veteran-class

[lost shadow]

but bosses

[quick shell]

not in havoc

[lost shadow]

oh

[austere mica]

Bosses are neither flak nor carapace

And those perks are for gunner 1 shot headshots

[lost shadow]

this is going to be expensive

I don't think I'm ready for havok should I just do "join any" missions from the console? as high difficulty as I can handle?

[quick shell]

i would get a proper thermal dump

and not upgrade that

because that is not a great roll

[lost shadow]

need to farm tons of ordos then

[gilded raft]

I wouldn't worry about 5% here or there stat wise. Doesn't matter. By the time you're looking to micro-optimize like that for the highest of havocs, resources should not be a concern.

upgrade what you have, use it, have fun with it, a tiny % diff on one stat or another won't make a difference

plasma is gonna be OP anyway, so just click on heads and laugh maniacally

[lost shadow]

"so just click on heads and laugh maniacally" I feel observed

that's exactly the reason I came back after years

[stark holly]

It’s better to just use a 500 stat decently rolled weapon from melk with your weekly credits

And just wait until you find a properly rolled weapon to invest resources into

If you aren’t playing in the highest difficulties, the breakpoints are a lot lower, so you will be fine anyway

[lost shadow]

mel weapons have more points in total than rolling with ordos?

[dry cloak]

No

They just come pre upgraded

[lost shadow]

yeah but chance seems super low

[charred halo]

is being dead weight in aurics just part of the learning process

[dry cloak]

Yeah

Train on hi intesity damnation if occasion arises

[gilded raft]

no, that's called "queueing for the wrong thing". Beating the game on damnation consistently is the goal.

[quasi jasper]

Should I trade Deadshot for the +15 Toughness boost?

[shell bane]

So I'm pretty new, I might have consecrated a vigilant autogun with a mobility dump stat to the max cuz I wanted a good gun I could main for a while, also seemed pretty cool to use. Should I have done that or nah? I have enough resources to max another weapon so I thought it won't be much of a loss

[tall torrent]

It’s a good gun dw

Change it to columnus mk3

And check the pinned guide for perks & blessings to use

[shell bane]

Okay thanks but why columnus and not graia? I have agripinaa right now but was gonna switch to graia to try it without burst fire

[tall torrent]

Graia is not good with breakpoints without significant investment

[quasi jasper]

Breakpoints?

[shell bane]

I'm pretty sure it's just how many shots it takes to kill an enemy

[faint beacon]

Graia ironically went from the best to worst mark of the Vigils

[tall torrent]

Increments of damage needed to kill priority enemies in as few hits as possible

[sharp epoch]

wow your cooked

[calm shard]

and it's still a good gun

[faint beacon]

Agri just offers a bit more than Graia and Columnus literally just does both jobs good

[quasi jasper]

If I switch to a melee build, does it even matter what ranged weapon I choose? Won't the point of the melee build be to run into the enemy and hit them?

[distant plaza]

being about to reach out and touch that trapper is always valuable

[quasi jasper]

I can see that, but then why do most melee vets run 1 handers like laspistol?

[sleek garden]

shoots fast and is mobile

[distant plaza]

quick swap, mobility, good dmg into priority threats and so on sniff

[quasi jasper]

Ah. Wasn't considering the swap speed.

[distant plaza]

the boltgun is painfully slow to switch to -_-

[quasi jasper]

Autopistol it is then

[distant plaza]

hey, if you like it, my guess is you'll put in the sweat to make it work and have fun^tm in the process

[calm shard]

the humble executioner's stance autoswap

[quasi jasper]

I thoroughly enjoy ranged vet with executioner stance, but for reasons Im not quite clear on I am really squishy. Inevitably I get surrounded by something and in 3 hits Im down. So im thinking about trying out Voice of Command or stealth mode

[distant plaza]

ngl it's been a while since i played ES >.>

[hollow ibex]

Positioning and situational awareness are really important since you can’t just press F and get away

[tall torrent]

Are u playing on pc

[hollow ibex]

But ES is really strong

[quasi jasper]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Get creature spawner mod and just practice

[umbral scaffold]

When you don't have an ability that just undoes your problems with a single press, you gotta rely on the basics

Oh yeah, allowing melee on it was one of the best changes it had

[quasi jasper]

Im actually really good at a distance. Ive been trying to improve on melee. Ya'll are correct its a skill issue. Doesn't change my interest in switching up the build. That video just above looks pretty sweet. Most of the time I struggle to move that fast

[hollow ibex]

Young people reflexes 😭

[umbral scaffold]

Bro is in The Zone

[quasi jasper]

I didnt realize the power sword could down ragers like that.

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword will stagger them with activated attacks, so it helps a lot

McDonald's power falchion

[quasi jasper]

Back to power sword I go then!

Power sword and autopistol, let's see where this takes me..

[hollow ibex]

It’s part of the reason why psword is so good

You can just shit all over rager hordes

[quasi jasper]

How will it perform against armored enemies? Thats the biggest question I have right now, switching to melee how do I effectively handle bulwarks, crushers, maulers, etc

[orchid hemlock]

It's the same

[hollow ibex]

Highest dps melee weapon against armor

[orchid hemlock]

If you want to do single target damage you push attack

[hollow ibex]

Charge PA L L

[quasi jasper]

Huh. Im excited

[umbral scaffold]

I miss the crusher double-tap

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-wolverine-michael-jordan-sad-gif-11588094

[hollow ibex]

It was a bit silly tbf

And being able to do 3 tap is still ridiculously powerful

[umbral scaffold]

platypus

[rocky vine]

Lets see. I don’t usually stop around this street but I assume yall dream about melta guns for veteren in darktide.

[tame lodge]

I honestly don't

Now an LMG
Hoo boy
We are talking

https://tenor.com/view/tachanka-king-lmg-kill-gun-gif-15890718

[quasi jasper]

That

Would

Be

AWESOME

But alas, our Ogryn peeps get that and we never will

[serene bough]

Isn't melta gun already in files

[tame lodge]

The magazine is

That's for sure

[tall torrent]

One of the best if not the best melee weapon vs carapace

[quick shell]

If we get a melta it has to be zealot

[rocky vine]

why not a shared weapon between zealot and vet

[quick shell]

True

[formal rapids]

Hey folks! New veteran here, round level 22. I've been trying to find info around on what the best general use loadout is for us and I've found alot of contradictory or outdated info. Any recommendation as far as documentation goes?

