From who
#veteran-class
silver patrol
faint beacon
Infantry is alright
silver patrol
Literally nothing changed except for vigilants in the last year
void dragon
braced are still shit
can confirm, tried so much to make this garbos work
silver patrol
I think it's amazing how you need to brace the fastest firing braced autogun just for it to have the same firerate as the vraks but with way worse dps
void dragon
and all the brautos have less impact than a peestol
amber mortar
vraks is still op
ufff i loved used vraks
void dragon
obesefisht hates brautos
silver patrol
Pretty sure brautos have actually a lot of impact
void dragon
nowhere as much as Shredder
silver patrol
Still staggers scab ragers irrc
amber mortar
what about columnus
tall torrent
Still staggers scab ragers irrc
takes a lot of shots
hollow ibex
kinda meh on the dps department, but easy to control
hollow ibex
brauto on scum's prob the strongest brauto
amber mortar
power falchion when they added that
hollow ibex
(still not very good)
silver patrol
power falchion when they added that
Like 5 months ago
amber mortar
is it good tho?
hollow ibex
it's got its niche
silver patrol
Hard to remember because it didn't exactly leave an impression
hollow ibex
but it's mid
amber mortar
ah ok
hollow ibex
i like it as a ranged vet sidearm
it's good when powered on
but when powered off, you are in for a very bad time
so it works pretty well if you're maining ranged anywya
tall torrent
is it good tho?
We all wish it was better
It’s only 8-10 buffs away from being good
amber mortar
its looks cool
turbid ibex
It’s only 8-10 buffs away from being good
"only"
silver patrol
Owned
turbid ibex
what are the buffs
tall torrent
It’d be rly cool if their push attacks were heavy attack profile
turbid ibex
what would that mean
hollow ibex
rager stagger?
tall torrent
what would that mean
Mk1 push atk, instead of using smiter L, make it use smiter H (same atk as the heavy overheads)
Mk2 push atk, instead of using sweep L, make it use sweep H (same atk as mk1’s H3)
tall torrent
Push atk energized can break rager combo
turbid ibex
i see
tall torrent
Mk1 push atk + L3 loop can be spammed for single target dps (better than heavy attacks but costs stamina)
Mk2 can do push atk + H1 for better horde clear & mixed horde control
void dragon
man, the single best run i had with randos in the event has been with me running around invi, tossing nades and stiming them all because NO ONE TAKE THEM! why obesefish made the properties of the stims so unknown? no one wants to get drugged unless i do nurse work
cerulean flume
Tried using the plasma gun
narrow frost
congrats
cerulean flume
Big drawback is the firing speed
turbid ibex
it fires pretty fast if youre not charging (which you shouldnt do anyways)
void dragon
i severely dislike that from the gun, charging it should feel rewarding but m1 spam is so busted that is detrimental to use
silver patrol
True, to make m2 worth it, its aoe should be 5m in radious with projectile damage and no falloff
sharp epoch
True, to make m2 worth it, its aoe should be 5m in radious with projectile damag...
make it one shot everything even bosses 
silver patrol
So true
But yeah if they nerf m1, the gun is dead imo, so they should make m2 do something instead
mystic pilot
looking at the stats in the guide. charged has pen 2.0 to normal shot's 1.25 pen, charged shot also make an explosion the moment it hit a terrain surface.
tall torrent
so does onslaught apply per pellet for shotguns?
noe
mystic pilot
so does onslaught apply per pellet for shotguns?
as per pinned guide, confirmed by the author himself (Guide WIP)
frigid rover
turbid ibex
making each pellet count as a separate hit/attack would def have some domino effect
primal zealot
could be funny tbh
still dove
should i make a bolt pistol build
sonic kayak
still dove
damn why lol
patent moth
:3 ive been using the plasma gun, holy peak
but i still HAVENT GOTTEN toughness curious 🥲
hybrid plover
grenade bistol build with focus target
Eh
I mean I guess if you wanna run a boss killer krak build for funsies
But honestly weapon specialist is usually better for bistol if you want to actually use it.
hollow ibex
MMF bistol 
honest quiver
it's so beautiful
slender elm
wow
still dove
But honestly weapon specialist is usually better for bistol if you want to actua...
ah ok thanks
honest quiver
one day i will have three 17% toughness curios on ONE character
the secret sauce
hallow drift
the secret sauce
This mod is amazing, although it does break my heart everytime I get godrolls for characters that aren't ones I need them for
My Scum has more 21% HP curios than my zealot lol
molten hound
does anyone have a fun exec stance bolter build
keen wharf
Ain't no way vet hits up to 8k with heavy sword. 
odd dirge
one day i will have three 17% toughness curios on ONE character
500 hours in game and I have one 17% toughness curio
But I guess if I try to farm I can get more
south river
500 hours in game and I have one 17% toughness curio
Do you use you Melkbux to roll curios:?
primal tartan
what is melkbux
primal tartan
yeah then
south river
If you go to Melk and select mystery acquisitions you can choose "Defensive Curio"
primal tartan
the la are almost always bad
south river
spending a couple grand gives you a chance of max curios
but it's still the main gacha game element left in Darktide from launch
which hopefully will be reworked or removed in future
primal tartan
i like it
odd dirge
Do you use you Melkbux to roll curios:?
No. I'd rather keep them for weapons. What I like to do sometimes is to use 'bonus chance to get curious as a mission reward' x3 and just run easy damnation missions.
south river
No. I'd rather keep them for weapons. What I like to do sometimes is to use 'bon...
For weapons, you just get them from Brunt's Armoury
use your Melk currency for curios only
Hopefully this doesn't come off rude
so with weapons what you want to do
primal tartan
the LAs are almost always awful
south river
once you hit level 30, you go to Brunt's armoury and roll new grey weapons there
you look at the stat spread as you hit "Acquire" and roll greys with the spread you want
then you upgrade the weapon at Hadron's terminal to max
odd dirge
For weapons, you just get them from Brunt's Armoury
You need to level them up. I'm always short on steel
primal tartan
and thats true it is way easier to roll weapons in armory
south river
You need to level them up. I'm always short on steel
if short on steel, easiest way to get more is higher difficulty, completing a weekly Havoc, or a Damnation+ Mortis trial
but for Melk currency best use is curios
you can get a weapon with "correct" or meta stat distribution easily from Brunt
but you can only roll curios at Melk's terminal
if you're playing casually though it doesn't really matter
arctic ridge
Recently got the game, just played a few matches with family, currently as veteran.
