veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

Change me mind

[calm shard]

I was playing like this for laspistol+falchion personally

[vestal widget]

ooh mmf laspistol thats another one i havent played for a while

[orchid hemlock]

It reminds me of a Jian

[cerulean flume]

Thank GOD FINALLY

Delta 17 is done

[hexed arch]

btw every curio buff stacks right?

[tall torrent]

yes but some are additive and some are multiplicative
the multiplicative ones are written as x%

[calm shard]

but a more "normal" build for helbore imo

if you aren't a freak like I am and actually care about middle/right tree

[hollow ibex]

1 point away from skirmisher 😭

[calm shard]

marksman means you don't have to crit to 2 shot auric crushers

and makes sure you can 2 shot havoc ones on crit with exe

[tall torrent]

I was actually considering a full range spec like this

[calm shard]

I really don't recommend it personally

reciprocity is too good to pass up

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't either

[calm shard]

and you really feel the missing 15% melee damage when you do have to melee

[tall torrent]

if only falchion was good

[calm shard]

honestly having played with it a bit

it's probably best in slot sidearm for MMF Laspistol builds

or regular lasgun builds

you don't have the investment to make regular power sword less of a chore to use

[hollow ibex]

yeah falch's pretty decent as a ranged build sidearm

[calm shard]

and you can only throw so many kraks so you need a melee that kills hordes+carapace and doesn't have high investment

and its usual weakness into ragers doesn't matter just shoot them

[tall torrent]

not as good as tac axe

[calm shard]

it's a lot safer than tac axe tho

since it has cleave

[tall torrent]

idk

it's quite a bit worse dodge

and significantly worse stagger

and worse sprint bonus

[hexed arch]

is the atrox VII the only good tactical axe?

[tall torrent]

no, but it's comparatively the best of the 3

[distant plaza]

i like the mk iv for the simpler move set >.>

[orchid hemlock]

Best moveset

But they are all good

[hexed arch]

does the II have any benefits to it?

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[hollow ibex]

no

[hexed arch]

mmmm

welp

[orchid hemlock]

Objectively 🤓

7 is the best moveset in all situations

[hexed arch]

for my sniper build would a shovel work

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel is fine, but you will lack boss damage unless you have kraks

[hexed arch]

i've got a bunch of perks that give me pretty good ranged damage against bosses

i used to have the krak but without the perk that gives it 75% bonus damage what's the point of using it

[orchid hemlock]

I don't even remember if Helbore is good into bosses

[hexed arch]

i'd rather use shredder

if you have good aim probably

[orchid hemlock]

Kraks have become the norm due to how easy they are to spam now

[hollow ibex]

it is yeah

[hexed arch]

yeah but without the bonus damage perk why bother

with the perk i use krak without it i use shredder

[mortal horizon]

anyone have a good recon lasgun talent tree i could copy for now with the new tree? whats good for h40 for recon now, focus target keystone right?

[orchid hemlock]

Oh boi 😈

[tall torrent]

crusher/bulwark delete + boss stagger

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[azure narwhal]

not the laser poi-

i see this more than i see my family

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

i need a big fucking seal in my house

huge one that just yells and dances all day

[cerulean flume]

Damn survivalist is awesome

[tepid otter]

Me after drinking a whole bottle coke

[tepid otter]

Just beats the other 2 nodes by a long shot

[azure narwhal]

the childlike wonder of treating yourself after a long day is the best thing ever tbh

got myself a waffle, croissant and some juice today

peak

[cerulean flume]

Which ability to get? Voice of command?

Executioner’s stance?

[quick shell]

u can use either

[azure narwhal]

yeah, either work. Notably, voice of command provides AoE stagger and golden toughness (does not allow chip damage as long as it is up), exec stance provides stun immunity, wallhacks and passive toughness gen

[cerulean flume]

I like the toughness regen

[azure narwhal]

VoC leans towards team play and utility

[cerulean flume]

👀

[quick shell]

exec also offers ranged damage

[tepid otter]

depends on the weap I use mainly

[azure narwhal]

exec stance helps vet fall more easily into his frame

[cerulean flume]

Cuz I wanna pick off elites

[quick shell]

it's a more active playstyle imo

[cerulean flume]

Specials too

[azure narwhal]

yeah exec stance then

[tall torrent]

both abilities work with all weapons

[azure narwhal]

take the bigger they are subnode and ur good to go

[tall torrent]

stance makes u veteran pro max plus

VoC is a good fight reset tool that also gives team gold toughness

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/IhPKJmu taking longer clips of helbore gaming

https://fximgur.com/a/Kx8MGGw

[tall torrent]

holy shit are u playing on 60fov here

[calm shard]

yeah I play on default fov

cry about it

[tall torrent]

insane

this reminds me

I shud add a section that teaches people how to tweak their FOV in game

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1386046428350255206/thebiter.gif

[quick shell]

holyu shit that fov is so awful

how do u stand it

[calm shard]

why are you looking at my fov it's a helbore clip >:(

[forest scaffold]

walking left at ~30 seconds to hit the sniper instead of just moving your mouse is INSANE

brother turn down your sense if that's normal good lord

[calm shard]

he still died didn't he

[surreal sentinel]

I've never played Zealot a day in my life, how does a thunder hammer+flamer build sound?

[tall torrent]

Do u enjoy hitting crusher on the head for 5417 damage

[surreal sentinel]

It sounds fun.

Also I wish there were more attributes you could change in character creation, like width or fat/muscle ratio.

[hollow ibex]

(crushers have 6500 hp 💀 )

[azure narwhal]

Play marty, godbless

https://tenor.com/view/blayne-metalcomedy-varg-gloosh-blayneseldenring-gif-25165795

[hexed arch]

quick question, this isn't related to veteran but whenever the hive scum does the bubbly pool thing my fps goes to shit, any mod or sth to remove the effect?

[calm shard]

VFX swapper on mod nexus

can't post mod nexus links or discord will ban you from what I've heard so y'know

don't

[hexed arch]

dude i know that mod

i thought it was only for the psyker bubble

thanks a bunch

[lusty fog]

is there a mod that makes ur flashlight good or visiblity better

without the healthbar stuff

i feel like i'm taking crazy pill when my teammate has way brighter flashlight than me

what am i using, a candle ? 😂

[calm shard]

weapon customization from the modding discord

lets you choose the other weapons flashlights

(and yes flashlights are different per weapon)

[lusty fog]

damn

that's crazy

which gun has the best flashlight ?

[tame lodge]

Iags and iLas iirc

[calm shard]

yeah

ilas have the big flashlight

[lusty fog]

I used las gun I think

Their flashlight felt the same for me

I wonder if it's because I play the game on low

[little lion]

what’s the best recon las gun variant?