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor guide in the pins

It’s pretty much the ultimate vet guide

And then some

[formal rapids]

Thank you 🙂

Holy s*** 😂 It's like a wikipedia on its own

Oh yeah I was WAY off with the perk tree

[tall torrent]

& zealot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1459272363664347248/cooking-does-he-know.gif

[turbid ibex]

i was about to say the zealot part was missing some stuff but i just saw you added builds for it

so yeah ultimate guide for fundamentals, vet and zealot for now

and in the future the other 3 human classes

[hollow ibex]

Did you cover zealot talents too? Or just weapons 🤔

[hollow ibex]

lol I subconsciously skipped over all that

Since I no longer play zealot

I’ll consult the guide if I ever feel like returning to the relic blade class

It’s prob the only reason I’d return to the class tbh

[tough nova]

Omg please try the crusher with inexorable judgement

Bonklife

[hollow ibex]

sorry

i have a physical condition that prevents from playing anything other than marty

if i'm to touch zealot

[tough nova]

Im sorry to hear that

[rocky vine]

Needle rifle for veteren?

[orchid hemlock]

if they gave needle pistol to vet, Vet would be the new best class in the game

[rocky vine]

whoever holds the one ring

[tall torrent]

very unlikely

[turbid ibex]

Thankfully

[slender elm]

I'm enjoying executing people in sm2 with the psword

It sounds like the fucking metal pipe meme

[rocky vine]

Maybe it has charging like the psyker staff that can charge up by firing. At max charge it does the most finnesse, armor pen and and fire rate.

[thorny egret]

I want a multiclass, drum-fed shotgun

[ivory kiln]

may be wrong but I think 3 barrels is a shotlas

[gentle lake]

Orky weapon

[rocky vine]

I think that is a ryza pattern lasgun

[rocky vine]

Oh shit

[umbral scaffold]

real

I wanted a pump-action that wasn't restricted to arby and had a non-zero number of shots before reloading

[ivory kiln]

I too look at scab shotgunners with envy

[umbral scaffold]

They sure didn't call the Striker "street sweeper" because of holding 4 whole shells

[umbral scaffold]

Scab shotgunners can chook-chook-pow and I can't

[formal ice]

Is this how Rocyria and Pavane veterans feel like

[tulip owl]

when i look at the list of weapons in the tabletop game codex, then a melter and grenade launcher would be an addition we could get. certainly would be funny

[austere mica]

Please no grenade launcher

[formal ice]

Play ogryn

[austere mica]

Having rumbler in its current state is bad enough

[formal ice]

What is wrong with rumbler

[tulip owl]

rumbler?

[austere mica]

Back Off! gives it infinite ammo and makes it highly spammable, and pathing to it gives it burn

• it having good stagger

And being balanced around 20 shots

[formal ice]

Ogrynheimer

[austere mica]

Veteran with a grenade launcher would be far far worse

[formal ice]

That's literally the most fun build for ogryn

[frigid rover]

hivescum dual grenade launchers

[formal ice]

Doesn't make sense for the shooting gun to have explosives

[austere mica]

Confirm crits, infinite ammo, massive ranged buffs

[frigid rover]

vet already has infinite grenade launcher, its called his arm

and its great!

[austere mica]

Its not fun for anyone else in the lobby unless you really like fireworks or the ogryn in question is really really slow

Death To Infinite Cleave

[tulip owl]

so you dont liek flamers /flamstaff either?

[austere mica]

Yeah

Those need to be shot dead

[tulip owl]

if you switch off the game you have the calmest spectacles

best way to avoid the fireworks in the game

[formal ice]

Better not put a smyker right next to that buggy

[austere mica]

Voidblast (or at least its interaction with Blazing Spirit) too

And probably manstopper for good measure

[formal ice]

Basically you have every weapon that clears hordes

Hate*

[tulip owl]

even the recon lasgun?

[austere mica]

Every weapon that has infinite scaling into density

Relic clears hordes

Heavy sword clears hordes disgustingly

[slender elm]

Guys is tac axe just combat axe but faster

[austere mica]

Recon is just a gun why would I hate it

Its pretty mid at this point

[tulip owl]

because alot of light when you shoot it

[austere mica]

Yeah basically (not really but I'm a taxe cultist)

[austere mica]

Huh

[frigid rover]

heavy sword

[austere mica]

Wait you think my beef is with vfx

[austere mica]

Scum

Have you ever seen two 14 kill swings back to back

[frigid rover]

scum hasnt even had a balance pass yet :p

[austere mica]

Heavy sword is also great for hordes outside of them but its lame against cara so nobody uses it off of scum

[deft tangle]

is there any way to check if I am at 90% accuracy during a game?

[austere mica]

Guess

The real answer is play a build where you inherently do not miss

Such as double barrel weapon specialist

[deft tangle]

im using that y

[austere mica]

Oh then you're fine

[deft tangle]

is the weapon with less ammo?

[mortal horizon]

wasnt there a buff on hotshot for helbores that was making tier 1 cleave more than tier 4? is that fixed?

[tall torrent]

Got patched

[mortal horizon]

ty

[austere mica]

Hotshot was so fucked

It did literally nothing its tooltip said except let you hit more things

[tall torrent]

I think I might delay the arb sections for a while

Maybe till they get their first major patch of 2026 out

NMS so peak game I can’t lie

[austere mica]

You could add dumb stuff like player hp breakpoints

Unless I'm blind and you have them

[tall torrent]

I did mention it in curio section

[austere mica]

Recentralizing it somewhere might do some good

[tall torrent]

And I also added curio recommendation for each build

Vet builds all have same curio recommendation basically

Zealot martyr has slightly different

No hp curio perks (bomber resist instead)

Bomber resist x2 actually kinda nice for martyr

U don’t get messed up by pox gas as hard since all ur survivability hinges on toughness

[austere mica]

You could add arbitrator callout codes i guess

[tall torrent]

I did

It’s like at the start

[austere mica]

Oh I am just actually blind

It is so horrically over

[tall torrent]

Toughness, stamina, health
3 toughness
2 gunner
2 health
2 docket/revive

I think this applies to vet, psyker and hvs tbh

Just really generalist picks

[austere mica]

I should probably do something like that and not brainrot 3x toughness gunner res stam regen

But then I lose on easy interchangability

[tall torrent]

And then for zealot/arb

Toughness, stamina, toughness
3 toughness
2 gunner
2 health
2 docket/revive

Except martyr

Wound, stamina, wound
3 toughness
2 gunner
2 bomber
2 docket/revive

Not sure if I want to add ogryn (that’d be way later anyway)

[austere mica]

Do ogryn last

[tall torrent]

But for ogryn I’d do
Toughness, toughness, toughness
3 toughness
2 gunner
2 health
2 docket/revive

[tall torrent]

Well they’re kinda not in the plans rn

Current plan is arb -> hvs -> psyker

[austere mica]

Sounds good

[tall torrent]

Arb before hvs because hvs might get tweaks soon (chemist side)

[austere mica]

Though it does spell a vain hope for a psyker rebalance

[tall torrent]

Ogryn not in plan because ogrynomicon already exists, and ogryn might get a branch rework

Psyker last because psyker op

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[austere mica]

Arb actually having a build resource that exists will be neat

[tall torrent]

Well

I think the recommended arb builds in guide will just be

3 builds with BTL

[austere mica]

Better than what exists

Its not like swapping abilities costs you anything

You're taking soulguilt anyway

[tall torrent]

No I’m specifically hammering down the idea that arb only has 1 ult

And arb might get 1 less build than the others?