My younger brother explained to me about 'dump stat' for stuff.
Now asking the question here -- what's are the best specific guns marks versions, to keep an eye out for in the armory shop.
primal tartan
Recently got the game, just played a few matches with family, currently as veter...
which weapon?
it depends
arctic ridge
which weapon?
Am complete new player, so, just whatever is effective in the longrun enroute to max difficulty.
primal tartan
Am complete new player, so, just whatever is effective in the longrun enroute to...
well thats subjective haha
arctic ridge
From what I seen so far -- not just different gun types, but even different mark models with perks.
primal tartan
do you use lasguns or what are you interested in
arctic ridge
do you use lasguns or what are you interested in
Have no preference right now.
arctic ridge
well what gun do you use now
Still the default gun --
primal tartan
most people will say that gun is bad but its acctually my favorite
arctic ridge
Just talent points, since the tree is refundable.
primal tartan
if you aim good then its acc good
i see
well if you like i can send you my build its made for that gun or something similar
for that gun i would say
def mkvII is the best all around
but you can change the mark of the weapon as you level it up if you didnt know
so acctually what you should be looking for
primal tartan
is mainly a weapon with the dump stat you want whcih 9/10 times is
mobility
except for the las pistol then stability
primal tartan
yes
and im assuming the melee youre using is the sapper shovel
for that one you should dumo defense
if you like it and keep using it
i also use that
or the dueling sword ( dump mobility)
but as far as mks go you dont need to look for any as
you unlock them all as yuo level the armoury up
arctic ridge
and im assuming the melee youre using is the sapper shovel
Still the sapper shovel. Mark VII anointed.
primal tartan
and they are interchangable
arctic ridge
you unlock them all as yuo level the armoury up
alrighty.
arctic ridge
for that one you should dumo defense
shovel dump def. k
arctic ridge
for the inflas tho
inflas?
primal tartan
infantry lasgun
arctic ridge
ah
primal tartan
yes sir
primal tartan
that too
arctic ridge
read guide in pins
which channel is that?
slender elm
this channel
arctic ridge
k
primal tartan
the pinned section
slender elm
📌
arctic ridge
am currently at the store now, just wondering if some 60 dump mobility guns are worth getting now.
primal tartan
depends which ones
and you dont know what build youi want yet so
just depends on that
if theres a sepcific weapon you want
roll in the brunts armoury
you should get what you want in 10 ish pulls
arctic ridge
depends which ones
Vigilant Autogun agripinaa Mk IX green redeemed
infantry lasgun Kantrael Mk IIb blue anointed
recon lasgun accatran Mk VLc gray profane
primal tartan
what are the dump stats?
arctic ridge
what are the dump stats?
all 60 mobility.
primal tartan
also remember you can change the mk for each with some time
the recon lasgun is lots of fun for casual play and easy to build
the infantry lasgun is what i use in auric
arctic ridge
also remember you can change the mk for each with some time
& helbore is a gun that can rotate in? or is it an earned item?
primal tartan
it can rotate in when you unlock it
arctic ridge
the recon lasgun is lots of fun for casual play and easy to build
yea, I'm only casual, with my family.
primal tartan
that one is good too but reliant on your aim
arctic ridge
it can rotate in when you unlock it
gotcha.
primal tartan
well then either lasgun is a good choice
arctic ridge
gotcha
primal tartan
i prefer infantry but the racon is a spray and forget kinda deal
infantry is a more precise gun
recon is also just as fun and good
arctic ridge
Quick question, can you sum how to make curios to orange & slot 3 perks?
primal tartan
yes by consecrating them
arctic ridge
My younger brother shown me, but that awhile ago.
primal tartan
what trust level are you
arctic ridge
yes by consecrating them
from base profane, or doesn't matter?
primal tartan
any rarity
tall torrent
Recently got the game, just played a few matches with family, currently as veter...
check the pinned guide
arctic ridge
what trust level are you
18
arctic ridge
check the pinned guide
oh, right i have to go to a place on the ship
arctic ridge
ty
primal tartan
yessir
if youre looking to build play the event missions they give you a lot of crafting materials
thats what im doing you can join me if you like
arctic ridge
thats what im doing you can join me if you like
thanks for the current invite, but i'll take it up when i have a gaming window. i just played earlier with a cousin of mine to close the night, & am just in the shop rotation after of matched.
nonetheless appreciated.
primal tartan
for sure man
drowsy perch
why are there so many prison pants cosmetics but basically 0 prison tops
where matching set
spark helm
Palettes can have contrast and all that. I guess in the case of the prison cosmetics, it's just that maybe: being an inmate.
drowsy perch
just did combat blade + shredder pistol + infiltrate + weapons specialist and its fucking insane
its like playing a mosqutio that can also easily kill them
hearty snow
devil claw is great for hordes and unarmored
even for damnation and up?
ill try the assault chainsword again
drowsy perch
yeah devils claw is what i use on my auric/havoc too
when im sniper anyways
gun can do everything that isnt horde
south river
gun can do everything that isnt horde
shredder auto?
hexed arch
what's better for veteran curios 2 toughness and 1 health or 3 toughness?
i know at least one health curio is mandatory for havoc but is it still good outside of it?
dry cloak
either way is good
unreal nova
i know at least one health curio is mandatory for havoc but is it still good out...
Whatever works on havoc usually works outside, might be abit overkill in some ways though.
hexed arch
well i try to snipe with a helbore so idk how much bonus health will help me
slender elm
you cant avoid getting bapped in the head by some random poxer while you shoot, forever
and other times you need to melee
arctic ridge
Currently looking within the "BLESSINGS MENU" of my equipped gun.
