veteran-class

[unreal nova]

I have been running it since then. Just annoyed at ppl claiming it good now when I have been memeing for ages.

[real loom]

What build

[fair shale]

Fatmangus

[real loom]

Is there build in website

[fair shale]

No clue tbh

[narrow frost]

I think only I have a gameslantern build for fatmangus

but mine I edited to fit me more

[void dragon]

I can't get how that can be seen as other than meme to tank bursters, you are still losing health and with less toughness it would be faster, right?

Can't really imagine people saying this is good (I still have some faith in humanity, fool of me I know)

[narrow frost]

its a meme but is the tankiest build zealot has

[fair shale]

Idk

Is it a meme if it let's you clutch better?

[serene bough]

What is the fatmangus build

I dont play zealot

[narrow frost]

Health stacking zealot with 4 wounds with restoring faith and bleed for the emp

[serene bough]

I see I see

Why is this a meme

Or at least debated as one

[narrow frost]

health stacking is pretty bad outside of those 2 talents

actually 3 talents

Shield of Contempt too

[void dragon]

Why is the need of 4 wounds? Is to trigger bleed for the Emperor?

[narrow frost]

yes

[tall torrent]

max hp stacking gets zealot 356 health (auric) or 286 health (havoc max)

[narrow frost]

I mean, its the 1st build that I was able to get to end event in a H40 solo on zealot

took 2 hours but I got there

[serene bough]

Mmm

I should probably play zealot from time to time to understand better lol

Only two classes ive been playing past 2 years are vet and recently hive scum

[void dragon]

As a Gean-nei-us ogryn, the no stacking of toughness confuses me

Feels heretic

[quick shell]

I mean toughness is pretty standard normally

I don't think it's a meme build though

it has enough damage to be effective still

[serene bough]

Back when fire instantly removed toughness i could understand it

But nowadays I prioritize toughness over hp

[tame lodge]

It's about health
It's about power
We stay hungry
We devour
Putting in the work
Putting in the hours
We tank what's ours
(Fatmangus)

[tame lodge]

Heh zealot sized ogryn heh

[void dragon]

The self flagellating zealot chanting

[tough nova]

Good luck finding those curios

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/flagellant-darkest-dungeon-damian-gif-15435627329914973465

[void dragon]

Just as fat, but as hungry?

[tough nova]

2k+ hours still don't have 3 stam on all toons

[quick shell]

oh fuck dont remind me

doing auric with 3 bombers and 4 flamers on the map

and u touch the fire once and instantly ur full toughness bar is gone

[void dragon]

what version you took for it? the shroudfield or the FotF?

[quick shell]

shroud im pretty sure

i dont think it's as good with fury

[narrow frost]

Shroud

[quick shell]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[serene bough]

It was brutal

Part of me kind of misses it though

[quick shell]

i miss auric being a challenge

[serene bough]

I do enjoy hishock auric the most currently

Esp the new operation map it feels like the spawning intensity is greater

[hollow ibex]

My default game mode

Though I will play AM if the modifiers aren’t shit

[restive mountain]

Kinda

[quick shell]

not an encouraging response really

[serene bough]

3VEG Is still my favorite

I used to do a lot of havoc last summer but now I think im washed

[hollow ibex]

Which one is that again?

[tame lodge]

Monstrosity Nurgle Blessing Better Blitz

[serene bough]

"Waves of Specialist Enemies. Nurgle's Blessing (Enemies have a chance to get a buff that makes them tougher). Monstrous Specialists (Chance that Specialists become weaker Monstrosities). Only Scab faction. Enhanced Blitz."

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah classic

[tame lodge]

I'm also starting to feel like I fell off

I'm no longer the best Darktide player

https://tenor.com/view/mus8029-dj-khaled-gif-3555378993500057042

[hybrid plover]

Ngl I'm on a losing streak rn. This season has been particularly unkind.

Whether it's the modifiers or the players because I've been seeing some knuckleheads even in 40

[pulsar copper]

im just starting darktide, maybe i can become the next best darktide player eventually

[serene bough]

Its time for all of us to grab our walking canes and dentures and head into retirement

Were thoroughly washed

[tame lodge]

That just means I'm clean

[fair shale]

I think it's both tbh

Havoc modifiers are rancid+massive return of players

Idk how they're getting to 40 tho

[tame lodge]

Rotten Armor being a middle finger for melee and ranged

[hybrid plover]

Ran into a specimen of a psyker with both purge and smite yesterday.

Who also complained a lot.

[fair shale]

Rotten armor be like you will use the most boring set ups in game

[hybrid plover]

In a 40.

[fair shale]

I genuinely don't know where these people are finding carries tbh

[hybrid plover]

Funny thing is, I was running melee scum. I was doing the damage I needed but also fighting the game most of the time because the psyker wouldn't stop smiting shit I was trying to have come to me.

It was deeply frustrating.

[fair shale]

Smyker

Tale as old as time

[woeful oxide]

i assume focus target keystone is bad?

[narrow frost]

how'd you come to that conclusion?

[woeful oxide]

i havent used it but it seems okay but i want to know

cause i made a build for it with plasma but never used it as i dropped darktide for a bit

so i wnna know if its good

[narrow frost]

its a good damage buff, but often not needed for auric

since you can already build to 1 tap them already

[woeful oxide]

if im doing a plasma gun focus target should i use survialist?

[woeful oxide]

i just like to use different builds for fun

ill prob use best stuff for auric but other than that probaly not

[narrow frost]

its free ammo, go for it

[woeful oxide]

ight hx

thx

what ability should i use with it

or would any work?

[narrow frost]

any work

I like stance cause of the streamline toughness regen and wall hacks

[woeful oxide]

ill give that a shot and once again thx

[hollow ibex]

Stance is underrated

Because people just immediately go for piss toughness

[woeful oxide]

piss?

[quick shell]

shout

[woeful oxide]

ahh

[tall torrent]

either stance or VoC

infil is in a rly awkward spot

[woeful oxide]

im liking stance

[orchid hemlock]

I like standing 🧍🏻‍♂️

[tame lodge]

Standing herw

I relise

[soft flint]

hey guys can someone help me get the On Overwatch penance? We do it on malice and I would just get blown up by a barrel at the start and my team doesnt rescue me the whole mission

oh also i cant use voice chat

[dapper bison]

Which recon is the most reliable?

[tough nova]

The one with the lowest damage value can't remember the number

[tall torrent]

I can help u

what's ur FS friend code

[soft flint]

8562655802

[dapper bison]

longshot vs one motion?

[tough nova]

On the recon?

[tall torrent]

ok

[dapper bison]

in general

[tough nova]

Tough to say generally but lower drawspeed weapons like the bolter FEEL better with one motion whereas you might not notice with a revolver. Not 100% on the math but from what I've gleaned longshot isnt as impactful as it reads. Could be wrong on that though. But there are a lot of different breakpoint on weapons so testing is the best way to figure out what you are comfortable with.

[dapper bison]

also why the recon with the lowest dmg?

