veteran-class

[mystic pilot]

[regal smelt]

I forget which chainaxe does it but one or both of them can cleave stagger ragers which is perfect for vet

[dreamy sphinx]

[sinful palm]

[mystic pilot]

yeah it say that in the screencap from guide on chainaxe "decent single target damage & stagger"

[safe flax]

sex is cool and everything but tell me this aint better

[keen geyser]

what's the mod for kill count?

[safe flax]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/143

or are you talking about the team one?

[keen geyser]

bless you mate

[distant plaza]

+1 for an awesome mod, can't live without

[safe flax]

helldivers ruined me

[mystic pilot]

that sound like what I;m looking for over the scoreboard mod

[safe flax]

i use this one over scoreboard because i dont care about any of the other stats and i dont need to open a menu https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/577

[mystic pilot]

huh

who came up with that name?

[quick shell]

kharne mod wtf

[slender elm]

Chainsword yey

Chain axe special does significantly high stagger that it will usually stunlock the targeted elite

However you need to hit the head on crushers for them

And it's also risky in hordes

Boop

I really like chainaxe but that's just me being secretly a heretic stupid

It's pretty great against armor and carapace

[dreamy sphinx]

bless you commissar

[slender elm]

I'm certainly much more used to comissars being directly on the frontlines, like that dead karker

[dreamy sphinx]

i wish we could make a mod that just replaces her with commissar ciaphas cain instead

[slender elm]

Iunno, I do like the new missions a lot

Outside of the plague sample objective....

[faint beacon]

Where the fuck did you get this from LMAO

Thats unusual

usually my ass is running 10 stacks most with Tunnel Vision cause that CAB Value you get from TV is

stupid

very fucking stupid

[frigid rover]

memes

in other news i am finally learning to appreciate just how useful exhilarating takedown can be

[swift river]

Knoife

[grave hawk]

i refuse

[dreamy sphinx]

i just put shovel into tenor and found it lmao

[swift river]

But Knoife

[faint beacon]

It literally just shows and Axe and a Shovel which are like Vets 2 best options aside from PS lmao

[dreamy sphinx]

lol

...commissar what the fuck is this

[quick shell]

that's not very london of you

[narrow frost]

Seems fun if it was on a different map

Dreyko spawns are so low...

[swift river]

You expect London special, WRONG, Mike Tyson special

[quick shell]

dreyko final event has some really ass sniper spawns

[narrow widget]

purple probably thought u said dih 🥀

[autumn bramble]

what's an aggressively average ranged weapon i can use (trying to improve by using less meta stuff)

using a shockmaul for melee

[hollow ibex]

agri infantry autogun

[narrow widget]

u could go for vig autos

[tall torrent]

Combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

he said AVERAGE

[tall torrent]

Yea

[hollow ibex]

not peak

AVERAGE

[tall torrent]

No reliable 1 taps

And pretty lengthy reload

[frigid rover]

plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

i mean if you want a one-tap sidearm, there are plenty of weapons that fill that role

if CS isn't as exceptional as those weapons for that specific purpose

it doesn't mean it's mid

[tall torrent]

I think it’s pretty average

[fair shale]

Bad take I'm ngl

CS is goated

[tall torrent]

It’s not top tier but it’s not bad

So yea pretty average

[fair shale]

Hard disagree

Things genuinely upper echelon of guns

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just avg

[narrow frost]

Is it the low damage of normal shells?

[tall torrent]

If it was more consistent with 1 taps

Yea sure top tier

[narrow frost]

The always need to use slug is enough to put it down

[hollow ibex]

i suspect you think it's average because you only play WS melee builds

[autumn bramble]

whats the dump stat on combat shotgun

[tall torrent]

Mobility, all 3 variants

[autumn bramble]

thanks

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just avg

[hollow ibex]

🤷

[fair shale]

Ime slug has very consistent one taps

[autumn bramble]

is shockmaul also mobility dumpstat

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Yea, only 1 round and slow reload tho

[autumn bramble]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

U can deal with the slow reload by adding reload speed talent but again that takes away talents elsewhere

[distant plaza]

this major stagger list for tacaxes
does it mean while ragers are in the midst of their combos?

[fair shale]

You said you wanted consistent one taps not everything else

[tall torrent]

And vet tree doesn’t have that much flexibility

[tall torrent]

It’s only consistent 1 tap with 1 specific attack that can only be loaded 1 round at a time

[hollow ibex]

i'd rank it around the same as revolver

[tall torrent]

The regular attack is not consistent 1 tap

[hollow ibex]

agri that is

zarona is a bit below that

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa combat shotgun is still a little bit below revolver

[distant plaza]

oh hrm
okay

[tall torrent]

Yea stagger breakpoints are checked for enemies when they’re the hardest to stagger

So if an enemy is listed for an attack, u can always break their atk animation with that attack

[hollow ibex]

i mean what do you rank revolver if that's average to you 🤔

[autumn bramble]

so for combat shotgun should i be spamming the slug?

over the normal fire

[hollow ibex]

load slug when there's downtime

and by downtime, i mean like 1-2 seconds without combat

otherwise, primary fire is totally fine too

[fair shale]

If you have time to reload you also have time to pop a slug in

And personally I think you reload the shotgun every 3 or so shells unless shit is dire

[tall torrent]

Revolver top 3 best

[hollow ibex]

so if agri is top 4

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa shotgun prob 6 or 7?

[hollow ibex]

what would you say is above it?

[tall torrent]

Vig auto 3
Helbore
Plasma
DB
Inf auto 5
Boltgun

[autumn bramble]

ok thanks

[hollow ibex]

🤔

i'd prob remove colum vig and bolter from that list

[tall torrent]

Mk5 is Vraks

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm saying vig auto 3

columnus

[tall torrent]

Oh nah

Vig auto 3 is honestly top 5

[autumn bramble]

how is the bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

Very mid gun

[autumn bramble]

aww i like it

[hidden scroll]

wow as soon as i finish getting my near-perfect psword to 500, an actual perfect one shows up

[hollow ibex]

i despise it

[hidden scroll]

fml

[autumn bramble]

it has explosions and doesn't take a loading screen to draw

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately it just is that good

[hollow ibex]

meh

[tall torrent]

I think it’s better than helbore in majority cases tbh

Outside of helbore IV meme 1 taps

[hollow ibex]

definitely not

[tall torrent]

And shock trooper ammo

It’s just majority better

Better bodyshot

Better crit chance

Better sustained dps

[regal smelt]

the game heavily prioritizes 80/80/80/80/60 stats vs random 61-79% stats

[hollow ibex]

are you assuming crit or something?

[tall torrent]

No it actually just is better bodyshot

[hollow ibex]

i don't like running colum with surgical

[tall torrent]

It’s 2 burst bodyshot on plasma gunner

[regal smelt]

run headhunter then

[hollow ibex]

yeah i do

[tall torrent]

And vig auto 3 hits actually good havoc breakpoints too

With very minimal ranged spec

[regal smelt]

I just started running surg over headhunter, I rely a lot on crit headshots so it's nice to know when I'll kill a mauler in a single burst instead of relying on headhunter being there

feels like you need deadshot with surgical though, where it's more of a waste running it on headhunter

[hollow ibex]

i've always hated the vigil bodyshot damage

never felt that on helbore tho

[regal smelt]

not as bad as the agri infantry auto body shot damage lol

either one tapping elites and specials or doing fuck all

[hollow ibex]

just tested the dps against maulers

agri iag comes out 1k higher

[compact rock]

how do you get this helm

how

[regal smelt]

need some porple paint

[compact rock]

i neeeeeeeed it

[tepid otter]

Is the Ogryns face missing on the left

[primal zealot]

no hes just ourple

[tepid otter]

ate the funny lookin rat

[graceful jetty]

Is the dump stat on the plasma gun charge rate, thermal resistance, or split?

