69 thermal methinks
#veteran-class
trim badger
quick shell
gottem
and if i am not going for an optimal plasma
what's the best standard dump?
narrow frost
thermal if you are poor
sharp trail
if i have 72 in thermal resist and 68 in charge is that still preferable over just doing a thermal dump
pseudo fiber
dclaw killing things that's scary man
gleaming sun
What is special of dclaw? 😮
Was that a parry?
narrow frost
parry
quick shell
yeah it's the only attack on the dclaw that actually kills things 
narrow frost
@gleaming sun
gleaming sun
Color me surprise, didn't know we had parries in Darktide, not like that at least
quick shell
on dclaw and dueling sword
gleaming sun
I know what meele I am leveling up next lol
quick shell
wait
gleaming sun
Roger that, Dclaw and Dueling Sword are next ones on the list
gleaming sun
Almost nice
gleaming sun
Mine has charge rate to 60 I believe
Or was thermal resistance? Can't remember now
quick shell
u better hope its thermal
quick shell
time to get a new one
gleaming sun
Well fuck, now gotta find a better plasma
I upgraded that one
Imma gonna shoot something
quick shell
spend three billion dockets on getting a perfect
hasty holly
Just buu a random plasma gun from melk
gleaming sun
I'll check later, as I am not home, but I swear is charge rate
I swear by the throne...
So, charge rate -at least- till 69%, roight?
quick shell
OR
just dump thermal
thermal dump is cheaper, but not as good
significantly cheaper
gleaming sun
Time to spent my 50k coins
azure narwhal
There he is
quick shell
yeah i found it earlier
idk
i have a 72 thermal 68 charge now
idk if that beats just dumping themral
thorny egret
should I snag this from the vendor?
gleaming sun
Snag it
thorny egret
it has been snagged
spark helm
I fare just fine with the one I use but I hate the specificity of the spread.
And how often the game just gives me the spread...just swaps the two fucking numbers.
gleaming sun
#reconlasgang
The laser pointer, as I call it
It was a blast going from the Las pistol to the recon
spark helm
And then I feel stupid having spent all my dabloons on a roll I can honestly do fine without but want just enough to seek it out. And I already got just about everything I want already between nearly every class.
My luck usually isn't like this. Perhaps I am being punished for not fulfilling the game's aquilla tithes for years.
proud jolt
just left a match dude was pissing me off, he made 0 effort to save any teammates that went down
quick shell
Millions of dockets, no godroll for plasma.
i mean that's still not a godroll, it's 1 off
spark helm
i mean that's still not a godroll, it's 1 off
Listen. You're closer to the jackpot than me.
serene bough
Millions of dockets, no godroll for plasma.
I got my God roll from Emperor's gift
He treats the faithful
hybrid plover
should I snag this from the vendor?
It's not really ideal but the actual ideal roll is annoying
Personally, I'd just look for a thermal dump
gleaming sun
Asking here, as I barely know, is that noticeable that 1% difference?
Talking about the plasma 68/69% charge rate and the 71/72% thermal resistance
narrow torrent
Just blame any deaths on that 1% difference 
quick shell
Asking here, as I barely know, is that noticeable that 1% difference?
Talking a...
well 71 thermal is when u get 8 shots
gleaming sun
Fair, fair
Just wanted to understand, it surprises me how a 1% difference is one more shot or not
sonic kayak
It's ultimately a rounding thing
Sometimes 71% doesn't actually get you 8 shots, they say 72% because it's guaranteed
gleaming sun
Just blame any deaths on that 1% difference <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I blame the dogs or the trappers
Those are the ones that kill me the most lol
(And myself, why lie)
thorny egret
I hate my stats being odd numbers so I'm taking the 72/68 lol
native hemlock
Im trying to Twins Hard, and have a veteran, but I'm not sure on build. Is a dueling sword+ Plasma with toughness curios going to be good enough?
gleaming sun
Usually the plasma and Dueling Sword is like the havoc "meta"
So so far so good I guess?
native hemlock
I followed guides on games lantern and am not totally noobish (juat not great), but we did one run and my arbites just does not output enough damage I think, I was last one standing and got overrun
scenic oracle
I still like lasgun the most
scenic oracle
Im trying to Twins Hard, and have a veteran, but I'm not sure on build. Is a due...
I did twins by focusing them with gun ogryn
Have your team mates protect ya
native hemlock
I am not good with ogryn and psyker. Just cant make em work. My vet already has 99% of the stuff I think lol, just minor tweaks unless they require a different build
scenic oracle
Yeah go mark vet and you should be fine
native hemlock
Mark vet?
scenic oracle
Middle capstone
blazing horizon
Yup...that's it my SSD is dying can't even load models :"")
thorny egret
For my curios, should I be dumping everything and just taking 15-17% toughness instead?
tall torrent
well 71 thermal is when u get 8 shots
69 thermal
tall torrent
For my curios, should I be dumping everything and just taking 15-17% toughness i...
a mix of health, toughness and stamina is pretty good
thorny egret
Gotcha, thanks!
I have +16 toughness, +3 stamina and +20% health so I think I'm set
quick shell
69 thermal
oh yeah
tall torrent
Usually the plasma and Dueling Sword is like the havoc "meta"
So so far so good ...
nah, power sword is the meta for veteran
tall torrent
Asking here, as I barely know, is that noticeable that 1% difference?
Talking a...
no, even 70/70 split is basically perfect
tall torrent
Im trying to Twins Hard, and have a veteran, but I'm not sure on build. Is a due...
field improv is a good pick, but besides that any good veteran build should be fine (besides maybe the backline sniping ones)
see pinned guide for reference
native hemlock
field improv is a good pick, but besides that any good veteran build should be f...
Pinned guide here for builds, or in an lfg for karnak twins runs?
formal ice
gleaming sun
what are the recommended stats for bolter pistol?
orchid hemlock
I followed guides on games lantern and am not totally noobish (juat not great), ...
Ok rule number one
Don't use games lantern 💀
orchid hemlock
What's blocked? 
native hemlock
Outside emotes, I have skulls with 0-4 eyes
orchid hemlock
Hmmm
native hemlock
I need some place to get an idea of builds from or I always pick garbage lol
gleaming sun
what are the recommended stats for bolter pistol?
