veteran-class

[unreal nova]

You thought the Boom Bringer was big? +25% radius.

[narrow torrent]

It makes blinder grenades with pocket toxin go crazy too

[unreal nova]

I know. But I went funni BOOM on one of them.

[wind patio]

how to build hellbore/what mark

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f61c314-2870-469e-b9e7-8d4ce6d057fc/machinegun-helbore

this is ranged heavy build

mark is up to preferenve

they're all good

just a matter of speed / damage per shot

[stuck geyser]

this node sucks with plasma sword right? its for duelling sword?

[hollow ibex]

it's for nothing

you always skip it

[wind patio]

👀

Oooh

[mystic pilot]

hmmm is this good?

[fair shale]

Nah, you want to dump mobility

Knife benefits a lot from it's other stats

[mystic pilot]

what a shame, it was an almost perfect array, just the dump stat is the wrong one

[fair shale]

Happens

[mystic pilot]

okay I need to write down dump stats for each weapon

[fair shale]

safe bet is mobility or defenses for most things

[wind patio]

A hellbore build has like infinite ammo right? Shouldn't I dump ammo?

Gonna try it that way first. Not short on resources

[hollow ibex]

you can if you want

i dumped stab because helbore is already very stable and the acc impact doesn't matter

[mystic pilot]

Like sirosky said stability is a dump stat on hellbore because it does not fire so fast for recoil to matter. Youre doing slow and precise shots.

[umbral flume]

Dump stat for power falchion please?

[hollow ibex]

mob

[honest quiver]

the most annoying person you know just bought this cap

[serene bough]

This is a nice hat

[winter grove]

What the fuck

[winter grove]

The order for dump stats is basically
If collateral is present as a stat - dump collateral
If else dump defense stat
If neither are present dump mobility

[mystic pilot]

And then theres the plasma gun that call for a different array of allocations

[winter grove]

Plasma gun is the only exception yeah

[mystic pilot]

Man the annoying thing out of my game today is ending up exactly 5 points from attaining trust level 18

[calm shard]

easier to right down general dump stats and the few exceptions

always dump in order of priority defences, collateral, mobility

Power Sword dumps Cleave Targets
Plasma Gun doesn't dump anything and wants heat res at or above 69 with charge rate as high as feasible
Helbore dumps Stability
Dueling Sword dumps Cleave Damage

[wind patio]

Anyone else having the bug where you can't tag?

[livid sphinx]

charge rate doesnt matter for plasma

that's the dump stat

[fair shale]

No it isnt

It affects how fast your shots come out

You want iirc 69 charge rate and 71 thermal resistance

[livid sphinx]

charging is for when you press right click

[narrow frost]

affects left click time to attack

[austere mica]

charge rate affects left click

[fair shale]

The standard left click also charges.

[livid sphinx]

also if you want to increase attack rate of plasma you can just attack cancel

[fair shale]

Personally, no

[livid sphinx]

That's useful for monsters and crushers

since the recoil is brutal

[austere mica]

Left and right

[livid sphinx]

idk if you guys are aware of that cancel thingy

lower is for uncharged shots?

[austere mica]

yes

at 80% for that screenshot

[livid sphinx]

I mean to be fair fire rate doesn't really matter that much for plasma

You'll only need it against big targets

That's why imo 60% charge rate is fine

[fair shale]

And what do you consider big targets

[livid sphinx]

Crushers and monsters

Against captains you generally dont wanna use range cuz the shield has a ranged damage reduction

[fair shale]

Crushers are possibly the least efficient thing you could be shooting plasma into

[livid sphinx]

I mean if they're lined up its good to shoot plasma

[fair shale]

It doesn't pen them iirc

[livid sphinx]

Most of the time I just throw a krak or just stab them

It does

wait i'll just record the shoot cancel thingy

This is the plasma that i'm using

I fucked up the last cancel but you get the idea

You can see why its only useful against big guys because the recoil is brutal

[tall torrent]

it does not

[hybrid plover]

When has plasma ever penned carapace

wat

[tall torrent]

plasma cannot cleave through carapace

most things cannot

[hybrid plover]

Sunder power sword and anything that specifcally allows you to ignore hit mass can cleave

Plasma is not one of those things.

[austere mica]

I tried sunder PS and its PS alright

[livid sphinx]

I've cleared crusher patrols with plasma though

[austere mica]

Being able to armor slide is sexy but like

power sword

Icky slow

[maiden vector]

Sunder on PS works good

[livid sphinx]

so I swear it has cleaving on carapace

even those maulers

[hybrid plover]

probably very inefficiently by just shooting them a bunch

but plasma can't cleave em

it can cleave maulers because maulers are flak armored

they just have carapace helmets

[livid sphinx]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That's confusing af

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Also, animation cancel is not exactly something you want to entirely rely on in a tense scenario.

It's better to just have a higher charge rate generally.

[livid sphinx]

I mean plasma in general is used for sniping anyway

If you're surrounded then just switch to your melee

Which is funny because i've seen a lot of vets would rather just reload while surrounded than switch to melee

[maiden vector]

https://youtu.be/nDBUXzWlcas?si=jU6AdUMM_pns2FjM

[radiant finch]

I've been getting that since scum came out

[wind patio]

annoying since I like to run focus target

[verbal burrow]

Liked

[maiden vector]

What stat to dump on heavy bolter?

[unreal nova]

Mobility. I think you can dump collateral if you don't plan on pinning fire.

[maiden vector]

You mean precise aiming?

[unreal nova]

The one that has you do more to staggered targets. I might need to check the name.

Is pinning fire, more strength based on x targets you stagger.

[woeful field]

Power swords speed felt less debilitating as I got better with positioning

[maiden vector]

500 enemies with krak grenade is painful

I need 300ish more

[remote sonnet]

Do a grenadier build and spam it whenever possible.

Play Auric to get more enemy spawn, so you regen grenade faster.

You can also gamble with grenade perks in mortis.

[maiden vector]

Problem not in grenades

But ppl around me

[remote sonnet]

Which difficulty are you playing on?

[maiden vector]

Damnation

They just speedrun crushers

[remote sonnet]

Yeah, play auric, there are a lot more enemies that people are preoccupied.

bulwark also count

If you get shock troop modifier, they spawn a lot more. I dare say that you can get 50 done in 1 game.

[sudden cedar]

@maiden vector The best mission to do this on would be Scab Only Mostly Melee. You'll be spammed with so many armoured targets, it should be smooth sailing.

[maiden vector]

?

