veteran-class

[brisk epoch]

Is loose cannon or cuttthroat more unhinged?

can we agree that for some reason space marine bolters have more ammo than ours

[tall torrent]

unhinged in what way

[tall torrent]

their boltguns are not the same as ours

[brisk epoch]

all the waysd

[analog mural]

We use human bolt guns which are smaller

[tall torrent]

loose cannon is a traumatized person that's sugarcoating all that PTSD with jokes
cutthroat is an elite warrior with bad PTSD because they didn't die alongside Cadia (they fought during the 13th black crusade)

[brisk epoch]

so which one has more unhinged voicelines

[tall torrent]

cutthroat:
"close quarters is efficient. saves ammo. taste the blood"

[brisk epoch]

[tame lodge]

"Watch. Learn. Then shoot yourself " - Cutthroat

[brisk epoch]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9608832643163256134/0EB80E83A20D8135916354E7FA520B0AF10602AC/ I had the biggest fail ever

[tame lodge]

Just realized I forgot to change Shock Trooper while running the new bolter

https://tenor.com/view/monster-bob-blob-stare-gif-1160213367645308177

[cunning maple]

are there any melee power sword veteran builds out there?

[tall torrent]

yea check pinned guide

[unreal nova]

LC is just a PTSDing goober. Happily loots the dead and such but is all to keep themselves alive... Mentally unstable watching their comrades die horribly in an event. The Emperor did not protect and basically failed them in a way.

[brisk epoch]

[unreal nova]

You know where you are the last survivor drenched in the blood of your 'brothers'?

Basically drowning in it?

Yeah.

[gentle lake]

Uh yeah because they're space marines?

[sleek snow]

pretty sure space marine bolters are not the same bolters?

like the recoil from the space marine's bolters would probably break our wrists lol

[unreal nova]

Maybe not zealots. Faith is a serious thing.

[sleek snow]

Space Marine bolters are significantly different from the heavier, often vehicle-mounted or static heavy bolters used by the Astra Militarum; Space Marine bolters are handcrafted, genetically keyed weapons scaled for their enhanced physiology and power armor, firing larger, more powerful self-propelled explosive rounds, while Guardsmen use scaled-down or different patterns (like Godwyn or Deimos)

[unreal nova]

Just make the orkz believe you can.

[sleek snow]

maybe if they believed they were space marines and somehow genetically modified themselves they could shoot it lol

put that into a book, a band of orks that can use space marine weapons

[austere mica]

Orks could use marine stuff just fine

[tall torrent]

@calm shard can u check with healthbar on a havoc dreg gunner (2100hp) to see how much dmg a no-buff throwing knife (zealot's) does on unarmored (both crit and no-crit if possible)

edit: nvm I figured it out, no need

[tame lodge]

The standard marine bolter is Godwyn Ultima iirc

While ours is Locke

Which is mostly used by Arby's

While sisters are Godwyn D'az

Btw

First time played with a Supplier

The crate had a red effect

So is it safe to assume he was using the "aggressive" cartel stimm

[sleek snow]

not sure? but yea most people invest into the damage one?

[unreal nova]

I think they are always red.

[tame lodge]

If that's the case

[unreal nova]

When i ran Toughness CDR, it was still red.

[tame lodge]

Horrible game design

[unreal nova]

Penances.

[tame lodge]

How am I supposed to know what my supplier is running

[unreal nova]

See aspd.

LUL.

Or your dodges make you fly off gloriana.

[tame lodge]

What if I have 2 suppliers
And 1 is using aggressive
And the other is using defensive

How am I supposed to keep track

Smh

Horrible design

[unreal nova]

Just guess. XD

[tame lodge]

It isn't a big deal
Just something I was thinking

[unreal nova]

I know.

I wish they made it more obvious.

Maybe the effect be tinged a color based on the mix rather than always light bright teal green.

[tame lodge]

also funny thing that happened

And before you ask why I didn't melee

I was flexing

Oggy and Hiver were on yellow/red ammo a good amount of times

[sleek snow]

20 fps? jeebus

[tame lodge]

While I didn't pick a single tin or stash of ammo

[tame lodge]

Yeah

My GPU doesn't meet minimum requirements

So it bottleneckes

Yay

[sleek snow]

yayyy what is it?

[tame lodge]

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1650

Not planning on getting a better one

Back to grinding the event

34 left

24 hours remaining

[sleek snow]

you got it

[unreal nova]

You could totally meet it and still play with cinematic 24 FPS if the game says so btw.

[tame lodge]

I could play it in play dough mode

Funniest thing ever

500 Aquilas secured

https://tenor.com/view/lil-baby-money-gif-25135177

[sleek snow]

yayyyy

[tame lodge]

Met one hell of a player on the last mission

Shroudfield Eviscerator Recon Zealot

[analog mural]

Was he actually good

[narrow frost]

We'll never know

Popped invis and never was heard from again

[analog mural]

New patch: Using invis ability now uninstalls your game

[livid sphinx]

I DID IT

I FUCKING DID IT

I GOT AURIC STORM SURVIVOR

FUCK IM SO GOOD

[dry cloak]

ASS title

people will think youre trash

[livid sphinx]

FUCK

Lick my ass

[dry cloak]

nah

thats the reputation the title has

because of how it was possible to cheese

still good job

[livid sphinx]

Still better than Dedicated Adept

Thanks

[cinder wagon]

If you did it legit that's awesome

[livid sphinx]

I actually did it legit without being carried

and using ES

[cinder wagon]

Great job then :D

[livid sphinx]

not fucking VoC

Holy shit man

Now time for H40

[cinder wagon]

I kinda forgor about dtide because I really got back into helldivers

[livid sphinx]

How can you forget about darktide since both use the same engine and runs like shit

[tame lodge]

When your anti material rifle 2 shots enemies when your smg 2 shot enemies

[cinder wagon]

Wait do they really use the same engine??

[livid sphinx]

Yeah

[cinder wagon]

Damn I had no idea

It would explain how they botu run so poorly sometimes

[mighty monolith]

can anyone help me with a Voice of command build?

[stuck geyser]

does "charge rate" impact m1 shots? on plasma gun

[analog mural]

Yes

[ebon inlet]

FOR CADIA

It's the best line

@mighty monolith cute PFP

[tame lodge]

Yes
The weapon itself is charged based

Even some blessings work on M1 at around 50% efficiency

[stuck geyser]

ok tyvm

[stuck geyser]

you are always very helpful btw

[prisma vessel]

hey vets

which recon las is best and how to build the best one

[fair shale]

Should be in Bath's funny pinned guide

[tame lodge]

I should be very humble and state that I'm just the messenger

However

Yeah I'm helpful, I'm just that goated

But still

I'm just the messenger

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-humble-drax-dave-bautista-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-14242314

[prisma vessel]

Rate the drip homies

[tame lodge]

Thatoneweirdguyinthecornerthatnoonespeaksto/10

So I'd say

Pretty good

[prisma vessel]

He Studied the Blade

[unreal nova]

Needs more wax seals and bandages, he's a zealot, right?

