veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

because people said it felt bad to shoot with no feedback

[slender elm]

Implying the enemy falling over isnt enough feedback

[stable socket]

well, in order for the enemy to fall over the lasgun would first have to do damage

[lunar maple]

Simulated recoil

Ass

[lunar maple]

The lasgun is doing its best okay

It needs help

[stable socket]

is the infantry las semi auto or full auto? i know the las pistol is semi

[lunar maple]

Inf is semi

[stable socket]

man

[drowsy perch]

maybe its a hot take but i really like guns that have little to no recoil

they feel so nice to use

[stable socket]

as if it weren't bad enough already

[drowsy perch]

it can be a bit jarring if youre used to recoil but like

[lunar maple]

There’s a model of inf that is spammy but eh

[drowsy perch]

recon las feels so good

[slender elm]

To this day I've not played recon las properly

[tame granite]

is there a proper way? I thought it was the most "hold m1" weapon ever

[hollow ibex]

yeah proper way is to use it with your melee

unfortunately, it's the ultimate noob trap weapon

where people think they should play like desperado hive scum

[slender elm]

I don't have a build for it ingame

[hollow ibex]

and just nothing but spray all game

[dry cloak]

Get mk14 and use brain

[slender elm]

Like, i leveled recon las on sgdd psyker and then decided this sucks I want more headshots

And swapped to las pistol

[hollow ibex]

[drowsy perch]

i run mk7 tac axe with it

tho im mainly holding m1

atleast with crit build its really strong

easiest havoc loadout ive used

[dry cloak]

Reconlasguns are kinda bad in that regard because they have low finnesse

[slender elm]

Yeah, I've not looked back since

So these days I just walk into a room and quick draw, heretics get a free lasbolt hole in their face and I get full stacks of mmf or dd

[drowsy perch]

what does finesse do

btw

[slender elm]

Weakpoint damage

[hollow ibex]

and crit damage

[slender elm]

Ah yes

I'm mildly annoyed that gunners will fucking bend over like those water drinking bird toys when you shoot a guy beside them

Petition: make ammo backpacks and battery packs weakpoints

[woeful field]

Are smokes viable?

[drowsy perch]

they're very situational

think psyker bubble shield

but its just enemies not shooting instead

and it also blinds your entire team aswell

if you're stealth build its really good

[woeful field]

My friends are getting dt, that might be funny

Im probably gonna stick to shredders when im sweating

[hybrid plover]

pointless in auric

absolutely amazing in havoc

[woeful field]

Is recon supposed to feel like shit vs armor?

[hybrid plover]

yes.

[woeful field]

Darn.

Should I not bother with the perks that give armor damage bonus

[hybrid plover]

at least not carapace

it's fine against flak

complete ass against carapace though

[woeful field]

Darn

[drowsy perch]

yea

i run it with +25 to flak and carapace

with crit build it still does decent damage through it

[hybrid plover]

25% carapace does literally nothing for it unless you run onslaught

and even with onslaught, it's such a slog that it's not even really worth it honestly.

[drowsy perch]

i also just end up using kraks

i might replace it with extra crit chance tbh

[hollow ibex]

that's a really easy solution

[wild vortex]

shrimply use Kraks or Shovel

[woeful field]

Im using psword already I dont want my build to be too busted

I think ill take smokrs

[distant mural]

Putting cara on the recon las is criminal

[dry cloak]

Take vigi

Any one you want

[woeful field]

Vigi?

[astral breach]

Be a chad and use falchion

[dry cloak]

Vigilant autogun

[distant mural]

Falchion is not that bad

[dry cloak]

Get hang of the moveset and kinks then youre good

[astral breach]

Yeah idk what the hate is around it lol in my 1k hours from using the worst to meta its def good

[distant mural]

Its just shit when not powered

[woeful field]

I havent used falcon yet

[astral breach]

I’ve been using the mk2 on it and it’s actually quite good

Felt awkward at first but it’s been a breeze after getting used to it

[distant mural]

But other then that it has more dodges then p-sword and is safer

[hollow ibex]

falch needs help still

[dry cloak]

Think of it like a burst limited iag

[hollow ibex]

i think it has a niche

[tame lodge]

13 seconds cool down if you overheat

[hollow ibex]

but it's not great

[tame lodge]

[distant mural]

It could do a lil more dmg unpowered

[dry cloak]

Thats how i was using it before bound by duty

[woeful field]

Falcion can overheat?

[dry cloak]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

all the time lol

[dry cloak]

It works like relic blade

[woeful field]

Never used relic

[dry cloak]

Damn

[astral breach]

I’ve been using cranial and overheat(whatever it’s called whenever you do the aoe on overheat) and the downtime is barely noticeable tbh

[dry cloak]

You are uninformed

[tame lodge]

Relic is around 8 seconds cool down if it overheats

And actually has some damage unpowered

[dry cloak]

Less if you use heatsink

[astral breach]

your missing out on peak

[distant mural]

Ive allways been using rising heat

[tame lodge]

Now falchion is around 13 seconds cool down

[woeful field]

I havent even played zealot yet

[tame lodge]

And you have no reason to use it unpowered

[distant mural]

Rising heat plus wrath

[tame lodge]

Smh Fatshark never learns

[astral breach]

Pretty sure it’s less with heatsink no?

[tame lodge]

Yes Heatsink speeds the cool down

[astral breach]

Yeah cranial with it and maybe 2 cycles of combo’s and it’s up instantly

[woeful field]

Whats the dump on falcion

[tame lodge]

Extra if you overheat

Which you don't want to

[woeful field]

Falcion recon is actually a cool loudout

[tame lodge]

But you have no reason to use it unpowered

[hollow ibex]

the main issue for me is that ragers fuck you

with falch

[astral breach]

Eh the downtime is meh

[hollow ibex]

the downtime is quite significant

[woeful field]

Ragers fuck me regardless

[hollow ibex]

and painful

[astral breach]

The aoe stagger also is quite useful

[dry cloak]

Mk2 has ability to stun them on headshot

[hollow ibex]

stuff like rashad, PS and taxe hard counter ragers

[hollow ibex]

it's like a specific heavy

[astral breach]

You think? I haven’t had much issues with them in havoc

[woeful field]

I use PS, im just not good at the game

[dry cloak]

I have enough experience that ragers are not a problem

[tame lodge]

Still exists though

[hollow ibex]

no stagger

[dry cloak]

Maybe a bit after a pause

But once im back in the seat they are not a problem

[hollow ibex]

it's a pretty big problem

[astral breach]

No need for stagger when you can 1-2 shot them

[hollow ibex]

because it forces you to use your blitz or your gun

to deal with ragers

[dry cloak]

Also can someone tell me how much time is left in the event

[hollow ibex]

yeah have fun when there's five of them in your face

[dry cloak]

Please

[hollow ibex]

prob around 2 weeks

[tame lodge]

Turning the relic blade off so it doesn't overheat is a valid tactic because it actually hurts when unpowered
Turning the falchion off.....