I try to be representative of diff playstyles for these example builds

[austere mica]

Probably just make melee ranged and then dog

Maybe 2 versions for melee for lone wolf and not

[tall torrent]

So vet gets hybrid, ranged, nade and tryhard

Zealot gets autopilot, martyr, support boy and meme

Arb I think only 3 compared to the rest

[austere mica]

Just hit your quota by making a dog/no dog split for a build

[tall torrent]

Arb maul EO flex
Crusher LW forceful frontliner
Beast master (not sure if this deserves a separate section apart from the default)

It’s prob 2 or 3 builds

There’re no others

Nuncio doesn’t exist

[austere mica]

Make an exe mk3 spam build to appease the audience

[tall torrent]

Castrated stance needs to do smth else to matter for team play

TW doesn’t exist

[austere mica]

Run it with btl for the funny

[tall torrent]

Isn’t that just the default build

It’s not like the default cares about specific gun picks

[austere mica]

Does default include like

Ranged support stuff

[tall torrent]

Arb maul EO with dog

Basically

It’s as basic as it gets

And then LW forceful with crusher for a more flexible frontliner compared to ogryn being the other build

I would have liked to include a shield maul block build but it’s just not as good as crusher w+m1

Not as high team value most of the time either

[austere mica]

Arby really does just suffer from overspecialization

[tall torrent]

And u could just run shield maul with the default anyway

It’s just that arb maul is more dps

[tall torrent]

It’s 1 overarching playstyle with 2 builds basically

[austere mica]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Frankly I could do vet like that too

[austere mica]

What aux nodes does btl take

[tall torrent]

The bomber build didn’t need to exist

[tall torrent]

For EO, default is nothing, but build leaves flex points

For LW forceful, default is taking that CD skip subnode

[austere mica]

So just 2 points in

Yeah I guess its other 2 are kinda useless

This class

[tall torrent]

The extra distance one feels very good but gets countered hard by ogryn spam

And the dog damage one is

Not as good as EO

[austere mica]

The extra distance one is largely superfluous imo

Its a shoulder check

[tall torrent]

It’s really nice for catching specials and gunners out of reach

[austere mica]

Yeah I can see that but its not super useful for its primary usecase

Which is just shoulderchecking a mixed horde/armor blob

[tall torrent]

I’m also prob gonna write out that arb is mid in boss damage

[austere mica]

You should

[tall torrent]

And finally claim the first organically given clown award on the guide

[austere mica]

All its boss damage is guns

Exe mk7, agri combat, agrivolver (lol), bolter, shistol i guesss

Oh and mk5 iag but who the hell takes that on arby

[tall torrent]

I would

It’s one of the best guns on arb

Better than all the shotguns

[austere mica]

Its one of the best guns

[tall torrent]

Remember this class gets +16% crit chance from kills

[austere mica]

Its just not terribly user friendly

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s super user friendly u just spray head lvl

[fair shale]

Vraks? Not user friendly?

[austere mica]

I might be biased my aim is utter ass

[tall torrent]

It’s way better than all the shotguns options

[fair shale]

Its one of the easiest to use, no personality guns in darktide

[tall torrent]

The only shotgun that actually does smth interesting that this gun doesn’t do better

Is Mk3 ext

Which is horrible past 12m

And the only reason for taking Mk3 ext is to stun mauler/rager mixed horde

[austere mica]

I wish it wasn't physically painful to spam lawb alt shells cause I would meme it so much more

[tall torrent]

Which is only really applicable for the default EO setup

Because u basically never need that on a forceful crusher setup

[fair shale]

One day they'll let me only load slugs into the Combat Shotgun

[austere mica]

I miss with the dead aim slugs more than the shells

Agri combat ps6 exe vet was really fun when I played a bunch of it recently

(Like 8-10 missions)

[fair shale]

If i could literally only load slugs into the combat shotty it might be one of the only guns I care to use anymore

[austere mica]

It would also probably be busted as hell

[tall torrent]

It would jump up at least 3 levels

[austere mica]

Aren't slugs the second most damaging projectile in like

[tall torrent]

Go from top 6-7 to top 3-4 ranged for vet

[austere mica]

The entire game

[fair shale]

who cares anymore, just spawn 800 more crushers to compensate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere mica]

Beaten by plasma charge shot

[tall torrent]

No

Highest is helbore IV I think?

Idk idrc about those specifics

Only breakpoints

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’d push into top 1-2 tho

[austere mica]

Yeah its just a funny little bit

Who would win

Plasma gun that will punch through future metal walls

Modern shotgun slug

[fair shale]

The shotgun won't blow up in my hands

So

I'm taking the shotgun

[tall torrent]

It’s a bit of a shame that

Combat shotgun has some of the best weapon skins

But is still mid

After the buffs

[austere mica]

Plasma also won't if you're not an idiot

[fair shale]

Doesn't matter

Its good enough

You can use whatever you want in this game if you're good at it

[austere mica]

And if you hate plasma exploding
Just go steal a pulse rifle

[tall torrent]

Anyways I been playing NMS for past few days

Genuinely insane game

My reaction when I saw freighter bridge building and fleet management systems

[steel veldt]

Why does Infantry Lasgun still have so much recoil

It makes using it impossible

It's a LASGUN why so much recoil???

[austere mica]

Idk

Well actually I do

But not why it has that much

If it helps its all visual recoil

The actual recoil is much smaller

[steel veldt]

See?! It's madness!

Actual madness!