[prisma vessel]

Zealously Veterunting!

Look at my beauty.

[quick shell]

What does recon lasgun setup look like usually?

[livid sphinx]

Does having 15 stacks of MF with toughness regen + exe stance make you practically unkillable?

I was able to get ASS because I actually took the 15 stack

Actually my recent games I haven't been dying a lot

[azure narwhal]

Dum dum + infernus but the brown slow lasgun can take deathspitter instead of infernus. It's smart to take focus target with redirect fire

[azure narwhal]

It's pretty strong you can shrug off the fear of random chip damage though situational awareness is still a must. Ragers will get through the toughness gen due to the amount of multi-hits and maulers/crushers are still GGs

[quick shell]

i meant more in terms of skilltree

[azure narwhal]

Oh. It's just "the build" skeleton veteran has with redirect fire FT. Give me a moment

You can absolutely drop trench + right side talents to get shock trooper

I personally just do not feel the need for it

[quick shell]

oh yeah lasgun does use ft

idk how i feel about that actually

[dry cloak]

both barrels is fun.

[quick shell]

weapon specialisation moment

[azure narwhal]

I used to be the same but its not bad trust me

It comes instinctually after a few games

[quick shell]

what does

[azure narwhal]

Using the keystone

I was not too happy about having to learn to use it well but it's not difficult at all it's actually pretty natural

Since well, good habit player should be pinging priorities anyways

[fair shale]

I be pinging everything tbh

Especially disablers tho

If i see a dog run past me that mf is getting a ping for sure

[azure narwhal]

Totally

Spam pinging the trapper is more out of rage because i didn't manage to chew through the horde and kill it in time

[faint beacon]

Please I beg of you change two things on here…

Stack 8 to a float point of choice and precision strikes

Precision strikes is always good no matter what

[azure narwhal]

I can already see them dw. I make these trees quick and fat finger shit

[faint beacon]

Okay I was gonna tweak out if I had to hear another defense of 8 stacks

Lmao

[azure narwhal]

8 stacks? FT has max of 6 iirc

Which with RF is pretty good

[faint beacon]

You really only need the base 4 cause you should be constantly tagging targets

So at most youd have like 2-4

[azure narwhal]

I will admit i am unsure if switching targets, as in, pinging someone else makes the former pinged enemy lose their stacks of FT, but most FT builds ever i've seen always take 6 stacks + redirect fire

And it's not like, a mainstream pick where you'd say oh whatever

Literally most of everyone

Willy's bolter build for example

[livid sphinx]

Question, does the Marksman talent also reset alongside ES for every elite killed?

[azure narwhal]

They synergyze meaning that as long as you kill elites/specialists with headshots you'll be refreshing both yes

It's essentially how

Helbore lasgun and infantry gun builds work

You just have to have aim

[faint beacon]

Yeah if you ping a target and immediately swap to the next youll drop the stacks off that target and the next will only have 1 if it only refreshed one in reserve

Usually why I run stock 4 with RT

So you can quickly ping between enemies cause you know youll have moments of a way more important target coming into play than the special or elite that was currently tagged

Basically you won’t have much of that 5-6 stack uptime if you’re constantly pinging so it’s better to allocate it elsewhere

Target down imo

Generally good to get more stamina and toughness

Even if you don’t land the kill you still get the benefits

[azure narwhal]

Hm, but since stacks do drop, wouldnt it be more woth it to selectively ping rather then spam away? (I'm not talking down on either variations here, just comparing)

[faint beacon]

RT uptime

[unreal nova]

Or trying to. Is hard on controller if you wanna keep moving and dodging.

[azure narwhal]

I personally do get a usual uptime of 4-5 stacks

[faint beacon]

Usually that + 2-3 is the noticeable sweetspot

[azure narwhal]

I can imagine

[azure narwhal]

Hmm. I'll try both, but the reason i like 6 stacks is because of RT

[faint beacon]

In Aurics and havocs you’re usually swapping pinged targets every 2 seconds

[azure narwhal]

More than anything really

Did havoc yesterday with the build i sent minus the weakspot talent i didnt choose in the moment

[faint beacon]

The 5-6 uptime you rarely get that’s why I’m stressing to invest it elsewhere

You usually get them rarely or build up after a downtime

Aka usually a Monstro trigger or after an event

[azure narwhal]

However you are limiting RT to 4 stacks right? Reason why i keep saying it like a broken record is because you can get 6 stacks of it even by just slowly building it up to that. As in, killing someone with 2 stacks, then 3, etc... far as i recall

[livid sphinx]

Thanks!

[azure narwhal]

And RT uptime with 6 stacks is pretty easy

[azure narwhal]

Welcome, good luck

[livid sphinx]

Oh wait, I think you're referring to MF. I was talking about the first talent in the middle of the left tree before MF

[faint beacon]

It’s mainly because your good habit should be coming into play of constantly pinging that’s why

[livid sphinx]

The orange one

[faint beacon]

Realizing I need to point this out cause this is literally second nature to me LMAO

[gilded pike]

random q but this a bolter build for havoc 😂

[faint beacon]

Like I get sometimes you want to hold off so you can build those stacks

[azure narwhal]

Yeah papa willy's

[faint beacon]

But it’s generally an incredibly good habit to constantly mark things even for information

Hence I say stock 4 is good so you don’t get heavily punished + RT makes up for the constant pinging

[azure narwhal]

Oh man trust me i rarely ever do minus monstrosities, like, it literally just is there mostly to give me 6 stacks of RT. But dw i see your point

[faint beacon]

RT actually stacks thankfully

[gilded pike]

don't suppose willy has what blessings etc it's paired with?

[faint beacon]

But base FT will drop on next mark

Basically if you’re running base FT + RT you’re always gonna have max RT uptime

Hence I just pair it with TD

So I have stamina uptime and toughness for both myself and my team

[azure narwhal]

Marksman? That's pretty simple but with exec stance's cooldown you are bound to have some downtime, nothing dramatic though

[azure narwhal]

I'll send you the whole thing give me a minute

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fdab5a4-84b5-4191-a786-b0b995f073ab/moebian-21st-redeemer-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[gilded pike]

thx

[azure narwhal]

I understand your pov of it, though personally i'd sacrifice for the extra damage push i get from 2 more stacks of RF and the ocassional rotten crushers/monstrosities it helps burst on. Though point taken, i might run it for the sake of running it

[faint beacon]

I mean I see the argument also but generally from experience in H40 I usually find myself at the tug of war of “Ranged enemies are fucking destroying our toughness the moment they’re in play” so I’d rather we have any chance to have uptime in ranged engagements

Rotten, crusher patrols etc usually 4 is enough to drop them in a timely manner

But I understand why 6 is being taken, it’s more just I’m viewing it as how much of an uptime are you getting on 6 for enemies cause admittedly I’m usually rocking 2-4 solely cause of me swapping targets for more RT and TD uptime for myself and the team

