veteran-class

[quick shell]

what

u can have it up permanently

Marty boosts are so powerful at lower health, even whilst there you're almost as tanky as a different, non marty setup at full health.

[sonic kayak]

Sure, if you dodge every attack and not ever get slotted

[narrow widget]

bro forgot 100% uptime 😭

[sonic kayak]

I have no riff with Marty but that's a bit of concentration

In Auric it's ez pz though

[quick shell]

this is what TDR is for

[narrow widget]

actually its a good thing the average pub random doesnt play martyrdom knife zealot anymore

[quick shell]

i mean it's a good thing loner is fucking gone

[quick shell]

there's also Inexorable, which is no harder to keep active than weap spec

idk

crit is also pretty much entirely passive

that's just a really... bad way to describe zealot

especially given vet is ALSO highly conditional

[sonic kayak]

You still only get a good 2-3 hits depending on who you're fighting/difficulty and min maxing your hp

[quick shell]

as is basically every other class in the game

[quick shell]

you don't unless ur literally just facetanking

at which point, go down in difficulty

[hybrid plover]

it's still situational

[quick shell]

no more so than basically any other damage buff in the gmae

[hybrid plover]

you deliberately need to be low health to take advantage of martyr

[quick shell]

like if we're claiming vet is not situational

[hybrid plover]

vet is barely situational

[gentle lake]

Is revolver exec vet a good idea

[hybrid plover]

because a lot of their buffs come from simply interacting with the game

[quick shell]

And zealots... don't?

what

[hybrid plover]

You need, to be low health.

[narrow widget]

go my child and steal all the ammo

[hybrid plover]

There is no other class with that kind of condition for their damage.

[quick shell]

Really not hard to do, and inexorable?

or piety?

[narrow widget]

GOOD this makes it UNIQUE and GOOD

[gentle lake]

Not really I just did a havoc 29 with a crit build

[hybrid plover]

The point is that it's still situational.

[narrow widget]

hi yes im good game design

[gentle lake]

No martyrdom

[sonic kayak]

MMF is headshotting, Focus Target is spotting (which you should be doing), and WS is weapon swapping which is what you anyways

[hybrid plover]

Don't get me wrong, it's great but it asks of something that no other class does.

[hollow ibex]

fun but terrible ammo econ

[hybrid plover]

That's pretty damn situational.

[sonic kayak]

Still less situational than Zealot

[mint remnant]

I haven't played stealth veteran hardly at all yet. Going to grind that for a while next.

I'm not really sure I understand the stealth ult. You disappear, reposition, then as soon as you attack you suppress enemies around you and get a damage bonus for a bit?

[quick shell]

Inexorable is moving, piety is killing things, marty is taking damage. at best marty is conditional, I wouldn't really say it's situational. any good marty user will keep it up for the entire game without issue

[quick shell]

u can also throw frag nades underarm and not lose stealth. but yeah that's it, it's not very good.

[narrow widget]

chuck nades

[hybrid plover]

Yes. And you can chuck nades in stealth.

But that is like

[narrow widget]

ts peaks

[hollow ibex]

you can also use it for objs and repositioning

[hybrid plover]

The only really big benefit for Shroudfield unfortunately.

[quick shell]

fun node

[hollow ibex]

generally worse than voc tho

[quick shell]

stealth has a lot of utility in higher difficulties, but shroud actually offers huge damage spikes, and i dont really think vet cloak does?

it offers damage sure

[hybrid plover]

Well, I guess stealth itself being a benefit but that can also be an issue.

30% damage

For 5 seconds

[mint remnant]

yeah from playing VT2 I know you can use stealth to res teammates and whatnot

[narrow widget]

yea infiltrate is generally considered to be one of the worse ults???

[quick shell]

30% damage is pog, 5 seconds i snot

[narrow widget]

idt anyone is arguing against that like compared to the other shit vet has

look at exec stance and shout like

[mint remnant]

it sure seemed like it on paper but I wanted to ask

[narrow widget]

what is infiltrate even doing

yea u can throw nades and get some good damage

[quick shell]

cloaking so fatshark cant see it to buff it

[narrow widget]

you can literally do that w shout as well

or at least smth similar

[quick shell]

shout isn't as good at securing revives, but can do a similar job, and it has a LOT of other use too

[sonic kayak]

Well that's the problem, finding good Marty users

[narrow widget]

isnt as good at securing revives????

[quick shell]

no

[narrow widget]

u can literally knock everything down near u and get a free like 5 whole ass seconds

[quick shell]

you can't stagger 5 gunners across the room

[hybrid plover]

it technically isnt tbh

[quick shell]

stealth can just cloak

[narrow widget]

ok true

[hybrid plover]

ranged pressure

stealth can just ignore that

[quick shell]

there's also final toll, and there's stuff that potentially walks up after etc etc

[hollow ibex]

tbf

if there's a bunch of ragers/maulers/crushers whaling on the rez target

infil can't really do anything about that

[narrow widget]

dont even try 💔 🥀

[hollow ibex]

voc will knock them all on their ass

[quick shell]

that's what my friend the krak nade is for

[hollow ibex]

so i think they're about the same

[hollow ibex]

krak on infil 🤮

just no

[quick shell]

oh yeah

i guess u wouldn't do that huh

idk, I can't comment on infil

but playing shroud zealot

[hollow ibex]

i've done it just for funsies

max krak build

[hybrid plover]

you want cc on infiltrate

[hollow ibex]

on infil

[quick shell]

I can say I think it's far superior for revives than shout is

[mint remnant]

what ranged weapons are good with infil

[hybrid plover]

krak does not provide that

[hollow ibex]

it's not worth it at all

[hollow ibex]

doesn't matter

[narrow widget]

doesnt matter lol

vet ranged is good

[hollow ibex]

take the best weapon for your keystones

[quick shell]

infil doesn't really interact with range beyond "u do a bit more damage"

[sonic kayak]

It's pain without CC

[mint remnant]

man

seems like there should be something there

like "use stealth to run up right next to someone and use double-barrel shotgun to blow them away"

alas

[quick shell]

yeah i mean

stealth just gives you a generic 5 second damage boost

[hybrid plover]

you are free to do that though

[quick shell]

it's not like shroudfield

which is a single big hit

[mint remnant]

right

[narrow widget]

u can do that with any ability tho lol

[quick shell]

and therefore combos with weapons that hit hard like relic or thammer

[narrow widget]

can we get shade kerillian in darktide 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺

[mint remnant]

shroudfield is pretty close, no?

[quick shell]

It's as close as we're gonna get

[mint remnant]

infil is just RV but bad

and I never liked RV anyway

[narrow widget]

isnt it more like huntsman

cuz he doesnt throw an aoe of invis

[hollow ibex]

that's what i do because i take WS anyway

and DB + WS is a classic

[narrow widget]

db ws my goat

[sonic kayak]

🐐

[mint remnant]

not how I play huntsman

[sonic kayak]

Knife + DB WS with Infil is pretty fun

[mint remnant]

huntsman gets infinite ammo and with the right talent can shoot without breaking stealth

[hybrid plover]

shovel better

[sonic kayak]

I've done it with the shovel too, also fun

[lyric path]

not so bright mechs.....

