veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

carapace + unarmored

[mortal horizon]

unarmoured?? oh

important for h40 cleave breakpoints on horde/heads?

[hybrid plover]

that and also for more overkill to transfer with hyperviolence

[mortal horizon]

weird, ok ill try it

def feels weird

weapon is awkward in h40 for me, mobility is ok but not nearly as good as knives

while the numbers may be high

in practice it feels way worse to use

swings pretty slow (even with +6 stamina)

what am i doing wrong?

dmg/breakpoints felt good, but it was harder in practice to get value out of

just skill issue/need practice maybe? too used to playing like i have knives?

[thorn lark]

you don't need rending on heavies

[mortal horizon]

im simply not killing things as easily or quickly as my shiv build, so idk. ill test it more

im just not getting how this is better than all those other meta weapons mentioned lol

it feels mid

im glad to be wrong, and just not like the weapon

[tall torrent]

axe has sprint cancel tech

[mortal horizon]

im aware, just doesnt feel great to use, you mean to make overheads come out faster?
this thing just doesnt feel good idk lol

[tall torrent]

no, for light atks

[mortal horizon]

also im aware you're very knowledgeable, but orcka once argued with me and he didnt know how percents work so

i take some of his advice with a grain of salt even if im aware hes good at the game*

[tall torrent]

it's because og shield doesn't have enough dmg to make use of BM when enemy health pool goes up
and sunder being x4 cleave and cleave through carapace is better vs elites

[mortal horizon]

are you talking about cheesing to animation cancel the l1 over and over?

i see peopel macro that

i refuse to do that

[tall torrent]

no

sprint cancel after L3

this makes u do L1 faster than going from L3 into L1

[mortal horizon]

ah i feel that, thats easy

still tho, i don tthink ill be using this weapon again lol

im def not feeling it

[tall torrent]

yea knife/shiv have ninjaknife dodge template override which is extremely op

I'm of the opinion that all dodge template overrides need to be nerfed

[torpid grotto]

The shiv dodge is so op people will actually accidentally fly off the map with it

[wild vortex]

Too real

[formal hamlet]

Okay I keep meaning to ask and then I forget; how tf do you do the hacking minigame on the mission where there's a tree you have to hold position at? I just leave it to my teammate to handle while I defend because I couldn't figure it out, but I swear I get the impression most of the team never knows how to do it either so we're waiting on that one guy lol.

[narrow frost]

press movement keys to find the white circle

do it 3 times

[formal hamlet]

So just jump between those circles until I land on the white one and that's it?

[narrow frost]

yeah

the white circle doesnt change even if you get stunned off the obj

[formal hamlet]

I see, even simpler than I expected.

[lunar maple]

Yeah just spam try them all fast

[hybrid plover]

me

[mortal horizon]

what do you guys think about this?
is agile needed on axe over headtaker? hows the build in general for revolver maxing?

[tall torrent]

Who made this

[frank basin]

Your guide maker competitor

[mortal horizon]

random youtube video with full h40 gameplay, guy was doing A LOT of dmg with the revolver

seemed fun

was gonna try it

just wondering what others thought

small youtuber "Yobiraion"

[tall torrent]

This is not a great build and he’s lacking a lot of information

[mortal horizon]

how should it be fixed?

to achieve the same idea

[tall torrent]

For one if u take tinkerer off, ur krak can’t 1 tap crushers reliably in h40 anymore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[mortal horizon]

well ya, i never would

i would flex twin blast tho

[tall torrent]

And secondly this build he has is missing ~70% damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[mortal horizon]

where should it be getting it?

what should i change

[mortal horizon]

reciprocity and skirmisher?

[tall torrent]

no

the entire thing, obviously

given it's a revolver

[mortal horizon]

well hes going for marksman focus weakspot boosting rather than the crit on WS

so you're saying the build with exe stance tho would just be better dropping left keystone and going the normal ws stuff?

[tall torrent]

well it's just worse most of the time

[mortal horizon]

ya, fair

i just like trying different things

that may still work

[tall torrent]

u can unironically just play stance

and use the standard template

and do almost the exact same thing

with much better melee

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1444503270138581123/692ADA1.MP4?ex=692d9ac1&is=692c4941&hm=de7008e0db8d6f922144217d96f6c39bad0f080c2ccc9261f070101f6f9b98dc&

[mortal horizon]

some of his breakpoints/multi kills with the revolver crits were impressive tho in the gameplay, and i thought maybe MF was doing some work there

ya true

the hot swapping is great

love it with the double barrel too

how viable is this in blind party h40's would you say? exe/ws revolver?

[tall torrent]

always prepared has a bug with stance
if u have 0 ammo loaded (but WS has 1+ stacks) and use stance to swap to revolver, it'll enter a forced reload even tho it gets 1 ammo from always prepared

[mortal horizon]

i know people want shout, i just want to play fun stuff now, gotta find some solid people who like playing off meta

[tall torrent]

also hand cannon doesn't really matter that much for mk2a revolver

[mortal horizon]

oh thats super annoying, but great info. so just always leave 1 ammo

[tall torrent]

I have dmg values listed for ranged attacks now

u can see that revolver has good ADM across the board

[tall torrent]

stance is abt as good, different purpose

[mortal horizon]

what do you reccomend instead? surgical/hc is what i see most run and just kinda makes most sense tho for easy value

[tall torrent]

point blank + surgical

[mortal horizon]

is double crit blessing really worth it when you have WS?

i guess it just makes those only get a couple kills and hotswap moments crit more reliably

when you dont hit the 100% proc?

[tall torrent]

on a gun that's all about crit, yea

[mortal horizon]

ill try it out ty

seems fun with ps

but i HATE ps dodges

but the revolver has good ones so

[tall torrent]

revolver's issue is ammo

[mortal horizon]

ya, always is

[tall torrent]

it's basically perfect in every other metric

[mortal horizon]

i kinda wish they would buff its reserves 20% or something

[tall torrent]

has the best breakpoints

[mortal horizon]

but i guess it should have a downside

i just hate the limitation of ammo in h40

i wish more ammo heavy guns/buidls were more viable

but i also recognize that ='s power creep bc guns tend to have more power on average than melee

idk the answer to solve it

now that rotten armor is gone tho, i dont feel the 'carapace makes everything unviable' thing as much

you can def get away with less good carapce weapons as long as you have some way to boost them. like onslaught or something i find

or a player with skullcrusher etc

i was doing pretty good with heavy sword earlier and frags, bleeding everything and then stacking onslaught on armor units with the recon las as discussed earlier

was still fragging armored elites with that heavy sword special spam block cancel

so like this, but same top side fine?

could drop the ogryn dmg

[tall torrent]

why no agile engagement

[mortal horizon]

true

what do i drop?

i know its very good

bring it down is 20%, and more specific, so drop that?

[tall torrent]

ammo

lol

[mortal horizon]

but its weakness is ammo

i need to shoot!

haha

but ya

sad, i really want that 25% ammo

but those are alot of big dmg numbers i have to drop for it

[faint beacon]

What grenade are you running

[mortal horizon]

kinda depends but usually kraks

i do use frags too

[faint beacon]

Honestly with how much damage I upkeep from Skirm + Exploit I tend to pass on the Tinkerer node even though I know its good

that would honestly be the only way you could grab the 25% Ammo

if you REALLY want it

[mortal horizon]

ya

if i run frags i often drop that node

but not with kraks

man pus hardened skin i feel like is NOT a good modifier roll for this build LOL

does the revolver do ok plunching through it, or nah

[keen wharf]

i dont even know what my squadmates were even doing this mission besides the Ogryn almost sending me off the map via a barrel for no reason at all.

