veteran-class

[austere mica]

Is also OP

[livid sphinx]

I mean braindead OP

[austere mica]

Better

[blazing jetty]

Mk4 devil's claw is also pretty good

[livid sphinx]

Power Sword you got to be a little smarter

[light crypt]

How so?

[deft cosmos]

Akira is a big brainer I can tell

They needn't the DS

[livid sphinx]

You just hold left click

and you have unlimited dodge

[light crypt]

I'm a level 17 Vet who only has 10 hours in game so far. I'm not that high up on the totem pole yet🙏

[deft cosmos]

This guy's heavy attack chaining with DS

[fair shale]

All you do is heavy attack, but its a god awful generalist

Wildly bad for hordes ime

[livid sphinx]

I mean its still good against hordes

[blazing jetty]

You can get a devil's claw at level 4

[livid sphinx]

Did you know that its light attacks stagger

even against crushers

[light crypt]

So like the hellbore's bayonet?

But better

[deft cosmos]

I asked a mauler if the light attacks stagger and he called me a slur

[light crypt]

😭

[livid sphinx]

[livid sphinx]

ngl i've never used a hellbore

[deft cosmos]

[livid sphinx]

sorry its heresy

[light crypt]

The charge up.....🤤

[livid sphinx]

Cuz I remember back in vanilla it felt so bad

[deft cosmos]

The helbore is my plan for when the Plasma Gun gets delete from the game files by an intern

[light crypt]

LOL

[austere mica]

Helbore beats plasma for dedicated sniping already

[livid sphinx]

I do wonder how bad will the vet be once either shout gets nerfed or once they rework the plasma

[deft cosmos]

If you shoot your helbore and find yourself thinkg "by the heaven my shot has been stopped by a wall/several ragers/my clown teammate" then equip the plasma gun and it will just shoot through all of that

[fair shale]

Plasma isn't even vets best gun rn

[livid sphinx]

nahh plasma is still king

[fair shale]

ES is better than VoC

[light crypt]

I usually die before that happens so I'm all set

[deft cosmos]

Chat what patch is Tongs playing on

[fair shale]

Same one as you

[hollow ibex]

plasma hasn't been the best gun for some time

[austere mica]

Melee exe is kinda really fun

Tried it today

need to take weapon spec off and full send

[hollow ibex]

ES is goated

[hollow ibex]

wait no don't do that

[deft cosmos]

Memes aside yeah Plasma's still good but not a free win now, Bolter if you can stomach the rack animation still slappeth

[deft cosmos]

gogogo

[austere mica]

I'm using agri combat

[hollow ibex]

that works well with WS

[deft cosmos]

Melee exe gets some respectable brittleness and crit, also like 260 toughness

[livid sphinx]

This is the build i'm running for my plasma vet

[deft cosmos]

Looks pretty slick

This clam yearns to click faces

[livid sphinx]

I love seeing my name on the top left

[hollow ibex]

please spare yourself. don't take onslaught.

[blazing jetty]

"Aw man, my target is surrounded by a thick horde of poxwalkers. If only there was a weapon that could punch through all of them and hit my target."
The humble Locke Mk IIb Spearhead Boltgun:

[light crypt]

Also any recommendations for talent builds? I'm just going with whatever my scatter brain thinks is "yes....this do well"

[austere mica]

I either go back to WS or lobotomize my build for MF

[hollow ibex]

basic template

[deft cosmos]

You can't spell Laughter without Onslaught(er)

[hollow ibex]

the laughter you'll hear is people laughing at you for taking onslaught

[light crypt]

Why krak?

[austere mica]

Because they're good now

[hollow ibex]

ez mode for when learning the game

you can take frags if you want too

[light crypt]

Ohh alr

[livid sphinx]

Frags are good if you're having trouble with hordes

[austere mica]

I should probably swap frags on my build

or not idk

[livid sphinx]

I choose krak because it can one shot crushers

or kill monsters quickly

[austere mica]

I choose kraks for bulwarks

[deft cosmos]

Dump a krak or two on a crusher patrol and W key

[livid sphinx]

^

[light crypt]

Tbh the main issue for me with this game is just figuring out weapon stats and how best to distribute em

[deft cosmos]

No problems here, offiver

[fair shale]

Normally you dump mobility or defense

[livid sphinx]

Dont worry about it this early

[hollow ibex]

it's usually mob or def

[fair shale]

There's a couple of weird weapons

[hollow ibex]

plenty of exceptions tho

[austere mica]

Is this swap worth it

[fair shale]

Plasma wants 69 thermal and 71 charge or something

[light crypt]

Are those the things you don't worry about or just invest heavy into?

[hollow ibex]

a dump stat is typically you want something at 60

[fair shale]

The difference between 60 and 80 mobility is normally negligible

[hollow ibex]

while everything else is at 80

[livid sphinx]

I mean if you always aim for headshots then just stay with MF

[austere mica]

No I mean dumping BiD and +25 tough

[light crypt]

Ohhhh okay

[livid sphinx]

Ohh

[austere mica]

I'm considering swapping so I can have a full exe build

But if I don't want to loose exploit weakness and agile I have to cut the +25 and BiD

[livid sphinx]

I'd choose MF personally for the toughness regen

Can't have everything

[austere mica]

and this is over having WS

[livid sphinx]

Yeah

Especially since you want to go ES

[light crypt]

Also 2 more questions from me then I'll buzz off:

1. Does it matter the starting stats on a weapon when you first purchase it?
2. Does it matter if I buy stuff from the Requestion tab rather than the Brunt's armory tab?

[austere mica]

but that 15% attack speed is kinda sexy and might matter for tac axe

[austere mica]

No

No

[livid sphinx]

1. Yes
2. No

I mean yes in terms of looking at the max potential stats

but for actually starting stats no

[light crypt]

That would be the faded in yellow right?

[livid sphinx]

Yeah

[austere mica]

Also sad I don't like Killzone because I want the -.25 stam delay if I can

[light crypt]

Ohhh okay. I appreciate the help with this

[hollow ibex]

you can path from stam regen to killzone can't you?

[austere mica]

I just said I don't like it

[hollow ibex]

MMF pathing does kinda suck

[deft cosmos]

Have you been doing any of the event missions for the free crafting mats? You get a gorillion

If not I'm down to slam a couple games

[light crypt]

I've been doing a few in between story missions

[deft cosmos]

Nice

The events always make you filthy rich

[light crypt]

How so? Is it from the stuff that get's dropped by enemies?

