veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

nope

[exotic forge]

O

[hollow ibex]

frags do well with infil

not kraks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=69711611&is=696fc491&hm=c8a13345c872c092913c00af690b1c6a79de3657723b09d4540c7e41e7563177&

[torpid sundial]

yknow what

I like the power falchion a lot

[tribal dawn]

Personally I think it's okay. Not bad, not great either.

[torpid sundial]

I find it very fun and actually has okay TTK on crushers if you spec into melee

Definitely not going to work as well in havoc though

Just talking about auric

I dont dare bring it into havoc

[umbral urchin]

It feels better to use than the power sword but the power sword is just more powerful and useful in harder content

[torpid sundial]

I also found that the mark which has the double horizontal swings can actually proc decapitator pretty often enough

So it ups the damage a lot into mixed hordes and elites

Just need a one shot at least once every 8s

Been using the mk1 but Ive been trying the IIb and I think I like it more

Even if I lose the horizontal light/heavies

[torpid sundial]

what are your picks for power falchion perks/blessings though

[tall torrent]

Unyielding/flak, carapace
Cranial grounding
Energy leakage/wrath

[tall torrent]

Decapitator is one of the worst blessings in the game because of its activation condition

[torpid sundial]

should swap my maniac to unyielding ig

though I dont find myself hitting bosses that much

[torpid sundial]

yeah I get its activation condition

[tall torrent]

Unyielding is mainly to kill bulwark faster

[torpid sundial]

but I still find that I can reliably get stacks up in games

just due to the horizontals

its 8s too

[tall torrent]

Are u sure u get it

[torpid sundial]

yup

[tall torrent]

Because it requires a 1 hit kill on a full health enemy

[torpid sundial]

I know

any dot would remove it

but in a game with thousands and thousands of enemies

[tall torrent]

So on anything that’s relevant it’s not gonna stack up

It only stacks up from horde units

[torpid sundial]

yeah basically

it lasts 8 seconds

so you cleave into hordes

then use extra damage to do big damage on elites

a very significant increase in dps

I'll have to try it more

[tall torrent]

It is a significant dps increase when it’s active

[narrow frost]

With how the slot system works the elites will always be front

[tall torrent]

It just isn’t active much

[torpid sundial]

you can spam horizontals into horde+elites and it'll work out in most cases imo

either way I'll keep trying it

been trying the other blessings but I dont think they make a significant impact

energy leakage/wrath isnt toooo big

[tall torrent]

Wrath is just basic cleave increase

[torpid sundial]

yeh

[tall torrent]

Its cleave is not that good

Leakage is also really basic gradual strength bonus

This weapon’s blessing pool sucks

They also kinda borked its attack templates

And the heat gauge mechanic

[torpid sundial]

I like heat gauge

compared to power sword anyways

[tall torrent]

The issue is that vet wants a reliable workhorse melee and falchion isn’t one

You only get ~20s of activated sword

Before it goes to cool down for ~13s

And its unpowered attack profiles are horrendous

[torpid sundial]

Its okayish since I swap in and out of it using shotgun as secondary

[tall torrent]

Even its powered attacks aren’t that impressive

[torpid sundial]

I mean its definitely not optimal but like

Its much more workable than some other weaps

[tall torrent]

Yea I guess it beats DC sword and Chainsword

[torpid sundial]

Would rate it at like 6.5/10 or something in terms of pure damage and usability

or 7 maybe

[tall torrent]

It gets a very solid 5/10

Maybe even 4.5/10

[torpid sundial]

Ive only been using it for melee vet

its not gonna be good for a ranged vet

But I find it pretty nice for melee + shotgun

[tall torrent]

It’s kinda “better” for ranged vet because it’s not a workhorse melee weapon

But tac axe mogs it as a self defense weapon

[torpid sundial]

the mk1 has pretty respectable crusher ttk so I like it

[tall torrent]

It’s ok but only while activated

[torpid sundial]

and it does okay in groups of ragers as well

well yeah

[tall torrent]

If this thing was perma activated it actually wouldn’t be that bad

[torpid sundial]

but I dont find myself overheating in the heat of things often

[tall torrent]

I’d give it like a 7.5/10 if it was perma activated

But it isn’t and the downtime is far too long

[torpid sundial]

since I swap in and out

its just good with weap spec

since you dont want to be locked out

[tall torrent]

Swap doesn’t reset heat so it doesn’t matter that much

[torpid sundial]

its enough

[tall torrent]

You still only get ~20s of activated sword

[torpid sundial]

no anim to off it when you swap out too

a few seconds with melee, swap to ranged, 2-3s as ranged, swap back and you'll rarely overheat

[tall torrent]

Maybe if it cooled down significantly faster if off hand, plus a bunch of atk template buffs and buffed heat gauge, with better blessings (including sunder) it would actually be good

[torpid sundial]

like you can stay in melee:ranged in a 7:3 ratio

and you'll be fine

Just give it brutal momentum or something

lmao

[tall torrent]

Nah

[torpid sundial]

Sunder is great too

why does pow sword have it but not falchion

Actually, I want supercharge on it

[tall torrent]

Because they don’t want to make another broken melee

[torpid sundial]

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t matter that much

Supercharge is dogshit

[tall torrent]

But

They made falchion essentially

Rashad tier mobility

But < 1/2 of power sword’s damage output

And it’s not even “fast”

If it attacked fast at baseline it could carve out a niche as a weapon u can skip TFD for

But there’s rly nothing special going on with it that makes it specifically better at certain roles

[torpid sundial]

Its fun

[tall torrent]

So the result is that ranged builds are just better off with tac axe for self defense

And melee dps is still just power sword

[torpid sundial]

I find it more fun than pow sword and thats what matters

Now just need fatshark to buff it

[tall torrent]

That was brought up like

Almost 3 months ago?

[torpid sundial]

Its okay ogryn’s paul took like 2 years

(Its still not great)

[tall torrent]

I would prefer if they made mk2b the better variant for falchion tbh

Wish the push atk used heavy_tank profile so that when activated it can break rager combo

There’re a lot of wishes from me lol

Alas

[torpid sundial]

Is there even a reason why they cant make it similar or slightly lower power level than the pow sword since it just gives players more options rather than replacing it

[tall torrent]

I think they overcorrected on too many fronts

[torpid sundial]

Did it use to be stronger?

