I'd say

Sometimes you join in with half a wound left in the middle of 8 crushers and a flamer unloading on you

[worldly rivet]

"dont get unloaded on", i'll write that down

[tough nova]

Skill issue.

But it shouldn't take too long to get as long as you keep trying you'll probably get it by accident. Focus on getting better and you'll get the title.

And watch better players while you are having a lay.

[fast shale]

So if I don't use some form of uncanny strike while using frag nades I'm missing out a lot of dmg?

[worldly rivet]

any recommendations? havent looked into content creators at all yet

my best streak was 3 during a good modifier and map combo but in the 4th one my team went full ape XD

[tough nova]

I mean watch others when you're dead in game

[worldly rivet]

ah yeah, always do that

and helped alot so far

primarely catching myself forgetting that block exists

[tough nova]

https://youtu.be/7uPn67k_xzM?si=PUg3xSR58afAPc8F

This is a recent series that highlights a lot of interactions and mechanics you might not know. There's also great guides pinned for some classes and there are steamguides by kuli that are effectively gospel.

[tame lodge]

Check Pinned Guide
Slayer or Bomber build

[wild vortex]

I too am attempting to git gud and get ASS

If you want we could try to duo sometime

[tough nova]

I can help later

[worldly rivet]

sure am down, just shouldnt stack vet probs XD

[narrow frost]

Why not?

[wild vortex]

ya I can play whatever else, except Smellot

[worldly rivet]

vet or zeal here

[wild vortex]

I will be online in ~8 hrs perhaps, idk what your timings are

[slow sky]

I like how theres so much in this game to learn, that ive literally taught this guy how some things work, then I watch one of these cuz like "hey ik this guy" then I learn something I didnt know

[worldly rivet]

thats 4am

[slow sky]

Like I wasnt aware shotgunners will swap to match melee or ranged when theyre locked onto you in melee range

[wild vortex]

I'm so sorry

[tall torrent]

What build are u using

[tall torrent]

Wait wot

U didn’t know?

[slow sky]

Do you think I ever have my gun out next to a shotgunner on any class whatsoever

I play melee builds
And if im using a gun build the shotgunner is dead before they ever get close enough for that to happen

[narrow frost]

Did you see the captain agro?

In Kuli guide

Similar to shotgunners

You can force them to swap by holding your ranged weapon and staying a few meters away

[tall torrent]

ig u just never noticed then

[slow sky]

Never really in a position to notice

[worldly rivet]

was using a recon lasgun build with VoC

now using bomber from pins

[slow sky]

Plus its more ideal to have them in melee anyway

[tall torrent]

with revolver it's pretty easy to bait them into using melee but not actually in melee distance with u

kinda noticeable that way

ig not with DB

[tall torrent]

are u struggling with staying alive in general or are u getting fked over by bs

[worldly rivet]

when shit hit the fan then the team was usually fully spread out 🤔 staying alive in general, especially with the ranged build, was quite comfy

when team plays slow and steady without rushing then it felt super nice in all aspects, the issue is the teams that just rush through everything with high risk

[tame lodge]

Shotgunners are my personal nemesis because I played a lot of EK/Voidstrike builds
So they would just synchronized racking blam

[tall torrent]

the deserved fate of all psyker players

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-ishowspeed-gif-7297322352901128995

[tame lodge]

I should've just dodged

I like playing assassination mission because a shotgunner pack spawns to aid the captain

My personal nemesis we meet again ahh sentence

[fluid shadow]

whats combat shotgun best blessing?

[tough nova]

Prolly full bore

For agri anyhoo

[tame lodge]

Full Bore No Respite
Manstopper + Flechette/Scattershot

[fluid shadow]

okok thx

[frail escarp]

hmm man idk

maybe

[tall torrent]

depends on the variant

[fluid shadow]

oh? which mark is used the most then?

[hollow ibex]

Agri followed by Zarona

Agri>Zarona>>>>>>>>Assatran

[tall torrent]

best is VII
VI has some use cases
IX unfortunately ass

but combat shotguns are overall in a mid tier spot

they have really harsh ADM falloff over range (even for the most accurate one being VII)

and have subpar 1 shot headshot consistency on gunners & flamers (especially flamers since their tanks take x20% ranged damage)

[sly orchid]

kantrael is good because it has an incendiary special shell

which you can use ontop of scattershot flechette

[faint beacon]

Kantrael is solid strictly if you’re using it up close but like Agri overall is king

Also on sight, I see Mina

[hollow ibex]

Sorry but Assatran is mostly a meme

[lunar maple]

A lot of ppl like the shotgun with the slug shot

Cuz you can shoot it like a rifle

Get them headshots on elites from far as heck

[orchid hemlock]

Which mark?