Honestly idk where to even check

[deft cosmos]

Hold Tab in the hub area

[hollow ibex]

you get bonus mats for completing event tiers

in addition to mission rewards

[deft cosmos]

Should give you the reward tiers

[hollow ibex]

tab and then E to cycle through if you don't see it

[light crypt]

Oh alr

[blazing jetty]

You get the rewards automatically every time you reach the next tier

[deft cosmos]

It'll give you enough mats to juice up some weapons

[light crypt]

Just need to pray at some shrines

[hollow ibex]

yeah

just pray

i promise nothing bad will happen 😄

[deft cosmos]

If you're looking for specific base stats on a weapon I just buy them from the comissary until I get the desired spread

[blazing jetty]

||The shrines spawn waves and sometimes bosses||

[deft cosmos]

Every time I pray I hear the ||corpse|| emperor whisper to me, seems fine

[light crypt]

Like truning into a stinky heretical puppet of Nurgle?

[deft cosmos]

Yeah nothing like that will happen

[light crypt]

Learned the hard way

[deft cosmos]

As long as you have time to charge the helbore, specials/bosses are fake

You've already outplayed them

[blazing jetty]

You can still progress if you skip the shrines by picking up the holy trinkets on the ground

[fair shale]

I thought the shrines always spawned a boss or two?

[light crypt]

I will ask what perks I should put on my curios.

I have these on my first one. the second one I haven't touched yet.

Blessings: 12% mas health
Perks:
10% Ordo Dockets
10% XP
5% Health

[hollow ibex]

xp is good for leveling and that's it

[deft cosmos]

Looks fine until 30

Yarp

[hollow ibex]

so good until 30

otherwise common picks are gunner resist, toughness, stam regen, and cdr

[light crypt]

With vet you wanna prioritize health since you already get a lot of toughness from the perk tree right?

[hollow ibex]

vet synergizes with toughness more

[austere mica]

No

Go all in

[hollow ibex]

though you'll still want to take some hp

[austere mica]

1 hp curio is enough

[hollow ibex]

because some enemies bypass toughness

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[austere mica]

or 3 perks

[deft cosmos]

%health gets you very little, I just do one 18% health curio and then oops all toughness

[fair shale]

Nah, you want to maximize toughness cause you get more benefit from iron will. Normally vet runs 1x 17 percent toughness, 1x 21 percent health, and 1x 3 stamina curios ime.

[hollow ibex]

i do 1 hp, 1 toughness, 1 stam

[deft cosmos]

3 stamina curio my sweet

[fair shale]

With 3x 5 percent toughness on them

[hollow ibex]

yeah 3 toughness, 2 gunner are core curio perks imo

[light crypt]

So just have a mix match of 1 from each section?

[fair shale]

uhhh

wdym by that

[deft cosmos]

I don't need 2 gunner because I just ragequit if they down me

[light crypt]

Like 1 that has a blessing for health, one for stam, and one for toughness, then just even out perks with damage resist and stuff?

[deft cosmos]

Yeah

[fair shale]

Yes

[light crypt]

All the curios on sale for me are only for health🥀

[deft cosmos]

Combat ability regen is popular

[light crypt]

makes sense for vet with the shout ability

Anddd I just upgraded the wrong thing.....

Bruh

[deft cosmos]

It's over

restart

[austere mica]

The good curio perks are Toughness, Stam regen, Gunners DR, maybe hp, maybe cdr

Maybe 1 snipers if you have 200 hp

[light crypt]

Lol

[light crypt]

Appreciate it! Time to spend the next hour getting stuff sorted

[austere mica]

Oh and revive speed

Keep forgetting thats good now

[light crypt]

How is it good now and not then?

[austere mica]

It applies to assists

Like trappers and ledges

[deft cosmos]

Oh really

Sheeesh

My friends are fairly handless, it'd save a lot of time

[light crypt]

Lol

Also when it comes to guns can I just keep my hellbore?

I have grown attached

[livid sphinx]

hey revive speed is godly too

[austere mica]

Helbore is probably the best sniper in the game

[livid sphinx]

especially in havocs

[austere mica]

For a dedicated duration sniper it is unbeatable

[deft cosmos]

Nothing claps ups a bomber in the next area code like a helbore

If a teammate is reliably melting bosses, just main helbore imo

[austere mica]

Infinite ammo, amazing breakpoints, good ADM's vs all, amazing range

[deft cosmos]

Power sword/duelling sword will shred hordes

[austere mica]

Ds does not shred hordes stop smoking

[light crypt]

Running a combo of dueling and helbore

Or power

Idk

[deft cosmos]

By shreds I mean delays so i can blame my teammates for not clearing it

[austere mica]

tac axe

[livid sphinx]

it does not shred hordes but it staggers them so they cant attack you

[deft cosmos]

Tac axe over combat you think

Combat axe pretty cool

[light crypt]

Then what is dueling good for if not dealing with hordes?

[livid sphinx]

Everything else

But dont get me wrong its not bad against hordes

[deft cosmos]

Poke through the eye slot of rager and crusher armor

[tall torrent]

duelling sword is strong single target

[austere mica]

Always

[tall torrent]

but the literal worst melee vs horde in the game

[austere mica]

Tac axe is amazing

[livid sphinx]

nah that would be the knife

[tall torrent]

hits genuinely zero stagger breakpoints on anything that matters

[deft cosmos]

Nuh uh the combat axe has a pretty cool diagonal attack

And has bromentum

[tall torrent]

knife is almost 50% better on horde lol

[austere mica]

Its got bromentum clear, a base crit mod and high finesse, great stagger, high mobility

Its so good

[hybrid flame]

Combat axe has perfect attack patterns

[austere mica]

Eh

They're annoying if you're short

[deft cosmos]

If you're short uninstall

[tall torrent]

combat axe is better than tac axe most of the time

[light crypt]

Which should I focus on upgrading since I'm going to be doing Helbore anyway? Power sword, Dueling sword, or tac axe?