[wild vortex]

I feel like what gets my teammates killed the most often in maelstroms, and myself too sometimes, is not being cautious enough when reading the situation

or not retreating / repositioning because of lack of said caution

[slender elm]

Me running into crusher squads and turning into a pancake

[tall torrent]

without tinkerer, it's just not enough, unless u also have focus target

[faint beacon]

Direct counter to Veteran's existence

but its not as bad as it could be thankfully

[tall torrent]

pus messes with every gun equally, at least u have good melee dmg

[faint beacon]

Pus Hardened + Tolls Reaper on its way to gun you down at a distance

[woeful field]

Nonody told me the default inf lasgun slapped so hard

My aim is trash and im often missing ez shots but it still slaps

[formal hamlet]

The one with the red dot sight?

[woeful field]

Yeah

[formal hamlet]

That thing is a piece of shit. Glad someone likes it though.

[narrow frost]

I've recently started enjoying it a lot more

Feels very rewarding in havoc

[woeful field]

The random sway is annoying, but other than that im having fun

[narrow frost]

Use exstance and tis way more manageable

[formal hamlet]

The higher the difficulty the less useful I tend to find it. Takes more shots than I'd like to deal with the targets I need dealt with.

[narrow frost]

But yeah, the visual sway should be toned down

But I think it's a problem like the bolters here they don't know how to fix

[woeful field]

Especially since its a long range gun

I also wish I could put a long range optic on it since the hipfire is so sauce anyway

[dry cloak]

For the optic parts. Weapon customization mod exists

[woeful field]

Ill get that when my pc arrives

[wild vortex]

That mod is so ultra buggy

It's insane

[hybrid pulsar]

Hey how do you guys use the double shot gun

And smoke grenade

[dry cloak]

Yeah dt does not like mods

[wild vortex]

Manstopper + fletchette personally

[hybrid pulsar]

Yeah I saw that online the build too

[wild vortex]

WS spec basically guarantees the crit on swap and turns the gun into one of the best anti mixed horde tools in the game

[hybrid pulsar]

So do I just double shot into the horde?

[wild vortex]

Horde / elites / specials whatever really

As long as you try to keep Agile Engagement up

The only thing it won't do good against is shooting into a carapace wall

But that's what your melee and grenades are for

[hybrid pulsar]

Crusher wall

[hybrid pulsar]

I tried using smoke tbh

[wild vortex]

Smoke is pocket Psyker bubble

[hybrid pulsar]

I’m trying to use smoke

[wild vortex]

Turns off specials and shooters

[hybrid pulsar]

Feels like it yeah

Do I throw it on them or on my team ?

Never mind

[wild vortex]

Check pins but mostly self

Path explains it in detail in the guide

I recently heard the lore of the siege of Vraks and I'm even happier with my Krieg outfit purchase for Vet

What a bunch of insane hardasses

[tall torrent]

most mods are ok, some are just mega unstable

[elder storm]

Mods are ok, but som mods are less cringe than others

Drip mod

BASED

True level

Cringe

[midnight galleon]

what would you yall say is the best ranged for the stack keystone

getting kills from ranged weakspots

because 2500 kills at 10 stacks is a lot of headshots lol

[stable socket]

for the penance? i think power sword

IIRC you don't need ranged kills, just kills at 10+ stacks

[midnight galleon]

it has to be rang- hmn.

[stable socket]

so get 10 stacks with your ranged and then kill with melee, and melee weakspot hits should refresh the stacks

[midnight galleon]

ooooh

thats smart

I was just focusing ranged...

[stable socket]

actually in auric or below, rashad combat axe might be better

cuz if you run brutal momentum + headtaker and flak + unarmored it can hit oneshot headshot on all trash without needing to do special every 3 hits, and you're basically guaranteed 4 kills per swing

[midnight galleon]

yeah this is my last vet penance

[lyric path]

question would tact reload be good with the stub revolver?

[dry cloak]

best on shotguns imo

on zarona sure

and vet can do funny

and have 7 shots in

[hexed arch]

where she goin

[winged warren]

I tried space marine 2 again and somehow darktide has a better power fantasy than sm2

[midnight galleon]

Have you tried the survival mode

at late waves it feels really rewarding

[winged warren]

nah

i did for a while only

oh wait this isnt' zealot chat

[midnight galleon]

LUL

[formal hamlet]

Recoded my latest auric run with randoms. Kinda curious, are there any glaring things I'm not doing that I should be? I don't really know what I should be thinking about or practising so I'm better prepared to hold my own in missions. I recently learned I can strafe slide, not just sprint slide, so I'm going to try and make that muscle memory so I can maybe dodge and charge my psword at the same time or something. But besides that, no clue.

Excuse the low image quality, hard to fit a run below 500MB without some sacrifices.

Wait, wrong clip though.

Okay, this is the run I need feedback on.

[unreal nova]

Or just drop to like malice mortis and recon/vraks (gamble for crit no ammo use) and farm wave 3 and 6.

Wave 3 is usually 99% chaff, wave 6 can be chaff+flak chaff if you get lucky.

If wave 6, try to keep wave 3 refills closed so bots don't insta grab the ammo.

Only pop them if you are in red.

[midnight galleon]

yep, I realized the infantry autogun is really great for that

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's the 'precision' automatic. Lul.

[midnight galleon]

for sure, I just mean it can kill a lot of things really quick

So if you have 10 stacks you can get a lot while its up

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

[formal hamlet]

How's this for a knife/revolver build? My old one got reset so I kinda had to wing the talent tree with the template from Path's guide as a baseline. Something I wanted to run for auric to mix things up. Bought frags since I feel like horde clear is my biggest weakness on this. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f338552-171f-4831-b584-bc8fe508c04d/veteran-combat-knife

[distant plaza]

what's the source of bleed? ogryns, zealots, shredders and other vets?

[wild vortex]

remind me to never, EVER play a Clandestinium Gloriana maelstrom ever again

[formal hamlet]

I don't think I have one. I think I did before the build got reset, but IIRC you could either go down the bleed route or non-bleed route, so I thought this time I'd try going non-bleed.

[pearl oasis]

Seems strange to me that the Heavy Las Pistols dump stat (according to the guide thing) is Stability

[hybrid pulsar]

hey guys

[pearl oasis]

wouldn't you want more stability for easier reliability of headshots?

[hybrid pulsar]

a question whats the issue with power falconier

i never see builds that value it

[formal hamlet]

May be the case that with or without stability, it doesn't feel particularly more stable. Often times the dump stat is chosen based on being the stat that has the least impact when it's dumped.

[pearl oasis]

fair enough

[formal hamlet]

I think the issue overall is low base numbers. It tries to be that uh...force sword or whatever from Zealot, but its base damage numbers are relatively anaemic.

[hybrid pulsar]

i never looked at that

maybe a factor is its compared to zealts sword

[formal hamlet]

I don't think it's a bad melee weapon, it's just that it does nothing particularly better than the current strong options.

Nah the comparison is more to Veteran's other melee options.

But the mechanic it uses is basically the same as the Zealot sword.

[shadow tendon]

What are some good shock maul blessings against hordes?

[dreamy spade]

I wouldn't recommend shock maul against hordes in the first place

[shadow tendon]

So someone lied to me shit

I can always go back to my devil claw

[formal hamlet]

Probably better than devil claw though.

