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#veteran-class
turbid ibex
dull sage
Drive me closer so that I may hit him with my sword
desert viper
mobi
turbid ibex
Morbi
ember nest
I missed me too 
desert viper
ember nest
I have been consumed by arknights
desert viper
YAAAAAY
desert viper
I have been consumed by arknights
true
turbid ibex
None of the penances
slender elm
im kinda enjoying the bullshit that is stupid frag grenades from invis
mostly because bistol swapping without needing to reload is very nice
slender elm
On the other hand, I can underhand throw frags without breaking stealth
Does the damage apply?
Nvm it does
dense belfry
What Taxe mark was good against carapace again?
hollow ibex
What Taxe mark was good against carapace again?
none of them are particularly impressive against cara
they're ok
7 is the best mark'
dense belfry
Do i get this?
dense belfry
Never used a plasma before, it good against carapace?
dense belfry
What guns are good against carapace, if they even exist?
Do we not have a decent ranged anti-armor option at all?
tame lodge
Helbore
dense belfry
That it?
tame lodge
Hand Cannon Zarona Revolver
turbid ibex
Needler
hollow ibex
VAG can be pretty decent against crushers
tbh on vet
most weapons can be made to shred crushers
hollow ibex
HIV weapon
turbid ibex
Needle pistol
dense belfry
Oh. That one.
tame lodge
The rule of thumb is that there's no ranged against carapace
Except Helbore because helby is just that goated
hollow ibex
The rule of thumb is that there's no ranged against carapace
well if you go full meme and run 15 stacks mmf
dense belfry
The rule of thumb is that there's no ranged against carapace
Carapace having next to no counter sounds kind of busted.
hollow ibex
a lot of things will shred carapace
hollow ibex
Carapace having next to no counter sounds kind of busted.
there's a lot of ways to counter carapace
dense belfry
there's a lot of ways to counter carapace
With a build for it, sure. But if you're not built for it, you don't have a good option, right?
hollow ibex
you should always build to have an answer for carapace
on vet it's particularly easy
you can just take kraks
every kit should have an answer for everything the game throws against you
hordes, mixed hordes, bulwark/crusher spam, bosses, specialist removal
this isn't like a hero shooter where you're a healer or tank
everyone does everything
dense belfry
I suppose that's a new way of looking at things.
hollow ibex
eh not particularly, it's always been how the game is set up, at least for as long as i've been playing it
there's more specialization in havoc with prebuilt teams
but that's an anomaly
dense belfry
Yeah, who plays havoc anymore? Especially with how OtT crusher spawns can be normally.
random sage
Buffing Crusher HP still feels like such a knee jerk response, especially since it really just made the things that kill them fast even more needed
dense belfry
Buffing Crusher HP still feels like such a knee jerk response, especially since ...
Especially when they can have more effective hp than a chaos spawn (ranged weapons especially).
hexed arch
i love the laspistol
real loom
every kit should have an answer for everything the game throws against you
Some class builds dont always have answer to everything and are still strong
Like trauma and fire psyker dont rlly have answer to boss spam
leaden condor
Buffing Crusher HP still feels like such a knee jerk response, especially since ...
God forbid they nerf psyker
hollow ibex
Like trauma and fire psyker dont rlly have answer to boss spam
many psykers forget this, but they have an entire other weapon slot that isn't their staff
hollow ibex
Some class builds dont always have answer to everything and are still strong
i mean you can do a helbore build and never pull out your melee, shooting all game
will you still be strong? yeah
is it a good idea? no
random sage
many psykers forget this, but they have an *entire other* weapon slot that isn't...
That also conveniently has the humble dueling sword
hollow ibex
yup
real loom
i mean you can do a helbore build and never pull out your melee, shooting all ga...
Helbore vets need horde peel
hollow ibex
yeah good luck with that in pub matches
real loom
I saw videos of ppl using helbore vet h40 and they need people covering them always and they play with the best players
hollow ibex
lol
yeah with coordinated teams on mics, it's obviously a different story
like i said above
real loom
Plasma vet has almost no weaknesses
dry cloak
plasma is bad
hollow ibex
and also sucks against bosses
real loom
Plasma for special/rager/mauler
dry cloak
only quality is cleave
real loom
Psword for horde and bosses
Krak for crushers and bulwarks
If you invest in right tree it makes psword horde clear and kill armor pretty easily
turbid ibex
you automatically have a well-rounded build
What about a well squared build
How do you get one
dense belfry
you automatically have a well-rounded build
Assuming you can be assed to power up the piece of crap.
leaden condor
Do everything melee in exchange for being annoying as shit to use
dense belfry
I'd rather use the chainsword to be honest.
Complete inverse of the PS
Good melee damage at the cost of a special that might be a hindrance if you use it at the wrong time.
leaden condor
Chainsword's special is what a special should be
hollow ibex
Assuming you can be assed to power up the piece of crap.
Well itâs the strongest melee in the game
So itâs worth the effort
dense belfry
Well itâs the strongest melee in the game
Correction, it's alt mode is the strongest weapon in the game. If it was the strongest weapon by default, it wouldn't be a pos when unpowered.
Either that or cleave targets isn't the dump stat and i've been lied to again...
serene bough
Chainsword's special is what a special *should* be
I would much prefer it changes the moveset and enemy focus
I.e. it swaps the moveset and dmg profile to swap between AoE and single target dmg
stuck gorge
Either that or cleave targets isn't the dump stat and i've been lied to again...
cleave targets is the dumpstat since powered mode adds like 10 ish flat cleave on powerup
turbid ibex
I.e. it swaps the moveset and dmg profile to swap between AoE and single target ...
Like the crowbar?
hollow ibex
Correction, it's alt mode is the strongest weapon in the game. If it was the str...
Which⌠makes it the strongest melee in the game
Hate it all you want, doesnât change the facts
steep flower
Correction, it's alt mode is the strongest weapon in the game. If it was the str...
And also after using a mandatory blessing otherwise its dogshit too
Just 1 hit
dense belfry
You get overrun (inevitability), and you'll struggle.
steep flower
Basically; only special spam weapon with 1 blessing spot
dense belfry
It's so boring, too.
steep flower
It's so boring, too.
Eh; to each their own
tall torrent
You get overrun (inevitability), and you'll struggle.
Nah, push
dense belfry
Click -slash,slash,slash- . click -slash,slash,slash-.