[deft cosmos]

If you can't reach the top shelf don't join my team pls ty

[light crypt]

Or just combat since I've been using that a majority fo the time

[deft cosmos]

Any of those four are great up until the very very sweaty content

Just get good at melee with any of them and you're gaming

[austere mica]

They're great past that

[deft cosmos]

THey're great past havoc 40 confirmed

Go on

[tall torrent]

helbore is mainly ranged builds so prob tac axe

[light crypt]

I use it close quarters👀

[hybrid flame]

My vet is my only character of 6 that isn't min height

[light crypt]

Might just go with dueling and see how that fairs

[deft cosmos]

Send it

Pray you don't get 3x hive scum that let enemies just walk up to you

[light crypt]

Yikes....

[tall torrent]

I mean the talent tree

[light crypt]

Ohhhh mb. Finals have me being stupid

Time to scroll up to see the perks converstation

[hybrid flame]

I mean hipfire hellbore can't seem to miss headshots mid to close range

[gilded pike]

other than power sword what would you say is havoc-certified for single target?

[tall torrent]

duelling sword / knife

[deft cosmos]

Knife has basically never failed anyone

[tall torrent]

but both take away a lot of ur mixed horde clear

[gilded pike]

what build for knife?

I'm currently hoping recon lasgun brrt/shout covers my horde issues

[austere mica]

It will not

[gilded pike]

...ah

[tall torrent]

ur not playing desperado hive scum

[gilded pike]

So uh, to avoid pissed off teammates, should I completely rethink my weapons lol

[light crypt]

What kind of final perk should I go for? I chose more xp and ordo dockets because yes

[deft cosmos]

Just make the inferno psyker do it

[deft cosmos]

Toughness or stamina regen

[light crypt]

👍

[slender elm]

Does veteran have a talent node for uninterruptible heavies

[tall torrent]

technically yes

and multiple

there're like 3?

[slender elm]

Which ones?

[light crypt]

ALR! Now I need a buddy to play with. @deft cosmos Looking at you

[deft cosmos]

Lemme grab some water

I'm crusty

[light crypt]

Lol alr

[tall torrent]

get back in the fight (when ur toughness breaks)
leave no one behind (when ur teammates go down and is within ur view)
executioner's stance (when it's active)

[light crypt]

I gotta go do smth anyway

[slender elm]

Ah... I take none of those

Welp

[tall torrent]

only one worth is exe stance

[slender elm]

Yeah but im running toughness buff

[tall torrent]

it's ur choice

[slender elm]

Ye

So it's kinda whatever

I'm still exploring all the weapons

Though my most recent discovery is that you dont take weakspot kills on recon las

It's a lot of spread

[tall torrent]

I could join, what region are u in

[light crypt]

NA

Very

Very

Laggy NA

[tall torrent]

ur in EU?

[light crypt]

At this point I might as well be

[tall torrent]

ok I'll quit and join

wats ur FS friend code

[livid sphinx]

Damn it I just played hellbore just because we talked about it here and it still doesn't feel good

[deft cosmos]

Tragically, it appears you are not born with helbore in your DNA, clam

[light crypt]

It's heavenly. I like guns that go pew pew pew as much as the next gal but I like more oomphf

[tall torrent]

or steam code, whichever

[deft cosmos]

I'm back and I'm raring to smooch heretics send me the code

[light crypt]

Lemme checkkkkkk

[livid sphinx]

Feels bad because I love Kriegs but oh well

[light crypt]

Idk how to check lol

First time playing with anyone that wasn't random

[tall torrent]

menu - social - find players (bottom right) - click number - paste here

[light crypt]

9921864734

Heyyyy

There we go

[tall torrent]

do u need penances done

like On Overwatch

[light crypt]

Prob

[tall torrent]

I can do it rly fast for u if u want

[light crypt]

Sure! I just wanna level up and get dockets

[tall torrent]

well the catch is that ur just gonna spectate for like 15 mins

but it'll be quick

[light crypt]

Fine by me lmao. Is Skagasaurus joining in?

[tall torrent]

idk

ask him

[deft cosmos]

The chat keeps moving and I can't copy the text because I'm STUPID I think

[tall torrent]

basically u jump off the map at start and I speedrun the lvl

[light crypt]

Not a problem

[light crypt]

Wait am I in charge of the squad? Bc if so that's a problem

Oh nvm

lol

[tall torrent]

anyone in party can queue missions up

[light crypt]

Learn smth new everyday

[deft cosmos]

ope and we crash

later I guess

[light crypt]

RIP

[tall torrent]

Vet default build template

[light crypt]

I got 20 talent points taht are usable

[tall torrent]

ik

[light crypt]

Lemme readjust

[tall torrent]

start with this

[light crypt]

Done and well, I have 1 point left over

Nvm

[tall torrent]

u said u hav 20 pts

[light crypt]

Just missed one

All good

[tall torrent]

I'm getting off now

[light crypt]

Alr, thx for playing and thank you for the build

[tall torrent]

if ur very new to the game I highly recommend getting creature spawner to practice melee

[narrow frost]

with artificial lag

[swift rock]

It's too bad that For the Drip isn't shared between mod users, but maybe someday I will not need it to look this good.

[fair shale]

Your helmet is clipping

So is your shoulder

And the belt

[swift rock]

All of which are so minor that I doubt anyone would notice them mid-match. Maybe the belt, but that's about all.

[swift rock]

Not 100% certain the belt is clipping, the front might actually be obscured by the left arm.

[light crypt]

Which blessings are best for the duelling sword?

[unreal nova]

Uncanny and whatever.

Ppl usually say riposte. I use agile to braindead harder and no think.

[light crypt]

Alr thx!

[unreal nova]

There might be one more choice, but I just woke up and can't be sure.

[tall torrent]

there are much worse cosmetic issues than clipping in this game unfortunately

[fair shale]

Like the fact I have to deal with krieg larpers.

[unreal nova]

Thrust if you play VT2. Very funni to hit muties with it.

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure that's just ppl. No need Krieg.

[light crypt]

Gotcha!

[azure narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-bestie-miku-plush-wave-gif-25335813

[austere mica]

Krieg larpers on their way yo be true to their regiment of choice and fold over and die the second things go wrong (or 5 minutes before that)

[azure narwhal]

Thrust is probably the only thing that makes DS engaging for me

I feel like

I'm timing my rapier chargeup stages with saltzpyre again

Like those crazy ass players that hold it juuust right when they see the rapier draw back slightly

[azure narwhal]

Do not worry, the artillery i threw on top of myself will take care of it

[austere mica]

Take care of what

The 3 poxwalkers 100 feet behind the team

[azure narwhal]

Darktide hath shafted your expectations!