[tough nova]

Synergizes best with infernus and headhunter crit chains and as a result is very ammo efficient with the correct talents.

[dapper bison]

What should be my last point and does anything need to be changed? using recon and dueling sword

[tall torrent]

@soft flint why leave

I'll just start another

[soft flint]

I have to go :/

sorry

[tall torrent]

ok

[soft flint]

can we try again tomorrow?

[tall torrent]

sure just ping me

[soft flint]

got it

[tough nova]

I would swap rending for toughness bottom middle but I don't think there's any particularly low hanging fruit. Out for blood for generalist toughness regeneration is what I would probably do. Also I usually take the middle right melee nodes but I tend to focus more on melee combat than ranged even with recon. Im also selfish and never take field medic.

[austere mica]

Take tfd

[tough nova]

And if you do take more melee nodes the next node down bottom right path provides good value.

[austere mica]

Why do you have a spare point and not tfd

[dapper bison]

i ask what to do with my sapre point T-T

[austere mica]

You should take tfd

[dapper bison]

Even with dueling

[austere mica]

Oh eww nvm I guess

[dapper bison]

hey ik im cringe for using it but i might swap to power sword if im using recon

[tough nova]

I always pair knife with recon to resposition better. But I also find the power sword to be the least fun melee option for vet.

[tame lodge]

And in Fatshark fashion
Least fun = strongest

[woeful oxide]

is chainaxe good?

[tough nova]

The ability to ignore cleave restrictions on carapace is prettttttty good

And the mark of chainaxe with single target lights and diagonal heavys is good

[quick shell]

what's ur definition of good

it's no power sword

but it's certainly usable

[woeful oxide]

whats good on PS cause im not a fan of it

[quick shell]

power cycler and

what difficulty are u playing

wait actually i think it's just sunderer always

[tough nova]

Power cycle and sunder

[quick shell]

yeah

[woeful oxide]

damnation

okay i will try that and see

[tough nova]

And that's locked more or less

[quick shell]

i think u just go sunder anyway

[woeful oxide]

what MK you reccommend

[quick shell]

i believe it's 6

[tough nova]

The stabbing push attack one

[woeful oxide]

thx

[quick shell]

you do lights for hordes and mixed hordes, and push attack light light for single target

[tough nova]

Hits strong breakpoints

[quick shell]

poke into overhead will kill a crusher iirc

[tough nova]

Yah which is nuts with how fast it is

[quick shell]

i dont remember it's been a while since ive done non-havoc

i mean it also has the activation, but yeah it's damage is insane

there's a reason it's the best melee in the game

[tough nova]

You can cancel it a bit with the push IIRC

[quick shell]

it's jujst blocking

push not required

[tough nova]

Right mb

[swift river]

Man, I've been trying to level up the Braced Autogun and I dunno if I've ever locked in harder than I did last mission.

I was doin my very best! Right up till I got knocked down right at the very end...

[tame lodge]

Punished for brrrrrrrr

[tough nova]

I can only use braced on zealot with spread reduction on dodge. Feels pretty good.

[hollow ibex]

Brauto is quite good on HIV

It’s ok with vet ES

[real loom]

Does it in havoc I thought it takes more hits

[native hamlet]

that sounds like it's for auric

[quick shell]

no

[swift river]

Yea but combined with Exe Stance, mowing down groups of elites just felt like

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-machine-gun-action-movie-shooting-gif-2695887680629799009

[native hamlet]

just went in hav 40 and it took like 2 loops and an extra hit without any melee buff nodes on the right bottom tree.
with all said stuff tho, it goes to 1 loop and either one or 2 extra hits

[hollow ibex]

I am really hoping they buff Brauto next patch

Esp given that they should’ve been buffed with HIV release to begin with

[quick shell]

was that rotten tho

because that'll make it worse

[native hamlet]

nope

[quick shell]

oh i see

no melee buffs

yeah imean

[native hamlet]

with rotten it's like doing 4 loops and maybe some more without without melee buffs

[quick shell]

with proper build it's like a full combo + change

but u can also just spam lights because they'll cleave even crushers

[native hamlet]

with melee buffz it's 2 loops if u crit early on, 3 otherwise

[slender elm]

Why does chain axe perform so much better than rashad despite similar movesets...

Must be the cleave

[quick shell]

i dont think it does

chaxe is better than it used to be

it's still not a top tier

[mystic pilot]

after using other melee weapons for a while, going back to the shovel feel so fast and so damaging (from fast attacks)

[hollow ibex]

Are you sure you’re hitting the necessary breakpoints on Rashad?

[slender elm]

Uh yeah, was a perfect mobility dump i got from melk

I took bromentum thrust i think

Or whatever is recommended in guide

Bromentum is certain

[tall torrent]

didn't recommend thrust for combat axe

[slender elm]

Yeah not thrust then

Ah, headtaker

[hollow ibex]

Make sure you can one shot scab bruisers with light attacks to the head

[slender elm]

I can yeah

[hollow ibex]

Preferably at 2-3 stacks of headtaker

Or less

[slender elm]

Caxe just feels better

Considered decimator for a sec then I was like lul no

[hollow ibex]

Deci is pain

[slender elm]

Yeah

Better on weapons that swing twice as fast

[umbral scaffold]

Fellers, give me the truth

Is power falchion kinda doo-doo or do I just suck with slower weapons?

[slender elm]

Its mid

What build u runnin

[umbral scaffold]

I played a match with it just now, and each time more than a single rager came, I pretty much accepted the down

[slender elm]

Do you have krak

[umbral scaffold]

I'm using the uhhh the uhhh sec, verifying files

Yeah

I'm running krak/shout/survivalist like a good boy

[slender elm]

I think falchion is like, anti armor?

[umbral scaffold]

It's performing fairly nicely, but god damn, that thing is slow as all hell

[slender elm]

Probably takes some getting used to

Did you turn on the glowy mode

[umbral scaffold]

Yep

I'm getting a bit used to the combos, but at least they're fairly intuitive

Unlike the mk7 DC I was playing, where if you did the wrong attack coming from the right, your heavy would also come from the right instead of the left

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

And the vanguard light chains into the strike heavy, instead of the strike light chaining into the strike heavy

Man, some weapons

[slender elm]

I usually just find a heavy>light loop and stick to that

Unless the entire combo string is specialised

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, it's kind of that for it

There's like light>heavy and heavy>light

Or PA>heavy and PA>light

[hollow ibex]

and then there's relic blade mk2

[umbral scaffold]

I think there's also push unlocking a second strike light that leads into the first strike light

So you can push>light>light>heavy

[umbral scaffold]

elaborate immediately

I promise to be merciful

[hollow ibex]

the mk2's horde clear combo is annoying

it's something like PA H H L

or PA L H L

too complicated for me

[tall torrent]

It’s not complicated it’s functionally the same combo as arb maul’s horde clear

[hollow ibex]

arbi maul is simpler

it's just PA H L isn't it?