[sudden cedar]

You are looking for armoured targets for you Krak Penance, are you not?

[remote sonnet]

It is an Auric maelstrom condition.

It is Scab mostly melee, no ammo pick up.

So people can't spam guns, and you have more opportunity to use krak.

That one can easy net you 50 krak kills.

[sudden cedar]

Unless you have a melee psyker who's ruining the fun.

Or.. well.. a Scriers Psyker in general ruining all the fun

[maiden vector]

That deadly mission.. hmm

[sudden cedar]

It is difficult, yes, but i don't think it is deadly.

[unreal nova]

Smite? I assume you mean smite. Guy kept getting backstabbed.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova No, Scriers Gaze.

[unreal nova]

And smykers still run gaze smite.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah but it is Scriers Gaze in general.

Usually.

But any Psyker is ruining the fun, really.

[unreal nova]

Depends, a good one, sure. A bad one is a difficulty modifier.

I guess ruins fun in another way.

[quick shell]

There’s a solution to this actually

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[sudden cedar]

@quick shell True.

[quick shell]

Man this gif was the best thing to hit darktidecord fr

[maiden vector]

No, in my localisation this type of mission just called "deadly"

[sudden cedar]

Aha.

[maiden vector]

But, I'm past Destiny player, so I just call it Nightfall

[sudden cedar]

[maiden vector]

Also, this 53 mission is translated also like.. "deadly"

But more correct en equivalent word would be violation of discord TOS

[remote sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/231487115517624320/1424985433825083422/IMG_20251006_185345_486.jpg?ex=69462e1a&is=6944dc9a&hm=0abc19d759a2bd6ed9f1c48c13f9870ee16d5d12ea2926196044fa1c8a00ee19&=&format=webp&width=923&height=692

(the mech is named Nightfall)

[maiden vector]

Naaaaah

I'm not this kinda guy

[tropic warren]

I used to no life destiny. Got activated like a sleeper agent

[maiden vector]

Whether we wanted or not, we always remember destiny

Darktide discord

From what we can know, it drifting players from Luckystruck discord here one by one

[steep flower]

I wish it was not a life service dogshit that it is now
Loved that game; loved gambit - was a Reckoner
Also Raids were peak…

[maiden vector]

Lightfall raid be like

[steep flower]

Did not played it

[maiden vector]

I marathon it for 46h for emblem

[steep flower]

I quit for good at lightfall

[maiden vector]

It's abysmal dogshit

Not a raid

[steep flower]

I remember day 1 crypt & disciple; ppl were dogshit & pointing out i’m using tarrabah yet had highiest DPS & clear on what i had to do despite them using meta at the time & doing worse

[sly orchid]

callsign raven

[remote sonnet]

Pilot call sigh

[slender elm]

that's three pennies for pilots with the raven callsign

[tame lodge]

Eh that ain't much

[maiden vector]

I have coal boiler for warm and when I reactivating it I had played in my headphones "Reactivation"

Ofc, after "Prayers to Machine" track ended

[slender elm]

considering its my first lancer campaign...

On the other hand, when do I pull out the bolter if I'm running one

It's good against crushers right?

[night belfry]

how i feel using the duelling sword for the 1st time in months

[maiden vector]

Cornelius get a promotion from Krieg company lieutenant to commissar

[surreal onyx]

What good is gaze to smite anyway

[tame lodge]

High uptime on EP Smite and Warp Rider

And under the right circumstances
You have infinite smite

Have you ever experienced 3 minutes of uninterrupted smiting

[compact bough]

has anyone else had some weird frame drops using the power falcion? think it was tied to the cranial grounding perk, swapping off that seemed to fix it

[surreal onyx]

nope

[tame lodge]

Good

It's worse than hard drugs

Stay away from it

[slender elm]

shadow shaman is a boring hero

[surreal onyx]

I've only gone with smite bubble

[proven silo]

hello new to the game, just got to lvl 30 whats a good build for the recon lasgun?

[tepid otter]

Prolly Exec with FT, but das just me

Some Recon Las build is getting passed around recently with like a silly name

from gameslantern

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/light-show

[old prism]

remember what they took from you veterans

imagine your ability being able to reload your gun

[crude wind]

There was a reason they took this away. It was a good reason then, it's the same now

[old prism]

a good reason won't stop me from gaslighting veteran players

[maiden vector]

Out of memory exception in 2025

[crude wind]

Mod related

I get this one

[maiden vector]

I have several crash logs and they are identical

[tame lodge]

22 shots plasma

[maiden vector]

205 left

And vet is 60/60

[dreamy spade]

Does man stopper give a lot of cleave?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nikki-deloach-five-more-minutes-times-infinity-infinity-gif-26426831

[dreamy spade]

I'm considering double barrel with weapon specialist

Not sure if I can guarantee 1 shots, maybe with both barrels active

[tame lodge]

Manstopper Flechette

Weapon Specialist 3 melee kills = guaranteed ranged crit

[dreamy spade]

Yeah but the bleed doesn't give melee specialist right

Need a 1 shot

[maiden vector]

Accatran lasgun is fun

[narrow torrent]

Ew no shocktrooper

[hollow ibex]

you don't need ammo, surv and shocktrooper

taking all 3 on recon is just a waste of points

[narrow torrent]

Recon las goes brrrrrt

I just drop weapon specialist

[hollow ibex]

recon las vets are the purge psykers of vet

they fold the moment there's a bit of melee

except they have a quarter of the damage output of purg psykers

[red robin]

Damnn

The dclaw skin in the shop looking nice

Just wish they buffed the damn thing

Praying that they’re given new blessings in the next big update

[hollow ibex]

3 more impact blessings

best i can do

-fatshart

[red robin]

Read my mind

I was thinking damn, those impact blessings are goofy

[true jackal]

they do put in work, it can stagger some silly shit

you won't kill anything

but can easily just stagger lock crushers

[hollow ibex]

well not worth giving up shred/rampage for tho

[true jackal]

when the weapon needs all the damage it can get? aboslutely not worth it no, but it is funny

[hollow ibex]

fair

[red robin]

I just want parry blessings that are dogshit 99% other than aura farm how I whiff timings vs crushers

Would love a blessing that gives imperfect parries 30% finesse dmg or strength on the riposte hit with perfect parries being a guaranteed crit with 50% finesse dmg + rending

Idk

Just something

Also I wish we had weakspot strength available in either talents or blessings

I miss when hotshot from Helbore applied to your melee weapon

[bold sierra]

something stupid for a thumbnail

[surreal rune]

the new relic blade skin is nice but has anyone else noticed that when the weapon is powered, it doesnt spread to the rest of the blade

