veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

A lot of the value from grenadier is from double nade

Which isn’t super helpful on Krak

[quick shell]

I run it on my havoc setup and honestly i should probably not

[swift river]

Hmm... If I removed both grenade modifiers, I could go Trench Fighter and Serrated Blade...

[quick shell]

what melee are you using

[swift river]

On this build, a knife

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I don't care if people think this is shit

Witness me!

[quick shell]

is this havoc or regular

[swift river]

The XII lasgun? I've been using the VIc myself 😄

[void dragon]

if you run onslaught XII is your pal

[swift river]

But it chews through so much ammo...

Twice the fire rate but only like a third extra ammo

[orchid hemlock]

If you want to try hard, then take PS

[orchid hemlock]

Since crits are in strings, it isn't nearly as bad as the heavy recon

[quick shell]

i mean it looks fine for auric

but kidna abysmal for havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I've out damaged Psykers with this

Havoc 40s

[swift river]

Heavy Recon? The XIV?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[quick shell]

sure, but your average psyker player would get stuck on hav20 on any other class, so that doesn't really count for much

[swift river]

Ah ye, that one chews up ammo too cause it uses more ammo per shot

I dunno, VIc always seemed like the best middle ground

[quick shell]

this kids, is why shock trooper was invented

[swift river]

True but I'm not using Shock Trooper on this build

So I need to conserve

[orchid hemlock]

No they were very good

It's just that with this build, you slaughter elites and specialist groups and have decent boss damage

Just try it once

Full refund

I promise

[mystic pilot]

Combat Blade, which blessing to go for after Uncanny Strike?

[swift river]

I use Precog but that's me

[orchid hemlock]

riposte is the standard one

[hollow ibex]

Riposte precog FT are all good

[swift river]

Man, some people really ruin this game sometimes. It's rare, but there are some shit players out there.

[mystic pilot]

Man I need to practice those move sets for melee weapons in the guide

okay so the move set tell you what direction to swing your weapon right?

[hollow ibex]

It’s the light or heavy or PA

Or special

[narrow widget]

most weapons in this game are spam light/heavy occasionally push attack
there are a few exceptions like combat blade and power sword but those are rarer

[hollow ibex]

For example H1 means the first heavy in the heavy chain

So L1 H2 means light, then heavy. And the light would be the first light in the light chain and the heavy would be the second heavy in the heavy chain

[mystic pilot]

okay for horde

I push, then Heavy attack, then heavy attack and what light 3 attack?

[hollow ibex]

The curly braces mean loops

[narrow widget]

curly brackets are for attacks you can repeat

so heavy heavy heavy heavy light or smth

[hollow ibex]

So you can push and then just heavy forever

[mystic pilot]

and heavy 2 move is?

[hollow ibex]

Heavy 1 and heavy 2 are sweeping swings

Shovel mk1 moveset is stupidly easy

[mystic pilot]

okay but then you have this

Heavy 2 then Heavy 1??

so first swing at nothing, then second swing should connect?

[hollow ibex]

It must means two heavies in a row

The number just indicates what order the heavy is in the chain

[narrow widget]

they go into each other

heavy 2 and queuing up another heavy gives you heavy 1

[hollow ibex]

Just follow the moveset tbh

[mystic pilot]

so first swing and second swing is jsut heavy 1 and heavy 2

[hollow ibex]

You don’t need to worry about whether it’s heavy 1 or heavy 2

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[narrow widget]

the specific number in the chain doesn't matter unless you want to talk about specific attacks

[tall torrent]

this is because the heavy attack being chained from push atk is heavy2

I put push/push atk at start which indicates what ur atk chain going from push or push atk is

since push/push atk is smth u should do fairly often vs horde

the actual combo starters are marked with blue colored text/arrow in the moveset chart

[surreal sentinel]

What do you think of this: Orestes Mk. XII Chainaxe, Plasma Gun, and Krak Grenades.

[grave hawk]

do you guys like the sniper vet build from the guide

[narrow widget]

if it's path's guide I have full faith in it

that guy knows numbers

[grave hawk]

alright

[mystic pilot]

well that was interesting , while I was practing my combat blade, i got 1500dps on bulkwark from behind

er 2570dps, nice crit

[narrow widget]

dps doesn't really matter that much tbh imo
moreso how little hits does it take to kill the elite you're focusing on

[chrome ruin]

what stat do y'all dump on the recon lasgun? Mobility?

[grave hawk]

stability

[chrome ruin]

oh that makes sense, it's basically a laser pointer

ty

[surreal sentinel]

Reiterate: What do you think of my build? I use the Orestes Mk. XII Chainaxe, the Plasma Gun, and Krak Grenades.

[narrow widget]

where horde clear

[grave hawk]

sounds like you are going to get overwhelmed easy

[surreal sentinel]

Chainaxe. The Mk. XII is built more for horde clear rather than the Mk. IV, which is moreso for single target.

And in a pinch I can pull out the krak grenades.

[tall torrent]

collateral

[hollow ibex]

Chaxe has great horde clear

[narrow widget]

idk I don't play chaxe

[surreal sentinel]

chaxe has remarkable horde clear.

I just went with what looked cool, and those looked cool, and it works phenomenally for me.

[mystic pilot]

well if you allow for crits, I was able to do it in two hit on his back

[tall torrent]

chainaxe has tolerable horde clear

[narrow widget]

my goat power sword could never just be tolerable

[topaz lance]

Chain axe unfortunately is overall a very mid weapon. It works.

[surreal sentinel]

I like it a lot.

[grave hawk]

ive got 1 extra point

[quick shell]

weapons?

[surreal sentinel]

idk

[grave hawk]

Shovel Helbore

[quick shell]

and is this havoc or auric

[grave hawk]

either

[quick shell]

if havoc, tinkerer

it's required for kraks

[grave hawk]

aye

thats where iwas thinking too

[surreal sentinel]

I've got tinkerer.

[quick shell]

if ur not taking tinkerer in havoc, dont use kraks

[grave hawk]

yup

[narrow widget]

is that not the nade regen node

[surreal sentinel]

I normally play Psyker, so my Veteran build is okay.

[grave hawk]

tinkerer is the extra krak dmg

[narrow widget]

oh wait I'm illiterate

I thought you said you already had tinkerer 💀 💀 💀 💀

[grave hawk]

do we know which mark is suggested for helbore

[hollow ibex]

V for chads

[quick shell]

I think it's entirely preference really, but iirc one was a bit better?