So am I reading this right --
Blessing Points of the eagle-in-church-window that are both beneath the skull, are the blessing points I have that I can spend for the gun...
... while the Blessing Points of just-the-eagle that's below both, along some row of checkmarks, are is the EXP bar for my gun & its bank of blessing points I can further unlock for it?
slender elm
Yes
Man, I keep running into gunner squads and returning fire with my las pistol then getting shot to pieces
I feel like ghost is not the blessing I need, rather I should play safer
arctic ridge
Yes
are Blessing Points refundable, or is it just 'click everything, everything will be unlocked'?
slender elm
Everything unlocks at 20
dry cloak
are Blessing Points refundable, or is it just 'click everything, everything will...
You get all blessing on each weapon
slender elm
But you can prioritise
dry cloak
After getting to lvl 20
arctic ridge
But you can prioritise
Priortise?
As I -- I don't have to unlock in numerical order?
dry cloak
Priortise?
As I -- I don't have to unlock in numerical order?
No
There counter to left of the blessings that say which lvl you can unlock
You can have lvl 4 blessing with some not taken at all
arctic ridge
& weapon masteries, aren't mark-model specific, it's only gun type specific?
arctic ridge
You can have lvl 4 blessing with some not taken at all
alright
slender elm
You have to spend enough points to get to certain blessing levels but you can max out a few that you want around 15
dry cloak
& weapon masteries, aren't mark-model specific, it's only gun type specific?
Its weapon family specific. Then you can change between the marks after certain lvl of mastery achieved
arctic ridge
You have to spend enough points to get to certain blessing levels but you can ma...
15 blessing points, or 15 mastery?
arctic ridge
Its weapon family specific. Then you can change between the marks after certain ...
which number would that be?
slender elm
Mastery
arctic ridge
Mastery
& that's weapon mastery? Trust level being, character level? if I'm understanding the game correctly.
dry cloak
Yep
dry cloak
Look at it later
Experience the game first
What ever you do until you unlock auric is gonna work
Have fun
arctic ridge
What ever you do until you unlock auric is gonna work
unlock auric?
dry cloak
5th dificulty
arctic ridge
k
slender elm
Tier 0 means mandatory because core
keen wharf
i never would have thought that Vet with Mk VI Heavy sword would be almost just as good as melee heavy sword psyker.
slender elm
Vet with a high cleave melee is very strong
mystic pilot
From the pinned steam guide, what does 'tier 0' 'tier 1' blessing mean?
Tier 0 "Absolutely must get"
1 "Pretty good, but not as mandatory"
keen wharf
yeah but the fact i somehow hit 8k with heavy sword on no idea what is kinda hilarious since i wasnt using headtaker, i was using bladed momentum/perfect strike. 
arctic ridge
Tier 0 "Absolutely must get"
1 "Pretty good, but not as mandatory"
So, from the pinned guide, 'Headhunter' is a tier 0 blessing for the Infantry Lasgun mastery.
Would it be favourable now, to get all 4 degrees of Headhunter? Or spend some on Tier 1 'Ghost' & 'Deadly Accurate'?
mystic pilot
dont change your blessings until you can unlock the 4th rank for them so you get the maximum bonus
slender elm
Try to max headhunter ye
arctic ridge
dont change your blessings until you can unlock the 4th rank for them so you get...
4th rank?
mystic pilot
the points you put into the blessing
slender elm
That's the primary blessing for headshot guns
arctic ridge
in your mastery tree
is that the bar on the bottom of the church windows, within the Blessings Menu?
slender elm
The one with the roman numbers
mystic pilot
press I
click on Masteries
click on your gun
and that's your weapon mastery where all blessings for that weapon are in
you unlock them so you can add any of them to your weapon
20% is the maximum rank
dry cloak
is that the bar on the bottom of the church windows, within the Blessings Menu?
Penance progression bar
arctic ridge
so far I'm seeing -- the windows whose icons I unlocked, they all have I-IV each.
arctic ridge
Penance progression bar
ah
mystic pilot
and you have to put points into them
arctic ridge
and you have to put points into them
ohhh, the skull windows I'm yet to open up icons for.
arctic ridge
4th is the maximum bonus
So the blessings windows-icons I opened up so far, they each have I-IV.
mystic pilot
you still have to put points in them
and you get points by using your weapon in matches to level your weapon's mastery level
arctic ridge
you still have to put points in them
yea. so, favouable now to max, say 'Headhunter IV' for Infantry Lasgun mastery?
or better wait till the rest of windows are unlocked, or max gun mastery?
charred halo
is plasma better with exe stance or shout
slender elm
is plasma better with exe stance or shout
Preference but exe stance highlights nice
mystic pilot
maxed out
mystic pilot
yea. so, favouable now to max, say 'Headhunter IV' for Infantry Lasgun mastery?
you have to spend an amount of points to unlock the next tier of rank.
thats the skull thingy
mystic pilot
so you have to put points into other blessings to unlock the next rank for all of them
arctic ridge
so you have to put points into other blessings to unlock the next rank for all o...
ohh, that skull lights up in a circle.
mystic pilot
also leveling up the mastery improve the perks you can put on your weapon
the diamonds
my lasgun
arctic ridge
gotcha
mystic pilot
if you dont have a lot of these
you would want to wait until you get maximum ranks unlocked before refining your weapon's perks and blessings
it take quite a bit to empower the weapon to 500 lvl
at least its easier to do perks and blessings first
arctic ridge
what's that 2nd line?
arctic ridge
it take quite a bit to empower the weapon to 500 lvl
yea, much as I'm interested in Darktide, I'm casual in the sense that, I game with my family, til my computer gets a generation upgrade.
mystic pilot
the currency is for the items he carry.
arctic ridge
Yeah, that's what I'll be next playing to unlock.
mystic pilot
he has limit time acquisitions, all of the weapons/curio there are at 500lvl
the catch is
their stats are not always "perfect", all 80s and dump stat 60 is a very rare finding on them
arctic ridge
their stats are not always "perfect", all 80s and dump stat 60 is a very rare fi...