[umbral scaffold]

PA>H>H is one

Arby maul also has those simple things like light>heavy and heavy>light

[slender elm]

I know my maul+shield is pa l h loop l h

Can hold h after h into heavy strikedown

[umbral scaffold]

Okay, got done verifying files

Bit tempted to change out of focus target tbh, because I just got used to shooting instead of tagging

[slender elm]

Eh, questionable nodes taken

But I'm no expert, where be the experts

[umbral scaffold]

Elaborate or perish

[slender elm]

What gun u running

[hollow ibex]

do not skip iron will

NEVER skip iron will

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck iron will lmao

Training wheel talent

[hollow ibex]

iron will is like half of vet's durability right there

[slender elm]

Goes down after getting hit by rager

????

[umbral scaffold]

I got my spicy bolter with this falchion

Power falchion doesn't seem to have any of the things I normally use to deal with ragers, namely mobility and/or stagger

[hollow ibex]

correct

[umbral scaffold]

DC can parry, knife can outrun them, power sword can stagger them, shovel can use the special, taxe can use the special and uhhh even old DS had a cool special

[native hamlet]

does anyone remember math to figure our iron will's effective hp (or tough in this case)

[hollow ibex]

it's not really ehp

unless you get hit twice

[native hamlet]

i vaguely remember the equation for regular ehp, but forgot how to factor it being conditional with a threshold :(

[umbral scaffold]

I mostly expected power falchion to interrupt them with charged attacks, but I either missed something or it just doesn't do that

[hollow ibex]

falch has very little stagger

[native hamlet]

i've heard power falc is mid, but i'm no expert

[woeful oxide]

ive heard the same

[umbral scaffold]

Sus weapon

Uninstalled game

[woeful oxide]

hopefully it get buffed

[umbral scaffold]

Oh right, I can get tier 4 blessings now that I got some more mastery

[native hamlet]

wdym?

[tepid otter]

Actually like the falc despite the midness

[hollow ibex]

let's say you get hit by two bruisers, and you have 200 toughness

Without Iron WIll: first hit will take you down to 92 toughness. second hit will erase all your remaining toughness, resulting in 39 hp damage.
With Iron WIll: first hit will take you down to 146 toughness. second hit will take you down to 67 toughness, resulting in 19 hp damage.

@tall torrent did i math correctly

very likely that i fucked it up somewhere

but the point is, iron will is really fucking important

[tall torrent]

Maybe idk

[hollow ibex]

check me 😭

[native hamlet]

naw you got checkmated

[hollow ibex]

it technically only matters if you get hit while having less than max toughness

though realistically, everyone takes hp damage some point if playing auric and above

iron will is there as insurance when you inevitably take chip damage

that's assuming melee

against ranged enemies, it's even better

it's just a straight up 50% damage reduction against ranged enemies while staying at above 75% toughness

[native hamlet]

iron will the goat

combo that with piss toughness from shout and ur pretty durable

or tough regen from the drug that is exe stance to really say no to chip damage

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah

That’s something I didn’t even mention

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[umbral scaffold]

I did iron will with shout once

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

brane offe

[serene bough]

This drooling cat is getting posted a lot

[umbral scaffold]

is funny cat

[serene bough]

Orange cat activities

[tall torrent]

EHP is not a great concept fit for this game imo because it doesn’t take into account your ability to replenish toughness

[hollow ibex]

replenishing toughness? that just means your ehp goes up 🙂‍↕️

[tall torrent]

Also, assuming u took the damage numbers from kuli’s enemy guide, this still wouldn’t be fully accurate

Because there’s a thing called dogpile mechanic

[hollow ibex]

fking knew it, there's always something 😭

and yeah based on kuli's guide, scab bruiser does 72 damage with 1.5x toughness damage mult so that's what i went with

prob still got the calcs wrong somewhere lol

[tall torrent]

Enemies in a player’s slot actually deal reduced damage based on how many of that player’s slots are filled

The more slots are filled, the less damage each slotted enemy deals

[native hamlet]

just like vermintide

classic 😏

[native hamlet]

yeah i figured, but i was mostly just curious math wise what it would be

[tall torrent]

It wouldn’t be conclusive even if u could math it out is what I mean

It’s just better to have an understanding of how much effective toughness u have

[native hamlet]

yeah

[tall torrent]

You can think of iron will as an x1.25 multiplier to effective toughness

Though in actual gameplay it’s often more impactful than that because of toughness replenishment allowing you to gate toughness with it pretty often

There’s not rly any good reason to not take it

It’s effectively a mandatory pick

[native hamlet]

how did you get 1.25?

[tall torrent]

If >75% of max toughness, gain 50% TDR

So 25%/0.5 = 50%

50+75=125

[native hamlet]

i dont understand this part of the equation

[native hamlet]

i assume this is to see the effective dr of that hp threshold?

[tall torrent]

50% (from 25% being divided by 0.5)
75% (from the other 75% that’s not affected by iron will)

[tall torrent]

What

This was always just toughness

[native hamlet]

srry meant toughness lol

im not good at math, so i'm all scrambled

[queen roost]

Any other fellow kriegsmen here?

[gilded pike]

considering there are three seasons of Krieg skins

odds are good

[slender elm]

I'm catachan

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral scaffold]

I have no idea what any of those names are, all I know is there is a crowd of gunners and by the fucking Throne I am throwing my smoke grenade and going invisible

[hearty snow]

are these builds in the pinned steam guide for veteran good

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor is the definitive vet guide

and yes the builds are good

[hearty snow]

yooooo helbore mastery

i am now john helbore

[quaint prawn]

Is Recon Lasgun Full auto viable in Auric Maelstrom?

[tepid otter]

The Recon Lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

yes but you should use melee too

[unreal nova]

Sounds like they only shoot.

[slender elm]

Run out of ammo about halfway, die to 3 specials in a side alley

[magic trout]

How dies exactly "kill zone" taleng works?
It says after avoiding damage does this mean just an evade or after 8's of no damage like "catch a breath" talent?

Is hp damage? Toughness damage?

[hollow ibex]

simply don't get hit in melee, and don't block any melee attacks, and the talent will stay up

if you get hit in melee or block an attack, the buff goes on an 8 sec cd

of course the tooltip says none of that

[magic trout]

So i need to evade and not block to mantain the buff 🤔

[magic trout]

Thanks 👍

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you're about to get hit, dodge instead of blocking

or just say out of range of melee attacks

it's a pretty easy buff to maintain since you're usually dodging melee attacks anyway

and blocking is the second line of defense

[magic trout]

So its only melee damage?

[hollow ibex]

yup

or blocking a melee attack

[magic trout]

Got it, thanks 👍

[swift river]

In this late hour I still find myself pining for a version of Darktide where instead of chaos hordes we got to fight genestealer cults

[unreal nova]

Only block as a last resort. Better than being actually hit. Parries count as blocks as well, so is something to be mindful about if DS.

[magic trout]

Maybe this year... maybe

[gilded pike]

They may wait for darktide 2

[hearty snow]

whats the difference between the two powersword marks

[junior grail]

I didn't realise the blue Recon Lasgun slow you down when firing?