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

also check the HOTE guide in the pins for details

[tall torrent]

split (70/70) is good

[floral creek]

What's up with veteran and psyker lately?

Did they change up some things?

[tepid otter]

Why, whats wrong with them

[floral creek]

I've enjoyed them but they seem even more fun to play lately.

[tall torrent]

in bound by duty, yea

[tepid otter]

Always been fun to play 🤔

[slender elm]

Which chainaxe mark is better?

[hollow ibex]

12's a bit better

[slender elm]

Idk how to single target combo with this thang

Is pa good or do I just heavy spam

[hollow ibex]

special -> heavy

[hollow ibex]

staggers ragers so open up with that

if you got them flailing in your face

[slender elm]

Special heavy?

[hollow ibex]

yeah special is rev

[slender elm]

What about pa

High stagger?

[hollow ibex]

yeah for ragers

[slender elm]

Hmk

[hollow ibex]

if you need to finish off something after using the rev on them, you can also just use heavy spam

mk12 chaxe is literally rashad

reborn as a chainaxe

[slender elm]

Against carapace I usually just heavy spam

Special animation is too difficult to hold without getting krumped by something else

But if lone elite hes getting sawed for sure

[hollow ibex]

yeah the rev can be risky

[austere pine]

is there any instance when infernus headhunter is better than dumdum headhunter for recons?

i ran infernus headhunter for the longest time but the guide seems to say that dumdum headhunter is better

[hollow ibex]

there's pretty much no reason to run infernus HH

because dumdum buffs your burn DOTs directly

and the crit damage from HH is negligible

[austere pine]

ah so dumdum infernus is the best choice?

[hollow ibex]

yeah dumdum is stupidly powerful

[austere pine]

would headhunter be preferred for havoc due to the improved ammo economy or would more damage still be preferred?

[hollow ibex]

and a must take on any gun that has it basically

you still want dumdum

more damage = better ammo econ anyway

[austere pine]

fair enough good answer

thank you

while i have a knowledgeable person here, how would i make a revolver-styled plasma?

like i'm in melee, there's a guy i need to shoot, i shoot and know i can kill (except for carapace because i doubt there's any way to get a oneshot with a plasma with a quickshot on a crusher), go back to meleeing

[hollow ibex]

you just build your plasma based on the guide

and run it with weapon specialist

as you would with a revolver

but with a plasma

because for whatever reason plasma has fast draw

not as fast as a revolver, but good enough for WS

and you don't need to ADS like some guns

just beware of the fire delay

[austere pine]

oh i'm aware of that all

does this mean rising heat + gets hot are the best ones or does this mean rising heat + blaze away for one playstyle and gets hot optimized cooling for the other?

[hollow ibex]

tier 0 means the best blessings typically

but if you're planning to just use plasma only to nuke priority targets you can prob diverge from tier 0

since i think the plasma blessings suggested are based on the assumption that you have the plasma out quite a bit

[fresh nimbus]

Hey not to interrupt the current convo, but I just joined the Discord because I wanted to ask is there a place players are getting information/tier lists/stats/stuff that isn't the normal wiki? I kind of have some pain points in the build I'm using but finding information to help make decisions is like pulling teeth.

[austere pine]

got to a specific class chat and ask there

[fresh nimbus]

I'm here, it's for a Vet build.

[austere mica]

Guide in pins has the most general info

[fresh nimbus]

I just didn't know if there's some info bank only known with the players in the discord is all.

[austere mica]

And tierlists are dumb

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor guide in the pins

has basically everything you'll need

[fresh nimbus]

Meh, it's just to make overview decisions. I'm not usually dead on the meta, but I use it for a guiding hand then match it to my playstyle.

I'll give it a read.

[hollow ibex]

the guide's pretty silent on the meta tbh

it's mostly just facts

[austere mica]

I just dislike tierlists because they ignore any and all nuance

Ds is an s tier weapon on like every list ever

[fresh nimbus]

Nah my build is just way too frontloaded on my ranged weapon and I'm trying to decide what to cut out that won't be heavily noticeable to squeeze some melee in there

[austere mica]

It has the worst horde and mixed horde ever

[fresh nimbus]

I mean, it's a Bolter and Chainsword build for the aesthetic, I'm pretty sure the meta is like the plasma gun and dueling sword so I obviously just zipped past that.

[austere mica]

Its not

[hollow ibex]

strongest vet melee is power sword

[fresh nimbus]

Shows how well I paid attention in class

[hollow ibex]

ranged has a bit more variety though helbore is arguably the strongest ranged

[fresh nimbus]

I tried the recon lasgun with shocktrooper for a bit, that was fun for the dakka of it. Just felt a little anemic when I absolutely needed something gone across the room. Bolter has been pretty good in that regard save for the weird...recoil I guess it would be. It's a little wonky to work with when I don't let it rest and that throws me off sometimes.

[hollow ibex]

yea bolter recoil is kinda jank

the newer mark has fixed recoil

but they haven't gone back to fix the old mark cuz reaosns

[dry cloak]

i would personally like that first patch this year would be fixing of weapon currently in game

[fresh nimbus]

Wow...I wish these moveset diagrams were more find-able in game e.e

[austere pine]

you can ads, shoot the thing, un-ads and ads again to fix reset your recoil

works for bolt pistol, too

[fresh nimbus]

yeah I kind of noticed that if you just do the old school "quick scope" it tends to hold a bit more true. I just have to work on steadying my fingers a bit

[fresh nimbus]

So, just as a general question from people with more experience. On a Bolter, Chainsword, Shredder nade build. Would you say the 10% reload node, rending strikes, or "lock and load" (clip size) are a fair trade to acquire trench fighter, 15% melee, reciprocity, and desperado?

[austere mica]

No

There are very few if any good reasons to drop bottom right

[fresh nimbus]

Hrm, so my main issue is in horde clear on harder difficulties right now. I have a 13g chainsword with savage sweep and rampage and like zero melee talents. Chaff is manageable as long as i pay attention and don't let a random swing hit me mid attack chain, but should i change up weapon blessings or look at any of the melee talents at all? Or is it just a "yeah that's about right, just juke better" kind of a thing?

[austere mica]

Take melee talents

[thorny egret]

okay I def need more practice with plasma

[fresh nimbus]

Which ones are worth looking at, i could give up 10% reload for the trench fighter?

But other than that they all seem in that bottom right tree.

[thorny egret]

I always take trench fighter

[austere mica]

They are

Bottom right is positively loaded

[fresh nimbus]

Oh ok I understand now. You mean I should definitely drop those 4 ranged skills for the melee talents

Is that it?

Or ...am I just misunderstanding

[thorny egret]

this is what the "essentials" look like on Vet

leaves you 8 points leftover

[fresh nimbus]

Yeah I understand the skeleton of the build thus far. I tweaked some things to fit what I'm doing a bit, which I understand isn't meta. After looking at my build, the things I think I can get rid of without losing too much effectiveness on the Bolter was the 10% reload node, Lock and Load, Toughness Damage Reduction node right next to Lock and Load, and rending strikes. If I do that I can pick up trench fighter, 15% melee, Reciprocity, and Desparado.