[tall torrent]

2025’s weapon releases were overall pretty mediocre

[torpid sundial]

Ah

[tall torrent]

Power sword used to be extra op yes

I’m guessing they made falchion based on reception to power sword

And nerfed it in every area that power sword was exceptionally good at

[fair shale]

Idk how you add a melee to vet tbh, people are just gonna go "well it isnt psword"

[tall torrent]

And just pasted relic blade’s heat gauge without as much consideration

[tall torrent]

I think vet can use a strong general purpose melee that handles mixed horde & carapace well enough but doesn’t weigh 68kg

It doesn’t have to be as high dps as power sword

But <half is a bit much

[fair shale]

Isn't this just CAxe?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe doesn’t do cleave well

It does stagger better (can stagger crusher) but vet is really missing that general purpose cleave melee in their toolkit

You currently can only get power sword which goes full overboard with cleave

And tbh best combat axe user is hvs rn by a pretty wide margin

[fair shale]

I think comparing most melees to Scum is kinda unfair

[tall torrent]

Well

[fair shale]

Due to the raw numerical advantage scum has

Thats a class that makes DClaw an actually viable weapon

[tall torrent]

Hvs melee is higher high than power sword but also way lower lows

It fluctuates entirely around u having rampage active or not

[fair shale]

I mean yeah, sure. I'm just saying I think they should be considered an outlier for balance purposes.

[tall torrent]

Vet doesn’t get as much atk speed is the thing

They were this “I hit hard but atk slower” melee archetype

Which is ok but in that regard power sword is always just gonna do more dps

Esp with the elevated scab enemy health pools

[quasi jasper]

I like how the power sword goes BZZT-SCHA

But sometimes I wish it could be more like FWOOSH- KI

Or even CREK-PAH

You know what I mean?

[slender elm]

You want lightsaber noises

[quasi jasper]

No, that would be more VROUM-BOU

Put another way, the power sword can feel like 80s metal, but sometimes I wish it could accelerate into 2010s math rock

[full kayak]

A lot of popular vet builds are pretty narrowminded imo.

Agile engagement and a lot of those talents on right side near the weapon specialist keystone are crazy good but I hardly ever see them being properly utilized.

Get a melee kill and a crit? Quickly switch and hipfire a shot or two from your choice pistol into the horde using that 45% damage buff you're getting for 6 seconds to kill an enemy, any enemy. Switch back, 10 seconds of attack speed from wep spec and 25% damage from agile engagement.

6 seconds pass? Repeat

Crazy good with Shovel, dagger, tac axe, dsword. Anything really

Less good with power weapons cus you get less good attacks in those six second bursts because you have to spend a second turning on the power button.

Wep spec talents can keep slow loading weapons like revolver and bpistol topped up without having to do much else, though rapid switching back and forth each time you kill an enemy takes so little time that there's almost no visual indicator that you did it. Lpistol is disgustingly reliable and a great source of boss damage, although you'll want to skimp on some talents to get the lascrit one. You can fire it so fast out of a switch that the laser animation will appear to completely whiff because the barrel isn't even pointed forward yet.

Highest damage I've done since I got the scoreboard mod was 1mil and nearly 1mil overkill on auric maelstrom with shovel/revolver vet. Power swords are a lie sold by big power to sell you more coal plants.

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty marginal

Power sword is still way higher damage

[full kayak]

Ngl that is pretty sexy

iirc if you're really getting mobbed, the charge animation can catch attacks you'd rather dodge or toughness tank, which can get you stunned if your stam is low. Obv though, power sword is an incredible room clearer, but I still find it to be a much more awkward choice than dagger or shovel in a pinch.

[tall torrent]

Push solves most of this vs horde units

It’s one of the few weapons where knowing push apart from push attack is relevant

[loud kiln]

Just picked up my vet after months of not touching him

Ran through iprising with a full squad of level 30s that didn't know what they were doing

How are you level 30 and going down on the lowest diff man

I had no talents on and still carried

[rough stream]

playing exe stance again for the first time in years just to feel alive again

[oak valve]

Maybe it's 'cause you built like a baller?

[loud kiln]

I was only using a recon las

[torpid sundial]

My scoreboard has been crashing my game and I dont know why

[loud kiln]

In surprised to see plasma gun is still meta

[austere mica]

(Its not)

[loud kiln]

I don't even use it

Never liked it

[oak valve]

My situation is that the Plas don't like me.

[uneven loom]

someone has a build to recommend? trying to play veteran rn, and it just feels miserable

[austere mica]

Check pins

[loud kiln]

When the recon las can spit lasers faster then grandma gets her social security, im not using anything else

[austere mica]

First one has a guide with a few example builds

[loud kiln]

Simply grab a power sword, and grab a bolter, and pretend your a space marine

[austere mica]

Nope

Combat shotgun

Slugs that make bolt shells look like toys

[loud kiln]

Not when the bullet coming out the bolter is a rocket propelled APHE round

[austere mica]

An agri combat slug does 2000 damage

Sorry

[loud kiln]

I find funny that lore wise, a bolter would rip a humans arm off without augmentation or training. Here in darktide? Everyone gets to use one

[austere mica]

2270 on crit headshot

[austere mica]

Wrong

[tame granite]

they make non astartes bolters

[loud kiln]

Skill issue

[austere mica]

Bolters are used by unaugmented humans all the time

[loud kiln]

I did say or training

[austere mica]

All guns need training

[tame granite]

training doesn't beat physics lmao

[austere mica]

Its not like its going to tear your arms off

Just surprise you

[tame granite]

if it's strong enough to rip off your arm no training will counteract that

[distant mural]

I do wonder tho why the bolter doesnt have a shoulder stock

Like

[tall torrent]

it's one of them

[austere mica]

And maybe make you sprain something because holding it bad

[distant mural]

How are your wrists intact

[austere mica]

Yeah I know but its easier to say this

[loud kiln]

There are ways to properly brace a weapon, or it could dislocate a shoulder

[tame granite]

most of the bolter acceleration is done outside of the barrel maybe??

[austere mica]

Cause they didn't look good on minis

So they just didn't get them

[tame granite]

idk they've always been nonsense who cares it's 40k

[distant mural]

Yeah thats sound smore like it

[loud kiln]

Its cool to give the men the big boy guns

The astra militarum needs to feel special before their 15 hours are up

[austere mica]

There are older patterns that did have stocks/braces but they have since been phased out on models in favor of the giant brick one they had for ages, and now the primaris tactislop

[distant mural]

I like the bolter but i think it makes no sense it doesnt have a stock

[loud kiln]

I souls imagine it's because the mark whatever space marine armor makes it really hard to brace anything with those fucking shoulder padd

[distant mural]

That will 100% dislocate ur wrists

[austere mica]

They just hipfire

Or like

Light raise to eye

[distant mural]

On space marines i get it they have power armor and are strong af

[loud kiln]

A full auto bolter souls be 100% be killing a regular dude

[austere mica]

Human soldiers could shoot flying birds from the hip

[tame granite]

"bent wrist shooting" is the technical name I think

[austere mica]

Super soldiers in the year 40,000 can do it with the aid of a tactical display easily

[loud kiln]

Space marines can make sniper shots half way across planets man

I'm not sure skill is an issue

[tame granite]

please provide a source

[austere mica]

What

[loud kiln]

Think it was raven guard specifically

[tall torrent]

u sure that's space marine and not vindicare

[azure narwhal]

Bolters and bistols have many different patterns, what we see used is not the same as the famous astartes bolters

[austere mica]

Half way across a planet is called through the ground

[azure narwhal]

Which is why its not that comically sized too

[loud kiln]

I'm not sure 40k cares about physics...