[hollow ibex]

^

[trim badger]

Emperor's Light, alternatively, Aura

Those 2 create a light around you

[little lion]

You run dum dum infernus I assume?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the default setup

[umbral scaffold]

Petition to switch dumdum's icon 🗿

[narrow frost]

<@&735928989146939404> bot account

[junior grail]

Choose one; any Power Falchion or Power Sword Mk 3?

[hollow ibex]

depends on the build but prob psword

but why mk3

[orchid hemlock]

Neither

Sometimes I just don't move the piece

Checkers and Chess

[junior grail]

daemonic voice CURSES!

[junior grail]

A lil bored of mk6 ngl

[slender elm]

I'm gonna clonk some people with my spade

[lusty fog]

the hipfire recoil for Boltgun isn't that bad

tbh i felt like the burst autogun had the worst recoil so far

god forbid controller has reduced recoil in a PVE game

[unreal nova]

It doesn't. Is why I just shoot center mass usually.

If people get mad, they can do special//elite duty instead of pushing it on me.

[dreamy sphinx]

hive scum looks a lil different

[shell bane]

Is 20% health curio worth maxing or should I just wait till I get a 21%?

How harsh is the RNG on getting 21%s

[slender elm]

The wait is long af

[shell bane]

Alr guess I'll max it then

[slender elm]

I'd just prioritise weapon/class variety tho

[unreal nova]

Just use a 20 till a 21% shows up.

[formal ice]

Doesn't matter

1% isn't worth it

Only if it's 2%

Because it's double

[shell bane]

My monkey brain needs the loadout to be fully orange so that's why I'm asking

Wouldn't wanna waste resources on something I'm gonna switch out real soon

Same goes for 17% toughness I assume?

I got a 16% one

[unreal nova]

It's like 2-3 hp so not too big of a deal. Could be a reason you are still up or on the floor, but rare.

Yeah. Only one you need to be sure is stam. +1 is big. But they come more often and if 410+, is real.

Wounds is lower power better cos cheaper to change.

But only for zealot martyrdom anyway.

[fresh nimbus]

I haven't heard a backstab sound warning in weeks...it hurts T.T

And my "kill dregs with melee" contract seems like it's only tracking like...2 kills at a time?

[dry cloak]

Dregs are the yellow faction

So if most of the enemies weat black armour its nit gonna count up much

[fresh nimbus]

Yeah I counted the ones I killed in the mission, definitely more than two unfortunately.

[dry cloak]

Also a thing

Kills in coherency count

So if your friendly ogryn kills s dreg it will count if you are close

[tropic halo]

most immersive guardsman footage

[slender elm]

My stupid chaxe ilas build

Idk how to improve this shit

Except running a less stupid weapon i suppose

[jaunty herald]

Replace Field Improv for the talent that gives bleed on melee attacks to the right side of it

[slender elm]

But moar grenades

[jaunty herald]

The regen every 60 secs is good enough

[slender elm]

For the team tho

[unreal nova]

The 'nades from Field Improv is more for team. They are just telling you to play more selfish in pubs.

[slender elm]

Eh fair

[unreal nova]

Is more important for havoc tbh.

[slender elm]

Not really playing havoc

[unreal nova]

Where you need to minmax everything due to limited stuff.

[slender elm]

I'm just here be like chainaxe slow and cleaves poorly

So bleed application limited

[unreal nova]

Push atk even?

[slender elm]

Yeah im using mk 11 or something

[unreal nova]

Cos one mark has a horde clear push atk like Rashad.

[slender elm]

Ye not that one

[unreal nova]

The other is heavy for hordes, lights for armour.

I think.

[slender elm]

No, other way round

[vestal widget]

iv is latched lights horde clear hevies

xii is horde clear lights and latched heavies

[slender elm]

That's the one ye

Rashad moveset but no hordeclear

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[vestal widget]

the lights on the xii have huge stagger so horde trash flops around a lot

i think the chainaxes have cleave dmg cap, unless they removed it when they did the evi's (I haven't played chainaxes recently)

[slender elm]

Damage only extends to 4th enemy, so it says

Maybe I should just play rashad instead 🤔

[unreal nova]

Maybe. Till FS just removes cleave cap. Stupid mechanic basically.

[slender elm]

Sad, oh well

Do I want bleed talent on rashad

[unreal nova]

Up to you. Rashad can easily clear without it imo.

Just need stamina lul.

[slender elm]

probably just get more nades for more bleed

[fresh nimbus]

Man, I understand this game is about moving along the map, but people need to stop with this "you gotta be sprinting forward at all times" crap. Like sure move when you can, but not when there's only one dude on the team who seems to be able to handle crushers and you leave them with no ammo e.e

And yeah, shredder life forever

[slender elm]

let your team die lol

[unreal nova]

You need to go faster or you starve in pubs.

[fresh nimbus]

The funny thing is watching them lock in all of a sudden once i'm downed by like the 8 crushers the dude pulled

[slender elm]

my ammo usage on ilas is negative

i actually generate more ammo over the course of the mission

[unreal nova]

Is why I took a liking to just burny stick or desperado/pickpocket pewpew.

For pubs.

[slender elm]

burny stick? psyker?

[fresh nimbus]

Las ammo perk is love, wish I was using a lasgun sometimes

[unreal nova]

Yeah, turn brain off, burn things.

[fresh nimbus]

Can confirm, dnd burning hands is effective

[unreal nova]

Pull out sword for uncanny if too many armoured.

[unreal nova]

Bonus if team manages to corral them into a nice corridor.

[fresh nimbus]

I just toss a shredder into the enemies who are staggered in teh flames

It's satisfying

[unreal nova]

They just gotta die is the mindset.

[fresh nimbus]

Ammo permitting

[unreal nova]

What ammo? Cooldown bar lul.

[fresh nimbus]

I meant for me killing the stuff my friendly neighborhood psyker has rooted in place.

[slender elm]

ew smyker

also just rip and tear

[tame lodge]

Pog smyker

[unreal nova]

Just swing melee.

[fresh nimbus]

I'll throw the chainarang next time

[unreal nova]

Also, I do run headpop burny so, no perma stagger.

The CC is death by burns.

[steep flower]

Karien…
Not you too…
Not you too thinking that best CC is to kill the enemy…
Not you too…
Not you too!!!

😭 😭 😭

[unreal nova]

Wat? If things are dead, they can't hurt me, right?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Also, you know I don't play smyker.

[steep flower]

What about trauma?

[unreal nova]

Traumatises me. Last time I had to, I just went full melee.

Void Strike just sucks at 300 ping, even on lower diffs.

[steep flower]

Thats like the worst thing you could ever do while using trauma - should be in reverse; you only use trauma even in melee

[steep flower]

Yeah expected

[unreal nova]

More, I tried using it, hated it, gave up. Played suspect bubble knight.

For that run.