I was just wondering if that is a good trade to get some melee meat on the bones.

[thorny egret]

absolutely

[fresh nimbus]

And then after I play around with that I'll see if I want to play around more and grab skirmisher and exploit weakness

[thorny egret]

from what I understand the reason melee talents are prioritized is that ranged already has plenty of damage output and melee is when things are at their most dangerous. The sooner you kill things in melee, the less time they have to kill you

[fresh nimbus]

Ah I got you

[austere mica]

This is a melee game

You take the melee talents so you can use your primary weapon better

[thorny egret]

it is telling that melee is on 1 and ranged is on 2

[fresh nimbus]

Yeah I'm not sure what talents you actually need to hit any breakpoints with a Bolter. Seems it just...does it stock as long as you have the weakpoint talent and the weapon swap speed talents.

[austere mica]

Guide should have breakpoints stuff

[dreamy sphinx]

tell that to hive scum desperado mains

[austere mica]

Or not I guess

Older version did though

[fresh nimbus]

It's ok, I can kind of check breakpoints in the meat grinder.

[thorny egret]

As one of those I resemble that remark

I fucking love desperado

[austere mica]

Desperado is fun if I don't want to think very hard for a mission

And just sprint through it with a gun

[fresh nimbus]

And on the chainsword for horde clear, 13g, savage sweep and rampage are ok blessings? They seem to overlap idea wise with wrath, shred, and something else. So I wasn't sure what to go with. I figure if it's a horde hittingh 3 targets is kind of easy but...no clue.

[austere mica]

Wrath and shred will do better

[thorny egret]

yup, I was skeptical but it does work as advertised

[austere mica]

Chainsword has very strange damage properties on crit, which result in the additonal crit damage not fall off per target

[fresh nimbus]

Yeah someone else told me rampage and shred and I was going to try that, but figured I'd just ask here. I'll give wrath and shred together a try a first. Sounds like you are saying it will crit through a cleave

[barren nexus]

blessed be the emperor

[stiff glacier]

the illusive 17% toughness curio

congrats

[distant mural]

Why is vets healthpool so goddamn pathetic?

[stiff glacier]

rework took away that one health node right?

[barren nexus]

all i need now is that sweet sweet 21% health

[stiff glacier]

i got 5 of the bastards before i got my 17% toughness one

[distant mural]

I refuse to use health on my curios.

Fuck that.

If i get 1 shot by a burster so be it

[sleek snow]

I only used 21% health when I didn't have 17% toughness lol

now all the health ones are sitting there collecting dust

[distant mural]

As it should be

Such a useless stat.

[tepid otter]

Saw some peeps talk about the Vig Auto awhile ago, perks and blessings anyone?

Believe they were talking about the Mk3

[stiff glacier]

sometimes i run two 21% health curios if my build reaches both 25 toughness nodes

[charred halo]

no shout?

[azure narwhal]

Exe stance kinda busted

[hearty snow]

whats the go to for breaking armor

holy shit heretic difficulty is so much armor

[analog mural]

Kraks, plasma, boltgun, helbore, combat/tactical axes, power sword

Lots of options which will all work, especially in heresy diff

Also knives and duelling swords of course

[hearty snow]

oh i was already using helbore

whats the difference between combat and tactical axes

[analog mural]

Tac axes are more Crit focused and have a better mobility profile

[hearty snow]

oh ok

what about combat axes

[silver patrol]

slow but jack of all

[slender elm]

choppy crit stick

[tame lodge]

One is amazing (Combat Axe)
The other is ok (Tactical Axe)

[prisma vessel]

It was tragic. Had a guy that died every 60s. A classic old veteran that refused to melee and died to single rager.

[quick shell]

Exe stance is crazy good

[distant mural]

Isnt it the other way around?

[tame lodge]

Uh no

Combat Axe mogs tactical Axe

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[green siren]

tactical one is utter garbage for some reason

it's supposed to be a 1x1 weapon with good anti-armor damage and impressive inbuilt crit chance

but for some reason, it isn't

[distant mural]

Idk i allways hated it i just see a lot of people praising it

[green siren]

if they enjoy it - let em
yet the fact remains the same

[tame granite]

it's got a nice flow to it and some of its marks have really nice wide swings

[azure narwhal]

Mk7 taxe is quite good. Far from garbage, it's a great budget choice

[crude wind]

Taxe is honestly my preferred melee weapon on vet. really nice mix of offense and mobility

[lyric path]

so the heretics get literal LMGs and we dont?

abit stupid me thinks

[tame granite]

why make a vet carry an lmg when an ogryn can carry a hmg

[azure narwhal]

Heretics have always had cooler weapons

https://tenor.com/view/noise-marine-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-slaanesh-emperors-children-gif-16743297

[tame granite]

he literally IS heavy weapons guy you can't beat that

[umbral scaffold]

Heretics 9/10 always have the better drip and weapons

[lyric path]

God emperor have mercy doesn’t matter stuff like the Hotshot lasgun exist

Which I question why that isn’t implemented yet

[tame granite]

ikr

I've wanted that and a proper longlas since beta

[lyric path]

I mean it’s clearly in the game as you can see by the picture on the right

[tame granite]

give me a bolt action lasgun or give me death

[lyric path]

Also the cultists even have snipers for goodness sakes 💀

[silver patrol]

they also have a flamethrower with sticky flames

[umbral scaffold]

They also have the chainglaives for the maulers and dual wielding axes with the ragers

[tame granite]

that's probably actually an engine thing, I imagine 4 players with sticky flamers could generate enough particles for the server to struggle

[azure narwhal]

There's a lot of work behind implementing new weapons in games like these. Also mostly because of how the community would judge it. We recently just got a large surge of content following talent tree rework and 2 DLC clssses so 🤷‍♂️ but i get the desire

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it didnt add anything actually new just kind of reskinned abilities
And literal reskinned armor

[silver patrol]

pretty sure it's a chainaxe but they should add that too

[umbral scaffold]

Both scum and arbie have reskinned armors that just changes colors

[silver patrol]

oh brother

[umbral scaffold]

And their abilities are just taken from other classes but slightly changed

[silver patrol]

you should see how much shit is recycled between skins

[umbral scaffold]

I know

[tame granite]

I think they're scared of 2 handers also because of the ridiculous horde clear they'd have

[umbral scaffold]

But it could barely be called new

[lyric path]

Which leads me to my next question why don’t we have snipers and no don’t give me that helbore crap helbore isn’t a sniper

[silver patrol]

isn't the helbore just an outdated infantry las rifle

[azure narwhal]

The base classes have those too. Even premium cosmetics are recolors or minor texture changes. As for abilities i mean, it's easy to say x thing is a copy of y, different people draw the line and different points 🤷‍♂️

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore is literally the only option currently other wise you have nothing

[tame granite]

again, I need a bolt action longlas
I don't care how little sense it makes GIVE IT TO ME

[umbral scaffold]

I just want a sniper for my vet and a dual wielding axe/chainglaive if ever possible

[past peak]

Its a sidegrade for certain regiments that want that sort of weapon

[tame granite]

I think kreig uses them?