@dry cloak here the mods im using

[sick dirge]

Does the shredder frag bade count towards "Long Bomb" penance

[tall torrent]

did someone ping me

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[mystic glade]

bros first h40 was a trio

[deft crystal]

ok im looking for da big brain vets

For my havoc build

[orchid hemlock]

im microscopic sry

[sonic kayak]

Yeah someone was asking about the meta loadout for h40 and he said it seemed to be oriented towards keystoneless but he deleted the message like immediately

I'm assuming he misunderstood and immediately corrected himself

[mystic pilot]

The guide lists a havoc build for veteran

[sonic kayak]

I guess he noticed considering he immediately deleted the message so

[livid sphinx]

When are we gonna get the better Kriegs cosmetic please obese dolphin

Do they ever put two of the same regiment in a row?

[stoic thorn]

When are we gonna get fucking cadians

I am so fucking sick of the kriegers

And their wonky looking gas masks

I am so fucking sick of watching krieg players use SHOVELS and NOT HAND AXES

The 40k krieg kit DOESNT EVEN HAVE SHOVELS!!!!

[dull goblet]

We got 110th Cadians already

[stoic thorn]

THATS RIGHT!!! NO SHOVELS!!!! THEY DONT EVEN USE SHOVELS IN KILL TEAM EITHER NOOO ITS EITHER BAYONETS OR HAND AXES OR A BIONIC ARM

[fair shale]

I want them to stop putting cadia stands on everything

There's a wonderful elysian mask ruined by it

[tall torrent]

I want them to make cadian cosmetics in this game actually good

[stoic thorn]

TRUE

did you know

[tall torrent]

somehow every cadian cosmetic has major issues

[stoic thorn]

CALL OF DUTY HAS A MUCH MORE FUCKING FAITHFUL RECREATION OF THE KASRKIN THAN DARKTIDE????

[tall torrent]

cadian light armor (both) have incomplete mesh render in 3rd person

[stoic thorn]

FUCKING CALL OF DUTY?!?!?!?

HOW IS FATSHARK BEING BEAT BY CALL OF DUTY

[tall torrent]

cadian heavy armor has collar clipping and arm render break in 1st person

cadian officer armor has really bad arm render break in 1st person

[dull goblet]

I think a lot of the cosmetics are pretty shitty but I slop them up anyway

Like the Zealot 110th helmet has had a bug ever since it released and they never fixed it lol

[tall torrent]

there's only ever been 1 good veteran torso cosmetic unfortunately

[fair shale]

The havoc gear looks better than anything they'll sell me

[sonic kayak]

I love me some bluesteel

[hollow ibex]

as good as the black ones look

i refuse to go through 50 games of CBT to get them

[dreamy sphinx]

oh alright

i didnt wanna play havoc anyway

[dreamy sphinx]

just play >10 havocs, its heresy difficulty with some extra shit (literally)

[sonic kayak]

I'll hold your hand

[hollow ibex]

i think i did 19 games

but 50?

fuck that

i just want to have fun

[dreamy sphinx]

again, just play low level havoc
you can knock each one out in ~20min

[hollow ibex]

yeah, like i said, i want to have fun

[oak valve]

I look at Havoc and that shite looks ridiculous.

[dreamy sphinx]

its really not

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/havoc

you get a gameplay modifier and a handful of debuffs at low havoc, high havoc is hell though

[hollow ibex]

high havoc and party finder are both CBT

i couldn't be arsed to engage with either

[dreamy sphinx]

now that ill agree on

also my sibling in religion there are literally lfg channels

[orchid hemlock]

I actually have issues with LFG

more than pubs

[hollow ibex]

thats where most of my games are from

at a certain point i just stopped caring

[orchid hemlock]

I dont care if people play dogshit builds in aurics, but it starts to become annoying when you get into the late 20s and they refuse to take criticism

[livid sphinx]

Really wish they just give us quick match for havocs

instead of that god awful lfg

[steel arrow]

anyone know the best way to do the long bomb penance

[orchid hemlock]

no god no

please

just remove havoc

[hollow ibex]

they'd have to remove the ranking system for this to work, so won't ever happen

[hollow ibex]

i'd be ok with that

[hollow ibex]

start of hab dreyko, there's a very high overlook. wait for horde to spawn, toss a nade down as far as you can.

done.

[steel arrow]

which nade?

[orchid hemlock]

had a zealot today that said he was "blasting in aurics" but he was struggling to achieve 10% of the team's damage as a hammer zelaot with chorus

with wounds, but not taking marty

[hollow ibex]

frag/shredder

[livid sphinx]

I mean rank base quick match

That would be like an upgrade from the usual quick match because at least you know you're all more or less the same level

[hollow ibex]

given the havoc player base is already very small

idk if it'd work

and people prob don't want to QP with total randos

when ranking

[orchid hemlock]

no ranked system

this is pvp esports logic

[livid sphinx]

The problem with the current one we have is everyone is getting pre-judged

[orchid hemlock]

pls dont bring that here

[livid sphinx]

What

Havoc already has a ranking system

[orchid hemlock]

anyone is allowed to participate regardless of their havoc rank

[swift river]

I mean, I think the flak jacket looks ok! Sad that it hasn't ever returned in the rotation...

[livid sphinx]

yeah but why would you want to play with someone of a lower havoc rank when playing havocs

[hollow ibex]

fanny pack ahhhh cosmetic

[orchid hemlock]

you look at their build? or see what was their highest havoc they have done

but like it shouldn't really matter

if you are good enough at the game, anyone can reach rank 25

[livid sphinx]

The good part about having a quick play for havocs is that you can't be prejudiced

which is better than the current system because everyone is looking if you have a certain title, you're using meta talents etc

or you're not gonna get invited

[stable socket]

if there's a quick play, it would be very rough unless everyone loaded into the 60-second prep lobby (and probably we had the ability to change classes in said lobby)

[oak valve]

I dig it!
Extra snack pouches.
:]

[orchid hemlock]

I dont think it's possible given the fact that their is something to loose with the ranking system

this isn't riotgames that has a full fledged banning system that punishes people with bad sportsmanship, and even then look at the issues that plague their higher ranks

just remove havoc, the entire system doesn't make sense to begin with

[livid sphinx]

If you're against havoc then just dont play it

[orchid hemlock]

add another difficulty after aurics which is equivalent to havoc 25, and use the rotating modifiers to give people variety

[orchid hemlock]

auric is too easy, I want fatshark to still let me play a harder gamemode

[livid sphinx]

Me personally i'm at that point where I find auric being too easy

but not enough to be at H40

[swift river]

Need extra pockets for all the extra ammo 😄

[orchid hemlock]

in fact I dont have a problem with havoc 40, I just dont understand why this whole ranking system is necessary

[livid sphinx]

Its to filter out who is good and who is bad

Its fine

[orchid hemlock]

no it doesn't

because anyone can join any game

[hollow ibex]

engagement numbers

[oak valve]

I think someone else said it best.
It's more of a challenge tower than anything.
And a 3-loss, 1 de-rank sounds... very forgiving.