That, Ad infinitum.
tall torrent
Itâs one of the very few weapons where push needs to be part of ur combo
leaden condor
I would much prefer it changes the moveset and enemy focus
Idk I think it works as it is
serene bough
Like the crowbar?
Yeah
real loom
Psword is less boring then dueling sword what everyone uses
leaden condor
It's not that it's boring it's that having to spam specials is just tedious
hollow ibex
You get overrun (inevitability), and you'll struggle.
Try pushing more
Itâs not the easiest weapon to use
And I understand why people hate it
turbid ibex
It's not that it's boring it's that having to spam specials is just tedious
Also fucks with muscle memory for other weapons
At least it does for me with relic blade
tall torrent
Idk I never have that issue
hollow ibex
It hasnât bothered me personally either
But muscle memory prob varies from person to person
real loom
Theres a way to make special take less longer
But I need to learn to do it more
Special+block swing
hollow ibex
Yeah block cancel is basically mandatory
orchid hemlock
PS makes you feel like a god
wild vortex
no thanks I'd rather mindlessly swing my axe and watch everything in front of me disappear
orchid hemlock
And pass on the opportunity to be a god?
Can I kill God? đ¤
tame lodge
𫵠
leaden condor
At least it does for me with relic blade
Relic Blade's moveset is just fantastic in general ngl
marsh condor
Hm. What's the maximum number of bleed stacks again? 16?
marsh condor
Was wondering about which Chain Weapons would benefit more from having Bloodletter.
dry cloak
they would benefit more it it was uniform at 16 stacks
marsh condor
Really, which one? Chainsword or Chainaxe?
tame lodge
Was wondering about which Chain Weapons would benefit more from having Bloodlett...
Thunderous Chainaxe
marsh condor
eviscerator is a chian weapon and gives 16 stacks with blood letter
Which I am excluding from since I'm asking for Veteran.
dry cloak
they would benefit more it it was uniform at 16 stacks
.eh
marsh condor
Thunderous Chainaxe
The damage ticks from bleeding counts as hits for Thunderous, right?
tame lodge
Yup
marsh condor
Ok.
Now for a horrendous thing I am using.
A combat knife with Finesse as the Dump Stat, 25% Maniac/Unyielding, Haymaker and Lacerate.
Using it in an Anti-Ogryn build with a Bolter for man-sized threats.
stable socket
if haymaker is the blessing i'm thinking of, i don't think it works against stuff larger than man-sized
marsh condor
if haymaker is the blessing i'm thinking of, i don't think it works against stuf...
Yes.
silver patrol
that's the chance of instakill on mansized enemies yeah
marsh condor
The Bolter and Krak grenades are the main anti-Ogryn weapons.
The knife is for the rest.
marsh condor
are you running haymaker
I bought the Rolling Bones dice, just to be safe.
marsh condor
are you running haymaker
Mate, the Knife's dump stat here is Finesse.
silver patrol
oh the humanity
silver patrol
is that the ass blessing that applies bleed only on non-weakspot hits
stable socket
i mean it works... in theory... sorta
marsh condor
is that the ass blessing that applies bleed only on non-weakspot hits
Yes.
silver patrol
truly a strange blessing
marsh condor
I am Victor Frankenstein.
stable socket
i don't know how well it holds up to, like, h40 hitmass (or h40 amount of crushers) because i haven't seen someone run that build in havoc but i'm pretty sure it'll be fine in auric
marsh condor
In all seriousness, I was wondering on what to replace Lacerate with.
marsh condor
The bleed is secondary (not really important).
Might swap Unyielding for Stamina, since I found out that push attacks count as "Heavy Attacks".
hollow ibex
Might swap Unyielding for Stamina, since I found out that push attacks count as ...
I donât believe they do
stable socket
according to the guide, knife has an exception for haymaker where push attack apparently can trigger it, but i don't think push attack triggers other heavy attack blessings - it does have a similar (? identical? not sure) damage profile to the heavy though
marsh condor
Yeah, I noticed getting Haymaker stacks when I do push attacks in a match.
Tried again in the Psykhanium against a Mauler, and it works.
viscid sparrow
according to the guide, knife has an exception for haymaker where push attack ap...
as psyker, knife can (or at least the mk6 can, and idk if its still the case) also proc Smite's Electrocution-on-heavy node with the push attack, so I guess either the damage profile is the same, or there's some heavy-attack check variable that applies to knife PAs too...
thorn lark
I donât believe they do
They do. Like taxe and every other PA.
serene pawn
I was wondet by a playg orgrim today
hollow ibex
They do. Like taxe and every other PA.
Nah
Theyâre more the exception than the rule
Most PAs either share profiles with lights or have their own
thorn lark
I was not talking about the dmg. AFAIK they are considered heavies in terms of: does this talent/blessing proce or not
but @tall torrent may know better
tall torrent
I donât believe they do
tac axe push atk is heavy atk
void dragon
question: when would you pick/avoid Taxe or Knife as your melee?
hollow ibex
tac axe push atk is heavy atk
I responded to the guy about this already
thorn lark
Yeah but I was not talking about dmg profile. As for the ''exception'' I am not sure, I have always read PA were considered heavies but that may be specific to some weapons.
hollow ibex
Profile typically refers not just damage but also stagger and cleave
Prob other things as well
All afaik
Havenât actually looked into the games code
tall torrent
I was not talking about the dmg. AFAIK they are considered heavies in terms of: ...
no, it only counts as heavy atk if the push atk uses a heavy atk profile
hollow ibex
no, it only counts as heavy atk if the push atk uses a heavy atk profile
That makes sense
thorn lark
so PA on the knife is considered heavy too?
or is it just the attack following the punch?
swift jolt
question
since when did the Antax Mk III Conclave-issue Tactical Helm (or the green Veteran helmet with the Rebreather) have a red visor
hollow ibex
since when did the Antax Mk III Conclave-issue Tactical Helm (or the green Veter...
A week ago I think
void dragon
since when did the Antax Mk III Conclave-issue Tactical Helm (or the green Veter...
they added that on the first patch of the year i think
tall torrent
so PA on the knife is considered heavy too?
yez
hollow ibex
sorry but its nowhere near rashad level
jaunty pagoda
does veteran pick up once you get a different ability? the weird focus mode is kind of not it for me atm
wild vortex
sorry but its nowhere near rashad level
Rashad-lite
hollow ibex
does veteran pick up once you get a different ability? the weird focus mode is k...