[dreamy spade]

Devil claw isn't good at horde clear either lol

[shadow tendon]

im clearin hordes with it but if something can do it better i dont mind listening

And i hope it wont be missinformation this time

[distant plaza]

shovel baby yeah

[dreamy spade]

Power sword is the best horde clear melee weapon

[pearl oasis]

the funny guide thing in pin, when talking about the Power Sword says that the dump stat is Cleave Damage? would it not be mobility as with most* melee weapons?

[turbid ibex]

Also the best mixed horde clear

[dreamy spade]

Cleave targets not damage

[turbid ibex]

Also the best everything clear weapon

[pearl oasis]

again, why would it not be mobil?

[shadow tendon]

The one that can be charged onced? Like once per hit?

[turbid ibex]

Cleave targets barely makes a difference

[turbid ibex]

Power cycler blessings makes it 3 hits

[pearl oasis]

ahh ok

neato

[dreamy spade]

Sunder basically gives you infinite cleave

Just give me power sword on zealot

[shadow tendon]

?

[formal hamlet]

Hardly a difference in cleave with it maxed or minimised, where as power sword is already not a very agile weapon so not dumping on mobility helps alleviate that a little.

[formal hamlet]

Yes, but with a blessing it can do 3 strikes per charge, and that's all you'll need.

[shadow tendon]

Ok that is real good

I just got a 60% cleave power sword

Nvm its not cleave damage like someone mentioned here

Idk if i should go for 60 mobility or dmg

Cleave dmg

[formal hamlet]

You want 60% on Cleave Targets.

[distant plaza]

...dump cleave targets

[formal hamlet]

Not the same as Cleave Damage.

[pearl oasis]

Cleave Targets is dump

I misread it

I applegise

[shadow tendon]

So i hit a jackpot first try or shit?

[turbid ibex]

🍎 gise

[formal hamlet]

If that's the roll you got then yeah, you saved yourself a bit of money or time.

[shadow tendon]

Well i might need to try real casino if this level of luck

[formal hamlet]

It's not that uncommon.

This isn't like the old system where getting god rolls was a pain.

But it's still lucky.

[shadow tendon]

So which blessings i should pick

[formal hamlet]

Well you'll want Power Cycler and Sunder I think.

[shadow tendon]

Shit my game is in polish

[formal hamlet]

Unyielding and Carapace for perks.

[shadow tendon]

I have a double barrel shotgun for those

And krak grenades

[turbid ibex]

Nah you just depleted all your luck with this

[formal hamlet]

Doesn't matter, grab'em anyway.

[shadow tendon]

I need to get some levels with it now damn

I blame psykers for it

There are 2 versions of this sword which one is the better one for hordes

[formal hamlet]

Mark VI.

[shadow tendon]

Ofc its the one i need to have level 7 to use it

What are yall thoughts on double barrel shotgun

I love it

[formal hamlet]

Can be fun with melee focussed builds using weapon specialist to reload passively.

[hollow ibex]

Love it

[dreamy spade]

I just found out that flechette procs melee specialist

Even though they die from bleed not ranged

[shadow tendon]

I tried out the power sword

This shit is gas

I want to keep it

[dreamy spade]

It has annoying single target and shit movement but apart from that it's great

[shadow tendon]

I dont remember having a single target in a combo

Im still using mkIII cuz level

[dreamy spade]

On Mk6 it's push attack, light, light

[shadow tendon]

I always go for heavy attacks

[dreamy spade]

On power sword? No just use lights

[shadow tendon]

Why

[dreamy spade]

Because there's no need, heavies will just get you hit and you will run out of time on your charged

[gaunt helm]

How did you build the double barrel Vet? Tried bringing it in for Havoc but was struggling

[formal hamlet]

Didn't field improv cleanse corruption for me and my allies when a med pack is dropped on the ground?

Because last mission it wasn't cleansing, but I could've sworn other times they do.

[shadow tendon]

If i can sent images here i can show you

I can

Wait a minute

[turbid ibex]

it only cleanses on current wound

if a wound is fully corrupted it wont cleanse it

[formal hamlet]

Ah that's probably why.

[turbid ibex]

thats how every source of corruption cleanse except for healing stimms and medicae stations work

[formal hamlet]

Healing stimms were probably throwing me off, yeah.

[shadow tendon]

Its in polish but you can figure out easliy

If you have questions why this and not that i can answer

[dreamy spade]

Tbh I don't see the reason to take double barrel over combat shotgun

[shadow tendon]

Its fun

[gaunt helm]

My struggle is dealing with carapace in Havoc with the double barrel

[shadow tendon]

Only crushers can be an issue idk the bane of thise dudes with a chain axe but they have normal armor on their chest and back

When i see a crusher i throw a krak grenade and its gone

I also use the cloak ability and i have a skill that increases dmg by 30% from the back

[narrow frost]

Just don't shoot carapace with the double barrel

[turbid ibex]

yeah you have melee and kraks for them

[narrow frost]

I have a few videos of me using double barrel in havoc

[gaunt helm]

Try not to but when the game spam spawns multiple crushers in havoc and I burn through the krak grenades then the most I can do is that or just let the team deal with it

[narrow frost]

Melee weapon

Dance with them

It's good to learn how

[shadow tendon]

Before your grenades explodes theres a huge chance someone from your team will kill most of them

So im not really thinking about it

My main targets are snipers nests of gunners and hordes

[narrow frost]

I suggest smoke grenade

Double barrel can handle snipers

But for gunners smoke grenade works wonders

[shadow tendon]

Nah i just go invisible and go to town on them

When they all line up so i can kill most of them with single shot makes me droll ong

[narrow frost]

Fair

[shadow tendon]

When i see a red laser and everyone is fighting of a horde a switch flicks in my brain i have nothing in my mind but that sniper

Also shields cuz i one shot them in the back

[hollow ibex]

They serve different roles

DB is extremely effective as what it does

You can make combat shotgun do the same thing

But it won’t work anywhere near as well

[dreamy spade]

DB only has an advantage really close range, I don't see this use

[shadow tendon]

You can even clear hordes with it when standing at a correct distance with the blessings i use

Especially when the horde runs thru a tight room

Spam double shot and you will see limbs flying

[hollow ibex]

It can kill specialists at any range

And in cqc to mid range it sweeps hordes like nobody’s business

[dreamy spade]

It can't kill a flamer mid distance on h40

[hollow ibex]

It’ll stagger

And you can kill it then

DB is basically vets purg staff

[shadow tendon]

You can shoot once so it will stagger it get closer and shoot again and flamer is no more

[hollow ibex]

So its not a dedicated elite and specialist deleter

[dreamy spade]

Agri combat shotgun is way better imo

[hollow ibex]

Apples are better than oranges

[dreamy spade]

I'm pairing it with ps so I have no issue with close horde clear

[shadow tendon]

You can be even at medium distance from the horde and still make some good dmg with double hit spam

Especially with that crit and reload blessing

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a10a14bf-baea-4b1f-b43e-b9502f53a47a/rhehe

[hollow ibex]

I mean use whatever you want but DB is objectively a good weapon

[dense belfry]

The knife struggles on veteran, imo. Weapon relies on crits usually, but is carried because of serrated edge.

[hybrid plover]

Have you ever tried to take on a horde of dreg ragers in h40 with a power sword?