[livid sphinx]

^

Its already forgiving and if you can't rank up, then you don't deserve to play at higher levels yet

which is how every game work anyway

[orchid hemlock]

no, because a level 1 can join a havoc 40

the ranking system is all irrelevant if you turn the nameplates off

[stable socket]

rank correlates very very roughly with skill because there are players who are good enough to duo or trio h40

[hollow ibex]

from what i've seen, it doesn't mean jack shit lol

[stable socket]

which means there are players at clearance 40 who might not be able to handle a "normal" h40 lobby but got carried

[hollow ibex]

all the true survivor h40 players i've seen in the wild are trash

[orchid hemlock]

ive seen people with true survivor who struggle with 19s 💀

[stable socket]

and if even they can get true survivor/h40 with that level of skill

it should be pretty achievable for good players

it just takes time and patience

[oak valve]

Nomad title, my beloved.

[swift river]

I don't think I could be that good of a player...

[steel arrow]

no matter how far i throw my grenade its not blowing up before it hits the ground lol

[swift river]

I consider my self decent, but I'm not that good

[stable socket]

i'm not good either but understanding what needs to be done for the team to win in havoc and having decent fundamentals is enough to climb, as long as you crutch on meta weapons/builds like i did

[oak valve]

Gameplay question, friends.
Is a no keystone vet a viable thing? I've heard from a few folk it's good, but I am now among vet mains.
I think.

[swift river]

I think it depends on what you're doing

[stable socket]

no keystone can work but iirc a lot of the good nodes on the vet tree are 1 or 2 away from the keystones so picking up a keystone ends up being most bang for your remaining skill points

e.g. almost every build is 1 or 2 away from focus target because the middle part of the tree (demo team -> tactical awareness -> 25 toughness -> bring it down) is great, and usually you want skirmisher on the right branch of the tree which is 2 away from weapon specialist

[livid sphinx]

I remember seeing some revolver build without any keystones

or infantry lasgun but since they buffed MMF, why would you not want to get a keystone

[oak valve]

Me love me Inf Lasgun.

This motherlover needs a 100 damage lasgun tonight.

[livid sphinx]

I'm still just waiting for a hellgun

Idc if they won't allow you a melee weapon with but I just want some dakka but laser

[hollow ibex]

if you throw it from the top of the starting bridge on the targets below, it should airburst

you can use ping to tell you the distance

[steel arrow]

i did it finally

now i gotta do marked for death penance but idk which gun to use for it

[hollow ibex]

which one is that?

[steel arrow]

"during a single use of volley fire, hit enemy weak spots 4 times using a weapons secondary action, without missing a shot"

[quasi jasper]

Your dude looks like Cadian border patrol with a disabled spouse and no government sanction

[oak valve]

Christ, man.

[quasi jasper]

('Twas my attempt at s funny roast)

[steel arrow]

😭

[steel arrow]

@hollow ibex

[mystic pilot]

I have been using tactical axe

[oak valve]

He just wanted to sneak you some extra ratling leftovers--

[stoic thorn]

You are BASED

You know elite ball

[mystic pilot]

When i finish my masteries combat shotgun and axes are gonna to be my mainstay on my krieg. Go go Death Korps Combat engineer!

[hollow ibex]

just hit weakspots four times in a row while exec stance is up? use whatever non-shotgun weapon that can ADS that you're comfortable with. that should be an easy one.

[oak valve]

Get a lasgun with 80 damage. Hellbore or infantry. ADS and hit specialists with headshots.

[steel arrow]

so it counts if i just have the torch on?

[hollow ibex]

secondary fire is ADS on most weapons

or brace

torch is considered special rather than secondary

[steel arrow]

hm okay thanks, ima try it out

[quasi jasper]

The torch helps me shoot because GAMES TODAY ARE TOO DAMN DARK

[mystic pilot]

Oh yeah torch on infantry lasgun has been super handy

[quasi jasper]

I will not adjust the slider until the image is barely visible, I will make sure I can see the image, thank you

[mystic pilot]

It also tell my team where I'm looking at and light them up

[hollow ibex]

facts

[quasi jasper]

Your team pays attention to you?

[calm shard]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

and i don't play lights out because it's fucking ass

[calm shard]

every single vision blocker modifier is just annoying

the only one with any identity is vent purge

because the snipers are funny

[hollow ibex]

i'm ok with vent purge

[quasi jasper]

Mine usually just runs off and forgets about me until the swarm takes me out

[calm shard]

pox gas identity is making me quit the mission immediately because it needs a global cooldown

[oak valve]

My team ignores me.
I will never ignore my team.

[quasi jasper]

I acknowledge my build is suboptimal. But somehow even Ogryns are faster than me. Im sincerely perplexed when even they are half a kilo away and I've been trying to keep up

[mystic pilot]

Only when i light up targets for them

And they kill them before I do

[oak valve]

My mouse was screwy when I used Focus Target.
So... my brain attributes to not liking it.

[livid sphinx]

lights out kills my eyes

[native hamlet]

discord functioning as ever

[oak valve]

Good Lord--

[hollow ibex]

run knife and you'll never have to worry about being too slow

[split folio]

Why do most of the recon lasgun builds have Combat Blades? Is it the best melee out of the Veteran melees?

[lyric path]

fucking hell fatshark needs to remove that plus 33% to overwatch talent

[hollow ibex]

no

it's mostly a good mobility stick

and strong single target damage

[oak valve]

Speedy shanker.

[hollow ibex]

horde clear is extremely mid

[split folio]

Oh. Any suggestions for that horde clear?

It’s my biggest weakness

[lyric path]

whats this no too?

[hollow ibex]

to the knife question

[lyric path]

ahhh ok good

[oak valve]

I want my power sword to be awesome. It's literally supposed to cut down to the atomic level.

But nooo... carapice has to fucking be the deciding factor beyond level 2--

[gaunt hinge]

chat what does this holster even hold

[thorny egret]

flare gun

[tough nova]

Power sword is maybe the best weapon in the game for carapace

[calm shard]

recon lasgun (the Mk XIV specifically) can fill horde clear for single target weapons

[calm shard]

power sword is one of if not the best anti-carapace weapon in the game though?

[split folio]

By the way, for the Recon Lasgun which mark should I use? Or which one is usually used

[unreal nova]

Is why I call them blind or blind or half blind.

[lyric path]

Does anyone else agree that the ability modifier overwatch needs to lose the +33%

[calm shard]

6c is the good one, XII is a meme bullet hose, XIV is very good with a specific left tree deadshot build

[split folio]

Oh. What’s the difference with 6c and 12?