[umbral scaffold]

Just make it a cosmetic change tbh i just want to look cool

[past peak]

Correct

[tame granite]

Praetorians might also

[past peak]

Krieg made the Lucius-pattern famous

[lyric path]

Yes primarily krieg if I’m not mistaken

[past peak]

There's a metric fuckton of lasguns and a lot are thousands of years old. Krieg prefers the Lucius pattern for stopping power and its suitable for Trench warfare. Also lowkey it looks like a WW1-era BAR and named after a WW1-era rifle. Lasguns are pretty much all sidegrades to each other for the most part, with their own niches

[barren nexus]

im just curious what weapons are absolutely just broken and for no reason at all for vets

[past peak]

I'd like the Triplex in a coolness function but from a gameplay function its sorta pointless

[azure narwhal]

There's plenty, power sword, taxe/caxe, helbore, plasma, combat shotty/double barrel can be abused easily

[barren nexus]

interesting

any for running wep specialists and i wanna one shot elites

or just snipe their ass out and go back to killing hordes

[regal smelt]

thats basically revolver

[azure narwhal]

That sounds like power sword n stub recolver with WS.

Easy to use, high dps

[barren nexus]

well i thought there might be a better option

[azure narwhal]

Always prepared is a must btw

So you get into a cycle of not having to reload

[barren nexus]

im currently running mainly revolver and any melee weps that i maxed out

[azure narwhal]

Fair

[regal smelt]

building and playing around weapon specialist really limits your ranged options. High magsize and firerate weapons make way less usage of the 1 100% crit shot or the auto reload

[barren nexus]

i ran with the infantry auto and vigilant auto bfr and it was aight

im not sure how weell they gonna do in high dificulty tho that was when i was still leveling stuff in heresy lmao

[regal smelt]

It will probably be fine, the main buff you get is the melee attack speed

[trim badger]

At this point of gamebalance

Horde clear is the least of anyone's concern xddd

[barren nexus]

anyways lemme crash out a lil

i would have been in fucking auric right now if the fucking randoms in this afternoon taking the medicae twice leaving me getting disitegrated by a gunner horde

and their fucking dumbasses are too dumb to notice there was a gunner horde leaving me to die and no one with the mental capacity to snipe them off failing my fucking mission

[regal smelt]

heresy is awful for that. making a new character and having to carry lvl 30s as a 10 is painful

[tall torrent]

both are top tier

[barren nexus]

im in damnation for gods sake

and i know i might sound racist

its always the fucking chinese randoms

and now i have to do another mission cus the progress is stopped at 95

fuck

[tall torrent]

ur in asian server?

[barren nexus]

yeah

and i know their chinese cus my ethnicity is chinese too

[tall torrent]

same

[regal smelt]

swap the region then. US west coast should be do-able if you're on ethernet

[tall torrent]

ping would be crazy still

[regal smelt]

just make sure you dodge muties and chaos spawn grabs sooner

yeah chaos spawn grabs are impossible to dodge sometimes

[barren nexus]

those fuckers have either the biggest fucking ego ive ever seen or they tryna speedrun everything

[lyric path]

I’d say skill issue but ya on Asian servers where most people who are on Asian servers are hackers anyways

[barren nexus]

but sometimes their ight

[barren nexus]

i was on 17 health

that fucker took the medicae right in front of my eyes

yeah at some point i need to

im doing it now cus quickplay

anyways it still baffels me like why do they like to horde clear with a duelling sword when they are a literal fucking psyker with their ability up

[tall torrent]

the avg player is not good at this game

[barren nexus]

fair point

ive seen countless times when im in spectator and i see a psyker strugling to kill a small horde with their dueling sword

and im like

how the fuck is this guy still alive

[tall torrent]

psyker op

[thorny egret]

A good psyker is rare as hen’s teeth but when you find them they will hard carry your run

But anytime there’s an unknown Smitker in my runs I know it’s gonna be a bad time

[unreal nova]

Karkers can have enough TDR/DR to survive a crusher overhead on auric with like 4 hp left.

If the stars align.

[tall torrent]

maybe psyker will get a few of their deserved 95+ nerfs in 2026

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[thorny egret]

I think Psyker is in an okay place, the issue is that it’s either broken or crap depending on how you go about it. There’s no real comfortable middle ground

[tall torrent]

psyker is very very very very far above what's ok

[lyric path]

Oh no the psyker haters are here in force

[frigid rover]

i like to join pub lobbies as smyker and then never actually use smite until the very end
it was all a trick :)

[unreal nova]

Not really, just... They can actually do what I said.

[barren nexus]

im gonna hop into my first auric game

wish me luck boys

[void dragon]

questions:
-Is obesefish aware that there is a bug that makes tagging enemies not work sometimes?
-Around what date we can expect the devs to return? (calculating the added time because of this question)

[tall torrent]

are u talking abt the tag outline disappearing if ur inside pox gas (of any source)

or is that smth else

also, some FS devs shud alrdy be back

[void dragon]

there is some cases, idk what trigger, when your tagg button and functions stop working alltogether, even on the psykanun

[tall torrent]

prob the community managing team?

[barren nexus]

ok we fucking died

it is hard

but damn it is fun

its just wave after wave after wave

non stop killing

and i like it

anyways enough kiiling in the name of the emperor for today ||its time to goon||

[slender elm]

Is there a specific build for bolter

[native hamlet]

i also get it randomly

was rough when i was playing dog arby

[viscid mirage]

What does full stack Onslaught (40% Brittleness) and 6 stack Focus Target look like in terms of actual damage amplification?

[trim badger]

Hot take I wouldn't mind this if the best way to play Psyker wasn't dumb bitch inferno staff DoT spammer

[tall torrent]

very hot take indeed

[trim badger]

Indeed

I know scriers greatsword with laspistol is mega OP but

If that was the meta I wouldn't mind much...

Just nuke inferno staff and I'll be satisfied

[void dragon]

playing tag veteran when that carp happen is NOT fun
can only imagine how bad it is with Arby dogo

[native hamlet]

lolol

i haven't noticed the tag bug until like 3 days ago

[viscid mirage]

What is ADM in these paragraphs

[native hamlet]

i assume it happened since the hotfix b4 fatshark went on holiday break

[trim badger]

Armor Damage iirc

[native hamlet]

armor damage modifier

[void dragon]

it was before, but i feel it got fixed...unil on an obesefish move they brought it back

[native hamlet]

so like think of 1.0 as 100% effectiveness. if you have a knife you typically have .6 adm vs carapace, meaning you do 60% effective dmg

[native hamlet]

this should explain the rest of adm interaction

[native hamlet]

damn guess i missed out on the 1st round

glad it came around for me to experience

[viscid mirage]

So if knife is .6 and onslaught is .4, is it “capped out”? And in that same train of thought is focus target “increased damage taken” calculated separate of brittleness? Or is it all lumped into the same pool, that caps out at 100%?

[viscid mirage]

Also are these baseline ADM’s per weapon available somewhere?