Nevermind, checked the pinged guide lol
thorny egret
Ok rule number one
Don't use games lantern 💀
Yeah I’m learning that now
orchid hemlock
I need some place to get an idea of builds from or I always pick garbage lol
Ask here or use the pinned
It's also important to know why things are bad or good because sometimes the data being shown is literally incorrect
Thanks Fatshark 
native hemlock
It's also important to know why things are bad or good because sometimes the dat...
Yes, the builds there were a good starting point to not be totally behind my peers, and now that I understand more and more I make the changes I like.
Like why no one uses lasguns
Prayge
native hemlock
Any of them as a baseline, especially below like 40 on the stat bar. Too ammo inefficient, not enough damage unless punching down
thorny egret
I love all my lasguns
orchid hemlock
How are lasguns ammo inefficient?
They literally are all the most efficient guns in the game
gleaming sun
I love my lasguns, but the helbore, we don't speak about the helbore
orchid hemlock
I love my lasguns, but the helbore, we don't speak about the helbore
Helbore is probably the best gun on Vet in the entire game
I'm not even trolling
native hemlock
They dont use 1 for 1, they have like 54 ammo but at the start a single shot uses like 13 ammo
thorny egret
The ammo efficiency is incredible on Helbore
gleaming sun
Helbore is probably the best gun on Vet in the entire game
Aye, I'm just bad at steady aiming with all the chaos going on
It doesn't have middle ground, either you're trash or a god with the helbore 🥲
orchid hemlock
They dont use 1 for 1, they have like 54 ammo but at the start a single shot use...
The reason why lasguns are ammo efficient is because of the talent: shock trooper
Shock Trooper makes it so that when you crit with a lasgun, you don't consume the ammo
native hemlock
The reason why lasguns are ammo efficient is because of the talent: shock troope...
Oh, the uh talent right before capstones
The one you can get at level 17 if you beeline
tall torrent
Pinned guide here for builds, or in an lfg for karnak twins runs?
see pinned guide here for build
orchid hemlock
even without it, some of the lasguns are pretty ammo efficient
ILAS and Helbore are very ammo efficient
ammo inefficient weapons are like boltgun or plasma gun
tall torrent
everything is ammo efficient if u melee enough
gleaming sun
Yeah, I was so used to the las guns that going to the bolt gun is a new world
Struggling with ammo
gilded pike
the boltgun is a delete specific cluster or panic button
orchid hemlock
yeah ammo issues on Vet ussually is because people play Vet like a Psyker
gilded pike
Like. Nothing kills a Crusher conga line quite like a bolter
tall torrent
guide passed 100 ratings btw
orchid hemlock
the boltgun is a delete specific cluster or panic button
I don't agree with this at all
gilded pike
fair enough I'm new to it after recon
tall torrent
current stats
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gilded pike
but it does make annoying groups of scary big objects go away fast
tall torrent
still 4 star
orchid hemlock
Magdumping bosses, sure
but you dont need to magdump anything else
gilded pike
I am very annoyed by snipers now tho
gilded pike
Magdumping bosses, sure
but you dont need to magdump anything else
Well yeah
but they do disappear fast :V
primal zealot
we clearly have different definitions of "big" and "fast"
gilded pike
4 Crushers
orchid hemlock
4 Crushers
if you shoot each crusher two time with 5 stacks of pinning fire, they should bleed out
gilded pike
oh right to be clear am not saying spray :V
native hemlock
Idk i know youre not wrong and they have lots of ammo, just that when I joined before arbites, they left a bad taste in my mouth with how they were not 1-1
orchid hemlock
what is not 1-1?
native hemlock
Their ammo usage
orchid hemlock
Arbi has no way to replenish ammo, Vet does
Vet I also think has better range nodes to make Bolt Stronger in most situations, which means less bullets needed
native hemlock
I started before arbites lol
So when arbites launched and just felt better
I was incensed by the infantry lasgun
orchid hemlock
well then it might just be anecdotal
but regardless, bolt gun is not as ammo efficient as other weapons
primal zealot
if you shoot each crusher two time with 5 stacks of pinning fire, they should bl...
ok but where are you getting those 5 stacks ?
orchid hemlock
ok but where are you getting those 5 stacks ?
one shot should scare everything near the crusher
cloud reef
when people on youtube say "if youre running a weapon specialist build" what does that mean?
orchid hemlock
tbh tho, please don't waste ammo on crushers 😔
orchid hemlock
when people on youtube say "if youre running a weapon specialist build" what doe...
the keystone on the bottom right
orchid hemlock
rule #2
dont listen to Youtubers 😭
gleaming sun
B-but, they make videos all the time, they must know their shite! /s
quick shell
this fucking one?
what are the perks
i cant be asked to read through and try and find shit in that 
native hemlock
It IS a really long list to check lol
narrow frost
CTRL + F
quick shell
yeah i mean i didnt even realises sections were there until big scrol down
tall torrent
i cant be asked to read through and try and find shit in that <:YEP:670070090724...
Just scroll down and find plasma section
Ez
quick shell
with rotten armour being around in rotation, is it even worth running db on vet
narrow frost
yes
quick shell
What melee weapon then
tame lodge
Power Sword
narrow frost
shovel
quick shell
since i think that's gonna be a requirement for rotten
i dont have a shovel upgraded, and have kinda mixed opinions on it atm?
tame lodge
Shovel mid yeah
quick shell
agile feels pretty big
ill try swapping it out
i dont think i'm proccing it reliably enough in h40
tepid otter
Ehh, its aigt
quick shell
I could run like, caxe or taxe I guess? idk if just kraks are enough anti armour though
given how absurd enemy armour numbers are
I wish the falchion was a real weapon
tepid otter
I mean it is, its just mid 
quick shell
hmm i could run a chaxe
tepid otter
I still use it tho
tall torrent
what do I drop for the extra kraks and krak damage?
OYT
tall torrent
anything else or just that, and keep 3 kraks with the extra damage
drop OYT for tinkerer
good enough
quick shell
quick shell
yeah idk it is
tame dragon
orchid hemlock
what do I drop for the extra kraks and krak damage?