Anyways I appreciate this is more civil cause holy shit the amount of times discussions like this turn into “Ermm you’re wrong”

LMAO

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, i absolutely admit that at least for me

6 stacks by itself

Seldom ever happens

Like ever

6 stacks is really just there

To give me 2 more for RT

And the ocassional monstrositiy i want to burst by myself

Literally just that

[faint beacon]

About an 8% damage increase but look I’m just saying

Swapping to a simple 4 and picking up TD

You’re getting 20% toughness and stamina back for simply marking something

And your teammate kills it

You don’t even have to kill it, they get the value and you get it also

Target Down propaganda will be pushed in this channel till morale improves

Basically RT 4 is 16% extra

Vs RT 6 which is 24%

Which is a slight difference

But admittedly that much damage + 20% toughness and stamina back

[azure narwhal]

I understand, yeah, in the big picture of things it's absolutely something that can be easily switched and i will try. Though i am yet to struggle with toughness with current vet, just Exe stance + confirmed kill do so much, i believe they've gotten so stupid now, i mean, you can slide around and power sword everything like a pseudo zealot

[faint beacon]

Kinda peak

[azure narwhal]

Though what i am doubting though

[faint beacon]

It’s more for stamina

[azure narwhal]

Is my MMf build

Especially seeing bath's stuff

[faint beacon]

Trust me I’m not really doing it for toughness outside of the Scum player getting overly cocky

[azure narwhal]

I'm considering taking MMF node by itself

Nothing else on that keystone

And investing in vet nodes

Fair

[faint beacon]

MMF + TV imo

Just cause it’s increasing all Toughness gain

[azure narwhal]

It is yeah

[faint beacon]

So it increases CK and O4B value by a noticeable amount

Not even mentioning CAB

Holy shit

10 Stacks MMF CAB is crazy lmao

[azure narwhal]

I probably will grab it. Though it's one of those cases where, i keep these as options in case i feel i need more survivability

[faint beacon]

But yeah the 15 stack MMF is super situational and CITA is not worth it cause Rending strikes just… exists

[azure narwhal]

I agree

I do not take those either

Let me show you my current mmf 1 sec

[faint beacon]

Weirdly enough the 15 stack Ilas 12?

Heaviest variant

Actually nukes with it

Youd have to ask @grand perch about that iirc

I tend to play hybrid builds more than sniping builds

[hollow ibex]

15 stacks is so peak tho

[faint beacon]

What melee if I may ask

[pine plume]

Can't go wrong with psword

[faint beacon]

Could be super safe and save a point and run Tac Axe

[hollow ibex]

taking KZ instead of ST is a choice

and yeah i'd drop TF

[faint beacon]

Mobility + Jack of all trades

[hollow ibex]

but gonna be real

psword doesn't need TF either

if this isn't havoc, i'd also drop tinkerer

and switch tdr node to stam regen delay node

[azure narwhal]

Shovel

[faint beacon]

TFD is melee dependent but generally QOL

[azure narwhal]

Kz?

[faint beacon]

MkI?

[azure narwhal]

Yes

My beloved

[faint beacon]

Killzone

[azure narwhal]

Oh yeah

[faint beacon]

Honestly?

[azure narwhal]

I definitely get that

But i never feel need for it

[faint beacon]

Shovel it’s QOL

Weirdly enough

[azure narwhal]

Like

[hollow ibex]

ST is huge value on helbore

i would never drop ST on helbore

[faint beacon]

But imo especially seeing youll be sniping a lot with Helby

[hollow ibex]

esp because the alternative is killzone

ST prob doubles your effective mag size lol

[faint beacon]

I’d swap TFD for Tunnel Vision so you get more value from sniping

[azure narwhal]

I can imagine yeah but i just never run out of ammo tbh. All i need is one or two ammo bags per game

[hollow ibex]

it's more for effective mag size

[faint beacon]

Not even mentioning Surv aura adding even more

[hollow ibex]

than ammo econ ime

[faint beacon]

It’s literally one of vets best havoc builds LMAO

Like dead serious

Helby IV with Shocktrooper and either MMF or FT

I run FT for the teamwide support

But like

It’s fucked

How good it is

[azure narwhal]

I might. But i have really bad OCD and having 0.5 stam cooldown on one build and 0.75 on the rest would make me want to smash my head through the monitor and cut my neck on the glass

[faint beacon]

See I’m conditioned to work with vets old regen

[azure narwhal]

Inconsistencies freak me the fuck out on a demented level

So id have to go 0.5 on every.other.build

[faint beacon]

Reminder

1 second regen delay

[hollow ibex]

stam regen begins after every encounter

[faint beacon]

Not even .75

[azure narwhal]

I do remember but its not about that really

[gilded pike]

huh is this one on the site? ^^

[faint beacon]

I’ll have to remake it cause it’s generally flexible

But it’s literally just Helbore IV Unyielding + Carapace

Ability of choice

Surgical + WOF

Shocktrooper is a must

[stable orbit]

You should stop playing tide right now then

[azure narwhal]

That would mean stopping many things, i've just learnt to live with it

[unreal nova]

Some people just don't understand or care to understand about it. Stability is nice and comforting in sense.

[heavy rover]

I've been converted, holy does tac axe feel good

[grand perch]

'ullo
https://youtu.be/g9nBh7uT7Ug

[hollow ibex]

does CITA actually do anything

when i was testing it, it didn't seem to work for me

but could be a psyk issue

[grand perch]

It's been a while but it did last I checked

Haven't played in like 1 month

[faint beacon]

Haven’t even played Scum?

[maiden vector]

I haven't played for 2 year

And I looked on my Kantrael and that's it not best flashlight

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-don-corleone-vito-corleone-marlon-brando-look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-gif-16979410203213848300

[tame lodge]

2b

Or

Not

2b

That's the question

[dry cloak]

I started playing scum yesterday while i bought him on premiere day

[maiden vector]

Not

[faint beacon]

“Look at how they power crept my boy!”

That’s basically why it feels weak LMAO

[maiden vector]

Yea

[grand perch]

Nope kind of burned out

[dry cloak]

dont force yourself

[blazing horizon]

Is this perk worth activating while using a revolver ?

It sounds good at the same time really bad so I'm not sure anymore

[hollow ibex]

mostly for meme builds, but it can be very strong

i use it with my meme revolver sniping build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1434805712315351070/6A14D51.MP4?ex=6948f273&is=6947a0f3&hm=335b203cc4ba38c8d5241a28d34cf08601f1a3c7904ef7ed5e6310531a185894&

[blazing horizon]

oh how did you get those numbers ? what mod is that ?