[azure narwhal]

Speaking of. What do you think on MMF vs FT on such weapons that benefit from it? I've lately seen players substitute with FT

[slender elm]

They tried making a lasgun with no recoil in the desgin phase, it was utter horrid to shoot

Bad weapon lol

Just feels horrible

[calm shard]

recon lasgun type shit

completely unrelated but I played a feudal world guardsman in a Dark Heresy campaign who hated lasguns for that very reason

that they had no recoil so they felt like shit to shoot

and he preferred autoguns xd

[slender elm]

At this point im like, welp i have tunnel vision and the node that spends stam during ads

[grand perch]

Ork mindset

[slender elm]

man, lvl fking 20 scum complaining about low dps from team when he's fucking emptying mags chem bombing trash

also they all went down at the same time

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-gif-5935759059195122434

Block that mf immediatly

[slender elm]

i forgor

on the other hand, i do expect veterans to do limited dps

if they're not wasting ammo on trash

[slender elm]

it was regular damnation, not much i need to shoot

lel

[rough stream]

is plasma still crit reliant ?

[slender elm]

i assume so?

[steep mantle]

Yes, it is, and we are all grieving with you

[calm shard]

true

[slender elm]

eh...

cant argue with that

hard to find targets to shoot when 2 scum are shooting up the floor

[native hamlet]

what's this i hear about vet wanting hp curios?

[trail ore]

it was supposed to have no recoil

except that apparently felt really bad to play with

[slender elm]

need a hp curio so they dont immediately die to a burster

[tame lodge]

201 hp 1 sniper res
Allows you to survive 2 bursters/snipers

[calm shard]

okay but I don't get hit by snipers

so

[tame lodge]

Weak aura

You should play chicken with them

[calm shard]

I think I'll just shoot them

[tame lodge]

Weak Aura

[native hamlet]

that shooter kill felt personal

[native hamlet]

what about havoc?

[regal smelt]

As long as you have enough %hp curios to reach 200+hp, the damage you take from them in havoc is the same

health gets reduced so much though that I just accept dying in 2 hits. If I take any hp it's for chip damage

[native hamlet]

why is this the case? is there not as much dr on vetty compared to the others?

[regal smelt]

yeah basically.

psyker was worse but then they added like 5 talents that make them a tank for some reason

Bursters used to be a lot more scary back when hearing and pushing them was way more inconsistent. I used to take Just enough for 200hp, but now it's just a skill issue if they get you

Now I intentionally melee them to make auric interesting

[azure narwhal]

That being said, vet has a boatload of toughness, golden toughness or exe stance with confirmed kill which outgens most things, and well, the core Iron Will which pairs well with all these

But psyker is def best in class at it

[unreal nova]

Till stealth burster congaline in lights out.

[regal smelt]

yeah if you're voc you don't care about burster breakpoints

[unreal nova]

I saw like 7 of them.

[azure narwhal]

That'd kill anyone tbh xd

[unreal nova]

It killed the oggy.

To be fair 2-3 feels normal nowadays.

[regal smelt]

pretty sure you can survive those with nuncio aquilla, it has weird dr that will allow your blue toughness to tank two before bleeding into health

[unreal nova]

You even see 3 trappers in malice pretty uncommonly.

2 is normal.

So not sure what FS did to special spawns.

But they are increased for sure.

[regal smelt]

certain parts of maps like spawning a lot of them

[calm shard]

this game is so fucked up sometimes man

[jolly sparrow]

What even is there that's wrong

Oh I get it you couldn't dash away?

[calm shard]

yeah

[jolly sparrow]

That sucks

[charred halo]

yall ever just keep executioners stance going for like a solid 45 seconds

[slender elm]

Not on my diff no

[serene bough]

Exe stance can last minutes if youre quick enough

[charred halo]

not even quick enough

just the right gun and positioning

[serene bough]

Its a beautiful thing

[charred halo]

this shit kept going both before and after the clip ended

recon lasgun shock trooper is a thing of beauty

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/Mv9aRrDIlfw?si=QfWffZh370MedX54

@faint beacon

[calm shard]

almost identical to how I play helbore vet in havocs xd

including using the dclaw sword!

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[tall torrent]

vet only has TDR, but no DR

[native hamlet]

what's a good melee combo with heavy helbore? been trying to use it in mortis trials but there don't seem to be enough breathing room

[primal zealot]

probably toothpick

[calm shard]

devilclaw sword, chainsword, or heavy sword

helbore kills armored enemies so you only need your melee to be good at killing fodder enemies

and BOY do those 3 kill fodder enemies

[dense kite]

So, to get On Overwatch done, do I need to literally never be hit by a melee attack? Or can I be hit as long as it's only damaging toughness? I swear I've gotten a run or two where I never get hit in melee without toughness but haven't gotten it yet

Also Low Intensity missions seem to never spawn

[calm shard]

can't take HEALTH damage

if you get hit by a melee attack while below full toughness ever you will lose health to it

[dense kite]

Gotcha so toughness is good

[calm shard]

yes

[dense kite]

I guess I just need to be better lol

Seven billion more train runs

[polar rain]

My buddy is STRUGGLING on that one ngl

[dense kite]

I swear if me getting clipped by a hound in the last seconds of my last mission broke it I will unleash hell not yet before seen in this hive city

I didn't even get pinned, he just bounced off

[calm shard]

hounds are infact melee damage

they USED to deal 1 damage with their hitbox when pouncing someone else

[dense kite]

One good thing is I get to farm the Voice of Command and Krak Grenade penances

[calm shard]

but that got patched out specifically because of that penance xd

[dense kite]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

Oh no gifs rip

[calm shard]

it's cause you're new

[dense kite]

Dang it

The discrimination smh

[stark tundra]

Someone wanna help me get the On overwatch penance?

[heavy rover]

I use tac axe

[native hamlet]

you should try voice of command

[dense kite]

I'm on VoC

[native hamlet]

cool

[dense kite]

Gotta get the VoC drip

[native hamlet]

thanks

[narrow widget]

i always found train to be the hardest to do on overwatch on lol cuz there's no room to maneuver
maybe try on ascension riser or archivum sycorax?