ahh gotcha
arctic ridge
noted
mystic pilot
I dont need to get that as I already got one with a perfect stat I got from the regular shop
but that maxed out level is tempting 😛
arctic ridge
there's the option to consecrate this to orange trascendent?
slender elm
Ye
mystic pilot
@arctic ridge
Consecrate is the "color ranking" it add in the perk and blessing slots
Empower is the one that increase the level (increasing the stats up to the maximum on right bracket)
Refine change the perks
Re-Bless change the blessings
arctic ridge
Empower is the one that increase the level (increasing the stats up to the maxim...
ahh
arctic ridge
Re-Bless change the blessings
This involves breaking/surrending gun?
mystic pilot
no
sacrfice weapons is the one you throw your extra weapons away, in return
you get xp added to a mastery you pick
Refine and RE-Bless only cost gold dockets
Consecrate require plastinium and diamondsomething (I forgot) which you get in matches by looking for drops
dry cloak
Consecrate require plastinium and diamondsomething (I forgot) which you get in m...
plasteel and diamantine
arctic ridge
Refine and RE-Bless only cost gold dockets
aahhh ok
arctic ridge
Empower is the one that increase the level (increasing the stats up to the maxim...
So empowering a weapon is different from weapon mastery. There a set number of times for weapon empowerment?
mystic pilot
empowering is raising your own weapon, not mastery, level
this is the individual weapon's level
arctic ridge
this is the individual weapon's level
Ah, so that's what it is.
dry cloak
So empowering a weapon is different from weapon mastery. There a set number of t...
im certain you didnt read a damn of texts game gave you
mystic pilot
it influence your weapon's stats
dry cloak
there are guides in game for that
arctic ridge
im certain you didnt read a damn of texts game gave you
It's a lot to read, I haven't yet a full window to sit down for it. So far, am cross-checking with the shop's available weapons.
mystic pilot
that's how the level influence the stats
if I got my lasgun to 500, the stats will be maxed out to 80s (and 60 for mobility)
arctic ridge
that's how the level influence the stats
I mean -- do you have to empower the weapon, say, 200 times, to get to 500? Or is 1 empowerment, for example a +10 increment?
mystic pilot
each empowering is +10 level added
arctic ridge
each empowering is +10 level added
noted.
mystic pilot
so another way beside keeping an eye out for the "perfect" stat layout is getting the level as high as possible so it take less attempts to reach 500
when purchasing the weapon
210 lv weapon take a while to get to 500 compared to one at 380 lvl
between 350-380lvl show up in the shop for me
arctic ridge
so another way beside keeping an eye out for the "perfect" stat layout is gettin...
gotcha
arctic ridge
check out the pinned guide for the builds. it'll save you time
yae, that's what I've been managing so far -- ctrl-F crosschecking with shop guns, & the Veteran talent tree.
Will be going through the guide when I have a long sit-down window for it.
mystic pilot
when checking Armoury Exchange, first check the timer on it (exchange change every hour or so). Then just look for all 80s and 60. Then crosscheck with the guide's listed dump stats for weapons.
PLasma Gun is hard to find a perfect stat for. So you just look for one with Thermal as dump stat
arctic ridge
when checking Armoury Exchange, first check the timer on it (exchange change eve...
yea, that's what I've been doing
arctic ridge
PLasma Gun is hard to find a perfect stat for. So you just look for one with The...
The guide also mentions '71% charge rate'?
Is it both stats, or an either/or for plasma gun shopping?
hollow ibex
@tired egret
arctic ridge
Ah, so both stats then.
slender elm
Lul
arctic ridge
right
hollow ibex
i spent 2.5m dockets
and best i ended up with was 70/70 lol
for a gun that i use maybe 5 times a year
so i stopped rolling
hollow ibex
it works but keystoneless isn't really ideal anymore
since all the keystones got buffed
thorny gorge
not for the recon brittle build
keystones still suck for it
i can get rending now with the tree changes
hollow ibex
recon brittleness build also isn't very good
mystic pilot
Ah, so both stats then.
its really hard to find
hollow ibex
if you're good enough, a loto f things work in havoc
doesn't mean the setup is good tho
hollow ibex
onslaught recon is a shadow of its former self
due to crusher buffs
not that its former self was even that strong to begin with
thorny gorge
but it still fun for me tho lol
hollow ibex
yeah as long as it's fun for you and it works
thorny gorge
3 second kill time has double to about 6
hollow ibex
i personally see way too many newb vets
that do nothing but spray recon las
and end up bottom of the scoreboard
hollow ibex
it's just a low skill floor, low skill ceiling gun
very easy to use, but limited damage potential
mystic pilot
I cant wait to put away the recon las after I finish out its mastery
hollow ibex
also recon las is pretty bad against hordes outside of certain niche builds
so spraying into hordes like some vet shitters do
is incredibly inefficient
thorny gorge
if im sitting above 50% im dumping into the horde
turbid ibex
How do you use recon las on vet then?
turbid ibex
turbid ibex
Ok but what is the right way to use it
hollow ibex
pairing it with your melee
and using the gun for things you can't kill immediately
you know, since the gun is in the secondary weapon slot?
turbid ibex
So basically just shooting specialists and elites like 95% of other guns
turbid ibex
Man i wish refining curios didnt need fucking diamantine
hollow ibex
curio system is so ass
thorny gorge
Ok but what is the right way to use it
headhunter infernus
makes sure you have shock trooper, onslaught, and reciprocity
that should get you to around 80 - 100% crit rate
and when you are really only shooting when you have high crit, shock troop will keep your ammo from disappearing
hollow ibex
the pinned guide covers blessings
dry cloak
its not headhunter is dumdum
thorny gorge
try headhunter
hollow ibex
its not headhunter is dumdum
he plays it differently from the meta
dry cloak
very well
thorny gorge
i play it like how Reginald plays it
best melee is probably powersword or dueling but i like the knife
hollow ibex
does reginald really play recon las that way lol
thorny gorge
those are the blessings he recommends for the recon
tree is outdated tho
hp buffs doesnt mean the build is dead
dry cloak
reginald is knowledgeable
thorny gorge
you dont like recon cuz bad players do bad with it
dry cloak
like recon is fun
thorny gorge
you said it was bad
hollow ibex
i don't blame the gun for how the players use it
thorny gorge
hollow ibex
you said it was bad
i said it was a low skill floor, low skill ceiling gun
which doesn't mean it's bad
thorny gorge
its a got a higher skill ceiling then you think
hollow ibex
reginald is knowledgeable
the more i see his stuff, the more questionable i find him to be
from not understanding middle school scientific method for testing
silver patrol
me when i aim and shoot and apparently that's high skill ceiling
hollow ibex
yeah
thorny gorge
cope
hollow ibex
that's pretty pathetic
dry cloak
the more i see his stuff, the more questionable i find him to be
he is still gonna much better source than e and t-man simple because he is a playtester
hollow ibex
he is still gonna much better source than e and t-man simple because he is a pla...