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/621

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[blazing horizon]

Hell yeah this is dope af

Btw

[hollow ibex]

me when i see red damage numbers

[blazing horizon]

Indeed

[blazing horizon]

btw I'm trying to make a revolver build just to snipe elite, specialist & bosses
what do you suggest to change ?

oh I think this will be hard 1 sec lemme make it on this site and bring it here

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205/reeeevolver-crusher-deleter

this is what i run

if you run deadshot, i recommend one +3 stam curio

i will say that if you want to run a revolver sniper build

bistol does pretty much the same thing but better

revolver sniper is pretty ammo hungry

[blazing horizon]

I like it but I feel like i will need stamina more so I might skip deadshot for now

But thanks for the build I will give it a shot

[hollow ibex]

the tunnel vision node helps restore stam

to sustain deadshot

so it's not that bad so long as you get kills

[bleak tendon]

With infiltrate, what modifiers do you guys use?

The -90% threat one seems good

[hollow ibex]

it's good but puts more burden on your team

and useless while clutching

i prefer the tdr node instead

[bleak tendon]

Thanks, shall try that out

[tight orbit]

Folks, I can't quite remember which works best again, Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy?

[true jackal]

deathspitter will give less raw damage but will improve your stagger and cleave/punch through as well, while fire frenzy will give more raw damage, both stack 5 times

[tight orbit]

both have the same proc range as well yeah?

[true jackal]

yep

[tight orbit]

thanks!

[undone jungle]

what's yall Helbore builds

the weapon has grown on me significantly

as in entire builds including melee and (optionally) talents

[robust herald]

surgical weight of fire mkIV, dump mobility I think(?), go for marksman focus for keystone

and for melee power sword and shovel are good choices

for shovel you want mk1 decimator uncanny, dump mobility

for psword you want mkIV power cycler brutal momentum, dump cleave targets

[narrow torrent]

Don’t forget shock trooper so you never have to grab ammo

[hollow ibex]

stability or ammo are dumps on helby

[prisma vessel]

Damn

veteran is fun to play

[hollow ibex]

shovel is deci/sc + uncanny

[prisma vessel]

who knew

[hollow ibex]

most build variety of any class in the game imo

[prisma vessel]

I wouldn't go that far considering the Template 😄 But its fun

[hollow ibex]

the one build tm is just the meta slave starting point that we point to

because vet still has a decent amount of shit/trap nodes

but you can still make a variety of good builds even without following one build

[robust herald]

oh yea that was the name of the blessing, uncanny

I forgot if it was thunderous or uncanny since they have similar icons

[robust herald]

he also has 6 trillion tax nodes

[hollow ibex]

it's a lot better than before but yeah still kinda an issue in some parts of the tree

and in general the tree being too long

[robust herald]

his tree is really tall for no apparent reason, it's boring and it sucks but I guess one can get around it if they're dedicated enough

[prisma vessel]

that moment when you load into a game just for this screen

[hollow ibex]

the loading screen you see when you're 4/5 to ass and you just queued up for a match

[faint beacon]

get back to the grind buddy

[hollow ibex]

i got dat ASS a while back

[mystic pilot]

Typically stability

[hearty panther]

for the two of you who actually enjoy the power falchion, how yall running it

[hollow ibex]

mk1 cranial wrath carayielding

tho i'm not running it until they fix the powered sfx bug

[hybrid plover]

Wait they didnt?

I was running relic blade and at least that seems to be fixed rn

[livid hill]

do you guys think krooba and male loose cannon would kiss

[orchid hemlock]

Yes, next question

[elder vessel]

Saltzpyre and Sienna 4ever I'll fight, kill, die, and consume the carrion of my enemies for this ship, all hail saltzfire

[hollow ibex]

Oh did they?

Haven’t played in a few weeks

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Pretty sure they mentioned it in the hot fix.

Same one that uh, broke dodge linger lol

[livid hill]

i agree but thats unrelated

but ty

sienna and fem seer psyker would get along

theyd be knitting buddies

[brave acorn]

MK2b w/ cranial and wrath, may swap cranial for strength on heat, idk. I dunno why people dislike it

[hybrid plover]

Because unlike relic blade which you can afford to overheat on because its unpowered state is actually decent, falchion's isnt.

And because of how the weapon functions, it's not hard to overheat when you're trying to edge it like that.

[brave acorn]

That goes for regular p-sword as well

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but you can just, press the button again and its charged.

You have to wait with falchion.

[brave acorn]

I enjoy the up time from falchion

[elder vessel]

Its definitely a self defense weapon rather than a work horse

Which is shit

because melees are supposed to be workhorses

[hybrid plover]

Not only that but you're replacing the blessing that helps with charged uptime for it.

[brave acorn]

Like I said, not sure. Gotta do some testing and see what I prefer

[hollow ibex]

that is (mostly) not the issue

though the lack of stagger while powered is an issue as well lol

[brave acorn]

Correct. I’m running it as a backup for a specific ranged build

[elder vessel]

melee should not be backup that should be answer number 1 to poxwalkers at the VERY LEAST

[hybrid plover]

Tbf while powered, the damage is definitely there.

That's not the falchion's issue.

It's the unpowered state and the fact that it has no stagger for what it is.

Arguably, you can make falchion do more damage than the relic blade which is basically a counterpart to it but relic has something that falchion doesn't.

Reliability.

[elder vessel]

we got this instead of a power spear

im just sayin

[hybrid plover]

I honestly like the falchion aesthetically but in practice, it really should have been better than it is right now.

[left comet]

how do I avoid the chaos spawn grabs?

[orchid hemlock]

Dodge right

[narrow frost]

inwards to the right

towards tentacle

[hollow ibex]

that would require new animations

and movesets

with falch they can just copy it from the relic blade

[cloud reef]

is there any way to change the "scope" on recon las?

[hollow ibex]

mods

[narrow torrent]

Embrace hipfiring everything

[azure narwhal]

sustained fire vs armourbane on mk3a helbore? having a hard time choosing

i mean, when does sustained fire proc, on the UI its weird and inconsistent

whilst spam firing without charge?

[cloud reef]

actual advice

[narrow torrent]

Yea, otherwise you’re just seeing this while trying to aim at distant gunners.

Poor design goes brrrrt

[cloud reef]

ye its kinda dumb lol

do u guys think the tac shotgun or double barrel are any good?

[hollow ibex]

all the shotguns are good

except assatran combat shotty

[cloud reef]

at havoc?

[hollow ibex]

they all scale well into havoc

besides assatran

[livid hill]

imo this isnt as much of a problem with the green reconlas

which is probably the best imo, better ammo econ, much less spread, hits harder etc- i think the blue reconlas is hyped up because it looks cool and sounds cool cause its firing super fast but its very much a close ranged weapon

[cloud reef]

i see

youtube and reddit keeps telling me the only decent stuff is plasma, recon and bolter but i find more success with the tac shotgun so far

bolter feels p good tho

[hollow ibex]

youtube and reddit are horrible sources of information is why lol

[narrow torrent]

It’s pretty fun, plus it has the bigger ammo pool, which scales better with survivalist and all that.