Oh nvm you got your answers 😔

[distant plaza]

clicks link
gameslantern pops open

[wild vortex]

"daring loadouts" is certainly one way to put it

[lean rune]

i havent seen these sort of Mks before, is there a difference or its a skin? the stats seem the same, but i thought i remember people saying some Mks of melee weapons are better or something

oh i cant attach images

but yeah, do the different Marks of weapons change things?

[wild vortex]

yes

[distant plaza]

"unique playstyles"

[wild vortex]

for melee: different attack patterns, attack values, special attacks, etc.
for ranged: different rates of fire, damage per shot
can also change stats (like one variant may have cleave while another has finesse)

[lean rune]

i see, i cant seem to find any difference between thge marks of the laser helbore rifle, but its very possible im blind (as i usually am)

[lyric path]

is the cutthroat veteran even friends with anyone?

[hollow ibex]

Here

Also you can get details in the pins

[lean rune]

oh, thanks!

what is alpha strike? or adm? i couldnt find it from a quick search

[tidal fox]

so mark V would be better for an executioner stance build?

[lyric path]

Guess I’ll never know lol

[wild vortex]

It's quite good if you reliably click heads

[tidal fox]

hell nah his personality is doomed to die heroically in battle

he is beyond saving

[hollow ibex]

ADM is explained in the pins. Alpha strike is just the damage per shot

[hollow ibex]

It’s all up to you tbh tho I like MkV

[lean rune]

ahhh sorry, i got a bit lost, didnt realise it was the steam community link, i just glossed over it

[tidal fox]

I run it as well mostly for the charge times

I can hit headshots pretty easily so I dont think it really matters what mark I choose since they all hit the breakpoints for me

[slow sky]

Armor damage modifier
Every attack has an adm for all armor types, a sword swing might have an adm of 1 against unarmored and .75 against flak
If the attack deals 200 damage, it would deal 200 to unarmored and 150 to flak

Rending is a flat additive number to that, 10% is +0.1 to the adm, up to the adm being 1

Then it becomes 10% = .025

So youd need 25% rending to reach the adm of 1 on that flak armor with that attack, and it only has 1/4th of its value past that

Less important but rending has an innate cap of 100% you wont get any further increase in damage past that, which is distinctly different than an adm of 1

Oh and rending only works on flak carapace unyielding and maniac

And brittleness functions the same way

Woe wall of text

[mental barn]

I am trying to wrap my head around this

[slow sky]

Do you not know what crit strings are?

Or do you want like
A proof for that equation lol

[mental barn]

So recon lasgun has crit string 2 as far as I know

say that crit chance is 10%

so the equation would be crit rate = 2 / (2-1+1/0.10)

ah got it

so 18%-ish

[tall torrent]

(it's not good)

[mental barn]

@tall torrent You have probably spent more time on this guide than I have on my job in the past year

thank you

[tall torrent]

nah it wasn't that much work

[thorny sluice]

eaten

[tulip ivy]

That os very funny

I laugh

[lunar maple]

c:

[drowsy perch]

special attacks are different, charge time, charge damage/speed etc

[still dove]

for a combat engineer WS build would combat or db shotgun be better with the shovel

[slow sky]

Idk what you mean by combat engineer but shovel db ws one of vets best builds

[still dove]

thats what i mean, i figured db is better but would power falc work with your build over shovel

[slow sky]

Any melee thats capable of dealing with anything works, you just lose the bonus of control from the special and uncanny for the bleed

[still dove]

thanks

[swift jolt]

Which mark of the Recon Lasgun would you guys say is best?

[hollow ibex]

VI overall

[slow sky]

Oh it'll also feel bad cuz youll be activating it after every swap

Didnt think about that

[calm shard]

VIc

[steel veldt]

@calm shard nice pfp

Fellow Grove enjoyer

[calm shard]

yeah a friend pressured me into actually getting a proper furry OC and so I made a wolver

[steel veldt]

He looks cute

May I see more?

[calm shard]

not NSFW but he naked, also literally only have his ref sheet because he came into existence about 3 days ago

[steel veldt]

Omg he is adorable

What is that on his spine though?

[calm shard]

the same spine surgery scars I have :)

[steel veldt]

Oh that's cute

Haha

[fleet stream]

was checking here out of curiosity, wasn't expecting this.

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-jumpscare-jumpscare-jumpscare-gif-the-dog-gif-23747153

[turbid ibex]

What the dawg doin

[fleet stream]

https://tenor.com/view/bun-realized-gif-17326504416039329627

[wild vortex]

did today's update screw up crosshairs or something

I feel like even obvious shots are not landing

where I can clearly see it firing for the head but nothing connects

why is solo queue fucking full of stealth zealots man

[tall torrent]

there's an update today?