I would drop on your toes or SC
quick shell
I'm not gonna drop SC in fuckin rotten hav40 LOL
orchid hemlock
why not?
tall torrent
OYT is better drop here
orchid hemlock
rotten armor isn't really a "damage" problem it is making sure you have the melee weapons and CC to deal with the crusher hordes
spark helm
He treats the faithful
Didn't need his favor for the luck I had before the needed crafting and progression change.
lyric path
hey which veteran ranged weapon is versatile
tall torrent
hey which veteran ranged weapon is versatile
check pinned guide lol
narrow frost
Nice
lyric path
can't even call it vet guide now
oof bolt pistol huh
narrow frost
Are you adding attack combo for non vet stuff
tall torrent
Are you adding attack combo for non vet stuff
yea check relic blade section
lyric path
yea check relic blade section
also i thought this was a vet guide not a stinky zealot guide
tall torrent
also i thought this was a vet guide not a stinky zealot guide
no, it just is "guide"
orchid hemlock
no, it just is "guide"
It's more than that 
tall torrent
u shud be able to tell pretty easily by going through the intro sections
why would I list soulblaze and chem toxin stats if this was a veteran guide
lyric path
u shud be able to tell pretty easily by going through the intro sections
yeah you right.....reluctant as i am to admit
narrow frost
One thing I'd love is to somehow get everyone working on an enemy spawning guide
quick shell
why would I list soulblaze and chem toxin stats if this was a veteran guide
new vet buff, unsanctioned psyker
tall torrent
One thing I'd love is to somehow get everyone working on an enemy spawning guide
U could make one
Or I drag u in contributor again and u make the sections
narrow frost
I don't code dive though
I just know what things look like
And know how and where things spawn
I know a surge
The fire surge
Retribution spawn
Stuff like that
I probably have all the obj spawns memorized
I also have the debug tool for show where triggers are
I could explain triggers
narrow frost
Going to ask Combine
molten cedar
Fellas, what’s the consensus on the Power Falchion?
faint beacon
Its mediocre
tame lodge
Midchion
faint beacon
a "weapon"
lyric path
sorry about always pestering you guys with my stupid questions related to veteran
hollow ibex
the issues are much more noticeable at higher difficulties
plush oracle
lyric path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNOgWLJtdU
wow that is relaxing sorta
plush oracle
wow that is relaxing sorta
True sah d:
faint beacon
Auric and Havoc are like the two Difficulties that usually are a Decider of if something is worth it or not
thorny egret
Auric and Havoc scare me
tall torrent
Fellas, what’s the consensus on the Power Falchion?
mid at best
u can check the pinned guide for more info
thorny egret
I like it for the difficulties I play on but yeah, it's not great
chainsword is better for what I use it for
quick shell
Imagine the power sword but you got it from the discount bin at Walmart not from the forges of the adeptus mechanicus
That’s the power falchion
quick shell
Auric and Havoc are like the two Difficulties that usually are a Decider of if s...
Auric is fine
U can use whatever the fuck u want
thorny egret
today is apparently my day cuz I got me a god roll chainaxe
tall torrent
yoooooooooooo
thorny egret
dude no way, congrats!
distant plaza
inshallah i see better vet builds in pubs -_-
wraith locust
tame lodge
Really? I like it, it’s pretty cool
Unfortunately
In darktide
If something is cool it's trash
If something is boring, it's strong
Braced Autos are fun
Brrrrrr
It's trash
Recons are boring
It's strong
Hammer is cool
Dueling Sword is boring
quick shell
Hammer is cool
Hammer is bad 
frigid rover
it can be both
oh, this was the entire topic of conversation
in any event i would argue dsword is boring because it is strong, which isnt a universal rule
swoocing around like a duelist with a snobby nobleman's saber is a fun aesthetic, or a 'mood' in the parlance
if it sucked and didnt do any damage, some people would still use it
also i laugh when pressing the dodge key with the Mk V one and it moves me to a different zipcode for some reason
frank basin
yoooooooooooo
Grats
hollow ibex
inshallah i see better vet builds in pubs -_-
hybrid plover
inshallah i see better vet builds in pubs -_-
faint beacon
Chat do they know
hollow ibex
they think they know
distant plaza
https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640
Oh right, as the god emperor wills
hollow ibex
Oh right, as the god emperor wills
what's your issue with the builds?
spark iron
Is it just me or do the Loose Cannon vet and Agitator zealot talk to each other a lot?
Wonder if there's any sort of implied history between the two
distant plaza
what's your issue with the builds?
I see people running around with like, weak spot perks, limbsplitter blessings, and so on and so on sniff
So, hopefully by fat shark signal boosting the guide I’ll see at the least better weapon perk/blessing choices on pub vets
spark iron
Btw the deadshot perk cuts off once you run out of stamina, right?
spark iron
Ty
narrow torrent
Braced Autos are fun
Brrrrrr
It's trash
Ackshually agri braced is pretty good on scum
dry cloak
Ackshually agri braced is pretty good on scum <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i would say all 3 are best on scum
tame lodge
Ackshually agri braced is pretty good on scum <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I'm going to hold your right hand pinky while I tell you this
narrow torrent
3 cleave goes brrrrt
spark helm
yoooooooooooo
Hm. Neat.
dry cloak
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/GR5WlHkU0m people still slandering vigis
tepid otter
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/GR5WlHkU0m people still slandering vigis
that grammar tho
dry cloak
Yeah
gleaming sun
I'm almost done leveling the bolt pistol and I'm looking at the autoguns, which one do you recommend me to try? 🤔
unreal nova
I'm almost done leveling the bolt pistol and I'm looking at the autoguns, which ...
Inf. "Braced" sucks on vet, better off trying with ganger.
Vigilant is that 3 burst mark one. Also decent if you can aim.
dry cloak
All 3 vigis are fun
dry cloak
I'm almost done leveling the bolt pistol and I'm looking at the autoguns, which ...
Infantry and vigis are good braced are better on scum
quick shell
Pretty sure scum is better with inf anyway
dry cloak
Scum has perks that specifically benefit from ,,brace,, action
unreal nova
Pretty sure scum is better with inf anyway
Vraks, yes. Though they have the dual autos for the same but better.
Except reload speed. At least from messing around.
dry cloak
Uzis benefit alot from speedload blessing
quick shell
Vraks, yes. Though they have the dual autos for the same but better.
The infantry autoguns have more damage
quick shell
Scum has perks that specifically benefit from ,,brace,, action
And yet is still better with the other guns
unreal nova
The infantry autoguns have more damage
Similiar imo. At least when dumping into pogryns.
dry cloak
And yet is still better with the other guns
Ah youre in the meta is everything canp
Fine
quick shell
Simply having reduced spread is fine
But the guns are still pretty similar in performance
dry cloak
I like using unique weapons on new classes
quick shell
Plus iirc the brautos have pretty shit finesse multipliers
Brautos aren’t exactly unique
unreal nova
Simply having reduced spread is fine
They both kick equally messy.
cloud reef
i know its out of meta but is there any havoc-viable autogun build u guys can recommend?
quick shell
Probably just the basic weapon spec build with a power sword lmfao
gleaming sun
Gotcha, I'll see for infantry or vigis 🤔
tall torrent
i know its out of meta but is there any havoc-viable autogun build u guys can re...