Don't notice the effect on the other 2 marks

[junior grail]

Swing patterns

[hearty snow]

oh cool

im running the sniper veteran build on the hammer of the emperor guide, should i really follow the weapons they list

or can i use a different melee weapon

[austere mica]

You can use whatever you want

[unreal nova]

Is a 'nerf' in sense. They also have worse fall off from memory.

But you can check the guides on it. Is why ppl usually just use the green one.

[slender elm]

One of them is fast swap and fire on the move, one of them is high fire rate but slower everything, one of them is high damage slow fire rate

Higher firerate is good for stacking burn i think but otherwise less comfortable to use

And getting onslaught stacks

[unreal nova]

Just use the green one.

[analog mural]

I think the slower one has some cleave too

[unreal nova]

Onslaught is an uprising or malice only meme.

[slender elm]

Cleaves like 1 extra poxwalker

[unreal nova]

If you are literally shooting crushers to death, you shouldn't even be in heresy or damns.

[slender elm]

But bolter

[unreal nova]

Like, seriously.

[slender elm]

._.

Jk

[unreal nova]

Well, bolter actually kills.

Recon a damn crusher.

You will go old before it dies.

[slender elm]

I mostly use it to fuckup the trash while delivering some damage to armor

[unreal nova]

If it's like a shotgunner pack, yeah.

[slender elm]

Recon tho, idk if I like it

[unreal nova]

Or ragers.

[unreal nova]

It's a taste, like all guns.

[slender elm]

Ragers mixed in with crushers and pox, i just dump a mag and soften things up

Easier to deal with the crushers

[unreal nova]

I mean, that's normal. What I'm talking about are the ones who just shoot and shoot till they get overheaded.

[slender elm]

Those are idiots

[unreal nova]

Cos you know how tanky they are in heresy and damns now.

[slender elm]

Had one earlier in dam

Lvl 22 arbite trying to shotgun while surrounded by ragers and crushers

I can see his grenade icon being yellow

So im like, bruh use your nades

Nope

[unreal nova]

Is one thing to spray a little to soften+some burn stacks, but 100 to 0 outside of the actually easy diffs...

[unreal nova]

Unless is dog. That now is kinda weak.

Too nerfed.

[slender elm]

Idk, having it survive a plasma m1 is concerning

[unreal nova]

The boom from dog only kills smaller and the stagger is imo a little too weak.

[slender elm]

I missed the head but it has yet to pounce

[unreal nova]

Oh, I mean dog arby.

Dogsplosion.

[slender elm]

Oh

Even then he could've just walked at the dead team and zapped

Ez revives

[unreal nova]

You need both charges to do things.

[slender elm]

I would assume grenade icon means its nade and not dog zap but hell if i know

[unreal nova]

Maybe. The new thing confuses me to heck anyway.

[slender elm]

I don't see people run zap, if they do they dont even remember to press it

[unreal nova]

And sometimes bugs.

I once saw a staffker having not greyed out ammo.

[slender elm]

Hecking weird

[unreal nova]

I only noticed the staff due to specific projectiles.

Was an EK.

[slender elm]

I see

Well staff m1 is very visible in all cases

Dont think m2 is hard to spot either

[unreal nova]

Yes, thing was, they just spawned in and we looked. Assumed gunker/meekeeker.

[slender elm]

Just fatshark things

I had a 5 player team once

[unreal nova]

Ah, the free ammo bot.

[slender elm]

Extra bot for us to farm res penances

[unreal nova]

XD

But really, free ammo bot.

0.75% is still 1 bullet.

Free ammo never hurts. XD

[slender elm]

Unless you're meleeker...

[unreal nova]

And then there's an annoying sniper.

Team is busy.

[gray wadi]

Does anyone have any good advice on actually getting better at the game. I’ve been playing for like 2 years on and off but I’m still getting my nuts crushed on Malic difficulty.

[crude wind]

what rating do you need for Toughness/Stamina curios values to be accurate

e.g. a 400 Stamina curio is not actually 3 stamina

despite saying it is

[analog mural]

410 for +3 stam

[crude wind]

cheers, and with Toughness is it just accurate?

e.g. it says 17% toughness, you get that

[analog mural]

im pretty sure toughness curios are accurate

[crude wind]

cool ty!

[topaz lance]

If I'm running a double barrel build with exe stance + WS, what blessing would be good for the DB?
I don't relly like the standard manstopper + scattershot with this setup honestly.

[topaz lance]

Learn melee combat.

Also positioning generally and when it comes to ranged.

[distant plaza]

dodge, block, push
while it's possible to play as a traditional fps, it really is melee heavy
get better/good at that and recognizing situations when you ought to use your ability/grenades/reposition/switch weapons etc and the success will come

[unreal nova]

Depends on what is killing you and what is the issue. Could be positioning, could be lack of awareness, could be bad build and/or lacking the skill to make it work.

[regal smelt]

dodge block push slide always. Side dodging to move foward like a crab is a very nice habbit to learn. lets you close gaps while charging melee attacks and lets you move around enemies more safely when you prioritize movement over killing.

A lot harder to spam dodge on console though. There's only 1 control scheme that has dodge and jump on sepperate buttons and its kinda shit. try your best to not accidently jump since getting caught in midair means you have no chance to dodge important attacks

[unreal nova]

2 actually. Alt 1 is the one most use. The other feels more playstation.

[regal smelt]

also take toughness curios over hp and wounds. 16% toughness doesn't sound like much compared to an extra down but it's way more helpful. It takes a lot of convincing to get people off +wounds, but when they start playing it the difference is staggering

[swift river]

This

Unless you're a Zealot playing a Martyr build, you do not need extra wounds

[gray wadi]

Thanks you all for your advice. I will try to apply it as much as I can. But applying what I learn is often the reason why I fail math.

[distant plaza]

to echo kariens question
what's sending you to the floor? what's wiping your runs?

[gray wadi]

Absolute bs half the time.

[tame granite]

define bs

[gray wadi]

The other half random enemies I don’t see cause I’m dealing with a bigger threat.

[tame granite]

do you play with headphones on?

[distant plaza]

you're going to have to expand on what you mean by absolute bs
lag? server issues?

[gray wadi]

Idk. Getting shoved into a corner by both teammates and monsters.

And not being able to move.

To say it’s slightly frustrating would be a lie. It’s super frustrating to get knocked because you can’t dodge.

[tame granite]

you can practice dodges against the monstrosities in psykanhium

[gray wadi]

Damn. It sounds like I’m a whining btch

[tame granite]

which will stop getting knocked around hopefully

[gray wadi]

How do I get them to attack me so I can practice.

[tame granite]

there's a mod

[gray wadi]

Or is it like replaying the toutoral.

[gray wadi]

Xbox player.

[distant plaza]

what weapons, perks/blessings and their power level are you using?

[distant plaza]

i'm so sorry

[gray wadi]

lol it’s fine. Honestly I’m just going to to get on after school and try out your advice.

[gray wadi]

I often run either a bolt pistol and Chainsword. Or a lucios pattern lasrifle with a shovel

But for perks and curios I have no idea

I just pick whatever has the biggest number.