[bold sierra]

yes it's known but tbh i kinda like it like that ngl xD

[surreal rune]

so its only the part by the crossguard which is powered, but the blade is not powered

[bold sierra]

the electric stuff on relic blade look like wringly worms

[surreal rune]

it seems to be a "relic" (in the worst terms) of an old pattern

so the powering system being faulty makes sense

thus, it is not a clean sheen broughten across the blade but rather crackling spark

[undone jungle]

i mean psword requires 0 talent point investment to be op so it's really just a skill issue

for some reason every recon vet I see runs a combat knife and dies to 5 poxwalkers

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[undone jungle]

nothing wrong with cknife

just an observation

[undone jungle]

been running recon lately it's kinda fun but also just a worse helbore in most cases (talking abt non infernos builds)

maybe im just too helborebrained

[hollow ibex]

it's a perfectly fine gun

it's just that i often see people using it for everything

including horde clear

and it's just not what it's good for

[scenic oracle]

I stick with knife mainly for the movement speed lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's def excellent for that

[surreal rune]

there are worms in your sword.... pull them out pull them out pull them outpull them out

[dry cloak]

yeah thats not a good thing . and ususally its the mk14

[hollow ibex]

i see the mk12 the most

because haha funny lasweapon goes brrrrrrrrt

whenever i see a mk12 user i automatically assume they suck at the game

and 95% of the time, i'm right

[dry cloak]

was the fast one mk14?

i may be miss remmebering

[hollow ibex]

14 is the slow one

[dry cloak]

yeah

mk12 looks good

until you use 6c

iuse recon las more on psyker

[hollow ibex]

yeah 6 is my favorite

[dry cloak]

if i use lasguns onvet its either laspitol as a sidearm or helbore

[frozen crown]

any tips for someone wanting to do stealth vet?

[red robin]

Give vraks autogun with raking fire a try with the ranged backstab talent

Not an insane build, but it’s fun

[frozen crown]

I gotcha, I'm mainly wanting to do it for a penance but I also want to be able to have fun with it lol

[red robin]

90% less threat and 2 charge nodes neat

The nerf to the cdr talent hit infiltrate the worst tho

The long cd with 2 charges kinda iffy

[frozen crown]

Vet is my least played class I think, havent really done much besides helbore with stance and marksmans focus and plasma gun voice of command with focus target

[frozen crown]

might try the 2 charge nodes, I considered the tdr one but it might be a bit redundant with the threat one

[red robin]

The 90% less threat is seen with negative light, for good reason, as it makes the game harder for your allies, good rule of thumb is that you overcompensate by using that invis and threat reduction to play more aggressive against taking out specialists and ranged elites

Like if you already go out of your way to kill them, do it moreso

Basically it’s just good etiquette to be more team oriented in mentality when you’re taking a anti-team talent like 90% less threat

[frozen crown]

yeah, I have a shit ton of time with shroudfield zealot and my main strategy w it was to disrupt groups of specialists like gunners and whatnot

get deep deep into a group of enemies and murder them from within/behind

[faint beacon]

Playing a match I can probably give a rundown on a generic stealth pick

[faint beacon]

Anyways my question is what exactly do you want to pair with Stealth exactly

[surreal rune]

try no keystone or focus target with grenade focus

[frozen crown]

mainly just want to do armor/crowd disruption, already rocking krak nades

yeah i was thinking of doing focus target just for the support aspect im already constantly marking shit anyways

[faint beacon]

Ranged weapon in mind or melee thats a must have cause I could toss a generic build for it

[hollow ibex]

just do this

infil doesn't really snyergize with kraks

[red robin]

Worst case scenario you want to avoid as stealth vet, is overestimating yourself vs an encounter and stealthing beyond reach of your team, and going down, literally the hot wash of shame for putting the team in a bad spot like that

[faint beacon]

^ Also thats a stealth Shredder spam build its an effective meme build

If you're doing kraks you just use Stealth for repositioning or rushing down gunners

or if toughness breaks

[red robin]

I’ve made mistakes like that, and I wasn’t him, and lost matches for making stupid plays

So play smart with positioning away from the team with invis, the second charge on infiltrate helps as a panic button

[frozen crown]

mhm ive already been humbled enough to be fairly cautious about positioning

[faint beacon]

But yeah is there any ranged weapon you absolutely need or melee?

Cause usually with Vet if you want one your other option has to compliment it

[red robin]

The Classic, if your melee, blitz, or ranged can’t handle carapace, select one of those 3 to deal with carapace

[faint beacon]

Worst case run Tac Axe

jack of all trades for Vet

[frozen crown]

not really any in particular, I kinda wanna lean towards knife just because im used to that with shroud zealot but I also like trying new things

[red robin]

Combat Knife with uncanny can help, a lot of mobility that I like

[frozen crown]

ive used the tac axe a fair bit on scum and it's been really fun

[red robin]

I’m insane and I have an extra knife that has damage dumped for that micro level change of having 80% mobility

Dumb to do that tho, as 60% mobility is more than plenty on combat knife

[faint beacon]

Its fucking insane on Veteran

its a Top 3 melee basically

went from one of the most hated to the best after Exploit Weakness was changed

[frozen crown]

might need to try that out

[faint beacon]

Tac Axe Mark 7

[fair shale]

There's not a single class that gets TAxe that I think it's bad on tbh

[red robin]

Skirmisher and exploit weakness unironically baller

[frozen crown]

I used axes back when the game first came out and they kinda traumatized me but im warming up to them again

[red robin]

Very solid option with plenty of mobility, dmg, and mix up for hordes and single target elites

[frozen crown]

might try tac axe with vraks autogun

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lCtqNDTDhjZYId_zF?invite=cr-MSx0T2UsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=15

This doesn't really show it well but it has something funny in it

may as well show it

[frozen crown]

the screaming lmao

[faint beacon]

Tactical Axe special staggers everything in game minus Bosses

so you just special on a crusher head to get them off you

[red robin]

Can it interrupt charging mutants?

[faint beacon]

its more a death by 10 cuts cause it does decent carapace you just have to lay into the targets head

[faint beacon]

Yes

[red robin]

peak

Idk I’ve used taxe but never tried that

[faint beacon]

Always aim for the head

how you stagger them

[red robin]

MK1 shovel is what made me familiar to that stagger mutant mechanic

[faint beacon]

tac axe is literally just Mk1 Shovel with more movement and reliability over shovel imo

but shovel is still good

Anyways I could send a rough build if you're interested

Vraks IAG + Tac Axe though?