[narrow widget]

p sure it's either the slow one or the middle firing one

but I could be wrong

[hollow ibex]

It’s preference

[narrow widget]

yea

[grave hawk]

im assuming IV is the slowest

then IIIa

then V

[narrow widget]

ik iiia is good

but then again helbore is good

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[grave hawk]

IIIa it is

i might end up going V

[hollow ibex]

V with weight of fire is very funny

[grave hawk]

im using weight of fire

[hollow ibex]

Try V

[grave hawk]

aye aye

[slender elm]

Should I go wep specialist or ft for bolter

[mystic pilot]

huh

krak grenade "sticking" targeting is weird

it would "bounce" to the guy next to the target I was aiming at

[narrow widget]

I go ws bc I like ws and the nodes leading to it but you generally don't swap weapons often enough with bolter to make the best use of it lol
ft gives you that juicy +20% monster damage to mag dump into

[slender elm]

True...

It's also generally more useful

[narrow widget]

ehhhh

I don't like how long it takes to get max ft stacks

[mystic pilot]

the krak keep going for the plasma gunner and the mauler

when IM in front of them

but if I go behind them it will stick where I throw it

it wont even stick to the gunner in front, always either the plasma gunner or the mauler

[slender elm]

Carapace armor detected

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it prioritizes enemies with carapace

[mystic pilot]

I mean... I just watched it do a 90 degree yeet toward the carapace

[slender elm]

Ye, magnetic

Lel

[mystic pilot]

sometime it would bounce from the plasma gunner to the mauler

[slender elm]

That seems to be a design choice

[mystic pilot]

I would throw grenade at the right one

then it bounce to the plasma

[slender elm]

Melee armor higher priority

[mystic pilot]

then the mauler and then kaboom

I mean its just funny to see it bounce two targets to get to the mauler

[slender elm]

It is yes

But logically you wouldn't krak a plasma gunner

So game decides ooh mauler

[mystic pilot]

I was talking about it bouncing from the gunner on right to the plasma gunner, then bounced to the mauler before exploding 😛

its so silly

[slender elm]

Yeh, it bouncing to the plasma gunner is expected because carapace helmet, bouncing again to mauler is silly

But plasma gunners are easier to kill

So it makes sense

I've been running around with rashad

It feels like my cleave is quite shit for such a slow weapon

I have bromentum too

[austere mica]

Because it is

And your angles aren't great from bromentum

[tall torrent]

ok zealot sections done

[mystic pilot]

WOOOO! third mastery completed

[slender elm]

I miss my chainaxe

[mystic pilot]

Martyr is the one that want bonus wounds and have them depleted yea?

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[slender elm]

Ye

I'm seeing people running around with 4 wounds on non martyr zealots and im not sure if its worth

Worth the skill point i mean

[hollow ibex]

Marty is a lot of fun

And good

You’re still really durable tbh

[slender elm]

non martyr

[rugged jasper]

Whats the best build for Veteran? I'm new to the game but feels like I'm not using Veteran to the best it can be

[slender elm]

Also seeing people with 7 wounds and i just facepalm

[hollow ibex]

Oh lol

Yah then cringe

[hollow ibex]

Check pinned guide

Meta vet is a hybrid melee ranged class

[rugged jasper]

Oh I didn't see that thank you

[autumn bramble]

whoever told me combat shotgun was average was wrong i think

i love it

[hollow ibex]

Path thinks its average

[autumn bramble]

in terms of weapon feel its 10/10

[tall torrent]

it is

[autumn bramble]

its just so satisfying to use

mine is only 360 too

[hollow ibex]

Ur average

[tall torrent]

ik I am

[autumn bramble]

maybe i just suck with the slower guns?

but i like it a lot more than the helbore

[narrow widget]

smh path spreading misinformation

[tall torrent]

I think it's top 6~7 vet gun (and vet has 12 guns total)

so yea pretty avg

[narrow widget]

A tier in a sea of S tiers 💔

[tall torrent]

no it's just that of the 12 guns vet has, this is 6~7

[narrow widget]

I lowk don't think there are 6 guns better than it tbh

[tall torrent]

plasma, revolver, vig auto 3, inf auto 5, boltgun, helbore

this alrdy 6

[distant plaza]

dockets bonus on zealot curios? 👀

[tall torrent]

I like money

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

if it's the guide ur asking abt

[narrow widget]

i think combat shotgun > vig auto or inf auto

[tall torrent]

think I'll do arb now that zealot is done

[narrow widget]

but I also could just be bad

[tall torrent]

nah vig auto 3 actually hits super good breakpoints (even into havoc)
a feat combat shotgun can only dream of

and inf auto 5 is best ranged dps

[grand sable]

I need a vox replacement for my throat

[tall torrent]

or hive scum?

[narrow widget]

can u separate out the class stuff into diff guides
way 2 much scrolling for one steam guide

[tall torrent]

noe

just use navigation panel and jump ahead

[narrow widget]

dam

[tall torrent]

even if I separate into diff guides it's just gonna be a ton of repetition

[narrow widget]

tru

[orchid hemlock]

Do Arbi because I can't stand these stupid fucking pub Arbis a second longer

[tall torrent]

damn ok

[spare jolt]

theyre cool u need to do for psykers

they make my eyes bleed

[narrow widget]

pub arbys probably arent reading ts

[tall torrent]

psyker is last

[autumn bramble]

hive scum guide should include team etiquette

[narrow widget]

theyre scums they wont listen smh

[spare jolt]

well i wont listen fs

.d

[autumn bramble]

i feel like 30% are a pleasure to play with

but the rest are uhh vocal

[mystic pilot]

Agripinaa Mk VII is pretty amazing I thought

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[serene bough]

how do you build vig 3

i thought vig autoguns were garbage

[tall torrent]

maniac, flak, surgical, deadly accurate

[serene bough]

what other talents assuming standard build template

MF keystone?

[tall torrent]

same build as plasma lol

[serene bough]

oh ok

[tall torrent]

I play this for plasma

but for vig auto, swap 1 point somewhere for rending strikes instead

prob grenadier

[serene bough]

makes sense

thank you

[tall torrent]

it's playable without rending strikes but feels better with it

[serene bough]

ill try both

i dont think ive ever used the vig autogun before

[hollow ibex]

it is, path just spends too much time playing weapon specialist vet

[pseudo fiber]

+30% exp purely for ego reasons is the real meta

[plucky sphinx]

Is the "no keystone, infernus, recon lasgun + dueling sword build" still a thing? Haven't played in a while and wondering if I should build something else before trying to actually get into higher difficulties again

[signal temple]

Anyone have a half decent PS plasma build they would be willing to share

[hollow ibex]

i mean you can run that, it's just not meta or even efficient

[tall torrent]

template

and the exact build I run

[slender elm]

Uh huh

I'm running shout and ft, guess I can try something else

Also do I want reload speed nodes for bolter

[tall torrent]

grab tac reload

[slender elm]

Will do

[tepid otter]

Anyone else having Backend errors

[hollow ibex]

bolter WS will not be a good time...

swap speed is too slow even with OM

[slender elm]

I just run it for the crit and ammo from reserve

What else u gon take tho, ft?