VOC is an easier ability to learn with
prime wyvern
im playing bolt pistol survivalist and its SUPER ammo hungry
is this normal?
im having to take like 80% of the teams ammo lol
lunar maple
Do you have that one thing that gives you extra ammo?
That helps
Well helps me shoot more with other guns idk bout bolt pistol much
But youâll get more ammo from it
narrow widget
im playing bolt pistol survivalist and its SUPER ammo hungry
how much r u shooting
bistol doesnt have much ammo and if ur shooting a lot a lot then it makes sense
lunar maple
Good point ^
hollow ibex
im playing bolt pistol survivalist and its SUPER ammo hungry
use your melee more
narrow frost
did you hit their head
cerulean flume
Yes
slender elm
Did you get the right build
slender elm
What the heck is survivalist
dry cloak
What the heck is survivalist
Ammo regen aura
slender elm
Oh the aura
Taking anything else is practically heresy so I dont remember the name lel
prime wyvern
bistol doesnt have much ammo and if ur shooting a lot a lot then it makes sense
yeah I was probably having to use it too much
dry cloak
First of all its not heresy
prime wyvern
this hardened skin is really fking with my ammo economy
slender elm
Heretic
prime wyvern
if im not hitting heads everything is taking like 3-4 shots to kill
dry cloak
Unless you talking havoc then sure
slender elm
this hardened skin is really fking with my ammo economy
Rot armor?
prime wyvern
no
slender elm
What u talking about?
narrow frost
pus skin
prime wyvern
""Some of the enemies in this sector have been "blessed" by their foul gods, hardening their skin."
- Affected enemies are green with lots of drippy particles
- Ranged damage reduction equal to 1 - (10% + 1% * havoc order rank). So higher ranks have less dr, and lower ranks have more dr (89% at rank 1, 50% at rank 40)"
narrow frost
"new" havoc modifier
prime wyvern
I already have my frontline slayer vet ready to go
hybrid plover
yeah just like rotten, dots circumvent the resistance
slender elm
Ok den
hybrid plover
double barrel with manstopper and flechette mogs pus
prime wyvern
yeah just like rotten, dots circumvent the resistance
...
psyker wins again... fk...
slender elm
And keystone?
prime wyvern
weapon specialist
slender elm
Taking puncture is probably wise
I played ws infiltrate bistol yesterday
Ammo economy is not great but you rarely need to reload
prime wyvern
I think I have lethal proximity and point blank on it rn
narrow widget
""Some of the enemies in this sector have been "blessed" by their foul gods, har...
rotton armor hard counters ranged
atp just go for the melee and save ur bullets
prime wyvern
I can try swapping one for puncture
slender elm
Lethal prox is no brainer so you swap point blank I guess
prime wyvern
rotton armor hard counters ranged
atp just go for the melee and save ur bullets
didnt feel like an option in my game tbh
too many gunners
slender elm
It very much depends on usage
narrow widget
idk much abt current breakpoints but when I played puncture let bistol hit some 1 tap breakpoints
narrow widget
too many gunners
chuck a nade and slide in
slender elm
Well he's not headshotting consistently
prime wyvern
waste a krak on gunners??
slender elm
Lul krak
narrow widget
bistol imo works best w frags
slender elm
Defo prefer frag with all these goddamn damage reduction shit going on
narrow widget
cuz you get much more value out of the increased aoe from lethal prox
prime wyvern
ehh... idk. im not sure trading my boss and armor killing was a good idea with our comp
we were destroying bad spikes by kraking out layered spawns
narrow widget
u could use power sword or rashad
slender elm
You have a comp?
prime wyvern
somewhat. it was havoc so we tried to cover our bases
narrow widget
ur supposed to use melee against armor anyway
narrow widget
run and slide towards gunners
slender elm
Or infiltrate, and grenade
prime wyvern
idk... thats taking me out of coherecy into a killing field
ill just try punture
:3
narrow widget
coherency is for nerds
slender elm
Thats what you do on all the other classes...
narrow widget
just know how to keep urself alive and ur fine
slender elm
Dash abilities also ignore range damage during movement
ebon lynx
are kraks better to run than frags or is there a reason to use frags?
dry cloak
Hordes is reason to run frags
Espceially if you run helbore for example
And stagger
Very eide stagger
hollow ibex
yeah it just depends on what you need in the kit
frags are horded/mixed horde/stagger/space generation
kraks are carapace/ogryn/boss damage
ebon lynx
ah aight that makes sense, been playing vet working on masteries and wasnt sure what the big difference was
dry cloak
Kraks are ,,fuck you in particular,, type grenade
ebon lynx
might switch to kraks for a bit, been using plasma and falchion which is already pretty decent for hordes
slender elm
Frags also stagger so you can practically chuck it at anything
tidal fox
might switch to kraks for a bit, been using plasma and falchion which is already...
keep in mind if you want it to deal dmg directly to bosses youll have to hit them
so u need some aim
slender elm
Or play arby and keep chucking kek
junior grail
What about smokes?
Might shame me for this but I find Smokes so much more manageable after installing the Clear Smokes mod
slender elm
Chuck at enemies, screws their aim
Melee enemies also occasionally lose vision and stop trying to hit you
calm shard
What about smokes?
make your local bubble psyker feel inferior with this one easy trick
and also automatically receive -1000 social credit whenever entering a havoc lobby
not because smokes are bad but because the community thinks smokes are bad
narrow frost
Melee enemies also occasionally lose vision and stop trying to hit you
Does not affect melee enemies
calm shard
and then also thinks ranged enemies are super oppressive
slender elm
I've seen someone's video testing with a rager
narrow frost
1 min
calm shard
https://youtu.be/kWNb7mu06As this one
narrow frost
I know what video you are talking about
calm shard
This doesn't really line up with my personal experiences with smokes
narrow frost
I disagree with it
calm shard
And I defend those suckers
narrow frost
1 min
calm shard
Reeks to me of psykanium jank
calm shard
I do, and yeah they don't really help in melee
umbral scaffold
slender elm
Gonna start after I get my krak penance
calm shard
It is very funny to have 3 better psyker domes in your backpocket tho
narrow frost
Smoke cloud effect: 5.5m radius, lasts for 15s; disables HUD nameplates of allies; players inside smoke are considered 'concealed' which alters the line of sight distance requirement of enemies during target selection; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in melee combat, the smoke has no effect on enemy perception; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in ranged combat, then the smoke makes the ranged enemy stop firing and change positions (this includes Sniper; Reaper is less likely to reposition); Gunners and Reaper when they are inside the smoke cloud's area of effect themselves keep firing at a player's last known position; Pox Hounds cannot lock on a player who is inside smoke cloud's area of effect and will keep circling the cloud; Trapper and Flamers need to be closer to players in order to start their shooting action; no effect on Bombers, Mutants, Poxburster
Smoke effects
calm shard
Smoke cloud effect: 5.5m radius, lasts for 15s; disables HUD nameplates of allie...