[calm shard]

6c does better damage and has better accuracy but shoots slower and has less ammo

[unreal nova]

Blue has debuffs to mobility and reload speed.

As well.

The swap speed is also longer.

[oak valve]

Since when--?
Have I been using the worst one??

[split folio]

Is it better than the Vraks Infantry Autogun?

[calm shard]

no

[tough nova]

Forever basically. Power Cycler and Sunder.

[unreal nova]

Ammo efficiency and ease of control, yes. Otherwise, vrak do more.

[calm shard]

Mk 6 is effectively just better than the Mk 3

[split folio]

So, basically 12 > Vraks > 6c

[calm shard]

they're really not similar weapons

I wouldn't compare them

[unreal nova]

The only thing they share is that they are magdump into boss guns, lul.

[split folio]

Yeah but which one reigns supreme…

Cuz Autoguns do diddly dick against carapace

[unreal nova]

VIc is also better than XII.

[oak valve]

Dang it.
•_•

[split folio]

So which laser is better

[calm shard]

the only guns that do kill carapace are the Helbores and Bolters

so like

[tough nova]

Zarona can work too

[split folio]

Wait then what the hell have I been killing

[unreal nova]

Wasting ammo.

[split folio]

Maulers die pretty fast tho?

Same as Ragers

[calm shard]

maulers are flak

[unreal nova]

We talking crushers if cara.

[calm shard]

flak torso, carapace head

scab ragers are carapace torso (sometimes), flak head

[unreal nova]

If you are shooting then outside of malice or uprising, you shouldn't be playing higher diffs.

Unless you are doing hellbore or dumping bolter to open a path.

[calm shard]

I use exe helbore all the time and I shoot them in havocs

[unreal nova]

That's hellbore.

I'm talking recon like what he's using.

[split folio]

Ok the 6c deffo rocks

[unreal nova]

It's one thing to shoot to apply stacks of burn, but actual magdump is baby or easy difficulty only thing.

[split folio]

Wait so I wasted all my resources getting this thing to 500? And perfect stats + blessings?

[unreal nova]

Oh, is a good weapon. Just don't shoot crushers.

[split folio]

Oh

[thorny egret]

you didn't waste anything you're just using it wrong

recon las is good horde clear so you can take kraks or an anti-carapace melee

[livid sphinx]

Some weapons aren't just made to be good at everything

[split folio]

Oh

So Power Sword for melee then

[unreal nova]

Hey, even the dueling sword is meh on hordes.

[livid sphinx]

they're fine because every hit staggers them

[quasi jasper]

Just shoot the head always

[livid sphinx]

just dont expect hordes to die quickl;y

[quasi jasper]

This ain't real life, we dont care for center mass

[split folio]

Is the chainsword a carapace thing or a horde thing

[quasi jasper]

This ain't Ready Set Go where we must factor in the height over bore

[split folio]

Also the power falchion

[livid sphinx]

I love tickling goats too

[calm shard]

exclusively horde

[unreal nova]

Is meh. You want to clean up fast or risk pile ups.

[calm shard]

it's one of the "can't kill crushers for shit" melees

[split folio]

What about the Power falchion

[calm shard]

it's mid

at hordes and carapace

it's like equally okay at both

[unreal nova]

Only hordes. Throw in anything else and you will cry.

[calm shard]

has god awful stagger though

[calm shard]

not anything else chord still kills maulers and below in reasonable time

just crushers

[unreal nova]

You will go old and die before it dies.

[split folio]

So basically:

• Power Sword for carapace
• Chainsword for horde
• Power Falchion is the middle child

[calm shard]

krak grenade

power falchion isn't middle child so much as it is below average at everything child

[unreal nova]

Naw, scab ragers are a nightmare.

[calm shard]

power sdword is better at horde and armor than it

[calm shard]

have you tried hitting them in their flak head which 2 shots them

or you use Mk IV which is a mistake

XIIIg has good single target heavies

[unreal nova]

Try doing that when there's an actual pack on you.

At 300 ping.

So Goddess knows what and if you are hitting.

Maybe all up to Tzeentch.

[quasi jasper]

I love when the pack of 4 Ragers rushes past the actual melee builds towards me

[thorny egret]

power falchion is mid, I wouldn't recommend it

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/Fq2JWfv

[unreal nova]

4? Pretty sure they are 5 in malice and more in higher.

[calm shard]

man wouldn't it be crazy if I've tested this exact thing before?

[quasi jasper]

So i turn to engage with my autogun only to be smacked harder and faster than your mom when you've gone to bed

[quasi jasper]

5 then

[unreal nova]

300+ ping.

[calm shard]

your dollar store wi-fi is not my problem

[quasi jasper]

Whoa whoa whoa. How the heck you get them to move at you in meat grinder??

[thorny egret]

mod probably

[oak valve]

Mod.

[quasi jasper]

Lame

Should be built in..

How am I supposed to practice without getting my team killed?

[unreal nova]

Also, meat grinder is 0 ping anyway, already different from playing on a server.

And you also forget, it's not just ragers but mixed bs on top of it.

[calm shard]

would the mixed bs not make it harder

[unreal nova]

Could be harder.

[calm shard]

with scab ragers? no

[unreal nova]

Throw in 5 bulwarks being an ass and GL hitting the karks.

[calm shard]

scab ragers aren't a threatening or inconsistent enemy type on their own

even with 40 of the thing

[calm shard]

no I'm saying because the clip you very clearly did not watch has mixed enemies

[tough nova]

Nesting doll Bulwarks are the true endgame

[thorny egret]

getting flanked by ragers in mixed hordes is fucking nightmarish

[quasi jasper]

Also when you get stuck on terrain

[thorny egret]

and then the flamer shows up

[quasi jasper]

The train level is wonderful for that

[tough nova]

Anyone remember when bulwarks blocked EVERYTHING in front kf them?

[thorny egret]

yup I remember

Ragers scare me more than maulers. I think they're my least-favorite elite after Gunners

[oak valve]

Love it when there's an unsee-able sniper all the way at the beginning of Rolling Steel when you're carrying those stupid energy cells.

[quasi jasper]

I actually dont recall that. I feel like I could always shoot at their arms and legs

[hollow ibex]

bruh what the fuck is it with HIV desperado players and taking a bunch of ammo.

[unreal nova]

Because I just assume it's that one vid where there's 1 of everything which is unrealistic in gameplay. Also missing 2 trappers coming from weird directions.

[calm shard]

it's not one of everything it's 2 bulwarks like 8 or something maulers the scab ragers, and bukcetheads

if it was a real match there would be more bulwarks, less ragers/maulers, and no bucketheads

[unreal nova]

Yes, FS did something. 2 trappers is minimum now.

[calm shard]

because maulers/scab ragers don'ty spawn on dreg missions

[hollow ibex]

i like how this didn't register as a headshot

so cool game.

[unreal nova]

This is what I mean, ANY lag is a factor in a real game.