[hybrid plover]

literally the only weapon that can do with some work for vet is infantry lasgun

[narrow torrent]

Haven’t really tried the other marks yet

[hybrid plover]

other than that, vet makes any ranged weapon work really

even infantry lasgun isn't terrible even if it is in need of a buff.

[livid hill]

while that is true, I recommend the greenie for anyone intending to use the reconlas for long range tbh

especially with exec stance

[narrow torrent]

Oh I use recon las for 95% of the match

[livid hill]

IME you have to really spam it for it to work well

[hybrid plover]

And it's not very good for that because firing it sucks.

[livid hill]

it fires too slowly yes

[hybrid plover]

Not even that.

[livid hill]

laspistol is better for that

[hybrid plover]

It's the muzzle flash and recoil wobble.

[livid hill]

ohhhh yes agreed

[hybrid plover]

It feels awful to shoot.

[tall torrent]

It partly still is

[livid hill]

and it has poor ammo management for a las

idk why it has to spend 4 ammo per shot

[tall torrent]

Also @hybrid plover I finished all zealot talent sections
Just weapons & builds now

[livid hill]

are we ever getting a 'light' laspistol

[hybrid plover]

Of all weapons in this game, including a fucking boltgun, infantry lasgun, ends up feeling the most clunky to shoot.

Like idk how they pulled that off.

[livid hill]

I think it could use more stagger both powered and unpowered, and also I'd like if it had a teensy bit faster attack speed

[hybrid plover]

I will be waiting.

[livid hill]

imo I think its really good but I get why people say its useless

i just hate the way the regular ps works

[narrow torrent]

Yea Falchion just feels better

[hybrid plover]

I've been vibing with zealot more recently.

[tall torrent]

The cleave damage distribution isn’t good enough, and the single target attacks’ first target can use a small bonus

[livid hill]

i feel like if a powersword actually worked like that in lore they'd bring it to the mechanicus to get its field generator fixed

[cloud reef]

switching to the bolter takes ages

i hate that

[hybrid plover]

Oh cool Discord did that thing where because someone messaged, I replied to the wrong message cuz it moved lmao

[livid hill]

base powersword needs a rework, make it have a regular overheating system and make it overheat really quickly and be relatively slow but do more damage, maybe?

[hybrid plover]

I was saying that regarding the Zealot guide.

[livid hill]

and with a better moveset

also i feel like zealot should have it too

[hybrid plover]

Homie.

Power sword does not need more damage.

[orchid hemlock]

There is a mod, but just get the crosshair remap mod

[hybrid plover]

We do not need that thing to be stronger than it already is.

[orchid hemlock]

"PS needs more damage"

[hybrid plover]

It is quite literally one of the best generalist weapons if not the best generalist weapon in the game right now.

[tall torrent]

Noe

[orchid hemlock]

Please don't buff this monster

[livid hill]

LESS damage LESS

SORRY

[hybrid plover]

It's arguably overtuned

[livid hill]

TYPO

[tall torrent]

Power sword can’t get a rework because any type of rework to it is a significant nerf to how it functions

And they just made falchion

I think it’s just a matter of when they’ll buff falchion to be good

Cuz they know the general reception is lukewarm at best

[hybrid plover]

Also, power sword is so strong that zealot would actually immediately go higher in the class tier if they had it lol

[brave acorn]

Falchion is good at horde clear which is why I like it for some of my precision ranged options.

[livid hill]

its just... laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

its like so boring and yet dominates I hate it

least favourite weapon besides duelling sword

[elder vessel]

I like power sword....

[livid hill]

but at least duelling sword is fun to use

[elder vessel]

Just want

power spear

[cloud reef]

love the duel sword atk pattern but it looks lame

[orchid hemlock]

SUS

[livid hill]

i get it

[orchid hemlock]

HA

[livid hill]

but also borign

[orchid hemlock]

[livid hill]

its annoying to recharge it every swing

[hybrid plover]

i think it's the most boring weapon in the game

[orchid hemlock]

Guys guys

Heavy to one shot

[livid hill]

maybe I'm only saying this because its so overpowered it feels like an anime katana or something

[tall torrent]

It’s rhythm based weapon basically

[hybrid plover]

you say this but I think dueling sword is overrated

[livid hill]

but the rhythm is LAME

[hybrid plover]

great single target and mobility

but it has the horde clear of a wet noodle

[livid hill]

the moveset is LAME

the powering up after every swing is LAME

[tall torrent]

It is what it is

[hybrid plover]

"every" swing

...

you're using power cycler, right?

[livid hill]

the doing literally nothing to enemies when its unpowered is LAME

[livid hill]

the powering up after every 3 swings then

doesn't make a difference

[tall torrent]

If falchion was good I’d use it over power sword too

But it’s not even a close match

Unfortunate

[orchid hemlock]

I mean sure it requires you to press 2 buttons instead of one with the DS

[livid hill]

or the falchion

falchion is fun

[orchid hemlock]

I'm pretty sure the Flachion isn't even in the discussion between DS and PS

[livid hill]

most disproportionately fun melee weapon to how OKAY it is

[livid hill]

I am not praising the DS, I am shitting on the PS

I hate PS

that's all I was saying

falchion is way more fun and cool

[orchid hemlock]

Why tho?

[livid hill]

see above

[orchid hemlock]

I did I still don't understand

[livid hill]

it feels clunky to use

[tall torrent]

Power sword is that 1 weapon that u can hate for how it plays but not for how it performs

[orchid hemlock]

Clunky?

[livid hill]

precisely

[hollow ibex]

PS is 100% an acquired taste

[orchid hemlock]

DS is an acquired taste

Because you need to think shit tastes good 😈

[tall torrent]

If I had any other melee choice like 70-80% as good as power sword on veteran I wouldn’t be using power sword that much

[livid hill]

using the power sword feels like this meme to me

[orchid hemlock]

Give Zealot PS and my life is yours

[hybrid plover]

I personally don't like it either

[tall torrent]

Never gonna happen

[hybrid plover]

I acknowledge how stupidly powerful it is.

But I don't like how it feels to use.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[orchid hemlock]

I don't like PS either but I do still think it requires some level of skill and combing to use properly

Because I've seen people never turn it on and it looks like a water noodle

[hollow ibex]

PS is genuinely a great weapon to teach you melee fundamentals

i respect PS for that

[hasty holly]

Shotgun or double barrel?

[orchid hemlock]

Which Shotgun?

😈

[tall torrent]

It’s the singular melee weapon that gets to mog 10 ragers at once while being very easy to get obliterated by those 10 ragers at once

Comes down to how well u understand the melee slot system and your rhythm timings

[livid hill]

then we r in agreement

[orchid hemlock]

I'm still loosing you when you say DS is fun 🤮

[livid hill]

i love when I argue with something only to realise we both agree and I just have very bad reading comprehension skills

[livid hill]

I meant fun-er

[tall torrent]

Nah

[orchid hemlock]

What is fun about DS to begin with?