[dense kite]

I'll give those a shot

[slim pagoda]

is the power sword still cool

[hollow ibex]

yes

[native hamlet]

how would you choose one? it's not often i go for a pure horde clear weapon, so i'm unfamiliar with strengths and weaknesses

guide in pins helped with heavy sword being good maniac damage, but other than that they're all kinda similar looking

[mystic pilot]

Chainsword go revv

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-chainsaw-griswold-clark-griswold-christmas-vacation-gif-15677851

[tame lodge]

Just go heavy sword

[calm shard]

dclaw sword is extremely safe and instantly removes any rager that targets you ever

[tame lodge]

Best everything clear
Except carapace

[calm shard]

chainsword is lightspam with extremely efficient damage into large unarmored crowds but gets stuck a teensy bit on flak ragers

heavy sword spams heavies and kills everything

but out of the three options is the worst into ragers

since its only method of staggering them is its slow ass special

chord can do it with any heavy (XIIIg) or push attack (IV)

dclaw just parry them and one shot them the instant they try anything funny lmaooo

also don't use Mk1 dclaw it is literally directly inferior to both other dclaws for some reason

[tough nova]

Mk7 dclaw has goated moveset

Only the crusher feels better

[calm shard]

I dunno Mk VII dclaw kinda came out of left field and may honestly be my favorite melee in the entire game after using it more

That thing unironically makes the dclaw look like a good weapon

[tough nova]

I love the push attack and the heavy light combos for hordes and single target.

Its just so weak into cara but you can build around that

[calm shard]

the things it does to literally everything not cara though

even maulers

[hollow ibex]

dclaw mk7 has a cool moveset

but you can still def feel the lack of raw power at times

[dense kite]

I am getting so tired of these hounds oml

[hollow ibex]

hounds have gotten so much worse

pouncing immediately and shit

[dense kite]

So many good runs ruined by a light clip or silent pounces out of left field

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/3qR06ob and of course

[shell bane]

Is devil's claw a good crowd clear?

[tough nova]

It feels very strong on HS

[shell bane]

I heard the Antax combat axe also works as a bit of a crowd control but I'm not sure if that's true either

[formal ice]

Yeah

[tough nova]

It clears trash very fast

[calm shard]

very yes

if you only need it to kill trash mobs and ragers it is absurdly good at it

just can't kill crushers super quickly

[formal ice]

Combat axe sucks at horde clear if you don't have one specific blessing

[tough nova]

It has one of the highest finesse modifiers so it is pretty reliant on your aim and build support.

[shell bane]

Well are there any other mobs that can gang up on me in immense numbers?

[calm shard]

maulers

dclaw can kill them pretty decently

but it still relies on the parry to do it so while it'll still be safe it probably won't be fast

[tough nova]

It stagger them better than you would think too

[shell bane]

Okay so what ranged is good for taking out armor then? I assume that's the biggest issue with maulers?

[calm shard]

helbore IV

[shell bane]

I'm trying to make a single target gun build

[calm shard]

by miles

[shell bane]

Okay noted

[calm shard]

only gun that can compare is bolter

bolter does not have infinite ammo like helbore does

[shell bane]

I have an orange columnus vigilant lol

Haven't the luck for a dump stat helbore yet, haven't unlocked bolter

Also wdym infinite ammo

[tough nova]

I wish I could enjoy helbore

[formal ice]

I sure love having infinite ammo on the infinite ammo class

[shell bane]

Is helbore like a proper sniper rifle? Do I have to take my time with aim or is it like any normal gun but it just clears armor?

[tough nova]

Never clicks with me

[formal ice]

It's a rifle

Laser

[tough nova]

You need to aim for heads

[calm shard]

yes this is proof that pickpocket is unprecedented infinite ammo and needs to be nerfed clearly

[shell bane]

Okay so as usual then

[calm shard]

charge up laser rifle has to click heads

https://fximgur.com/a/xdnQg7X

does an adequate amount of damage

[shell bane]

"Adequate"

That's fucking insane

I'm only playing malice rn and I keep dying to those specifically

[formal ice]

If you hit heads of course

[shell bane]

What about body shot then

Useless?

[calm shard]

nah still does pretty okay damage

[shell bane]

Also what's that stim thing do

[calm shard]

that was red stimm which is...

[formal ice]

Damage

[calm shard]

25% rending and like 30% strength?

damage

[formal ice]

Damage

[calm shard]

just googled it

25% strength 25% rending

[tough nova]

Its actually mind boggling that survivalist had a 5 second cool down added to it and pickpocket launched in its current state.

[tame lodge]

If not CRIT bad body damage
If CRIT good body damage

Tldr pick surgical

[calm shard]

your whole team doesn't get pickpocket

and frankly gun scum's actual gun damage is kinda lacking they can just justify shooting forever

which veteran can too with way better gun damage than them so...

but that's not veteran meta because of the fuckin' POWER SWORD BABY

and also VoC

[tough nova]

Right but the ammo economy concern comparable

[tame lodge]

More boolets vs better boolets

[calm shard]

yeah vet's infinite ammo guns aren't magdump guns except for recon las

which does lose the damage race to IAG scum

It's also one step removed from infinite ammo

In aurics I have to pickup like ~2 ammo tins a mission to avoid running out with it

When going out of my way to shoot everything all game

[heavy rover]

Wiith helbore I've done aurics without ever needing an ammo pickup

[calm shard]

yeah

if I die in aurics the helbore will actively be regaining ammo over the course of the mission

[steep flower]

25% rending & dmg as i recall

[turbid ibex]

kuli guide says its its power

[steep flower]

Even better

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-vergil-what-form-of-power-is-this-gif-19738012

[native hamlet]

huh i've been spamming heavies with the mk 4 one

probably cuz it's mortis trials, but it felt lack luster. being able to saw was alright though. just got enough money to try out devil claw next 😼

[tame lodge]

Mk4 does have the option to heavy spam

8 cleave is nice

[dapper bison]

top 3 range weapons?

[calm shard]

Helbore, Plasma, Infantry Autogun imo

if you count weapon marks then it's just Helbore, Helbore, and Helbore

[tame lodge]

Helbore/Plasma
Infantry Autogun
Bolter

[dapper bison]

helbore over plasma?

[calm shard]

yeah

[tame lodge]

There's nothing saying that number 1 spot can't be shared

[calm shard]

helbore is a specialist weapon that's only good whne you build for it

but BOY does it do some funny things when you build for it

[steep flower]

To me its the least appealing

[dapper bison]

i hate using the stance ability, hate the zoom in

[fair shale]

The one I like, the one I like even more, and the best one; my favorite.

[calm shard]

then die

or download a mod that removes that

[heavy rover]

I don't use stance and I still do absurd damage with it

[calm shard]

but yeah that's not really necessary for helbore

it's good with it but you can do VoC helbore

helbore requires MMF

left keystone

[dapper bison]

is there one?