[swift river]

Yea, you want something close to a 400 rating to have the highest main stat

The three secondary stats can be upgraded and changed later but that main one is fixed

[gray wadi]

I have both of those build weapons maxed out. I like playing veteran.

[swift river]

Oh wait, I misread, you meant weapons 😄

Dunno why I thought we were still on curios

[gray wadi]

lol.

Anyway. I gtg thanks for the advice.

[unreal nova]

Curios is usually just 410+. You look for specific stats and not rating. 21% hp, 17% toughness, +3 stam (410+ only).

[unreal nova]

Chainsword only deals with hordes, bistol is a statstick gun and you should only run it on a 'nadier build in most cases.

[swift river]

But if the rating is too low, then the stat will be low.

[unreal nova]

You literally have no armoured clear unless you take kraks.

And those are limited if unlucky so not good.

[swift river]

Also I rarely see anything above 400 in curios

I count myself lucky if I see one pop up

That has the stat I'm looking for, anyway

[unreal nova]

It's luck. I got 430s as well, all stamina lul.

[swift river]

I have one 430 for toughness 😄

[unreal nova]

Like the game is telling me I should meme harder.

+9 stamina... wait, I do that on psyker anyway.

[swift river]

Also, on the note of curios, how many times do ya'll take Gunner Resistance?

I have it twice cause if I remember correctly, it stacks weirdly if you do it more than that

[unreal nova]

None. I live or die on 300 ping.

If server says I ate 700 shots in a tick, I still die anyway.

I get shot while sliding, behind walls and even in bubble at times.

[regal smelt]

There will be total bs moments that the game will throw at you, and thats not even considering teammates which can be way worse. Sometimes you just get a Darktide Moment™ and it's not worth frustrating over. You eventually get enough experience that you can be essentially self sufficent in auric and enough map knowledge that lets you know when and where the game will want to totally screw you.

[swift river]

I get many Darktide Moments when I always underestimate just how fast Crushers are when they do that oneshot kill move

Now I just go full grenadier and spam Kraks whenever I see ogryns 😄

Actually I take that back, the bs moments are always when the game decides to randomly spawn enemies behind you. Which it will do, just to mess with you

"Oh no, you're facing off a horde of crushers? Let me just spawn a random zombie behind you to get that extra backstab damage in when you least expect it."

[unreal nova]

Random poxxer? Naw. Stealth mauler funnier.

[swift river]

Actually lately I've been getting a lot of stealth Ragers

[regal smelt]

There's always another slave rat ready to take half your hp from behind

thank goodness you dont take damage through 100% toughness anymore

[unreal nova]

Also the same.

[unreal nova]

Half? You mean kill you?

[swift river]

I call bs cause I've had me guy get hit in the back and lose a tick of health while toughness went untouched 😄

Like it completely bypassed toughness

[regal smelt]

That was the way it worked 100% of the time for any melee hit before full release. Now it's only big boy attacks that do any damage through full toughness.

[regal smelt]

half base hp not including the manditory grim health reduction

[frigid rover]

tinnitus mission modifier that turns off all enemy sfx and spawn warnings except muted gunfire

[uncut pewter]

Yesterday twice in two consecutive match I died to trappers

Specifically being spawncamped by it, like the moment I get the animation to rise after being freed I got trappered immediately without being able to react

I was absolutely salty haha as it happened in same parts of the map in similar circumstances like a Déjà vu of some kind

[swift river]

They're the worst part of the game. Trappers and dogs.

[uncut pewter]

Dogs are far better

[swift river]

It'd be a different story if we had some means of escaping on our own, but no.

[uncut pewter]

More ways to interact with it, it can get kicked off by enemies

Trappers? Yeah no interaction at all

[regal smelt]

I miss the times where the only way to reliably push a dog off of someone was to use a venting shriek on it, directly.

[uncut pewter]

Just screaming in the poor animal’s ears

[regal smelt]

I'd call them poor animals now, back then I'd call them something beyond chaos

Those fuckers never got staggered and would fly hundreds of meters in the air and still land back down on you

[unreal nova]

I already suffer from random ringing noises.

[hearty snow]

is theeee bolter the heaviest damage weapon veteran has

is a sniper bolter possible

[frigid rover]

it's possible in the sense that you can pop fairly distant things with the bolter to a reasonable degree

[rotund heart]

Per shot? No. Overall dps? No. But it can dump damage faster at full auto than Plasma Gun and Hellbore

[outer wolf]

What perks/blessings do you recommend on the boltgun iib? For H40

[rotund heart]

Depends on build.

You want to use the bolter like a marksman rifle? Surgical and Pinning Fire.

[outer wolf]

Hmmm Ok, the one that is suggested on hammer of the emperor. VoC no keystones

[rotund heart]

Again it depends

What will you use it for?

[outer wolf]

Kind of a jack of all trades? Wouldn't say 100% marksman neither going ape against mixed hordes

[rotund heart]

Can go Cavalcade Pinning Fire or Pinning Fire with bleed

[hearty snow]

does it put down specials better than helbore

[outer wolf]

Better than fire frenzy + puncture?

[rotund heart]

Yesn’t.

[hearty snow]

why is it so damn hard for veteran to do the one job

[outer wolf]

Flak / Unyielding are my go to perks, maybe carapace for flak?

[rotund heart]

Flak Unyielding is my recommend

It’s a little inefficient to bolter into carpace

[rotund heart]

Which job

[hearty snow]

putting down specials and elites

[rotund heart]

Veteran’s really good at it though.

[hearty snow]

yeah but im either just doodoo baby at it or my gear's not up to snuff

i already put in the resources dumping everything for this helbore rifle

[rotund heart]

Weapons synergize with build

And experience + weapons and build

Hellbore decently one taps most things to the head

But you have to be good at headshots

Bolter can bodyshot but your ammo is much more limited, and you’re slower, and you’ll likely not want to waste bolter rounds into a single non-elite shooter

[gilded pike]

Crusher conga lines get either 1. rapid fire antiarmor, 2. someone's krak

If you have a frag nade instead of krak, you should have antiarmor; be very nervous if someone doesn't have fast reliable antiarmor in your team start screen

[rotund heart]

If one can’t kill Crushers fast, they gotta be controlled

Uncanny’s always recommended entirely because of crushers

[swift river]

Speaking of...

How long do we think Scum's rpg will last before it gets nerfed?

[rotund heart]

Yeah that

That was an extreme buff it got

When it already had chem nades to boot

[swift river]

Not even Ogryn's nuke does that much damage

[rotund heart]

Meanwhile Shredder Frags need uncanny.

I want chainsword buffs

[unreal nova]

This is why they overbuffed it.

[tall torrent]

prob for quite a while

[gilded pike]

tbh I think crying will basically turn vets into reroll eventually

without solving the root issues

[unreal nova]

If RPG is just single use +1 with node, sure.