[tall torrent]

DS is like

Bottom barrel

[hybrid plover]

yeah I was completely on board with you saying you don't enjoy it. it's not a weapon i feel good using

[tall torrent]

Everything else is more fun

[livid hill]

ur only saying this because you justifiably hate it for its op-ness

[tall torrent]

There’s rly nothing special to learn about DS

[orchid hemlock]

Is there perhaps a macro to fix it?

[tall torrent]

No

[hybrid plover]

Nah I get it

For a weapon that's all about finesse, there's like

[livid hill]

its very normal to use

[tall torrent]

I think it’s the least interesting melee in the game by light years

[hybrid plover]

No finesse to using it

[orchid hemlock]

Wait DS belongs to the ops?

[livid hill]

i do agree

[tall torrent]

Even combat axe is like 200x the complexity of duelling sword lol

[livid hill]

it should be almost entirely stabs

[tall torrent]

Just because combat axe has sprint cancel tech

[orchid hemlock]

Heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy

[livid hill]

why cant it just have really really bad horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

😈

[livid hill]

i dont get it

[tall torrent]

It does have really really bad horde clear

[livid hill]

no it doesnt

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshark remove PS from game see what happens

[livid hill]

it has extremely good horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

DS has some of the worst cleave in the game

[livid hill]

like, its not THE BEST, but it works very very well

[orchid hemlock]

Wait let me ask you, what hordes are you using this on?

[livid hill]

poxwalkers and brawlers and stuff???

[orchid hemlock]

No I mean the difficulty

[livid hill]

auric

[tall torrent]

Um

[elder vessel]

its got bad horde clear but like it insta mogs everything else

[tall torrent]

What

[orchid hemlock]

I can get a video demo

[tall torrent]

What is good horde clear exactly

To u

I’m confused

[orchid hemlock]

Like I think DS has poor wave clear even into raw horses

[livid hill]

killing them easy and targeting a good amount of enemies

not THE BEST horde clear obviously but it is very good and that SUCKS

[orchid hemlock]

DS can create the illusion of good wave clear because of how safe the weapon is with the dodges

[hybrid plover]

the horde clear itself is not good

but the safety you have while horde clearing

[orchid hemlock]

We are talking about how quickly you KILL the horde

[hybrid plover]

that's what makes it feel like it's good

[livid hill]

it has very good stagger and it cleaves enough

[hollow ibex]

eh?

DS?

[orchid hemlock]

Not kiting the horde

No CCing the horde

Killing it

[elder vessel]

crowd murder not crowd control

[hybrid plover]

Yeah horde clear and horde management is not the same thing.

[livid hill]

ah okay fair enough ig

[elder vessel]

relic blade is crowd murder

DS is "you cant touch me hehehehehehehehe"

[orchid hemlock]

Because trust me, the horde clear plummets the moment their is one Mauler in the horde

[tall torrent]

Your definition of good horde clear must be wild

[livid hill]

which is when you switch to heavies

[orchid hemlock]

But the point is that you can't do both, which is called mixed horde clear

[livid hill]

doesnt really matter too much tbh because my point is that it should be terrible at dealing with hordes to balance out how good it is at everything else

[orchid hemlock]

But what we are stating is that in comparison to the rest of the weapons in the game, the DS is around the bottom when it comes to wave clear

[tall torrent]

Not around

It’s just flat out the bottom

[orchid hemlock]

Hey my CS can beat it 😈

[tall torrent]

What’s cs

[livid hill]

okay I had the wrong definition it still can control hordes better than it should

I was just trying to say that it does too good against multiple opponents bc of the stagger and stuff I thought this was a cold take

[hollow ibex]

it's not controlling hordes

you're just safe because you can move around it

[livid hill]

no???

[hollow ibex]

but you ain't controlling shit

[livid hill]

u must be using it differently than me then

not my experience at all

[hollow ibex]

i mean just look at the numbers

compared to chaxe for example

the mk iv lights are 1/3rd the stagger of the mk12 chaxe's horde clear lights

[tall torrent]

U can control any horde just with pushes and dodges

Not sure if that means anything

Horde clear is the only metric that matters here

[livid hill]

Its... not... but okay

i dont really know what to say tbh, my experience is so contrary to yours

[hollow ibex]

well it's got more stagger than combat blade

by a bit

[orchid hemlock]

Every weapon in the game has something called an "impact" stat that effects how much "stagger" you give to an enemy

[livid hill]

Yes dude I know

[orchid hemlock]

DS with the lights has one of the lowest of any weapon

[livid hill]

I'm just saying that in my experience duelling sword has always been stellar at crowd control and if thats just not the case for you idk

[orchid hemlock]

We don't need to even test it, we already know from the numbers

[livid hill]

we might just be using it differently

[orchid hemlock]

Then this is called the Mandela effect

What you are probably experiencing is different from what we are describing

[hollow ibex]

just look at the numbers 🤷‍♀️ idk what to say

[tall torrent]

Tbh even horde clear doesn’t matter like that much, most of what matters is mixed horde clear

[orchid hemlock]

THE NUMBERS

[surreal rune]

serrated blade bumps the dueling sword's wave clear by a lot

[tall torrent]

Nah, not enough cleave

[hybrid plover]

not really

[orchid hemlock]

Cleave is too bad so no

[hybrid flame]

THE NUMBERS MASON WHAT TO THEY MEAN

[surreal rune]

its still something

[hybrid plover]

the actual cleave is not good

[livid hill]

no its not, the mandela effect is when loads of people make the same specific, easy mistake

like the berenstain bears being called the beren"stein" bears

[orchid hemlock]

Sorry I meant anecdotal

[livid hill]

maybe I'm just remembering it from a past version when it was better at that idk

[hybrid flame]

But he did

[livid hill]

i havent used it in a while bc its dishonorable

[hybrid flame]

So your definition is flawed

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah didn't the Monopoly guy used to have one?

[livid hill]

my DEFINITION is not false, even if my example is

[hybrid flame]

Except definitions are easily proven by simply searching it.
At which point you will find that is not the definition

So

False

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I corrected myself, I apologize for the confusion

But I am just interested in figuring out why you think the DS has good stagger

[livid hill]

no clue what you think it means

[hybrid flame]

[tall torrent]

The cleave performance of duelling sword basically didn’t change for a long time

[livid hill]

dude, idfk?????? it stagger good in my experience idwts

[tall torrent]

U shud check pinned guide

And see how many major stagger breakpoints it hits

[orchid hemlock]

Yooo the ad drop????

[livid hill]

im being gaslit by the universe

[tall torrent]

Just go check how many major stagger breakpoints it actually hits

[livid hill]

god specifically retroactively changed this one small thing just to fuck with me

[livid hill]

DUDE I DONT CARE OML

[orchid hemlock]

That's not what gaslighting means

I know that one

[livid hill]

ur so right bestie

[livid hill]

OKAY I WAS WRONG MY MEMORIES ARE WRONG ITS FINE IT LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[tall torrent]

I mean, if ur gonna call smth good at stagger, that’s kinda the only metric that matters

[livid hill]

people remember wrongly literally all the time all day every day

[orchid hemlock]

No we are not denying your experiences

We just think you are probably not associating what you did and what we are talking about

[tall torrent]

I’m not saying anything

[hybrid flame]

Your definition relies on the memories being false.
Hard right wing logic.