[wild vortex]

dunno, was just wondering

helbore wasn't hitting randomly

[lunar maple]

They nerfd it

Specifically because of you

And said you smell like cheese

It was surprising

Jk idk

[lyric path]

Fuck fps games would be so much easier if had these for fingers for mnk

[fluid rune]

thats just means APM isnt an issue. Aim would still be

[lyric path]

Good point

[austere wedge]

would it be a silly take to say that smoke nade should obscure mutant charges and dog pounces

like if your team is in the smoke both specials will just go straight through and if u happen to be in their way they get u if not they dont

[lyric path]

Smoke only works against ranged units

[austere wedge]

im saying as a theoretical buff

im aware its an anti ranged only as of right now

[lyric path]

Wouldn’t really matter hounds can stuff sniff ya out even if you’re in smoke

As for mutants I’m not sure

[austere wedge]

dogs can sniff through smoke?

til

[tame granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sapo-gif-15065622896911975780

[narrow frost]

smoke already stops dogs from jumping

[lyric path]

I mean pox hounds are effected by nurgle so I’m sure smoke wouldn’t work

Never mind I retract my previous statement

[austere wedge]

oh

interesting

wait u mean the smoke right

[narrow frost]

"• Smoke cloud effect: 5.5m radius, lasts for 15s; disables HUD nameplates of allies; players inside smoke are considered 'concealed' which alters the line of sight distance requirement of enemies during target selection; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in melee combat, the smoke has no effect on enemy perception; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in ranged combat, then the smoke makes the ranged enemy stop firing and change positions (this includes Sniper; Reaper is less likely to reposition); Gunners and Reaper when they are inside the smoke cloud's area of effect themselves keep firing at a player's last known position; Pox Hounds cannot lock on a player who is inside smoke cloud's area of effect and will keep circling the cloud; Trapper and Flamers need to be closer to players in order to start their shooting action; no effect on Bombers, Mutants, Poxburster"

[austere wedge]

not the start of the nade that causes a tiny stagger

[narrow frost]

yes smoke

[austere wedge]

no effect on mutants 🥀

i mean idk too much about the universe but based on how the mutant looks i assumed they use sight to track us

[lyric path]

I always thought mutants were blind

[austere wedge]

well if u prefer we can assume theyre echo locating us

they ARE always yelling after all

[lyric path]

That would make sense

Also hello @narrow frost

[austere wedge]

i feel like bombers should get baited by smoke if at least one teammate is obscured

cuz they would assume its best to just bomb the smoke area to catch someone out

[slender elm]

Yeah they do nullify a smoke completely

[austere wedge]

i suppose they could just do the csgo thing of clearing smoke with fire

[slender elm]

Eh that idk

[drowsy perch]

my first oc was technically an adopt

i did have ocs before that (my moth is probably my first real oc) but i didnt have art for a long time

[drowsy perch]

i wish smoke extingushed fire

itd make it a lot more useful than just sight blocking

[narrow frost]

yeah

I reload

how can you tell

[austere wedge]

u really want to use a nade to extinguish a fired area?

if it was tox smoke i could def understand

but the fire ones are only really game losing like 30% of the time maybe

tbh regular smoke pushing away/clearing tox smoke would be a really decent buff

[austere wedge]

tell me thats for bolter

[narrow frost]

Agri revolver

[hollow ibex]

i hope you took 15 stacks mmf too

[narrow frost]

they did

yeah

[hollow ibex]

🔥

[narrow frost]

vet moment

[hybrid plover]

this is exactly why i run health on vet

this right here

[tidal fox]

just play better tbh

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1473933532689862760/2C29FD1.MP4?ex=69980312&is=6996b192&hm=b98d04d3e3776d65e48d861845ddcbfc1fc10261312a54ccccf3bbd681a9ab32&

[tall torrent]

this is why I don't believe in the "u just need 5% health for low hp classes" argument

[narrow frost]

Yeah it makes sense

[tidal fox]

does running hp even do anything for vet

doubtful

[maiden wolf]

I mean if you drop down there infront of your team as a backliner what ypu expect hp does not help if you are in a space youre not supposed to be in

[tidal fox]

imo vet is the class that teaches you the most on survival

most difficult as well

[maiden wolf]

No vet is the easiest class after zealot not even close

[tidal fox]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[maiden wolf]

The truth isnt ragebait bro 🥀

[tidal fox]

u ragebaiting

what is the hardest class then

[normal sparrow]

Double burster?

[narrow frost]

Yeah

[maiden wolf]

Ogryn Like its the worst class in thr game you need to be good to survive with him for a long time without being in a useless block not helping anyone

[tidal fox]

ok after ogryn its vet

easily

[maiden wolf]

No then psyker

[tidal fox]

how tf is psyker difficult

[latent star]

psyker used to be difficult :p

[maiden wolf]

Its squishi you are onehit to almost everythink while you need to have high dmg.
How tf is vet difficult?

Toughness regen is creazy

High dmg on every field

Literally smoke grenade

[tidal fox]

he feels squishier than psyker