[hollow ibex]

the reload is very not worth it on bolter, it's what

1 round everytime you proc WS?

FT or MMF are way better options

[slender elm]

Hmm

But reload speed on ws

[hollow ibex]

you get 3% of your ammo back your mag with every 3 melee kills in the best case scenario

3.3%

[slender elm]

Yeah so i can proc tac reload

[hollow ibex]

you can proc tac reload by just not magdumping the full mag

instead of wasting a keystone slot

[slender elm]

But full auto go brr

Lel

Right

I feel like I dont hit heads often enough with bolter, but eh, I'll try mmf

[agile mortar]

For the fast

[hollow ibex]

mobility doesn't make much of a difference to sprint speed

[distant mural]

Bolter needs exe stance.

Idk why everyone picks shout when they wanna snipe.

[steep flower]

Tac reload is enough

[steep flower]

Just don’t go magdump everytime; pay attention to your ammo & you’ll be good

[slender elm]

Shout staggers so you can put a shot in before everyone gets back to killing you

[steep flower]

Cause it stops everything around you from pestering you while you shout + its best for boss dps cause you keep it in place for easy headshots where most of your dps comes from as vet

[distant mural]

Exe stance goves you mich more stability for hitting follow ups

[distant mural]

I think exe stance gives much more utility in that regard cause it makes hitting shots easyer.

[steep flower]

Recoil is managable & one can get used to it its not bad
Unless you play on a controller then my condolences

[distant mural]

And you could also just work on positioning instead of relying on shout

[steep flower]

It can but shout provides better safety = better

[steep flower]

That you do everytime

Even with shout

[distant mural]

I guess its safer yeah

But id still use ither weapins with shout

And a more melee centered build.

[steep flower]

Use FT; MMF is a nice choice but usually its best to get FT cause alot of talents are on the way to it so you don’t overspend

• killing bosses & key targets

Yes; not weird but just bad too
Rev it up is a meme blessing i suggest not using it

[steep flower]

Get Field Improv

[agile mortar]

Counterpoint
funne

the whole reason I'm using it is because it's memey
also I like being fast in all games

[steep flower]

Funny does not equal good
If you like being fast… use a knife

[slender elm]

Usually don't lel

[unreal nova]

Papa, you know people play selfishly, it's just how it is.

[steep flower]

Someone has to fight it tho
I gladly do

[steep flower]

Should always be taken

[quick shell]

Bath literally doesn’t take it

[steep flower]

He does not
His mistake

Ppl undervalue FI like crazy; shit can really provide alot, carry even in clutch situations

[unreal nova]

True. But then again, it comes with being a loot gremlin so you actually have them.

[unreal nova]

It's kinda why I'm surprised when a clear newbie has it.

[quick shell]

But it can also do nothing which is the issue

[steep flower]

Nah; extra grenades, faster heal = you don’t just sit in the med pack for 5 years to heal up & corruption heal so you don’t get 1 shot by a burster or even poxers if you already have corruption
Yesterday vet had FI and it allowed to clutch hard vs rotten cause str stimm + rockets is balanced; i can’t tell how many i fired that game but atleast 10+

[analog mural]

If there was a way for your teammates to know you had it without needing to tell them(or drop a crate), I feel like it would be taken a lot more

[steep flower]

Sadly no…

@sudden cedar remember yesterdays havoc? How many rocket clutches i pulled out?

[steep flower]

There were ppl who thought vet himself has to carry & drop for extra effect to occur
Bad tooltip for the ability puts it down in that regard

[analog mural]

Yeah I don't know why I even suggest qol for this game, FS hasn't even implemented numeric UI and this game is like 3 years old now

[slender elm]

numeric ui isnt even a thing for vermintide

and how old is that?

[steep flower]

It is
They literally implemented it from a MOD and still fked up cause they only implemented it partially so many ppl still use the mod cause it still provides better info than the one implemented in the game from said mod

[slender elm]

🤮

[steep flower]

I witnessed it; it was KEKtacular

[slender elm]

fucks sake

[steep flower]

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Everything is better with rockets.

[west dirge]

hey everyone, new-ish player here 60 hours in trying to climb havoc. i've been using plasma gun with dueling sword, but i'm a bit stuck on the talent tree. i've been following some guides from youtube from some well known theorycrafting guy but i found havoc to be too chaotic with heavies to just rely on my sword, so i changed to this talent tree instead (can't post screen so i'll leave a link) - https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0c77c01-9edc-40d9-b11e-f124bc182a5a/look-at-talents-pls
is there any finetuning i can do or is this pretty much as meta as i can get?

[quick shell]

there's a guide in the pins

Tree looks generally fine, maybe 1-2 points that could be swapped around, but I don't think it'll seriously make or break the setup. Havoc just generally relies on player skill to keep track of and manage hordes

[unreal nova]

Needs to show which vet has it imo.

[west dirge]

i know, but i was lookin for a more direct chat with people. about the points, i noticed a lot of people only taking like one toughness regen perk. i tried that and got absolutely demolished so i guess they rely more on positioning and dodging and teammates which i can't do with randoms

[quick shell]

it should just do something to show it's active on the medkit, that's all it needs

[quick shell]

it's not relying on teammates, it's just positions, dodging, blocking and pushing

[unreal nova]

No, should be something visible even in lobby.

[steep flower]

On ammo crate too

[unreal nova]

It's just something you don't want to stack, but also good to know if it's worth dropping the medkit now or holding it.

Think everyone has only corruption damage before a wound, next station is a distance away.

Might be okay to drop now if Improv, but useless if not.

[tame lodge]

Serrated Blade is a very odd choice for Dueling Sword

[soft flint]

Guys what do you think, is it worth spending all 900 of my aquilas on the Commissar Yarrick bolt pistol skin?

[tame lodge]

Also frags would pair better with dueling sword

[soft flint]

im going for a commissar build as well so it would fit nicely

[azure narwhal]

I personally don't like weapon skins much, too expensive for what you get. I'd rather just use weapon customizer, people can barely see your weapons in active combat anyways

[soft flint]

weapon customizer?

that like a mod or something?