[tall torrent]

it's likelier that they'll buff og nuke

[rotund heart]

Justice for infilitrate and exec stance

VoC just too good

[tall torrent]

stance is fine where it's at

[unreal nova]

You mean how busted Desperado is compared to exe stance?

[rotund heart]

Ye

[swift river]

I'm certainly not complaining. It's nice seeing a group of eight crushers go down all at once. But I know it can't last...

[rotund heart]

These days I mostly just play rp builds in aurics for the fun of it

Regular Guardsman is fun

[swift river]

Generic Cadian Guardsman with stock lasgun

[rotund heart]

Stock lasgun, stock shovel, frags

I actually don’t take shock trooper with it

Regular Lasgun is pretty ammo efficient as is

[hollow ibex]

more liek just infil. ES is already VOC-tier

[swift river]

Maybe one day we'll get Longlas or Hellguns

[rotund heart]

Remind me

Does Exec buff infernus

[hollow ibex]

negative

[gilded pike]

"why is veteran underpowered"- a month after "balance"

[rotund heart]

Hmm. I’m just thinking, how to get most bang for buck out of recon lasgun.

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure you just SPRAY.

[hollow ibex]

ES + FT

[unreal nova]

Into a shotgunner pack.

[hollow ibex]

vet's good rn, it's just infil that's bad

[rotund heart]

I’ve been running deadshot with it and playing stamina management

[hollow ibex]

and some parts of the trees need changes

but overall, vet's in a good state

[gilded pike]

well yeah, I'm just snarking about what's gonna happen eventually

[unreal nova]

Deadshot sucks unless brown mark.

[rotund heart]

Brown mark

[hollow ibex]

lol fair enough

[rotund heart]

I leave deadshot alone usually

But I love grabbing it for shotgun builds

[unreal nova]

Back to worst class again?

[gilded pike]

🎊

[rotund heart]

Why’sat?

[gilded pike]

Can't possibly be bad game design or lack of buffs, nope, vet has gotta be punished for the sin of visibly having a viable option~

[rotund heart]

I don’t normally play with the recon, I usually run shotguns and pull out the plasma when I want to win

[hollow ibex]

other marks fire too quickly and will drain your stam really fast with deadshot

[tall torrent]

stance is quite strong rn tho

I'm not saying vet has no issues compared to other classes

[gilded pike]

Thats fair im more vaguepost guessing about the trajectory of fatshark choices

[tall torrent]

what's that supposed to mean even

[unreal nova]

Every shot drains stamina, deadshot stops working at 0 stamina.

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly don't understand what this means

[gilded pike]

Im saying i think shouty vet seems more likely to get nerfed than changes to things like havoc spawns or bringing up underperforming classes, thats all

[tall torrent]

wdym bringing up underperforming classes

are u saying vet underperforms without VOC

[orchid hemlock]

Vet is underperforming

We should be better than Psyker and Scum 😈

[hollow ibex]

i do think vet's better than scum

but not psyker obv

[undone trout]

underperforming classes would refer to ogryn, my poor boy ogryn...

[regal smelt]

oggy is fine, just pretend the right side of the tree doesn't exist

[tall torrent]

I think og is strong but inflexible

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39848d-20dd-4b3a-ad2d-aecc4b0c0bc5/gunslinga-big-un?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Witness me

[tame lodge]

#buffGunlugger

[feral bay]

... But why? It's perfect as-is.

[serene bough]

One of my favorite memories in this game is watching a fresh lvl 30 gunlugger ogryn hold W+M1 with his heavy stubber straight into the demonhost

Poor guy didnt live

[woeful ibex]

This might be dumb but I am gonna experiment or trying a Stealth Grenadier build where I try use curius with Ability Cooldown and 5% Grenade replenishment on elite kills. essentially I go backlines and spam grenades to crowd control range units or disrupt oncomming Mauler or rager patrols

Would bolters works or use range weapons with easy swapping?

[tame lodge]

Achlys twink is a peashooter

Gorgonzola Twink has no ammo

Rippers

Rumbler is broken AF

No one cares about GG

Kickback

Achlys Hstubber is the only heavy stubber

Actually
Give Rippers waaaay more ammo

And I'll be fine with everything else

#buffGunlugger

[unreal nova]

Buff it while nerfing Rumbler?

[tame lodge]

Like they'd ever nerf Rumbler

[serene bough]

Lets fuse the heavy stubber and the rumbler

Rapid fire 100+ capacity grenade launching fire power

[unreal nova]

I forget the devs need to keep buffing their crutches. Heard a dev plays smyker even.

[tame lodge]

GG if it was good

[candid tartan]

Hey. Good day you rejects

Remember that you're nothing more than canon fodder for the God emperor

May your faith in our God emperor never falters

And our havoc Missions go through

[hollow ibex]

The grandfather protects!

[quick shell]

I mean smyker isn’t even really that good

It has issues

It’s just fucking unfun to deal with

[faint beacon]

Notice how there’s no description

[tame lodge]

They are perfect
(Except when they aren't)

[unreal nova]

I know, but good enough to carry that dev so...

[quick shell]

Smyker is making the game harder

If he just went purg he’d do more

Spam inferno

[charred halo]

who else unironically likes the cadian personality

i like when he calls ogryn big man

[tall torrent]

with scion helmet voice modifier, he sounds really good

goes from a 3/10 to an 8/10 for me

[hollow ibex]

I’ve mained him for hundreds of hours

[hearty snow]

first zealot, now hive scum, is there anyone else veteran is attracted to

[tall torrent]

depends on which veteran personality ur talking abt

[serene bough]

Does loose cannon have a thing for fem savant

Or am I just reaching too far

[tall torrent]

not sure

I just remember m cutthroat being on "good" terms with m savant, m maul and m bounty hunter, and the original 3 ogryn personalities

[tame lodge]

We ship fem agi and fem sav in this house

🗣️

[tall torrent]

the new ogryn personality trash talks a lot lol

[quick shell]

New ogryn personality is scarily smart

[tall torrent]

very smart and also belittles like everybody

I don't like him

[quick shell]

I mean yeah that’s the point

[serene bough]

M cut m savant are such wholesome interactions for some odd reason

[unreal nova]

I know, but devs stan it so... herp.