[dry cloak]

How about devil claw

[astral breach]

Wait I remember the name of it now LOL

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[astral breach]

Overload

Not heatsink

[hollow ibex]

dclaw has stagger ofc

[astral breach]

I’ve been using overload and cranial and it’s been performing quite well

[tame lodge]

Every aggressive enemy is just another dclaw victim

https://tenor.com/view/money-spread-show-me-a-money-spread-broke-pennies-coins-gif-4841084664549812158

[astral breach]

Mk 2 shits on ragers honestly over the mk 1

[calm shard]

yeah also the parry

dclaw does have stagger blessings and they're okay

[dry cloak]

Dclaw should get perfect parry blessings

[hollow ibex]

oops yeah i meant parry

[dry cloak]

With override that parry always counts as pparry for the sake of blessing

[astral breach]

Fs will never allow dclaw to be good(unless it’s a broken build on hive scum ofc)

[hybrid plover]

just run overload on relic blade

[dry cloak]

Not gonna stop me from running it

[astral breach]

Overload value on falchion is

I might try heatsink with it since mk 2 just gets free headshots every other hit

[dry cloak]

Mk2 moveset i vibe with

[calm shard]

imagine dclaw with this

[hollow ibex]

fighting ragers with just falch is actually so ass

[calm shard]

lightning reflexes as well

the works

[astral breach]

Use mk 2

[dry cloak]

Like this blessing would be cool on shields if the duration was like 6 second per stack

[calm shard]

Mk 2 has it worse xd

[hollow ibex]

the shit version?

i'm good bro

[astral breach]

I’m ngl I think I like it over mk 1

[calm shard]

Only the uppercut specifically has stagger on ragers

I do also prefer Mk 2 personally

[dry cloak]

Yeah me too

[drowsy perch]

is falchion just zealot relic blade but for vet

[calm shard]

Uppercut/Overhead is much better single target damage

[hollow ibex]

yes but worse

[calm shard]

And frankly the single target damage is why you run power falch over other mid-low tiers

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/50CA021.MP4?ex=698415c8&is=6982c448&hm=ce2ee609c7bf87a6765ef2281640cae171da8ab7946eb44225d439ef90b47473&

[drowsy perch]

i may try it

i did buy one

[astral breach]

I don’t really have an issue with ragers using unless I’m like fighting everything thrown at me

[drowsy perch]

havent used it yet

[hollow ibex]

Mk1 is just straight up better

[drowsy perch]

mk7 tac axe is great for ragers

[hollow ibex]

its fun but has real weaknesses you need to be careful about

[hybrid plover]

yes, except with no qualities of why relic blade is good except better damage (which is mostly because of vet's beefed up damage tree)

[junior grail]

How'd you manage the stab in? I barely see it

[dry cloak]

Sure psword is also straight up better than every thing else

[hollow ibex]

it's just PA L

tbh mk1 combos are fucking stupid

you could just light spam for both hordes and single target

[dry cloak]

I like such weapons

[hollow ibex]

PA L is the highest dps ST combo

[astral breach]

instead of that stamina waste I can just hit him with the meanest 2 piece uppercut possible

[hollow ibex]

yeah, that's going to be slower bub

[astral breach]

I can use that stamina for something else

[dry cloak]

Dont care mate

Style over function

[hollow ibex]

also mk2 horde clear combos suck

[dry cloak]

Yeah its weird

[astral breach]

It’s weird but I don’t really have an issue with it

[hollow ibex]

there's no reason why

[dry cloak]

Safer option is push attack l on repeat

[hollow ibex]

falch heavies

should be so fucking slow

idgi

it's almost like the same issue with bonesaw

where any moveset that contains a heavy automatically results in a dps loss

lmfao

[astral breach]

Maybe it’s bc I’m using FT so the damage is made up with it

And I haven’t noticed too many issues besides the awkward attack pattern

[hybrid plover]

no stagger, unnecessarily slow heavies, is absolute ass while unpowered

Falchion ends up being more of a melee sidearm to ranged builds than a proper melee weapon to rely on for those reasons

[astral breach]

From my time spent on the game there’s so many worse choices tbf

[calm shard]

just make them do a billion damage to be worth the slow speed

that's weapon identity right there

[hybrid plover]

There is. That doesn't mean Falchion is automatically good either.

[hollow ibex]

that could actually be interesting, but it'd be thematically weird to make falch that weapon

[hybrid plover]

You can make it work.

[hollow ibex]

or saw

[astral breach]

I think relic is the only one that doesn’t hit like a wet noodle when non powered tbf

[hollow ibex]

falch's just mid

[hybrid plover]

But, it's just not really in a good state for a melee weapon.

[hybrid plover]

Yes. And Falchion is quite literally supposed to be vet's counterpart to that weapon.

[calm shard]

well fatshark is allergic to giving anybody not named zealot proper 2 handed melee weapons

[hybrid plover]

And yet it has none of the qualities of why relic blade is so reliable for zealot except for its damage.

[calm shard]

so it's the best we're gonna get

[astral breach]

I mean considering how many years it took FS to buff dclaw I wouldn’t be waiting for any falchion buffs anytime soon

[hybrid plover]

Power sword being ass while unpowered makes sense because power sword when it is powered is one of if not the best generalist melee weapons in the entire game.

[hollow ibex]

yeah def not

[astral breach]

Hot take but I’d take it over psword

[hybrid plover]

Falchion is nowhere near that height to be so bad while unpowered whatsoever.