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, it's client side ofc. Join the modding discord for more on it though, the latest update messed with a lot

[soft flint]

ah I see

[calm shard]

can being the operative word here

FI is very situational

[unreal nova]

If you like it.

[slender elm]

Mostly more grenades lel

[steep flower]

And those save games like hell

[slender elm]

Indeed

[unreal nova]

I always miss it on my plasma and recon builds.

Bleed gud when bulwarks are being a pain.

And your teammates simply refuses to hit them in the back.

[tame lodge]

I do get the whole comfort node thing (out for blood is mine)
But Serrated Blade still odd choice for Dueling Sword

[slender elm]

Is it?

Fast swings, rending nodes

[west dirge]

How come? Everyone mentions how good it is for horde clear and such. Maybe its worth dropping for grenadier or ammo reload keystone? Also as i said initially i tried frags but crushers become overwhelming and kraks for me just made life so much easier.

[slender elm]

Well dueling sword has shit cleave, serrated isn't going to help it

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword's 4.5 cleave really gets beaten by the havoc horde mass

[slender elm]

Against armor i think its fine tho

Just throw a bunch of stacks on mauler

Or crusher

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword is also a good elites killer so kraks might be a little redundant

Frags AoE bleed + Uncanny Strike interaction also exists

Which pairs perfectly

[west dirge]

Its prolly a skill issue on my part. In the 20 havoc range where im at i get so sucked in trying to melee crushers that i end up getting hit from behind or smth so kraks are just ezwin

[slender elm]

Dont run dueling then

Can do chainsword, hsword

Devil's claw

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword does create some bad habits yeah

Lol

[west dirge]

I do have a power sword or whatever its called. Tried playing around in the meat grinder thing but it feels off even for normals

[slender elm]

Like forgetting heavies exist

[unreal nova]

That's more than the mk3 shivs?

[tame lodge]

I currently don't know the shivs cleave

But I'm betting 3 on lights

[unreal nova]

Specifically for mk3.

[tame lodge]

More than combat Blade light's

[slender elm]

Do shivs have access to perfect strike

[unreal nova]

I know 1 has less.

[unreal nova]

Excuse me, I like out for blood. Is also why I hate having an oggy steal my bleed stacks.

Because frags take too long to pop.

[slender elm]

How does this stealing stacks thing work

[unreal nova]

Whoever applies the DoT first owns the stack.

[hearty panther]

'Dot ownership'

[unreal nova]

It means I don't get toughness when they die.

Which can spiral horribly.

[slender elm]

Bleed count as melee kill?

[hearty panther]

Out 4 Blood grants toughness from any kill in any way

[unreal nova]

Out for blood gives you +5% toughness from any kill you do.

Even bleed.

[slender elm]

Oh

[hearty panther]

We eagerly await its sequel, Out 4 Blood 2

[slender elm]

I missed that

Out 4 blood flopped

Idk if they're doing anything still

[unreal nova]

It's just, not as good as just L4D2.

[slender elm]

Track record bad

[unreal nova]

Like, you pay less than $5 for L4D2 on sales.

You can mod it however you want.

Play thousands of custom maps.

[slender elm]

The fact that they lost to a sequel of a game they made, after that sequel is a decade old, is telling

[unreal nova]

Not all are good, but that's just workshop.

[unreal nova]

They didn't make it tbh.

Valve edited alot of it.

[slender elm]

They made first, no?

[unreal nova]

If you saw the original idea.

Valve trimmed it down, made the loop as you see. Removed excess animations you can just mod back in.

Pointless bloat back when the avg PC has 100 GB - 150GB space.

[slender elm]

Hm

[hearty panther]

Back when a game being 10GB was a looooooot

[tame lodge]

Back 4 Blood food build op 2026 not bait

[unreal nova]

Yep. Now, 200 GB games exist... I'm like, did someone FORGET optimisations in multiple ways?

[slender elm]

Sigh, i wished for evolve to be good but their launch was a dumpster fire

[silver patrol]

don't worry

highguard will save us

[unreal nova]

Like, does that tree in the backgroud need to be half a gig big?

[slender elm]

From says yes

Then again I've heard horror stories of interns shrinking a full size pirate ship to put in a bottle as a background decoration

[hearty panther]

Optimization is an expensive, long, and not even a guaranteed process. Data/Storage is cheap. That's just how it is sadly.

Like Helldivers 2 put out a patch that slimmed the game from 150GB~ to 30GB.

This was definitely more important when your game had to physically fit on a CD ROM

[slender elm]

That and they keep firing people who know to to fix the metaphorical elevators, and people can only use stairs

[hearty panther]

Even with prices being a bit crazy right now I can go out and pick up 1TB of space on an SSD for about $100-200. Ten years ago that was almost a grand.

(Depending on the write speed you wanted anyway)

[buoyant aurora]

These stairs go up

[hearty panther]

AZUMGI

[unreal nova]

True, but not everyone can afford to just upgrade. Is really why I play indies more. Having like 600 GB of space to work with is hard when every game wants like 100 GB.

[slender elm]

I bet dwarven architecture has loads of stairs

[unreal nova]

Even if they look like a 4GB game.

[slender elm]

I have also completely given up on triple A

[hearty panther]

It's only in the last six months that I find myself wanting more space personally. I've got one 500GB SSD and one 500GB HDD from 2011 lol

Anyway I've been playing Blue Prince lately and it rocks.

[slender elm]

Their games are polished crap

[unreal nova]

I simply can't play many games due to no space.

[slender elm]

And that's an overstatement

[unreal nova]

I have 20GB free atm.

Biggest games alone eat up slightly below 400GB of it.

And that's 4 games btw.

[steep flower]

No shit

[unreal nova]

Waiting for a discount.

[azure narwhal]

Holy sigmar... how many more stairs?!

[undone trout]

cmon Saltzpyre... maybe the portal beacon... maybe its made of chocolate. eheh, eheheheh

[slender elm]

unexpected l4d2 reference but ok

[undone trout]

i saw "how many stairs" and the scene popped into my head

that cinematic lives rent free in my brain

[slender elm]

i dont remember where its from but i remember the line

lel

[undone trout]

the opening cinematic/trailer when you open the game

[quick shell]

I mean dsword is good for killing elites and surviving, it's pretty shit into hordes. If you wanted something that does hordes and elites, psword is a strong contender (also a strong contender for best melee in the game )

[trim badger]

Dead Center trailer

[slender elm]

no i mean the saltzpyre line

both, now that i think of it

🤔

[viral elk]

[undone trout]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d2-left-4-dead-2-coach-nick-chocolate-helicopter-gif-10370589298567150330

[viral elk]

can't decide on veteran build

😔

[undone trout]

shotgun.