That's why people like double barrel

[dreamy spade]

Yeah I can clear them up with manstopper agri too

[hollow ibex]

DB would do a better job

Because some guns do better at some things, and other guns do better at other things

[shadow tendon]

Why is mk VI better then III i dont see the diffrence

(power sword)

[dry cloak]

better light attack pattern

and push attack

[shadow tendon]

I prefer heavy attacks anyway

I will stick to mk III

[tall torrent]

Better single target, safer mixed horde, lower sprint cost, faster activation

It’s better in basically every metric

[narrow frost]

Found this random clip

[shadow tendon]

That heavy attack on mk III is really god

Giod

Good

[tall torrent]

It’s the same atk as VI’s, just diff angle

[hollow ibex]

Mk3 is straight up worse

You only use it for vibes

[tame lodge]

Vibes is all that matters anyways

[silver patrol]

if you are using something for the vibes, it isn't a power sword

[tame lodge]

Have you ever played a 40k dollars tournament with your vibes on the line

[hollow ibex]

I like the cackling sound

[mystic pilot]

the main reason is the massive damage in braced shooting. There's a build that was uh about buffing the shotgun from melee before blasting it

[narrow frost]

What's the damage increase from braced?

[tall torrent]

i hav in guide

[hybrid plover]

Not really tbh

Just the regular fire itself is plenty strong.

[narrow frost]

Mobile moment

[dreamy spade]

But the range

[hybrid plover]

Minimum pellet count

[narrow frost]

But I can see, 2.5 more cleave and 300 more damage

[hybrid plover]

It's not as bad as you think.

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1470498018376814612/306CAC1.MP4?ex=698b8380&is=698a3200&hm=7ea8869301de31431664e2f694a8b020dbc189fed54cb107e6f4c9a5d8c407e7&

[tall torrent]

phone view so aids

[mystic pilot]

wait what

[tall torrent]

refresh page

[shadow tendon]

True

[mystic pilot]

got it. I had it pinned on my browser so.... yeah >.<

[dreamy spade]

Also, unfortunately you cant replenish both barrels with weapon specialist

[hybrid plover]

Why would you need to do that tho

[dreamy spade]

So you never have to reload

[tall torrent]

refresh before u check because I update a lot

[hybrid plover]

You seriously only need one shot to kick things off

[hybrid plover]

You never have to in like, 90% of situations

[hollow ibex]

So it does do extra damage and cleave. Could be good on HIV

Double shot isn’t necessary on vet

[hybrid plover]

Just kill enemies with melee weapon, shoot, rinse, repeat. You don't need both barrels if you're running the right setup for it.

[dreamy spade]

It's not that simple

[hybrid plover]

It quite literally is.

[hollow ibex]

It really is that simple

I use single shots 95 percent of the time in vet DB

[dreamy spade]

In auric? Maybe

[hybrid plover]

Ran it in havoc 40 numerous times. The only time you ever need to brace shot is for mutants

Can someone get that Cole video?

[narrow frost]

My video

[hybrid plover]

Tru

[hollow ibex]

Sorry I don’t play the meme game mode but others do and just main single shots

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/ZG6M01_1SOc?si=IT3zHEe6OYzyQUDq

[hollow ibex]

The 4m damage one?

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/E7kb_pMcubw?si=5Eko5Cm_os4xM5-9

[hollow ibex]

Chad aura

[formal hamlet]

I was trying out DB first time today but single shots were not really one-shotting the targets I needed dead unless up close.

[narrow frost]

What targets

[hollow ibex]

And make sure you’re critting

[formal hamlet]

Gritting?

[hollow ibex]

That too

[formal hamlet]

Not sure how to make sure, but I'm running weapon specialist on it so that adds some crit.

[void dragon]

WS i remember only needs like 3 kills to get a guaranteed crit

[dreamy spade]

It's very unreliable mid to long range, unless you have a trash enemy you can shoot then there's no guarantee of maintaining melee specialist

[hollow ibex]

Do you have manstopper flechette?

[hybrid plover]

Make sure you crit. And make sure you're running manstopper flechettw

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I have both blessings on it.

[void dragon]

bleeding on crit helps to kill long range enemies

[hollow ibex]

It should one shot most enemies on crit in CQC

[void dragon]

but the gun itself isnt that suited for it

[hybrid plover]

I swear, doubting the double barrel is so 2025

[void dragon]

is more of a frontline gun

[narrow frost]

That's why it's perfect with smoke nades

[void dragon]

were ppl that doubted the almighty barrel twins?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah kinda crazy to still see people doubt DB lol

[formal hamlet]

I'm running it with shovel so I bought kraks to deal with carapace.

[void dragon]

Heresy i say

[hybrid plover]

Just say you've never used the damn thing already.

[wild vortex]

All you need to not doubt DB is to play it once with WS

[dreamy spade]

I've tested nearly every weapon with weapons specialist

[hybrid plover]

Tested.

Have you used it?

[wild vortex]

Out of curiosity, can you screenshot your DB and tree

[dreamy spade]

Lmao

[wild vortex]

I'm just trynna understand why your experience is different

[void dragon]

legit it is weird, the gun IS good

[wild vortex]

Not being sarcastic or rude

[formal hamlet]

Build reminded me a lot of the one I had with revolved and knife with WS. Would quick swap to headshot a target and then swap back. I preferred the revolver though as it could one tap targets at basically any range.

[dreamy spade]

I'm not saying it's bad I'm saying it's unreliable for taking priority target out mid-long range in h40, hence why agri shotgun is better

[hybrid plover]

Yeah like seriously we are not trying to be like, sarcastic. Double barrel is bonkers in h40.

[wild vortex]

Ye ole Zarona

[hollow ibex]

“Man this CQC gun with infinite cleave and mass DOT application sure isn’t very good at long range”

Stick with Agri then

[wild vortex]

Do you mean sniper / bomber? Or gunner / reaper?

[void dragon]

the DBarrel is mostly the Veteran equivalent of the flamer, you dont ask the flamer to snipe but you know its goated

[hollow ibex]

It’s like complain purg staff isn’t good at long range

[dreamy spade]

Flamers, running away trappers

[wild vortex]

Yeah it usually can't oneshot flamers at mid to long range

Idk about trappers I almost always kill them close

[dreamy spade]

No because psyker has a solution for long range while using that staff

[wild vortex]

But it hard staggers the flamer

So you just close distance and murder or chuck a nade

[void dragon]

petition for obesefish to make soulfire application with the purgatus slower but make the actual fire stronger to compensate

[dreamy spade]

Stagger doesn't grant melee specialist

[void dragon]

(and probably lower range on the flames)

[wild vortex]

Ok sure but it's really incredibly rare to swap to that gun and not kill something in your frontal vicinity

[void dragon]

specially with the bleeding

[hollow ibex]

Pretty sure you can do this in havoc too

[hybrid plover]

You can.

Ive done it numerous times.

[tall torrent]

I actually still want them to change survivalist into class iconic and only give ammo to vet themselves

so that I can run fireteam for 7.5% more global dmg (actually good)

[narrow frost]

I actually agree

[dreamy spade]

Right side aura:

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[narrow frost]

Been running close and killing too much recently. Should try fire team more

[wild vortex]

What's wrong with unconditional movespeed

[tall torrent]

nothing

[hollow ibex]

Close and kill should be 10 percent for me. 5 percent for the rest of the team 🙂‍↕️

[void dragon]

tbh that would be still goated if the veteran is the designated disabler hunter

[tall torrent]

I don't think vet is the designated specialist sniper

[void dragon]

he CAN be, and in a team at least 2 should have main and off disabler hunters

[narrow frost]

I think people getting pushed into roles is very interesting

Considering the game state of darktide

All class are way too versatile

[dreamy spade]

Vet should be taking out long range unless using smokes, then you can just sit in them

[void dragon]

is more of "we all can do it, but in a given fight you will take care of the disablers while we cover"

[narrow frost]

So a playstyle choice

[tough nova]

Exe stance pushes vet into that role

[hybrid plover]

Man roles are lame!