Necrons exist

[loud kiln]

I assume they're just less poerful or domething

[tame granite]

afaik they're the same caliber
probably just a mag size and barrel length, for how little that matters with rocket assisted munitions

[azure narwhal]

Basically, x thing but guardsman sized. Power fists too. Notice how commissars weild them but they have nothing to do with astartes pfists

[tame granite]

I'm pretty sure all bolts guns are .50 cals because it's the caliber that sounds the coolest

[loud kiln]

Firing that at full auto should still dislocate a shoulder

[austere mica]

Its like .75 to 1in

[loud kiln]

Its confusing to me that a spearhead bolter is automatic from the hip and not braced

[austere mica]

Gameplay

[tame granite]

not when the gun weighs as much as it appears to, it has a lot of inertia to overcome

[oak valve]

Can't standard bolters blam right through astartes armor with each round?

[austere mica]

Depends

[tame granite]

also, again rocket assisted munitions which means a lot of our assumptions about ballistics are skewed

[loud kiln]

Not really, you still have to expect recoil from such a large caliber repeatedly

Can't really fire that without incredible strength like we do in game

[livid sphinx]

Do people ever use Competitive Urge?

[austere mica]

No

Well

Yes

They shouldn't

[livid sphinx]

It sounds good but yeah I never see people use it

[loud kiln]

The only thing competive about it is my urge to not use it

[tall torrent]

it's not good

[livid sphinx]

Even in auric maelstroms or havocs?

[tall torrent]

even in super high density mode like havoc the uptime isn't great

only active for ~20% of combat encounters' duration

[austere mica]

Its also competing with a +25 and rending strikes sooooo

[livid sphinx]

Hmmm alright. I didnt expect a 2.5% would have such a huge difference from Demolition Team's 5%

[austere mica]

Demo team procing actually means something

CU procing is a small bonus on the pile

[tall torrent]

the issue is that it only works from ur teammates' kills and doesn't last that long

[loud kiln]

Demo team counts for everyone in cohetency iirc

[tall torrent]

the bonus itself is fairly decent

20% global dmg

the uptime just isn't there unfortunately

[livid sphinx]

ohhhh right

wtf why did fatshark do that

[loud kiln]

Fatshark wants people to pay in very specific ways

Then will punish you for it

They're not very smart

[azure narwhal]

In books it's often depicted that distance and aim matter the most
Unloading bolter mag onto astartes far away is usually just "bolts scrape and dent ceramite, as the astartes is pushed back by a line of fire"

Actual bolter kills are often CCQ and very violent

[tall torrent]

if u somehow have that extra 1 point for additional dmg spec on top of vet's general build

marksman is usually better than comp urge

better bonus & has actual predictable uptime

[loud kiln]

I mean its a rocker propelled round. Once it hits peak velocity after whatever distance, that's the end of the story for anyone

[oak valve]

I see, I see.
I just heard the diamantine-tipped bolter rounds punch right through astartes armor.
It's just that tough.

Then SM2's nerf-esque weaponry annoys me.

[austere mica]

Once again

It depends

[loud kiln]

Bolters at distance should be game ending even living metal

[austere mica]

Nothing in 40k is consistent besides everything being horrible at all times

[oak valve]

This is true.

[austere mica]

This is what happens when you have a double digit writer count

Over 40 years

[loud kiln]

I think its more gameplay purposed

[azure narwhal]

This is very important to also understand

[loud kiln]

The weapons have stayed pretty consistent in books as far as I've read

[azure narwhal]

You can build a semi consistent basis of logic in 40k

[austere mica]

Then you haven't read very far

[azure narwhal]

But it doesnt really exist

Different writers especially

Cause controversies like this

[loud kiln]

The only consistency you really get is from codexes

[tall torrent]

no they're also wildly inconsistent

what is lasgun capable of

[loud kiln]

Just roll the dice man

[azure narwhal]

Seeing SM2's depiction of melta weapons gave me all sorts of weirded out expressions

[austere mica]

More energy than the entire american power grid in one shot
Will bounce off ceramic

[loud kiln]

The las can pen that tank trust

[silver patrol]

just a chance to instantly smite the target with the wrath of god or tickle him

[loud kiln]

Which one was the microwave gun?

[austere mica]

Melta

Kinda

Meltas are weird

[loud kiln]

I think it's weird that you have a microwave gun that doesn't instantly cook meat in 40k

[austere mica]

They get shotgun treatment in games but are more like fuck off fusion torches or masers

[silver patrol]

i cannot even imagine who is the idiot that made an anti-tank weapon basically melee ranged

[loud kiln]

Cause the funny table top war game needs balance

[austere mica]

Yarp

[loud kiln]

Even though my necrons in every sense of the word are utterly busted in 40k

[livid sphinx]

I remember in DOW when melta weapons were literally huge laser beams

[azure narwhal]

Funny bluish-purple string of superheated beam

[slender elm]

Lascannons are a thing

[azure narwhal]

My favourite depiction

[austere mica]

Yeah thats closer to what they're "supposed" to be

[loud kiln]

The infinite and the divine is the perfect book to show how little necrons give a shit about anything that isn't them

Just deploy 200 destroyers and the planet will not exist in 1500 years

[livid sphinx]

Though yeah it was kinda weird that we have two laser weapons but one is blue and one was red

[austere mica]

Darktide plasma is probably the coolest digital depiction

[livid sphinx]

las for red melta for blue

[austere mica]

Instead of blue grenade launcher its railgun

[livid sphinx]

I remember thinking darktide plasma was a projectile because every 40k game depicts the plasma as a projectile weapon

[loud kiln]

Visually its lacking i find when other people are using it. There's literally no effect for it except for an occasional random blue line

[livid sphinx]

darktide plasma is the DOW melta

Though Darktide has the best depiction of a bolter in any 40K game

and DOW has the weakest

its literally just a machine gun in DOW

[loud kiln]

I want it firing blue plasma like i see in other 40k media

Here it feels more like a shockwave

[slender elm]

Not even, they fire in 4 round bursts

[shell bane]

Hey guys I'm trying to do adept assassin, which gun can get me the highest possible crit chance with blessings?