[unreal nova]

It's worse higher the lag is.

[hollow ibex]

should've checked my ping

game felt pretty off

[unreal nova]

Could be bad server as well.

US and EU has multiple server locations.

[hollow ibex]

i switched to a MMF build

because WS was feeling bad

due to failed weapon swaps

and now i can't get headshots because server says no

ok

[tough nova]

It was over a year ago at this point I believe. The size of the block area was way larger than the shield and they opened themselves up less.

[hollow ibex]

guess MMF and WS are both too good, so fatshart is making FT the only functioning keystone

[unreal nova]

Actually, if it rolled scabs, 5-6 scab ragers, 2-5 maulers, 3-5 bulwarks, 2-6 plasmas is pretty normal on damns nowadays.

[calm shard]

ah overcompensated on ragers/maulers and not enough bulwarks

[unreal nova]

Also gunners, shotgunners and reapers.

[quasi jasper]

Realistically I rely on the shredder grenade and the melee teammates to handle bulwarks. I decimate their heads if that proves faster in the moment, or if im behind them -- i.e. dumdum rounds

[calm shard]

I

am not going out of my way to test melee only with the chainsword to kill ranged enemies

I only use chainsword as a sidearm for gun builds that just shoot armor anyways

makes up for its downsides so I can just get value out of what it's good at

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but they do affect your positioning and ability to move if they get to free pelt you.

Also no 2-3 scab bombers making life hell.

[calm shard]

yeah but in a real match I would just shoot them

and also most of the armor horde too probably

[unreal nova]

From behind cover.

[quasi jasper]

Thats the neat part! There is no cover

[unreal nova]

The idea is, it's bleah in a real mixed horde situation with too many armoured bs. It's just gonna do nothing or latch on a bad thing.

[unreal nova]

Bombers can nuke you from spawn spots you can't shoot at times.

[quasi jasper]

Oh no, I meant for me and you

We rarely get to have cover, and if we do find it its not for long

[unreal nova]

Or you have to risk diving to pop them.

[split folio]

What’s the dump stat on the power sword

[unreal nova]

Cleave targets.

[split folio]

SCHEISSE

what about the blessings and perks?

[unreal nova]

True, but I meant more for the enemies.

[quasi jasper]

Ah

[unreal nova]

You want the one for +2 hits on charged and sunder or something else.

[tall torrent]

Wait till u find out that the game doesn’t fully renders the clothing on ur arms (holes in them)

[unreal nova]

Forgot names.

[quasi jasper]

When we are spamming melee swings, does it render the animations for everyone except the player?

It seems like the player gets the little slash lines only, which would make sense to conserve resources

[unreal nova]

Power Cycler and sunder (havoc) or bromemtum(auric and below.).

[split folio]

Ty

[unreal nova]

I think you can just use Path's guide for it imo.

Cos the game really seems to like the. 1-3 good blessings, some meh ones and too many just why is this here ones.

[quasi jasper]

I want to believe they each serve a purpose

I want to believe.. but its hard to

[unreal nova]

Good luck with ranged kills on needler.

On that... 36~ damage.

[quasi jasper]

Yeah, wuts up with that one..

[unreal nova]

Fatshark.

[silver patrol]

too lazy to make new blessings that actually interact with the weapon

here is a bunch of blessings that do virtually nothing but already exists so less effort

[unreal nova]

There are still better ones if we open access to ALL avaliable ones.

[silver patrol]

why yes, here is +50% cleave on weakspot hit on the weapon that can cleave a poxwalker at best

[quasi jasper]

But then we could get blessings for things that make even less sense

[Sarcasm] I would love to have a strength increase with every 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round fired from my helbore

[unreal nova]

I hope you like rapid fire no charge shots.

[quasi jasper]

Actually that's why I've gone with the autogun.

[unreal nova]

And then taking a holiday to reset it.

[quasi jasper]

I wanted speed with some emphasis

[unreal nova]

Because you do need to stop shooting for like a sec to reset it.

[quasi jasper]

Right

[unreal nova]

It's kinda stupid.

They could have just made it every other shot or every 3 shots but nope.

[quasi jasper]

Forces a burst fire

[unreal nova]

Only the those 3 specific shots are buffed, no more.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, the reset timer is also jank on high ping.

[quasi jasper]

Which for what I want works just fine.

[unreal nova]

At that point you gotta pray Tzeentch is on your side that day.

[quasi jasper]

I haven't had the displeasure of noticing that yet

[unreal nova]

Oh, when it happens... you'll be like someone fighting against Creed's hidden Baneblades.

[quasi jasper]

Omnissiah help me..

[silver patrol]

i hate all the salvo blessings

in every weapon

[quasi jasper]

What would you prefer?

[silver patrol]

deathspitter kind of blessings

[quasi jasper]

I want to experiment with both see which suits me better.

[swift river]

You mean the pits? That's like...on all the Veteran's cosmetics 😄

[unreal nova]

But killing is sketch on lag though. XD

[silver patrol]

simply don't have lag

[unreal nova]

Only 1 is okay. And that's the rogue trader one.

[quasi jasper]

The way I play currently is to use executioner stance as much as possible to chain the stacks. And outside of that shoot weakspots in bursts. Im trying to maximize dps

[silver patrol]

on what weapon

[tall torrent]

no, if u go into 3rd person (or have someone inspect ur character in 3rd person), the clothing that covers ur arms have their mesh degraded and have holes in them

it's pretty cringe

[silver patrol]

i hate salvo blessings because they make you play in a dumb manner

[quasi jasper]

Infantry autogun

[tall torrent]

this has been reported and never fixed

[silver patrol]

infantry autogun is the perfect example

bursts are a meme

[quasi jasper]

Im more than open to corrections/suggestions

[unreal nova]

Is it loading low LoD models?

[swift river]

Yea, I've never seen that before

[tall torrent]

LoD helps but it's like

LOD = 2 means past 2m the issue shows

lol

even max LOD doesn't "fix it"

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[tall torrent]

just the base mesh needs to be fixed

[silver patrol]

Infantry autoguns has great blessings in DumDum, Fire Frenzy, Deathspitter, Speedload

[unreal nova]

Is that how LoD works in this game.

[swift river]

Huh, never seen it myself so

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-gif-18174494

[silver patrol]

tho maybe i'm just too hivescum pilled

[unreal nova]

To be fair, most ppl don't purposely stand still.

[swift river]

The only big issue I've seen with cosmetics was on the Krieg coat when it first released

And the little pack on the chest was like...flat

Two dimensional

[quasi jasper]

I really like DumDum. Its just hard to flank the enemy on a consistent basis

[tall torrent]

LOD affects the distance at which objects are rendered well

[unreal nova]

The commissar set feels like that.

[silver patrol]

DumDum doesn't really deal with flanking

[unreal nova]

As in the 1-5 thing.

[quasi jasper]

Isn't that the one where you get damage boost for shooting them in the back?