[narrow frost]

No?

Stance is easily melee vets best ability

[hollow ibex]

ES is unironically a fantastic melee vet ult

[void dragon]

forced roles that you can specialize in or our are boring

[hybrid plover]

Just run in there with some buckshot and a shovel and you're fiiiine

[tough nova]

Didn't say it was bad for melee

[narrow frost]

Stance doesn't push vet into ranged

[tough nova]

Seeing specialists before everyone else is a leg up

[void dragon]

I mean more of priorities on a strike team, who gets the presidential bodyguard treatment

[dreamy spade]

Yeah let's go ranged ogryn in h40

[hollow ibex]

Well it doesn’t push you into a ranged role either

You can play however you want

Its like VOC

A generalist ult

[void dragon]

Hstubber snipegryn with all the nerfs obesefish gives to us: why umie dont believe in ogryn?

[hybrid plover]

Tbf ranged ogryn needs a serious touch up

I don't think that's really a good example of what I'm getting at here.

[void dragon]

ranged guns of the class have drawbacks with no enough power

buff obesefish plz

[hybrid plover]

It is just objectively in a bad place balance wise.

[void dragon]

kill BLO, give us real Gunngryn keystone

[dreamy spade]

Classes do have roles, hence why they are different classes. But yes they have different build archetypes

[wild vortex]

Ogryn in its entirety does IMO

[tall torrent]

nah just right side

[wild vortex]

There are a lot of fuckass nodes on the tree even on left and mid

[void dragon]

nah, meleegryn is holding, but the base power of its guns is quite low for all the issues they have

[dreamy spade]

Cleaver and shield need work

[tall torrent]

it's mostly ok

[wild vortex]

Also Ogryn's dodges, stamina management, and speed are outdated as hell IMO

[void dragon]

in the perk tree ogryn gets the same damage boost for ranged than melee, and that doesnt work when guns need ammo

[wild vortex]

For current Darktide

[wild vortex]

Almost all the weapons need tweaks at the very least if not outright reworks

[void dragon]

dodges are intentionally bad, stamina is ok due big pool and slam to regen it, speed i agree, our weapons sprint is low, base we should be the fastest due high stamina cost

[hybrid plover]

Classes can have any "role", their talents being the dictation of what that role may be.

[tall torrent]

no?

[void dragon]

shield is fine, folding shovels are in more dire need of a rework, cleavers need a small boost

what we need is a Shield and GG mark

[dry cloak]

Shield is not tine

[dreamy spade]

Shield doesn't have light attacks

[dry cloak]

It has literally one attack

[tall torrent]

shield has 3 attacks total

[hybrid plover]

While vet can and traditionally is considered the "specialist sniper", they can also very easily be something else if you desire them to be.

[wild vortex]

If dodges are intentionally bad in a game built around dodging, then there should be enough of a prop up elsewhere. Stamina is NOT ok, Ogryn spends faster and regens slower, which makes no sense

[void dragon]

it has 2 but i get ya, that's why i hope for new marks

[dry cloak]

Fix the thing you have first

[wild vortex]

Cleavers are a complete meme idk what you're on

[narrow frost]

Tried them in havoc 2 nights ago

Was actually very fun

[wild vortex]

Mk4 was great for a time and then they buffed carapace AGAIN

[dreamy spade]

Cleaver Vs rotten crusher

[void dragon]

its supposedly in trade of the damage reduction and high impact we have, but i get ya, the dodge distance for some enemies is annoying (give cleaver 4 dodges as long as umies Obesefish!)

[tough nova]

Shield is great just a shit moveset.

[wild vortex]

Fun sure because they're literally one of only 2 fast melee weapons

[void dragon]

cleavers are nerfed due the hp buffs, but they do work, that doesnt mean they dont need buffs tho

[tame lodge]

Cleaver slander on my tl

[void dragon]

F,shovels however are GARBO

[dreamy spade]

Cleaver needs more reach and a rending blessing

[tall torrent]

no

[void dragon]

nah, just take the shove brittleness, what imo they need is more mobility

let them be the Zooming weapon of ogryn

[tall torrent]

make cleaver a crit weapon

and give og right side swift slaying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[turbid ibex]

whats swift slaying

[dry cloak]

Rending is not a solution

[void dragon]

4 dodges for the cleaver!

[dry cloak]

Its a bandaid

[narrow frost]

Melee attack speed on crit

20%

(from VT)

[tall torrent]

+20% melee atk speed for 6s on landing crit hit

[turbid ibex]

i see

ogryn crits are kinda dogshit though no

[tall torrent]

yea

[void dragon]

The ONLY blessing of Vermintide 2

[tall torrent]

which is why og shud be the only class that can use it

every other class becomes immediately busted with swift slaying

[void dragon]

only our guns kinda benefits from crit

[narrow frost]

Knowing fatshark they'd put it right next to the bottom right for vet

[wild vortex]

Lukewarm take: if Ogryn has no dodge linger and the shittiest dodge speed and distance possible, you should generate toughness on dodge

[tall torrent]

they'd swap onslaught with swift slaying

[narrow frost]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[tough nova]

Zealot only

[narrow frost]

Or duck and dive

[void dragon]

no, give us the Hscum perk that on taking shots we should get toughness

idk why they have it and not us

[wild vortex]

Ogryn design is outdated as hell and any arguments to the contrary are cope and wrong. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[void dragon]

seriously, WHY is this not an ogryn perk?

[tough nova]

There are dated aspects to all the og classes

[stable socket]

give rock headshots instakill override on everything

instantly fixed

[wild vortex]

I challenge you to do a talent by talent, weapon by weapon, blessing by blessing comparison with ANY class and tell me Ogryn isn't the worst off

[tough nova]

I like ogryn identity and playstyles the problem is lack of weapon variety

There will always be a worst class that doesnt mean its bad

[void dragon]

at least kill override on most specials, it would not make it much broken at all

[turbid ibex]

prob because fatshark hadnt thought of it when making ogryn talents

[turbid ibex]

doesnt it already have them?

[void dragon]

not on stuff like flamers iirc

i thing bombers either?

[stable socket]

hitting a tox bomber with a rock and seeing him get up afterwards is one of the worst feelings

[wild vortex]

By that logic, as long as even a single specific setup is the only thing worth playing in high end content (and Ogryn is disturbingly close to that point), it will never be a bad class. I sure hope FS don't think like this and take action before then.

[tame lodge]

Weapon by weapon?
Oof
The Pickaxe will cull like 80% of the melees like that one Incredible scene

[tough nova]

Im not saying things don't need to change just that it isnt doom and gloom

Or relax with the internet hyperbole you aren't getting ad revenue

[void dragon]

Ogryn FNP is usable and good enabler, HH is solid and can box some hard content, but lugger is so abysmaly bad because the base guns are NOT on a good spot (also BLO imo doesnt work to enable the fantasy)

[tame lodge]

Actually I should spend some time and make that a meme

Like damn

It's genius

Why didn't I think of that before

[dreamy spade]

Ogryn tree rework

[void dragon]

imo the option between the 2 perks of taunt is good, either a damage amp for team or a tougness battery with team wide invisibility

[dreamy spade]

Or just nerf the damage and you get both

[tame lodge]

Nah that go again idea is crazy

But then again
Why not

[wild vortex]

Very early-2025 take

[dreamy spade]

Well currently go again favours LMB spam, and doesn't account for staggering ogryns

[tame lodge]

Still true to this day

It ends with Power Sword 6 terminating the pick axe

It's a perfect representation of Darktides melee balance

[wild vortex]

[dense belfry]

Good T-axe blessings to aim for?