[viral elk]

never seen any1 use that

[undone trout]

theres a lot of things ive never seen but are probably very good too

[heavy rover]

helbore

when in doubt, helbore

[azure narwhal]

Combat shotgun and double barrel are hilariously busted with the right build

But yeah depends on what you want

Railcannon vs heretic remover stick

[undone trout]

"this, is a boomstick"

[azure narwhal]

Yeees

[slender elm]

double barrel very fun yes

[undone trout]

im curious about your builds good sir

[slender elm]

makes me miss my grudgeraker ranger vet

[sharp epoch]

db is good but it kinda makes veteran redundant and competes with other class roles

[quick shell]

are these class roles in the room with us right now

[sharp epoch]

its like arbitrator with exe shotgyn bur way less tankier and with a worse gun

[azure narwhal]

I can... sort of? See your point
Mixed horde clear being your primary strength is definitely not a bad thing, it's true that it is not exactly "exceptional" at carapace however WS route gets all right side melee buffs making whatever melee you bring fairly good at that. Cole uses shovel

Also definitely not tbh

Arbitrator has nowhere near the ranged pressure sustain

All i see from arbs spamming their exe shotguns is either cluelessness or empty ammo

[quick shell]

I mean in havoc arb should be running agri not exe shotgun anyway

[viral elk]

o shie

found a build

only 1 upvote tho lmao

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05a44cf-d9ca-4c4f-b973-d49cdd4b5312/combat-shottie-vet-havoc-40

[quick shell]

because they took a shotgun with half the ammo and the same damage breakpoints as a combat shotgun lmao

[azure narwhal]

🤷‍♂️

[unreal nova]

But the 2 shot gun... Shotpistol.

[viral elk]

wait wat

[azure narwhal]

That depends. I got 5 builds i cycle 🤔. Though my trees don't look much different at all from what you'd find in pinned guides

[viral elk]

blud is running maniacs and unyielding on the shotgun

is that normal

[undone trout]

i mean your double barreled and combat shotgun builds, if you have them

[unreal nova]

Unyielding is okay if you magdump bosses.

[undone trout]

only cause im new to veteran, relatively

[unreal nova]

Special shot into dump.

[undone trout]

i love the idea of swapping between shotgun and melee, blasting and then meleeing then blasting again

[unreal nova]

Fullbore no respite

But that's not for horde clear.

[viral elk]

only enough to buy 1 wep

[azure narwhal]

WS for double barrel, MMF for combat.

[viral elk]

rng gods save me

[unreal nova]

RIP.

[viral elk]

ayo

i got blessed

65% mov speed 75% ammo rest 80

[quick shell]

I mean, that's fine I guess

I'd just go play 1-2 and then go grab a proper roll

[viral elk]

well gotta take what i can get

[unreal nova]

This sucks for combat lul.

[azure narwhal]

[viral elk]

it could of been way worse

[unreal nova]

Combat shotgun has a funny ammo breakpoint.

79% to 80% is 1 shot in clip.

[viral elk]

hmm

[quick shell]

ah yeah LOL

[viral elk]

gah dam

so better to take one i got with 76% dmg and 80% ammo

[unreal nova]

Never dump damage.

[quick shell]

no lmao

better to keep rolling

[viral elk]

i caant

i have literally 7k coins

😭

made builds on other classes too

[unreal nova]

Just use it, play with it.

Get a better one down the line.

[quick shell]

then either roll a suboptimal and get a better when you can or go run some more

[unreal nova]

Or ask someone really good to carry you h40 so next week you get stonks to play with.

[quick shell]

LOL

[viral elk]

lmao

[quick shell]

Time to call ainz

[viral elk]

i havent tried havoc yet

[unreal nova]

Hamdolsun offers it.

[viral elk]

hardest back when i played was them auric maelstroms

[unreal nova]

VECT offers it.

Kejetok also offers at times.

[quick shell]

so this is why i keep finding people with 40 clearance that clearly cant play the game

[unreal nova]

Not really, most of the people getting help know not to actually search h40.

Though one can be carried even in a pug setting.

[azure narwhal]

This does happen though unironically

Yesterday

Random arb in my team h40

Shooting carapace with braced autogun in full seriousness

[quick shell]

yeah it does happen

[azure narwhal]

Waltuh, put your gun away waltuh

[unreal nova]

Also, I know there's paid services off the Discord.

You have money, you can buy true survivor.

[quick shell]

how much does it cost

im so curious actually

LOL

[unreal nova]

Last I saw, a casual win is $10~. TS is way more.

[quick shell]

I mean, that's pretty good money if u can clear consistently

[unreal nova]

It was an out of curiousity thing.

Considering you know how boosting is in any game with MMR or ranks.

[unreal nova]

Hey, I shoot them with vraks and dual autos.

With 25% rending lul.

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[unreal nova]

In malice.

XD

[slender elm]

welp, taking exe stance and mmf actually works really well for plasma

who knew

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/thik-hai-gif-17806174085726369254

Fair game

[unreal nova]

Not me. I still run shout and WS.

[tame lodge]

Erm
Arby's mid therefore anything not Arby's is better

[azure narwhal]

Base class superiority

[unreal nova]

I mean, malice is literally where anything goes. So kapp.

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patric-star-happy-wow-gif-24406277

Malice

It even sounds like the gif

Somehow

[undone trout]

cheers, though what about a weapons specialist combat shottie with clip size taken, is that suboptimal or something?

[azure narwhal]

Having fun in a videogame? Pshhhht

[unreal nova]

Hey, there's time for srs and then there's... why are you just... what even is that build?

[azure narwhal]

Railcannon combat shottie :P

[azure narwhal]

If you're gonna go WS invest into right and middle tree more

Benefit from melee

Zarona combat shottie with MMF literally eats crushers

Its funni

[undone trout]

ill have to try it

[unreal nova]

Ah yes. Funni. XD

[azure narwhal]

Wait are you just seeing this now O;

Who talked about this before... gunpsyker guy i think it was

Or orcka too

[undone trout]

shotty want a slug, bottles in the club

[unreal nova]

More ppl just plasma plasma plasma in games I play.

Or recon.

[azure narwhal]

Ah

💀

[unreal nova]

Them even pulling out melee...

Is like rolling a god roll plasma.

No wonder why so many find on overwatch that hard.

Even on recon, you get to path to the -0.25 stam delay, but they don't even block.

[azure narwhal]

Damn

[unreal nova]

Is all the way to damns even.

[unreal nova]

Is why heresy sometime more stressful than aurics lul.