Vig 3, basically same build as plasma gun
Just modify based on the template I have in my guide
cloud reef
Just modify based on the template I have in my guide
which template exactly, the first general template?
tall torrent
which template exactly, the first general template?
There’s 1 section just called veteran build havoc
cloud reef
thx
faint beacon
Vig III + Tac Axe VII is literally just ol reliable for my H40 builds
crimson wyvern
me and my friend saxton
what the fuck were these two guys doing all game
they both had dueling sword
faint beacon
What classes exactly
faint beacon
Psyker and they somehow Didnt curb stomp everyone in damage
mystic pilot
Hotshot lasgun (not hot shot volley lasgun that you see NPCs use in game) is already represented by one of the infantry lasgun marks or helbore lasgun?
Someone said Accatran Mk XII Recon Lasgun is the best fit?
proud jolt
Thought about using infantry autogun, any tips how to run it, I've never used any of the autoguns
I'm lvl 30 on all characters lol, but never used any
narrow torrent
Thought about using infantry autogun, any tips how to run it, I've never used an...
Vraks is considered the best
Flak/maniac/unyielding, and Death Spitter and I forget what the other blessing is off the top of my head
dry cloak
Flak/maniac/unyielding, and Death Spitter and I forget what the other blessing i...
dumdum
however it can be made into really good anti gunner gun
dry cloak
Thought about using infantry autogun, any tips how to run it, I've never used an...
realistically use any one of the 3 infantry autoguns imo all 3 are good
agripinna hits hard, colmnus is the middle ground and vraks is basically a smg
calm shard
agri hits hard, columnus has zero recoil, vraks has the highest dps of any gun in the game
calm shard
bolter loses out because it has to reload
and then the vraks fires 40 more bullets xd
bolter has higher burst damage, but worse dps
still dove
thoughts on recon lasgun in havoc?
calm shard
pretty good, but usually your build will end up favoring other weapons
especially with the vigilant autoguns being the new king of the "low gun investment" guns
still dove
hmm ok
still dove
pretty good, but usually your build will end up favoring other weapons
using this with xii lasgun and power sword
wouldn't the left keystone be better
calm shard
if you have a power sword and kraks what do you need the rending for
also no not for recon lasgun
recon lasgun only benefits from middle keystone
still dove
ah ok
calm shard
it has bad critical and weakspot damage so it doesn't benefit from MMF's massive finesse boost, and it's a fully automatiuc weapon so Weapon Specialist's one guaranteed crit doesn't do much for it
still dove
i understand
proud jolt
I prefer power Saber, thing is awesome, I've never cared for the power sword
glacial beacon
Power failchion
pearl falcon
Newish player here, I'm working on a double barrel shotgun and power sword + weapon specialist build rn I found on YT, but I am failing to see how the double barrel can cleave enough to do meaningful horde clear.
I'm getting enough melee kills to proc the guaranteed shotgun crit for the cleave, but unsure what makes this good enough to take over plasma or recon las.
distant plaza
Newish player here, I'm working on a double barrel shotgun and power sword + wea...
manstopper blessing = nigh infinite cleave on crit
flechette for bleed stacks on crit
pearl falcon
So basically a bleed version of scum's needle pistol?
distant plaza
epic cole has a video showcasing the playstyle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TPxeSgUCc
pearl falcon
Thank you for this, I think I need to see some examples of how it works over a build tree clip
unreal nova
So basically a bleed version of scum's needle pistol?
Toxin does way more.
hollow ibex
Thank you for this, I think I need to see some examples of how it works over a b...
take manstopper flechette on DB
pearl falcon
I figured it did
hollow ibex
and WS
hollow ibex
kill 3 guys with melee -> gurantee crit on DB -> take out DB and shoot, killing at least one enemy
switch back to melee
repeat loop until everything is dead
this is against 50 bruisers lol
you can see how fast the clear is with DB
pearl falcon
Ooooo
Thank you, the visual helps a lot
I've been practicing on Damnation and I think I haven't had the time to just sit and check if my cleaves are doing things like this
calm shard
Newish player here, I'm working on a double barrel shotgun and power sword + wea...
the manstopper blessing that says it gives "increased cleave" on critical hit is misleading
you see it's actually infinite cleave
pearl falcon
Infinite?
calm shard
yes
infinite
if it does not hit a wall or something that blocks cleave it will go through it
no matter what
it is only stopped by walls, carapace armor, and bulwark shields
pearl falcon
So basically a tiny lil railgun
calm shard
if you want a tiny lil railgun you use the agripinaa combat shotgun
the one with the slug
it has the same blessing
pearl falcon
Oooo
calm shard
those are havoc 40 maulers btw
pearl falcon
Is there any reason I would take the DB over the combat shotty?
calm shard
it has flechette, and better damage anywhere that is not further away than like...7 meters or so
it's better at close range
and killing crowds because of the wide spread+comical damage
pearl falcon
Aaaaah okay
I may need to practice getting closer when firing then
Thanks for the info all, very helpful
calm shard
well double barrel is kinda just
delete a direction kinda gun
you see a bundle of enemies you don't wanna deal with and you just shoot once and they're probably all gonna die
steel barn
Chat, what are the best blessings and perks for a bolt pistol?
calm shard
unless they're crushers
hollow ibex
Chat, what are the best blessings and perks for a bolt pistol?
depends on the build but typically lethal prox puncture if you're running it as a sidearm/buff stick
calm shard
Chat, what are the best blessings and perks for a bolt pistol?
lethal proximity (the best part of bolt pistol is not using it), and then puncture (bolt pistol is in desperate need of damage)
steel barn
Cool, thank u
What about perks tho? Flak/Carapace or Maniacs?
Or like something else entirely?
narrow torrent
What about perks tho? Flak/Carapace or Maniacs?
Yea, flak maniacs I believe
calm shard
What about perks tho? Flak/Carapace or Maniacs?