EK needs slight buffs to alt fire, still okay since I just play heresy. Purga is... sus on 300 ping. It may or may not stagger. Same like flamer tbh.

You just compensate by spamming more.

[unreal nova]

Best way to explain it? It's now a SLOW DELAYED no damage lower cleave plasma.

Plasma already feels bad taking around 0.6 secs to feedback after the charge.

That's longer charge, then an 0.3~ sec before projectile actually launches out.

Then good luck with it actually hitting, or fake hitting.

[hexed arch]

is a bolter pistol good for a sniper build?

[silver patrol]

no

bolter pistol is kinda stinky as an actual ranged weapon

the Helbore is what you are searching for

[tough nova]

With exe stance you can one tap specialists/gunners from far but there are weapons better suited for snooping.

[foggy linden]

Revolver sniper is peak

[steep flower]

Its passable if you know how to use it

[lusty fog]

so i got two bolt gun, 1 with 66% stability ( the rest are 80% ) , 1 with 60% reload speed ( the rest is also 80% ) which is better

[steep flower]

Neither
Dump mobility

[lusty fog]

well i don't have any like it rn

[silver patrol]

but the one with 66% stability is the better of the two

[steep flower]

Buy more; GL

[lusty fog]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[lusty fog]

also is there a vid on build that combine powersword and boltgun

i havent seen any so far

[steep flower]

Imagine sprinting with boltgun
Colla makes sense to have 80 on both marks cause mob really does not give anything substantial

[tall torrent]

It’s actually just collateral because it doesn’t change stagger breakpoints meaningfully

[steep flower]

Bulwarks

[tall torrent]

Yes, not really relevant

U go from taking 6? shots to open shield to 5

Complete waste of ammo

[steep flower]

And mob better on a weapon that is not good for sprinting with around

[tall torrent]

And u can hit head easier

[steep flower]

Sometimes unavoidable

[tall torrent]

Still faster than weapons at 0.09m/s

[steep flower]

Still better than mob overall

[tall torrent]

Nah it just isn’t

It’s fully waste

[steep flower]

And you dump your stamina which is pepega move

[tall torrent]

What

Mobility increases your aim moving speed too Yk

[steep flower]

Better to sprint slower & longer than slightly faster and way shorter

[steep flower]

That is too marginal too

[tall torrent]

Vs a meaningless stagger breakpoint that waste ammo

It’s just not relevant

[steep flower]

Same for mob

[tall torrent]

There’s not a single weapon with collateral that doesn’t dump collateral

[slender elm]

sigh, tried some power axe in sm2

it is absolutely infuriating that doing proper parries is impossible due to latency

fuck it, im just gonna chop dudes

[fresh nimbus]

not going to lie, I dumped mobility on my boltgun

Though I'm pretty sure either way you go doesn't matter, they both aren't really going to change your gameplay really

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s fine

[narrow yacht]

so is dueling sword parry supposed to work against plague ogryn stomp? because i just tried it since i was already trapped in a corner and it killed it instantly from like 20% health

on damnation so not like it has an insane amount of health but still

[tall torrent]

It can block unblockable attacks yes

[narrow yacht]

so it will work against a crusher or mauler? i'll have to keep that trick in my pocket then that would have saved me a couple times

[tame lodge]

Just time it properly

[tall torrent]

Yes but do keep in mind that they drain substantial stamina unless u perfect block with special

[slender elm]

dog ass music

once again i get a true solo player in damnation

what the hell are these people even doing in multiplayer games

go play doom or some shit

[tame lodge]

Don't you ever dare to say that again

[slender elm]

dog ass music

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

[turbid ibex]

Dog ass music

:3

[narrow yacht]

i had the video muted the first time and when you said there was music i unmuted it and immediately muted again

[tame lodge]

Oh you don't want to see me rage

https://tenor.com/view/dongle-doodle-gif-25605157

Anyways musical taste is blah blah blah blah blah

You know the drill

[steep flower]

Ye that is some normie ass dog ass music

[frigid rover]

taste in music is objective

[steep flower]

[tame lodge]

"normie" and it's nerdcore

😭

Really funny

[narrow yacht]

some songs are objectively the best songs ever released to be fair

[tame lodge]

Truest statement to ever true

[frigid rover]

the hotline miami soundtrack

[steep flower]

I just listen to BEAR IT from Crash Bandicoot 2 while playing darktide

[heavy rover]

In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins

[tame lodge]

God tier

[narrow yacht]

i'm partial to Hey Ya by outkast

absolute banger

[quick shell]

he rite tho

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Y'all sleeping on the Brazilian nerdcore scenario

(tbf it never reaches mainstream here)

Now, mainstream here is ass

Omega ass

But that's a story for another day

[narrow yacht]

nerdout used to make amazing songs for Ark, too bad that game is 500 GB now and runs like a baby deer that just saw it's first predator

[tame lodge]

The dinosaur game is 500gb?

What the hell

[narrow yacht]

464 so not quite but might as well be

[quick shell]

[narrow yacht]

i have 6 TB storage in my desktop and i can't bring myself to download the game again even though it's one of my favorite games ever

should also note that's just the size of the DLC i own it doesn't download the maps you don't own, so there's a whole other map they released recently to factor in on top of the 464 GB

[tepid otter]

is it actually that big wtf

what the hell is in there

[tame lodge]

Y'all low-key sleeping on 40 minutes of blue lock

[tepid otter]

shit anime

[tame lodge]

Yes

The manga is peak

It's Tokyo ghoul all over again

https://tenor.com/view/mus8029-dj-khaled-gif-3555378993500057042

8bit Fumbled u20 match but it's whatever

Except the last episode

But they cannot fumble neo egoist league

Frame Lock still has more Frames than One Frame Man though

[narrow yacht]

I'll give credit where it's due, the maps are huge and extremely detailed so it's probably 250 GB of assets and another 214 GB of unoptimized slop coding

[mortal horizon]

anyone got a talent tree for the 'meta' plasma gun build rn?

[distant plaza]

One is in the pinned guide

[narrow yacht]

It's my favorite shout line by far

[hollow ibex]

my favorite is CLOSE, KILL, DO IT AGAIN

VOC lines go hard

[narrow yacht]

That's my second favorite one

Cutthroat doesn't have any that aren't baller, the other 2 have a couple that are kinda meh

[turbid ibex]

specially cutthroat's

[hollow ibex]

cutthroat's the only personality i've played basically lol

[turbid ibex]

same tbh

those lines make me wish VOC had more of a team buffing aspect like scum's crate ngl

[narrow yacht]

what's the DS dump it's finally time to stop using the 62 damage slop i've been using to level it up

[turbid ibex]

cleave for the mk4 and defense for the others iirc

[unreal nova]

Def is mk5 only. Mobility for mk2.

[narrow yacht]

not cleave on the mark 2 also?