[silver patrol]

helbore or revolver i think

[austere mica]

Weapon specialist provides 100% baseline

[livid sphinx]

Yeah but when they hit, its just either a spark or a splurt of blood

[austere mica]

You don't need that

Just use revolver or something

[livid sphinx]

not like in Darktide where its an explosion of gore

[silver patrol]

don't bolters in dow have bullet trails

[slender elm]

Problem is, marine models are some of the lowest range dps squads

[silver patrol]

while normal ballistic guns don't

[livid sphinx]

Every shot of the bolter in Darktide is like bukakkee on Nurgle's face

[silver patrol]

also yeah normal marines are tier1-2 units

[slender elm]

Oh wait we talking dow1

[livid sphinx]

Every gun in dow that uses ammo has a trail

[silver patrol]

i don't remember shootas having them

[loud kiln]

That's when the bullet works properly. Against flesh the bullet usually just goes through them entirely. I think they do a good job of feigning that in this game with the chance of them exploding

[slender elm]

Idk how good they are in dow1 cuz model count and special weapons

[livid sphinx]

I just assume its the limitations of the time

[austere mica]

Its not a chance to explode its when they cap cleave

[slender elm]

In dow2 they have really low dps from range

[loud kiln]

I wouldn't know, to busy killing things at that point

[silver patrol]

yeah the problem in dow is that bolters have to be the baseline default weapons for marines

[austere mica]

Boltgun has like 3 or so cleave so it pops on the second poxwalker or on contact with basically everything else

[livid sphinx]

Yeah that one too. I guess its really hard to balance what is supposed to be a 4 man army in an rts game

[loud kiln]

Can't really see that when there's 15meters of flesh around me in any direction

[austere mica]

I just have a funny killstreak mod so I can see it gets 2 kills per shot

[loud kiln]

By then usually everything is blowing up into red mist

[calm shard]

not only this but I recently discovered that for some unknowable fucking reason your gun will actually always cleave an enemy if you overkill them by a certain amount

[austere mica]

Yeah I saw

[calm shard]

which path has told me is not a thing in the code, but is clearly a thing when testing in the psykhanium

god knows why it happens

[loud kiln]

Overkill is the best kill

[austere mica]

The fuckin helbore v crusher collat

[calm shard]

only possible because of weapon customization damage bug

but god imagine

[loud kiln]

I see crusher and immediately make it not exist

[calm shard]

speaking of helbore I saw an actually half decent helbore gamer in my last match

[loud kiln]

Rediscovering vets bottomless grenades as a build makes killing big boys an afterthought

[calm shard]

it was nice to see what a helbore vet looks like from someone elses PoV instead of just from me playing it

[loud kiln]

I all occasionally run it, but I'm bad with it

No idea how I'm supposed to use it in a hoard shooter when it's so slow

Recon las for life

Our cast souls stop giving ogryn ideas

[tall torrent]

Or because meat grinder is local host with no lag compensation and the game just starts acting weird

Not a first

[calm shard]

no weapon customization mod is confirmed to be bugged and double your damage in local lobbies

[tall torrent]

Ik that

I mean this “overkill cleave” thing

[calm shard]

oh

[tall torrent]

Does it happen in live games

[calm shard]

p sure it does

[tall torrent]

Do u have clips

I can ask

[calm shard]

well I probably have done it inadvertently in a lot of clips but never thought to look for it intentionally

since I wasn't aware it was a thing that could happen

[tall torrent]

Do u still have that meat grinder clip

[loud kiln]

I was about to say, I'm running dpearhead bolter right now and having no such instances

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1455106126465994782/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.29_-_01.51.53.27.mp4?ex=6971d72f&is=697085af&hm=25c3dec2ea5de3b50e47c97e93cee7e1d9ec57e8adadee9fca46a937a0fa891c&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1455103045015699617/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.29_-_01.38.59.21.mp4?ex=6971d450&is=697082d0&hm=8fa5383e6580c3e75e202798e37c6b1e6ec755110dfb80447373781aa2650714&

I think you should be able to do the plasma gunner overkill cleave in-game with enough damage actually

how much cleave does helbore IV have again? @tall torrent

[loud kiln]

That just looks like regular damage cleave to me

[calm shard]

so I know what enemies it shouldn't be able to cleave

[tall torrent]

3

[tall torrent]

Have u ever gotten this without weapon customization mod

[calm shard]

no, but then I only became aware of the possibility of it because of it

but ye I can turn it off see if it still happens

[loud kiln]

I mean, it could be highly likely that it is a bug leading to unintended interactions

[calm shard]

okay that is indeed just another weird part of the weapon customization bug

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

I think you should test everything with that turned off

[calm shard]

well when I saw that happening initially I wasn't aware that weapon customization was bugged yet xd

[tall torrent]

Most unstable mod in DT history

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1459272363664347248/cooking-does-he-know.gif

[loud kiln]

It's not uncommon

Bugs in games usually lead to other bugs

[calm shard]

not bug in game

bug in mod

[loud kiln]

They should really patch that up...

[frigid egret]

what masteries would you guys suggest for the helbore

[calm shard]

surgical is top priority

then weight of fire

then armoursbane then hot-shot

everything else is largely irrelevant

[frigid egret]

thank you !

[steep flower]

Correction; on mk3 falter is good too

[thorny seal]

CADIA STANDS CADIA LIVES.

[molten igloo]

finally got them all

vanilla drip

[forest scaffold]

short king

[frigid egret]

FOR CADIA

[vagrant dagger]

i also made my vet a manlet because i thought he'd eat less bullets that way
as for f2p drip, i'm only missing a black helmet to go with it. it needs the long bomb penance but the timer on grenades is WAY too long

i have these exact pants but a different vest with more greebles and stuff

[slender elm]

i just wear the IG armor with a bunch of fucking purity seals

[formal ice]

Losers can't move on from space pebbles

[molten igloo]

idk what map it was but i got mine when i lobbed it down from the top of a giant staircase

fuse time is buns

[vestal widget]

throw it a few times in psykanium to see what kinda (i think it's like 60-75 degrees? but it's been a while) angle you need to basically airburst it onto a horde a little bit in front of you

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1397384963984457888/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.22_-_20.06.16.11.DVR.mp4?ex=697178a9&is=69702729&hm=8f356459c1d31bbf037724a8d74a9b087a402474bf5fdf44ce374a09ab4b687a&

[tame granite]

there's a line up for it at the start of one of the assassination maps iirc

I think chasm station?

you just kinda yeet one at the start of the mission and eventually it airbursts a pack

[unreal nova]

Do it at bridges.

Train is a gamble but you can try from the drop down, aiming at an angle for it to fly over the high middle thing and hope there's enough spawns.

Take a lethal prox bistol with tinkerer.

[stiff glacier]

man i wish infantry lasgun had surgical

albeit might be a bit busted with shock trooper

[calm shard]

would make no difference

ilas has infinite ammo surgical or not

[unreal nova]

Unless your aim is like 70% body shots, lul.

[calm shard]

even then

[stiff glacier]

now im thinking lasgun build for havoc

[calm shard]

no point in using them

they're directly outclassed by the laspistol which does the exact same thing with better damage/crit

or the helbores

[stiff glacier]

but i do relish being a hipster

[calm shard]

laspistol and helbores are already hipster choices too xd

[stiff glacier]

i do have mk4 helbore build havoc viable sitting and waiting

i wonder what other stupid shit i could make

[crimson wyvern]

Is armorbane from hellbore useful for your havoc buddies

why wouldn't it be

is there some jank with rotten armour where it just doesnt work

[trim badger]

It works but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to shoot them due to their rotten resistance mechanic

Just throw kraks/ keep an eye for the specials coming

[serene bough]

Rotten enemies take reduced dmg in ranged iirc

Theres also several dozens of rotten enemies being thrown at you at once

[tame lodge]

No

Hope I answered that

🫡

[azure narwhal]

You can run MkV with surgical + armourbane, but you'd do a better job with MkIV surgical + WoF
It of course won't prove quite benefitial to the team as gameplay is seldom that coordinated.
Though on MkIIIa and especially MkIV WoF has quite the value.