Slight addition to this is that enemies also cannot draw line of sight through smoke either, not just on people inside of it
narrow frost
The video is just not well tested
calm shard
Reapers and Gunners both have bugged AI when walking+shooting that sometimes allows them to continue firing with no LoS in any scenario smokes included, but the expected behavior of smoke is that ranged enemies should stop shooting instantly
livid crystal
Wha a good spam gun build
junior grail
Wha a good spam gun build
The classic Recon, Exe Stance, Marksman Focus build
calm shard
MMF unfortunately mandatory for funny shoot forever build
you need the stamina for deadshot
slender elm
Whole thing stinky
calm shard
calm shard
recon lasgun is not going to use ammo with deadshot
it is just as infinite as gun scum
or slightly more since you reload less I guess
also Mk XIV recon lasgun has cleave so it actually has good hordeclear
unlike the other two
slender elm
But its so shiiiit
calm shard
it's really not that bad
calm shard
no deadshot means no ammo, FT means no stamina
point wasted on field improv which is solely a tax node because you can't afford serrated blade
you also don't have enough crit for infinite ammo recon
tinker is situational on shredders, and that situation is "you are using bolt pistol+grenadier and committing to spamming them"
silent geyser
How does mmf help with stamina ? (I run mmf with hellbore cuz I like to snipe stuff but I don't see how it gives stamina)
junior grail
How does mmf help with stamina ? (I run mmf with hellbore cuz I like to snipe st...
The right subnode, it gives back stamina
silent geyser
The right subnode, it gives back stamina
Oh yeah thx seems I can't read two lines
astral breach
Is there anything lawbringer variant does better over the mk 1 on falchion?
distant mural
Is there anything lawbringer variant does better over the mk 1 on falchion?
Just different moveset really.
astral breach
Just different moveset really.
Ah I was trying to mess around with it but it felt awkward to use ngl
distant mural
Ah I was trying to mess around with it but it felt awkward to use ngl
Its kind of good aw long as its powered.
And it has more dodges then the normal powersword.
A little but safer and more mobile.
calm shard
Ah I was trying to mess around with it but it felt awkward to use ngl
yeah cause it SUCKS
south river
yeah cause it **SUCKS**
ebon lynx
just tried the helbore for the first time, it is not very good at all lol
steep flower
point wasted on field improv which is solely a tax node because you can't afford...
Hush hyena; FI is where its at
sweet coyote
just tried the helbore for the first time, it is not very good at all lol
Man, it's the BEST rifle. I have tried them all.
calm shard
just tried the helbore for the first time, it is not very good at all lol
https://fximgur.com/a/Kx8MGGw cry about it
sweet coyote
just tried the helbore for the first time, it is not very good at all lol
With a couple mods and using the right mark/build/blessings it's a beast. On par with plasma, but with less cleave. More sustained DPS.
calm shard
don't really need mods for the helbore
sweet coyote
Full auto hellbore into a beast of nurgle? Bye bye
calm shard
or you can do it by learning the timing yourself :)
sweet coyote
Nah, DPS is way higher. You can't time it that fast.
Say I average around 4k dps manually, same mark and everything if I use full auto mod, I hit 6k
Also cuts down on another thing you have to put computation and skill into, you can just hold down button and click. Focus on positioning instead of timing shots
For that I think the MK 5 is slept on like hell. The fast charge, and with unyielding/carapace you hit the same breakpoints as 3a.
Same per shot to bring a crusher down, but much faster shots.
calm shard
Nah, DPS is way higher. You can't time it that fast.
you can't maybe
I may not be perfect but I'm sure as shit not going to be getting a 50% increase just from a mod correcting my rhythm xd
And besides that learning shot rhythm is a skill component for the helbores
And especially for the Mk IV partial charged shots and learning those breakpoints is important too
sweet coyote
Ok, give me a few.
calm shard
takes ~1/4 charge to 1 shot headshot dreg gunners
about 1/3 for scab gunners
1/3 for flamers as well
sweet coyote
My argument is that ROT will always win, it's forgiving and flexible. Since ammo is a non factor on hellbore with shock trooper.
ebon lynx
Yeah it just isnt for me, id much rather use bolt or plasma
south river
https://fximgur.com/a/Kx8MGGw cry about it
Is that a mod??
distant mural
Nah, DPS is way higher. You can't time it that fast.
So u are basically cheating
frigid egret
I love playing hellbore, I'm an auric scrub but I love to sit back and snipe specialists, especially those trying to sneak up from behind
sweet coyote
So u are basically cheating<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Sure. I have every mod I can find to make my life easier without going full on aimbot. Arguing against automatic commands/macros etc is pointless, you're never going to be as good as the machine in timing.
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/jhpdn9y humongous helbore
tame lodge
I don't want to be that guy
But if you say that Helbore is not good then it's a skill issue
If you say that it's annoying, yeah understandable
If say that it's not for you, yeah understandable
I was lying, I definitely wanted to be that guy
atomic void
https://youtu.be/S-VJcGcxfso?si=mA_kXRg2smaNhifT
death to macros
might as well macro everything and go afk 
distant mural
Sure. I have every mod I can find to make my life easier without going full on a...
And that is exactly why its cheating.
Stay coping
sweet coyote
.shrug
patent moth
slender elm
no deadshot means no ammo, FT means no stamina
Wth do you mean I cant afford serrated blade
calm shard
I mean that FI is a node you should only take
If you cannot spend the extra talent point to path through serrated blade instead
quaint marsh
https://fximgur.com/a/Kx8MGGw cry about it
Is that weapon sight from weapon mod, or is it part of that skin
calm shard
Is that weapon sight from weapon mod, or is it part of that skin
entirely modded
the only thing that isn't a mod is the weapon camo itself
Which is the "Fireclaw" camo pattern
was sold a long ass time ago
800 aquilas and it was that orange/red tigerstripe camo for every weapon currently in the game
slender elm
whatever, more grenades for everyone
actually doesnt deadshot consume stamina per shot
how the fuck do you even have a stamina bar
if you're recon las
unreal nova
how the fuck do you even have a stamina bar
Stam regen nodes.
slender elm
is it enough?
unreal nova
is it enough?