You're playing a game where ogryns understand jokes and philosophy

[livid sphinx]

Yo infantry lasgun is way more fun than what I remembered it back in vanilla

[austere mica]

They do that elsewhere

[livid sphinx]

Like its essentially unlimited ammo like plasma

[austere mica]

Inflas just feels bad

[azure narwhal]

[austere mica]

And isn't good enough to justify using despite that

[unreal nova]

Is a choice. Uncanny is the most important anyway.

[azure narwhal]

Inf las is somewhat tolerable with MMF considering your aim

[azure narwhal]

Yeys

[livid sphinx]

I mean even with bad aim you will eventually get headshots with it because of the holy amount of ammo you have

[azure narwhal]

Rando question

What yall slide with

Keybind

[austere mica]

C

[livid sphinx]

ctrl

[azure narwhal]

Fair actually

Ive kept

Blitz C slide Mouse4

[fair shale]

I have dodge on space and jump on alt tbh

[livid sphinx]

so that while pressing shift I could just press it with my palm

[austere mica]

Both of you should be shot

[azure narwhal]

Say what you want, i can slide without taking my finger off of anything, ever

[narrow frost]

spacebar

[azure narwhal]

[azure narwhal]

I feel like that's almost the first thing everyone should do in DT + VT tbh

[fair shale]

its the second after jacking your fov to max

[azure narwhal]

I remember when i first got VT years back

Literally the first thing i got told was

Keep your dodge on space and only for that

[fair shale]

Yeah like

How often do you really need to jump

[unreal nova]

Left back button and B.

[livid sphinx]

Bruh my brain is hardwired to press tab whenever I press alt

[azure narwhal]

And fov on vermintide no more than 95 because they do not know how to do fov and it will fuck with range perception

[azure narwhal]

I will keep this in mind when i use my controller to play devil may cry

[austere mica]

I'd be on 135 if I could

[azure narwhal]

Okay tho but the fact its actually noticeable

Stormvermin glaives look MUCH further than they really are on max fov

Because they haven't implemented it well

[unreal nova]

What? I play on controller. It is dire when you see 3 PC players dead first.

[azure narwhal]

Choosing to play tide games on controller is something only you can do, but that's good because it makes you unique

[unreal nova]

I tried playing DOTA 2 on controller once even. Yeah, that one's a no.

[azure narwhal]

Ok

Not that though for the love of god

Out of all the games

You chose one of the most input heavy MOBAs

And went

"Controller 👍 "

[unreal nova]

But is just, used to controller on L4D2.

[unreal nova]

One button king.

[azure narwhal]

Lol jokes aside i get it

I played console for the longest time

I miss ps exclusives like

Bloodborne is gone

But eh

[unreal nova]

Technically...

[azure narwhal]

I do love my steam

Well yeah

Emulation is getting real good

[unreal nova]

Coughs.

[azure narwhal]

ShadPS4 is putting in that work

Though i still am like

Very stingy about stuff i like

So i want to wait for it to truly be a stable experience of the original

Because needing mods to run the game stable when its so ancient and i have an overclocked 3070 is quite funni

[unreal nova]

And then PC port is a buggy mess.

[azure narwhal]

Like always lol

Even ghost of tsushima

One of the best ports imo

Has its fault

Being memory leak

[unreal nova]

This is just DT.

[azure narwhal]

Gotta restart every 2 hours

[unreal nova]

Like, it somehow has worse performance than higher settings Cyberpunk.

[azure narwhal]

Lmao
3 mods i never take off
Guarantee ability, weapon swap, weapon special. In vermintide, things happen when i press the button, here i have to do it 200 times

Buti feel like its gotten worse performance wise

Idk y

This update so

[unreal nova]

It has.

[azure narwhal]

Jittery

[unreal nova]

I went from low med to .ini edited below low.

Still lost 25~ fps.

Playing at 35 FPS avg is like...

[azure narwhal]

Oof

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure I should be able to get a stable 60 at least in most games on med high.

DT? Nope.

[burnt pelican]

Dt optimization is non existent

[unreal nova]

Enjoy your cinematic 24 fps.

[burnt pelican]

Also memory leaks happen way too often

[fair shale]

DT either runs buttery smooth at max settings or it plays like absolute trash for me and sometimes the difference is restarting the game

[burnt pelican]

After patch

Ive noticed dogs charge at you during sprint a shit ton this patch

[fair shale]

same

like no bark jumping mid sprint

[burnt pelican]

Yeap

[unreal nova]

Just FS things. I just spam push. I miss my 11 stam.

Just gotta spam and hope you push.

[burnt pelican]

Pox bursters are currently most dangerous enemy ingame

Idk if they fixed their range yet

[unreal nova]

Kinda but no.

[burnt pelican]

I always crounch slide back with high mobility weapons xD

[unreal nova]

They now randomly don't ignite.

[burnt pelican]

Oh yeah ive seen that more often too

First pushes sometimes dont work

[unreal nova]

Still impossible to push in certain situations.

[burnt pelican]

I just push 3 times always

Which is crazy

[unreal nova]

Only?

16 pushes, all failed.

[burnt pelican]

Game is in a concerning state rn xD

[fair shale]

Ive had a lot of bursters not explode after they get pushed like 3 times tbh

[burnt pelican]

Pox also ignoring my voc at times

Not giving a fuck

They just dont give consent

[unreal nova]

More, they don't care when you say NO.

[burnt pelican]

That was there from before tbh but i see it more often now

Lastly havoc special spawns rn are broken i think

Everyone on 40s agreed they seemed overtuned

Like bro 10+ specials waves

I had exec stance and it looked so stupid

[unreal nova]

I saw 3 trappers at once on malice, so you tell me.

Think winding down to zzz, goes to malice. 3 trappers constantly.

Trauma arises.

[fair shale]

The director loves to spam lately ime

Its not sending out mixed specialistsb

Its "oh one bomber didn't work? Two more"

[unreal nova]

Is mixed, just... 3+ of every one of them.