If you're really dead set on shooting cara

MkIV with MMF, + 25 cara and what i said earlier

[tame lodge]

M̵͍̺̀̐k̵̼̀͐5̸̡́͠ ̸̫̺̇͗S̸͔̘̊u̶̠̞̍r̵̹̃g̴ical ̴̙̐I̸̬̍ṋ̸͒̐f̷͈̌͝ę̷̓̍rnŭ̪͗s̶̗̓̀

[azure narwhal]

Sounds kinda fun for auric

But i dont think charging would suffice would it

Maybe treating it like a pseudo ilas tapping to farm infernus

[tame lodge]

I mean
There's no point for it in Auric

[azure narwhal]

I'm afraid i do not have the steel balls to take this to havoc

[tame lodge]

Good

[azure narwhal]

[tame lodge]

Infernus Helbore is for the really desperate people

[azure narwhal]

You are the first time i actually hear of it

[tame lodge]

Because dots ignore rotten

Or pus hardened skin

[azure narwhal]

Yeah though its still surprising

Atp just run some shredder frag build mane

[tame lodge]

True

[azure narwhal]

Idk maybe a case of people who

Like one thing and wanna use it for everything

It's like the classic

"How do i do good against everything with shock trooper recon"

[slender elm]

I should take smokes on db shotty yeah?

Have 0 options to deal with snipers lol

[crimson wyvern]

what is mmf

is my current long las, im a true level 300 veteran on havoc 26ish atm

[calm shard]

Marksman's Focus

Left tree keystone

[crimson wyvern]

just wanna make sure im putting the most into this thing i can

oh r

[calm shard]

that thing

[crimson wyvern]

yeah im on left keystone alre thx

[calm shard]

Mk IV doesn't use armoursbane btw

already 2 shots crushers

[crimson wyvern]

even havoc?

oh wait you're using that ability

ive been using shout

[crimson wyvern]

not taking killzone?

[calm shard]

15% not worth a talent

also I'm experimenting with this build it's not my normal

[crimson wyvern]

i checked its up time for something always up its p good

unless the mod is bugged

[calm shard]

mod is not bugged the talent itself does not turn off on the buff bar when it isn't active

[azure narwhal]

Shout with helbore is not really synergetic. Paired with confirmed kill, you simply enter exe stance, shoot heads to proc MMF, procing exe stance again in the process, as it keeps you alive alongside confirmed

Besides the obvious advantage of wallhacks and more ranged dmg

[calm shard]

nah shout works with helbore if you're inexperienced

since the knockback gives you space to shoot things

[azure narwhal]

Definitely

I get biased here

But i do like to always recommend what works best

[crimson wyvern]

im not inexpierenced, (i know this laughable im not goliath rank 50150385923058u32 but still)

[azure narwhal]

Id rather not get close to maybe building bad habits for others

[crimson wyvern]

i just thought peopel thought I'd be throwing if not using it

like zealot not taking book

[calm shard]

yeah can def 2 shot a havoc 40 crusher

[azure narwhal]

The opposite (not that extreme) but you'll always be questioned for taking armourbane over WoF on MkIV helbore for example

[calm shard]

4870 on crit headshot

[crimson wyvern]

Can you tell me why weight of fire doesnt work against surgical? Does it just give you more surgical stacks quicker?

[azure narwhal]

No, weight of fire does give you less time in surgical
But this does not matter when you account for the large DPS increase that it is

[calm shard]

you don't actually need a crit for most enemies to kill

barely even need to charge the gun for most

[crimson wyvern]

👍 Gotcha thanks

hellbores my bread and butter and run it daily in auric just not sure what im doing in high havoc

[calm shard]

the same thing mostly just y'know this time you have to hope your teammates aren't sniffing glue instead of fighting in melee a bit more

[crimson wyvern]

more like rune cringe

[tame lodge]

He's crunging his rune

[calm shard]

amusing how comparable the damage spread between helbore vet and gun scum is

[crimson wyvern]

im guessing this isnt applicable to rotten armour crushers

can i see the build you're using just in case im going wrong

[tame lodge]

Rotten Armor just gets a 75% damage resistance at high health

Crushers are even tanking thunder hammer boss 1 shot setup

[real loom]

Can u do without stacks

[steep flower]

Sorry but every time i see any form of ‚Twitch TV’ or ‚TTV’ i laugh my ass off
Even more when they are mediocre/bad at the game…
I dislike such self promotion (and ‚like & subscribe’ everytime in every vid a blud is posting - begging mentality smh)

[real loom]

Also why are you using close quarters killzone I thought no one uses those 10s abilities

[loud kiln]

As someone who plays the finals, it's funnier when their mechanical skill is dogshit and think playing like CoD will work

Then some will even use cronos

[real loom]

Is the finals have hacker problem still

[crimson wyvern]

you'd be surprised the amount of people I get that come along to the strea to say hi. I realize how cringe it is but it genuinely does work and bring people together

[loud kiln]

0 recoil cheats then going 20-0 to a fucking sword is embarassing

[crimson wyvern]

*stream

[loud kiln]

No, it's mostly just people with 0 recoil cheats, which is pretty tame

[crimson wyvern]

its not that I want to make a career, but the alternative is what we have now, incel-loner mourning star nobody socializes dont talk to me

[steep flower]

Atleast you are aware its cringe
I can respect self-awareness

[crimson wyvern]

I wish I could tell people what the internet was like back in 2005 when people wanted to be with each other

[loud kiln]

Self-promo is free promo

[real loom]

I use to play in season 1 but when I was won too much it started putting me against chinese name characters only

And they were tracking through walls and only landing headshots

[loud kiln]

I think the only cheater I've had this season was a guy with an IP address for a name

Was running dagger and would dash behind you and instantly lock onto your back

1 hit kill if your not heavy

Beyond that its mostly just 0 recoil people, which isn't a problem if your not playing too win

[real loom]

Wow so thats why everyone went heavy

[loud kiln]

No, light is still the goto

[real loom]

The meta before was like all heavies in high lvl

[loud kiln]

The meta now is light medium heavy, has been for several seasons

The light can break off and pick off opps with their unrivaled dps and movement before regrouping with the medium and heavy

Medium fictionally acts as support and heavy as a tank

[calm shard]

oh neat so the meta now is that all the roles actually function as expected and advertised

good to see

[loud kiln]

Necessarily true

It's just what works

The finals was made with player expression in mind. You could play the heavy as a force of nature

You can 1shot lights in so many ways as heavy its not even funny how annoying it can be

In the right scenario the light can outclass a medium in support, and the medium can out damage a light

Heavy heavy medium is a very real, very scary combo

[past plover]

is infantry lasgun veteran dead? or do i just completely suck on it?

havign major trouble to even survive a game of heresy cO but with the hive scum playing auric feels easier

[quick shell]

Ilas is one of the weaker weapons for vet atm

possibly the weakest?