[hasty holly]

Why do so many builds take one motion instead of longshot or toughness or whatever?

[livid hill]

OKAY

[livid hill]

So does wikipedia's.

literally "Specific false memories can sometimes be shared by a large group of people"

[hybrid flame]

And yet

THAT ISNT THE THEORY

[orchid hemlock]

This is actually a very common tactic to deflect criticism

That's why I always just drop the "anecdotal" claim

Because at the end of the day, 99% of the time it is simply an ecological fallacy

[hybrid flame]

Wild

[livid hill]

OH YEAH I'M SORRY FOR NOT KNOWING YOUR SPECIFIC ESOTERIC DEFINITION THAT NOONE ELSE HAS EVER USED

"hard right wing logic" homie what tf are you on about 😭 i'm not right wing

[hybrid flame]

The Mandela effect is the belief that the memories don't line up because they were formed an alternate dimension/reality/verse that a person slipped from/to.
I'm not saying it's reasonable or logical or plausible BUT THAT WHAT IS FUCKING IS

[livid hill]

Thats the THEORY that people HAVE about this DOCUMENTED PSYCHOLOGICAL PHENOMENON

that is NOT the definition

[hybrid flame]

[hybrid plover]

and to think this started from a discussion about a tooth pick

[hybrid flame]

Again your definition relies on the absolute certainty that the memories are false

[orchid hemlock]

I'm pretty sure "documented" in this case doesn't have much leverage

But I still don't know why we are talking about the Mandela Effect 💀

[distant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strangelove-george-scott-bucxk-shocked-surprised-gif-4535572

[cloud thunder]

Ironic.

[livid hill]

because people just be saying shit

[hybrid flame]

Bc bro clearly tested his DS in another reality b4 slipping into ours

[livid hill]

maybe I did IDK

[hybrid flame]

WHICH IS THE MANDELA EFFECT

[livid hill]

why are we still getting on my case over this lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

I was responding to what you said

[livid hill]

that's like saying that schizophrenia is defined as someone seeing actual irl ghosts because some idiot online said so

[cloud thunder]

#general-chat message

this some funny irony here.

[livid hill]

its something idiots believe, its not the actual definition

[hybrid plover]

I mean I get it honestly. You don't really need like A grade horde clear to do well in Auric to begin with and it is a pretty safe weapon so it can make someone think it's better than it actually is.

[orchid hemlock]

Schizophrenia is a real disease that has been proven

So unironically, yes 💀

[hybrid flame]

Lmao you're talking as though the memories have been proven to be false, which is where your entire argument loses all ground

[hybrid plover]

And admittedly, I think we're getting a little too out of pocket trying to get on someone's case about it

This is developing into something I don't think it really needs to.

[orchid hemlock]

Wait do y'all know what Schizophrenia actually is?

Like how it functions from a chemical level?

[stark holly]

How are combat axe, tactical axe, chain axe, chain sword, shock maul?

I’ve tried out most of the other melee weapons on veteran, just trying to get everything to 20 slowly. But if there is anything that’s good/bad, I can prioritize differently

[hybrid plover]

Combat axe, good

[austere mica]

Caxe and taxe are very good

[hybrid plover]

Tactical axe, good

[austere mica]

Chainsword and chainaxe are weird

[hybrid plover]

Chain weapons and shock maul?

[austere mica]

Shock maul is the definiton of mid

[hybrid plover]

Just okay ™

[livid hill]

If you genuinely believe that the berenstain bears really were called the berenstein bears bc our dimensions collided with eachother and not because people confused it with more common surnames that end with 'stein' I have no idea what to tell you

[austere mica]

There is no weapon more mid than shock maul

[livid hill]

this is monumentally pedantic lmao

[austere mica]

Why are we even arguing about the mandela effect or whatever

[orchid hemlock]

Can I be a bear? 😔

[hybrid flame]

I don't genuinely believe it I just know it hasn't been disproven anymore than it has been proven, so stating the memories are false so surely is ignorant

[orchid hemlock]

Because of me 😈

I'm a harbinger of chaos

[livid hill]

You. You cannot be seriously arguing that schizophrenia is defined as someone seeing actual irl ghosts.

[hybrid flame]

Because you can't handle being corrected

[hybrid plover]

Holy shit, why are we getting this deep about a tooth pick lmao

[green pawn]

Ay, I'm new here and got a question. How the hell do you do the On Overwatch penace? Any advice?

[austere mica]

Uhhh

Randomly

[livid hill]

I CAN handle being corrected I have admitted I was wrong 400 times, you just can't handle not correcting people even when you're just... wrong

[cloud thunder]

I just want to know why the popcorn gif is automodded

[austere mica]

You play a backline build with a safe melee

or you cheese it

[orchid hemlock]

Diagnosis of the disease is dependent on analysis

But I'll be honest, if someone is seeing ghosts, Schizophrenia is probably up there with one of the most likely possibilities 💀

[cloud thunder]

#general-chat message

I mean. Look at Rock’s reply comment here. It’s pretty fucking ironic

[orchid hemlock]

Most of the time it is just once again an anecdotal claim based on the perspective of the individual at the time, probably seeing shadows or lighted objects that then led them to self confirm it was a "ghost"

[hybrid flame]

That is the most non point that has ever not been a point ever.

What are you, 8?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes, in Whale years 😈

[hybrid flame]

That was also meant for the one above you

[orchid hemlock]

Yes in Whale years

[austere mica]

All of you should either kiss or block each other

[orchid hemlock]

I'm enjoying the ride, why would I want to stop? 🍿

[hybrid flame]

[austere mica]

Then kiss

[orchid hemlock]

No no no

No kiss

Just fight 😈

[hybrid flame]

He's trying so hard to appear like him.

[cloud thunder]

How do you not get the point? 💀 I literally opened this chat to you arguing and it’s ironic considering you said that about hive chat. It’s not rocket science.

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15217258118848753873

[livid hill]

you are misunderstanding me, I'm not saying people w schizophrenia don't think theyre seeing ghosts, I'm saying that his definition of the mandela effect as a supernatural theory because of the weird directions conspiracy theorists online take it is like asserting that because someone says (incorrectly) that schizophrenics are literally seeing actual ghosts, that that is the definition of schizophrenia.

it is not. Thats not what a definition is.