[calm shard]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17

[dapper bison]

ty, thats the only reason i havent been using the ability, HATE the zoom in

[dapper bison]

also you have build for such a waepon

[calm shard]

helbore essentials

I run it like this personally

deadshot isn't necessary at all but tunnel vision gives infinite stamina for just clicking enemies in the head and it makes crusher 2 shot much more consistent

[quasi jasper]

Is deadshot useless?

[calm shard]

it's just very weapon dependent

it's good on slow RoF semi auto guns

or weapons that can get a lot of headshots very easily

so like

[quasi jasper]

Im probably wasting it on the recon lasgun then

[calm shard]

Graia Vigilant autogun

laspistol

Mk XIV recon lasgun

the helbores

Mk VII/IX infantry lasgun

[west dirge]

What melee do you pair it with?

[quasi jasper]

As I was, those are the weapons I use..

[calm shard]

dclaw sword

[west dirge]

Siick

[calm shard]

carapace weakness doesn't matter if you can just shoot armor to death

[west dirge]

Might try it out

[calm shard]

don't use Mk1 dclaw btw that one sucks

Mk 4 and Mk 7 are good

[quasi jasper]

Whats the problem with Mk1?

[tame lodge]

Yes (no)

[calm shard]

parry is directly worse and it has no strikedown attacks

[quasi jasper]

Ah

[quasi jasper]

I see. Thats how parry works. So its not like Souls games at all. Thats why Ive been hesitant to try it

[tame lodge]

Properly timed parries can't consume more than 2 stamina bars
So you can parry overheads without breaking

The ones above were recorded with the intention of breaking

[dapper bison]

If you're running deadshot, i assume you're not using surgical?

[calm shard]

no I am

takes 2 critical headshots to 2 shot a crusher normally

without comical investment into damage output

deadshot makes that far more likely to happen in a reasonable timeframe

[dapper bison]

what is vet's best horde melee that isnt power sword

[calm shard]

combat axe

[dapper bison]

after that? i dont like the axe

[calm shard]

tactical axe?

[tall torrent]

It has

[dapper bison]

T-T whyyy

[hollow ibex]

Prob heavy sword

If you don’t like axe or psword

Hsword has like no crusher damage though

[calm shard]

yeah out of all the "can't kill carapace" melees heavy sword is easily the worst

chainsword rev is fucking godawful but it's something

dclaw can parry and has a real strikedown combo so with rending it can sure work

[tame lodge]

Light

[tall torrent]

It has a heavy overhead now

[tame lodge]

After a parry?

Because I'm pretty sure both normal heavies are just sweeps that loop into each other

[tall torrent]

It’s in the guide lol

[tame lodge]

Bruh

That shit is behind more attacks than it should

Yeah I will keep using "no reliable strikedown" to describe mk1

[quick shell]

it used to be okay on zealot, before crusher hp buffs. It must be miserable now

[tame lodge]

Dawg

This is legit criminal placement

Arrest whoever put that heavy C there

[quick shell]

what weapon is this? dclaw?

[tame lodge]

Dclaw mk1

[shell bane]

Is it any good to put infernus on the helbore lasgun with surgical or should I go with armourbane?

I'm not sure how useful burn can be

[tame lodge]

Neither

You see
Unless some havoc real bullshit
A critical from Helbore is very likely to kill the target

So no fire value

And also no value from Armourbane

[shell bane]

So then what secondary blessing do I use

And why is there cleave on a gun and what does it do

[tame lodge]

Usually Weight of Fire
Or Sustained Fire

[shell bane]

Yeah weight of fire sounds nice, but why sustained fire? Isn't it expected that the target gets 1shot either way or is this like a backup?

[tame lodge]

Pretty much every weapon has cleave and it determines the amount of mass to stop it from passing through the target and hitting another

Helbore base cleave is 3
It can shoot through 2 groaners (1.25 mass each) and hit a third enemy

A poxwalker has 1.5 cleave each so Helbore can only shoot through 1

Susfire is decent against bosses

And Helbore mk5 is pretty fast charging but slightly less damage so you can skip weight of fire

Or you can keep weight of fire and turn it into infantry lasgun but good

[hollow ibex]

Heresy

[tame lodge]

And here's our in-house weight of fire mk5 user

[shell bane]

Yeah I was gonna use weight of fire, currently the fire rate is the only thing I don't like about it

[tame lodge]

Some people would also recommend Falter

But it falls into the 1 shot kill logic so no Falter value

[shell bane]

I actually reblessed falter for surgical lol

[tame lodge]

Surgical is core blessing

No Respite is a hidden forbidden choice

Under the right circumstances you get extra 140% ranged damage against an enemy

But basically needs a good team coordination

And really shines only against bosses

[calm shard]

can actually shoot through more

if you overkill an enemy by more than ~50% of their health the shot will just go straight through them anyways

regardless of health type/hitmass

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah

That

Another Helbore w

As always

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure if this is an actual thing

I’m inclined to believe it’s the game treating the latter target as first for some weird reason

Than this being an actual thing

Because there’s no code that suggests this

[tame lodge]

Spaghetti code moment

[tall torrent]

It’s ass

Helbore not actually good at stagger

[tame lodge]

Hence the under the right circumstances

[calm shard]

I KNOW

which is why I was tweaking so fucking bad seeing it being a thing

[tame lodge]

Summoning my pocket Book zealot so he can feed my No Respite stacks

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

[tall torrent]

It’s just not worth

[narrow widget]

u actually read through the darktide code 💔 😭

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
140% ranged damage
Big number brain happy

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1455103045015699617/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.29_-_01.38.59.21.mp4?ex=6967f110&is=69669f90&hm=6455dcdc0b569a6e646fc005d510f9bde1ff1bc52d5fcb0b227f5aa99b8a693f&

[tame lodge]

[calm shard]

but seriously what ELSE am I supposed to think this means???

[tame lodge]

And I want more

[tall torrent]

Yea where did u think those stagger values in the guide came from

[calm shard]

if overkill cleave isn't a thing why does this happen?