[tame lodge]

😭

All of the Falchions buffs will not address the main issue

Just like with Dclaw

https://tenor.com/view/peak-panda-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-1206829322030625047

[calm shard]

yeah edclaw still has comically bad flak ADM for no reason xd

[astral breach]

I have no faith they would address the actual issues so we can only hope for buffs

[calm shard]

and honest to god probably the worst blessing pool of any weapon in the entire game

why the fuck does it have THREE identical impact blessings

[astral breach]

Dclaw won’t get another buff again for 2 years bc hivescum makes it usable

[hollow ibex]

can't wait for fatshart to buff falch's sprint efficiency and PA recovery time

[calm shard]

I've been using it on veteran and zealot before scum came out xd

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's def usable

[astral breach]

I’d use it back when we could stack our gold toughness to ridiculous amounts but I couldn’t bring myself to keep using it over and over watching it bounce off the crusher waiting to slam dunk me

I only use it on a specific build for hive scum now and sometimes on zealot since you can constantly refresh your stamina on perfect parries with the right set up

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1456174368127455380/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2026.01.01_-_00.36.14.28.mp4?ex=69843a8f&is=6982e90f&hm=a8bf00de1d7f00cabefcdc1ec78be6a0684275b4ba50da8dfadf4b7e0f76ecac& it's alright

could be worse

[unreal nova]

Points at FGS.

[calm shard]

psyker is the favorite child this is known

[swift river]

When it comes to melee weapons, I crave only one thing that I know this game will never give us, sadly...

The Power Fist

[stiff glacier]

powerfist would be cool as hell

but also pretty difficult to implement i imagine

I personally want the incense mace

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/yieqweTfto

[stiff glacier]

suckerpunch with gusto

[swift river]

That was from two years ago 😄

[unreal nova]

I want that for my Commissar thing.

[swift river]

Just a well timed grenade and punch

[swift river]

I just wanna be Cadian Sergeant or Castillan

[stiff glacier]

or that sniper shotgun for arbi

[unreal nova]

Powerfist on a Commissar.

Powerclaw is good as well.

[dry cloak]

With great power comes great fisting

[unreal nova]

Visceral attack the Burgle pimple.

[dry cloak]

Yup

[serene pawn]

?

Do you guys thinck that the veteran will like this car

[marsh kestrel]

dawg where tf are you?

btw

quick question

can the agripinaa revolver be viable?

I get the worse damage and no overpenetration

but it can still be good, can't it?

[tame lodge]

Top tier monstrosity killer

[marsh kestrel]

we sure?

I honestly am scared to ask

every place has different answers

it feels good to me

it's fun

I like turning on deadeye (exec stance) and fanning heretics down at high noon

as long as it's auric viable

I'm fine and dandy

I assume we need high crit chance without surgical

[sly orchid]

yah

you just pump it with damage buffs and exe stance

i think you can chunk like 2/3rds of a boss healthbar

[marsh kestrel]

yee to the motherfuckin haw

how do I do that?

I assume Sustained Fire is a must

[sly orchid]

idunno

just pick what feels right

[marsh kestrel]

bruh

[dry cloak]

Trick shot and hand cannon/run n gun

[marsh kestrel]

really?

alr

[dry cloak]

Yup

[marsh kestrel]

can you tell me more?

what other stuff do I need?

[dry cloak]

Carapace unyielding on it

And good melle

Thats how i run it

[marsh kestrel]

intended difficulty?

[dry cloak]

Auric

Everything will work up to auric

[woeful field]

How do yall build power sword? I just threw on extra flak and carapace damage, power cycler, and not sure on the last

[tame lodge]

Sunder or Brutal Momentum

[dry cloak]

Last is bromentum or sunder

[tame lodge]

Sunder is the preferred pick due to essentially 400% cleave

[woeful field]

Ty

[tame lodge]

And carapace cleaving

[woeful field]

And carapace/flak is fine?

[woeful field]

Is flak less important

I think i dont understand the difference

[dry cloak]

Youre good

[dry cloak]

What difference?

[woeful field]

Between the importance of carapace vs flak damage

Bro said cleave instead of flak and im wondering why flak is less

[marsh kestrel]

alr what about talents?

[tame lodge]

By default
Carapace stops all cleave (with a few exceptions)
Sunder makes it so power sword can cleave through it

[hearty snow]

how do i cook with the combat shotgun

[tame lodge]

Aim down sights and hit heads

And if you're running Accatran just get a better mark

[hearty snow]

i mean a build for it

[marsh kestrel]

yeah same here

for the agripinaa revolver

[dry cloak]

Do what you think is right then we are gonna rate it

[marsh kestrel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ffe9a9-629b-4355-87af-29ebdd91e373/gunslinger-vet-mk-i?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I only did the skill tree

[dry cloak]

Is good

Ready to go

Grenade is free choice so use which you want

[marsh kestrel]

I'll wait for some more opinions

[dry cloak]

Imo looks good

[woeful field]

So why take sunder AND cleave?

[tame lodge]

I think you misunderstood

[woeful field]

Likely

OHHH

[tame lodge]

Sunder IS 400% cleave and carapace cleave

[marsh kestrel]

you guys

[woeful field]

I thought you meant sunder + cleave as the little perk(forgot the name)

[tame lodge]

2 in 1 at affordable prices

[marsh kestrel]

what do ya'll think of the build?

the skill tree at least

[tame lodge]

Oh
Could use some bottom right talents ngl

[marsh kestrel]

that's what I was thinking

[dry cloak]

Every build could use those

[marsh kestrel]

what do I sacrfice to make space for em though?

[dry cloak]

Hes going for shooting so imo is good

[woeful field]

Would you still take flak damage?

I know i want carapace since recon stinks against it

[dry cloak]

Yes

Also remember the guide exists

[woeful field]

Which guide in particular?

[dry cloak]

Hammer of the emperor

I.e the vet guide

[marsh kestrel]

btw

how does opening salvo work on the revolver?

it's literally just one shot

20% of 5 is 1

20% of 7 is 1.4

[tame lodge]

Sounds about right

[dry cloak]

It only the first shot

[sonic pecan]

did they fix vet yet

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-22733242

Unfortunately no
Only top 2 class atm

[sonic pecan]

ill check back in 6 months

[tame lodge]

Godspeed 🫡

[marsh kestrel]

anyways

so back to my build for a bit

the crit chance might not be enough

idk

actually crucian roulette could fix that

[tame lodge]

If you're lucky OpSalvo would work on the first 2 shots if you have the 7 shooter

[marsh kestrel]

no point in it then

[dry cloak]

Mate take trickshooter and run n gun

Boost crits on agrip does not make sense imo

[marsh kestrel]

run n gun?

fr?