[tame lodge]

I personally wouldn't dump cleave on any of the DS

(slight hit on unarmored damage)

But also Mk2 has a different heavy

Which likes cleave targets for the unarmored damage

[unreal nova]

Just dump mobility if you don't wanna get 2 different DS.

[tame lodge]

Unarmored/Infested

[serene bough]

I still weep for the loss of the darktide meme channel

[tame lodge]

Tbh just dump cleave on all the DSs

You don't care about hordes because you bring frags with DS

[turbid ibex]

tbh just dump cleave on all weapons

[tame lodge]

And mk2 is kinda hard to justify atm

[turbid ibex]

dump every single stat

[tame lodge]

It used to be Mk4 but better but now it's just there

[turbid ibex]

get a 60/60/60/60/60 weapon

[tame lodge]

True dump run

[mystic pilot]

[clever python]

My favorite game too, but they broke all of the QOL mods I used with the Aquatica update. You know, after promising they weren't going to update the game again so they wouldn't screw with mods.

Totally done with ARK after that.

[trim badger]

The difference between 60 and 80 is so little on mk4 cleave

You might as well get the extra mobility

[tame lodge]

We don't dump damage around here

🗣️

Except flamer and needle

But still

🗣️

[trim badger]

Cleaving with mk4 💔

[tame lodge]

I ain't losing on unarmored damage

In fact I gotta recheck

Before the nerf you'd lose about 60 damage on the pokes

[trim badger]

Cleave damage doesn't affect the first target tho?

[tame lodge]

For some reason it does on dueling sword specifically

But it's only unarmored and infested

Like

Then we have evis/power sword

Anyways
You can easily make up on 60 unarmored damage on vet because vet is just that good

But personally
I wouldn't dump cleave on dueling sword

[tame lodge]

Oh it also states flak but it doesn't change flak damage for some reason

[tame lodge]

But that's just me and I'm goated like that

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-humble-drax-dave-bautista-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-14242314

Hmm

For some reason I thought that DS had cleave targets instead of cleave damage

I may just got Mandela effected

[narrow yacht]

too many numbers for ogryn mind, Krump think club fun club go bonk

[azure narwhal]

How do you feel about me actively choosing mk2 ds over 4

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

Mk2 was Mk4 but better

But now you don't have the quick heavy special heavy special

So the single target combo is annoying

[azure narwhal]

Surprising but understandable answer. Also yeah that

I personally just throw in a light

And cope with "but uh i proc uncanny a lil quicker"

Qq swap would be faster

But fuck that

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[azure narwhal]

It looks bad and i like looking good

[tame lodge]

QQ swap is annoying

[azure narwhal]

Also

Can we talk about how it actually fucking resembles a sword

I am sorry but i cannot play the toothpick

It's not even shaped like a rapier to make up for it

It's a toothpick bullshit sabre

[tame lodge]

The Blade is too short yup

[umbral scaffold]

I remember that I used to take the mk4 devil claw and keep using the special to reset the heavy chain because I didn't like block cancel

[trim badger]

But it says beyond the main target

So the 1st target wouldn't be affected by that right?

[hexed arch]

what's the best build with a bolt pistol for veteran?

[grand spoke]

whats the dump stat on the lasgun?

[knotty bison]

Couldnt tell ya never played vet

[silver patrol]

there are 4 lasguns so you should be a bit more detailed

[grand spoke]

recon lasgun, sorry

[silver patrol]

i think it's stability

or collateral, they both don't do anything

[faint beacon]

90% of the time assume it’s mobility

Very niche scenarios where it isn’t

• Guide in pins if you need pointers

Should be a steam guide

[silver patrol]

in this case it's not mobility

[mystic pilot]

its in the pinned veteran guide

[grand spoke]

ty

[void dragon]

Does anyone know what zealot keystone is best for the crusher (weapon)?

[turbid ibex]

any of them work

but personally i like martyrdom

[tall torrent]

all are ok

[void dragon]

But not one particularly better I assume, thanks mate

[tall torrent]

I put piety as a recommended build for it in guide

[still dove]

how do yall feel about helbore exec stance builds in auric mael and havoc

and is kill zone needed on it

[errant ledge]

Auric run anything, in havoc if youre really really good then run it

[still dove]

kk

[hollow ibex]

prob not

it's not a particularly good talent

[errant ledge]

Id personally run something other than kill zone up top

[hollow ibex]

there's better places you can spend that talent on

[still dove]

what do you guys recommend?

[errant ledge]

Show the rest of your tree

[hollow ibex]

maybe a nade talent, but yeah depends on the rest of your tree

[hollow ibex]

tinkerer if this is for havoc

otherwise maybe trench fighter or rending strikes

depending on your melee

[still dove]

using psword

[hollow ibex]

trench fighter then if you don't need tinkerer

[still dove]

ok bet thank you

[errant ledge]

I dont remember the trait names but id remove the 5% toughness for every kill

[still dove]

out for blood

[errant ledge]

If you have the 20% for elites you dk t need that

[tall torrent]

No

[errant ledge]

Especially running hellbore you should be constantly killing elites

[still dove]

true i have confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

See guide

[still dove]

thx

[orchid hemlock]

The problem is you are using nothing on the right

That's what I'm seeing

[still dove]

yea it struggles in melee, the build in the guide looks better

[orchid hemlock]

Right side isn't just melee either

But some of the best nodes in the entire tree are there

[blazing jetty]

was messing around with krak grenades and this happened

[hollow ibex]

nurgle guided that one

[hazy comet]

you guys taking smoke on havoc 40?

works wonders

[calm shard]

better than psyker bubble for stopping ranged enemies

since it will actually last its full duration

[tame lodge]

80% Cleave 794 damage

60% Cleave 749 damage

We ain't losing 45 damage in this household

🗣️

Anyways
Off to catch some zs

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[wraith locust]

should i accept bro?

he's kinda the goat

[little lion]

alright boys

I remember a while ago I believe the plasma gun meta was just spam zero charge shots?

[unreal nova]

Still is.

Only m1/right trigger.

[little lion]

Okay bet

with blaze away and rising heat?

Also is 62% thermal resis fine or is the dump stat still really specific

[orchid hemlock]

*thoys

[unreal nova]

Gets hot and rising heat. Also need 68 - 69 thermal 72 - 71 charge rate.

68 is gambling. 69 is guaranteed.

If you can't afford, just thermal dump.

Or roll a 70/70.

[lusty fog]

btw when did veteran get updated skill tree ? so i can avoid outdated guides

[orchid hemlock]

There is only one guide and it is always updated

[lusty fog]

where is it ?

[orchid hemlock]

Pins

[lusty fog]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

this one ?

[tall torrent]

yez

[lusty fog]

hmmm

i left slightly more confused

can i have the simplified build guide

[tough nova]

Bruh.