[tall torrent]

Game being weird

[tame lodge]

Summoning my yellow tag vet so he can feed my ranged damage crippling addiction

[tall torrent]

And no overkill cleave mechanic

[calm shard]

It's so WEIRD

[narrow widget]

sifting thru looking for stagger I didn't think u'd actually read the entire thing

[calm shard]

This game's code SUCKS and is BAD

(I have never coded a single thing in my life)

[narrow widget]

like surely its just stored in a data frame right

[tall torrent]

Yea ik

[tame lodge]

Just call it old because .lua

[tall torrent]

No it’s lerp

It’s all lerp

[charred halo]

is the 2% damage gonna make much of a difference

[narrow widget]

wild

[tall torrent]

For example

Double_cleave is {2, 4}

And there’re also modifiers to the parameters of the lerp sometimes

And there’s also power_level modifier

[tall torrent]

Attacks’ base power lvl is 500

Some attacks have different power level (which modify the attack template to get different damage, stagger & cleave values)

However some attacks have power level line written out

But =500

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

There’re also some attacks with really weird power lvl modifiers

[narrow widget]

who made ts game

[tall torrent]

Like

DC sword has 1 attack that has 515 power

Which is 3% extra damage, stagger and cleave

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1459272363664347248/cooking-does-he-know.gif

[tame lodge]

"Oh yeah this code is pretty organized and easy to read"
Looks further
"Oh"

[tall torrent]

Also infinite cleave is called maths.huge

I think

[calm shard]

infinite cleave do be huge

[charred halo]

best perks and blessings on plasma?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[cunning hornet]

why is the shovel shotgun the most fun build ever

[steel veldt]

Fatshark when...

[steel veldt]

Disagree, knife + double barrel WS

Or just play Arby for less mobility but a pump shotgun

[cunning hornet]

i can see the knife but im super into the shovel moveset rn

[steel veldt]

Knife better

[cunning hornet]

ofc knife better but i wanted something i havent played with

[steel veldt]

Knife mobility is so good

If only it had Shivs' dismemberment

Fatshark... please?

If shivs can dismember, why not knife?

[cunning hornet]

the movement made it hard for me to get off the knife but im glad i did

opened my eyes to the evisc and relic blade on zealot

[turbid ibex]

Dlc class privilege

[charred halo]

should i Fatmangusify my relic blade build

[native hamlet]

🥀

[tame lodge]

Sure

Everything should experience the new trend

Everyone*

[quick shell]

never dump damage.

[charred halo]

% it’s 2%

it’s not that big

[quick shell]

on a gun that already struggles with breakpoints?

just dump thermal

[tough nova]

There is definitely something about it. I think the only DBS pairing i prefer is rashad.

[cunning hornet]

rashad is dope too

DBS is just so damn sick with weapon spec

3 stack guaranteed crit with flechette and man stopper goes so hard even if it isnt meta at all

[tough nova]

I think there are builds that make that work very well.

[cunning hornet]

yeah im running a build i stole from cole that does big big dam with it

except im trading a flat tough node for field improv bc i like qol

as long as its not a gunner map i dont miss it

[tall torrent]

It’s prob fine

[tall torrent]

While this is generally true I don’t think 2% actually makes a big diff on breakpoints for plasma

[quick shell]

still feels like a needless risk

[tough nova]

Honestly the bleed really helps cover up the weakness outside of close range.

[tall torrent]

I’m not encouraging it

[cunning hornet]

it does, im just not a perfect player at all so i get the surprise gunner up my ass occasionally . i will say the DBS is shockingly good at killing distant snipers and whatnot even without the bleed

just have to be a good shot

[novel stone]

Started playing again after a little, I assume they got rid of the thing were vet gets ability energy back after killing elites

[tall torrent]

Talent got tweaked, still there

[novel stone]

Oh where is it

Or rather what changed

[tall torrent]

Instead of CD cut, it’s now CD rate bonus

[novel stone]

So kinda buff

But nr

Not as spamable

[tall torrent]

It’s worse than before

[unreal nova]

You mean, nerf.

[tall torrent]

It’s effectively the worst CD regen talent of all classes

[novel stone]

I noticed

Such a shame

[tall torrent]

It could be better but it’s not a dealbreaker for vet build atm

Ur gonna take it anyway

[tough nova]

Do you think including elites would be overkill

[tall torrent]

If it included elites the uptime needs nerf

Either uptime or the rate itself

Could be 100% for 2s (nerf from 3s)

[novel stone]

Its not been for mine

Im still doing pretty good

Still , rip shouty cadian

[tall torrent]

It’s ok stance gud now

[novel stone]

Indeed

Also been using this and love it, anything I should change?

[tall torrent]

Usable
But the weapon itself is mid

[novel stone]

Is ir still worth using over some other talents

[novel stone]

Ive been loving it and using it in Auric and damnation

[tall torrent]

In what scenario

Cuz vet is essentially just 1 build

With variations

[novel stone]

I agree

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151286250578391100/1457575579732676681/image.png?ex=6967b54a&is=696663ca&hm=bc8cfc91885a8925daa5621c16f0ca4edf1d3fe5f89dcf0469d2d3a75bc84ee3&

It’s effectively just variations of this

[novel stone]

Yeah true

Essentially what I use

I like to have fire team
Aura on though if we already have a vet

If we're already getting some ammo I like to get that extra dmg, 7.5 per person is worth especially if we have a arbite

[novel stone]

Also I vant even find thr talent i feel like a fuckin monkey

Im always pretty good at this game but whenever I talk in here I feel like an idiot

[crimson wyvern]

Read on reddit yesterday about someone that sung Hellbores praises but then said he graduated from Hellbore to Infantry Lasgun now and is comfortable with it and its now gonna be living with me rent free

🚬

[winter grove]

From krieg fanboy to a normal guardsman

Angel lost it's wings or something

[crimson wyvern]

Im not even a krieg fanboy I just love the hellbore, I'll love it even with the stigma attatched though

my sniper look

[winter grove]

You look like scab snipers that get oneshotted by ogryn rocks

[crimson wyvern]

good!

I have like every hellbore las-skin also, but ever since I realized none of them are this mark im using in the picture I got angry

[winter grove]

Do any of them have actually good sights

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1374399585073627299/rekt.gif?width=1000&height=1000

[hollow ibex]

Vostroyan sights are good imo

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-to-be-continued-goodbye-bye-later-gif-12062047

[serene bough]

What a classic

Love this vid

[umbral scaffold]

bro perished

[quasi jasper]

How to stay in coherence when the rest of the team likes to go ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM?

[tall torrent]

Zoom alongside

[quasi jasper]

But my guy get tired

I guess my question is more of how to be effective as a shooter when your cover likes to disappear

[tall torrent]

That’s usually an issue of the veteran backlining too much

[quasi jasper]

So many times I've removed all the specialists only to lower my weapon and be brutalized by something that snuck up behind me

[quasi jasper]

But the game wants me to backline?