[native hamlet]

increased dmg taken is separate from brittle

[native hamlet]

you can get a rough guess by dividing the armor type dmg from unarmored (inspect the weapon) but otherwise you can find it clear cut in the code

there's probably a link around. i forgor 🕊🕊

oh yeah. anyone know the adms for energized power sword? or have a link for adm 👀

[tall torrent]

yes

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/tree/master/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates

have fun

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

every single weapon in the live game is in this folder

[thorny egret]

okay I absolutely need more plasma practice

this gun is amazing but I hafta smooth out these rough edges

(I do like it better than boltervet tho so that's something)

[wind cave]

Just realized I had this extra 1% lol

[barren nexus]

this is frying my brain

[wind cave]

It is now my special baby

[quick shell]

It’s just rounding

[wind cave]

https://tenor.com/view/zaeed-massani-zaeed-mass-effect-mass-effect-zaeed-mass-effect-mass-effect2-gif-27028532

[quick shell]

One of the 80 stats will be close to a 79

[wind cave]

You slander my special baby with your truths

[quick shell]

Also it’s an Ilas it could have everything at 80 and it’d still be mid

[thorny egret]

as someone who has an unhealthy attatchment to their ilas

yeah u rite

[hollow ibex]

hey ilas is already good

it's just that it's called laspistol in game

[knotty estuary]

What do you guys think one should dump for the plasma gun ? I usually dump stopping power as it always drops them whenever you land a headshot, meaning that if I don't hit it's just a skill issue on my part

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide, it’s a bit complicated

[knotty estuary]

Thanks 🙂

[knotty estuary]

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I see, if I just keep hitting heads (cope) I'm still fine just dumping stopping power

[tall torrent]

No, u don’t want to dump stopping power ever

[frigid rover]

sometimes you will shoot things that dont die in one hit anyway
its broadly considered not ideal to dump stats that reduce damage

[tall torrent]

On any weapon ever

[knotty estuary]

I meant that as in if I hit corretly they will still topple even tho they don't die in one hit so same result no ?
Sorry if seem pushy but for that weapon I really fail to see the issue in dumping SP

[tall torrent]

Because killing in 1 shot is better than needing an extra shot

And most breakpoint weapons get pretty finicky with that 1 shor

[knotty estuary]

Like stopping power increase dmg ? I'll admit I didn't read the entire guide but I thought stopping power was only about making enemies stumble ?

[tall torrent]

Stopping power affects armor damage modifiers (how much % damage is dealt to different armor types)

[frigid rover]

mouse over it in the uh, inspect screen of inventory and itll show what stats it affects

collateral is probably what you are thinking of as the stagger stat

[knotty estuary]

Shit, well now I understand the issue in my argument

Well thank you guys, I truly had no idea

[frigid rover]

knowing is half the battle as they say

the other half is frag spam probably

[thorny egret]

lookit this lil beaut!

[mystic pilot]

Doesnt charge rate need to be a little higher if you cant get the perfect stat layout?

[tall torrent]

change perk, rest serviceable for now

[narrow frost]

Stat names aren't actually what they do. You can see what stats they affect by inspecting the weapon

[knotty estuary]

Yeah saw that, good thing this server exists lmao

[thorny egret]

what's the reasoning to take unarmored, horde clear?

[narrow frost]

Unarmored enemies are dreg gunners and tox bomber

[tall torrent]

1 shot tox bomber

[narrow frost]

So easier time 1 shotting elite gunners and specials

[tall torrent]

and 1 shot dreg gunner

[thorny egret]

ah okay! Thanks you two

[keen geyser]

just use recon lasgun

in right build it can shoot more then heretic's lmg

[dreamy sphinx]

decided to turn my lasgun into a vector

because i have free will

[trim badger]

Doesn't unarmored lose the flamer 1 shot breakpoint in H40?

[faint beacon]

Yeah well… it’s evil and I don’t like it…

[dreamy sphinx]

and if i told you i turned my duelling sword into a shitty katana?

[faint beacon]

I turned my Tac axe into a machete but that’s lost to time now

[mystic pilot]

uh I would use that on recon lasgun because yes fire rate

[mystic pilot]

that tip would break off!

[dreamy sphinx]

recon cant be set up like that unfortunately because of the bullpup design and nobody making an additions mod for it

[mystic pilot]

a shame

[wind cave]

I promise I'm only not extracting immediately because I need to empty my ammo and the other vet keeps refilling it

Anyway, I'm not patient enough to really go for it, so I just kinda hope I had 90+ accuracy lmao

[keen geyser]

I saw it.

[lyric path]

https://tenor.com/view/boooooo-this-guy-stinks-serious-spongebob-squarepants-gif-11981386

[narrow frost]

I saw that

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G1hHQ6oWAAAiPl8.gif

[lyric path]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-town-bikini-bottom-spongebob-squarepants-sipping-patrick-the-starfish-gif-15590204

[keen geyser]

I see you have some kind of trauma associated with recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

no, it does enough dmg to 1 tap

[trim badger]

With what buffs

[tall torrent]

skirmisher + exploit weakness + agile engagement

[trim badger]

Like all of them together or just 1 alone would be enough

[tall torrent]

I think at least 2?

and crit-headshot

if u run stance it's less reliant on crit

[trim badger]

Oof so not consistent I see

[tall torrent]

it's like, semi consistent

because u can reach it

and usually ur gonna have at least 2 of those 3 active in combat

and WS gives u a guaranteed crit

if it was like, taking ridiculous levels of dmg stacking to get there, I'd write it off as unreliable

plus u have rising heat which also helps

but for best consistency possible, stance is obviously the way to go

[hybrid plover]

It's boring.

[hearty echo]

this guy gets it

[hybrid plover]

It's good but it is genuinely unenjoyable to use and I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way.

[keen geyser]

yeah, i know

[thorny egret]

Thanks I hate it ❤️

[mystic pilot]

speaking of recon lasgun. Checked store and one with perfect stats showed up, yoinks!

[thorny egret]

love my recon las

[mystic pilot]

and finished my second mastery on my veteran

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-chainsaw-griswold-clark-griswold-christmas-vacation-gif-15677851

@tall torrent

that was a good start to my day

two items with perfect stats (main)

and both just sitting casually in the store

once I finish Helbore Mastery which is gonna my third. Looking at what's next. heavy Laser pistol or trying out the new recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

Nice

[mystic pilot]

5 to go for melee and 5 to go for ranged on getting ones with perfect stats (on my veteran)

finding 16 out of 26 with perfect stats has been rather easy

[hollow ibex]

Both are good in their own ways

[hoary gorge]

isn't that private-only

Also use a plasma for this

[lyric path]

nothing like a good old chainsword even those its useless as fuck only good against chaff

[mystic pilot]

I use it as my horde clear 😛

[lyric path]

how about mixed?

[mystic pilot]

and my vrak grenade/secondary weapon for tougher ones

[faint beacon]

Vet at least wants 1 HP curios so nice pull

[serene bough]

I thought vet just needed one 5% HP node for poxburster survival

In H40 I mean

[tepid otter]

What blessings do you guys use on the Vig Auto

[mystic pilot]

one each of Health, toughness and stamina curios. Best to get them at maximum stat

for health thats 21% so very nice to see in store

[hybrid plover]

Tbh go 2 health 1 stamina in Havoc for vet

Corruption and things that don't give a shit about toughness are way more plentiful there.

[serene bough]

Ive been doing 2 toughness 1 stam

and then 5% HP just to get over 100hp

[tropic tide]

What do yall think of my build. Tips? My playstyle is precise hits until i meet any real resistance, at which point: Magdump
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0c4743f-1425-49a9-86ff-9866a379e857

Melee is charge, sweep, rinse and repeat

[silver patrol]

are the three wounds curious a meme or

[tropic tide]

See the icon next to my name 🙂

means im new, so i dont know whats good, hence why im here. is 3 wounds bad?

[hybrid plover]

Power sword, no power cycler.

That's a no from me dawg.