[real loom]

One of weakest weapons in game

[past plover]

i see, any suggestions?

also is the power falchgion decent?

[real loom]

Las pistol is similar

Helbore has more dmg but the charge mechanic

Plasma is the meta

Agrip shotgun is good for single target sniping

[past plover]

wait u tellin me laspistol > infantry lasgun?

[real loom]

Ya

Power falcion not that good

[calm shard]

yeah it's effectively a direct upgrade

[sweet coyote]

It's a very forgiving weapon to use, it has good dodge and movement compared to power sword. But damage wise it is about half as powerful tbh.

[calm shard]

half is generous

power falchion is mediocre to below average at everything

[sweet coyote]

I mean it does give you style points

[calm shard]

on vet no brautos are far far worse

[past plover]

i mean i am still usign the battle axe xD

[calm shard]

ilas is completely outclassed not actually that bad

[sweet coyote]

Boudicea, go power sword/plasma gun and never look back.

[quick shell]

I mean, if u want to run a strong loadout becuase it's strong that's a fine choice

and dont get me wrong i enjoy both weapons

but if they aren't weapons u enjoy i wouldnt

[past plover]

i mean i loved my counter sniper vet with lasguna nd battle axe but both weapons feel super weak now and it is no fun dying agaisn blight shamblers because i can not kill them fast enough

[real loom]

Do vets still use dueling sword/combat knife

[calm shard]

yes

[quick shell]

ok nice

i got a 70/70 plasma

[real loom]

Ive been using psword for a long time

[calm shard]

combat axe is probably 2nd best melee on vet after power sword

desperately needs the attack speed from weapon specialist and trench fighter drill

[loud kiln]

Recon las gun is the best
This message was sponsered by the astra militarum

[quick shell]

is rolling for a 71/69 worth if i have a 70/70?

seems like a huge investment

[calm shard]

infantry lasgun is kinda shit, and heavily dependent on being on an actual gun build

which is mutually exclusive with what axe wants

[distant mural]

Lasgun and pistol need some love.

[real loom]

If you do use it just use it to take out specials and maybe shooters

[quick shell]

pistol is fine i think

[past plover]

i run it on a crit stamina build

[loud kiln]

Feel like dueling sword is in direct opposition of this

[distant mural]

The laspistol is nice to plink gunners and specials yeah.

[past plover]

with 1 stam 2 toughness curios

[real loom]

Idk if lasgun even has high crit damage

[calm shard]

also has some of the highest dps into monstrosities and ogryns in the game

[distant mural]

Ds is just ds.

[past plover]

it used to xD

[quick shell]

laspistol has crazy good unyielding adms

right?

[calm shard]

still good yeah

just not laspistol good

[distant mural]

Idk i just feel like im missing something when im using it.

[calm shard]

and they're effectively the same weapon

[calm shard]

probably the enemies head is what you're missing

[distant mural]

That too yeah

[quick shell]

lmao

[loud kiln]

That's why i use recon las gun

[past plover]

hipfire accuracy is abysmal on infantry lasgun xD

[loud kiln]

Can't miss when I'm shooting an endless volley

[distant mural]

[past plover]

so imma give powersword a try

[loud kiln]

Call it "surpressive" fire

[distant mural]

The falchion is also kinda nice.

[real loom]

Use the IV one

[past plover]

i got told the falchion is bad xD

[quick shell]

do u mean mk6?

[distant mural]

Its not as powerfull yeah

[real loom]

Oh ya VI

[distant mural]

But its not bad imo

[quick shell]

yeah i was gonna say

u said mk4 and psword doesn't have a mk4

[loud kiln]

Recon las is h40 viable

[quick shell]

anything is h40 viable if ur good enough

[past plover]

well aparently i am no longer xD

[loud kiln]

I mean, recon las is still a cut above

[distant mural]

Just try it all out honestly.

[loud kiln]

No, only recon las

Nothing else exists

Everyone else is wrong and spreading miss info

[past plover]

xD

wellp now i need luck to get a decent power sword xD

[real loom]

Recon vet is good but desperado hive scum does it and better 😏

[past plover]

somehow i can not get a 450+ one from the nice servitor salesman

[loud kiln]

Heresey

[past plover]

my take exactly abotu the coutner gunenr vet tbh

[quick shell]

it's true tho

[distant mural]

Just roll basics

[real loom]

Most ppl look at the max stats then upgrade a good one with like 60% mobility

[distant mural]

Until u get a good one

[calm shard]

no a good vet is vastly better at it than gun scum is

like there's an entire solar system between the two of them

[past plover]

highest i got was 320

[loud kiln]

This is vet propoganda

[past plover]

so thats the way to go now?

[distant mural]

U can upgrade

[calm shard]

power sword it's cleave targets

[distant mural]

The stats are what matter

[real loom]

Wait it might be cleave targets is the dump stat im not sure

[past plover]

really? feels liek scum is just more fun and mobile and easier to play as well

[real loom]

Yes now that you can upgrade weapons

[loud kiln]

Scum is very specific

Doesn't offer the same job benefits as vet for using ranged weapons

Sure needle gun is busted asf rn, but it doesn't discount the fact that vet has the ranged weapon talents of all time

[distant mural]

Vet has more range then scum

Recon las is much better for soecials

[loud kiln]

And more forgiveness

[past plover]

i dunno those double pistols are accurate as a laser from the hip

the lasgun on the other hand feels more liek you fire an lmg xD

[distant mural]

True but in return they cant blast like an infamtry auto or dual autos.

[loud kiln]

Scum daul guns are accurate while sprinting

[distant mural]

Only 14 round mag

[past plover]

yeh but lightnign fast reload + you cna click ratehr fast on them xD

[distant mural]

Without mods you cant reach that rof.

The dps you can dish out is just much higher especially when a big horde shows up.

[past plover]

fair

[loud kiln]

Using mods to acheive inhuman feats is a form of cheating mind you

[distant mural]

Exactly

[loud kiln]

Visual mods is one thing, but gameplay changing mods is pretty low for a PvE game

[past plover]

agreed

[loud kiln]

Or even abusing bugs related to mods

[loud kiln]

I dont get glue duelling sword still isn't nerfed

Thing still rips

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1463536395397238901/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2026.01.21_-_08.10.44.11.mp4?ex=69722ffb&is=6970de7b&hm=f26ed917d5fcc7970258736c67556ce8ed609dab2c760cdd1084c968d0850b99&

3 shot a havoc 40 crusher

if both are a crit it'll 2 shot them

snap of the fingers crusher is dead

any distance

no waiting for DoT they just outright die

[loud kiln]

I can do that in 1 shot

I call it big boom

[calm shard]

you can do that only a few times

helbore has infinite ammo

just shoot them all game

even if you don't kill them you chunk them over half their health on a headshot xd

[loud kiln]

False, i run a grenade build, i have bottomless booms

Well, as much as grenades nodes offer anyway

Everything else is either support or making sure things die by endless pew pew

[full kayak]

The big draw of hellbore imo is that even without executioners stance it can one shot nearly every enemy in the game if you hit the head, and only a couple less if you hit the body.