I think it's flak/unarmored
Since it can't kill dreg gunners without it
and +maniacs it still can't one shot specialists so
calm shard
people run bolt pistol almost exclusively because lethal proximity makes all explosions bigger
which includes shredder grenades for veteran
and kraks also get like a fraction of a meter
steel barn
Didn't think unarmoured would be one for bolt pistol
Flak feels like the obvious one tho. I'll try maniacs, i'll try unarmoured and see which I prefer. If I have too much trouble with gunners from it then yeah i'll go unarmoured
hollow ibex
dreg gunner
but bistol breakpoints suck ass either way
unless you crutch on WS crits
or go full ranged build
steel barn
I'm just tryna do Comissar larp on Vet so that's why i'm runnin bolt pistol rn, idk if I should pair it with like power sword, power falchion or like chainsword maybe tho
This isn't meant to be like a high tier build, just something for funnsies basically
hollow ibex
pswords always good
calm shard
or go full ranged build
yeah but like at that point...use the normal bolter?
calm shard
I'm just tryna do Comissar larp on Vet so that's why i'm runnin bolt pistol rn, ...
save yourself the suffering and use laspistol
comissars use those too and it's a way better gun
hollow ibex
yeah but like at that point...use the normal bolter?
because bistol gets DA
and has superb mobility
so it's actually quite fun
calm shard
if you are signing onto gun vet and want mobility you are playing the wrong archetype
you will equip the helbore/bolter be slow as fuck and LIKE IT
calm shard
what are you going to do about it <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
oh my goodness gracious
@tall torrent
steel barn
*comissars use those too and it's a way better gun*
I do like Laspistol tbh, didn't realise it was better than bolt pistol tho
calm shard
most things are better than bolt pistol
steel barn
Crazy
I saw someone make a build with a bolt pistol and chainaxe on gameslantern and immediately thought "nope" tbh
hollow ibex
good instinct cuz public GL builds tend to be pretty shit
steel barn
Is there a way to make like a generalist Vet build where it doesn't really matter too much what weapons I use with it?
Oh wait the pinned one has that kinda thing goin on for it
Cool
cloud reef
Doing a bit of theory crafting, does anyone happen to know the crit value on spearhead boltgun?
gilded wraith
oh my goodness gracious
Good old Fatshark, ignore Path during the vet rework then put their work on the load screen. Still happy for Path.
hollow ibex
Doing a bit of theory crafting, does anyone happen to know the crit value on spe...
Decent
cloud reef
25? 50? any idea?
gilded wraith
As in multiplier?
cloud reef
ye like 125 or 150% of original value
frigid vine
Is it possible to get “Make Every Shot Count” with a Spearhead Boltgun? Somehow I am stuck on that penance
gilded wraith
Looks like 1.6 for the original.
Boltgun would not be my choice for that penance.
Double barrel or revolver were the old standby.
frigid vine
Ill try that thanks
gilded wraith
Ill try that thanks
Just let the team know you're trying for it. Most people are pretty understanding.
still dove
marksmans focus or focus target for a spearhead boltgun build
frigid vine
Double barrel or revolver were the old standby.
Got it now with the double barrel
calm shard
marksmans focus or focus target for a spearhead boltgun build
on the one hand reload speed
on the other hand a more relevant damage boost
hollow ibex
finesse damage boost is pretty good on bolter tho
surreal rune
marksmans focus or focus target for a spearhead boltgun build
focus target is better for the bolter as a boss or elite horde destroyer. redirect fire stacks make it hit specialist breakpoints without surgical.
focus target also allows your team to deal more damage to bosses and redirect fire simply gives an all-around damage boost to everyone
marksman's focus only gives ranged finesse boost to you. the bolter is already clunky to use to snipe, and isnt ammo efficient if you want to use it so often
you would already hit the same breakpoints that marksman's focus would give you with focus target, with less point investment into only ranged damage
hollow ibex
bolter's primarily a sniper weapon to begin with
on vet
and is pretty ammo efficient as long as you're sniping
and MMF isn't dependant on pinging
it just works
and it gives reload speed (which bolter loves) and one of the best toughness restore talents, tunnel vision
because a sniper bolter build would/should be using ES
if you want to use FT i think there's better weapons for it
though bolter FT is still perfectly good and fine ofc
surreal rune
m youre right
the person asked for a bolter build, not a build that happened to use the bolter
hollow ibex
FT's fine too, i just prefer to focus on personal benefits because i only play with pubs
FT is wasted on pubbies
it's basically only good for bosses which you won't have problems with either way when running bolter
frigid vine
Is there a list somewhere to see which damage type is against what enemy?
gilded wraith
gameslantern is the best that I've found.
sharp epoch
Is there a list somewhere to see which damage type is against what enemy?
theres only like 10 enemies or soemthing
frigid vine
theres only like 10 enemies or soemthing
Yes im new player I dont know which one is maniac or infested etc
frigid vine
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743
Thank you
sharp epoch
Yes im new player I dont know which one is maniac or infested etc
this chats for veteran players not new
frigid vine
And then another question, for the chainsword: the Shred blessing, it says chained hit. What is a chained hit? Is it when I turn the special on? The chainsaw? Or is it a series of hits so a chained hit sequence?
hollow ibex
chained hit means repeated hits
austere mica
Consectutive hits without missing
frigid vine
Ah okay perfect thanks
gilded wraith
this chats for veteran players not new <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Let's be honest, this is one of the few populated and helpful chats. 😃
jaunty tinsel
So on my melee I probably want Flak and Carapace?
i like stam myself for one of them because it makes rezzing a bit easier
or it did, i havent seriously studied it since the stam rework
quick shell
i like stam myself for one of them because it makes rezzing a bit easier
most weapons want damage for breakpoints
jaunty tinsel
most weapons want damage for breakpoints
i should say i use psword where i generally never struggle with damage in the first place outside of maybe crushers
signal juniper
Im new to the game and reaching level 23, does the weapon level matter at all?
signal juniper
Yeah i have 100,000 money by now
quick shell
weapon level determines how far you can upgrade weapons
signal juniper
I have weapons with 360 level and such but im guessing for now it dont matter
jaunty tinsel
nah not until max level bcuz u cant even get fully upgraded weapons yet anyway iirc
signal juniper
So just keep playing with whatever i like then
narrow frost
while leveling try new weapons
and only try to get a perfect roll weapon when max level
signal juniper
Yeah i already tried every weapon for veteran, i like the 8 round boltgun that just makes people disappear with one shot
gilded wraith
Same goes for curios, you won't see 410-430 rated until level 30 generally.
signal juniper
and only try to get a perfect roll weapon when max level
How do you even try this
narrow frost
go to brunt, roll grey weapons until you roll one with the dump stat being at 60%
rustic hemlock
what's the best gun for a special/elite focused sniper type build?
similar to what handgun kruber does in vermintide
gilded wraith
(second weapon category in brunt's where you can pick the weapon style, not the random weapons that change every 30 minutes)
Helbore if you have good reflexes and don't hate the charge mechanic.
signal juniper
go to brunt, roll grey weapons until you roll one with the dump stat being at 60...