[dry cloak]

Yes

Free accuracy

What not to love

[marsh kestrel]

sustained fire tho?

[dry cloak]

No

Damaga is worse than strenght

Because strenght buffs everything

Not just damage

Sustained fire is trash blessing in general

No matter the weapon

[marsh kestrel]

what is close damage?

how close do I gotta be?

[dry cloak]

12.5m

And in

[marsh kestrel]

ok

so the longshot threshold

[dry cloak]

Yup

[woeful field]

Where that at

Nvm my dumbass

I caj just look it up

[dry cloak]

Pins

[brave acorn]

@hollow ibex yesterday you were telling me about IAG. I have it set up now with exe stance, precision strikes, MMF, long range assassin (for 15 focus stacks), and onslaught. Am I missing anything?

I haven’t taken either of the rending talents, idk how much value they bring

[dry cloak]

Rending nodes bring most when shooting carapace which you should not be doing with iags

[undone jungle]

rending maxxing is weird like that yeah

in theory it's fantastic but also... just use your krak or psword

better on scum iag builds imo to rendmaxx, rendmaxxed recon feels good on vet tho

[hollow ibex]

You can skip onslaught

Tbh you don’t even need 15 stacks really

I’d take some right side melee nodes

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1qvp8ut/double_standard_on_horde_clearing_tool/

Sorry not sorry calling HR for both of these

[stiff glacier]

to me its that smite psykers get themselves killed so often

like they cant for life of them stop smiting or keep any awareness

[hollow ibex]

Smyker moment

[tough nova]

Post the gif

[stiff glacier]

if they knew how to not get killed by single poxwalker id have no problem with smyker

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1431749474740605028/goteem.mp4?ex=69845c5b&is=69830adb&hm=650b4b739a5bf9a616fa35668a621d1c02540bc0195a9e100557f9fbe8dcd574&

prob not the gif you had in mind

but even more hilarious

[tough nova]

Thank you i needed that🤣

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[hollow ibex]

sped things up a bit

[fair shale]

Holy fuck lmfao

[tough nova]

Definitely trying that

[steep flower]

You know its considered griefing no matter what right?

As hilarious as it is; i do not condone
Ledging with barrels is funny
Poxburstering is oof

[orchid hemlock]

Sacrifices must be made

To end the Smyker

[last marten]

😹

[hollow ibex]

trying to get the gif onto tenor

but it's pending review

so just going to post it here first

[tough nova]

Sometimes to do great things we must engage with evil

[oblique imp]

Is there a dps chart?

For ranged weappns

[hollow ibex]

wayyyy too much variation and variables for a dps chart

what are you looking for?

[oblique imp]

Just wanted to compare dps of Las guns

[hollow ibex]

ilas? mk2 is the best rn

[mental barn]

you basically have to use the meat grinder

because so many talents and blessings affect dps differently depending on fire rate

and then there is overkill damage too

basically any gun with big hits will show big dps but in reality it might not be that good because a lot of it is wasted

[tall torrent]

No
But u can deduce it with fire rate and damage listed in the pinned guide

[livid hill]

Bro was just teying to get the penance 😭

[hollow ibex]

there's a penance for killing smykers?

[livid hill]

There is now

[woeful field]

What recon mark does what

I know the stats are a bit different but are they THAT different?

[hollow ibex]

Here you go

[woeful field]

Tysm!!

Whats HH and dumdum?

[distant plaza]

weapon blessings

[narrow frost]

Headhunter and dumdum are weapon blessings

[wild vortex]

VIc with Onslaught is not completely dogshit against carapace

Fwiw

Was trying it today

Still not worth compared to just chucking a krak, but quite decent if there's a nice firing line and your team is shooting too

[tame lodge]

We should not support the shoot carapace with recon culture

[wild vortex]

VIc + Shovel is such a good combo

really been enjoying it

very thematic too with the Kriegsman outfit

[hollow ibex]

If I see a teammate doing this I assume they’re shit and I’m always right

[wild vortex]

I do feel Onslaught is worth picking anyway though

works against bosses and reapers as well

good value for 1 pt IMO

[tall torrent]

The value depends

[narrow frost]

What does it do against bosses and reapers?

[tall torrent]

And usually isn’t great

[wild vortex]

doesn't the Brittleness help?

[narrow frost]

Save 10 bullets for a 1-2 point investment?

[wild vortex]

since it boosts everyone's damage

[narrow frost]

Brittle doesn't do much against unyielding

It's only notable for carapace

I do wanna see the difference with and without

[wild vortex]

really? even on recon las? I thought its ADM wasn't amazing

[tall torrent]

It depends on their attacks’ ADM

[wild vortex]

it affects grenade damage too though right

[tall torrent]

Yes but depends on its ADM too

[wild vortex]

so it doesn't help Kraks for example?

[tall torrent]

lol not by much

[wild vortex]

ohhh

guess I skip that then

[narrow frost]

Test it out yourself

It's good to see for yourself instead of just being told

But remember to do proper testing

[wild vortex]

Guess I'll fire up the spawner mod again

[slow sky]

Ive done this in havoc 1.0 with shovel

[tame lodge]

🥀

[slow sky]

He thinks im poop at the game

[tame lodge]

Oh I don't

Sirosky does

[tame lodge]

I also just noticed siroskys name

[silent lake]

is making things angry then cloaking to backstab as enemies charges allies an ok tactic?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-jordan-funny-jordan-laugh-mj-laugh-mj-no-no-no-gif-13209134556538742845

[silent lake]

I got like ten seconds of 90% threat reduction. I dont bite off mroe then i can chew in that time

power falchion and plamsa rifle cloaked deletes so much

or umm, with that time after too

have not gone to damnation yet. been playing random map and groups so varied

also, not random shots, I mean going for mission objectives. thigns gotta clear anyways. not extra

[halcyon blaze]

As long as you're actively deleting the stuff you just aggroed it's generally all good. It's mostly the stealth zealot that dumps aggro and then runs ahead to grab yet more aggro to dump that are the annoying types.