It also has some cleave, which iirc can be good enough to punch through two ragers at a time. Krak grenades are great but they're on a cooldown, but the hellbore waits for no one.

[past plover]

thats a helbore, right?

also i foudn that the power sword made all the diff, buidl is usable in heresy and damnation now

[twin kettle]

What blessings for laspistol?

[tame lodge]

Dumdum + Infernus/Ghost

[loud kiln]

Ill give you that, hellbore is really rewarding, but not rewarding as my dopamine receptors firing off when my screen goes boom and 3 crushers are dead

[tough nova]

Infernus desperado crit flak

[craggy relic]

Question, what’s the best setup for a volley fire build fir boltor?

Or just in general

[mystic pilot]

Infernus for burn stacks, ghost for hiding from shooters

Choices for the second blessing

[hexed arch]

What's better for weakpoint damage on a bolt pistol, surgical or deadly accurate?

[mystic pilot]

it depend on what you're using bolt pistol for

on a bomber build it need different blessings from what you're looking for, as an example

[hexed arch]

specialists

and slayer build

[mystic pilot]

This is a build geared towards melee/frontline/roamer that uses Weapon Specialist's guaranteed ranged crit attack to enable Double-Barrelled Shotgun to do some serious work vs mixed hordes

[hexed arch]

yeah but i don't like the shotgun

[mystic pilot]

I know, just looking at why it use shotgun

and see what blessings you should use for your bolt pistol

[hexed arch]

i use lethal proximity

for close range

[tall torrent]

neither is needed

[hexed arch]

also to boost my krak radius

[tall torrent]

this part also isn't very good

[hexed arch]

why's that mr. guide

[tall torrent]

krak is all abt center dmg

lethal prox doesn't increase that much

[hexed arch]

your guide says lethal proximity is the best perk for bolt pistol

it increases like 20%

[tall torrent]

yea, for frag

[hexed arch]

no

[tall torrent]

that's basically the only reason to run the gun

[hexed arch]

it says on the bolt pistol page

[tall torrent]

yea ik

[hexed arch]

tier 0 is only proximity

[tall torrent]

the increase to explosion radius doesn't make a big difference for krak

it does matter a lot for frag

[hexed arch]

interesting

well so if i wanna focus on specialists and bosses what should i run

[tall torrent]

melee bosses

[hexed arch]

surgical is definitely good because you crit everything

[mystic pilot]

yeah shredder is is strong against mixed horde

[tall torrent]

then puncture for breakpoint

[mystic pilot]

puncture I second

[hexed arch]

i wanna be efficient against gunners snipers bombers all those

[tall torrent]

yea, puncture

[hexed arch]

with my bolt pistol

the bleed one?

[tall torrent]

yea

[mystic pilot]

yep

it doesn't care about armor

[hexed arch]

okay so build and what do i use for the crit

bleed

deadly accurate or surgical

[tall torrent]

didn't I put a build with it in the guide

[tall torrent]

neither

[hexed arch]

without those i don't one tap heads

[mystic pilot]

yea, instead of shotgun he want bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

what

[hexed arch]

yeah

i play havoc 27

[tall torrent]

oh

[hexed arch]

shoot gunner in the head doesn't kill him

[tall torrent]

boltpistol is not getting 1 taps in havoc

[mystic pilot]

yep

[hexed arch]

so that's why i want crit

[tall torrent]

and it's not rly worth building deadly accurate + surgical to make it do 1 taps

[hexed arch]

surgical you don't build

it gives you double weakpoint damage

constantly

[mystic pilot]

so for Passmaker, how do you make the bolt pistol work in place of the double barrel shotgun for the Slayer Build, GuideWIP?

[tall torrent]

deadly accurate? that's not how it works

[silver patrol]

it's really not that much for bolt pistol tho

[hexed arch]

well i'll tell you

[silver patrol]

i don't think bolt pistol has good finesse at all

[tall torrent]

boltpistol basically exists to maximize frag spam

that's the only reason to take it

[mystic pilot]

there you have it, Passmaker

[tall torrent]

it's an overwhelmingly mid ~ below mid gun

[hexed arch]

i see so many veterans using it

[mystic pilot]

Wouldn't Bomber Build be better for frag spam?

[hexed arch]

not even veterans other classes too

[mystic pilot]

LARP

[hexed arch]

what does larp stand for

i keep hearing that term

[mystic pilot]

They're roleplaying, because Bolt pistol is cool and characters use them

[tall torrent]

most guns don't get 1 taps in havoc just fyi

enemies have too much hp

[silver patrol]

oof bolt pistol has about the same finesse as recon lasgun

[hexed arch]

with deadly accurate i think it does one tap

[tall torrent]

yea it's just not worth building for

[mystic pilot]

"Live Action Role Playin"

[tall torrent]

u don't get enough crit chance to make use of it without surgical

and the gun is automatically down a blessing because lethal prox

[mystic pilot]

for example I LARP as a Kriegsman, but I dont do the shovel meme since that's so one dimensional and demean the Death Korps

[hexed arch]

well then if i run slayer and i use a shovel for hordes what ranged should i use for specialists

[silver patrol]

helbore

[hexed arch]

no

[mystic pilot]

I wear DKoK costumes on my veteran

[tall torrent]

vig auto 3 works

[hexed arch]

same

[tall torrent]

plasma works

[silver patrol]

revolver

[tall torrent]

revolver works (needs always prepared)

and I should remind u that most guns don't get 1 taps in havoc

veteran can do it on a few weapons with very significant investment

[mystic pilot]

the reason Helbore is suggested is they do high damage on fully charged shots

[silver patrol]

it can often two shots crushers

[tall torrent]

like, if u rly wanted 1 taps

you wouldn't play VoC in the first place

[hexed arch]

voc is what slayer uses

[mystic pilot]

here

[hexed arch]

also i like it

[tall torrent]

it's just an example build

[mystic pilot]

you take VoC if you certain your team will make mistakes

[silver patrol]

the ability doesn't change the rest of the build

[tall torrent]

the template is what u should use for making ur own

[hexed arch]

so if my team is worth a damn voc is useless?

[tall torrent]

no

[silver patrol]

absolutely not

[mystic pilot]

No

[hexed arch]

well then why stop using it

[tall torrent]

u said u wanted 1 taps

[mystic pilot]

Execution helps with 1 taps

[hexed arch]

you can 1 tap with voc

[tall torrent]

yea, not reliably

crit dependent

[hexed arch]

hmmm

[silver patrol]

and most likely not with boltpistol

[hexed arch]

so maybe i'll run slayer with exe and hellbore?