Oh so thats what the guides and videos refer to when talking about dump stat
narrow frost
what's the best gun for a special/elite focused sniper type build?
similar to w...
Las rifle, recon las fun, las pistol, helbore, vigilant autogun, revolver, bolter, plasma
narrow frost
Oh so thats what the guides and videos refer to when talking about dump stat
Weapon stats can only total 380, this is 4 80's and 1 60. the 60 is the dump, the stat with least importance
gilded wraith
Oh so thats what the guides and videos refer to when talking about dump stat
Bath's guide in the pinned comments will give you the dump stat for each weapon variety.
signal juniper
Im guessing if i want that gold shine on the weapon equipment screen i need to take that grey weapon and level it up all the way
jaunty tinsel
what's the best gun for a special/elite focused sniper type build?
similar to w...
helbore is 1:1 closest to what you're asking for
rustic hemlock
Las rifle, recon las fun, las pistol, helbore, vigilant autogun, revolver, bolte...
best
lists all guns
jaunty tinsel
it also happens to be one of the best guns for MMF period
narrow frost
ammo/cleave/utility/speed
rustic hemlock
what's mmf
jaunty tinsel
marksman's focus
signal juniper
Boltgun my beloved
gilded wraith
Left tree keystone.
jaunty tinsel
the one that's all about shooting good
i use it with recon and it kicks serious ass, but helbore is technically better
signal juniper
Recon is pretty good, i like it more than las gun
jaunty tinsel
im a recon truther, i never use anything else unless i have to do a melee build or im leveling masteries
gilded wraith
the one that's all about shooting good
Helbore is probably the closest thing to a skill expression ranged weapon in the vet tree, but everything rewards weakspot hits to one degree or another.
jaunty tinsel
once u unlock ur 8th chakra about range and height you can just park your recon at that level and the spread will guarantee weakspot hits
gilded wraith
im a recon truther, i never use anything else unless i have to do a melee build ...
6c my beloved.
jaunty tinsel
a horde of groaners is basically just a pinata that gives me 15 mmf stacks
and then i delete crushers after
the only thing i really don't do super well is bosses, so i make myself more useful by wiping out the adds that show up with them
let the zealot with his goofy thammer build 2shot the boss
gilded wraith
running infernus on it, or something else?
jaunty tinsel
infernus, onslaught, dum-dum
ik people swear onslaught is a meme but u just gotta know what it helps with and what's better to switch to krak with
gilded wraith
gotcha, should be okay boss damage... there's just a lot of ludicrious boss damage out there right now
jaunty tinsel
i think the problem is that unlike in other cases you don't really have any way to build MMF stacks against a boss
and thats where i notice recon goes from good to insane
gilded wraith
onslaught got a lot easier to reach post rework, most of the hate is what you had to give up to reach it pre-rework
jaunty tinsel
pre-rework was also pre-HP buff funny enough, where i actually could just recon against anything
now ironically even though its technically more efficient i had to give up shredders for krak
hollow ibex
ik people swear onslaught is a meme but u just gotta know what it helps with and...
cuz it is a meme
jaunty tinsel
see what i mean?
limpid sand
I just got a 60% mobility lasrecon, should I upgrade it or is there anything else I should be looking for
hollow ibex
I just got a 60% mobility lasrecon, should I upgrade it or is there anything els...
that's fine but collat's the best dump
doesn't matter though
hollow ibex
see what i mean?
onslaught only meaningfully helps against crushers, and requires you to use mk 12 (honestly the worst version of the recon las)
jaunty tinsel
i see a lot of benefit from it in general against other elites like ragers
hollow ibex
if you're hitting nothing but the body and you're not running infernus, then sure... but why would you ever do that?
calm shard
onslaught only meaningfully helps against crushers, and requires you to use mk 1...
Mk XIV propaganda
I say as though I didn't literally use the Mk XIV recon lasgun as an argument for why pickpocket is not the reason behind gun scum being too strong xd
hollow ibex
i would take the XIV over XII
calm shard
Like I used it because it's such an everything gun
And can easily run deadshot just by unga bunga shooting everything
hollow ibex
i feel like deadshot is mandatory on XIV
if you're not going to run deadshot, just run VI
tall torrent
oh my goodness gracious
yea ik
tall torrent
Good old Fatshark, ignore Path during the vet rework then put their work on the ...
I reached out to them to put it on launcher lol
livid hill
onslaught got a lot easier to reach post rework, most of the hate is what you ha...
What can proc it ooc
Cause i tried with a few weapons and it feels like the best proccy is reconlas
primal zealot
naturally recons gonna be the best at proccing it due to its rof
is there such a thing as a build that makes the brauto melt crushers ? i have some vague memory of hearing about that but it was ages ago
tame lodge
It probably exists in the really impractical realm
Onslaught is involved 100%
Then idk
Bank on Crits and MMF
And red nodes
calm shard
onslaught got a lot easier to reach post rework, most of the hate is what you ha...
well and also the limited scope of weapons it's good with
ripe gulch
hey lads, what should be the dump stat on the plasma gun
olive quarry
Can anyone recommend a good lasgun sharpshooter build 😅
primal zealot
Onslaught is involved 100%
yea that much is certain. this was like waaay before i made a vet so idk if it was ever a srs possibility. i kinda wanna try to make something like it tho
narrow frost
hey lads, what should be the dump stat on the plasma gun
71 charge, 69 thermal
if you are poor do 60% thermal
hollow ibex
well and also the limited scope of weapons it's good with
and also the limited scope of enemies it's good for
so there are a hell of a lot of caveats for onslaught's effectiveness
quick shell
I should touch the helbore again
Do not the helbore.
umbral urchin
orchid hemlock
Path after releasing the Vet guide:
narrow frost
plasma is not best in slot
and yes revolver can be run on vet
its really fun
I use it with exstance and shovel
golden flicker
could you tell me what i should do for a good revolver ?
also if plasma is not then what is for ranged ?
narrow frost
The guide in pins have every little detail you'll need
narrow frost
also if plasma is not then what is for ranged ?