[tall torrent]

m cutthroat + m maul is also very weirdly wholesome

[azure narwhal]

"sweethearts" buttered me up but then i realised how he really was

[primal zealot]

ofc he belittles them. hes bigger

[tall torrent]

He’s actually just a prick to everybody for no reason lol

Like u can’t even blame some sort of PTSD or indoctrination for him

[azure narwhal]

at least my dear old loner psyker has an excuse

[gilded pike]

Honestly be more worried about bad game design or undercooked classes

in 6 months or a year, guessing the meta will end up unplayable lol

[tame lodge]

Going by pattern recognition
I'd say the meta won't turn 180° like that

Unless Fatshark goes patch 13 v2.0

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[gilded pike]

fair nuff

[slow spade]

VoC, power sword, plasma vet still standing UwU

[orchid hemlock]

"OH DONT STOP BIG MAN 😩"

[charred halo]

mandated edict: hanging by the balls

[sharp epoch]

VoC kinda mid now 🥱

Also most vets still run DS/Plasma/Shout not PS

[jolly sparrow]

Judging by their behaviour they might like it

[stark holly]

I know krak grenades are pretty OP for taking down crushers, but when there are groups of 4-5 crushers and a lot of maulers also, would frag grenade + uncanny strikes melee weapon be a good option? stacking up max bleed on pretty much all enemies at once, and then with uncanny strike buffs, the bleed will do way more AOE damage.

asking for havoc 30+ where modifiers make things not so straightforward

[tall torrent]

works but u can also manipulate the enemy slot system to group them up for krak to multikill

[charred halo]

multiple kraks

with the talent that replenishes nades on a timer

[serene bough]

With the advent of rotten armor its recommended to use kraks

[stark holly]

yea, thats what I normally do in auric or lower havocs. But in the higher havocs, I constantly have multiple bosses spawning + twins + weakened monstrosities, so I cant just afford to spam infinite kraks all the time

[serene bough]

Large AoE DoT is already being covered by psyker anyways

[stark holly]

I can try to melee kill crushers with knife/dueling sword, which I can generally do If I have space to kite, but the longer it takes to clear a horde of carapace, the higher the chance that one or more of my teammates goes down

im having trouble clearing anything past H28 atm

started playing the game in december, have about ~100 hours in the game

not really sure what I need to improve

[serene bough]

Not to be rude but 100h is still rookie numbers

So youll improve by playing more

[stark holly]

yea, i know

im still pretty new and dont know all of the mechanics yet

[serene bough]

For havoc Vet uses Powersword the most

[stark holly]

but I also need some sort of focused areas to improve rather than just keep yoloing and expect to somehow get better

[serene bough]

Well shredders are still a valid option if you struggle with hordes, but people usually expect vet to bring krak bc of rotten armor

[stark holly]

I tried using a psword + plasma gun build. It was really powerful at clearing hordes and killing specials, but both melee and range weapon were really low mobility, so I would get immediately melted if a bomber threw an aoe at my feet.

[serene bough]

It takes some practice to get used to psword

You gotta fight your way out of death

Since mobility is poor

That being said, WS helps to improve dodges so also recommended to take with ps

[stark holly]

maybe I just need more practice or I got unlucky modifiers, but with plague spreads covering most of the ground in goop and then if a flamer or bomber throws some fire where I am, its just over. Even if im at max health, dodge+slide or sprinting out takes too long especially if there are enemies or objects blocking my way

[stark holly]

WS?

[serene bough]

Weapon specialist keystone

[stark holly]

oh

[slow spade]

That's just straight up wrong but you do you lol

[sharp epoch]

even path just uses exe stance melee vet now

your ability being one of the only ways to regen toughness makes exe better while shout you have to play very safe if its not on cooldown

[stark holly]

how long does the focus target damage buff on the target last? (not the team one from killing the target)

does it last until the target is dead/ you use it on another target?

[sharp epoch]

the base damage buff only applies if they're highlighted pretty sure

[stark holly]

just took a look at the pinned guide again, apparently its for up to 25s before you have to re-tag the target

[hollow ibex]

Yeah basically long enough

That it doesn’t matter

[undone trout]

fem cadian is our badass queen

[paper grove]

Finally. After 3 years

[mystic pilot]

oooh

[paper grove]

Compared to the rest anyway

[mystic pilot]

kek

[paper grove]

cba with psyker

[mystic pilot]

yeah I'll never do all that

[paper grove]

I doubt I will actually finish all the classes lmao

I have 2 steam achivements left and i cba to try all the time lol

[undone trout]

enlightenment is doing the penances only for the cool cosmetics and ignoring them

[paper grove]

^

I agree

[swift river]

It’s a tough grind, be proud

[paper grove]

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-and-salute-smirking-sarcastic-smirk-salute-way-to-go-gif-8294537221792413261

[paper grove]

Doubt I will do it with all the classes lmao

[swift river]

I’ve been trying with Ogryn, but Ogryn has some that are just crushingly grindy

Veteran and Ogryn are my two mains

Veteran I have finished, Ogryn I have 2 or 3 left

[tall torrent]

25.0s, same duration as the tag itself

[paper grove]

Me still trying to get 60 peeps in 1 bullrush

[tall torrent]

auric hiSTG can get that fairly easy now if ur team doesn't instakill everything

and in havoc obv

[paper grove]

I dont play havoc

Lost all interest for the mode early on

[tall torrent]

then just auric

[paper grove]

With this being most of the cases I just hope I get it by chance at this point

Team kills the hordes as they should, not their fault ofc

[swift river]

Which can be annoying when you have to kill 5000 enemies with only heavy attacks

[paper grove]

Still havent done that either lmao

Again, challenges like that I am banking on pure chance

[swift river]

Oh well… I’ll always come back to Veteran anyway

I like playing my generic cadian dude

[chrome bridge]

grab a slab shield got to mortis trials and stand in a corner until you think you got a enough enemies

[paper grove]

Me playing the 110th since I chose them as my guard scheme to paint lol

[paper grove]

Never thought about that thanks 😄

[chrome bridge]

did it just yesterday

[swift river]

I forget where the pants came from…

[paper grove]

All my vet garbs

[tepid otter]

wat armor is that

[swift river]

The chest piece is the flak vest from the cadian sets that rolled out…gosh, year before last? It’s been forever since they ever returned

[tepid otter]

looks so good tho

[swift river]

I don’t recall where the pants came from 😄

And the headpiece was a bundle from a few weeks ago

[fallow beacon]

which headpiece should i use

[tall torrent]

first imo

become the faceless goon

[fallow beacon]

first it is

[umbral scaffold]

You can never go wrong with the train conductor cap

It is objectively the moggiest of all head pieces

The red from the beret compliments the yellow jacket well tho

But it's not as adept at mogging the unbelievers

[fallow beacon]

i use the cap on my infiltration build

it does go hard

[umbral scaffold]

I use the cap with that brown uniform from the right tree penances

[fallow beacon]

this one?

[umbral scaffold]

The uhhh where is it

Second row

[fallow beacon]

ah yeah the skull angel one

already use it

[umbral scaffold]

💪

[fallow beacon]

[umbral scaffold]

It's a fit fit

[fallow beacon]

nice

[umbral scaffold]

I would kill for that cap with the headset tho

[fallow beacon]

only got the headset myself

[real shoal]

Is plasma really flak/unarmored these days?

[frigid rover]

anecdotally, i got it on mortis by just walking away from my team and pushing chaff until it looked like a nice pile-up

this made it very easy and it took like, a minute once the thought actually occurred to me

[turbid ibex]

Seems so

[undone trout]

plasma is lame/gay

[hollow ibex]

plasma is boring as fuck but using gay as an insult in 2025 is

oh sorry, 2026

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-montage-gif-26235135

so anyways

the cat edit

[undone trout]

its not gay (homosexual), its gay (stupid)

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/koko-nods-nod-yes-sarcastic-yes-gif-12043000

[undone trout]

also wth is going on with the curios in the pinned guide

that shit is cursed

[hollow ibex]

which guide and why?