Dunno. I never run deadshot.
slender elm
lol imma go try it out and see if i dont immediately die of exhaustion
yep, no stamina UNLESS you headshot poxer hordes
sigh
unreal nova
yep, no stamina UNLESS you headshot poxer hordes
Well, explains why randos shoot hordes. XD
slender elm
if this is the build being spread around, then yes
your stamina consumption is completely relying on headshotting trash
else u have none to work with in a regular combat scenario
unreal nova
if this is the build being spread around, then yes
Likely.
serene bough
https://youtu.be/S-VJcGcxfso?si=mA_kXRg2smaNhifT
This doesn't seem fair
slender elm
tool assisted bullshit
unreal nova
This doesn't seem fair
People cheat but claim not to. Worst ones mock vanilla players.
serene bough
I guess if its a downloadable mod its free game to use, but still feels wrong its included imo
slender elm
People cheat but claim not to. Worst ones mock vanilla players.
typical cheater behaviour
unreal nova
typical cheater behaviour
I usually don't care if they just keep it to themselves and not talk about it. If one needs help to play, well, they need assistance.
analog mural
If running healthbars makes me a cheater, so be it. I'll cheat all day
unreal nova
but we already see healthbars on each other <:hmmgryn:1022192304154484767>
The health bar mod just makes it easier to know if there's enemies on like lights out and other blind modifiers. Also what to hit first if you need to decide. Extra info type of cheats.
Those are less of an issue than say Skitarius or aimbots where it more visibly offers a clear advantage.
inland orchid
oh i was moreso making a shitty joke bout multiple hp bars over a rejects head
mods or no mods enjoy the tiding however you please
for canon purposes ima assume said modders got fancy servo skulls giving them auspex
slender elm
is it me or does the fucking crusher overhead track you
i keep dodging to the side and get slammed anyway
tame lodge
They're harder to dodge
If an inch of your character is in the splash zone you get dunked on
unreal nova
is it me or does the fucking crusher overhead track you
With lag, mormal. Mistimed dodge, also normal.
slender elm
possible but fucking hell
it has happened too many times
i need to adjust my approach
analog mural
There are two types of crusher overhead. One where he stays in roughly the same spot, and one where he follows you if you try to dodge back too quickly
If you want them to do the stationary attack, you have to stick close to them then dodge as late as you can
The problem is when there is a group of crushers that are staggering their attack timings so you can't afford to stay close and risk an overhead
distant mural
If running healthbars makes me a cheater, so be it. I'll cheat all day
I only consider it cheating if it does something for you you couldnt do by yourself for example macros or spidey sense or full auto mods.
If its just qol nobody cares.
Healthbars wont make u better at the game
analog mural
You can keep track of the exact health values of all enemies in the game?
It noticeably improves your decision making
distant mural
It noticeably improves your decision making
I pretty much got it in my head at this point yeah
I roughly know how many hits it takes with each weapon.
I also just hate healthbars
analog mural
Sure roughly. But that doesn't account for the damage already done by teammates, or any other factors
distant mural
Yeah true
I mean i dont really consider it an unfair advantage tho
Its just healthbars after all
unreal nova
I mean i dont really consider it an unfair advantage tho
It is unfair, but not to the extent of skitarius or aimbots. Unless someone wants to prove to me they can consistently pull off a commonly skitarius combo at the same rate and accuracy (I mean more in the, not messing or slowing down) of it for a full H40.
slender elm
we are not machines and that's why we have machines helping us
but at the same time, if you abuse the machine you might as well ask a robot to fuck your wife
unreal nova
but at the same time, if you abuse the machine you might as well ask a robot to ...
Funny part is, chances are, the robot will do better.
distant mural
It is unfair, but not to the extent of skitarius or aimbots. Unless someone want...
I kinda see the point how it would help u but its one of the mods i dont really mind if someone is using it.
slender elm
it probably will but then, you're supposed to enjoy the experience
Why live if you don't even enjoy these things yourself
unreal nova
I kinda see the point how it would help u but its one of the mods i dont really ...
It's just not apparantly visible so as long as the person using it isn't screaming about hitting the lowest hp whatever, I don't care. If they are, then they need to get it in their brains that not everyone runs it.
distant mural
It's just not apparantly visible so as long as the person using it isn't screami...
Yeah
unreal nova
it probably will but then, you're supposed to enjoy the experience
Well, the wife is enjoying it so... She benefits?
slender elm
again, it leaves yourself out of the equation
unreal nova
again, it leaves yourself out of the equation
You can just go play more.
slender elm
@tall torrent eh im looking at the chainsword combos and there seems to be an error with mk13g?
im not sure how you're supposed to get light 3 -> light 2 -> light 1
slender elm
You can just go play more.
why have a wife
distant mural
why have a wife
slender elm
sigh
man, i just got fucking run down by 12 crushers
out of nowhere
not a special mode or anything
unreal nova
man, i just got fucking run down by 12 crushers
A classic.
And FS doesn't read complains.
Why ppl care so much about cara dealing weapons.
Cos of bs like that.
12 maulers, sure.
slender elm
spent all my kraks and there was still 5
unreal nova
12 crushers force it.
slender elm
team also somehow fucking off looting
steep flower
Isn't that what some do?
Its degenerate behavior
It ainât a fking toy you wave infront of your litterbox friends for them to be jealous of
Vice versa the other way around too
serene bough
I kinda see the point how it would help u but its one of the mods i dont really ...
I hold the view that mods such as these are not cheating per se, but moreso the player needs training wheels to preform better
Its definitely information that gives an advantage but the information should come with game knowledge and skill as opposed to a mod
unreal nova
Its degenerate behavior
But some still do that. Is why the snark.
marsh kestrel
wsg my fellow vets, can ya'll tell me if this build is good?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d75118-8def-459a-bfc6-c664a1f48103/big-iron-vet
turbid ibex
what the fuck is that
hollow ibex
looks like a revolver sniper build?
you're gonna have a bad time without the 25% ammo node unless you're shameless about hogging all the ammo
or you spend most of your time meleeing, in which case why bother with the build
turbid ibex
it doesnt even have weapon specialist
hollow ibex
yeah i wouldn't skip keystones
and also wouldn't take tinkerer on frags
would prob drop exhil takedown as well
and take an actual melee weapon instead of smaul
and a hp curio instead of toughness
turbid ibex
general rule of thumb: dont fucking trust random gameslantern builds
dry cloak
smaul is a actual melee
hollow ibex
general rule of thumb: dont fucking trust random gameslantern builds
im assuming they made this one
hollow ibex
smaul is a actual melee
now that's just copium
dry cloak
now that's just copium
why i use it all the time and it works
turbid ibex
no you dont
marsh kestrel
general rule of thumb: dont fucking trust random gameslantern builds
đ
well fuck me sideways
what do ya'll suggest then?