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum headtaker shred

[tough nova]

Htaker shred

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a10a14bf-baea-4b1f-b43e-b9502f53a47a/rhehe

I have a few non essential nodes on this build, any suggestions?

[tame lodge]

I personally would recommend not dropping Brutal Momentum because only insane people drops brutal momentum

And I'm insane

But you don't have to be

[tough nova]

Not as mandatory as it is on combat axe

[tame lodge]

No precision Strikes is yikes I can't lie

[dense belfry]

I'm not stupid. 100% guaranteed crits (assuming I can chain kills with them) is something only a lunatic would drop.

[tough nova]

Or most weapons that offer it

[tame lodge]

Boom
Tactical Axe cleave damage distribution cap of 3

[dreamy spade]

How much does it actually do though, ik ps weakspot modifier is good but 30% of that?

[tame lodge]

It's a core talent and synergizes well with Desperado

[tall torrent]

check my guide

[tame lodge]

I'd even go to the extremes and state that any build without it is bad

[tough nova]

Its accessible minimally conditional dmg

Hard to not take it

[tame lodge]

That is always up as well

[dreamy spade]

Does it still work like the perk weakspot?

[tall torrent]

ofc

that's not to say it's not good though

[dreamy spade]

So I calculated it does +30% damage to flak armour for agri shotgun

[shadow tendon]

Whats brutal momentum?

[tame lodge]

A blessing

On weakspot kill it transfers the first target damage

To another 3 targets

So you end up dealing first target damage to 4 targets

[shadow tendon]

Sounds really good what weapons have it?

[wild vortex]

more like target by target up to 4 target cap, followed by regular cleave damage distribution

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe
Tactical Axe
Slab Shield
Ogryn Shovels

Heavy Sword (deathblow)

[turbid ibex]

power sword

[tame lodge]

Ogryn Power Maul

[narrow frost]

Dclaw would have it if it was stagger related

[tame lodge]

True

[dreamy spade]

Putting stagger only blessings on dclaw was a crime

[latent star]

Smoke Grenade with a shotgun is gonna be a bit questionable since you're stuck with your power sword for any carapace armor. Not the end of the world but its worth noting. Get Back In The Fight! is mostly garbage, drop it. Leave No One Behind isn't bad but isn't a good fit for this build, drop it or drop Demo Team (questionable use with smoke nades). Close Quarters Killzone probably not worth the point considering what you're giving up for it (Agile Engagement is right there and probably better).

[shadow tendon]

I have sunder and that power thing in my power sword

[latent star]

Not sure about power sword + shotgun for a WS build generally, neither is super fast and without krak grenades you're going to be in a tough spot pushing forward.

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's one of the pairing

[turbid ibex]

power sword can pretty easily deal with carapace

[latent star]

It can but I'm not sure what the tradeoff is for this build.

[dreamy spade]

Shotgun isn't like plasma where you can pick off everything at range, so smoke is to keep me and my teammates safe from shooters far away

Smokes mess with specialist targeting too which is very useful in h40

[latent star]

I too share some exhaustion with the weapon meta but I'm not sure why you'd do shotgun here instead of a revolver. You don't have One Motion or Agile Engagement and those are both easy pickups for constant weapon swapping, and the power sword is already going to be good at kind-of-awkwardly-killing-gigantic-groups-of-stuff.

[dreamy spade]

Revolver is ass in havoc

[orchid hemlock]

PS is excellent into Cara

[warm gulch]

Is power falcion valid for havoc or am I a chud

[left garden]

say, what's some good weapons to pair with a reconlas? Specifically i feel like I'm lacking in some crowd clear. So what'd be some good vet options for that? I normally play psyker

[midnight totem]

PS is useful on everything, though I do wish it had slightly better dodge or two powered swings base and no getting knocked out of powered state

[latent star]

Yeah, PS is basically amazing against everything but its slow and clunky, that's the drawback.

[wild vortex]

mk1 shovel

unironically

[latent star]

MK1 shovel is great for safe horde clear and general bonking.

[orchid hemlock]

Only downside of PS is dodge distance

That's it

[midnight totem]

Though, if Vet ever gets a power fist

[latent star]

Activation

[midnight totem]

Im swapping to that

[latent star]

Like I know what you're saying but the big drawback is the activation system.

[left garden]

I.... the shovel, really?

Also what about a powersword, since I like the force greatsword. Is it any form of similar?

[midnight totem]

No

[dreamy spade]

Lmao weapon specialist description is wrong, you get stacks from DoT

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Just use my guide lol

[left garden]

damn well good to know it's not simliar then. What's it used for instead then?

[midnight totem]

I think the general consensus is that, power falchion is zealots relic blade, but shittier

[tall torrent]

It plays very differently from force greatsword

[latent star]

Power Sword is incredibly high damage and high cleave but it needs to be "activated" before every use (or every 3 uses with the basically mandatory blessing)

[orchid hemlock]

No it's not, it's instant if you block cancel

[wild vortex]

the shovel is an excellent weapon even with minimal investment. Fast, good attack pattern, has Uncanny, quick special that instantly staggers

[latent star]

So what its used for is basically everything so long as you can tolerate the requirements and speed.

[midnight totem]

Vet's second/third most powerful melee weapon

[orchid hemlock]

And it's a very small drawback given how powerful the weapon is

[tame lodge]

All the melee weapons are havoc valid
But to give you an answer
Eh it's alright, mid tier at best

[warm gulch]

I love it tho and I mean yeah ofc it would be shittier or like vet would be lowk gay bc he would be competing with zealot and would have range superiority

[silver patrol]

the power sword in the corner:

[tame lodge]

It had to be at least Rashad tier
But the overall mid stats and the poor blessing pool of Falchion pretty much kills it

[latent star]

Falchion suffers from asking you to use your blessings for uptime instead of damage and utility, so you invest into having a usable weapon.

[tame lodge]

Honestly the greatest offender about Falchion is the blessing pool

[silver patrol]

bonesaw moment

[midnight totem]

I think the possibility of competing with the zealot is the wrong take. Zealot should always be superior in melee due to his different nodes and inherent stamina advantage even if they use the same wealoms

[orchid hemlock]

What's wrong with being gay?

Wait do people still unironically use "gay" as an insult in 2026?

[midnight totem]

But falchion just needs a lot of investment to make it usable, as the others said, while relic blade is pretty much just plug and play, cant go wrong with any of the blessings

[latent star]

My power falchion is romantically interested in other power falchions of the same mark.

Nothing wrong with that.

[midnight totem]

I just want powerfist

[latent star]

Ogryns gotta get it. I'm sorry I want it too but it needs to go to the Big Man.

[hybrid plover]

Shovel double barrel rlly doesn't need it

But that's like

A severe outlier

In most cases precision strikes is a good bet to take.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[midnight totem]

Ogryns get regular fists, brass knuckles and kicks as a loadout

[hybrid plover]

It legit doesn't do much

[tame lodge]

Ok dawg you can stop right there

[hybrid plover]

Shovel doesn't have the greatest finesse multiplier and double barrel shotgun

I mean

[warm gulch]

Nothing just being dramatic 🫩

[hybrid plover]

You're usually shooting center mass.