if the bar is at mr. e, anything flies
thorny gorge
hollow ibex
i mean mr. e is the dude
selling ilas assail psyker build
as part of his paid youtube membership
calm shard
try headhunter
kinda mid
hollow ibex
oh no
calm shard
Mk XIV recon lasgun can run deadshot and that's a fun time tho
hollow ibex
he's going to have to block you too
hollow ibex
Mk XIV recon lasgun can run deadshot and that's a fun time tho
but then you can't run onslaught
and that ruins it
calm shard
gun scum without being gun scum basically
(except you have range and your wallhacks have longer than 15 meters of range)
and also you have actual melee damage and a real answer to crushers lmaooooooooooo
dim oasis
Can the Power Falchion preform in Auric mael ?
hollow ibex
yeah
dim oasis
Dump stat / blessings?
turbid ibex
Check pinned guide
pearl oasis
Is Grenade Twinkerer worth?
calm shard
mandatory for kraks in havoc
really good for the other two
not mandatory for either if you don't want it tho
young holly
would vet be good with a flamer?
young holly
can i atleast still have it when im goofing off or som
arctic ridge
Is it more effective to separate 'dodge' buttonkey from the 'jump' buttonkey instead of the game's default of having them both together? (spacebar)
silver patrol
i don't have any problems together
but i also use a mod to avoid jumping when dodging
narrow frost
Is it more effective to separate 'dodge' buttonkey from the 'jump' buttonkey ins...
Yes, it's good to put jump on a far away key
pearl oasis
in general is it more useful to run Carapace or Flak on melee perks?
calm shard
depends on the weapon
pearl oasis
Pword
narrow frost
Jumping removes all of your dodge frames and be accidently pressed when you run out of dodges since jump and dodge are on the same key
calm shard
carapace unyielding
arctic ridge
Yes, it's good to put jump on a far away key
Any keyboard suggestions?
pearl oasis
Also, what is unyielding define enemy wise?
arctic ridge
Jumping removes all of your dodge frames and be accidently pressed when you run ...
So preferable then to break the key apart then.
calm shard
Also, what is unyielding define enemy wise?
Bulwarks, all bosses except for traitor captains/twins, and Reapers
pearl oasis
neat
silver patrol
Jumping removes all of your dodge frames and be accidently pressed when you run ...
but if you try to dodge while out of dodge you still dodge
narrow frost
but if you try to dodge while out of dodge you still dodge
But people panic dodge and hit dodge too fast and jump with the default settings
It's the 1st sign of a new player
Bunny hopping
silver patrol
yeah that's why i suggest getting the mod to avoid that
silver patrol
or keep it and get the mod
narrow frost
Either works
calm shard
if I change jump from space my dumb ass will forget what button I put it on and not be able to vault shit
turbid ibex
Rebind dodge instead 5head
arctic ridge
5head?
tall torrent
where did u get the download link
still dove
what perks and blessings should i put on the dc, it's a weapon specialist build
hollow ibex
shred rampage for blessings, perks look good
mystic pilot
what perks and blessings should i put on the dc, it's a weapon specialist build
its in the pinned guide
still dove
thanks
simple cobalt
narrow frost
https://youtu.be/vWo78HVEBGo?si=4AETPVm6Y8k6ADGW
fading yarrow
Just broke through 10 million Ordo Dockets
I wish we had some sort of item shop to exchange them at
turbid ibex
https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-paw-annoyed-hiss-gif-16279788301067456967
Kimty
daring light
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldown seems pitiful
hexed arch
surgical is pointless for any auto gun right?
serene bough
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldo...
its the most important aura in the entire game
hollow ibex
surgical is pointless for any auto gun right?
good on vigils
serene bough
prob doesnt matter for lower difficulties but higher up its borderline mandatory
hexed arch
i run a hellbore and i also have the full auto mod, so between charged shots i get like 1 stack of surgical, i think the perk that gives 50% weakspot cleave would work better
orchid hemlock
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldo...
Out of all of the Vet auras it's generally the best in higher difficulties
This is because regardless of the difficulty, there will always be a finite amount of resources on the map, which means the longer the mission takes to complete and the harder it is to kill things, the more ammo you will need to use
calm shard
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldo...
by far veteran's best aura since it allows the entire team to just use their guns more often
prime wyvern
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldo...
pew pew
daring light
by far veteran's best aura since it allows the entire team to just use their gun...
I the five second cooldown separate per person, or universal?
calm shard
seperate per person iirc
tall torrent
I the five second cooldown separate per person, or universal?
universal
when it activates, everyone in coherency with veteran (including veteran themselves) get the benefit
daring light
when it activates, everyone in coherency with veteran (including veteran themsel...
I’m asking about the cooldown
tall torrent
I’m asking about the cooldown
yes, it's 1 singular cooldown that's either on/off
not per-player
quick shell
is there a point to the survivalist aura? 1% of your ammo with a 5 second cooldo...