Helbore, agri shotgun
and more
just depends on what you need
there really isnt a "best"
golden flicker
shotguns ?
quick shell
why is it? they've always been good
narrow frost
the slug on the combatshot gun is insane
golden flicker
so to know shotties are back is kinda weird
narrow frost
I probably have a video somewhere of me using it
golden flicker
also the steam community guide link isn't working for me
quick shell
i need to look into some more vet setups tbh
narrow frost
are you on pc?
golden flicker
ye
quick shell
how would you feel about chaxe and db for hav40?
hmm, nah prob not
getting a shotgun and running psword shotgun sounds nice though
narrow frost
how would you feel about chaxe and db for hav40?
sounds fun, Chaxe can be built for single target
and weapon specialist DB is always fun
quick shell
yeah
im concerned about rotten armour
im kinda shit with the psword though
and mixed feelings on shovel
primal zealot
theyre both still good
blazing jetty
Shovel is nice
uneven kelp
Shovel is stupid
It is literaly a shovel but it can have the blessing that gives 125% rendering
so with a shovel you can kill crushers like if they aren't even wearing armor
blazing jetty
when the strike is uncanny
uneven kelp
The MK1 (the only one that doesn't fold) has a special attack that makes literaly anything drop to the ground in 1 hit to the head btw
blazing jetty
uneven kelp
the dueling sword is better to kill single targets aka elite, but the shovel hit like armor doesn't exist while also beeing very good against hordes
tame lodge
is the shovel actually good ?
It's mid tier
So uh
Half full glass
Or
Half empty glass
Make your choice
uneven kelp
Looks strong to me, though. Are others weapons just that much better ?
tame lodge
Yeah
golden flicker
wait which shovel is the one that does both ?
and also the guide doesn't work lol
hollow ibex
wait which shovel is the one that does both ?
7 and 3 are folding, and more focused on single target
1 is more versatile
quick shell
im not sure what id want out of a shovel ngl
maybe i do just give chainaxe a go
i could also try caxe but idk how that'll perform into armour
quick shell
i have used it a fair bit
i think i just need to play with the psword a bunch
and get better with it too
i always end up eating hits vs hordes
tame lodge
Combat Axe is pretty simple
quick shell
yeah ive used them a lot
tame lodge
Heavy Attack for Carapace and Unyielding
Light everything else
The occasional push attack light light for Ragers
quick shell
yep
proud jolt
me everytime I use hellbore
me after hitting every explosive barrel, killing every teammate
fair shale
congrats
frank basin
Shiteran
Shitker
Shillot
Shitgryn
Shitbites
Shitscum
vast ruin
played since launch btw
still dove
is serrated blade good for power sword or should i pick field improv
heavy rover
is serrated blade good for power sword or should i pick field improv
Serrated Blade pairs well with Sunder on power sword
still dove
thanks
im using this build but with power sword, what do you guys think of it? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffcb49f-4d5f-4685-9027-44f84f0d6b5e/plasma-gun-veteran-current
frank basin
im using this build but with power sword, what do you guys think of it? https://...
Serrated blade? On dueling sword?
frank basin
Oh
frank basin
i swapped to ps
This fine for play swappery style with plasma and ps
Could have reload every horde/action break
3.3% wont load fully but steadily drain plasma very slow. And ps is slow mobility would rely on sliding a lot
still dove
Could have reload every horde/action break
what node is that?
frank basin
what node is that?
No i meant like whenever Theres break between fight you reload to prepare fully
still dove
ooh
frank basin
Unless you shoot a lot plasma ammo
severe gale
frank basin
10 year ago was it a promise?
faint beacon
Its alright mainly cause it has Uncanny which does heavy lifting
ancient path
looking for a fun melee weapon to pair with infantry las (mk7)
hollow ibex
how good is shovel at killing carapace.
mk1 = decent
mk3 = nukes them
mk7 = somewhere in between the two
ancient path
i keep hoping one day theyll put the cadian armors for vet back in the shop
grand whale
If I wanted to go mobility combat knife what should my dump stat be?
And what mark should I use?
gilded pike
Hmm. What melee weapon clears poxwalker crowds most effectively? (Havoc oriented)
analog mural
If I wanted to go mobility combat knife what should my dump stat be?
Still mobility
faint beacon
Tac Axe
narrow frost
Smoke Grenade
lyric path
ya know why cant we vets be able reload while sprinting?
vagrant dagger
i've not tried it yet, but there's a revolver blessing that lets you shoot while sprinting, does it also allow reloading?
also, the other classes can do that?
unreal nova
also, the other classes can do that?
You can slide quell, IDK slide reload.
sly orchid
vagrant dagger
What melee goes best with revolver? I'm using a devil's claw sword rn because it has the crowd control keyword and +10% infested damage
i got a blue axe recently but it seems like a single-target anti-armor thing and i already have the revolver for that
analog mural
Power sword, combat or tac axe, knife or DS, all strong options
Axes have strong clear once you put brutal momentum on them
vagrant dagger
i forgot what level i am, but it's a single-digit level. no power sword
pine plume
If you're single digit level then just play the game, you can be concerned with weapons once you can actually afford them
vagrant dagger
k thanks makes sense
there's so much to learn and unlock. this is precisely why i refuse to play tf2, there's decades of sweat to contend with and it's pvp too
analog mural
I would recommend checking the pins for some guides to help, each class chat tends to have some useful info in the pins. Kuli's guides are also great and give lots of supplementary info
unkempt lodge
What chainsword Mark and Blessings are best to kill Crushers?
floral creek
Are there any Catachan themed skins at Comodore's?
dry cloak
Are there any Catachan themed skins at Comodore's?
never were
closest thing was armageddon ork hunters
floral creek
I'm on the fence about the one that's currently in the cycle, the one's that look like tank crew with the wires and all
Olive and tan colors
tall torrent
What chainsword Mark and Blessings are best to kill Crushers?
Neither is good at it
floral creek
I did like the brand new one this year, with the dominant maroon colors and spiky motif, I got them for each of the 4 base classes
floral creek
save your money if nothing looks good enough
Yeah strongly agree with this one.
I did like the Elucidian Starstriders one a few cycles ago, but my ass was too unemployed that time.
floral creek
There's one I really like for the veteran though, the one where the lore is that the guy is just collecting Cadian memorabilia
tall torrent
Unfortunately there’s only ever been 1 good veteran upper body cosmetic released (that doesn’t run into any major issue)
floral creek
This one
tall torrent
And it’s the rogue trader upper body
floral creek
Unfortunately there’s only ever been 1 good veteran upper body cosmetic released...