3+ dogs, 3+ muties.

Like, this is malice, not auric, what even?

And is like the min is 2 at once.

But a third is always ready to pop out on a dime.

[livid sphinx]

pox are fixed now right?

Cuz they dont feel like bs anymore since the patch

[sharp epoch]

Explosion radius yeah, but I think there's something different about pushing them now, sometimes it doesn't work

[uneven kelp]

I notice that if you push them before they start their audio cue indicating they wanna blow up they just consider your push as a minor setback, stand up again and then start the jump like nothing happenned

To be sure I have to get my gun after the push and finish them off

[open ravine]

I wish we had 3 more of these

I want to make an infinity gauntlet meme

Also why didn't they give us this master piece

[agile mortar]

what's the use of the Sapper Shovel stab? Not the one where you flip it, the one mark where it doesn't do that
what's it good for
it's slow and deals less damage than a light attack

useless

[open ravine]

I think it's for the stagger

[agile mortar]

Heavy attacks do that way better

I think it's just useless

[open ravine]

Some weapons just got a useless alt

Like gun bashing is useless on the autoguns

[unreal nova]

It's also faster, might be good to bully rager.

[azure narwhal]

Quite the opposite, it has enough stagger to knockback crushers on weakspot hit. This is useful not only to provide an opening but it also procs skullcrusher which allows you to instantly buff your most damaging move on the sapper shovel, your push attack. Weakspot stab -> PA

[night marten]

Bruh they need to just add the balaclava on it's own as a cosmetic.

[frank basin]

Balaclava beloved

[dapper coyote]

Stagger anything that can be stagger

Including bosses weak points

It's entirely possible to bully twins with Voc combined

God i love spamming the stabbing actions on the captains and beasts

[heavy rover]

wait sapper shovel can stagger captains and bosses? dear god I've been sleeping on it

[dapper coyote]

I can't confirm on the rest but I've been stabbing captains (unshielded) at the head and the weak spot of beasts in mortis trials for awhile now

[tropic warren]

I love the shovel it’s absolutely beautiful

With all the nodes that buff your melee capabilities it feels like your a lawnmower

And with bolt pistol to boost your shredder frags you liquify hordes

[hot whale]

Fellas is the infantry autogun still good?

[unreal nova]

Vraks, yes.

[azure narwhal]

Yeah as karien said just get vraks and slap marksman focus with exe stance

[heavy rover]

Time to get the dust off my sapper shovel then

[hasty grove]

I saw a Veteran wearing a commissar outfit can anyone help me track down what clothes they were?

[fading yarrow]

Commissar boots
Yarrick boltpistol
Power Sword with officer's brocade
Dom's grenade build

Oh yeah. It's Golden fraggin' Throne time

[fading yarrow]

Did he look like this perchance

[hasty grove]

Yes

[fading yarrow]

That might have been me lol. Stygian Commissar's cap, Gregor Eisenhorn cost from the Inquisition Acolyte rotation, boots from this rotation ofc

[hasty grove]

Here she was

Absolute bad bitch

[fading yarrow]

Ahh

[hasty grove]

Also whats in the veteran shop now?

[fading yarrow]

Her boots are also from the Acolyte rotation but you can get her hat from the current Commissar bundle

[hasty grove]

Theres a current commissar outfit?!!

[mystic pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/bA5yHz8V1u

Pictures of content in the shop

[fading yarrow]

It was last in the shop 2 years ago lol

I love rotation systems

[hasty grove]

Welp

Time to ask my boyfriend 🥀

[fading yarrow]

If you're short on Aquilas there's currently a one-time offer of 4k for five bucks, if you haven't nabbed that yet

[mystic pilot]

That got refreshed?

[fading yarrow]

Also also. Commissar Yarrick's bolt pistol is in the Zealot tab

[fading yarrow]

"If you haven't nabbed that yet," I mentioned. It sticks around until you buy it

[mystic pilot]

I nabbed it lol and got my veteran DKoK outfit before this rotation and the vox caster backpack

[fading yarrow]

I got the grey Krieg coat with it, too, plus the Commissar boots and bolt pistol

Hopefully got enough leftover for the Krieg Commissar hat when that rolls around

[hasty grove]

I have a BP skin I really like already

[fading yarrow]

Dang that's a good one too

[mystic pilot]

Seem the rotation theme is Yarrick and Armageddon Steel Legion

[fading yarrow]

Indeed

The greenskin finger trinket is metal

[mystic pilot]

Any pieces from the new rotation that can be added to a DKoK outfit?

[mystic pilot]

The commissar boots was from the last rotation?

[fading yarrow]

Nah, I mean I used some of the 4k Aquila offer for the Krieg coat, then used more of it for the boots and skin

[fading yarrow]

And not really, imo

Maybe the Commissar boots ig

[mystic pilot]

Wait the boots and skin from this rotation?

Ah yeah

[fading yarrow]

Indeed.

[mystic pilot]

Gotcha

The skin is the same one that the boots are from?

[empty moth]

yo is the plas gun still causing frame stuttering? I wanna use it

[fading yarrow]

I believe the pistol is from Armageddon rotations in general and not necessarily contemporary to the Commissar Gregoris bundle, but I could be wrong

[fading yarrow]

I think it's been fixed

The failure to explode on overheat has been fixed, at least

[mystic pilot]

Oh the Yarrick boltgun skin!

My bad for not realizing it

[gilded pike]

can someone link an example of "shout veteran with mark, plasma gun, dueling sword and kraks."

[maiden vector]

Damn.. I want this shit

I would have more reasons to scream CADIA STANDS and TRAITOR

[hasty grove]

Gonna try to make a commissar build

Bistol. power falchion, VoC, gajillion coherency buffs

[maiden vector]

Why not just PS

It's also better, tho

[autumn sorrel]

Do shredder frags and Puncture from the bolt pistol stack?

[maiden vector]

Playing from bleeds on vet not best idea

Imo, vet plays more from crits

[autumn sorrel]

Ah cool

[maiden vector]

Frag is cool for horde

Bc they just bleed out

[gilded pike]

not dueling sword?

[maiden vector]

But in other cases, meh

[gilded pike]

Dueling Sword vibes def seem very commissar

[maiden vector]

Isn't it even shittier that PF?