[slender elm]

i still havent done on overwatch

[steep flower]

Skill issue locks achievements & victories in equal measure

[slender elm]

always some sneaky poxwalker stabbing me in the arse

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[unreal nova]

Shovel is enough for malice. My GF did it at lvl 3.

[undone trout]

i was confused when i tried zarona in psyk, i think you mean agripinaa lol

[slender elm]

i might have skill issue

[undone trout]

the one with the slug special fire

[slender elm]

actually i probably have skill issue

[unreal nova]

Hey, I'm a pile of lag and skill issues.

[slender elm]

but then again, fucking asia region

[tame lodge]

Fraudvoc 40 players when Heresy walks in

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-gif-5928675730449509852

[unreal nova]

Is more, the forced to clutch thing gets tiring at times.

The stress of knowing if you make a mistake then, there goes it.

But my silly build breakpoints.

[steep flower]

More like panic than skill issue

[unreal nova]

Sometimes, it's easier to know you are the worst than the best.

[unreal nova]

Both.

Less weight on your shoulders in a way.

[undone trout]

alright i got the railcannon shotgun build going with a couple adjustments, this shit slaps

[unreal nova]

You should know that well, panic or not doesn't change it.

[steep flower]

Ye cause you get dragged behind like a sack of panic potatoes

Its either my shoulders or my back; does not make much dif to me

You’re still our beloved morale boosting panic inducing aura bot girl

[unreal nova]

That was more in relations of... it sometimes feels more comforting knowing you are the worst instead of the best...

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

Someone has to be worse so that others may be best; its not bad to be ‚bad’ per say as long as you have your place

[slender elm]

ah darn it

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but it's more the mental load?

[slender elm]

i barreled myself with warp slash

[unreal nova]

How.

[quick shell]

self barreling psyker? neat

[slender elm]

i warp slash then ran forward, on a narrow bridge in archivum

[silver patrol]

huge hitbox hits barrells to the side of you

owned

[slender elm]

welp, skill issue

oh great, a smyker joined

[unreal nova]

Rather a self barreling smyker though, funnier.

[unreal nova]

RIP.

Tell us when they die to backstabs or overhead from behind.

[slender elm]

they immediately died to pox bursters

[silver patrol]

i actually found a cracked smyker today

he was actually playing it well (as in, he has positional awareness)

[unreal nova]

XD

[unreal nova]

I mean, is really rare for smykers.

[topaz lance]

great builds, I should revisit the exe + WF souble barrel vet

[azure narwhal]

Thanks, good luck!

[slender elm]

and we ded

[unreal nova]

Blep.

[slender elm]

fucking trapper from behind

[unreal nova]

The classic.

[slender elm]

couldnt hear it

[topaz lance]

I would choose longshot over one motion for shotties though tbh

[azure narwhal]

Depends on what you want to do. Agrip is better at sniping but zarona does superior flak and carapace work

[slender elm]

then somehow they didnt kill the trapper before trying to help me

[azure narwhal]

Up to you, if i run WS i run swap speed, personally

[slender elm]

sigh

[unreal nova]

I usually do hear, but the directioning is so off.

[azure narwhal]

They small changes so

Why not, go for it

[slender elm]

i keep spending my range charges trying to tactical reload my foken db

[unreal nova]

Happens. Is why some ppl just run always prepared.

[slender elm]

its fucking muscle memory and i cringe when i do it

like, engagement over, downtime, immediately swap and press r

[unreal nova]

I do it trying to quick reload plasma.

Forgetting you can sprint cancel.

Because quick reloading flamer lul.

[topaz lance]

yeah same here...

[undone trout]

no way you say zarona does superior work for those

[azure narwhal]

If ye return to post convos

Both are good but zarona kicks harder overall with exe and MMF

[quick shell]

yeah that seems about right

is that all headshots tho

[azure narwhal]

Hence, railcannon build

[azure narwhal]

Oh i'm not sure... that's fairly old by now, i mean more in general

But i think they might be looking at the specials

You just m1 spam

[undone trout]

idk, you'd think one shotting a crusher with the agri slug is more railcannon

[azure narwhal]

Agri slug is fun but slow as damn

[undone trout]

reload speed on special kill

[azure narwhal]

It doesn't outdo zarona

[undone trout]

plus if you take the mmf slot that increases stacks to 15

[azure narwhal]

Which just has to spam m1

You can if you like, however it is a little redundant

Again both are good

[undone trout]

also fairly certain agri m1

[azure narwhal]

Just depends on what you want to do

[undone trout]

is equal to zarona m1

it has a bit more rending to it i think

plus if you take the extra rending on mmf

idk id love to see you showcase it because my setup is not done yet

weapon is shit

[azure narwhal]

I'll get on later and show you, shore. Also you don't have to bother with that, if you want more damage you can just grab 15 stacks of MMF n call it a day

[undone trout]

fuck me does this setup annihlate bosses though

[azure narwhal]

Ye, mmf combat shotty is great dps overall

Though being selective with targets regardless doesn't hurt, so you don't go ammo hungry

[undone trout]

yeah

surely the ranged weakspot node at the top is a far better option?

and the reason i say agri is better is because it synergizes more with the ranged backline role

you get the distance damage buff and wont be targeted by melee as much

[azure narwhal]

What, exhilarating? Bit overkill tbh you don't need more survivability

Also again up to you but both work

Exe stance and confirmed kill let vet frontline well enough

[slender elm]

exe stance is so weird

[undone trout]

fair fair, just min maxing is all. depends on your comp i suppose

[slender elm]

like, you just need highlighted targets to die and you get extended duration?

[azure narwhal]

There's not really a comp unless you premake really. I don't assign a role to myself, the role is to kill everything

So if you don't have friends

Forget about backline and safety

Pugs are literally microwave brain

[undone trout]

ye tru dat

[azure narwhal]

So yeah

This is why i don't make pretentious or support builds

[undone trout]

tho my real thinking is finding what synergizes most with the build and brings everything together

[azure narwhal]

Ye, course

[tall torrent]

No, u urself have to get the kills

[dull goblet]

can I run focus target with Helbore or do I need Marksman Focus? I find it hard to maintain stacks especially while being horded from behind lol

[tall torrent]

U can do focus target as well

It’s a more generalist bonus

MF just scales with Helbore’s damage model a bit better

[slender elm]

Oh

[dull goblet]

Thanks thats great to know, I'll keep on trying MF but I find it hard to weave in melee and maintaining stacks at the same time

[slender elm]

Should i be shooting at crushers if i have exe stance on then

Your build did take the node for big bois

For plasma

[unreal nova]

You need to kill them yourself.