[silent lake]

This is veteran chat. We have brains

I did say I deleted. Backstab extra damage, I just cant have looking at me

[dry sparrow]

nice

[silent lake]

Lots of times I am leaving open hallways for team to go through to next objective. I dont say inn game but brain is going tick tock. I am so freaking tired of the train, only been playing often three weeks tops. So much carrying

[honest wolf]

Hey guys, ogryn main here about to try veteran, any tips y’all could give me so I can actually enjoy the game for the fist time?

[tall torrent]

veteran is a hybrid combat class, not a ranged class

[honest wolf]

Will I be able to play the game and not die because my team left me behind and then blames me for not tanking when there is 500 specials and they all target me and our 2 zealots do nothing to kill them as I suffer from gunners when I play veteran?

[tall torrent]

yea u can solo pretty much the entire game as vet

[hollow ibex]

It’s nobody’s job to tank anyway

[honest wolf]

Sorry I have PTOD (post traumatic ogryn disorder)

[honest wolf]

They seem to think that’s false 👍

[tall torrent]

vet is top3 dmg dealer and top3 solo/duo class

[honest wolf]

Aight ty

[tall torrent]

actually might be 4th best for solo, depends

but duo-wise top3 for sure

[real loom]

Vet top 6 for sure

[honest wolf]

My main issue as ogryn was armor, are the kraks that “cracked” and will they be enough to deal with armor? Or should I bring something else to deal with the crusher hordes?

[tall torrent]

krak can be built to 1 tap h40 crushers

[honest wolf]

Sick

[tall torrent]

and no u should not count on krak as ur only source of carapace dmg

bring a melee weapon that does well into carapace

I’d put it at like
T0: psyker and ranged hvs
T1: vet, melee hvs, chemist hvs, ranged rumbler og
T1.5: arb, melee og, zealot
T2: ranged non-rumbler og

[tame lodge]

Power Sword
Tactical Axe
Axe
Chain axe
Knife
Dueling Sword

No particular order

[cursive oracle]

using cloak on vet is crazy gang

[distant plaza]

chain axe my beloved

[cursive oracle]

dueling sword

[silent lake]

freaking needed playing with randoms though. I got no friends in game so that is always for me. I have been getting most cowardly ogryns ever. Two ran away from 3 maulers and both had full health and power mauls

[swift wagon]

Wait. I should not be running devils claw on Vet?

[cursive oracle]

HUH?

shout bro

[cursive oracle]

devils claw is mid

[swift wagon]

I love that weapon 😭

[hollow ibex]

Possibly the most overrated vet melee ngl

[cursive oracle]

overrated for a reason

shit fucks

[hollow ibex]

Yeah unfortunately it’s not great

[thorn lark]

shit sucks

[silent lake]

I was lamenting one match. Group was me two ogryns and a psycher. the ogryns ran from mobs 🙁

[cursive oracle]

the dueling sword is a top 5 melee pick

very good into carapace

[hollow ibex]

Nowhere near hard enough for what noobs and YTers think it is lol

[cursive oracle]

??

[swift wagon]

What difficulty is that in?

[hollow ibex]

It’s much stronger on psyker than vet

Which makes sense

[silent lake]

delayed answer

[hollow ibex]

Since it used to be a psyker weapon

[cursive oracle]

dueling sword is very strong on vet

[thorn lark]

and it bars you from learning how to melee properly

you just H1 everything

[hollow ibex]

It’s good, not amazing

Unlike psyker

Vet doesn’t have sources of consistent horde clear besides melee

Which means the melee needs to pick up the slack

And DS has bad horde clear

[fair shale]

I can think of like at least 4 weapons I'd take on vet besides DS tbh

[thorn lark]

db shotgun tho

[hollow ibex]

Psyker can just ignore that because assail and staves exist

[fair shale]

Possibly 5

[tall torrent]

nah. not needed

[hollow ibex]

Yeah but I said consistent. DB is more bursts of horde clear

[thorn lark]

shovel, rashad, knife, taxe and ?

[silent lake]

so I wanted to have favorite class go to damnation first for myself. What is barebones change if my guard brothers can help prepare me

[fair shale]

You're forgetting number 1 lol

PSword

[turbid ibex]

power sword

[thorn lark]

MFG

How could I

[silent lake]

I cloak, use plasma rifle and power falchion atm

[cursive oracle]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/m3mrye1uUEdf7pmHG?invite=cr-MSxmQk8sMjcwNDU1MDkz&v=7

this is pretty good gang lol

2 hits

[thorn lark]

so does the psword

[silent lake]

oh, I am pre video. I like text

[thorn lark]

and it cleaves Atoma too

[cursive oracle]

idk what this means

[thorn lark]

why cloak?

[cursive oracle]

u click play and observe empirical evidence

[turbid ibex]

im pretty sure that was 5 hits

[cursive oracle]

no thats 2 fully charged hits and 1 starter

[fair shale]

That was like

[cursive oracle]

the push attack combo is 1

[fair shale]

At least 3 charged hits

You can actually straight up 2 shot them with PSword

[hollow ibex]

Pretty slow

[turbid ibex]

that still took like forever

[fair shale]

PSword will also cleave the world in twain given the chance

[silent lake]

oh, I guess somethiong else started. Was me figuring out base build.

[fair shale]

What's up buddy

[silent lake]

I like to experiment than look up and ask if missing something

[thorn lark]

do you have a build to share?

on gameslantern

[cursive oracle]

ok so what r u recommending for a better melee weapon on vet

[tidal fox]

how do you guys like using psword it feels so slow

[arctic ridge]

Is it better to sacrifice weapons for additional weapon XP, or discard them for money?

[thorn lark]

I am faster with the taxe :/

[cursive oracle]

its literally so slow

[turbid ibex]

power sword

[cursive oracle]

lol

[hollow ibex]

Psword is the strongest

[fair shale]

Power Sword if you want the end all be all melee option

[cursive oracle]

ya but its SLOW

[turbid ibex]

no lmao

[hollow ibex]

It’s very fast with block cancel

[turbid ibex]

its faster than the clip you posted

[thorn lark]

it's not very mobile

[sonic kayak]

slow

[cursive oracle]

i wasnt even completely buffed up ngl

[tall torrent]

there's rly only 1 answer to this lol

[hollow ibex]

Psword can kill crushers with 6500 dps

[silent lake]

I clicked website and talent tree thing keeps switching after I click. Different classes then what I started putting layout in

[thorn lark]

but if you player enough fgs psyker, you'll feel like flying

[silent lake]

been frustrated but keeping eye out because first day being social in over year and i dont want to face plant

[tame lodge]

You get used to it

Also you spam lights

[hollow ibex]

Block cancel

[distant plaza]

by using something fun instead? >.>

[cursive oracle]

idk man i get decent results outta the dueling sword

fast n powerful as needed

[turbid ibex]

hordes

[sonic kayak]

Don't worry about it, take your time

[silent lake]

you said that. I looked up then the middle finger was added. is that teh god emperors will?