[hasty grove]

Dueling sword is for pussies

[maiden vector]

Also, ye, DS is definitely commissar vibe

[gilded pike]

first I've heard of this, is this true?

[maiden vector]

As I know, DS just bad

[hasty grove]

Alot of art depicts them with power falcions or power swords

[maiden vector]

Like, compared to PS

[fair shale]

Its very good at very specific things

Single target damage and mobility

Power Sword is simply broken

[ivory crater]

DS is good for movement

[gilded pike]

So uh if I'm trying to get into Havocs for the first time and wanna stack the deck, should I just embrace the power sword chargeup spam

[fair shale]

I mean

[gilded pike]

already a bit resigned to using bolter/plasma gun lol

[hasty grove]

How can I amass large amounts of diamantine?

[fair shale]

It depends on you tbh

You can use whatever you want

[maiden vector]

I wish flaslights have more love for them

[fair shale]

But you gotta be good enough to use it ime

[maiden vector]

Play gold or damnation

NOT operations

Just regular missions

[gilded pike]

I can also wipe whenever I want, atp I'm just looking for reliable cheese as training wheels 😂

[fair shale]

I don't think vet is reliable cheese tbh

[gilded pike]

ooof

[fair shale]

Vet is strong but they require input most of the time

[hasty grove]

Wait

[gilded pike]

wait so what class would be

[hasty grove]

I can make a Krieger commissar

[fair shale]

Even power sword, for as busted as it is, requires a hit of a mentality tweak

[ivory crater]

Psyker

[maiden vector]

We have Krieg soldier and officer

[fair shale]

Arb and Ogryn are the most training wheels classes in the game

Psyker is the strongest

[gilded pike]

lemme rephrase: I don't wanna be braindead but I'm looking for something, ideally vet, that can help ease me into this

[hasty grove]

My group and I always match

[fair shale]

What havoc tier are you at?

[ivory crater]

Good ole shield bubble and voidblast spam

[gilded pike]

did an auric to start at 16

[fair shale]

What do you want to use specifically

[hasty grove]

And when we do Krieg I wear the one with the special faceplate since I’m the leader. Now I can be a Krieger officer

[fair shale]

Cause ime havoc 16 ain't too bad

[quick shell]

Hav16 is much easier than auric mael

[gilded pike]

I'm fond of the recon lasgun and krak but am willing to ditch anything to optimize

[quick shell]

Hav16 feels like heresy with a couple of modifiers

[maiden vector]

Nah, there when Krieg added first time, were helmet

[fair shale]

Yeah

[maiden vector]

For 1,200 more money

I.e. default kit is soldier and default + helmet is officer

Bc helmet IS officer Krieg

[fair shale]

You familiar with the good recon set up?

[gilded pike]

honestly I'd appreciate a straight up link to it

[fair shale]

Give me like 5 minutes and I'll go find mine

[gilded pike]

Appreciated

[fair shale]

The gun

Anyway

[gilded pike]

party like it's the months of shame

[quick shell]

How good is db vet for havoc

I’m a little curious actually

[fair shale]

DB is possibly the single strongest gun on vet rn

[quick shell]

Oh neat

It does feel good

[maiden vector]

That's not Krieg

[fair shale]

If you're good that shit will hit Purge Psyker numbers

[quick shell]

What primary is it often run with, I’ve been running chaxe to solid success

[fair shale]

Shovel is normal ime

[quick shell]

Also is this shout or exe

I’m assuming exe

[fair shale]

I think Cole uses shout

[quick shell]

Oh awesome

[fair shale]

iirc you want to actually dump collat instead of mobi

[gilded pike]

recon lasgun for bosses instead of hordes?

[fair shale]

And you take dum dum, not head hunter

[fair shale]

Melts em with infernus stacks

Especially on lower havocs

[gilded pike]

So uh, what grenade and melee pairs with this?

[fair shale]

Kraks delete bulwarks and crushers so you don't have to shoot them

[gilded pike]

mmm

Would that lock me into anti-crowd melee?

[fair shale]

Well

You can take PS and have an anti everything melee

I thought my recon was better so I'm gonna respecify collat dump and dum dum instead of headhunter

So if someone pings me with an uhm actually later I can legally kill them

[gilded pike]

def mk 12 recon ye

?

also what would you say are good alternatives to power sword for tryharding/Havoc non-throwing

[fair shale]

Iirc the 12 is the most ammo effecient with the fastest fire rate so it stacks infernus better

[fair shale]

Depends on how good you are, I like Tac Axe

Shovel is comfortable

Hard to go wrong with shovel

[quick shell]

Uhm you should be dumping collat not mobi and you should swap blessings too

[fair shale]

Hey, what's red and bad for your teeth

[inner iris]

You mostly want the fastest firing one just for running internus or onslaught

[fair shale]

Onslaught is Not Good™

[quick shell]

Red gummybears?

[fair shale]

Because you should not be shooting crushers with most things

[fair shale]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[quick shell]

LOL

[gilded pike]

Hm so spelling out: what perks/blessings would you advise for PS? paired with recon

[inner iris]

Onslaught isn't bad, it's just not necessary

[gilded pike]

and thoughts on curios?

[quick shell]

Power sword is probably cara u yielding

And its power cycler and sunder

[fair shale]

17 percent toughness, 21 percent health, 410+ rated +3 stamina

Then I personally run 3 toughness, 3 revive speed, 3 gunner resist

[fair shale]

Afaik this is as optimal as you're gonna make a powersword

[hollow aspen]

What's the best melee to go with Plasma Gun?

... I really like the Plasma Gun lmao

[quick shell]

Plasma sword

[tame lodge]

Power Sword
Axe
Tactical Axe

[quick shell]

Answer to basically every question of ‘what’s best melee for vet’ is almost ALWAYS psword

[hollow aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-kuzco-got-it-understood-gotcha-gif-7586014263438727839

[fading yarrow]

Dueling Sword

[fair shale]

No.

[hasty grove]

I know

Just showing us matching

[fading yarrow]

Funnily, one of them has the Krieg entrenching tool skin and another has the Krieg cavalry saber skin

[hasty grove]

The plan was originally to be Krieg

For No Man’s Land

But not all of us had Krieg so we switched to Steel Legion

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion > DKOK

🚬

[still dove]

can i replace DS with taxe or power sword on a plasma weapons specialist build

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[still dove]

bet because DS is boring me

[azure narwhal]

No horseback cavalry?