Ooh which one is this?
tall torrent
Ooh which one is this?
This is the 1 singular veteran upper body that doesn’t run into major issues
floral creek
Oh the pirate looking one, I confused it for the one that had a bluish grey color. That one wasn't rogue trader, it was some noble house.
tall torrent
Arms don’t break (as visibly) in first person animations
Clipping between trinkets on armor is tolerable
Doesn’t render weirdly with holes in clothing beyond 5m
Somehow this is a really high bar to match for vet upper body
floral creek
I guess I understand how upset you get with clipping though.
A major reason why I dislike armors and syandanas in Warframe lmao
tall torrent
I tolerate clipping where it’s not clipping all the time
If it only clips with specific animations it’s like, fine, I’ll let it pass
But the other 2 are the bigger issues
Most cosmetics don’t render arm enough
And the game renders every character at lower detail beyond a few meters (which makes some cosmetics just have holes in it or have other weird artifacts)
dry cloak
no
unkempt lodge
Do we have any upper body cosmetic that matches this Krieg officer?
tepid otter
Do we have any upper body cosmetic that matches this Krieg officer?
Lookwise?
unkempt lodge
yup
unkempt lodge
Can this work? or is too much?
cloud reef
Can this work? or is too much?
i vote no
calm shard
Do we have any upper body cosmetic that matches this Krieg officer?
so this is about the best you could do prob
jade flower
am I blind? There used to be a hammer for the emperor guide as a document but I can't find it D:
mystic pilot
so this is about the best you could do prob
I dont have the helmet! 😭
calm shard
I dont have the helmet! 😭
yeah krieg cosmetics suck anyways I don't blame you
the blue coat is the only good cosmetic that entire guard regiment will ever produce for this game
and it probably ain't ever comin' back
thorny egret
Happy Holidays to all the Vets!
south pelican
What do yall use as a dump stat on the plasma gun?
hybrid flame
gilded wraith
The goal is 8 uncharged shots before thermals throttling.
Pain in the butt to craft. Max it before you customize blessings in case the stat distribution shifts when it's empowered.
cloud reef
what does range strength finesse do?
hollow ibex
what does range strength finesse do?
where are you seeing this? 🤔
finesse and strength are two different things
quick shell
how good is the plasguns ammo economy in havoc? it feels pretty tight
cloud reef
oh that's just increasing ranged finesse
but strength as well right?
quick shell
very small pickups and not really much ammo back from armour
hollow ibex
but strength as well right?
quick shell
that is a weird description. pretty sure it's just finesse
cloud reef
wtf
hollow ibex
what they're trying to say is just ranged finesse
cloud reef
ranged finesse amount?
hollow ibex
don't get me wrong, still a substantial buff
but it's finesse, not strength
would be insane if it was both finesse and strength
cloud reef
i just started so i have no clue of what it used to be
hollow ibex
hasty holly
what do you guys do against the chaos spawn with a power sword? i am sitting in a psychanium trying to 1v1 it and i just lose
narrow frost
what do you guys do against the chaos spawn with a power sword? i am sitting in ...
Are you using the lag mod?
hasty holly
no
hasty holly
wouldnt lag be worse
hasty holly
i have like 130 ping or smth
narrow frost
certain attacks you cant dodge with no lag comp
but with lag you do
I can get a clip real quick
with 88 ping
hasty holly
ty
narrow frost
also
dodge like this
here is with 0 ping
the tumble forward attack has an easier time hitting me
its hard to exactly tell
but being around 60-90 ping helps the most
stark holly
im using combat axe with brutal momentum and headtaker, but it seems pretty underwhelming into both hordes as well as carapace
maybe I am not really understanding the differnce between the different marks and when to use what
but tactical axe just seems much better?
narrow frost
what mark for Combat?
stark holly
mk5 antax mostly, but ive experimented with the others too
for perks im using 25% to carapace and 10% to elite
stark holly
whats the main difference between the marks? Other than the swing patterns ofc
dry cloak
Im using antax to great succes on vet
Rashad is fine
I simply like antax more for its special action
gleaming sun
and it probably ain't ever comin' back
Why is never coming back? How come, it was a special promotion or something?
atomic void
whats the main difference between the marks? Other than the swing patterns ofc
Rashad beats the other two by a country mile that's the biggest difference
hollow ibex
for perks im using 25% to carapace and 10% to elite
unarmored is mandatory
unarmored cara
orchid hemlock
Unarmored Deez
green siren
quick shell
pretty sure it's not actually that high
green siren
no, that's sadly legit, got a bug
something has to do with activating it at the same moment when pox burster bombs you
not only i got this cooldown, but it started counting "down" deeper in negative numbers
death fixed this tho
charred halo
power sword and power falchion good for melee vet?
gentle lake
Psword is objectively better yeah
cloud reef
im a firm believer that the more you enjoy the weapon the better you play with it
follow ur heart bro@charred halo
proud bluff
Does the brittleness perk on the boltgun and the brittleness from onslaught stack? Not using either i am just curious
green siren
not only i got this cooldown, but it started counting "down" deeper in negative ...
false alarm, it's just an UI bug
green siren
im a firm believer that the more you enjoy the weapon the better you play with i...
unless it's some ultra garbage weapon like shredder gun
but i agree in general
quick shell
so sword better
sword is the best melee weap in the game. it's always better.
fiery patrol
hey, which heavy eviscerator mark is better?
ivory kiln
I like how you post that in vet chat
fiery patrol
yeah because zealot chat is.. different
ivory kiln
I prefer the original for it's attack pattern but I couldnt tell you which is definitively better
fiery patrol
im just a partime Z
ivory kiln
yeah because zealot chat is.. different
you say that, general chat seems more cursed
fiery patrol
thats why im in vet chat 🙂
ivory kiln
I like the mk2, but I've heard MK15 is better at single target I'm unsure havent looked much into it despite my own enjoyment
fiery patrol
hm yeah. just that 15 has a silly PA
quick shell
it's sort of preference but imo mk3 has a better moveset
it's a bit more complex though
sonic kayak
Ironically I enjoy the 15 just for that
Lights are sweeping attacks, heavies are overheads, PA is a stab, simple
But that's the funny thing with choices
Ultimately both are good and have good skill expression
lyric path
DB shotgun sucks on vet i think