[thorn lark]

you have other tools to take care of crushers if that's your problem

[hollow ibex]

Hmm?

[silent lake]

oh, things cleared fast maybe

[thorn lark]

your ds has shitty horde clear, and as Sirosky said before, you don't have ranged horde clear

unlike psyker

[sonic kayak]

Do you mean this? 👆 this is pointing up, not a middle finger

[silent lake]

was under also you spam lights

[sonic kayak]

Basically it's people saying "agreed"

[hollow ibex]

🖕 is not 👆

[cursive oracle]

i dont really have this issue

[silent lake]

sorry been on defensive and saw wrong

[sonic kayak]

Again, take your time

[hollow ibex]

You might not notice it until you try a weapon that has meaningful horde clear

[cursive oracle]

i agree its not fantastic for cleaving but

[hollow ibex]

It’s very simple. Just test it in the psyk

[cursive oracle]

i dont rly struggle in a horde

what do u want me to test

[hollow ibex]

Clear time on 20 scab bruisers

[sonic kayak]

No rush for anything, collect yourself and just share when you're ready

[cursive oracle]

how do i spawn those

[hollow ibex]

It’s safe in hordes because of mobility

But the clear time is bad

[silent lake]

i still dont know if clicking tha tsent me to correct tree. I will admit, I can be doofus navigating

[thorn lark]

or you're trying to clutch and a horde appears and oh shit you don't have stam and you need to deal with it

[hollow ibex]

You’ll need the creature spawner mod

[real loom]

Can the skitarus mod block cancel

[hollow ibex]

Yes but I prefer to do it manually

For finer control

[real loom]

🤔

Wouldnt skitarus be faster if it does right after

[thorn lark]

he said control, not speed

[thorn lark]

execution trance goes swish swish swish

[hollow ibex]

Yah

Skitarius can get the timing perfectly but I just prefer to handle it manually still

[cursive oracle]

i dont rly block cancel

[hollow ibex]

On psword? It’s a huge difference if you do

Worth the effort

[cursive oracle]

im used to ogryn tbh

everything slow as fuck

[shell ingot]

I haven't played in a bit and my build is outdated. Used to use rashad revolver weapon spec. Do people still do that on vet or have they moved to a different class? Anything better than rashad?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah still a pretty meta loadout with WS

Psword is stronger but harder to use

Rashad is still an excellent brain off melee

And revolver is still stupidly strong

[tall torrent]

revolver got stronger with patch 1.9 cuz vet got way more dmg

can hit even better breakpoints than before

[silent lake]

sorry I am not used to websites and tools. I do have my current talent points laid out on website but dunno how to share

and ugh, do I have to show gear? not ashamed but putting in stats

[thorn lark]

you can do ctrl + s

[tidal fox]

whats the difference between the two psword marks

[tall torrent]

VI is better

[tidal fox]

is there no difference

[orchid hemlock]

The movesets are different

[tall torrent]

there is
VI is better

[orchid hemlock]

VI has the better movesets

[tidal fox]

ah ok

[orchid hemlock]

I also think III doesn't have the movement speed reduction during the powering on animation

But I might be wrong 🤔

[silent lake]

is drag image over not a thing anymore?

[orchid hemlock]

You mean for discord?

You don't have the permissions yet to post images, you will need to talk more before you can

[silent lake]

oh, ok. was asked about my talent layout so was trying to share

oh dang. discord changed. stuff was for hive. joined today and been trying to bounce around

[pseudo fiber]

you can post now

[silent lake]

sweet. I actualy messed up and thought was on hive scum but ill photo my skills to get bombed

[drowsy perch]

imo sac is only worth if its blue-purple or higher, otherwise just discard (or upgrade for free sacs)

you get more xp just by using the weapons

also unrelated

man recon las crit build is crazy

its like i got a minigun because i never stop shooting

[silent lake]

i use power falchion and plasma rifle

[mystic pilot]

"gun"

weird to see it called a rifle

[silent lake]

sorry, thought was rifle in game. gun is right,m next would be cannon in 40k

early 00s tabletop. slang from the two people I knew that had white dwarf

[tall torrent]

it is actually called a rifle in game code

[silent lake]

wel there is techinqualy correct. the best kind

but anyhow. that setup ahs been working well. main problem is i feel others are going to slow after I clear paths

havent tried damnation yet. being rando has that extra scary factor

[orchid hemlock]

It's never anyone else's fault

Learn to play every match as solo

[silent lake]

I try to but hands get tired. sometimes me cloak doesnt pop and I eat a chainsword. such is life

mainly i get chipped from person behind me not being able to handle minor horde and they run away. I get hit in back

[wild vortex]

trying to approach ASS with this mentality but it's truly an ASS experience

[barren nimbus]

Asking here cause people in general chat are clueless usually, but do I need scoreboard for Power_DI to work

[wild vortex]

most of the folks in maelstroms are noticeably worse than regular auric players

[calm shard]

no

[barren nimbus]

I got to the end of the game and nothing came up as stats

[calm shard]

Power DI does not come up at the end of matches automatically yes

Or at least not by default

[barren nimbus]

It looked like this but nothing on the right/middle

[calm shard]

I regret to inform you of this but that DH was infact always there

You can see the mist surrounding it throughout the entire clip

[tall torrent]

wdym right/middle

[willow rain]

LMFAO FALL DAMAGE

[livid hill]

Rifle is coolee

[calm shard]

also ain't it a bit weird that DHs like float at you but can fall to their death?