[frozen crown]

used tac axe with full atk speed and strength into finesse stim, doubling up with stim supply and using rampage and i was hitting the point where my attack speed was only limited by my crit speed and i could demolish crushers in seconds on auric

[faint beacon]

were you running hyper-critical?

on the high crit weapon

LMAO

[frozen crown]

yeah

[faint beacon]

Shit turns hordes into a joke

[frozen crown]

ikr

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lFQY9GFVVGFDQiizf?invite=cr-MSx6Uk4sMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=129

Like literally

Hyper crit + violence on Tac Axe turning hordes into jokes

[frozen crown]

was the keystone called rampage or was it the ability i fogor

i run the keystone

[faint beacon]

Rampage is the ability

Adrenaline is the keystone

[frozen crown]

i wish the ability didnt have that bigass debuff at the end

gotcha

[faint beacon]

Oh no it needs it

its so fucking busted without it

LMAO

@frozen crown Threw this together in a few minutes but this should work really well, general rough mock up of it at least

FUCK

I did hit

This is corrected Vraks

[frozen crown]

gotcha will check it out, thanks

[hollow ibex]

I think fire frenzy is better than death spitter on Vraks

[faint beacon]

Eh interchangeable

but yeah

depends

[narrow frost]

3.5% strength vs 5% damage, right?

[faint beacon]

One is strength in general

the other is strictly close range

[dry cloak]

vraks mk5🤮

[faint beacon]

Again seeing its Vraks it kinda boils down to literally just depends on how you want to play

[narrow frost]

3 red dust today

[faint beacon]

cause your ass can snipe with it if you understand basic recoil control

[faint beacon]

urgrhhhrhhrhrhrhr

I should get on in a bit

remind me too

[junior badge]

I'd probably pick up trench fighter drill and serrated blade for more attacks and consistent damage on carapace and monstrosities

[dry cloak]

bleed does not do alot when ticking on carapace

[fair shale]

6.5x5 stacking strength vs 10x5 stacking close damage

[junior badge]

It does scale with rend though

[dry cloak]

still not much

[dreamy spade]

It stacks?

[junior badge]

It's a life saver when surrounded by a pack and you constantly hit and run. Helped me clutch on numerous occasions.

[hollow ibex]

5 stacks for each blessing yeah

[dreamy spade]

Why doesn't deathspitter say it stacks?

[narrow frost]

the simple answer to every question

[dry cloak]

never had need for bleed

[fair shale]

Yes, deathspitter stacks, no the blessing doesn't tell you.

[junior badge]

Onslaught and vraks is funny on crushers

[dry cloak]

its funny

but not effective

[junior badge]

For havoc probably not, but auric and below it's fun to play around with

[deft tangle]

which is the best automatic full machine gun?

[hollow ibex]

vraks IAG

[mystic pilot]

automatic gun. Because technically only the Ogyrn has anything that's like machine gun, especially those stubbers he can use

[deft tangle]

But its a good option for Havoc?

[maiden vector]

Accatran lasgun works very cool on deadly gold missions

[faint beacon]

tac axe's Damage alone even without rending strikes is pretty solid against Carapace and TFD is more of a QOL pick than really anything its not needed with Taxe

[crude wind]

what do people run on Plasma these days? It has been an age since I used this weapon

[mystic pilot]

oh that's unfortunate

great array but wrong dump stat

[crisp oak]

Nice

[hasty grove]

CadianJane

[crude wind]

UA/Flak for havoc BPs I assume?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored for best tox bomber 1 tap possible since they cause the biggest problems

Flak is scab gunner 1hs for base game

In havoc u need crit-HS with a bunch of buffs up

Or less with exe stance

[fair shale]

Ts pmo

[tall torrent]

do u hav time

[fair shale]

Fuck you mean your unarmored dome piece is eating a plasma shot

[fair shale]

For all the ways it also pisses you off?

[tall torrent]

no just to check smth

[fair shale]

Probably, in havoc oarty finder

Whats up

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

can u open this

[fair shale]

Nice zipbomb

Yes

[tall torrent]

cool

<@&735928989146939404> can u guys pin the new steam guide and unpin the old onedrive link, thanks

[tall torrent]

this one is new

[potent iris]

[tame lodge]

Let's go

Wait

More energy

LET'S

FUCKIN

GOOO

[hollow ibex]

Nice

[tall torrent]

if u want u could post it over to DT subreddit lol

[hollow ibex]

i mostly lurk but i'll post

[mystic pilot]

oh your build diagram is very nice and easy to read

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pqxggp/hammer_of_the_emperor_the_vets_ogrynomicon_has/

hope you don't hate the title @tall torrent, but wanted to sell it to the casuals

[tall torrent]

thanks

[hollow ibex]

thank you for the guide

happy holidays my man

[faint beacon]

Oh its finally public lmao

[tall torrent]

yez

[hollow ibex]

my first time seeing it 😭

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-its-so-beautiful-gif-15644547

well outside of seeing clips and screenshots lol

Bath has given birth

[orchid hemlock]

I can't wait for the redditors to start coping 😈

[hybrid plover]

Optimal blessings for combat knife mk6, uncanny and flesh tearer.

My madness was well within reason.

[tall torrent]

do u like the example build format

[hybrid plover]

I really do. This entire guide isn't just good for veteran but for people understanding the game's mechanics as a whole as well. Very well done honestly.

[orchid hemlock]

redditors try to read challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[hollow ibex]

jfc

that can't be the first comment on that thread

well second

[orchid hemlock]

You probably will need to put it on the post or nobody is going to read it 😔

[hollow ibex]

after mine

what part about HAS BEEN RELEASED is unclear 😭

lmfao

[mystic pilot]

Name say it all

https://tenor.com/view/that-little-troll-annoyed-irritated-betrayed-hate-him-gif-16813228

[orchid hemlock]

GOTEM

[hybrid plover]

Fairly certain they're just ragebaiting to be honest

[mystic pilot]

@tall torrent gave it a look over. One thing that come to mind first; combat shotguns section need to mention what special attack (shell) they have. I know Agripinaa fire a slug and Accatran an incendiary round that doesn't do much?

[hybrid plover]

Probably didn't even look at the guide.

[mystic pilot]

like I said name say it all. "that little troll"

[tall torrent]

what do u need to know beyond these

mk VI's spreadshot?