It’s one of the best auras in the game
quick shell
prob doesnt matter for lower difficulties but higher up its borderline mandatory
It’s not mandatory but it is incredibly good
turbid ibex
Now i have all the classes at 30
serene bough
compared to the other two auras not taking it at higher difficulties is silly
theres no other aura that has a greater team impact in the game
brave acorn
A Survivalist vet is great when I’m playing zealot because it gets me my daggers back
narrow frost
<@&735928989146939404> account stolen
turbid ibex
<@&735928989146939404> account stolen
Who was it
narrow frost
idk, just got their account stolen and was trying to scam
sonic kayak
RIP guy
turbid ibex
I see
turbid ibex
*was you*??????????????????????????????????
Or was you
hexed arch
if my gun is a helbore what melee should i use to prevent dying
drowsy perch
dclaw is best for horde clearing
hot thorn
Why are the event missions on damnation difficulty on par with havoc missions
like the spawn rates are amped up insanely
fuck the pox gas and drugs
why do i have 6 bosses and 2 demonhosts per run?!
not the mention the endless horde
hot thorn
problem is that people queueing up for damnation aren't set up to do havoc difficulty missions
and bloody die!
orchid hemlock
Skill diff
Just carry
orchid hemlock
Unless it's high Havoc level hard it's not the end of the world to solo cary damnations
hot thorn
Unless it's high Havoc level hard it's not the end of the world to solo cary dam...
its not damnation level
that's the point
orchid hemlock
Auric is just higher spawn rates
Damnation, stat wise is the same
If the event is too hard just lower the difficulty
Shrimple as
drowsy perch
why do i have 6 bosses and 2 demonhosts per run?!
yeah its psycho
got 3 captains, 2 chaos spawns, and a plague ogryn, all at the start of one of the missions
orchid hemlock
I personally want something harder than auric Maels in my events
Gives me something to push for 
drowsy perch
frankly im fine with everything EXCEPT tox gas
i hated it when i started havoc and i hate it even more now
sick of tox gas
(as one should be)
hollow ibex
i lag so much on the event missions
orchid hemlock
frankly im fine with everything EXCEPT tox gas
I think they needed to add to gas, because without it
The shit ton of stimms would make it too easy to blast thru the level
distant plaza
dumb q, does the event count as progress towards the pox gas penance?
orchid hemlock
Especially health stimms
orchid hemlock
dumb q, does the event count as progress towards the pox gas penance?
Yes
drowsy perch
I think they needed to add to gas, because without it
The shit ton of stimms wo...
i suppose
mystic pilot
why do i have 6 bosses and 2 demonhosts per run?!
because BigFish think that's the only best option to "challenge" the players
drowsy perch
and the tox gas resistance if you take 10 stims
- buffs in tox gas
which is fun but
it still drains toughness
mystic pilot
"throw more bodies, especially tougher ones, and more hordes at the players"
it cost them less than developing new enemies or smarter ones
orchid hemlock
it cost them less than developing new enemies or smarter ones
They did make tox bomber recently
You want another
DENY DENY DENY THISDENYTHISDENYTHISDENYTHODDENYTHIDTHIDTHIDDENYTHIIS
stiff coral
Looking for a late game build anyone got a good link to look at
calm shard
I think they needed to add to gas, because without it
The shit ton of stimms wo...
good
means less time spent playing a tox gas mission
easily the worst modifier in the entire game
distant plaza
Looking for a late game build anyone got a good link to look at
the pinned guide has a few
orchid hemlock
Looking for a late game build anyone got a good link to look at
Late game like havoc or do you want to have fun?
mystic pilot
They did make tox bomber recently
at least its not another Pox Burster
hollow ibex
scab burster
increased damage radius
explosion will also throw out a bunch of shrapnel that does high health damage
due to carapace armor
stiff coral
Late game like havoc or do you want to have fun?
Meta & Fun
orchid hemlock
Meta & Fun
Idk if that's possible 😔
stiff coral
Idk if that's possible 😔
Then I'll take Meta
orchid hemlock
I think the guide has a good starting tree
But the best melee by far ATM is power sword
stiff coral
This "guide" looks very out of date
orchid hemlock
Which one?
stiff coral
oh nvm this is just a list of everything
orchid hemlock
The first one on the pins was made just a couple months ago
stiff coral
not what I'm actually after lol
stiff coral
Has example builds
So the heat mechanic with the plasma gun how does it work
Never used it before
orchid hemlock
Should explain it in the guide
But it's just something you manage by releasing the heat with the alt attack
steep pier
You can use special to vent slowly or reload for full vent
And 100% charge being shot will explode you
Also plasma gun shoots through bulwark shield
stiff coral
mmm
mystic pilot
You can use special to vent slowly or reload for full vent
And 100% charge being...
vent faster you mean
just not doing anything let it cool down "slowly"
heavy rover
Oh no. Purple and stims are back
mossy oasis
Just an FYI to all Krieg Vet enjoyers out there while this cosmetic is still in the store:
THIS torso piece allows you to craft the CLEANEST and most INSANE looking trench raider krieg set EVER
mystic pilot
great boots too
astral breach
What’s the difference between mk IV and mk VI for bolt pistol? I’ve been gone for some time so I haven’t played around with it too much
prime wyvern
Just an FYI to all Krieg Vet enjoyers out there while this cosmetic is still in ...
why is the one on the left looking kind of shy
drowsy perch
it looks like he got to poop
mossy oasis
why is the one on the left looking kind of shy
idk thats just some chud from the store page
mossy oasis
What’s the difference between mk IV and mk VI for bolt pistol? I’ve been gone fo...
one is explosive with massive AOE but has less penetration and direct DMG and one less in the mag. I prefer the explosive one though for grenade vet (its jusst so much better)
blazing jetty
What’s the difference between mk IV and mk VI for bolt pistol? I’ve been gone fo...
One fires bolts that pierce through enemies, and the other does less damage but makes bigger explosions
mossy oasis
pair the AOE one with a grenadier build and put staggered enemies 20% dmg blessing and the 25% explosion radius blessing and see hordes disappear from 3 shots in the middle of them @astral breach
astral breach
pair the AOE one with a grenadier build and put staggered enemies 20% dmg blessi...