[silver patrol]

that's Raking fire

[quasi jasper]

Oh. Ive mixed them up

[unreal nova]

I thought it was more than just m.

[silver patrol]

DumDum is +6% damage on close range hit, up to 30%

[unreal nova]

If they are close enough even flanking, is fine.

[tall torrent]

yes

2 = 20m shadow render

assuming u have lighting quality set to medium or higher

[quasi jasper]

Ah. Right. I haven't been sure about that one. I think it would be helpful for if I can shoot some close ones and then some far ones, but usually I pull out my sword to make space for me to shoot something far away

[unreal nova]

Oh, so this is why 5 murdered my PC.

[silver patrol]

if you shoot in bursts i would just use a vigilant autogun tbh

[quasi jasper]

Ill have to try that.

I originally wanted to do the helbore but it just felt too slow especially when I needed to be mobile because of the constant swarms.

[silver patrol]

i would consider the revolver or the plasma gun

[quasi jasper]

But I also want to try melee vet. Seems like I could benefit from experiencing different playstyles

[unreal nova]

Currently off. The current patch tanks my PC hard enough I barely have 60 fps on below low.

[silver patrol]

or the bolt pistol

or try taking the draw speed talent

[unreal nova]

Melee vet is usually pistol sidearm.

[quasi jasper]

Those all felt really slow too. The bolster is great for single target, and plasma helps do horde clearing. But Im not fast enough for single target unless its a boss, and again I rely on the melee for horde

[silver patrol]

plasma doesn't really do horde clearing

[quasi jasper]

Oh?

[silver patrol]

it's a straight shot

[quasi jasper]

I thought that's one of its strengths. Shoot at ground and splash?

[silver patrol]

you can shoot it into the horde if you really have to, it does cleave a ton, but it's a waste of ammo

uh no

[unreal nova]

It can, but only on maps with tunnels.

[silver patrol]

you see an enemy and you shoot it

[swift river]

Hey what blessings do ya'll use on the Inf Lasgun. I've been using Headhunter and Ghost, but... I dunno if that's the best combo

[silver patrol]

it's really geared for being anti-specialists

[unreal nova]

It just slices through any not cara stuff on the way.

[quasi jasper]

Huhm. Currently im yhe one getting rid of the specialists anyway

So you're saying the plasma gun or the bolter will give me better damage output in general than dumping ballistics ?

[tall torrent]

they're lower ammo econ guns that have better TTK vs things that need to die fast

[quasi jasper]

Interesting...

[silver patrol]

plasma gun, revolver, bolter (has slow draw speed), Bolt Pistol

shotguns even

[quasi jasper]

Oh, bolt pistol != bolter.
I have been looking at the shotgun..

[silver patrol]

bolt pistol is the less damaging and less clunky little brother of the bolter

[unreal nova]

Less clunky depends.

[tall torrent]

boltpistol is what happens when u take a good weapon and castrate it

[unreal nova]

If you know the ADS shuffle every shot, is fine...

[silver patrol]

happens with the bolter too tho

[unreal nova]

Otherwise... pointblank or 0 accuracy past first shot.

[quasi jasper]

Acknowledging that this game allows for people to do what they want with what we've been given, so there is no one "right way" to play; what do you all recommend as a playstyle for the weapon I've been running then?

[swift river]

It's just a step to the right...

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but one is magdump in midrange, the other is more a specialist killer.

[silver patrol]

Which weapons are you running

[quasi jasper]

Infantry autogun.

Or recon lasgun

[unreal nova]

Look, we can all agree it needs like +5 damage. I hate trappers running away with 4 hp left after bleeding.

[unreal nova]

They work for melee ws as well btw.

As long you run VIc.

[silver patrol]

VoC?

[unreal nova]

Not efficient like semiauto or single shots.

But if you lean more towards the melee end, can work.

[tall torrent]

I think it needs recoil fix

[unreal nova]

They said they tried and it didn't work, remember?

[silver patrol]

Recon lasgun can certainly be spammed more

I would just use them to take out specalists and elites and use melee otherwise

[quasi jasper]

Thats essentially what Ive been doing.

Ive become pretty good at shooting enemies in the face after 70 hours of veteran..

[tall torrent]

they said they decided to do a bandaid fix with the actual recoil fix delayed till a later date

[unreal nova]

I dunno, stabbing faces funnier.

[unreal nova]

So delayed for 2 years?

[quasi jasper]

But they're diseased and gross and ugly

[unreal nova]

Why do you think extra stabbable?

[quasi jasper]

Agreed

[unreal nova]

If you crit, no head left.

See.

[tall torrent]

[unreal nova]

I wonder if they lied about the fix and hoped ppl forget.

[gilded pike]

that's kinda hilarious

[unreal nova]

It's FS. I swear if the fix turns it into always firing straight, will just laugh.

[tall torrent]

Prob got pushed to lower priority

[unreal nova]

I guess. Kinda sucks when said gun is the epitome of mediocre at best if not used as a statstick.

[ember sand]

sticky surprise

[sharp epoch]

more explode

[unreal nova]

Beeg boomies, yes.

[proud bluff]

Bolt pistol is good tho😭

Ah shit i thought this was general lol. Bolt pistol is good but i feel like it’s best on arbites

[calm shard]

no bolt pistol is so fucking annoying to use

it is just that tiny bit short on damage into every single enemy you want it to kill no matter what

meaning you have to shoot them again and it makes me do a double take every goddamn time

that I shoot a flamer and they don't die on a headshot

or a gunner

or when I have to shoot a reaper a third time because I didn't expect this god fucking awful miserable excuse of a gun to just barely not kill them in 2 shots

Like just about every other gun in the game would have

[proud bluff]

It’s why i added my followup message. On arbites it’s good because you have so mmay damage buffs it can reliably start one tapping most things

[quick shell]

It really isn’t

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-meme-aew-mjf-mjf-meme-mid-gif-11983703810991326806

Mfw bistol

[pseudo fiber]

The dev who was tasked to fix it

[lyric path]

Not very successfully might I add

[steep flower]

Its good on all classes equaly

[steep flower]

Meanwhile humble vet on the side

[tall torrent]

Vet hits better breakpoints than arb

[proud bluff]

Yeah but i haven’t used the gun on vet so I mentioned arb cause i know it cam be good on arb

[tall torrent]

It’s ok on arb

[proud bluff]

It’s good on arb

[quick shell]

bistol is a potentially good gun that is just so mid by itself

it kinda makes it mid everywhere else

[tall torrent]

It’s just ok

It doesn’t do anything exceptionally well

And it doesn’t address arb’s biggest weaknesses

[quick shell]

falling asleep mid match?