[mystic pilot]

wait so

Agripinna's slug doesn't do anything beside able to do terrain penetration, compared to normal shots?

shoot I thought it would do more against toughter enemies

[tall torrent]

wdym

well

I don't have enough space for shotguns' damage per shot

[mystic pilot]

same damage, same modifiers, beside terrain penetration

[tall torrent]

and I purposefully skipped shotguns' damage per shot tables because they're mad inconsistent

[hollow ibex]

yah i mean guide had been out for all of 30 minutes

and bro got downvoted to oblivion

so i'm ignoring him

[tepid panther]

@tall torrent On the weapon movesets is the one of the left single target and the ones on the right horde?

[tall torrent]

wdym

[mystic pilot]

so the special attack slug would be more consistent because its a single projectile and all of the usual damage is in it?

[hybrid plover]

Like at least make the ragebait believable and give it some time so people can at least believe you read the guide before spouting shit lol

[tepid panther]

Just asking on the flowchart is left ST moves and one on right for horde clear?

[tall torrent]

top left (light & heavy atks' combo chains)
top right (push and push atk combo chain)
bottom (other)

[tepid panther]

Ah, thank you. Was having trouble reading that a bit.

[tall torrent]

yea it's just 1 singular pellet

I still don't have the character space to make a dmg table for it tho

I'll see if I can add that in later maybe

by squeezing some stuff out

currently fixing melee atks' incorrect power lvl (wrong stagger & cleave values displayed)

[quiet valley]

@tall torrent I’m shaking rn

[tall torrent]

yea

[tame lodge]

Bro's shaking

Even though

We've been saying Mk2 better

For a while now

[quiet valley]

MkX Las Pistol my beloved

[tall torrent]

it's ok u can downvote the guide if u want

[quiet valley]

Mk2 is easier to throw in any random build as a sidearm, MkX is the better option for an ranged build

I get it tho

Still shaking tho

[tall torrent]

u cud even give the guide a clown award

if that helps u shake less

[quiet valley]

Lol

[mystic pilot]

I mean you can just say that the slug give solid damage in a single chunk compared to damage being inconsistent with normal attacks due to how many pellets have hit said target

[stuck geyser]

think this node is worth?

[sullen scarab]

Just dropping in to say congrats on publishing the veteran guide! Love your work and all the help you guys give!

[tepid panther]

Is the PG still bugged?

[sullen scarab]

Flak on Power Sword in the guide?

[hollow ibex]

ah ok these are all just tanner fans prob

which makes sense

[mystic pilot]

or just trolls

[sullen scarab]

I saw those, like what

Guide objectively has huge data dumps and explanations for mechanics in extreme detail

[tall torrent]

I mean, this is literally in the first section lol

I straight up just tell u to not trust everything in here

[hollow ibex]

i think those guys got triggered because i mentioned ogrynomicon

which is why i think they're tanner simps

[tall torrent]

also can u reply to this and tell him that the builds are after veteran talent sections

I purposefully made it that way so that class talents and class builds are not separated really far apart if/when I add other classes stuff

[sullen scarab]

I think it's good, I like the layout

I linked it to my friends who are new

It's helping them a lot

I like how you give brief explanations for things when explaining the weapons and stuff

So people understand what's what

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent did you get rid of the talent rankings thing?

[tall torrent]

yes

unnecessary

when I already have a veteran build template out

[hollow ibex]

damn

where do i point for onslaught simps tho

[tall torrent]

u can basically just build on top of this

[tall torrent]

there's a reason none of the example builds have recon lasgun

[sullen scarab]

THE BUILD

I saw you recommend flak/unyielding/carapace on the power sword now, what does the flak help with? Bruisers?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/right-in-the-trash-saturday-night-live-straight-in-the-trash-right-in-the-garbage-bag-throw-it-in-the-trash-gif-15533239868216478572

[tall torrent]

flak basically is just for scab captain / admon champ

[sullen scarab]

Ahhhhh ok

[tall torrent]

it's a generalist pick

[sullen scarab]

Makes sense

[proud jolt]

las pistol solves all problems

[hybrid plover]

Apparently they think the guide has a toxic positivity problem

Where it's not said that some weapons are just bad. When every weapon brought up also has their specific drawbacks lmao

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[hybrid plover]

Like I thought maybe this was just ragebait but nah this guy actually seems to be believing what he's spitting.

[sullen scarab]

Must be a Tanner fan where they think you have to speak like you're from 4chan

And say everything is shit

[tall torrent]

I can't open that reddit link anymore, weird

[tame lodge]

Shadow banned

[tall torrent]

I'm not even logged in

[tame lodge]

Uh

[hollow ibex]

oh

yeah i can't access it in private either

crazy

[tame lodge]

Can't open Kitchencels as well

I think

Reddit is down

[hollow ibex]

oh wait its back

[hybrid plover]

Well I said my piece.

[faint beacon]

The Build tm

[sullen scarab]

Reddit is down

Your guide broke it

This one made me lol

objectively

[bold sierra]

did some H40 exec stance + power sabre and infantry lasgun w/ weapon specialist keystone today, was peak.

[tepid otter]

Huh, was Ilas buffed or something

[tame lodge]

[Hyperbolic] Never

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[bold sierra]

no, I just personally love playing it in Havoc 40, it works really well imo

given if you can hit them headshots reliably

[tepid otter]

Surprised your team just didnt berate you not using plasma

[stuck geyser]

thoughts on thiss tree? for havoc 35+

plasma gun + power sword

[bold sierra]

they got no choice, I host my H40s haha

[tall torrent]

it is good feedback

[faint beacon]

Well yeah at least its not the classic

"this sucks lmao"

[pseudo fiber]

Congrats path the reddit malice players has decided your builds are bad tho sorry

[bold sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCN2abeglk i'ma just plug this shi here, if anyone interested in taking a gander at H40 inf las-ing.

[tame lodge]

Sorry man
Internet person said double Barrel bad

[hybrid plover]

"Recommending a double barrel shotgun"

[tame lodge]

So it bad

[hybrid plover]

-_-

[tall torrent]

I specifically picked 3 builds that use 3 different abilities & keystones

[bold sierra]

also, HK players don't really care much lol

[tall torrent]

they're just meant to be examples

[bold sierra]

EU however, boi, they can be opinionated sometimes sheesh

sometimes

[tepid otter]

Should try doing party finder

[tall torrent]

I'm still fixing inaccurate stuff in guide

what the fuck is 515 power lvl like what's even the point

[hybrid plover]

Really the main thing that got me was that dude saying the guide has a "Toxic positivity" issue

[tall torrent]

to make a specific atk do 3% more dmg/stagger/cleave

what

[hybrid plover]

Like this is the one guide I've seen that doesnt have that issue.