[undone trout]

the top one

toughness stamina health with 2 ordo docket perks?

[hollow ibex]

2 dockets because path is scrooge

but toughness stam health is the ideal yes

you can replace 2 dockets with whatever

[austere mica]

He says to replace dockets

Or not to replace

Gives rev speed as alt

[stark holly]

is 36% stamina regen better than having 3 extra stamina?

if we were to choose 3 toughness curios with stamina regen vs 2 toughness curios and a +3 stamina curio but with 5% toughness effect

[hollow ibex]

3 toughness curios isn't a great idea because there are enemies that ignore toughness

and having one stam curio is pretty important for pushing and mobility

having one hp is important due to vet's low base health

so the ideal comes out to 1 of each (except wounds, fuck wounds)

[stark holly]

is that true at all havoc levels? Im mostly playing havoc 25-30ish. (Regular auric missions and stuff are not really an issue atm)

I kind of like stacking toughness curios to (potentially) be able to tank a sniper shot or pox burster without taking hp damage. AFAIK, from what I read, sniper shot will do 0 damage if your toughness can block all of it, but if you bleed even 1 damage past your toughness, it will do the full damage to your hp. And something similar for poxburster too

[hollow ibex]

that's assuming you have shout

[tough nova]

Not sure about the sniper/buster info but stamina is valuable on veteran. They have a relatively long stam regen delay.

[hollow ibex]

idk if piss toughness can tank a full burster or sniper

on h40

[stark holly]

hm... I guess ill try running 1 of each then

with cdr, gunner damage, and stamina regen perks

when reviving allies, melee attacks are blocked as long as you have stamina, and ranged attacks still do toughness damage right? If the ranged attacks break through the toughness, does it stagger you out of the revive?

[hollow ibex]

don't think so

[tough nova]

I think it has to be melee but I've never actually taken the time to notice if shooters stop you

[tall torrent]

usually no

[tough nova]

Also fwiw I find revive speed to have the most meaningful impact in terms of winning/losing rounds. Admittedly its harder to notice when the 5-15% toughness would have kept you alive.

[tall torrent]

because I like money and u can afford extra dockets on curio for auric most of the time

it's hard to not like money

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[tall torrent]

as for toughness/stamina/health as curio blessings, that part is normal

[hollow ibex]

can confirm, everytime a new class comes out, i go bankrupt

[tough nova]

I've been at 25mil and hundreds of thousands of resources for like a year. I can afford to fully master all new weapons just by sacrificing.

[primal zealot]

i already fucked up 2027 will be my year

[orchid hemlock]

Fuck it we ball

3 wounds

[native hamlet]

lmao

[hot coyote]

how much utility has the smoke granades ?

I use it on shooters but

[slender elm]

It's very useful

[hot coyote]

I use it from a assault build for veteran and some times on helping in my allies using melee

when are todo many shooters

[slender elm]

Just chuck it on your team and not the enemy

[tough nova]

I view smokes as a crappier dome with some other minor upside

[slender elm]

It stops melee targeting half the time

[tough nova]

They aren't a troll pick like they used to be

[slender elm]

Good against hordes

[tall torrent]

it shouldn't

[slender elm]

Eh, should've worded differently

They stop melee enemies from seeing you half the time

[hot coyote]

acctually I don't use it for hordes

just shoters

[slender elm]

So less melee enemies are going to hit you in smoke

[hot coyote]

mmm

not that much

[slender elm]

Regular horde is kind of a waste

Mixed horde good

[tall torrent]

it's mainly to counter ranged enemies, hounds and flamers

but gets hard counterd by bombers

and does basically nothing on mixed horde

[slender elm]

Eh

I know someone said smoke nades make hordes easier, even if anecdotal

[tall torrent]

it just makes ranged units much easier to deal with

vs 30 ragers a smoke is gonna do basically nothing

[fair shale]

They iirc stop the melee lunge some enemies do

But not like, standard attacks

[hot coyote]

yeah that's when I use it

[frigid rover]

the main use of smokes for me is to blind my team so they cant stop me from sniping every single special in the mission

[tough nova]

If you threw a shredder instead your problem would be dead or staggered instead most of the time

[slender elm]

Ye

[hot coyote]

am going into the back with infiltreit

[frigid rover]

well its not so bad, smokes do a bit of stagger as well so you can use them similarly when impatient about reviving someone under pressure

[hot coyote]

and shoot with a brace auto gun

[slender elm]

Infiltrate vet with brauto 🤔

[tough nova]

Agripina?

[slender elm]

Interesting build, unsure if good

[frigid rover]

sounds like a funny way to turboboost brauto bodyshots for zapping mauler packs or something

[dry cloak]

Youd be better of with shredde4 autopistol at this point

Or any shotgun

[hot coyote]

yeah

[slender elm]

Well I'm not the one running it

I don't actually know how infiltrate builds work outside of lul backstab

[hot coyote]

well for me it's pretty fun

[dry cloak]

Fun sure

[tough nova]

Agri had such a chunky sound i love it

[dry cloak]

Good eh not so much imo

That being said. Fun is more important

[slender elm]

Im just pew pew and explode when I play ranged xd

[hot coyote]

I use it more like a inicite a figth with shooters

[dry cloak]

Fair enough

[hot coyote]

and help my Friends with smoke

[dry cloak]

Your melee?

[hot coyote]

a mix

[dry cloak]

Good

[hot coyote]

meele and supression

[dry cloak]

I usually run shockmaul,powerfalchion,knife, devilclaw and tac axe

[slender elm]

Chainaxe

Or chainsword

[dry cloak]

Eh chainaxe is to slow for my vet

And chainsword

Would need to use it a bit more

Chaxe i prefer on zealot

[slender elm]

Chainsword hecking fast trash clear tho

[dry cloak]

You dont have to tell me

I know

[tough nova]

The rippy chaxe is awesome on a weapons specialist vet with DBS

[dry cloak]

Db is fun

[slender elm]

Yeh

I've been playing weapons i have not played

Heavy sword is nice

Shovel is kinda spammy

Got a good relic blade recently as well

[tough nova]

I want to like the heavy sword but can't make it feel right without fury of the faithful

[hot coyote]

with this

[slender elm]

Played some rashad and the entire time im just, i miss my chain axe

[slender elm]

Too slow or what

[austere mica]

This is a build all right

Its got talents and everything

[dry cloak]

Heavy sword

Ol faithfull in my arsenal

[hot coyote]

for suprise the back for the enemies and a smoke for my allies to engage

[austere mica]

You will certainly surprise them

[tough nova]

I think its the lack of armor damage

Takes a year to kill a crusher

[hot coyote]

but for help my team from the shooters acctually use this build

[austere mica]

What

[hot coyote]

sorry my english it's a bit broken

but u know what I mean

[austere mica]

Yeah sadly this build just isn't good

You skip a few very important points and waste a bunch

[hot coyote]

mmmm...

sure