[frigid rover]

-exhilarating, confirmed kill, iron will, MMF subnodes
-stand around in a horde plinking at funny yellow silhouettes
wheeee its so fun! as long as i dont run out of shotgunners i cannot be harmed by mortal hands

[unreal nova]

I think hybird support builds are fine. Shout can always be used selfishly, even FI. 20 frags boom lul.

[tall torrent]

depends on the gun but the usual answer is no

they're rly just an enemy type made for u to melee

and no, wouldn't shoot them with plasma, complete waste of ammo

[unreal nova]

Better to not waste but... Shrugs.

[azure narwhal]

Definitely. In some scenarios this can be pulled off really well fs. Psyker gets away easily with bubble bcoz inferno broken for example

[slender elm]

Ok den

[tall torrent]

in lower diff u can shoot them with plasma cuz u don't get a lot of them + they have less hp + u have more ammo than u need

[unreal nova]

Yep. Really just playstyle for most parts anyway.

[frigid rover]

bounce lots of rounds off of crusher heads so your teammates roll their eyes at the dumb veteran magdumping crushers
then outkill everyone anyway

[slender elm]

Does not taking melee damage include damage to toughness

For overwatch

[unreal nova]

Toughness is fine.

You cannot be hit after by melee.

[slender elm]

I see

[unreal nova]

They can shoot you to 1 hp and you'll still get it.

It's literally just never lose hp to melee.

[slender elm]

Not been to malice diff since forever

So lets see

[unreal nova]

Take a CC weapon or go knife/DS.

Depends on playstyle.

I dodge way more so the latter is easier for me.

[slender elm]

I'll just shovel with my db shotty

Probs

[steep flower]

Rare for anyone

[steep flower]

It does tho

[steep flower]

Use tactical reload; its better

[undone trout]

yaeh i realized that a second ago lol

takes some different pathing tho

[unreal nova]

I know. I run on panic, remember?

[steep flower]

Panicium

[unreal nova]

Hrm?

[undone trout]

how? are you comparing m1s only?

[woeful oak]

God I love me power sword

Simple as

[undone trout]

one slug from agri will do like 5x the dps of zarona

against carapace

on the same build

even then, the m1s are so close in dps, its a toss up which is better i think

[steep flower]

I mean… look how much dmg both weapons do vs flak & carapace together with blessing pool
Not that you wanna shoot crushers in general

[woeful oak]

Stab shovel feels so good too

[undone trout]

yeah see if you compare m1s only, zarona probably does more damage. but agri slug outclasses anything zarona can do against armour

[slow sky]

I would marry my shovel if I could

[thorny egret]

can't, I married it during the beta

[woeful oak]

What other vet weapons are capable of interrupting ragers mid combo?

[hollow ibex]

Psword Rashad

[primal zealot]

shmaul

[hollow ibex]

Chaxe

Taxe

There are prob others

[primal zealot]

knife

[tough nova]

Dclaw interrupts it by killing them if that counts

Dbs as well

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide, see weapon sections' stagger breakpoints

[azure narwhal]

@undone trout just random previews since ya asked

citrs r where it shines best

[undone trout]

nice

i am curious to see the agri on the same setup, as well as runnin tactical reload with slugs

[azure narwhal]

tactical reload is quite a big tax tbh

you'd lose out on dps on the long run since ultimately both combat shotguns are just m1 spamming contest

special is just kinda there

[undone trout]

the toughness on kills is pretty big tho so its not just tactical reload

[azure narwhal]

out for blood? it's okay

not exceptional

[undone trout]

think about how much time you spend reloading with the shotty

thats a dps loss

[azure narwhal]

you already have mmf and exe stance buffing reload speed

dropping good damage talents is a larger hit

you can refer to some build skeletons in this chat's pins

[undone trout]

executioners stance doesnt buff reload speed?

[azure narwhal]

oh, just MMF then, forgor

[undone trout]

mmf is only 15% max

[azure narwhal]

i mean, if you want to take it by all means

i don't find the need for it

and out for blood is unneeded toughness

vet has toughness sources by the gallon

[undone trout]

if anything, you could probably repurpose the 10% melee attack speed buff

[azure narwhal]

depends on melee weapons

some allow for it

[narrow widget]

"hmm yes today i will regen toughness"

[quick shell]

I don't think u need toughness regen when ur ability is ALWAYS A ton of toughness regen

[tall torrent]

tada

[azure narwhal]

infiltrate... run!!11!!

[tall torrent]

this is arb tree

[narrow widget]

arb tree

[azure narwhal]

oh lol

[undone trout]

yea, im thinkin arbies

[azure narwhal]

my infiltrate racism kicked in immediately

[quick shell]

dont think, just persecute.

[azure narwhal]

trve

it is 40k

[undone trout]

really i just like out for blood for when im getting swarmed in melee and cant refresh executioners stance

that with tactical reload probs makes taking a talent away from 10% attack speed just fine

since duelling sword lel

also isnt tunnel vision overkill?

[tough nova]

The arbites update provided additional reload speed baseline to shotties iirc. the reload speed is a luxury for the most part you can generate better value elsewhere

[still dove]

is charge rate being the dump fine?

[tall torrent]

if ur broke, go for thermal dump

[azure narwhal]

no due to it being toughness gen overall, it is one of the good toughness sources vet has, people usually only take base MMF + tunnel

allows you to outgun quite a lot

[tough nova]

There is a sweet spot with thermal/charge rate i think you want 71 charge rate 69 thermal for max shots before overheat without wasting stat allocation. Someone probably knows for sure but it looks something like that.

[still dove]

yea i saw

im going to try to get it rn

[tough nova]

Godspeed.

[quick shell]

71 cr, 69 tr or about 70/70 really

[unreal nova]

68/72 min.

[quick shell]

it's a fucking pain tho

[quick shell]

68 doesn't guarantee it

it's 69 to guarantee

[unreal nova]

That's the min, you get and test.

[undone trout]

i guess if anything could go, its longshot. really do think the 25% extra reload speed will increase dps far more than 10% more damage at short ranges. if you're going agri sniping longshot looks better but with that zarona playstyle i dont see the necessity

[unreal nova]

If you can shoot 8 times in a row, it's a good one and you get microsecs faster quick shots.

[undone trout]

whats the deal with Marksman? 20% strength on weakspot hits for 10 seconds after combat ability

[tall torrent]

If weakspot hit, gain +20% strength
If not, nada

[undone trout]

dont see anyone taking it

[narrow widget]

idt most people take it lol

[tall torrent]

Because vet has the worst CD regen talent of all classes in the game and red nodes’ uptime are meh

[unreal nova]

Went from best to worst.