[hollow ibex]

Maybe they can levitate

But need a hard surface underneath

[livid hill]

Tbh i think the biggest thing that makes me play reconlas is just that it looks very cool

[drowsy perch]

sometimes its completely silent so i didnt notice

[livid hill]

Its got those lines

[hollow ibex]

If you’re on PC then the mod danger zone makes it very obvious

Otherwise watch for the mist

And the frost screen overlay when you get close

[junior grail]

Been avoiding DH so much, forgotten how to fight her

Wishing there's a boss that transforms into a daemon, like one in VT2

[drowsy perch]

idk how to even fight a DH unless you got them good stuns

[hollow ibex]

Ledge them

[tall torrent]

dodge their atks

if u wanna practice vs them in meat grinder u need lag simulation mod

otherwise their attacks are basically undodgeable

[drifting verge]

Yo can anyone help my friend out with the 90% accuracy penance we’re gonna cheese it I just need people to replace the bots

[drowsy perch]

an easy way to do it is run revolver/low ammo guns and just be very careful with aiming until theyre out

[drifting verge]

Moth

Anyway yeah I know

[drowsy perch]

yeye

also if you just dont want bots but are fine with missing players u can just wait for the bots to die

[split swan]

For a weapon specialist build (Revolver/Rashad) how important is Agile Engagement? I want to take stam regen boost right below fully loaded

Auric only

[hollow ibex]

pretty important

AE is basically just begged to be paired with WS

[split swan]

I figured as much but cant think of anything to trade for it

Current build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0295f18-812c-48fc-95ea-8cb96db790de/ws-rashad-revolver

[hollow ibex]

could drop sup complex

tho really i don't think you need the stam node

[split swan]

Even sup complex feels too good to drop

[orchid hemlock]

You can also drop ammo

[tall torrent]

ammo

[hollow ibex]

he wants the stam node

[split swan]

Gotta keep ammo to reach the node

[tall torrent]

then u kinda just gotta give up dmg

which I don't think is a good trade

[split swan]

Not even sure its worth getting, just thinking if the extra stamina would help

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah is the stam node that important?

[split swan]

I notice I struggle but I think its coming from overusing rashad push atks

[hollow ibex]

you don't need PA outside of ragers really

[orchid hemlock]

PA does very little damage

You only use it for CC

This isn't Arby maul 😞

[split swan]

Just gonna be better about using it less - thanks all

[arctic ridge]

Free sacs?

[drowsy perch]

well not free

but if you have a bunch of money and plasteel you can buy a bunch of duplicates, upgrade to blue, and then sac

[wild vortex]

Green and sac is more efficient

Much more so in fact

[drowsy perch]

idk how much levels actually change it

blue is just the last elvel before you spend dia

[unreal nova]

Still better value per green than going to blue generally. Unless you sacrificing random drops.

At that point, they are just random trash drops so meh.

Power lvls make the biggest difference imo.

But no point upgrading to sacrifice.

[drowsy perch]

i had like 20k plasteel that i was gaining more then i was spending

so i just did it anywyas

[unreal nova]

It's your choice anyway. Just stating it's more cost for less value in sense.

[slender elm]

I am alive

Why is bistol mid

[austere mica]

Idk

It is though

[unreal nova]

Cos it fails breakpoints by like 4 damage.

[slender elm]

Damn

On what target

[unreal nova]

Just shoot things once in the head on auric psykhanium.

You'll see

Lethal prox+puncture, flak+maniac.

[tall torrent]

more like 67~150 ish

but yea

[slender elm]

I assume it doesn't apply to my diff...

[unreal nova]

Some is after puncture bleedout lul.

[slender elm]

Which is dam

[tall torrent]

it does

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[slender elm]

Sad

[unreal nova]

The gun is like, 2 headshots to kill.

Puncture is for bosses only, lul.

It needs a damage buff to be decent.

Assuming they also absolutely cannot fix the borked recoil.

[drowsy perch]

yeah i feel like all the bolt guns would be better if the recoil wasnt so weird

[slender elm]

Genuinely cant tell what the recoil is over the exploded corpses of my enemies

But I've not used them much

[tidal fox]

the recoil is very bad

often detrimental against snipers when I use it

[wild vortex]

this is fake right

[narrow frost]

reah

yeah

[wild vortex]

game's really tried my patience today

[lunar maple]

Kratos is the size of wolverine

[tulip ivy]

Holy moly Kratos is a manlet

[lunar maple]

I encountered him a whileeeee back

[thorny sluice]

awwww

he's so precious

[lunar maple]

Still remember this fondly

He was really strong too lmao

[drowsy perch]

yeah, ive been running them and i do really like the spearhead but the recoil is like, after a few shots you end up needing to aim to the right of enemies to hit them because the recoil puts the gun pointing left

[tidal fox]

ye but it depends on how good your aim is as well

cause you can slowly build muscle memory with the recoil and just move ur movement keys to aim

but with sniper long shots it becomes a problem

cause it sways

[drowsy perch]

yeah i usually just end up forgetting how bad the recoil is since i rarely magdump

[tidal fox]

also the ammo is pretty bad as well

like 75 or 80 shots?

[drowsy perch]

spearhead is 120 i think

boltgun is around 70-80

the perks that add extra ammo to your clip is nice for them

instead of 12 you can get 19 with spearhead in a clip

[tidal fox]

yeah but I'd rather those points go elsewhere cause veteran is pretty demanding

[drowsy perch]

true

ive been running las crit build

[tidal fox]

I tried running that but I find the shout support build much more valuable

or for carrying, at least

[drowsy perch]

when it works it REALLY works

and then elsewise its just good allrounder

except for armor

i honestly feel like the "las weapons dont lose ammo on crit" while having a veteran crit build is stil crazy

i shoot 300 rounds but have only lost like 20

[patent moth]

ķŕàțºș

[tepid otter]

kratos at home

[lyric path]

so you mean to tell me carapace is hard to kill??

@gentle lake

[gentle lake]

pffffffttttttt

hah

hold on lets see uhh

[gentle lake]

That appears to be the exact same weapon and mark he is using in the video

could he be

running it talentless?

[lyric path]

oh 100% i bet

[gentle lake]

imma test it out myself

rn

Oh I see now

You usin dis

Which helps a lot especially with carapace

wonder how good it is on recon

Oh it definitely helps a lot when it comes to killing carapace

annnd my game crashed 😭

Either way

weird argument

[latent star]

IMO- try rending crit talent on handgun, PBS and Surgical are overkill and 60% rend on crit is nuts. Unless the longshot node is getting you breakpoints (I don't think it is) I'd run weapon swap instead.

[midnight galleon]

which grenade would you guys swear by for Vet?