[proud bluff]

I guess just agree to disagree

[proud bluff]

True

[quick shell]

bath is kinda just right here tho

[tall torrent]

It’s just a basic serviceable special sniping gun

And as a special sniping gun it’s pretty mid

[quick shell]

If bpistol had slightly more damage

and it really doesn't need to be much

it'd be pretty good

Pretty fast, pretty reliable, very good all round

as it is, it misses that breakpoint and suffers immensely

[proud bluff]

Arb can easily get it to one shot most things you would want one shot. It’s good on arb. I’m not saying it’s meta or anything

[quick shell]

right but you can also just use a combat shotgun or something and do the same job with way less effort and better

[proud bluff]

Ok but i’m not saying there aren’t better options

I am just saying it is good

[quick shell]

right but that's what's being said, it's not good, it's passable

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t hit havoc 1 taps afaik

[quick shell]

it wont

there's 0 way it does

it struggles on auric lol

[tall torrent]

Only class that can hit havoc 1 taps well now is vet

And even for vet it’s just mid

[quick shell]

kinda hard for it to be anything other than mid when the hellbore is right there

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s competing in the same space as helbore

[quick shell]

eh, I guess

[proud bluff]

This may be the first time i have ever heard the two compared lol

[quick shell]

there's stil the revolver and stuff too

[tall torrent]

the direct competitors against boltpistol pretty much all hit better breakpoints than it does (all of them can be pushed to 1 atk kill priority enemies in havoc)

the only thing boltpistol does better is AOE stagger which doesn't even stagger elites well

[serene bough]

I do like the feel of the weapon

[quick shell]

it feels great

they got the bolt weapons down pat

[serene bough]

But missing various breakpoints like that is truly the worst

[quick shell]

but

yeah

nothing worse than shooting something with ur 8 round pistol

and seeing it sitting there on 2 hp

[tall torrent]

feels awful

recoil is ass

reload is just a bit slower than where it should be

breakpoints are ass

[quick shell]

yeah the recoil doesn't feel good, but the shooting itself is satisfying

[tall torrent]

iron sights are ass

top 3 worst iron sights in this game

[serene bough]

Its what I would expect from a pocket rocket

Shooting 40k weapons in first person makes me wonder how people in lore who uses a bolt pistol doesn't snap their wrist firing

(Pls dont come at me I know its 40k)

[azure narwhal]

there are different grades of standard issued more powerful/exotic weapons like bolt pistols, a commissar using a marine's bolt pistol would be both comical and deadly, in the literal sense

the same logic applies to astra militarum power fists

marine power fist would just implode you

[quick shell]

I mean I would imagine it's somewhat similar to a desert eagle or other high calibre sidearm, but im pretty sure ur meant to 2 hand those

Gaunt runs around with a bistol and psword

[azure narwhal]

but yes

games take

HUGE

liberties

we literally have

shakespeare level ogryns

[quick shell]

yeah

[proud bluff]

Don’t we have a brain chip installed

[lost shadow]

I completed everything on release, heard there's many changes since then
anything I should know?
is plasma canon and powesword still meta for veteran?

[quick shell]

Nork Dedog was a genius by ogryn standards.

He could spell his own name.

not his surname.

[azure narwhal]

i believe one of the ogryns has a bone'ead implant yes, but it is malfunctioning

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide
and yes they're still very strong for vet

[azure narwhal]

and yet

he is a goddamn genius

btw even with proper bonehead chips ogryns are comically stupid by comparison

[tall torrent]

only the dumbest one (brawler) does and it's malfunctioning

[quick shell]

all of them do

[azure narwhal]

all? not sure about all

[tall torrent]

nah only 1 does

[azure narwhal]

then again i do not play ogryn, this is literally what i hear in matches

[quick shell]

really?

[tall torrent]

the rest talk abt wanting to get implants

[quick shell]

ur telling me that the new ogryn personality

[native hamlet]

yup

[quick shell]

isn't a bonehead?

[tall torrent]

no evidence suggests he is

[serene bough]

Yeah they don't have Bonehead besides brawler

[azure narwhal]

you're playing the same game where you can run up to a beast of nurgle and take nothing but a bit of corruption damage

i do not think they care

[tall torrent]

and frankly he doesn't even have imperial guard experience so

[quick shell]

why do we have the smartest ogryn in ogrynkind history in what equates to a penial batallion

[azure narwhal]

[tall torrent]

very unlikely he got bonehead

[serene bough]

What is the lore for the new ogryn anyways is he a ganger

[quick shell]

yeah

[native hamlet]

yup

[quick shell]

he was muscle for a gang

[serene bough]

Thet explains why he keeps saying doornailed

[tall torrent]

he's a ganger who tried to belittle everybody for no reason

u can't even blame him being mean/aggressive on ptsd or what not

cuz first of all he's an ogryn I'm not sure ptsd even applies

[serene bough]

He is meaner than bully this is true

[tall torrent]

bully is at least funny

the new ogryn just isn't

[serene bough]

I havent heard the new ogryn much

I heard in-game (i think) he was cussing out professional vet

But thats about it

[native hamlet]

i wonder if heavy ogryn would fit my oggy's name

homeboy's called, "low-tier-god"

[lost shadow]

the first one doesnt seem to have a plasma build

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails?id=3367063781

[native hamlet]

there's a plasma gun and power sword build in the havoc tab

[lost shadow]

thx

[quick shell]

LOL

[tall torrent]

maybe he'll sound better with some voice modulators

like cutthroat does

[native hamlet]

it's hilarious cuz i usually run tanky shield build with the bodyguard personality so i end up being a hero

only to get reminded at the end screen "you should pad your stats now!"

[lost shadow]

this still good or should I change anything?

[tall torrent]

definitely need changes

[lost shadow]

ah fug everything is locked

I shoulnjd't had chosen to restart story

[tall torrent]

u can visit the surgeon and get a personality scourge for 50k dockets to get that choice again

[lost shadow]

thx is 50k a lot?

[tall torrent]

it's like 1 auric game's worth of dockets

[native hamlet]

do u have to complete the campaign first in order to do that?

or can u bail from the get go?

[tall torrent]

if ur on a fresh start acc and never did campaign, don't think u can skip like that

[lost shadow]

and these options doesnt really matter do they?

[turbid ibex]

Nope

Cadia lets you pick cutthroat vet and purple eyes but thats about it

[lost shadow]

is that a voice? ctthroat vet?

[turbid ibex]

Yes

Its the veteran that doesnt shut up about cadia

[tall torrent]

u can shut him up abt cadia easily

just keep tagging enemies

[tulip owl]

Usually i use the knife, but im thinking of trying the chainaxe. Does someone use this one?

[lost shadow]

so these stats are not random anymore but depend on the mastery level which is increased destroying other guns, most efficiently same kind of gun, correct?

[tall torrent]

number on left = current
number on right = max potential

max potential is what matters most

and it's still RNG

[lost shadow]

and how I rerrol it?