Gotcha that’s the variant I’ve been using I figured it was an aoe difference I enjoy the aoe over the piercing
astral breach
Its also explained in the pinned guide
The pins don’t have a recent one for the new bolt pistol lol
Always been quicker just to ask here tbh
mystic pilot
The pins don’t have a recent one for the new bolt pistol lol
Theres a third now?
heavy rover
it looks like he got to poop
bro stanced up like an unc
mystic pilot
astral breach
Theres a third now?
The one from a few months ago idk if it was just a rework or completely new one in general I’ve been on and off the game for a year and a half lol got burnt out after 1500 hours on console
mystic pilot
Yeah, check the pinned guide. Its very current
astral breach
So I haven’t kept in the loop for all the changes
And rotten armor certainly has not helped
mystic pilot
Fatshark have featured it on their launcher
heavy rover
And rotten armor certainly has not helped
I think rotten armour got rotated out
pus hardened is back though
astral breach
I think rotten armour got rotated out
Today? I was playing some havocs the past couple days and I think every single one had rotten except one lol
mystic pilot
heavy rover
Today? I was playing some havocs the past couple days and I think every single o...
yeah, just got back from a game after the reset
astral breach
Ah yeah I prefer the aoe much better usage out of the staggers
livid crystal
What’s a good build for the fast asf las gun
livid sphinx
Has there been a sale recently?
I've been getting a lot of team mates who have green titles or no titles
hollow ibex
1.2 million dockets spent
rookie numbers
verbal osprey
Has there been a sale recently?
Yeah there was, I think it was a 60-75% sale
wild vortex
I've been getting a lot of team mates who have green titles or no titles
I haven't used a single title in almost 700hrs
fair shale
Obligatory titles mean nothing
wild vortex
though tbf I have neither ASS nor True Survivor, might have used one of them if I had
tropic halo
"carapace is ruining the game"
Looks inside
Shoots a crusher with the autogun
wild vortex
"carapace is ruining the game"
Looks inside
Shoots a crusher with the autogun
I mean, for once I'd agree with Mr. Pee
carapace walls seem to have become FS' answer to player power but it's just really tedious
last marten
The 5k crusher health update...
tall torrent
The 5k crusher health update...
it's 6.5k hp auric (9.75k havoc max)
last marten
wild vortex
it shuts down cleave, making clearing much more time consuming. It shuts down a lot of ranged options barring very few, which then become meta. It makes dodging harder too iirc if they pen you in? Not sure
wild vortex
i think crushers are fine
as an Ogryn player, I don't agree. Not because Ogryn can't kill them, but because it completely invalidates much of Ogryn's already small arsenal
dry cloak
Like crusher singular should be a wall of armour that you need to deal with
But it cant be killed by 2 hits of some flimsy saber
hollow ibex
as an Ogryn player, I don't agree. Not because Ogryn can't kill them, but becaus...
i mean you just need ONE slot in your build that can kill crushers
there's a lot of ways to skin carapace cats
wild vortex
pre carapace HP buff and generally increased prevalence of carapace, you could legitimately take PBB stubbers or rippers or mk4 knife into aurics and enjoy yourself. Now? You can (in the most technical sense) but it's just a massive pain in the ass.
cunning sandal
something something Ogryn has a problem with their melees (excluding Pick Axes) being the equivalent of pool noodles
and being hyper reliant on left side nodes
wild vortex
something something Ogryn has a problem with their melees (excluding Pick Axes) ...
yeah a lot of it is Ogryn issue tbf
but even otherwise I don't think carapace walls are an enjoyable solution
cunning sandal
Hypothetically, if I could take Ogryn weapons on human classes, I just
wouldn't
ever
dry cloak
Ergo buff psyker
wild vortex
at this point Ogryn doesn't have "weapons", we have pickaxes, a club, a rumbler, a ripper and a heavy stubber. GG and Paul if you're feeling a little daring.
hollow ibex
Ergo buff psyker
wild vortex
dry cloak
Like i think that ogryn should be decent at dealing with armour no matter the weapon because they are a ogryn.
wild vortex
woe, mk3 knife be upon ye
dry cloak
Jokes on you
wild vortex
bounces off carapace with a squeaky sound
slender elm
That's what I run
dry cloak
BB me fave
slender elm
Bigass knife
hollow ibex
orgryn needs to suffer
wild vortex
deserved tbf
dry cloak
orgryn needs to suffer
cunning sandal
bounces off carapace with a squeaky sound
At this point even Mk IV does as well without every single melee damage node
hollow ibex
auric was unplayable for months
until arbi came out
every match a rumblergryn shit
dry cloak
Like
cunning sandal
Crusher TTK with a right side Ogryn build using the Mk IV Cleaver is pitiful.
cunning sandal
Ogryn has too many left side damage amps and weak inherent weapons.
cunning sandal
Right side Ogryn is reliant on PBB
slender elm
Right side build is pitiful in general
cunning sandal
and then weak whenever it's down
wild vortex
every match a rumblergryn shit
ykw I just played demogryn today after so many months and it's so pitifully mid now
like genuinely
hollow ibex
ykw I *just* played demogryn today after so many months and it's so pitifully mi...
ammo whore harder
dry cloak
Ogryn has too many left side damage amps and weak inherent weapons.
A lot of weapons need a look at. As weapon families
cunning sandal
ammo whore harder
Even if you have ammo and PBB up, you still have lower DPS than a Gun Psyker even if you exclude Scrier's Gaze
hollow ibex
Even if you have ammo and PBB up, you still have lower DPS than a Gun Psyker eve...
less single target damage, but you have infinite cleave so idk
hollow ibex
i don't see why it'd be materially weaker
wild vortex
i don't see why it'd be materially weaker
carapace HP buff
hollow ibex
scab hp buffs wouldn't impact rumbler that much
wild vortex
one of the big things it had going for it was the explosion burn DOT + interaction with Shrimpact
that's substantially worse now because the mob HP is higher
hollow ibex
i'll take your word for it, i refuse to play rumblergryn
wild vortex
I probably also suffered a bit extra because event missions seem scarce on ammo anyway
dry cloak
I use rumbler as mass stagger device
wild vortex
it's fine for that purpose
dry cloak
Or trash horde removal
wild vortex
and for just piling shrimpact before engaging
but PBB is just no longer worth bothering with IMO
on any weapon
dry cloak
i downgraded from auric to damnation. Depending on the team its fun to run it
Pbb i mean
livid sphinx
Obligatory titles mean nothing
Well, if they keep dying then it does matter
Ngl I dont think there's anything that can solve the carapace problem
dry cloak
The good ol double dot
cunning sandal
I use rumbler as mass stagger device
I use Rumbler to feel gross and disappointed in myself
desert viper
as an Ogryn player, I don't agree. Not because Ogryn can't kill them, but becaus...