[silver patrol]

well i dunno the logic that brough you to use 3 wounds

[tropic tide]

Power cycler?

[silver patrol]

yeah, it's a blessing for the power sword

[hollow ibex]

It’s mandatory on psword

[silver patrol]

also the talents are all kinda wrong

[hollow ibex]

Basically a blessing tax

[tropic tide]

OH so i can get more swings before charging... Its never been an issue for me, i just dash backwards while charging every swing or so, but il give that a try

Should i ditch slaughterer or sunder

[silver patrol]

yeah you are cutting your dps significantly if you do that

[hybrid plover]

Ditch Slaughterer

It's not one of the trifecta of the blessings you should be using for power sword

Power sword setups revolve around Power Cycler + Sunder or Brutal Momentum

I prefer Sunder personally.

Because cleaving crushers is funny.

[tropic tide]

Cleave IS funny. Watchin the little wretch dudes heads pop off like french aristocracy in a wide arc is good

[serene bough]

too many points at the top

[hybrid plover]

Also, never run Terrifying Barrage on Bolter

[silver patrol]

maybe never run it anywhere

[distant plaza]

read the pinned guide -_-
please?

[hybrid plover]

Or honestly in general. It simply is not a good blessing. But especially so on bolter.

[tropic tide]

I dont want to follow a guide, i wanted opinions on what i AM using

[silver patrol]

the opinions would follow the guide

[hybrid plover]

Ye. A lot of what we're gonna say is based on that guide tbh

[tropic tide]

Sure, but then we'd miss out on this lovely conversation 😄

[silver patrol]

because as it is the talent tree is pretty bad, the weapons have the wrong blessings and you are using 3 wounds curious

[hybrid plover]

But still, I'm down to answer questions because everyone is different on their preferences.

Oh yeah. Wound curios.

[tropic tide]

My talents are built around the fact that i play almost exclusively quickplay, so trusting my squadmates is a mistake. hence 3 wounds

[hybrid plover]

Bade.

[silver patrol]

what's the finesse modifier for bolter btw

that logic is

very bad

[distant plaza]

ok

[silver patrol]

like, wounds literally rely on teammates to pick you up

[hybrid plover]

Three wounds mean you're relying entirely on your team for your survival.

And that's no good.

[distant plaza]

running away from poxbursters and positioning your teammates between you and it is a better strategy than 3 wound curios

[hybrid plover]

I do understand the prospect of running at least one as a new player if you're not comfy.

Three is full on overkill.

[silver patrol]

please never take wound curious unless you are doing a very specific zealot build

[hybrid plover]

And will hurt your performance quite heavily.

[tropic tide]

I figured 3 was a buffer for down-up-down-up-dead

[hybrid plover]

It is.

[silver patrol]

if you took 3 toughness or health you would go less down

[hybrid plover]

But the best way to survive.

[distant plaza]

what's sending you to the floor so often?

[hybrid plover]

Is to never go down to begin with.

[tropic tide]

Usually my team mates shooting barrels as i walk past 🙂 Malice people are assholes

[silver patrol]

barrels don't do much damage tho

[tropic tide]

The yellow ones launch me like im spacex

[austere mica]

Barrels also ignore wounds

[hybrid plover]

They're new.

[silver patrol]

if they send you flying out of the map, you are dead

[tropic tide]

😮 they do? Thats the other reason iv held onto them, antigrief

to "Barrels also ignore wounds"

[austere mica]

If you get ledged it doesn't cost a wound

If you get blown all the way off you just die

[tropic tide]

Well then, goodwill is going to find 3 bones in a case in their bin, time to get new ones

Ty for the help 😄 ima farm curios

[silver patrol]

you should also change your talent tree

you take a bunch of bad talents and no keystone

[tropic tide]

Keystone?

[silver patrol]

the purple nodes

[tropic tide]

oh i must have missed that, i have focused target

[silver patrol]

this is the generic skeleton build you should probably use

not much deviates from this tbh

[tall torrent]

This is missing a lot of damage potential and skips out on keystones, it’ll struggle more as u increase difficulty

[silver patrol]

also ditch Only in death does duty end (that's the voice of command ability modifier)

makes your ability actively worse

[tepid otter]

You got too much points at the top of your tree as well

[tropic tide]

Not a chance. The amount of times its saved a run on the last boss, only in death stays. My quickplay squads have either terrible luck or negative survival instincts

[serene bough]

its a noob trap

[silver patrol]

not even a particularly enticing one

[tall torrent]

What region are u in

[tropic tide]

Aus

[tall torrent]

Oh cool

[distant plaza]

you already have mass aoe stagger with shout
pick them up while everything else is staggered
or grenade
or if the boss is on you kite the boss away so someone else can pick up the face plant

[tall torrent]

But basically bosses are not threatening on their own

[silver patrol]

you really don't want to spend a talent point on a node that makes you weaker

[tall torrent]

You don’t rly need only in death to pick people up in boss fight scenarios majority of the time

Vet has enough damage to kill bosses quickly

[tropic tide]

T_T do people in malice dif just suck, yall seem to play with competant people

[silver patrol]

yes

why are you even playing malice at lv 30

[tepid otter]

They get better at higher diffs imo

[tropic tide]

Because last time i played Heretic+, my smartwatch screamed heartrate and blood pressure warnings at me 😄

[tall torrent]

It’s not about playing with competent players, it’s that u can actually just solo kill bosses really fast regardless of team

[tepid otter]

I mean most times its not exactly a 1v1 with a boss tho right

Got like other enemies to worry about

[hearty snow]

what're some good melee weapons for ranged builds

[tall torrent]

yea most of the time u also don't have to melee-only solo boss

u have ability and blitz

[silver patrol]

at the same time, when you play above heresy, bosses tend to get nuked fairly quick by the rabid hivescum/zealot/ogryn

especially captains

[distant plaza]

there is a jump in difficulty from malice -> heresy
it's worth it though
the game just gets better
once you get tired of not having enough things to kill in malice
i get wanting to stay in malice until you've got the basics down, especially if this is your first tide game

you go from being carried to being the carry, move up a difficulty, the process repeats

[silver patrol]

i would suggest playing at the very least on heresy or damnation

as you are not really playing the "full" game under that

[tropic tide]

I just noticed in that build.. Yall dont use krak grenades OR the +75% damage?

[silver patrol]

grenade is whatevr you want

the +75% node doesn't usually do anything

[tall torrent]

it's a template, u can choose where to put the remaining points

[silver patrol]

krak grenades already kill crushers without it

[tall torrent]

tinkerer is only mandatory for krak in havoc

[silver patrol]

yeah

[tall torrent]

but I'm assuming u won't get into havoc any time soon

[silver patrol]

does malice even spawn crushers

[tropic tide]

i save my kraks for corrupted ogrins and that kind of thing, melee for the trash mobs and burst fire the midtier stuff

[silver patrol]

use kraks for crushers, bulwarks and bosses

and use them liberally, you regen them

[tropic tide]

and yeah, we get crushers. i even had the pleasure of meeting a demonhost the other day. Theyre nice, they like giving hugs. could do without the claws

[silver patrol]

they are also ok to save teammates despite their lousy explosion radius

use melee to deal with close enemies and hordes, use ranged to deal with specialists and elites

btw if you use the bolter i suggest getting One motion as a node

[tropic tide]

looking for that, 2 sec

[silver patrol]

on the top

[tropic tide]

OH the weapon swap. yeah... its kinda brutal as is

[silver patrol]

for almost all classes, the flow of the game is melee > take out ranged to deal with specialist/disablers> return to melee

with some exceptions

[tropic tide]

okidoki ima give the new weapon blessings a shot

Ty!