[silver patrol]

can't really aim for the head with the double barrel

[midnight totem]

Im stabbing at head level though

[hybrid plover]

It's a very particular case for that one specific build

[tame lodge]

It's the same build that wants to build uncanny strike
Which means you get to hit heads with shovel

But sure

[midnight totem]

Anyway

Power fist fatshatk plz

[tame lodge]

I want it to be a melee weapon only

[hybrid plover]

Yes, this is true. But that doesnt mean the value of hitting heads is the actual damage but moreso the uncanny stacks

Shovel doesn't really need precision strikes for its damage.

[tame lodge]

I don't think Fatshark is capable of doing a good melee-ranged dual wielding weapon

So a melee only power fist would be more fleshed out

[latent star]

IIRC Precision Strikes is around a 10%ish damage buff overall, so its a very good node but there can be reasons to skip it sometimes if you're avoiding the left side of the tree.

[midnight totem]

I'll be okay if using a power fist locked a vet to only revolver, laspistols, bolt pistol, and shredder autopistol

[warm gulch]

Wait ur so right I always forget about all the different nodes and stuff but that brings up the question do you thing if the power falcion was as strong as the relic blade would vet be too strong?

[hybrid plover]

Not exactly. This is the case if the weapon actually has good finesse values

[latent star]

Yeah, its VERY napkin math

[hybrid plover]

Like knife for one, precision strikes is a big deal.

Shovel? Not really.

[tame lodge]

Considering that vet is already too strong
The answer is yes

[orchid hemlock]

Dramatic on your end I suppose

[midnight totem]

Nah, I just think it'd be worth using. Right now power sword pretty much far outstrips falchion. To say nothing of dueling sword which is still pretty damn good on both vet and zealot

[latent star]

Its kind of funny that everyone knows the Dueling Sword is meta and its probably the weapon I see least because everyone seems to be so goddamn sick of it.

[warm gulch]

Vet is a crazy power house rn but what do you think is the main reason he is so strong?

[midnight totem]

Hush you. Vet needs buffs clearly.

[latent star]

VoC.

[dreamy spade]

who needs revolver when you have this

[warm gulch]

Wha?

[silver patrol]

me

[latent star]

Whether vet is strong or not also kind of depends on whether current psyker is the new baseline or not.

[tame lodge]

It's a plethora of bonuses combined together
The bottom right side is packed with super good bonuses

• insane toughness replenish/regen

[narrow frost]

Best melee weapon in the game plus ~70% damage increase from playing the game normally from bottom right talents

[warm gulch]

I think its mainly VoC but im a stealth vet so like im based or sum idk

[shadow tendon]

Thats what iv been using for quite some time now

[tame lodge]

Also best gun user in the game

[warm gulch]

Power sword?

[narrow frost]

Yes

[midnight totem]

I don't use VoC personally. I have always been a stealth vet

[midnight totem]

Hear me out, I have had an ogryn fist cuffs setup planned for a long time

[wild vortex]

VoC = spammable fight reset button

[latent star]

I've tried a couple variations of it and I like the power but it feels slow and kind of vulnerable because of that slowness, especially if you aren't using kraks or frags.

[warm gulch]

Yes its on the low (no shade on anyone who uses it bc its good) kinda lame

Maybe if it didn't stagger everything

[tame lodge]

Also
Not a lot of stealth users nowadays
Welp, I know what to do

[wild vortex]

Stealth bomber setup is so fucking fun

[warm gulch]

Me too

[latent star]

Silent But Deadly.

[wild vortex]

Silent up until you let loose 2 frags and reappear with a shotgun blast

[midnight totem]

Ogryn, brass knuckles weapon enables fisticuffs. High stagger on lights, fast, uppercuts on third light is a strike down for higher damage.

[shadow tendon]

Voc is boring

[latent star]

I already feel like grenade builds are kind of selfish so don't like using stealth with them but its kind of hard to pass up that much free damage.

[midnight totem]

Heavies alternate between aoe two handed ground slams and punting forth with a kick.

[warm gulch]

What if ogryn could just rip people in half just because?

[latent star]

Its a bad talent but nerfing it heavily probably requires a somewhat beefy rework of the class for higher difficulties.

[wild vortex]

How is it selfish to eliminate an entire horde by yourself with just a couple frags (that you will regenerate / earn before the next horde), a couple shots and a couple swings?

[midnight totem]

The special attack picks up an enemy, and uses them as a meat shield

[dreamy spade]

Power knuckles, chargeup punch

[midnight totem]

Grab a mauler, a gunner, a flamer

Use as meat shield. Throw at enemies

Grab a dog out of the air.

[wild vortex]

As much as I want Ogryn powerfist, I'd rather they just take that dev time to fix all the other issues with the class

(Assuming the responsibilities overlap)

[left garden]

was in a mission, sorry it took a bit to reply. But good to know then. But if that's not much of a problem to me, it's a useful weapon to have?

[latent star]

I want new weapons but I think fixing all the existing subpar weapons is more important (and thats true for basically every class).

[latent star]

It is an amazing weapon.

It slices it dices it stays crunchy in milk.

If you don't mind the activation time and the slow movement speed it just Solves Problems.

[shadow tendon]

Another skill tree rework

[tame lodge]

Not a single mention of Twin Linked Krourk

🥀

[dreamy spade]

All of the twin linked are pea shooters

[midnight totem]

I'll twin link your krourk

[tame lodge]

Hold on now

Gorg goes onum

It just doesn't have ammo

[latent star]

You will want to learn the push stab combo.

[dreamy spade]

Nah it still doesn't hit hard enough

[tame lodge]

Achlys twink is the peashooter

Albeit an accurate one

[left garden]

push stab combo?

[tame lodge]

Now they should give Krourk like 400% ammo

And a bigger mag

You still won't hit shit

But you can shoot more

[latent star]

Charge, push, attack (stab) followed by a light attack for an overhead. Its how the power sword solves armor.

Only one of the marks has that combo, I think its the MK6?

Always get them mixed up.

[midnight totem]

I think the twin linked, and braced autos should have ammo reserves increased by 1.3

[left garden]

I see, and what's the powersword dump stat?

[narrow frost]

Cleave targets

[midnight totem]

Cleave target usually

[latent star]

Cleave Target or Mobility. IIRC Mobility doesn't change the dodge count but the weapon is already slow as hell so

dumping mobility doesn't help that

[turbid ibex]

Cleave targets

[left garden]

and finally, perks? I'm guessing flak and unyielding or carapace?

[turbid ibex]

Cara unyield

[latent star]

Yeah, Cara Unyielding most of the time. Argument for Cara Mutant maybe for some builds.

[silver patrol]

flak enemies just get bisected

[turbid ibex]

And power cycler + sunder/brumentum for blessings

[latent star]

No reason to take flak I think

[tall torrent]

Unyielding, flak, carapace (pick 2)

Check pinned guide

I have power sword section fully expanded

With atk info

[midnight totem]

I take mutant/cara

[orchid hemlock]

Mutant deez

[latent star]

Mutants are a gigantic pain in the ass and they aren't the biggest threat but killing them a bit faster is always nice.

[left garden]

well that's good to know then. Meanwhile since I'm still asking, if I wanna be lazy what's the perks/blessings for the shovel then? For when I don't feel like upkeeping a power sword?

[latent star]

Uncanny + Decimator or Skullcrusher.

Uncanny is a ridiculous blessing and its surprising it still exists in its current form. Skullcrusher is fantastic in general. Decimator is also good and will help get OHKOs on trash faster.

[left garden]

very good to know, thank you a ton

[wild vortex]

Deci also helps by giving the weapon some extra cleave and boosts your bleed stacks if you path through that talent

[latent star]

MK1 is usually the best mark because it has faster / better attacks in exchange for not having the cool special.