I guess because you're not blatantly saying something is bad, it's toxic positivity.

When in general I'm just seeing weapons being broken down in a much more unbiased sense.

[tall torrent]

I think they're more referring to ognmcon as "toxic positivity"

[bold sierra]

all in all, Inf lasgun, really good ammo economy, good maniac/dreg rager dmg, GHOST blessing is dope, inverted-dmgfalloff is cool for long range, i like it.

Have to use FullAuto mod tho

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but how does that relate here.

[tall torrent]

idk I don't think they even read mine

[tepid otter]

Yeah I like it too

[tall torrent]

I've yet to receive a clown award on it

[tepid otter]

I mainly dont get accepted even in low Havocs for bringing it with me though

[tall torrent]

is it really a good guide if it doesn't get clown awards

[bold sierra]

yeah tis rough for the low-rankers...

[pseudo fiber]

Because the guy on reddit called it the "Ogrynomicon for Vet"

[bold sierra]

I try to accept as many non 40-clearers as much as possible, but man sometimes it can be iffy xD

[tepid otter]

Is it actually, am just trying to get a penance hence why i mainly try and join low havocs

But they still prefer meta loadouts I guess

[bold sierra]

ppl do tend to try to climb ig

[hollow ibex]

i can give you one if you really want it

[sullen scarab]

He has to organically earn them

[bold sierra]

honestly it's safer bet trying to join H40 parties, since they USUALLY dont care too much about loadouts, or winning 100%.

speaking the obvious I think

but ofc, H40 is H40 xD

[tepid otter]

I thought it'd be the opposite, wouldnt people at h40 prefer to just win

[bold sierra]

the point of reaching 40 is to not be able to lose rank so I'd assume a lot less so.

so you can go all out with loadouts

well, not ALL out but yea

[tepid otter]

am Just H20 atm so I wouldn't know, I just thought doing lower Havocs would be easier for completing that penance for the moebian armor

[pine plume]

Yup you don't derank from 40

[sullen scarab]

when does havoc jump from heresy to damnation hp, was it 20?

[bold sierra]

it's easier ofc, but they probably care more about going as meta as possible than 40s

[tall torrent]

21~40

[tepid otter]

Weird

I've tried joining H40's as well though

[tall torrent]

nah it has to be organic

[tepid otter]

Its just as hard to join when youre of lower rank

[hollow ibex]

Picky picky

[tepid otter]

Specailly if you dont have any like auric titles or sum shit

[sullen scarab]

I slap on Reject and they need to accept me for who I am

[tall torrent]

did u know that boltgun's bash uses autogun bash profile, and revolver bash uses boltgun bash profile

why is this a thing? who knows

[bold sierra]

well yeah, 40 is still 40 xD, even tho they care less about loadouts and 100% winning, they probably still want some semblance of a well-rounded game I suppose xD

I invite a lot of sub-H30 players, and oh boi a lot of them are not ready for 40, some of them are good tho

[tepid otter]

Fair

Its not like I bring dog shit builds either tho

[pine plume]

Tbh the build has less to do with it than you think

[tepid otter]

Am tryinna complete a penance but I still wanna enjoy other weaps other than a plasma

[hollow ibex]

the mysterious ways of the rotund megaldon

[grand spoke]

whats vets best melee weapon for general use/ad clear?

[hollow ibex]

psword

followed prob by rashad

[grand spoke]

ty

[sullen scarab]

Rashad my beloved

[tepid otter]

Chord enjoyer

[gentle lake]

Do not use falchion

Not until they buff it

Honestly why tf did they even add it

Just buff psword and make cycling built in

Vet doesn't need their own relic blade

[tame lodge]

Because

They can't buff power sword

And they can't nerf power sword

[tepid panther]

Can't change it either as people love how it is.

[tame lodge]

Put people don't want to constantly activate every 3 swings

[livid sphinx]

Duelling Sword

[tame lodge]

Poor horde clear

Then Fatshark being the coward they are

Made falchion

[livid sphinx]

Not the best horde clear but braindead. So you dont really need to think much when using it against hordes

[tame lodge]

Worse than fuckin shitactical axe

[livid sphinx]

I actually forgot tactical axe exists. All I ever see are the chain axe and the shovel

[tepid panther]

Tactaxe actually hasn't been too bad.

I've been enjoying it paired with revolver.

And bolter.

[cloud reef]

hey if i rly prefer ranged weps but aint so into laser weps, what would u recommend? new at the game but has done highest diff in vt2

[tepid panther]

Bolter

Revolver

[cloud reef]

for specials? and melee for shitty mobs?

[tepid panther]

Bolter and Revolver are special killing weapons. For melee it depends on preference. I usually use tactaxe now, but I also used psword

[cloud reef]

what about the lasbolt gun w the knife on the tip

[tall torrent]

helbore is a good backline sniping weapon

[tepid panther]

It also requires a different playstyle.

Since you need to charge it.

I hate that about it, so I avoid it, haha.

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
But it's a dedicated marksman play style

Also infinite ammo with shock trooper and surgical

[cloud reef]

mk4? what is that?

[tame lodge]

It's one of the marks of the Helbore

Mk3
Mk4
Mk5

"Medium, heavy and light"

[cloud reef]

Ah ty

is any autogun good?

[tame lodge]

Vigilants and Infantry are good

Braced
Eh not so much

[tall torrent]

vig and inf autos are the only ranged weapons I explicitly wrote "not rly any downsides"

[tame lodge]

Vigilants are dedicated marksman play style but not so much as Helbore

Quick shots left and right

[tall torrent]

try infantry autogun mk V and vigilant autogun mk III

[cloud reef]

if i enjoy normal bullet spray w focus on headshots, what would b the wep?

[tall torrent]

these are the best among them

[tall torrent]

infantry autogun V

[cloud reef]

thx bro

[tall torrent]

that one is full auto

if u want a bit more precision over range, go vig auto III

[tame lodge]

the game has me locking in at random moments

however, I stay geeked out

I like the extra attack speed of the altars

does no damage

[sullen scarab]

Defenses is a better stat than Mobility on the shovels?