[little lion]

what do you need simplified?

it explains everything it has I believe

[lusty fog]

i mean i just need something that tell me what skill to pick if i want to play with certain weapon

[orchid hemlock]

It does

[lusty fog]

it's just " Dodge
Minimum Direction Input Requirement
minimum_dodge_input 0.25m Minimum travel distance needed before a dodge can be performed
Dodge Distance
base_distance 2.5m How far the dodge can move the character
Dodge Cooldown
dodge_cooldown 0.2s Time until next dodge can be performed
Dodge Cooldown after Jump
dodge_jump_override_timer 0.5s Time until next dodge can be performed if interrupted by a jump
Dodge Count Reset Time
consecutive_dodges_reset 0.85s Time to reset the effective dodge count
Dodge Linger Time
dodge_linger_time 0.25s Grace window after finishing a dodge in which the character is still considered as is_dodging against a melee or ranged attack
Dodge Stop Threshold
stop_threshold 25% Maximum dodge time after dodging into an obstacle
Toughness Damage Taken Modifier (Dodging)
state_damage_modifiers.dodging 0.5 Modifies toughness damage taken while dodging; below 1 means taking less damage, above 1 means taking more damage BUT due to the complexity of the calculation, neither does 0 translate into taking no damage at all nor does 2 translate into taking double damage. For an in-depth explanation, refer to this write-up (still up to date despite some values having changed). " so far

[tall torrent]

scroll down

[little lion]

at the bottom of that text you sent it’ll have it

[lusty fog]

oh

[tough nova]

Its like you have the handout and you're still not happy. Lazy af.

[unreal nova]

It's the current generation. They have been brainrotted by shorts, tiktok and the likes. Gotta be very easily understood or you get questions.

[orchid hemlock]

American Education system 😈

[junior grail]

What system?

[orchid hemlock]

TRUUUUUU

[slender elm]

Wait... rashad heavies can stagger crushers

But nobody talks about that

[hollow ibex]

it's one of the reasons rashad is good

[slender elm]

Is rashad just unpopular then

[tall torrent]

it's mentioned in the guide

[hollow ibex]

idk people find it boring ig

and power sword is stronger

rashad's really strong tho

[slender elm]

Yes I'm going through that and dunno if I should special ragers or pa

[hollow ibex]

PA

special doesn't do shit

[slender elm]

But it does

🤔

Does pa stagger hit more than 1 target then

[quasi jasper]

In my last game, an Arby was using the tactical axe, and he was able to handle like, everyhting. And it was so fast. When I tried that weapon as a veteran itt didn't seem that fast. Am I missing somethting, or is that one of the advantages of Arbites?

[hollow ibex]

it does

no reason to use the special

[junior grail]

Did they have a dog?

[quasi jasper]

no, actually

[junior grail]

Yea Dogless build gives Arby a bunch of buffs, including attack speed

[tropic halo]

Arbites gets more buffs than veteran mostly when loner

[quasi jasper]

Honesttly, that sounds more fun than the hive scum. at least imo

[lusty fog]

What's the difference between powersword mark III vs mk vi

Also Locke mk III vs mk iib

And bolt pistol mk IV vs mk VI

[distant mural]

One is just better

[lusty fog]

which one ?

[distant mural]

The one on the bottom of the 2

I dont remember mark

[lusty fog]

oh

whats the difference between them anyway

[narrow frost]

Attack pattern

[azure narwhal]

Mk6 power sword has a vastly superior push attack which has pushed it to be vet's best melee
Also lights are piss easy horde/mixed horde clear

You can run mk3 but in this case it's a big falloff
Not cause its bad per say, but mk6 ps is that good

[lusty fog]

mk6 is the initial one right ?

[azure narwhal]

The one which looks like this

[lusty fog]

oke

oh i've been using MK3 the whole time

cuz mk6 as horizontal light attacks

interesting

[mortal horizon]

hows this for krak grenade spam + bolt pistol build for havoc rotten armor?

pretty standard? am i doing anything weird/bad

[slender elm]

Everything seems fine

[wraith parcel]

What's the best path for a mid-range/aggressive melee Veteran build?

[mortal horizon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e155ba-40d2-4c2b-af16-63ff3182699c/havoc-40-krak-grenade-anti-rotten-armor-build

are my curios ok? do i need more hp?

[tall torrent]

I personally think it’s worth building health on every class, especially the lower hp classes

I don’t run stamina regen curio perk anymore

[mortal horizon]

I like it in vet personally I struggle with their stamina management coming from zealot arby etc

But ya that makes sense

I could see dropping one

[tall torrent]

I build +31% health for all 3 low hp classes

[mortal horizon]

I’ve also always been a toughness stacker enjoyer but fatmangus zealot has turned me onto hp’s value more and I’ve swapped to a 200HP psyker build and also think I like it.

[tall torrent]

DT just isn’t as much of a stamina management game like VT2

+2~3 stam is usually enough for every class besides ogryn (which u don’t need any)

If block efficiency curio perks were actually good I’d prob take that over +stam

[junior grail]

I miss attack speed trinkets

[tall torrent]

I wish block cost curio perks were good in this game

If they were x0.8 instead of x0.88 they’d actually be top tier for most builds compared to +stam curios

[neat falcon]

why does the Recon Las in the store say owned? I don't seem to have one identical to what he's offering
a 380 lasgun with most of the stats I want. I have one with slightly different stat numbers at 470

it's greyed out and I cannot click Acquire
*wait, nevermind, way back in my inventory i do somehow have an identical one. that's... shocking.

[lusty fog]

huh

optimal stat for boltguns is 60% collateral ?

i thought it was 60% mobility

" Spearhead Boltgun
General Info
All associated values are presented according to the Optimal Stats below.
No variant entirely outclasses the other at the moment:
Locke · Mk IIb has slightly more ammo & can rapid fire DPS for bursting down Bosses.
Locke · Mk III has better explosive AoE and is much more controllable in hipfire.
Spearhead Boltgun deals high damage with explosive AoE stagger,
But takes significant time to swap & reload and is hungry for ammo.
bolter_p1_m1
Locke
Mk IIb
bolter_p1_m2
Locke
Mk III
Optimal 80% all else
60% Collateral 80% all else
60% Collateral "

( i can't post photo )

[unreal nova]

31%? Tell me where you got those cracked out OP curios.

[primal zealot]

path is a dlc class denier confirmed

[unreal nova]

You only dump mobility if going for a single blessing, the one where you stagger everything to ramp damage from memory. Otherwise you dump collateral to prevent them from getting knocked down too fast and you missing.

[lusty fog]

man

i got it all wrong

[lusty fog]

this guy gave me bad advice

[unreal nova]

Naw, you can dump either.

You honestly won't see a significant difference unless you did a dumb and dumped damage.