[mystic pilot]

and you can see how strong Helbore is in that video I replied

[hexed arch]

so i have a ranged and good melle option?

melee

hellbore for ranged shovel for ad clear

hordes

[tall torrent]

uh

[silver patrol]

shovel or powersword works

[tall torrent]

look at all the builds first

[distant plaza]

you can run anything you like with enough sweat

[hexed arch]

i did

[tall torrent]

they're from the same template

[hexed arch]

btw you were right about larping

[tall torrent]

the template is what's relevant most here

[hexed arch]

i absolutely larp as my krieger with a shovel

[mystic pilot]

and try all the weapons so you decide what's right for you. Best we can do for you is advise you on how to make them work better for you

[hexed arch]

i tried hellbore

although i haven't tried it in havoc yet

[silver patrol]

i suggest getting the autocharge mod for it

[hexed arch]

auto mod yeah i have it

[mystic pilot]

for example I LARP as a Kriegsman, but I dont do the shovel meme since that's so one dimensional and demean the Death Korps I use combat blade, chainsword, tactical axe and such.

[hexed arch]

and keep swinging too

[silver patrol]

i had no idea shovel and helbore was kriegs larp

[hexed arch]

i'm a krieger who loves shovels and i'm not ashamed

[tall torrent]

decide what u prioritize and then build accordingly

[hexed arch]

actually now thinking about it

weapon specialist would work great with hellbore/shovel wouldn't it?

[tall torrent]

no

[mystic pilot]

helbore is the lucius pattern lasgun which is mostly fielded by Death Korps of Krieg

[tall torrent]

helbore is basically just MF/FT

[silver patrol]

damn

i have to stop using the helbore then

[mystic pilot]

it also work great as a marksman lasgun

[hexed arch]

i don't want a sniper build

i like slayer

[mystic pilot]

only if you're actually wearing a DKoK costume

[hexed arch]

i wanna kill hordes with my shovel, then switch to something to one tap specialists

[mystic pilot]

otherwise its not really LARPing one

[mystic pilot]

helbore can still do high damage, but there are other weapons and Guide WIP has suggested one

[hexed arch]

i want a ranged weapon

[silver patrol]

what is this slayer build

[mystic pilot]

its in the pinned guide

[tall torrent]

it's literally just knife/shovel + DB

to inf cleave & bleed

super basic

[hexed arch]

okay, to put it as simply as i can, i want the slayer build but with a weapon i can snipe specialists with

[silver patrol]

maybe i'm blind but i cannot find it

[hexed arch]

but you're saying slayer with hellbore is shit

[mystic pilot]

you can kinda..... snipe with a plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

revolver / plasma / vig auto 3

[hexed arch]

yeah but i'd much rather take the hellbore

[silver patrol]

oh the second guide

[mystic pilot]

who said that?

[hexed arch]

isn't vig the one without ads?

[tall torrent]

no

it's the 3r burst variant of vig autogun

[silver patrol]

that's braced

[hexed arch]

interesting

[silver patrol]

oh it's just the usual

[hexed arch]

what mark for the vig

[tall torrent]

I just told u above

[silver patrol]

it's the mk3

[hexed arch]

i dunno which one is the 3 burst i barely ever used this gun

why wouldn't hellbore be good with slayer though

if i keep it for sniping specialists when i need to

[silver patrol]

slow draw and shooting speed doesn't really fit that playstyle too much

[hexed arch]

i have the perk that gives +50

switch speed

[tall torrent]

takes too much time for reactionary shooting

[silver patrol]

even with that it still requires charging

[tall torrent]

and if u take the high dmg variant that gets 1 taps it's extremely slow

[silver patrol]

revolver and plasma do it much better

[tall torrent]

helbore is almost exclusively a backline sniping gun

[hexed arch]

i don't get it so what's wrong with the bolt pistol, it's a fast draw and one tap capabilities

[silver patrol]

vigilant autoguns suffer from the same problem too irc

[tall torrent]

no

[silver patrol]

tho of course you don't charge them

[tall torrent]

it's pretty fast

and gets 1 burst with crit

[mystic pilot]

"one tap"

[tall torrent]

and has the better version of surgical

[silver patrol]

it doesn't really have one tap capabilities

[mystic pilot]

Bolt pistol was never about one tapping

[hexed arch]

with deadly accurate it does

[tall torrent]

yea, not reliably

[silver patrol]

then run it

[tall torrent]

are u gonna crit every headshot

[silver patrol]

if you insist

[hexed arch]

i mean, from what you're telling me my options are wither the vag gun or double barrel

[silver patrol]

Deadly accurate is a meme of a blessing tbh

[tall torrent]

no

???????????

[silver patrol]

you ignored like

4 other options

[tall torrent]

I just gave u 3 examples

[hexed arch]

and plasma sorry

[silver patrol]

and revolver

[hexed arch]

revolver might be it

[mystic pilot]

he gave you three suggestions

[hexed arch]

i was taking about you

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1444503270138581123/692ADA1.MP4?ex=692d9ac1&is=692c4941&hm=de7008e0db8d6f922144217d96f6c39bad0f080c2ccc9261f070101f6f9b98dc&

[hexed arch]

what about the revolver's slow ass reload though

isn't that a bit of a problem

[tall torrent]

look at what always prepared does

and look at the clip I posted

[silver patrol]

you ideally don't manually reload much

[hexed arch]

is your fov like 200

[tall torrent]

no

[hexed arch]

epic gamer moment

would a krieger use a revolver

[silver patrol]

it's a revolver

i am sure captains and other officers would

[hexed arch]

mmm yess

i am a krieg commissar

i got the hat from the shop now i never take it off

[silver patrol]

ehrm, commissars are technically of the inquisition yes?

[mystic pilot]

yeah I wouldn't put it past them to use something that "old"

[hexed arch]

deathkorps have comissars

they look way more badass in lore than darktide too

[silver patrol]

yeah but they are not technically part of the kriegs

[hexed arch]

why not they wear gas masks

and probably from krieg

[silver patrol]

for the above reason

[hexed arch]

whatever it's a krieg commissar

the darktide set looks like a discount officer though compared to the real thing

[silver patrol]

many such cases

[mystic pilot]

yes and the commissars are mainly to make sure the soldiers aren't too eager to go in the danger's way

[hexed arch]

krieg commissar in lore vs darktide

[mystic pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1q92jc5/now_you_can_make_your_krieg_cosplay_in_the_game/

yeah we do what we can with what the fat fish offer us in the shop

[silver patrol]

isn't that just the krieg trooper clothes

[hexed arch]

but with the commissar hat

[mystic pilot]

yeah he's wearing the great trenchcoat

[hexed arch]

there isn't a krieg commissar outfit in game

[silver patrol]

uh they are selling a commissar hat + gas mask combo?