[azure narwhal]

100%

Taxe is the true darktide experience

Play fotf martyr taxe zealot and let's see how strong those hands are

[true jackal]

rampage hive scum can crank attack speed higher I believe

[azure narwhal]

I don't know about em so

I only play vet psyker n zealot nowadays

[fair shale]

I play Taxe rampage scum semi often

Is fun

[azure zephyr]

Haven't tried the Power Falchion, how good is it compared to the Power Sword?

[faint beacon]

Don’t need it when your regiment mass produces the mobile clown cars that are Chimeras

[fair shale]

It isn't

Most things are not good compared to PS tho

[azure zephyr]

Ahh.

[azure narwhal]

Let me cope with what medieval elements in 40k i can find! How else can i enjoy things

[azure narwhal]

Compared to power sword it's dog, by itself it's mid

But yeah power sword is king

[faint beacon]

Summary of steel legion being a chimera pulls up to you, suddenly 20 men in yellow flood out and start beating you to death

Then they all climb back in

[hollow ibex]

Mid even when compared to other weapons

[faint beacon]

And move to the next person

LMAO

[hollow ibex]

It has a niche

[azure narwhal]

Lolol

[hollow ibex]

But it’s just whatever

[azure narwhal]

I stuck to krieg from a style standpoint more than anything really

[sharp epoch]

20 morrows

[azure narwhal]

Then i read about their story of paying penance

Pretty cool, since i play dark angels.

Dow4 intensifies

Only if primaris didn't suck balls

[faint beacon]

Well I mean their tactics are completely polar opposites

[azure narwhal]

Of course

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion is 40Ks Blitzkrieg

DKOK is raw attrition

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

Iron warriors-esque in a way

Anyhow. I hope the total war game turns out well really

For me its bleak because i just cant seem to enjoy most present 40k stuff

But its whatever, still new thing to play with

[faint beacon]

Look I’m just hoping even if it requires mods I can have my IG be the Steel Legion

[azure narwhal]

Lmao fair

You will tho

1000%

Through mods especially

[swift rock]

Dkok is WWI inspired, Steel Legion is WWII Soviet inspired.

[faint beacon]

SL is more Fallschirmjäger inspired I’d say with how some of their camo patterns are

[swift rock]

Maybe a mix of both.

[faint beacon]

But yeah generally they’re WW2 tactics

WW1 is Krieg

[narrow torrent]

The devs have been pretty open about being able to truly customize your armies so it’s entirely possible

[dapper bison]

I have 2 questions, whats the best mark for the power falchion and whats the best way to use the plasma gun?

[tame lodge]

Plasma gun never charge

Just M1 spam

[hollow ibex]

Mk1 is the least shit falch

[dapper bison]

Y the wording like that?

[tame lodge]

Least shit?

Because Falchion bad

[dapper bison]

Wat melee you recommend?

[hasty grove]

Whatever you like to use

[tame lodge]

Whatever damage and stagger
Dogshit blessings pool

[deft cosmos]

Whatever stimulates brain activity for you

[dapper bison]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[hasty grove]

Must be fun at parties

[deft cosmos]

Power sword/dueling sword/combat axe

[dapper bison]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[azure zephyr]

Even to the sapper shovel?

I like that weapon and all, but it's primary heavy just sucks for dealing with crowds

[hollow ibex]

Shovel is probably stronger

[dapper bison]

Why is the dueling sword so powerful, do i not understand something?

[hollow ibex]

Don’t need a brain for it mostly

[deft cosmos]

It handles hordes decently and has insane single target

Also good dodge count iirc

[hollow ibex]

The horde clear is ass

It’s mostly good mobility and single target

And a bot could play it

[deft cosmos]

Mobility and ease of play != handles hordes decently

Very informative

[dapper bison]

Whats the beat melee for hordes, can decently kill elites

[hollow ibex]

You handle by dodging until your anemic horde clear whittles them down

[hollow ibex]

Power sword or Rashad

[deft cosmos]

Power sword or combat axe

[tame lodge]

While the horde clearing isn't that good
It does have the ability to 1 shot the first poxxer on light attacks
While also having 4.5 cleave

[dapper bison]

Rashad?

[hollow ibex]

Caxe

[true jackal]

a particular variant of combat axe

[azure zephyr]

Damn lmao

[true jackal]

generally has the best swing angles and doesn't have a useless stat iirc

[dapper bison]

So which one is better for general use or are they on par with each other

[deft cosmos]

On par

Just don't be terrible

[true jackal]

the achlys has a janky moveset iirc and the antax has cleave targets which is useless with brutal mometum(which is what makes combat axes viable)

[dapper bison]

Iirc?

[deft cosmos]

If I Recall Correctly

Rashad is the sauce yeah

[dapper bison]

Rashad is the combat axe correct?

If so what mark?

[true jackal]

rashad is the mark

[deft cosmos]

That's the mark

[dapper bison]

Oh its one of those

[deft cosmos]

Aye

[tame lodge]

Rashad Mk2 iirc

Or was it mk3

[deft cosmos]

It's the one that says Rashad

I should eventually get 80% damage but this setup feels smooth in Auric

[dapper bison]

Dump stat for the plasma?

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[deft cosmos]

Based name

[dapper bison]

But i have a 69 charge and 71 thermal plasma

[deft cosmos]

Still very good

It'll work forever

[dapper bison]

Wdym?

[swift rock]

Played my Helbore Crit build. It's okay, but I think I aught to give recon lasgun a try.

[deft cosmos]

69 charge 71 thermal is effectively perfect, just get good blessings and traits

[swift rock]

Also, might switch from marksman to stealth for my ability.

[deft cosmos]

I've seen infiltrate be a great clutch tool

[azure narwhal]

Infiltrate is fun and has its uses but is definitely the worst of the three

[deft cosmos]

Executioner Stance seems too good to pass up for helbore though

[azure narwhal]

Exec stance is insane rn overall

[deft cosmos]

VoC is so broadly strong that I default to it

[azure narwhal]

Voc is nice too

[deft cosmos]

Executioner is definitely the sauce if I'm leaning forward in my chair

[hollow ibex]

ES = VOC >>>>>>>>>> cuckfil

[quick shell]

I prefer voc

[deft cosmos]

Misread cuckfil and chickfila

[swift rock]

I hardly ever pop it tbh, but I also play mostly on Heresy or Malice depending on if I'm chilling or if I'm leveling up a weapon.