[lusty fog]

aighty

[unreal nova]

At that point, all I can do is stare.

But mobility is usually a safe dump on any weapon, same for defence.

[normal sparrow]

21 +5+5?

[unreal nova]

He said a 31%. A.

[normal sparrow]

Read again, +31% health, curio numbers not spefified

Specified

[lusty fog]

did you mean special + push combo ?

not sure if this is doable on mk3, i just tried that on mk6

idk if it can actually block while i was activating

[shell bane]

Getting there 🗣️ 🗣️

Just the ability and the mission penances left

[slender elm]

Time to axe some fuckers

[steep flower]

It is; bois prefer minor movement spd over 1 less shot on bulwarks to break their shield & stagger (despite the fact that sometimes that will happen that you will shoot the shield no matter what)

[steep flower]

Nah bby; they don’t fall over ever (not in my experience)

[steep flower]

For sure i did; after all 3,5k+ hours & extensive use of a boltgun is very unreliable

[lusty fog]

Hm so boltgun n powersword r just naturally slow

[steep flower]

Yeah; sprinting on boltgun is pepega move + despite it increasing movement spd on ADS realistically you don’t walk while doing so - you dodge cause most likely you will be attacked either by range or melee + it covers more distance than just walking

[unreal nova]

Not even the human sized ones?

[steep flower]

Thats why mobility is a dump stat on it

[steep flower]

Not in my experience

They get medium stagger

[unreal nova]

I really don't know, I play 300 ping where you gamble on everything.

[steep flower]

Maybe maulers/scab ragers cause they can survive more but thats just pepega thinking - the moment you shoot them you most likely hipfire at them and not trying to hit the head - you shoot the body

[lusty fog]

Do you live in Asia ?

[stable socket]

according to the guide, powersword apparently has pretty good sprint speed (+0.27) but the dodges aren't super good, so if you run boltgun + powersword just swap to melee when moving

[lusty fog]

I see

[unreal nova]

SEA, I play at hours where nobody plays.

It's surprising if even one person joins.

[stable socket]

(also if you're in a scenario where you need to dodge, 99% of the time you want to have your melee out anyway)

[lusty fog]

Hong Kong server ?

[unreal nova]

APAC Central

[lusty fog]

I see

NGL this may be not the game for me atm

I just did malice with rando and struggled quite a bit

The amount of control required is a bit much for me on controller

[stable socket]

it takes a bit of work/learning/experience to get the fundamentals down, at which point the game (generally speaking) becomes more fun

[steep flower]

Not surprised; game does demand alot in endgame
Average Joe struggles usually

[unreal nova]

It's really a game that either forces you to get good and solo or have friends to enjoy.

[runic estuary]

Hands up stinkys

[unreal nova]

If you play on dead servers.

[runic estuary]

I have a question

[stable socket]

but if you're not having fun right now and don't want to put in the effort/hours to learn (which is perfectly reasonable btw, no shade) then you shouldn't play because games are meant to be played for fun

[unreal nova]

Or just suck it up and play a less fun version at 300-400 ping.

[lusty fog]

I like how they mix up sections of map to make it more dynamic tho

[runic estuary]

Would it better to run bolter or plasma gun for end game content

[lusty fog]

I wish space marine did that

[lusty fog]

I have fun but I def don't want to put in the effort haha

[stable socket]

weapon choice is largely preference, both bolter and plasma are good all the way up to high havoc

[runic estuary]

Oki thank you. I rarely play vet.

[lusty fog]

These seems doable on k + m lol, the problem is just that I'm playing with controller and only had a couple of months experiencing it

[runic estuary]

And when I do I like spamming krak grenades

Since grenades in this game feels really good to use

Although it would feel even better if the game wasn’t constantly crashing and error coding me

[stable socket]

imo bolter requires more skill because of the slower pullout + less cleave + you have to reload every 15 shots but can do boss deletion whereas plasma has faster draw, insane cleave and you only have to reload every 40ish shots (you have to quell every 8 though)

[runic estuary]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lusty fog]

Helldivers 2 and space marine 2 ( I pirated the campaign) gives you time and space to take break in middle of combat but this game is a lot of fast reaction and multiple inputs

[stable socket]

so for pure special sniping plasma is probably easier to use? but bolter lets you magdump bosses better (plasma is vaguely ok vs bosses but not amazing). this is just my personal take on it though

[runic estuary]

[stable socket]

i run plasma + psword in h40 because i lack skill so an easier loadout lets me perform better

[runic estuary]

I think I’ll take the bolter please <:3

[azure narwhal]

Special is a given for everything on psword. So yeah, special -> push attack -> light for mk6 psword

[runic estuary]

And as for melee should I run a shovel or a power falchion for crowd control since my grenades and bolter do special/elite/boss/range damage

[lusty fog]

Oh when I did special and block at the same time, it did the odd animation

[unreal nova]

That's basically sticking to malice or heresy, slack off diff.

[runic estuary]

I personally don’t like the chainsword since I feel like I’m hitting things with a wet noodle

[stable socket]

vet's best melee is prolly powersword (mk6, the one whose push attack is a stab) by a long shot

it's kind of the metaslave option though, a lot of weapons can work

[lusty fog]

Yeah that's the plan rn to see if I can endure malice n heresy

[runic estuary]

FUCKING META FUCK-

Sorry had a bit of a overreaction <:3

How is the shovel?

Specifically the one without the overhead strike mode

[stable socket]

meta is meta for a reason, it's relatively straightforward and you get a loooooot of damage for not much effort

[tough nova]

It is good

[stable socket]

i think the non-folding shovel is probably the best mark?

[runic estuary]

Uh huh

[tough nova]

Throw uncanny with skullcrusher and you're good

[runic estuary]

Writing that down

[stable socket]

you prolly want uncanny + some other blessing, and then take serrated blade for bleed to help with horde clear cuz iirc shovel heavy hits a lot of dudes but doesn't do that much cleave damage so applying bleed to everything helps you clear dense horde faster

[runic estuary]

Now for grenade perks. Should I have increase of damage of grenades or have more grenades

[stable socket]

yes

[unreal nova]

I fear the point of hitting the twins fight lul.

[runic estuary]

So have both?

[stable socket]

i like having both

[runic estuary]

Writing that down

[stable socket]

the important one for high havoc when running kraks is increased damage though

cuz it lets you oneshot h40 crushers

[runic estuary]

Splendid!

[stable socket]

the "+1 max nade, 20% chance to double up" is good qol but not mandatory, i just like having more nades in case a situation goes real south

[runic estuary]

Now what is the worst purple flavor tree at the bottom for vets skills?

I see marksmen being the worst out of the three?