[austere mica]

Does the helbore quickdraw work for bolter

[mystic pilot]

Helbore Lasgun, which two I should get

[silver patrol]

Flak and Maniac imo

this isn't the least hard hitting one isn't it

or the balanced one

[mystic pilot]

Helbore Lasgun? you can change marks

right now IIIa so I can get hang of it

[silver patrol]

yeah but the hard hitting one runs carapace

or at least, it's viable there

[mystic pilot]

IIIa is the balanced one (middleground)

[silver patrol]

then yeah, maniac and flak imo

[mystic pilot]

so close to max mastery on helbore

[hidden scroll]

just beat auric maelstrom 🙂

feels good

finally have a havoc rank lol

[narrow frost]

congrats

[hidden scroll]

is there a place i can check play time?

[silver patrol]

on steam

like, click the game

[hidden scroll]

it's 120 hours on steam but i have a lot of afk time i guess lol

was curious if there was a in-mission playtime tracker or something

[silver patrol]

i think some mods should let you see the effective playtime

[hidden scroll]

yeah i'll have a scroll through some mods

many thanks to this discord, y'all have been so helpful

[tall torrent]

the ads thing?

[austere mica]

The reload one

[tall torrent]

uh

I don't think it's worth doing tbh

it's a massive hassle

[lyric path]

yee Called?

[silver patrol]

I hope you personally don't spawn crushers

[lyric path]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[turbid ibex]

i had a burgle spawn on my psyker's very first mission on the lowest difficulty

as long as its not the campaign missions anything is fair game i assume

[void dragon]

what blessings are best for the Dclaw? Wrath/savage sweep or rampage?

[austere mica]

Shred rampage

It needs crit desperately

[void dragon]

yeah i noticed, was wondering what to pair it with, ty

[woven nest]

I've heard that the dueling sword is a popular weapon. is it actually that popular? why do people use it when it has such bad carapace damage?

[narrow frost]

have you tried using the Heavy attack against carapace

[woven nest]

yes

I think the chain axe heavy attack does more damage to Maulers, Crushers and Plas Gunners than the dueling sword

[narrow frost]

DS has one of the highest if not the highest ADM to carapace

[woven nest]

ADM? I'm not familiar with that term

[narrow frost]

armor damage multiplier

were you hitting the head and did you crit?

DS can easily be made to 1-2 all enemies

[woven nest]

head: yes. crit: no

[narrow frost]

DS is easy to use, easily deals with carapace, and has great mobility. This is why its used

[void dragon]

DS odd mobility alone is a big selling point on it, you dont have to worry of bad horde clear when you can yeet yourself away from it wherever you want

[woven nest]

I'm in the meat grinder and labbing against auric Crushers. it took me 16 heavy attacks to kill a crusher @_@. which weapon mark is the best for carapace headshots?

[narrow frost]

mk4 (IV) is easiest

[void dragon]

are you running it with uncanny strike? yet ANOTHEr reason why the weapon is busted

[woven nest]

I'm not. I'll fix that with Hadron immediately

[narrow frost]

also to add

meat ginder is not a good test of weapon power

talents/blessings need dodges or other in game funtions to trigger

[woven nest]

what is rending? I thought it was piercing from one enemy to the next? like Warframe punch-through

[narrow frost]

how much you go through armor damage reduction put simply

100% rending means you do normal damage to armored targes

[woven nest]

rending is armor ignoring?? wow

[void dragon]

ADM is a value that dictates how much damage you do to stuff like flak or caparace, rending makes it so if its below 1 it gets closer so more damage is deal per attack

[narrow frost]

Rending
Rending is a player-side buff that boosts all of their attack instances' ADM.
It only affects ADM against Maniac, Unyielding, Flak and Carapace.
Rending stacks additively with itself and the attacks' base ADM.
It's worth noting that ranged weapons' damage falloff come in the form of reduced ADM at specific ranges, which can be compensated for by having rending (against the 4 armor types affected).

you can look up this information in the guide pinned in this channel

[trim badger]

Uncanny + Thrust/Relentless Strikes

Thrust better on vet most likely

Ignore sillies suggesting Shred or Riposte

[woven nest]

shred sounds better against elites like gunners and shotgunners, but they ain't my biggest concern lol

[austere mica]

This is zealot so take it with a grain of salt but like

This is just with sustained assault and piety

Vet can easily match or exceed this

[narrow widget]

armor piercing

[austere mica]

And uncanny + thrust/riposte/precog is good

Or riposte+precog

Pretty sure that also works

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rending in excess of 100% is converted to extra damage at i believe 25% effectiveness

[austere mica]

Rending that would increase your adm above 1.0 is converted to damage

rending over 100% is converted to nothing

[narrow frost]

on how DS works in real gameplay

no talents

riposte/precog

flak/unyield

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huh

[austere mica]

My dumb ass said that feels slow and then looked and saw base vet

[austere mica]

You cannot benefit from more than 100% rending

[narrow frost]

7 shots on a crusher with no talents

guh

[narrow widget]

didnt uncanny give like 150% rending or smth

[narrow frost]

"Excess ADM
It is possible to reach >100% with rending & brittleness combined, as they stack together additively.
Should this occur, the max amount of ADM bonus that'll be considered will be 100%.
This means Uncanny Strike IV going up to +120% rending is actually +100% at most.
Another important thing to note is a conversion process that occurs if the sum of the attack's base ADM, rending and brittleness add up to exceed 100%, the exceeding portion will be converted into +damage at a quarter of its original value (see formula above).
As such, rending & brittleness work best for attacks that struggle against specific armor types (<100% base ADM), and don't do much for attacks that inherently have high base ADMs.
An example being that Shattering Impact won't help your team that much vs Carapace if they're using attacks that have high Carapace ADMs (like Power Sword's energized attacks)."

[void dragon]

doesnt exess rending turns into damage in a 1 by each 4 rending?

[narrow frost]

here is over 100% rending

[tepid otter]

Why you using slash on the Dueling sword tho

[austere mica]

Because mk5 is a real sabre

Its less overbearingly good

and has really funny dodge distance

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ok thank u im not stupid 🙏

[narrow frost]

thank path

this is his guide

all I did was copy and paste

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path my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

bad carapace damage

[woven nest]

the game never explained to me what rending does, and the attack break down says it's carapace damage is bad

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KILL dueling sword

thank u fatshark

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mewing-mew-cat-mewing-mewing-tutorial-mewing-cat-gif-495067373805540650

[narrow frost]

Welcome to fatshark

This is how they communicate with the player about game information

Lie or mislead

Or don't say anything

The guide in pins has alot of information you can slowly go through or check whenever you find something worth reading into

Kuli on steam guides has non biased information about enemies/talents/blessings

Both are worth checking

[serene bough]

Whens the last time something was nerfed in this game significantly

I feel like everything is just constantly buffed

[narrow widget]

because it is

fatshark looked at whatever the fuck happened to helldivers 2 and said "ykw lets just buff"

they cant even explicitly call shit nerfs anymore since mfs will bomb the steam reviews

now its just "rework"

[serene bough]

Maybe theyll rip off the bandaid and nerf everything in one huge patch so they only get review bombed once

🙂

[frigid rover]

.