if I am to speak on my experience with ogryn
before the enemy hp increases his melees felt very satisfying and strong, but still manage to mock that sluggish feel
after the enemy hp increases, I cry if I see 3 crushers at once
and I'm on something outside of pickaxe
wild vortex
Eh 3b and mk3 shovel are alright, Paul is also ok
But they REALLY need all the left side buffs
Pickaxes can work without
tall torrent
as an Ogryn player, I don't agree. Not because Ogryn can't kill them, but becaus...
og weapons need help period
og melee is balanced entirely around u having left/middle for maximized melee output
wild vortex
I just want my fav class to get some love
slender elm
Same
They need to buff right side and up base damage on oggy guns
Otherwise only rumbler is worth using
wild vortex
All the melees other than picks and clubs legitimately need reworks
Hell, even the clubs could use some touch ups
tall torrent
All the melees other than picks and clubs legitimately need reworks
I think all of them can use some help
even pickaxe
tho I think for pickaxe it prob should come in the form of new/buffed talents or blessing change
austere mica
ANOTHER 10 BILLION TO PSYKER!!!!!
wild vortex
tall torrent
pickaxe would benefit a lot from another 10% reliable atk speed bonus
og weapons generally can be a bit faster
wild vortex
The fact that there's so much overlap between Arbi and Ogryn except Arbi has a better arsenal and better tree...
tall torrent
I also think swift slaying would make a really good addition to og tree
hollow ibex
another clip to add to the DB propaganda pile
tall torrent
+20% melee atk speed for 6s after landing a crit melee hit
doesn't sound so busted given og's base crit chance is 2.5% and u NEED massacre to even get remote consistency for it
wild vortex
another clip to add to the DB propaganda pile
I have been REALLY enjoying your stealth bomber build
It made stealth fun
hollow ibex
it's the only way i've been able to make stealth enjoyable lol
wild vortex
Played it earlier today, forgot to take screenshot but I topped damage overall
It's so good
Just makes mixed hordes a complete non issue for your team
static crypt
inches away from clutching it
get sicked by a silent dog
gonna kms
it's never been more joever
dry cloak
I think that oggies damage should come just from straight numbers instead of buffs
drowsy perch
get sicked by a silent dog
dogs have been super fucked since the update
no idea what they did
half the time the dog is facing away from me and them fnaf jumpscares me or i dodge it but desync thinks it got me
livid crystal
and I'm on something outside of pickaxe
Pickaxe is so much fun to use
umbral scaffold
Sigmar giveth and Sigmar taketh away
south river
If I wanted to make a Veteran shocktrooper/stormtrooper build with Catachan and Combat shotgun what would I do?
Willing to switch to one of the Axes too
hexed arch
so i have a problem
i'm trying to do executioner helbore veteran, and i'm already pretty good at the executioner part, taking down specialists and elites consistently, but since helbore isn't a good close range option i'm looking for a good overall melee, other than t-axe
drowsy perch
i'm trying to do executioner helbore veteran, and i'm already pretty good at the...
dclaw is good for everything but armor
which the gun can take care of
drowsy perch
win
hexed arch
oh thanks
drowsy perch
yea
hexed arch
so you wouldn't change anything?
drowsy perch
im really good at flicking and my revolver set oneshots basically everything but mauler and crushers in auric/havoc
feels so good
hexed arch
you can flick the bolt pistol too
hexed arch
i've been using it for a while
but helbore is better for taking down specialists quickly
and from a distance
hexed arch
who doesn't
drowsy perch
and also no scope tbh
i wish it had one
maybe a mk variant or something but probably never
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/cGAG4ZQ aura farming gun tho
hexed arch
the concept of a scope in darktide seems redundant
calm shard
weapon customization mod adds a few and they're a neat novelty
but like
yeah they kinda suck
pseudo fiber
the concept of a scope in darktide seems redundant
We neeeeeed longlas tho 100%
hexed arch
i'm tired of the helbore
i want to be a quick and efficient and switch weapons constantly, i'll keep executioner but switch to melee specialist
and also bolt pistol
slow spade
Longlas with the sniper's piercing pls UwU
calm shard
We neeeeeed longlas tho 100%
Yeah it'd be cool but like...what would it do?
I think the las weapon family already has every reasonable archetype of gun in it
Doesn't have a braced autogun equivalent tho
So I could see hellgun being something along those lines
But what would longlas actually do gameplay wise
pseudo fiber
Yeah it'd be cool but like...what would it do?
Nothing I'm just more joking about people who think it should be included
Where do you use the sniper rifle tell me people who want it
calm shard
I'm not concerned about it being a sniper rifle I'm more concerned about "How do you make this not just Helbore 2"
steep flower
Doesn't have a braced autogun equivalent tho
Are there any in lore? 
tame granite
But what would longlas actually do gameplay wise
look sick as fuck
need me a bolt action las gun
why does it work that way? don't care
calm shard
that's what the fucking helbore is man
it being more powerful but slower firing is literally meant to mimic it being a bolt action rifle because the kriegers are WW1 themed
pseudo fiber
Cycling a round is cooler
calm shard
it's a laser
steep flower
Cycling a round is cooler
*battery 
heavy rover
Can you imagine a longlas with 15 stacks of marksman focus
pseudo fiber
It can do what a helbore can do but slower!
ember nest
I'm not concerned about it being a sniper rifle I'm more concerned about "How do...
You start by making the plasma gun actual blow shit up
grand perch
Why not Baneblade 1?