[quick shell]

The extra nade node isn’t worth on kraks really imo

They often stick to the same target and therefore do nothing

[stable socket]

it's more for the +1 max when highrolling demo team

if you get a bunch of nades back it means you can use 4 in the next bad fight instead of 3, but if there are more helpful nodes this is prolly the first one i'd cut

20% chance for double krak damage on bosses is vaguely helpful but unreliable

for the purple keystones all are good, i'd take the one that you are closest to (usually focus target or weapon spec unless you're running a lasgun build)

cuz the meta vet tree is 1 away from both focus target and weapon spec (i.e. you can take whichever one you want)

[runic estuary]

Okaaaaay

So don’t take left tree never?

[distant mural]

U can its not bad.

[runic estuary]

Because the idea of standing still kinda….kinds sounds asscheeks

[distant mural]

Good for sniping stuff

Or just pick no keystone

[stable socket]

left tree is really good for marksman type builds and/or lasgun builds, usually laspistol/helbore/recon will run left tree

[unreal nova]

That one really needs a team since even the crappy bots break during the fight.

[dry cloak]

The thing is you dont stand still

[runic estuary]

So I been misreading it?

[distant mural]

I actually do sometimes aaaand u dont have to stand still anymore

[stable socket]

as long as you hit headshots and kill things with them, your crits and headshots will be stronger

[dry cloak]

Yes

[stable socket]

the stacks something something decay something moving but don't worry too much about them

[runic estuary]

I don’t know with my luck in darktide when I stand still for just a moment. I get my teeth curbed stomped, my wallet stolen and my shoes taken.

[dry cloak]

What exactly are ypu talikng about

[dry cloak]

Normal in this game

[distant mural]

They dont decay anymore that fast from moving as far as i know

[dry cloak]

Correct

[distant mural]

However

I dont run keystones

[runic estuary]

Really?

[stable socket]

i just looked it up and apparently they just decay over time now, it doesn't matter whether you're moving or not

[distant mural]

I dont think they are worth it for sniping

[runic estuary]

So you’re playing old style vet?

Before he got keystones?

[distant mural]

With exe stance i have no keystone

[runic estuary]

Potential ideas

[slender elm]

Wat

[dry cloak]

Not really possible. Vet can afford no keystone

[unreal nova]

It's now harder to do the penance imo.

[distant mural]

Imo keystones on vet are a very big investment for questionable reward.

[runic estuary]

Oh okay he erased his writing

[distant mural]

Especially middle keystone

[runic estuary]

I see a lot of vets taking just the single key stone in middle treee

Is it that good or no?

[distant mural]

Not really

[slender elm]

No keystone is thonk

[distant mural]

Imo

[stable socket]

i run focus target because plasma needs a lot of help for gunner 1shs breakpoints in h40

[distant mural]

Its not a lot of dmg and its just one enemy at a time

Yeah or for breakpoints

[stable socket]

but it depends heavily on your weapon

[runic estuary]

Well if I’m running bolter

[stable socket]

idk the bolter breakpoints

[distant mural]

On bolter no

[runic estuary]

Than I won’t be getting new break points

[distant mural]

U oneshot most gunners anyway

[runic estuary]

Yeah

[vagrant dagger]

So I check the armory and melk for power swords now, because I've been told repeatedly it's the best vet melee and I want to offset my skill issues.

Just to make sure, you still want to dump mobility right?

[distant mural]

Yes

[stable socket]

being able to put 20% more damage on twins is also nice because there's no such thing as killing them too fast, but it's possible that there are better nodes

if you get 60% cleave targets you can use that as well cuz iirc you don't lose any important cleave breakpoints if you run power cycler + sunder (which is a strong option because it lets you cleave mixed horde at head height without stopping on mauler heads or crusher chests)

[vagrant dagger]

Ok good ty
i recently got one from a mission, already purple and in the high 400s, but with 60 cleave

[distant mural]

Also constantly tagging stuff annoys me

[unreal nova]

Power sword is cleave targets.

You never want to swing uncharged anyway.

[quick shell]

No you dump cleave targets

[distant mural]

Do not sump cleave target lol

[quick shell]

Idk if psword will fix skill issue

[quick shell]

Yes do, that’s the dump stat

[distant mural]

No sir

[quick shell]

Yes it literally is

[distant mural]

It is not

[quick shell]

Read the guide

[distant mural]

I dump mob

I can think for myself

[quick shell]

Ok cool, mobility dump is fine

But cleave targets is better

[distant mural]

Nu uh

What does 80 mob do for you?

U dont get an extra dodge

So what does it do?

[quick shell]

80 cleave target does nothing because psword damage and cleave is so high anyway

Literally nothing.

[unreal nova]

Don't waste time arguing honestly. That guy will just say to disagree.

[quick shell]

True

[distant mural]

It literally cleaves more

Like thats what it does

And what i want from the p-sword

Again what does 80 mob do?

[lusty fog]

I did it in uprising with rando

It seems very tough in higher diff yea

[distant mural]

True dont waste time arguing with no arguments

[stable socket]

i think it's because sunder psword has 43 cleave with 60% cleave targets when energized

[vagrant dagger]

so i launched the game for a sec to check whether my psword has 60 "cleave targets", but alas it's 60 "cleave damage"

it's not good in either case

[stable socket]

and you will probably never need to go from 43 to 44 cleave

[quick shell]

Cleave target would be ideal

[slender elm]

Too much unga bunga hit boss while hordes and elite squads murder your team

[unreal nova]

It gets brutal on heresy lul.

[quick shell]

This is the case yep

Mfw sunder gives me 400% cleave

[lusty fog]

Damn

[unreal nova]

I mean, I guess if you need to hit that one extra poxxer.

Maybe.

[quick shell]

Don’t poxes have a mass of like 2 anyway

[unreal nova]

Increased mass in havoc moment.

[stable socket]

ok it turns out h40 maulers have 10 hit mass and crushers have 12.5, so if you're attacking into insanely dense mixed horde there's a chance that 80 cleave target will let you hit one more poxwalker than 60

[quick shell]

But yeah I’ve dumped cleave targets and I’ve seen my power sword get stuck in one single situation

Which is rotten armour into crusher packs

[unreal nova]

Thus, the maybe hit 1 more poxxer.

[quick shell]

And 1 more target isn’t gonna change that

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[unreal nova]

That's just rot crushers.

[tame lodge]

Groaners 1.25
Poxwalkers 1.5

[quick shell]

It’s about the number of them

[quick shell]

Is that hav40

Or regular

[tame lodge]

Regular

[unreal nova]

I know, everything is getting stuck at that point unless pure inf cleave.