I just wanna be a space cowboy
turbid ibex
if the big iron is gonna be killing heavies
its not really
for crushers and bulwarks youre still gonna want to throw kraks
turbid ibex
no?
turbid ibex
revolver is a damn good sniping gun for specialists and most elites
turbid ibex
tried reddit
yeah reddit sucks
turbid ibex
it can ig?
marsh kestrel
but?
turbid ibex
i'd still rather throw a krak and not have to bother with them
specially since it can sometimes multikill if theyre packed together
and it also deals with bulwarks
marsh kestrel
and it also deals with bulwarks
the gun or the nade?
marsh kestrel
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0fe3294-750c-4a3f-aba4-f82739cc1477/bi...
that name dude
low blow
nah jk
I'll check it out
can I maybe still use the smaul?
it's safe
turbid ibex
again if not on high havocs you can swap out tinkerer for whatever else
marsh kestrel
good at horde clear (not fast at it)
and plenty of utility
btw if I'm not gonna be killing crushers with it
why not the other iron?
turbid ibex
because zarona has better breakpoints and an actual ads
marsh kestrel
ammo eficiency is probably an issue too
turbid ibex
eh idk
turbid ibex
you have survivalist and pretty much everything you'd want to shoot at dies in one tap
turbid ibex
zarona is the better one overall
marsh kestrel
ok ok
turbid ibex
for sniping specialists and elites
marsh kestrel
tru
also couple questions about the bigger iron build
why no exh takedown?
why no deadshot?
why no marksman?
turbid ibex
why no deadshot?
unnecessary cause already have weapon specialist
hollow ibex
what sort of build is it intended to be to begin with?
like primarily a shooting build?
marsh kestrel
unnecessary cause already have weapon specialist
oh yeah, forgot
hollow ibex
or primarily a melee build with revolver?
turbid ibex
why no exh takedown?
not really needed when you have confirmed kill
marsh kestrel
like primarily a shooting build?
I mean it's literally called big iron vet
turbid ibex
why no marksman?
not very good
marsh kestrel
gonna be shooting the big iron a lot
turbid ibex
you will but youll also be meleeing a lot
revolver aint a lasgun so it wont get you infinite ammo privileges
marsh kestrel
yeah
but can I still use the smaul?
like I said
safe, plenty of utility
good but slow horde clear
marsh kestrel
I like it
haven't used it either tho
but from what I've seen
and heard
I'd like it
turbid ibex
is mid
turbid ibex
try it out ig
marsh kestrel
how many conditional buffs is this gonna have?
do I gotta do a whole ass ritual before each shot or?
hollow ibex
gonna be shooting the big iron a lot
turbid ibex
and if it doesnt work out use power sword
hollow ibex
this is what i run on a snipervolver build
marsh kestrel
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205/re...
a lot closer to mine
turbid ibex
no exploit weakness?
marsh kestrel
you have agile engagement
turbid ibex
or superiority complex?
hollow ibex
i may drop grenadier for sc
marsh kestrel
or superiority complex?
that too
hollow ibex
SC doesn't really change breakpoints
unless you have ES off
yeah nvm i'm not taking SC, not worth dropping grenadier for
with ES on you can one-shot reaper and 2-shot crushers pretty reliably with crit
no need to take SC
ES already has such stupidly high uptime
hollow ibex
not particularly
marsh kestrel
like do I gotta activate skirmisher, agile engagement, exploit weakness and mark for every big guy or?
what are the breakpoints?
marsh kestrel
my bad
was looking at the other build
wait no I wasn't
you don't have ES
holy shit I'm an ogryn
hollow ibex
oh yeah no EW
marsh kestrel
can you test it and tell me which buffs I need for enemies?
hollow ibex
if i went all right side i'd be running a melee build
hollow ibex
can you test it and tell me which buffs I need for enemies?
ES and crit covers everything basically
marsh kestrel
when it's on cooldown?
hollow ibex
will need skirm and prob AE
you could drop gren for more reliable breakpoints
but ES has such high uptime that id c
hollow ibex
i'd rather have gren
marsh kestrel
since you'll be sprinting, sliding and killing with melee
hollow ibex
yeah there's always going to be hordes that you need to melee anyway
hollow ibex
it's not terribly different from your build, no
marsh kestrel
do I really need reciprocity?
hollow ibex
it's a really good idea to have it
hollow ibex
What else are you going to take in that row anyway lol
And more crit is always good
Both for melee and for snapshots
Revolver is extremely dependent on crit
hollow ibex
So increasing reliability is good
hollow ibex
duck and dive
Waste of a talent outside of meme builds
hollow ibex
Reciprocity is just much stronger
marsh kestrel
and ur sure this build will be good?
hollow ibex
You never really run low on stam even with deadshot
marsh kestrel
what was bad with mine btw?
hollow ibex
and ur sure this build will be good?
Well it was when I last played it
hollow ibex
what was bad with mine btw?
Prob just the things I listed above earlier
Though some is more preference
marsh kestrel
Well it was when I last played it
and that was how long ago?
hollow ibex
Than objective fact
marsh kestrel
cuz shit changes
hollow ibex
and that was how long ago?
An hour ago? Idk
marsh kestrel
ok
I was thinking it was older
perfect then
I hope to Emprah this shit works
prolly will
trim badger
do I really need reciprocity?
25% crit chance is good
worthy bramble
What's a melee weapon that works well with the bolter (I'm addicted to this gun)
hollow ibex
Falch or Taxe
orchid hemlock
arctic ridge
Quick question about blessings --
When refining: is committing a blessing to a weapon, make said blessing unavailable to all other weapons?
hollow ibex
Quick question about blessings --
When refining: is committing a blessing to a ...