[left garden]

the cool special?

[latent star]

the cool special is cool but not really what the shovel is used for.

flips down the shovel to turn it into an overhead menace for bonking elites.

It is immensely satisfying to use and also pretty good but if you try out the other variants and then try the MK1 it just feels like night and day for speed and general use.

[left garden]

I see, I see

[latent star]

The MK1 has OK anti-elite options with push-overhead followed by the special stab. Not as good but gets the job done.

[left garden]

nice, and you're red now!

[hybrid plover]

It does not buff bleed.

[wild vortex]

man

why is this game so obscure

[hybrid plover]

Uncanny will. Not decimator.

Decimator is coded specifically as "melee strength", not "global strength", unfortunately.

[wild vortex]

what's the mod name that fully explains blessings and stuff

[void dragon]

Am I out of touch with the young? Why do people think so high of the chain swords? WHY THEY THINK DEVIL CLAW IS BETTER THAN CH.AXE AND H.SWORD???

[serene bough]

i almost never see chainswords

[void dragon]

I honestly never use them, but probably should just to get an idea of he weapon

[modern crescent]

is this a rating of strength measured by unga bunga light spam

[serene bough]

whenever i try im reminded how garbage its single target damage is and put it away

[calm shard]

garbage into maulers/crushers specifically

chaxe is definitely the best of those 4 tho

chord, dclaw, and hsword are the low tiers for a reason

[wild vortex]

these are people who watch Mr E's takes, what did you expect

[void dragon]

The caparace metric

[void dragon]

I expect them to reject his lies and accept that Ogryn is the logical next step of human evolution

But I know how wishful that is

[tall torrent]

Just use my guide

[wild vortex]

I don't want to feel like I'm playing PoE but FPS

no offense

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[hybrid plover]

You chose the wrong game, sorry to tell you.

[wild vortex]

I got the mod anyway

hopefully I will be less confused

[tall torrent]

I don't think it's fully accurate either?

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

idk I just check guides

better method

I wrote mine to be shorter & more intuitive to read

[latent star]

CHAxe is almost good IMO. If it had slightly better horde clear it would be.

[torpid grotto]

The Chainsword is the only one that has no selling point at all

[void dragon]

even devil claw has some good finesse, is the chainsword non-caparace swarm extermination solid at least?

[latent star]

The chainsword moveset is kind of messy so I'm not sure I'd say it has good swarm extermination.

[wild vortex]

the heavies are literally just sweeps

[latent star]

They're vanguard / angled, not awful but not perfect for horde clear. On a better weapon it wouldn't be worth mentioning but I wouldn't say the chainsword has an unusually good horde clear moveset.

[wild vortex]

can just look at Regi's data compilation, it's decent at horde clear

the issue isn't even that, it's just the damn carapace

and the rev attacks only doing meaningful damage at the end of the tick

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't trust that data compilation lol

[wild vortex]

how come?

[tall torrent]

it's not great

chainsword atk info (incomplete, still working on it)

[wild vortex]

also fwiw in my own experience chord mulches through hordes and even light mixed hordes pretty well, it just runs into a brick wall when you hit carapace

[latent star]

I don't think it has unusually bad horde clear but if you wanted to take a mediocre weapon that exceled at horde clear the falchion is right there (in the corner, alone, feeling sad)

[wild vortex]

tried using Bloodletter but idk it feels like the bleed doesn't do fuckall unless you hit that end tick

[latent star]

Exploit Weakness + Bloodthirsty would be a good combo with forced crits giving the talent even more uptime but I don't think its worth the squeeze atm.

[calm shard]

yeah that's exactly chord

[south spindle]

Its still S-tier tho

[orchid hemlock]

Regi says Bonesaw is best melee on Scum 💀

[wild vortex]

did he tho, I thought he stated pretty clearly it's shivs

but he does love the Saw and uses it a lot

[orchid hemlock]

That's still wrong 😈

[wild vortex]

Camp Saw

[orchid hemlock]

What do these youtubers see in saw that I don't

[turbid ibex]

Ye regi's bonesaw glaze is insane

[orchid hemlock]

I tried to make saw work in havoc games like 30 times

But it makes me get an aneurysm every single time I see a rager

[calm shard]

the...dreg ragers that take double chem toxin damage?

[south spindle]

Probably more the speed, or lack thereof the weapon has

[orchid hemlock]

The ragers I can't cc

[calm shard]

well you can technically just hit the 2nd part of the strikedown heavy /s

yeah I just smack them with lights until they get 4 stacks of chem tox which is enough to kill them

[south spindle]

And grow a full beard in the time that takes

[calm shard]

that is as little as 2 light attacks

really not that hard

in havoc it probably takes 5 or 6 which can also be 2 light attacks if you're using ya boy coated weaponry

[pastel knoll]

gamers, how the hell do you get the long bomb penance

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1397384963984457888/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.22_-_20.06.16.11.DVR.mp4?ex=698b2de9&is=6989dc69&hm=f2d13a6ee6c54ba69cc0a8d0c10a6511f785c7ffad94e641eda09efbbf0fa626& like this

bolt pistol+tinker for bigger radius

[pastel knoll]

alright ill try that out

ty

its that penance and the no melee damage one that are killin me rn

[calm shard]

only counts if you actually lose health to the attack btw

[pastel knoll]

wait so not toughness

[calm shard]

yes

[pastel knoll]

bruh

[calm shard]

you have to take health damage from a melee attack

[pastel knoll]

😭

illiterate moment

[calm shard]

poxhounds count btw so you know don't get dogged

[calm shard]

no the penance doesn't mention that

[pastel knoll]

tyty

[slender elm]

Just do it on lowest diff

[unreal nova]

Also mutie slams, but that's also obvious.

Oh and pray for no CSpawn, you get grabbed, rip.

If your team doesn't immediately interrupt.

[pastel knoll]

ty all for the info 🫡

[hybrid plover]

Just run explodey bistol

You'll be fiiine

[turbid ibex]

Whats a good bolter build for vet

[neon karma]

is the revolver still good for havoc? I'm using it with weapon specialist and the power sword, trying to practice in auric maelstrom but it doesn't feel too good sometimes

[latent star]

Probably Focus Target, hard to justify Marksman's Focus on a bolter IMO and its awfully slow to use with Weapon Specialist. VoC is still the "right" choice most of the time but Exe Stance does count as an instant-equip which is really really really really nice for the bolter.

Bolter would probably be Carapace / Unyielding with Pinning Fire / Shattering or Surgical.

[lyric path]

what shotgun is good for veteran?

[hollow ibex]

Any of them

Though Assatran is the weakest

[pastel knoll]

noob here but is that the krak nade or other one

[neon karma]

kraks have longer fuses iirc. the shredder had the shortest and was what I used to get my long bomb

[hollow ibex]

The penance requires using shredder fyi

[pastel knoll]

is it a underhand throw?

ok I just realized holding the aim grenade button makes it be thrown further

guh

[cursive oracle]

good but suffers from poor ammo economy and long reload

heavy las pistol can give u similar results, the x mark especially

pop heads

[neon karma]

I liked the big damage...guess I'll give it a try then. Is the bolt pistol any better?

[past peak]

There's also a few spots on some maps where you can get some extra "distance" by throwing the bomb up in front of a ledge with enemies at the bottom. I got mine on the spiral staircase in the ammo stealing mission, right before the hacking event

[charred finch]

marksman's focus works great on boltgun but ok