[dense willow]

bad against what

[woven nest]

the attack breakdowns for the weapon says it only does 400 damage against carapace headshots. the attack breakdowns lied.

[austere mica]

The attack breakdowns do not account for like any bonuses ever

Their only real use is quick checking adms

[tepid otter]

Is that from confimed kill

[mystic pilot]

My only regret on getting dueling sword is that i didnt buy the DKoK sword skin

[frigid rover]

something like that

[unreal nova]

Psykinetics aura nerfed to not work on allies.

[narrow frost]

Survivalist aura nerf probably

[serene bough]

Oh lol I remember old survivalist

[serene bough]

I didnt know this

[unreal nova]

It came with the psyker 'rework'. Only real significant nerf they got imo.

On top of it nerfed to Cooldown rate instead of flat % per kill.

[serene bough]

Actually now that I think about it Tactical Awareness was nerfed too

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

Same patch.

[serene bough]

I guess tree nerfs are more common than weapon nerfs then

[quaint valve]

plasma gun dump stat?

[narrow frost]

71 charge 69 thermal

60 thermal is poor

Explained in the guide in pins

[jade cloak]

Is there a recon lasgun meta build currently?

[quaint valve]

I see it now thanks

Interesting, Power sword wants 60% cleave

[narrow frost]

Indeed

Cleave Targets

Is the dump

[quaint valve]

just returned after 6 months break, so just trying to cleanup all these extra weapons

[lyric path]

Alrighty who gave this zealot main crack

[austere mica]

What

Thats what dueling sword looks like

[lyric path]

💀 talk about busted

[austere mica]

Its not even the good one

It pays for that by being boring and utter ass at any amount of clear

Relic is just better

[lyric path]

Translation for anyone who lurking in chat “this is what happens when zealot snorts stimms”

[austere mica]

I had 2 buffs up

And passives but like

This isn't even close to what it looks like after doing a line on zealot

[quaint valve]

Which do we take here?

[narrow frost]

Neither if you want to mix max

Right if you are tight on money

[quaint valve]

Spent most of money rolling and this was the closest I could get

[austere mica]

Its not even worth it

[stable socket]

i stopped at 70 charge rate/70 thermal resistance because it was taking too much time

[narrow frost]

Just need thermal above 69

[stable socket]

idk if 71 charge rate/69 thermal resist is appreciably faster due to breakpoints but if it is i will just live with shooting slower...

e.g. i remember in diablo 2 your attack speed only mattered if it let you hit new frame breakpoints on animations, but i suspect that in more modern games it's less discrete and more continuous

[quaint valve]

Not much else to go for other than trying to min max

[unreal nova]

Is literally fine unless you have some issues and see things in microseconds.

[stable socket]

good to know!

[hidden scroll]

can i do 1 auric maelstrom a week to maintain my havoc rank, or do i actually need to do havoc?

[austere mica]

You need to do havoc

[hidden scroll]

ok thanks

[austere pine]

how do i make a build for vigilant autogun?

do i go all in on gun? do i play it for picks?

[kindred shore]

best blessings/stats for Accatran Mk IX Combat Shotty for Vet?

man stopper/deathspitter seems to work pretty well imho, tried full bore/man stopper didnt work that well

for Auric damnation+

[grand perch]

you could go heavy right tree for general damage and more melee performance, or go heavy left bottom for massive weakspot damage

[austere pine]

no respite + manstopper, maniac unyielding flak

also deathspitter, flechette or scattershot if those two aren't to your liking

[slender elm]

which vigil ag mark should i run if i wanna do sniper shit with exe stance

[kindred shore]

ty, i'll try all out

[distant mural]

I think the one with the 3 round burst was the best.

[slender elm]

guide says 1 burst kill with minimal investment, except... im investing heavily

so its kinda thonk

[austere pine]

mk7 gets you that one shot one kill thing

but it is an objectively worse "sniper" weapon than infantry and helbore lasgung

[slender elm]

yeah trying shit out

if it dont work then welp

[austere pine]

run the uh

kantrael mk7 infantry lasgun for best sniper performance

you get to pick every shooter before they get a chance to do anything to you

i could get you a full build, if you want

[lyric path]

currently playing rimworld and holy fuck the amount of things my turrets have killed

and thats not even a quarter of them

[slender elm]

i think i have one

nvm i hate the sights on this bloody thing

back to the ilas

[silver patrol]

can't wait for the weapon customization mod to get back online again for that reason

[slender elm]

i am evidently dogshit at sniping

i cant even bloody hit 4 headshots in a row lel

[austere pine]

ping what you can ping for esp+wallhacks, which is like 50% of an aimbot

executioner's stance is also free real estate for easier aiming (less recoil, highlights what you can't ping)

[slender elm]

a minute just after i said that

ok then

i want a build for bolter tbh

[austere pine]

opening salvo for ilas oh hell nawl

headhunter is necessary, deadly accurate if you don't think you'll be dying to ranged guns (my preferred, even in facedowns with a horde of shooters/gunners/stalkers), ghost if you don't think you can pick them off quickly enough

[slender elm]

eh, its not horrible

in fact its being recommended in the guide

[tall torrent]

It’s only for Mk IX

[slender elm]

im using it

[austere pine]

i would say it's the worst of the three

[slender elm]

i wouldnt

damage per shot is superb

[slender elm]

does FT stacks reset to 1 if you spam tag on the same guy

[unreal nova]

Ppl said yes before.

Some said it refreshes.

You can test if needed.

[slender elm]

then why the fuck are reddidiots being told to bind tag to m1

[unreal nova]

Because laziness

[slender elm]

yeah im barreling those people

they offend me

[unreal nova]

Is one thing to manually ping every single special and then there is spam pinging on a semiauto on everything.

[thorny egret]

I already get a lil salty at the dog arby's that spam ping, I can imagine hearing a vet spam it

[frigid rover]

-exec stance -ping on m1 -laspistol
IM HELPING IM HELPING IM HELPING

[slender elm]

With ft btw

[unreal nova]

Oh, if it's fast... it's a mod.

There's an auto ping mod that lets the mod ping targets with priority you set.

For the dog, that is.

[thorny egret]

oh lord

[native hamlet]

ty for this btw

[thorny egret]

whew, vet masteries finally done

[kindred shore]

so that's how they spam that shit

💀

[heavy rover]

You called?

[agile mortar]

Am I weird for having Finesse as my Chainsword Dump Stat instead of Mob?
Also am I weird for using Rev It Up and spamming special attack every single second

[quick shell]

yes why are u dumping a damage stat

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s weird.

[swift river]

Recon Lasgun...
Marksmans Focus or Weapons Specialist?

[hollow ibex]

MMF does very little for recon

same with WS

WS will buff your melee tho

Best keystone for recon is FT

[swift river]

I could try it... Normally I go left tree to MMF cause Lasgun

[hollow ibex]

Redirect fire > more stacks tbh

And unless this is for havoc you can drop tinkerer

Even grenadier is eh for Krak imo

Also would take long shot over OM

[swift river]

The grenades do help against the ogryn hordes

And I'm not a Hive Scum so I can't cheese it with a oneshot RPG 😄

[quick shell]

U don't need tinkerer outside of havoc, grenadier is fine but kinda generally equates to +1 max grenade, and maybe +1 grenade thrown during mission

[hollow ibex]

3 is enough and you have your melee too though

[quick shell]

it's not worth it with krak