Not anymore
It used to
arctic ridge
gotcha
drowsy perch
whats the best tac axe mk as a sidearm for stuff like maulers and such
narrow frost
mk7
drowsy perch
ok yea already running that and it seems good
slender elm
I feel like im becoming a bistol main
slender elm
Infiltrate frag
slender elm
unreal nova
And then thereâs hive scum
Pay $19 and you get inf vraks ammo.
slender elm
I thought bistol is op
hollow ibex
I thought bistol is op
On HIV maybe
unreal nova
I thought bistol is op
No, it's meh.
slender elm
Ok den
calm shard
I thought bistol is op
mid tier in the most frustrating way imaginable
unreal nova
On scum with BOOM Bringer... hilarious though.
unreal nova
Want a 10m radius BOOM?
hollow ibex
Hey bistol with 15 stack MMF hits good breakpoints
slender elm
And the swapping for buffs feels great
unreal nova
And the swapping for buffs feels great
Uhh, swapping? It's a passive. Lethal anyway.
slender elm
Ws
slender elm
I find it enjoyable to pull out me gun every few seconds and blow someone to pieces
And then back to axe
đŞ
atomic zephyr
finally
thats vet and arbitrator maxed
i dont really care about the others so it feels great to have those two done
hollow ibex
grats
ember halo
So, Iâve been playing recon las vet for a year, and itâs been a blast. However, ready to branch off into some other builds/weapons.
Anyone have some good suggestions for a fun gun to try next? Never ran plasma before, so that could be a thing.
hollow ibex
So, Iâve been playing recon las vet for a year, and itâs been a blast. However, ...
if you want a gun that actually involves a bit of chest hair, try vrak infantry autogun
unreal nova
if you want a gun that actually involves a bit of chest hair, try vrak infantry ...
That's just limited ammo harder to control recon gameplay.
hollow ibex
kills way faster
actually has punch to it
unlike recon
it's a pretty fun gun because you can just tap an elite on the head, and it just dies
brave acorn
Iag doesnât scale into higher difficulties imo
hollow ibex
Iag doesnât scale into higher difficulties imo
havoc?
or what are you talking about
because vraks is a beast in auric
the only reason it's not used more in havoc is because of ammo
but then you have hiv that has unlimited ammo sooooo
unreal nova
but then you have hiv that has unlimited ammo sooooo
Is why vraks on ganger.
brave acorn
Iâd hesitate to try it even in hi-intensity dams. Too much carapace. It basically forces me to take a power sword
hollow ibex
Iâd hesitate to try it even in hi-intensity dams. Too much carapace. It basicall...
have you tried simplying stacking finesse?
this is without onslaught btw
unreal nova
Iâd hesitate to try it even in hi-intensity dams. Too much carapace. It basicall...
Are you seriously reconing crushers?
hollow ibex
with onslaught it'd be even faster
brave acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1432758812129099786/5...
Tf
hollow ibex
turns out, a very high rate of fire gun, with very high finesse can do some very stupid things
even against enemies that its ostensibly weak against
brave acorn
Are you seriously reconing crushers?
?
brave acorn
Heck no
brave acorn
Think you got me mixed up with the other guy
unreal nova
Iâd hesitate to try it even in hi-intensity dams. Too much carapace. It basicall...
It was to that though.
calm shard
the only reason it's not used more in havoc is because of ammo
no even in havoc vraks is a monster
hollow ibex
he's talking about vraks there
calm shard
it's still absurdly ammo efficient just through sheer damage output
hollow ibex
no even in havoc vraks is a monster
i believe it
brave acorn
âItâ is the iag, not recon
calm shard
I use it on exe MMF vet sometimes
Like yeah technically it's less efficient than a lasgun
But even in havoc it 2 shots most enemies at worst
And annihilates everything in the blink of an eye
unreal nova
âItâ is the iag, not recon
Yes, but is like, are you telling me you are SHOOTING Crushers.
And not like, on a hellbore built for it.
brave acorn
Yes, but is like, are you telling me you are SHOOTING Crushers.
Nah, thatâs why I said I had to run psword
brave acorn
And not like, on a hellbore built for it.
I know itâs good, just donât enjoy it
unreal nova
Nah, thatâs why I said I had to run psword
So, if you do, then doesn't matter what gun you run as long as you can kill specials.
calm shard
And not like, on a hellbore built for it.
https://fximgur.com/a/jhpdn9y helbore...
ember halo
if you want a gun that actually involves a bit of chest hair, try vrak infantry ...
Ok, vraks IAG! Iâll give it a shot. Any builds that it works best with? Any need for keystones?
unreal nova
https://fximgur.com/a/jhpdn9y helbore...
I have seen havoc 40 1-2 shots with it.
hollow ibex
Ok, vraks IAG! Iâll give it a shot. Any builds that it works best with? Any need...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02606aa-11c1-4470-9bb1-fc3f2d315f31/emperors-fusiliers
you can try this-- it's a well-rounded hybrid build
keystones you should prob take on every build tbh
calm shard
I have seen havoc 40 1-2 shots with it.
Helbore can one shot H40 crushers barely with a red stim
unreal nova
Helbore can one shot H40 crushers ***barely*** with a red stim
Thus, 1-2 shots.
calm shard
consistent 2 shot on a somewhat normal build
ember halo
Helbore can one shot H40 crushers ***barely*** with a red stim
I always see people claiming helbore doing stuff like this, but whenever I see the gun in game, people struggle to kill much of anything. Just not pulling off consistent headshots?
arctic ridge
Does discard weapons from the menu -- make money?
calm shard
I always see people claiming helbore doing stuff like this, but whenever I see t...
more like the helbore is a gun that you NEED to build for for it to be good
just using it like any other gun will not make it good
ember halo
Iâll give it a whirl one day!
unreal nova
more like the helbore is a gun that you ***NEED*** to build for for it to be goo...
Also a hit or miss type of gun. You either like it or HATE it.
calm shard
yeah
ember halo
Also a hit or miss type of gun. You either like it or HATE it.
Iâve tried it in meat grinder a few times. I can see it being a gun that takes a lot of patience and focus
calm shard
even when built for it and it's good you may still not like it
this is what I would say is the minimum investment the helbore needs to be usable
hollow ibex
Does discard weapons from the menu -- make money?
yeah not much
calm shard
add One Motion if using the IIIa or IV
Mk V has faster swap speed and doesn't need it
arctic ridge
yeah not much
Gotcha. Just clearing mark duplicates.
hollow ibex
Mk V has faster swap speed and doesn't need it
huh mk5 has faster swap speed?
thought they were all the same
unreal nova
even when built for it and it's good you may still not like it
Strong taste feel. Plasma is the same imo.