[gentle lake]

krak always reliable

[latent star]

Krak is the right choice most of the time. Frag are decent but other classes have as good or better horde clear options. Krak means you don't really need to care about armor pen in your build.

[distant mural]

Why frag if i can just kill em

With my bare hands

[latent star]

If you want to do a grenade focus build with frag you can get some huge bleed aoe clear and it's not bad at all but you could also just run kraks and instantly delete the scariest foes

Also decent against bosses which many vet builds can struggle with

[swift wagon]

Have u tried licking them?

[midnight galleon]

I figured Krak was the best

But I didn't know if there was like, some secret I don't know

[latent star]

You gotta run the +damage node with it though

Or it won't 1 hit crushers

[midnight galleon]

yeh of course

I really don't like the stealth blitz haha

[latent star]

It's pretty weak on vet

[swift wagon]

But imagine all the tough situations u can sneak out on because u weren't able to kill em because u took the stealth route?

[latent star]

See 3 hive scum in team

Take stealth

Yes.

You are my tanks now.

[midnight galleon]

Hive scum skill issue

[marsh kestrel]

what's the best vet keystone for the zarona revolver?

[slender elm]

Zarona is not very good on vet imo

Mostly because you want it to snipe specials and armor?

But the ammo economy is bad and the reload is bad

It just has low uptime

[midnight galleon]

I really like the revolver but yeah, that reload speed is not the best

[slender elm]

vet just has better guns that does either of the things zarona revolver does

like helbore

[dry cloak]

Zarona is quickdraw special removal

[steep flower]

That is an absolute
Is in fact the best on vet even as a special sniper for various reasons;

1. Weakspot dmg increase that vet has amplifies the revolvers potential
2. Suppresion immunity of vet nullifies the main weakness of the weapon
3. Reload is not a problem either cause ‚tactical reload’ and even ‚volley adept’ talents exist (hell; even 10% reload spd grey node is there ; use tac reload tho its still the best)
4. Ammo problem is mitigated to a degree cause survivalist is still goated

[steep flower]

Use tac reload

[slender elm]

eh...

are you just sniping specials then

[steep flower]

Yes & gunners, even shooters if you have to

You should never shoot maulers & crushers cause carapace (body is last ditch resort, ragers can still be shot, same for shotgunners)

[slender elm]

what's the build? exestance mmf?

[steep flower]

Can shine even without mmf imo
Ability does not matter that much, maybe for havoc breakpoints but imagine taking exec stance & forgoing free stagger of voc

[slender elm]

i've not been playing with voc recently

only exestance and infiltrate

[split swan]

Ive been running zarona with weapon spec paired with always prepared

[slender elm]

on the other hand, free reloads from ws sound very nice

[split swan]

1. Quick draw speed allows for quick kills to enhance melee speed/dmg

2. Vet suppression removal allows for sniping and removes weapons weakness

3. I take the extra ammo node for comfort but survivalist works well here too

[steep flower]

AP not required; loses potency when you have to shoot more than once & can’t get a melee kill
Use tac reload

AP is best for very small & very big magazines
So Double Barrel & Plasma basically

[slender elm]

welp, not sure if zarona is enough shooting for me

[distant mural]

I wouldnt take exec stance with revolver cause if the reload

Cant really keep it up effectively

[steep flower]

Tac reload solves the issue

[distant mural]

Im not sure

Depends how long it takes

[steep flower]

It does; try it

[steep flower]

Its very fast; see for yourself

[distant mural]

Ok

[slender elm]

i keep thinking the bloody thing is a 6 shot chamber but no, you need to reload after 4 shots

with tact reload

[steep flower]

Its the most reliable tho

You’ll just have to pay attention more

[slender elm]

i just run las pistol or always prepared

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep flower]

An option with AP but then you’re more into melee than range

Cause reload base can take time

And if there will be a situation where you won’t be able to rush the ranged units its gonna bite you in the end

[distant mural]

The other reload talent is really good too especially if u consitently one shot.

I usually take both for gun-fu

[slender elm]

why must games do this tho

[slender elm]

i really prefer to just frag those bastards

[tame lodge]

🥀

[unreal nova]

So, shoot with rending vraks instead?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[lyric path]

found a newbie veteran

[livid hill]

Teehee

Dont

Thats the point

[tame granite]

you either have a build that one hits them or you die

easy enough

[split swan]

I'll give that a shot, I would appreciate the grenade speed from One Motion as well

[steep flower]

The problem with volley adept is that if you have to cancel the reload before fully loading or fight shooters your reload becomes worse while tac reload is always active as long as you have 1 bullet (even if you empty your chamber you can reload 1, cancel & reload the rest with tac reload active)
Same applies to combat shotguns

[steep flower]

OM always cause always works, especially for shredders

[slender elm]

hmmm

im looking at a psyker with 238 max hp

hmmmmm

[unreal nova]

Once you get used to it, you'll miss it if you choose to run tac reload.

[slender elm]

i just accidentally killed a mauler by shooting at it with las pistol

i assume it was wounded?...

no way i killed it at full hp

in the head

lol

[unreal nova]

Finesse is one hell of a drug.

[slender elm]

i didnt do it on purpose ._.

reflexively clicked on head

[unreal nova]

Still.

[slender elm]

he ded

[unreal nova]

That dinky little laspistol is no joke. Is just a pain on the finger and requires critical headshots.

But if you get said crit weakspot hits, lul.

[slender elm]

still having difficulty shooting bursters before they get in range sadly

Also feeling kinda bad for the oggy carrying a rock around me

[unreal nova]

That's why I just vraks them.

[slender elm]

Fair

[distant mural]

Yeah thats true but 55% reload speed goes hard.

[steep flower]

In practice 25% is enough

[livid hill]

If you build right, you can basically get a 100% increase on ur shotgun reload on vet

With talents and blessings

Like the partial reload talent + the 25% clip size

+speedload +both barrels + the one where you get reload speed for killing specials

[livid hill]

ENOUGH IS A MYTH

[swift wagon]

Speedrun to no ammo when?

[unreal nova]

Begging the blu reload stimm supply scum to help?

[mint kiln]

i have a question

for vet which is better, shock maul and dueling sword?

[narrow widget]

dueling sword > smaul imo but power sword >>>>> everything else if you want to play the """best"""

[mint kiln]

ty, which mark of the power sword? i feel like it’s only for clearing horde of trashes