[hybrid flame]

Yes, you clearly are

[livid hill]

im having fun

[orchid hemlock]

Desynch im not following either

[austere mica]

Then kiss

[cloud thunder]

Oi shut up

[hybrid flame]

How ironic you are here arguing with me to claim irony that I don't like arguing

[livid hill]

i cant he's a skeleton

[orchid hemlock]

I have receipts

So make me 😈

[austere mica]

Sounds like a lack of effort

[cloud thunder]

Too late. Clipped. Don’t don’t talk to me

[orchid hemlock]

Mandated Edict

Kiss my arBOOTY

[livid hill]

I hope he nags me about how his pfp is actually not a skeleton and that it is in fact a revenant or a wight 🥺

[hybrid flame]

Oh man, I try to avoid interacting with children online. Have a good night big guy

[cloud thunder]

So…I’m a big kid? You fatshaming me?

If anything, fat shame the actual whale

[livid hill]

clipped

[hybrid flame]

[cloud thunder]

Clipped

[livid hill]

clipped this too

[livid hill]

clipped

[cloud thunder]

My job here is done.

[hybrid flame]

I am surrounded by incompetence as always

[cloud thunder]

Argument defused.

[hybrid flame]

But thanks

[cloud thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/doolwind-the-office-jet-attack-move-attack-move-jet-attack-gif-8593685078102904069

[livid hill]

clipped

[hybrid plover]

what is even happening here anymore

[tepid otter]

waz happening

[austere mica]

We're making fun of mr fun at parties

[orchid hemlock]

Uh can we not

[austere mica]

I think

[livid hill]

clipped

[hybrid flame]

You tell me, these guys have devolved to pure brainrot

[hybrid plover]

But who's the Mr. Fun at Parties in question?

[austere mica]

Guess

[cloud thunder]

Tell that to him. 😢

[orchid hemlock]

Fun is for losers

[tepid otter]

And what'd he say

[livid hill]

clipped

[hybrid plover]

I'm not qualified to infer such information.

[hybrid flame]

[cloud thunder]

Some bone dude with a witch hat

He had a bone to pick with everyone

https://tenor.com/view/dad-joke-dadjoke-roasted-boom-gif-22339988

[livid hill]

RATTLE EM BOYS

[hybrid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/full-house-michelle-tanner-sassy-bossy-gif-7902529204758949019

[tepid otter]

[tepid otter]

Brother what?

[hybrid plover]

Excuse me?

[hybrid flame]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

[cloud thunder]

It’s kinda funny your server icon looks like a skull

[tepid otter]

Saw that shit lmao

[livid hill]

BROTHA

[tepid otter]

Well its not

[cloud thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[slender elm]

Is tact axe good

[orchid hemlock]

Ur good

[livid hill]

this feels fem loose cannon coded

[tepid otter]

[slender elm]

What

[cloud thunder]

Shit got weird

Back to my show

[hybrid plover]

bruh

[tepid otter]

bro obsessed

[potent iris]

I am asking you all to stop being yourselves

[austere mica]

Thaaaaank yooooouuuuu

[hybrid flame]

Heresy

[tepid otter]

Nevaaaaahhh!

[livid hill]

only if youre gonna punish me otherwise!!! /hj

[slender elm]

Can people provide me with more details...

I'm asking about tact axe

[livid hill]

is good

its okay at horde clear bc it swing so fast but not da best

[livid hill]

it is bestest at single target

[livid hill]

very correct

[hybrid flame]

I'm not a fan of the attack patterns but I like simple versatility

[slender elm]

Does it deal with armor well

[orchid hemlock]

YOU CANT STOP ME

[potent iris]

it'll deal with everything up to carapace pretty well, on carapace it's acceptable but not amazing

[livid hill]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OQRqXPJzXBY

[hybrid plover]

bromentum nonbeliever

[livid hill]

holy shit a mod talking like everyone else??/

[livid hill]

I FUCKING LOVE RAXIMILLIAN DRAGOR HES SO FUNNY

[livid hill]

oh havent tried

[orchid hemlock]

Ok I won't lie

The fact we have just hit the reverse of the DS debate is pretty funny 💀

[livid hill]

should

[potent iris]

I always talk in here

well not in vet chat but other, better, channels

[hybrid plover]

yes, you very much should actually

[livid hill]

vet chat is by far the worst because of how autistic ppl are here

[hybrid plover]

bromentum turns tac axe into a monster for horde clear

[livid hill]

i mean that affectionately as an artist

vet mains are very autistic about numbers and metas and such

[distant plaza]

great horde clear, sucks at carapace?
heavy sword?

[livid hill]

my main goal is to turn it more like the holy zealot chat that is more interested in thirsting

[fair shale]

Its the breakpoint class, it makes sense

[potent iris]

psyker chat and vet chat are the 2 I find the most boring and then I don't really play Ogryn much at all so I don't bother, plus I know Hank has that channel covered for anything it might need anyway

[livid hill]

you don't play ogryn????

[austere mica]

Ogryn is kinda lame

[livid hill]

HISSS

[potent iris]

I play it on occasion but I prefer zealot and scum

and I've been pretty much only playing scum since it came out lol

rampage too addictive

[orchid hemlock]

CA probably is very well rounded

[potent iris]

I should play vet some more tho now that helbore actually has sights

[hybrid plover]

i've been enjoying being a buff giver with stimm supply honestly

It feels nice when people say they love my stimms uwu

[livid hill]

it has been so much better and more funner-er since bound by duty

[potent iris]

so true bestie

[livid hill]

the only reason I liked vet before then is because of loose cannon. the actual class was boring imo

[potent iris]

so true bestie

[distant plaza]

not sure if you mean combat axe or chain axe 👀

[orchid hemlock]

Hahaha

That's funny

[livid hill]

so correct, figure of authority

[hybrid flame]

I'm assuming Caxe bc it is extremely rounded

[livid hill]

i love u tysm for ur service to our friends going through withdrawal

[livid hill]

yes

[cloud reef]

what melee wep would u guys go w the boltgun?

[hybrid plover]

in havoc, stimms are all you have to null the pain and suffering

[potent iris]

chainaxe is well rounded but that does require playing chainaxe which is not fun

defo wouldn't run that on vet either

[hybrid plover]

and maybe a med kit every now and then

[orchid hemlock]

The answer is always power sword

[livid hill]

so true

[hybrid flame]

Shovel for vibe

[hybrid plover]

fools

we all know

[potent iris]

gonna become the world's only power falchion main

[hybrid plover]

mk1 shovel is the best vet melee

[tepid otter]

muh lord

[livid hill]

gonna go agaiunst the grain here and say knife bc its nice to have mobility on one of your weapons when the bolter is so slow and also lorewise I think its funny to imagine that vet wanted to be all cool and only take a bolter but realised he wasnt strong enough to use it effectively on its ownso he brought a knife too

[hybrid flame]

Shovel - Spam overhead lights or spam wide heavies
Caxe - Spam overhead heavies or spam wide lights.

perfection

[hybrid plover]

knife is unironically a very good fit for bolter honestly

[cloud reef]

the mobility argument makes good sense to me

[hybrid plover]

especially since it can have mobility and decent horde clear

only decent though

[hybrid flame]

I run knife on my brainburst/forcestaff psyker bc I never have my melee out

[orchid hemlock]

Nah CS exists 😈