The delay irks me.
calm shard
thought they were all the same
It might be just the Mk IV specifically is slower than the other 2
But yeah Mk V is way faster at everything
I don't actually use either of the other helbores very often since I am a Mk IV purist xd
brave acorn
turns out, a very high rate of fire gun, with very high finesse can do some very...
Thx for the tip. It works.
hollow ibex
remember to aim for the head
obvious, but makes a huge difference on something like vraks
brave acorn
His numbers are a lot more consistent than mine, I was gonna ask
hollow ibex
It kicks up to head.
try pulling down 
unreal nova
try pulling down <:uwugryn:1062882479310110720>
Why do you think I start at neck? It kicks hard to head and with the stick down, it works out.
hollow ibex
for most enemies, you only need a few shots anyway
unreal nova
for most enemies, you only need a few shots anyway
True. On ganger, you can just spray with wild abandon lul.
ember halo
True. On ganger, you can just spray with wild abandon lul.
Honestly, seeing how fast they kill basically anything is just insane. Ultimate glass cannon though! Have yet to purchase it
hollow ibex
glass cannon moment
bro just taking a crusher overhead with his stiff chin and not even flinching
last marten
I ran ex stance expecting more from it
calm shard
Supposed to be a good recoil control IAG or something
yeah it has the least recoil, and has reduced damage falloff just like agri
unreal nova
Supposed to be a good recoil control IAG or something
Is nicer on controller imo.
Less insane of a kick.
void dragon
is there a build that makes decent use of the shock maul? so far mostly RLasgun focused builds work as debuff sticks for captains and their shields
but dont think there is enough of what the Smaul offers on its own for melee
ember halo
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/3...
Jesus. Donât know how that was achieved but fuckin eh
mystic pilot
yeah not much
You could discard weapons???
astral breach
I think the lawbringer variant on falchion is starting to grow on me
Odd move set but the uptime on cranial is consistent since it feels impossible to not get a headshot with its move set
hollow ibex
You could discard weapons???
oh that's just selling weapons
hybrid pulsar
Hey guys
Can yall help me out with making some fun builds for veteran ?
Or show me where to find some?
distant plaza
Or show me where to find some?
the pinned guide
drowsy perch
So, Iâve been playing recon las vet for a year, and itâs been a blast. However, ...
i like revolver sniper
a lot more skill based than most builds but feels so damn good to do 6k+dps with penetration
ember halo
i like revolver sniper
Iâve seen some revolver vets! Itâs pretty crazy to see how good some are with it
drowsy perch
why isnt executioner stance used more?
heavily depends on build
90% of the time VOC can be a lifesaver
hollow ibex
why isnt executioner stance used more?
it's harder to use
VOC is a press F to win pretty much any situation button
tame lodge
Vet if he was good
void dragon
why isnt executioner stance used more?
the ability to see where the bombers are before they toss any fart face or to down the ragers faster due the added damage is valuable as a main gunner, shout is safety for you and team but Exe stance make you a better version of your role
torpid grotto
Every team needs a main gunner - sun tzu
stable socket
i've been trying out helbore recently and the mark 5 feels really good to use - even though it doesn't have the breakpoints of the mk 4 it shoots so damn fast i can just double tap everything
and the initial draw + charge is so fast
it was final toll + stimms which further fucked up my breakpoints (sometimes i would one tap stuff, other times i would have to shoot 3-4 times prolly because of blue stimm) but at least it wasn't pus + stimms
the two complaints i have with helbore are the sights (i am not brave enough to delve into weapon customization mods) and the charge mechanic feeling very clunky at high charge speed (i got a mod to make helbores passively charge so that i can shoot on mouse click like every other gun in the game)
drowsy perch
the ability to see where the bombers are before they toss any fart face or to do...
yeah ES + crit build + recon lasgun is really good
basically +50% damage while in ES
void dragon
yeah ES + crit build + recon lasgun is really good
ES enables a lot of stuff, revolver/Helbore oneshots, shotgun specials hunting, Vraks autogun shredding anything with a weakspot
its a big damage boost, and the intel it gives is valuable
trading it for VoC isnt that easy, but it can work
unlike some other skill...*stares at infiltrate gaming
hybrid plover
It's easier than some think
Because honestly VoC is not as good as it used to be at all.
The changes did actually kinda gut it a little.
It's good. But it's not the obvious choice like it once was and when I play vet, I honestly try to opt for ES nowadays.
livid crystal
Is the salvo blessing good for the las gun
slender elm
No
drowsy perch
idk if salvo is good for anYthing other than like
low capacity mags
revolver and stuff
but even then its outclassed
slender elm
Wait we talking opening salvo or punishing salvo
drowsy perch
tbh i dont even know what the difference is
livid hill
yeah ES + crit build + recon lasgun is really good
I like the green lasgun for this
More reliable headshots
drowsy perch
I like the green lasgun for this
i use the 3rd recon las, the 2nd one is funny cause how fast it shoots but too much damage loss compared to the 3rd
1st one is more AR than SMG
slender elm
I'm just here with my las pistol looking at you weird
drowsy perch
las pistol is also nie
very good headshot machine
it was what i was running for a while when i started playing psyker
hollow ibex
laspis is what ilas wished it was
livid hill
I'm just here with my las pistol looking at you weird
Las pistol is what ilas should be
slender elm
Wish infantry las wasn't so shitty
drowsy perch
infantry las does seem very mid
livid hill
laspis is what ilas wished it was
Same brainsell âĽď¸
drowsy perch
needs like better scope or less recoil idk
livid hill
infantry las does seem very mid
Its underpowered
livid hill
needs like better scope or less recoil idk
The latter
slender elm
I think better adm
slender elm
Popping ES and then hearing plink plink plink is super disappointing
livid hill
without the visual recoil the gun would be much better
It should also get a bigger headshot ratio like what they gave to the uhhh
Helbore las
hollow ibex
better breakpoints yeah
livid hill
Yeahd
Female loose cannon should get a 100% damage reduction at all times because she is. The best
livid hill
the fuck is your name <:ogryn_pathetic:1083359691742122014>
He needs to pee too :(
verbal osprey
the visual recoil is so ass
Lasguns having recoil makes no sense too
How does a laser have recoil
hollow ibex
i think they added recoil