[tall torrent]

What gave u that idea

[quasi jasper]

The stuff in the skilltree that boosts suppression

[tall torrent]

What talent tree are u using

[quasi jasper]

Haven't memorized the names yet and im unable to send a screenshot, but ita biased towards the left leg

[tall torrent]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

U can make it here and send it

[quasi jasper]

When I get home.

Actually, I'll see if this phone can handle that. Sometimes websites go funky on the older Android OS

It worketh

Please destroy my build that I may learn

[distant plaza]

from the pinned guide
for a 'sniper' build with tacaxe and helbore

[quasi jasper]

I guess the stacks of focus dont really happen that often. Its been difficult to chain more than 7 kills while in stance

So I am willing to drop the keystone buffs

[distant plaza]

weakspot hits refresh the buff
so aim for the head with your melee

[scarlet pebble]

what weapons and stuff should i aim for as a beginner 👀

[distant plaza]

whatever feels fun >.>
for builds, weapon perks, blessings, the pinned guide^tm exists

[orchid hemlock]

Wow

[quasi jasper]

??

[chrome trail]

Hello, I'm new to the game and was looking for a veteran build with shock maul. Where can I find good builds?

[orchid hemlock]

Pins

[slender elm]

Shock maul is mid

[gilded pike]

dark heresy jumpscare

[gilded pike]

recon lasgun is peak fun

[slender elm]

Just psword?

[quasi jasper]

I prefer the DAKA DAKA of the autogun

[slender elm]

Ah my sweet summer child

Autoguns have frankly terrible sights

And headshots are kinda required

Unless you run braced auto

Nvm

[tall torrent]

This needs urgent changes

[slender elm]

Oh its quite bad

No ammo aura is actually heretical

[quasi jasper]

But my suboptimal build has been fun

But I asked for help and I shall receive the help

[serene bough]

sub optimal is generous not to be rude

it needs heavy improvement

[quasi jasper]

Well sincerely, please tell me what isn't working and what is giving ya'll cause for grief

Im going to change it to what's been suggested, bt I'd also like to know where Ive gone wrong

[serene bough]

id recommend following paths guide, but general notes:

1. too much point investment on top of tree
2. survivalist de facto best aura
3. no investment in middle tree and (especially) the right tree at the bottom
4. several wasted nodes on bad talents (covering fire, opening salvo, enhanced target priority, keep their heads down)
5. not taking iron will

[mystic pilot]

the guide explain why the suggested builds pick certain stuff in the tree

[serene bough]

the build template

[mystic pilot]

and 8 points to spend. Pick one grenade. Pick one stance. thats 2 pts

[quasi jasper]

Bad talents, so the in game effect isn't as great as I think it is I take it. Some of those I took because it sounds like they are helpful, but Ill take the advice of people who have many more hours of gametime than I do.

[serene bough]

there's a few similar reasons why theyre bad, either bc the uptime is bad for minimal effect (covering fire, opening salvo), they encourage bad habits (covering fire), they disadvantage you (enhanced target priority, i.e., you dont want people stealing your kills so you can keep exe stance running), or they don't have any impact on gameplay (keep their heads down)

[junior grail]

Helbore mk5 or 3b?

Using Armourbane and Surgical blessings. Sorry mk4 feels too slow for me

[serene bough]

im not sure which weapons youre using either, but this would be true across most weapons

[past peak]

Actually the best path is all the left side and infantry lasgun oorah

[quasi jasper]

This all sounds very clear. Thank you!

[serene bough]

people prefer Mk 3 or 4

so if 4 is too slow go with 3

[mystic pilot]

3b is the middle ground, very good to get used to Helbore

because its about precise shots

Lucius · Mk IV hits the hardest for the best 1-shot kills possible.
Lucius · Mk V puts out rapid follow-up shots for reactive shooting.```

[hollow ibex]

V

Machine gun helbore

[mystic pilot]

V is closest to semi auto classic Lasgun

but its only like 12 rounds per min faster than IIIa

and stagger only scab trappers

[orchid hemlock]

I don't agree with this because I think trench is better than superiority 😈

[winter grove]

I am fan of IV hellbore

[winter grove]

Why not both

[orchid hemlock]

Point taxes

[serene bough]

I take both when I can but if I focus range more I avoid using

[elder vessel]

Shout Veteran is like the most boring veteran

use your fun gun guy shoot the gun you the ranged class

[tall torrent]

vet hasn't been the ranged class for like 2y now

[winter grove]

Ranged class

Look inside

Power Sword Mk6

[orchid hemlock]

No that's Psyker

[winter grove]

Even then psyker can dip into disgusting melee potential

As a treat

[faint beacon]

I literally can't use the damn thing without using a different sight on it

[scarlet pebble]

what are good melees 👀 just started the game

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide for stuff u might want to know

[hot wedge]

if i have 100 toughness (for example) and get 10% toughness does born leader give allies 2% of their own toughness back, or 2 flat toughness points

[static crypt]

as vet, when are you supposed to pop voice?

im currently understanding it as (whenever you're in a fight; off cooldown while in a fight)

or to relieve pressure

and ideally when you can catch all 4

[native hamlet]

where there's enemies nearby you want to stagger cuz why not, when there's a posable threat such as specials and elites and want to give your team breathing room, and/or to replenish toughness

[hollow ibex]

when you're about to get fucked

[native hamlet]

^

[static crypt]

ah. so i was close enough

good to note!

also i've been using the power falchion a lot

it's so fun

[hollow ibex]

it's fun, i like it

it needs help tho

[static crypt]

i use it to suppliment my las pistol for all chaff clear

krak for armor

[hollow ibex]

falch is pretty good against armor too

the main issues are lack of stagger against ragers

and painfully dogshit when unpowered

[static crypt]

ragers are a pretty big problem yeah

i usually find when 8 of them spawn and i can't shoot them down from range i kinda get ran over

which is what the shout is for and whatever

[hollow ibex]

yup

[static crypt]

but then there are points when all of the above aren't available then you just like

[hollow ibex]

and blitz

[static crypt]

die

if i feel bad about it i usually bring the devil's claw

parry is good for staggering ragers specifically and good for chaff clear

[narrow frost]

stagger ragers?

it destroys them

[static crypt]

same difference

also

[narrow frost]

parry em and they go flying

[static crypt]

very funny killing daemonhosts with it

[narrow frost]

yeah

[static crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/daigo-parry-evo-moment37-evo-moment37-gif-16716468

omg bruh

[narrow frost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112220920929599519/1178399937592049764/ezgif-5-a7c1f8da3c.gif

[native hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/daigo-parry-evo-moment37-evo-moment37-gif-16716468

[static crypt]

there we go