[tame lodge]

If you plan on pushing a lot

Then defense is better

[tall torrent]

push cost

[mystic pilot]

@sullen scarab great new guide

[tall torrent]

he alrdy saw

[sullen scarab]

ye

I was just curious on the defense being listed there

but I guess its for the PUSHES

[heavy rover]

i have heard the news of the vet steam guide officially being published

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168

[tall torrent]

It is out yea

[sullen scarab]

i see it now under shovels

i just had to read....

my brain is expanding....

[mystic pilot]

[sullen scarab]

[orchid hemlock]

@hollow ibex the baiter got called out and now he's saying shit like:

"Oh uh, I was criticizing the Ogrynonicon"

[sullen scarab]

😂

i find it hilarious there's an entire discource on the ogrynomicon

in a thread about another fucking guide

[hollow ibex]

All working as intended 😈

[unreal nova]

Finally? Early Christmas miracle?

[sullen scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

hank rn

[orchid hemlock]

Is Ogrynonicon even bad?

Y'all seem to be talking shit 😈

But I don't see Hank having any haters

[sullen scarab]

I think its great like

they always bring up the "hank said toughness was good!!!" thing

[hollow ibex]

Prob Tanner influence

[orchid hemlock]

I'm shaking in my boots

[tepid panther]

Finally cleared my first damnation, proud of myself.

[red portal]

What did he mean by this?

[orchid hemlock]

That's a good question

[tepid panther]

Since the changes how do the difficulties rank now?

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure it was obvious from the start

[hollow ibex]

still pissed that he used a kingdom of heaven reference for his shitpost

[tall torrent]

U can go check it out rn

It still has no ratings lol

[hollow ibex]

wonder how many thumbs up you need

to get ratings

[orchid hemlock]

Incels using King Baldwin as a flex

Brother you probably would be stuck in bed for 2 weeks from a cold

[red portal]

Personally not the biggest fan of Hank but I also barely know em.

[orchid hemlock]

Wtf did Hank do to you?

[red portal]

Nothing really, they just rubbed me off the wrong way once or twice in gen chat. But I have had barely any exposure to them so it doesn't really say much.

Maybe they were just having a bad day.

[sullen scarab]

congrat!!!

[unreal nova]

Cos didn't notice. Was still using the old one when making my vraks for gun ganger.

Is kinda why I asked if you would use it over the dual autos.

[tepid panther]

Thanks. Been too scared to try it. I know it's not one of the hardest difficulties, but I was nervous about it.

[orchid hemlock]

I mean in sure being neutral is fine

But when it's Tanner of all people complaining about something Hank didn't even do 💀

[red portal]

Honestly I dunno why tanner is still even being brought up, isn't he basically irrelevant at this point.

[sullen scarab]

It's definitely a step up, but it feels so good!

[orchid hemlock]

To remind everyone he's a shitty person 😈

[tepid panther]

It's not as bad as going from Malice to Heresy when I first did it originally. Feels like malice is almost too easy.

[red portal]

All I know is the guy was slightly decent at the game and halfway knew the meta but had a massive ego problem and is in general a shit person yeah.

And can't admit to being wrong.

[fair shale]

Every single thing I've learned about Tanner has been against my will

[red portal]

Same

[gritty mural]

A tier useless S tier good is all of that guys videos

[fair shale]

Congrats

[red portal]

I know he was a part of the Warframe community for a while before he basically got excommunicated

[tepid panther]

https://tenor.com/view/excommunicado-john-wick-gif-21944564

[sullen scarab]

"Is it me who is toxic? No, it is the community that is wrong."

[livid sphinx]

Anyone here from asia?

[pseudo fiber]

same lol

Once I learned he told his community to harass strawhat for banning him from the discord for being a racist dipshit anything he says is entirely valueless to me

[fair shale]

And that's just like

The surface level stuff

[gentle lake]

When should i use smoke nades

[fair shale]

When you're being shot at and you want it to stop is pretty ideal

[livid sphinx]

Ngl I hate it when people use smoke

Its useful when someone is down but during big fights its hard to see

[hollow ibex]

There’s a mod that makes smoke transparent

So there’s that

[tall torrent]

damn only 3 star rating

joever

[tepid panther]

False info guide.

[tall torrent]

342 unique visitors
48 current favourites
3 stars (of 26 ratings)

[fair shale]

Have a bunch of awards

[tall torrent]

no organically given clown award tho

[narrow frost]

I got you

[fair shale]

I don't think i put one on there

I can

[tall torrent]

nah u don't need to

[fair shale]

My hive scum review got a clown award lmfao

[tall torrent]

has to be someone who genuinely read it all and decided that it's a clown guide

https://tenor.com/view/satono-diamond-kitasan-black-dancing-tongue-out-umamusume-gif-10360028360813380941

[fair shale]

There's a lot of words in that mf

[hollow ibex]

I think it starts low and goes up depending on thumb’s up received

[tall torrent]

it's the star rating

not upvote/downvote

[hollow ibex]

oh it's based on stars?

no no

i'm saying the stars are based on the thumbs up

and you just can't get 5 stars

[fair shale]

So like

[hollow ibex]

when you don't have many ratings

[fair shale]

Tf happens with steam points

Do they move to you when you get an award

Am I throwing these into the void

[tall torrent]

idk

[hollow ibex]

i think path gets most or all of the points

[tall torrent]

I've never cared abt steam points

I have like 200k+

[fair shale]

Uhhh

[hollow ibex]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1738841319803637310/

[grave hawk]

is the support vet on Games Lantern the current one that feels best

[hollow ibex]

i haven't seen the buid but most likely not

[grave hawk]

squad leader?

VoC spam

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent

This is for you

[narrow frost]

It's good to assume that every Gamealantern build are not good

[tall torrent]

I saw

[grave hawk]

hmm

sounds like im adapitng it them

[hollow ibex]

Oh this is ok.

[narrow frost]

Looks fine, idk about born leader

[hollow ibex]

Yeah besides skipping nade regen

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[coarse tide]

does field improv not work when allies deploy the medipac?

[hybrid plover]

Born leader ain't a bad pick but skipping demo team for it is

[narrow frost]

It works if the vet is currently in the game

[hybrid plover]

A choice ™

[narrow frost]

Only time it wont work is if the vet is in the process of respawning

[grave hawk]

how bout this

[fair shale]

You want survivalist

It is the vet aura

The others don't exist

[grave hawk]

doesnt damage increase mean less ammo used

[fair shale]

The damage increase isn't going to outweigh the extra damage the extra ammo will provide

[grave hawk]

that only thign wrong then

[fair shale]

No tbh, that's just the first thing that jumped out at me.