[tall torrent]

and plasma has a very specific perfect stat distribution

[tall torrent]

u can't

u can only roll weapons

[turbid ibex]

Get another weapon

[lost shadow]

and I know the stats when I receive the gun or I must ugprade it to yellow first?

yeah doesnt seem to change

[turbid ibex]

Upgrading rarity just gives additional perk/blessing slots

[lost shadow]

ok so I need to roll any plasgun with

80% everything else
69% Thermal Resist
71% Charge Rate

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[lost shadow]

max ones

then I guess empower fills those bars

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[lost shadow]

and how are perks and blessings unlocked and upgraded?

[turbid ibex]

The stats on the right are pretty much the only thing that matter when rolling new weapons

[charred halo]

which duelling sword is the good one

[turbid ibex]

None

[hollow ibex]

mastery leveling

[turbid ibex]

I think its the mk4?

[hollow ibex]

yeah prob

[lost shadow]

nice, thanks

and I can get guns randomly from mission rewards or buy them on some npc I forgot right?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

brunts

[lost shadow]

so I don't need to store guns anymore right? even if they have good perks/blessing, they are only usefull to level up mastery or to be upgraded and used if they have good stats

[hollow ibex]

yup exactly

[lost shadow]

thank you very much

[hollow ibex]

that system was so trash lol

glad it's gone

[lost shadow]

this window needs a "plasma gun" filter

also seems this recomended sword from the guide didn't existed when I played "Power Sword
Achlys · Mk VI"

[hollow ibex]

it's been in the game for a very long time

[lost shadow]

not on release?

[hollow ibex]

oh idk about that far back

it's just been in the game for years

idk what the mark was back during release

[tall torrent]

No it was added in 2023

[lost shadow]

have been new maps or objectives?

I stopped playing because there were very few

[tall torrent]

We have 20+ long maps now

3 short maps
3 arena maps

[lost shadow]

sweet, thanks

what's the difference between rolling guns on brunts or on "mystery adquistions"

higher chance to have higher numbers?

oh wait can't even chose the weapon type

[tall torrent]

Melk’s mystery rolls are “any item”

[lost shadow]

on the mystery ones

yeah thanks

[tall torrent]

Only roll curios at melk

[lost shadow]

thx

[tall torrent]

That’s basically his only purpose

[lost shadow]

well maybe if I see a proper rolls gun on the selection I'll get it too

[tall torrent]

If ur low on resources, get plasma with 60% thermal resist

It’s not as good but still fine

[lost shadow]

is current so bad?

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s prob gonna miss breakpoints

[lost shadow]

stopping power is for "knock back animation" right?

for triggering it

guide says

80% everything else
69% Thermal Resist
71% Charge Rate

but I tought charge rate is important to be 80 because... you're charging all the time

[quick shell]

69 thermal is the breakpoint for 8 shots uncharged

if u cant get that, just dump thermal

[tall torrent]

Armor damage modifier

[tall torrent]

Charge rate affects hipfire (left click) prefire delay

[lost shadow]

didn't plasma used to shoot trough walls?

[mystic pilot]

They toned down the penetration

Still infinite cleave through horde

[tall torrent]

not infinite

[mystic pilot]

How would you characterize it?

[quick shell]

very high cleave through hordes

but it isn't infinite

infinite implies it has infinite cleave, like flamer or inferno

[tall torrent]

it's in the guide

[tall torrent]

this is a common mistake: neither have infinite cleave

[lost shadow]

any point going higher or there's no way to get more than 8?

[tall torrent]

u'd need specific blessings to go above 8

[lost shadow]

probably not worth then thanks

anyay once I reach like 80something I cooldown between shots

[tame lodge]

Optimized Cooling

About 11 shots

Pair it with Blaze Away

And suddenly you have too much power not enough ammo in your hands

[lost shadow]

plasma gun doesnt go kaboom anymore?

[tame lodge]

It only explodes on charged shots past critical heat

Around 97%

[lost shadow]

arent all shots charged shotsÇ?

[turbid ibex]

By charged i think it means the secondary

Which you never use

[neat falcon]

when did this change? most recent update/patch?

[tame lodge]

Technically yes but I mean the secondary action

[neat falcon]

uh oh, i bought that one 😢

[lost shadow]

that's just for raising temperature without shooting right?

to reach the high temp treeshold where shots do more damage

[turbid ibex]

Higher temperature shots dont do more damage without specific blessings

At least iirc

[hollow ibex]

Charged shots do hit harder but it’s not worth it

[lost shadow]

and there's any point to cooldown button?

I can just click and it cooldowns too when it's high temp

this should give achlys? I'm only getting scandar

[tame lodge]

You can change marks in your inventory

Top right corner

[lost shadow]

oh nice, thanks

and there's nofilter by gun type? I'm scrolling so much finding the weapon type I want

oh can sort by name

ah grey weapons cannot be sacrificed?

[distant plaza]

no, upgrade them once for maximum sacrificial efficiency

only costs plasteel and dockets, no precious diamantine

[lost shadow]

thx

not sure how to get blessings

I'm aalready mastery 8

[fair shale]

Open up masteries(?) In your character tab and you can spend points there

[lost shadow]

thanks

there's no 80% gunner resistance right? only 20

[hollow ibex]

I think this is just worded a bit confusingly

Yeah it’s 20

[lost shadow]

oh I need to spend blessing points on useless blessings to unlock highjer lvl blessings right?

[mystic pilot]

in mastery yes

thats why they have ranks you have to spend on

each level improve their bonuses

once you level them up the level of the blessing you can add is unlocked

[lost shadow]

thanks

you guys helping a lot with my come back to the game

[dry cloak]

Thats why we are here

[tall torrent]

20% is x80%

this is just worded as how the game calculates DR

[trim badger]

What kind of crazy person goes gunner + hp + toughness

😭

[tall torrent]

it's good tho

[dry cloak]

That would be path

Or kuli

[trim badger]

No revive speed... No stamina regen...

Heresy

[tall torrent]

I made the build sections

[tall torrent]

read it first

I didn't put this on all 3 curios

[trim badger]

No I'll remain ignorant

[dry cloak]

I know

[tall torrent]

then u kinda don't get to judge

[lost shadow]

good enough?

ran out of ordos

[trim badger]

I will judge

[tall torrent]

I will ignore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[mystic pilot]

When I eventually roll for plasm agun I'll shoot for 70%/70% therm/charge if I cant get the perfect one

[lost shadow]

that's the closest I got

spent 300k moneys

[mystic pilot]

I dont have every weapon with perfect stat. but most of them that I do I got from showing up in store or rarely from mission rewards

I have to yet "roll"

[jolly sparrow]

Lmfao Bloons meme

[lost shadow]

I could go lower charge rate

or ammo

which one is best?

[quick shell]

dump thermal

[quick shell]

if ur not going for 'the roll'

that doesn't get u extra shots

and just wastes charge spd

[lost shadow]

one would think plasma needs flack and carapace for being a boss killer

[quick shell]

no

[lost shadow]

but guide reccomends the oposite

[quick shell]

flak and unarmoured

[quick shell]

it's not a boss killer that's why

[lost shadow]

why? bosses are flak and unarmoured?

I dont understand doesn't everything die in one shot?