[quick shell]

I mean nothing else is cleaving cara

[stable socket]

groaners apparently have 3.375 hitmass on h40... that's crazy

[quick shell]

Lmao

But u really need that 1 extra cleave targets

[stable socket]

but yeah i have never seen sunder psword get stuck

[quick shell]

U can hit a third of a poxwalker

Lmao

[stable socket]

because unlike the other guy when i see rotten armor i fuck off and use kraks

psword only when there's 1 or 2 left

[quick shell]

Unfortunately u cant do that

Because there’s simply too many

[stable socket]

i had one run where it mostly worked

[quick shell]

U throw 4 kraks, kill 6-7 enemies at best

[stable socket]

but i think i just rolled insanely well on demo team

[quick shell]

There’s still another 30

[stable socket]

in rotten i only use kraks for crushers

cuz purg psyker cleans everything else

[quick shell]

I’m going to swap my rotten loadout to frags

[stable socket]

but i noticed i had a lot more nades than usual probably because i just got many many nades from demo team

[tame lodge]

Yeah the basic trash horde gets a x2.7 mass
So Walkers have 4.05

[stable socket]

jesus

[distant mural]

Guess ill dump cleave target.

[quick shell]

Lmfao

[stable socket]

i have a whole bunch of hours in this game and im still picking up stuff! every now and then i learn something that makes me change up my build but that's a good thing cuz it means i'm stronger than before

[tame lodge]

Yes

[quick shell]

I just run suboptimal shit and power through anyway

[stable socket]

yeah in the end all optimization is just a crutch for lack of skill

[distant mural]

I was infact joking

[stable socket]

it's just that my lack of skill is quite severe so i need as much optimization as possible

[quick shell]

I’m not that good anyway but my head is harder than any wall

[tame lodge]

Don't care
A 10.9 cleave or an 11.7 cleave ain't hitting more than 3 h40 walkers anyways

[distant mural]

I dont care either cause i dont ply havoc anymore.

[tame lodge]

[distant mural]

So i dont have to dump cleave target on my p-sword smh

[stable socket]

Outside of havoc there's basically no way you're gonna need 43 cleave

So the stat is completely useless! But honestly mobility isn't that impactful either

[steep flower]

Thats why shredders are also a great option especially if you abuse uncanny - kraks offer immediate deletion & boss dmg
Shredders offer softeting of carapace cause DoT & mixed horde thar comes with them

[distant mural]

I think it has more use then mob

[steep flower]

Thats why shredders are also a great option especially if you abuse uncanny - kraks offer immediate deletion & boss dmg
Shredders offer softeting of carapace cause DoT & mixed horde thar comes with them

[quick shell]

We’ve just established it changes literally nothing.

[slender elm]

lets fucking go

[distant mural]

It does i can hit more enemys.

[unreal nova]

Literally, don't bother. He's clearly just riling you up.

[distant mural]

Forgive me for having an opinion

[quick shell]

that's not quite how opinions work though

[quick shell]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[vagrant dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ4nFjRbgkM

[quick shell]

LOL

[slender elm]

man

do i want the highlight big enemies node for exestance

when im running ilas...

i feel like currently the amount of stalkers the game throws at me obfuscates the higher priority targets...

but at the same time i kinda do fuckall to ogryns except reapers

[azure narwhal]

Ye because of extended duration + fights you'll have with what i hope is anti carapace melee

[tough nova]

I prefer it just for the duration

[slender elm]

axe

is rashad

might try tact axe but idk

guess i'll try out the other node

[azure narwhal]

Caxe is not bad with carapace tbh so i'm surprised you're struggling

You bringing kraks?

[slender elm]

struggling?

i didnt say that

[azure narwhal]

^

[slender elm]

im just having issues because the previous few engagements were a yellow blob and i was spraying

because ilas

you dont expect to shoot many big targets with an ilas

[azure narwhal]

If you meant struggling with ilas on ogryns ofc

Its not meant for that

You special/elite hunt with gun

Then close in with melee for big guys or krak

[slender elm]

obviously, which is why idk if i want the ogryn node

[azure narwhal]

Duration + upkeeping exe stance in said ogryn fights is important

[slender elm]

ok den

[azure narwhal]

By all means try it out but

There's a reason it's almost always picked

[slender elm]

welp, having a hard time testing it because my team relentlessly falls over

teams, in fact

where the hell are all these shitters coming from

[rocky vine]

Fatshark give me this weapon on vet and my life is yours

[vagrant dagger]

also badass rangefinder backpack and cigarette cosmetic

[slender elm]

same

[tall torrent]

21%+5%+5%

[unreal nova]

Yes, someone said it. I was thinking you typo'd and made a joke about it.

[slim pagoda]

Put the Karkin' BOOT in

[rocky vine]

knowing that the belt fed machine gun can utilize the range finder makes me think that machine gun is a beam of bullets with very nices finnesse

[steep flower]

You ALWAYS want the ogryn node (unless exec stance then it depends)

[steep flower]

Sales

[heavy rover]

Lore accurate militarum survival rate

[unreal nova]

When your +9 stam psyker is last one alive.

[steep flower]

Karien pls don’t tell me you put 9 stamina on your psyker

[unreal nova]

It's not even new.

I did that for over a year now.

Ask psyker mains.

[unreal nova]

+9 stam, cdr, stam regen, block effi.

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[quick shell]

what

[unreal nova]

That's my psyker curios on my funni build.

[dry cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733712158008803339/1364870194236887140/caption.gif

[slow spade]

yeah you only need to focus defense because you have 3 allies for damage

[rough stream]

is there a preferred hellbore mark or is it all references

[tame lodge]

Preference

[tall torrent]

All 3 good, check pinned guide

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game so it's my favorite

[runic cliff]

good leveling vet build anyone? lvl 15 atm. just got voice of command

[calm shard]

so called "heavily armored" crusher when I shoot him twice

[mystic pilot]

pinned guide will tell how each mark perform

V is only 12rpm faster than IIIa

[silver patrol]

they should make a mark that is twice as slow to charge/shoot but has infinite cleave at max charge and even stronger than mk4 methinks

[heavy rover]

Use Weight of Fire on the Mk V helbore if you want a good laugh

Granted it is anti synergy with Surgical, but it's hilarious nonetheless

[hollow ibex]

On Mk V you mean

[mystic pilot]

I wasn't talking about the DPM. Just Rounds Per Minute aka Shots fired per minute. And my context was that why get V when IIIa is only 12rpm "slower"

[hollow ibex]

Cuz they have basically the same breakpoints in auric so why not shoot that bit faster instead

Also gap will increase with WOF

[heavy rover]

Oh woops yeah, corrected that typo

[hollow ibex]

Mk V 🤝 WOF

[calm shard]

I just use the increased fire rate of Mk V to drop weight of fire for hot-shot

[hollow ibex]

Hello, not based department??

[valid turret]

Yes....also, where my Hellgun PlumpSquid?!

[tame lodge]

[slender elm]

Too many targets aaaaaaaa

[exotic forge]

Does Krak grenade get the damage buff from Infiltrate?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[exotic forge]

Great

[gentle lake]

by how much though

like is it even worth it