[tall torrent]

just build off this template

[fair shale]

The Build Vet Edition

[grave hawk]

is the 50% ws speed really that necessary?

[fair shale]

Depends on your gun taste ime

[grave hawk]

plasma

[fair shale]

Then yes I would run one motion.

[tall torrent]

checked again, there's not enough character spacing for slug's dmg per shot in that

sorry

maybe I split it into 2 sections?

[grave hawk]

boom

since its more support focused

[neon pecan]

Executioner stance should reload the gun when activated

[fair shale]

It used to

Way back when

[neon pecan]

I felt like it did at one point, but figured I was gaslighting myself

[fair shale]

Could one mag bosses with a bolter doing it

[hollow ibex]

i wished it got the reload back

might be a bit op but eh

[fair shale]

Tbh

I think it should have it?

I think any ability that swaps you to your gun should load it atm

[tall torrent]

wouldn't mind but current stance alrdy very strong

I kinda like that it's a QoL ult now

[fair shale]

It defo doesn't need it

[tall torrent]

it's in a niche category that no other ability occupies

[silver patrol]

Desperado does what Exe Stance doesn't

[fair shale]

Look

Ill trade the Desp auto load if you give us the ES cooldowns while in use

[silver patrol]

I'll trade the whole Exe Stance for desperado buffs

[fair shale]

I think it's funny ES is what it is now and Desp is old ES on crack

[neon pecan]

I just want it as QOL not as much as a buff

[livid sphinx]

I miss the bolter mag dump into exe stance into mag dump

Deletes every boss

[hybrid plover]

Desperado and Exe Stance aren't really comparable to be honest.

[silver patrol]

i agree, it would be kind of unfair

[hybrid plover]

Even if Desperado was in a more balanced state, they're meant to be different fundamentally.

[calm shard]

yeah

like how exe gives way more damage

but doesn't give infinite ammo

[orchid hemlock]

Desperado Vet or Desperado Scum?

[tall torrent]

4 star rating now

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[pseudo fiber]

Gave it a thumbs up and a favourite you deserve it

[orchid hemlock]

We getting there

[tall torrent]

is there a star rating thing or

[livid sphinx]

Okay i'm gonna swallow my pride now. Can I get carried for auric storm survivor? I died on my 4th one 😭

[hollow ibex]

it's just a thumbs up

[pseudo fiber]

no seems to be an aggregate

[tall torrent]

click top right's star

[livid sphinx]

pwetty pwease

[hollow ibex]

would help but i'm traveling rn and game does not play well on a 3050

[pseudo fiber]

Nothing I fear

[livid sphinx]

huhuhu alright

[tall torrent]

ok all gud

[pseudo fiber]

You'll get 5 stars no doubt

[livid sphinx]

Where's the mpreg award

[hollow ibex]

yeah nothing when i hover over it too

[tall torrent]

it's ok I don't rly need it

[livid sphinx]

I think its just thumbs up or down

[orchid hemlock]

Just play Psyker

[tame lodge]

Well
Yeah

Infinite ammo and ranged immunity

While Exec is a shit ton of buffs

But not infinite ammo nor ranged immunity

And as a PBB enjoyer

I wholeheartedly believe that desperado should also increase rof

[livid sphinx]

As OP as the psyker is, I'm still a scrub at playing it

I always explode myself as a psyker

[orchid hemlock]

Just press 2 buttons, everything dies in front of you

[livid sphinx]

are you talking about the pyro?

[calm shard]

infinite ammo is sadly its own seperate talent in shock trooper

[unreal nova]

Not for ALL guns.

[gilded pike]

link, nerd

[tall torrent]

see pinned

[gilded pike]

ic ty

[unreal nova]

Ammo dump vraks? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Always has a mobility dump.

[tall torrent]

22 shots not worth that much

[unreal nova]

I know. I just made a mobility dump on Vet, Zealot and Ganger... And kinda have one for arby but too lazy.

[fair shale]

Whats it lose in a mag?

[tall torrent]

56 vs 58

[fair shale]

Lmfao

I can see the ammo dump then

[hollow ibex]

literally unplayable

[livid sphinx]

Can someone explain to my why would anyone ever choose vigilant autogun over infantry lasgun

[gentle lake]

Anyone got a good shroudfield vet

[tall torrent]

cuz it's better?

[calm shard]

higher damage into priority targets, faster TTK into all enemies, better damage blessings

vigilants are really damn good for how low investment they are

[tall torrent]

the only downside I can rly think of for vig auto is the 3.3s reload

and maybe their iron sights being meh

but otherwise the 3r burst vig auto genuinely top tier

[livid sphinx]

Ohhh I was playing semi auto one

it felt so bad lol

[calm shard]

semi auto is the high investment one

[tall torrent]

best one is 3r burst

[calm shard]

3 shot burs vigilant is disgusting even when you put basically nothing into it

that gun does stupid damage

[tall torrent]

among the 3 other good human classes, which one should I add to guide first

[calm shard]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

psyker prob

they've been dying for a good guide forever

arbites doesn't really feel like they need one with how easy they are

[tall torrent]

that's not among the 3

[calm shard]

oh

uh

zealots compendia is good enough

go for the scum boy

[tall torrent]

I'm on zealot keystone rn

am considering arb tbh

not much work

tbh none of the 3 other gud classes are much work

just class talents + builds + exclusive weapons

[unreal nova]

I mean, at most, you can add a note for specific class blessings picks for shared stuff..

[calm shard]

yeah arb would be easy

which is also probably why they need a guide the least xd

[unreal nova]

Cos you never want Lethal prox on Zealot, lul.

But you can use it on Arby impacts and Ganger BB/Blinders.

[tall torrent]

I actually still think lethal prox is among the best blessings for boltpistol regardless of class

[rough galleon]

I'm trying to get the penance "long bomb" on veteran and I am confused by what they mean by "hit 5 enemies with a frag grenade without it bouncing". How do I accomplish this penance do I need to throw my frags directly at enemies or have it explode and hit 5 people or somthing completely different? I judg want the skin...

[tall torrent]

throw grenade at group of enemies ~42m away, high throw

[tepid panther]

How many stacks of surgical should you aim for before firing?

[azure narwhal]

This guide deserves the olde 4800 points

[tall torrent]

as many you want

[rough galleon]

So do I need to hit them directly with the Grenade or have it hit the floor first? How do I know the exact meters I am away lol?

[tall torrent]

airburst

u want the grenade to airburst

fuse time 1.7s

[rough galleon]

Ohhhhhh

Can I not use any grenade skills either only the base frag?