[tall torrent]

Nah it was never best

[unreal nova]

FS balancing.

[tall torrent]

IoD was better
Psyk aura was better

[unreal nova]

We don't talk Psyker.

Clearly the dev's precious.

[real loom]

2 true

[unreal nova]

That thing was hyper busted, busted, still good but selfish and still decent now.

[tall torrent]

It could get better in the future but likely won’t return in the way it was

[real loom]

they nerfed/changed old gun vet and moved everything it did into hive scum desperado plus more

[tall torrent]

There’s a nonzero chance that red nodes become refreshable with stance

I always thought it was weird that it didn’t

[distant dune]

Asking here because it’s mostly the professional who says them, what are all the enemy codes and which enemies do they correspond to?

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[tawny timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXCz2PRlWOg

is mister E tripping

why does he want to nerf everything

[distant dune]

Danke!

[tall torrent]

yes

[hollow ibex]

Imagine watching Mr E

[tame lodge]

Always

[tawny timber]

genuinely he said "abilities should not scale with the number of enemies"

[unreal nova]

I mean, they also got some now removed zealot nodes.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-smoke-funny-gif-25177516

[tawny timber]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-weekend-brain-goodbye-brain-trash-gif-5709446

[tall torrent]

wat is that supposed to mean

[tawny timber]

like veteran getting grenades back on specialist/elite kill

and psyker doing infinity damage

he thinks they need to be capped

[tall torrent]

psyker yes
veteran also yes but to a lesser extent

frags can use a small nerf to its base

[tawny timber]

i feel like its less of a psyker problem and more of an inferno staff problem

[tall torrent]

no it's a psyker problem

[distant dune]

Meanwhile I play a shite psyker whose only saving grace is being a tank

[tawny timber]

me too

[tame lodge]

Psyker ignoring half of the game mechanics because funny

[unreal nova]

I mean, which (glass)class gets so much TDR and DR because?

[void dragon]

Psyker skipping mechanics imo is fine

the real issue is that there is no real cost

high peril should be near a death sentence that unlocks your capacity to level Atoma

if you stay too long on it you SHOULD die, and not just on 100% explosions

[narrow widget]

high peril burns you for actual hp instantly turns psyker into bottom tier class tho lol

[void dragon]

sure, but probably high peril making you take increased damage would be a good argument, specially since you can make yourself immune to some damage via shield or Emphatic evasion

[narrow widget]

real actually

[unreal nova]

Stares at One with the Warp.

[tame lodge]

Hiver gets penalties
So maybe in the future psyker w....... Nah who am I kidding

[faint beacon]

We talking about the E video where he says Veteran needs like a shit ton of nerfs even though it was already established changes that were needed to Vet even before the rework? LMAO

[void dragon]

which makes no sense if you ask me, peril currently is just a reload meter you can ignore

that is how unimpactful it currently is

as for Veteran, i feel giving it some internal CD for its nage regeneration, so it doesnt generate a full batch of nades n a single rager swarm, would be good enought to go

you still would need to manage grenades, but you still can use them the most, which feels like a part of the class identity, for good or ill

[quick shell]

nobody look at psyker rn

[tawny timber]

clearly zealot is busted and needs nerfs

[void dragon]

fully noted, nefring ogryn to its old version
-Obesefish

[swift wagon]

clearly arbitor is busted and needs nerfs

[faint beacon]

I don’t think people realize that Veteran is heavily dependent on upkeeping their toughness to not take high damage cause it’s one of the only classes in game that doesnt have consistent raw Damage Reduction

[hybrid plover]

Vet is the actual glass cannon tbh

[tawny timber]

which is why we need to remove gold toughnfss

[void dragon]

Yes, sir we are nerfin ogryn again so it only has rock as ranged option
-Obesefish

[swift wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[tawny timber]

make veteran weaker

#RevertOgryn

[faint beacon]

I mean I’d prefer Golden on VOC to just be a DR% Buff to everyone if I’ll be honest

[swift wagon]

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[faint beacon]

Golden has just been an issue ever since it was created

[tawny timber]

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[hybrid plover]

They just have means to beef up their toughness retention to a point where people think vet is beefy

[faint beacon]

Again it’s far easier to maintain now but like

People forget

If veteran can’t kill

They can’t upkeep any toughness

No toughness?

Death for Veteran Boy

[tawny timber]

thas why its important to steal his kills

[hybrid plover]

Like even Hive Scum with rampage has more actual sturdiness than Vet does

[swift wagon]

0.0

[faint beacon]

You know whats funny

Hive City Brawler

1 talent

[hybrid plover]

20%DR

[faint beacon]

Let’s Scum tank more overheads

[hybrid plover]

For free basically.

[faint beacon]

Than Vet or Zealot can dream of

[tawny timber]

[void dragon]

they are on drugs, i see it as immersive

[swift wagon]

hangover when?

[hybrid plover]

Tbf

[tawny timber]

hive scum canonically dies at 27

[void dragon]

you cant hangover if you are perpetually on drugs

[quick shell]

@restive mountain is kf3 a real game yet?

[hybrid plover]

Recent developments have changed for zealot

With the funny health maxing build

[void dragon]

the what now?

[hybrid plover]

Fatmangus build

[hollow ibex]

wat

[fair shale]

There's a zealot build that lets you tank a comical.amount of shit

Called fatmangus

[void dragon]

a zealot that is as obese as Obesefish? impossible

[quick shell]

Zealot build that lets u eat bursters and overheads like it's going out of style

and keep on going

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I sometimes hate to see oggies. They take bleed and I literally need to no hit or I die from a downwards spiral.

[swift wagon]

hear me out, what if u dodge them rather than eat em?

[fair shale]

Its probably the most effective tank in game rn

[void dragon]

but me must eat me rashuns!

[unreal nova]

I hate how I did the BS before but everyone insulted me.

Then some youtuber or something does it and it's a god build.

[fair shale]

Ignore people

Idk

[tame lodge]

#buffGunlugger

[void dragon]

Karien is ALWAYS ahead of her time

[tawny timber]

yes-yes

[unreal nova]

I was literally eating overheads and still clean hp bar in h40.

[tawny timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447795332225306736/togif.gif

[real loom]

Give gunlugger triple ammo

[tall torrent]

give ogryn swift slaying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[unreal nova]

Is just irritating tbh.

[tame lodge]

#stillnotenough

[unreal nova]

I have been running hp and corruption resist since havoc season 1 on zealot.

All I got was mockery on it.

[fair shale]

Realize you shouldn't listen to most people, idk

[void dragon]

if its anything worth, i would always believe in you, even this madness of a concept