[quick shell]

Es feels powerful even if you only get a couple of resets

Tbh

I still kinda prefer voice?

[dapper bison]

Weapon specialist or focus target?

[swift rock]

Cooldown isn't even a problem on my build, it's moreso that I rarely bother to use it. Hellbore requires too much concentration to use with it effectively.

[swift rock]

I use Marksman Discipline.

[quick shell]

I don’t like helbore tbh

[quick shell]

What weapons

[prime wyvern]

do you wanna nuke bosses or play hybrid combat more

[dapper bison]

Plasma and combat axe

[tame lodge]

It's ok
Helby is a love it or hate it type of weapon

And we all just agree on it

[dapper bison]

Hybrid

[tame lodge]

We agree? Right?

[prime wyvern]

weapon specialist for you then

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

WS is THE hybrid keystone

[quick shell]

Ws

[swift rock]

It's a good weapon, but it kinda requires a low-threat build since vet doesnt have all that good of a waveclear.

[tall torrent]

WS

[dapper bison]

Anyone has a WS build?

[tall torrent]

no, u just have to use melee weapons for it

[fair shale]

WS one of the most just works keystones in DT tbh

Don't have to do anything funny

[fair shale]

Just play right

[tall torrent]

this is as basic as it gets

take trench fighter for combat axe

[swift rock]

Half the time I just use the bayonet.

[quick shell]

It feels soooo good with db ngl. Literally plays itself. Nothing like going swing>shot>swing>shot repeatedly

[tall torrent]

yea it's not good at horde

use an actual melee weapon

[quick shell]

Is the bayonet still any good

[prime wyvern]

at striking fear into the hearts of your enemies? yes

[swift rock]

Not a problem if the horde isn't specifically after me.

Tbh I am gonna test a combo of weakspot stagger and weakspot cleave.

[tall torrent]

not great

it's only decent single target

[swift rock]

It can actually hit multiple enemies in front of you, so it's not completely useless. It also has great weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

but not enough to match actual single target dps melee weapons

[swift rock]

Caxe is still better, but bayonet is okay in a pinch.

[deft cosmos]

An axe is better than a bayonet? By the gods

[dapper bison]

For the Rashah, is there any knowledge of the weapon i should know like a interaction i should need to know

[deft cosmos]

Is the Helby a one shot weapon or do you just click heads repeatedly

[deft cosmos]

Nah it's fairly shrimple, good attack chains and the heavies kill carapace acceptably

[dapper bison]

Alright

[swift rock]

Depends on the target and perks. I use crits so that I never need ammo pickups

[hard prairie]

Guys is power sword worth using on vet ?

[deft cosmos]

Yes it's top tier

[hard prairie]

what perks and blessings do you recommend

[prime wyvern]

power cycler

[swift rock]

Power sword is good on all classes that have it. Not always meta, but always reliable.

[tall torrent]

(there's only 1 class that can use power sword)

[hard prairie]

Nice imma start levelling power sword thing ty guys

[tame lodge]

It's a 1 shot weapon that you will be shooting heads constantly

[prime wyvern]

dont bother swinging it without charging its special attack

unless you need to stagger something to not die immediately

[swift rock]

If you build for crit chance, weakspot damage, and crit damage, it can one-shot or two-shot headshot a wide range of enemies when charged up.

[hard prairie]

What blessing should I use though?

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler + Sunder/Brutal Momentum

[deft cosmos]

Sunder

Is so nasty

[quick shell]

Heavy attack does less damage to maniac than light, push attack can stagger ragers out of their attack chains in auric, idk about havoc

[tall torrent]

heavy atk doesn't do less maniac dmg than light atks

this got patched like a year ago

[dapper bison]

I have 2 talent points unsure where to put them

[quick shell]

Wait really?

That was always funny to me

Mfw I oneshot a mutant with a light and do 25% with a heavy

[tall torrent]

u can check it in less than 30s

[quick shell]

I mean yeah I can

[dapper bison]

@tall torrent i have 2 talent points, you have any suggestions

[tall torrent]

wat's ur tree

[dapper bison]

From the pic, i have the WS with always prep, shout with the gold toughness and then the trench training

[tall torrent]

25 toughness (bottom right)
agile engagement

[dapper bison]

Ty

(I assume attack speed affects charge rate)

[tall torrent]

no

[dapper bison]

Really?!

[tall torrent]

yea they're 2 separate things

for plasma, build this

[dapper bison]

Man isnt this game's just so intuitive

[dapper bison]

Ty

Ig the only thing left is curios

[quick shell]

I mean that makes sense to me

I’d assume attack speed effects fire rate but not charge rate

[tame lodge]

And yet Fatshark doesn't tell you 75% of the things

Truly a big fish moment

[deft cosmos]

Does +carapace damage not affect any Plasma breakpoints?

[narrow frost]

not worthwhile to shoot carapace

[deft cosmos]

Fair

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's just about it

[dapper bison]

what curios?

[deft cosmos]

I always forget they doubled crusher hp

[tame lodge]

On maulers/plasma gunner you go for body

On scab rager you go for headshots

And shooting crushers is just waste of ammo

[woeful field]

I like shooting armor :]

'S fun

With plasma

[azure narwhal]

Long as its not carapace

Though the funniest thing to see is the textbook new vet player wanting to shoot EVERYTHING with recon las

Muh onslaught

[quick shell]

I mean u can kinda do that because of shock trooper no?

[azure narwhal]

YOU WILL MELEE CARAPACE AND YOU WILL ENJOY IT

Its shit dps

Its like

[quick shell]

Yeah true

[azure narwhal]

You dont build a cake to be a sausage

Cake is good at being a cake

[sharp epoch]

hive scum but worse

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[crimson wyvern]

wow

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent I just wanna ask. Would you use Vraks on Ganger over the dual autos? Just a curiosity.

[tall torrent]

which vraks

[mighty monolith]

What's the best build for a lasgun, voice of command vet?

[mystic pilot]

chimeras for days

[hollow ibex]

Exec stance

[mystic pilot]

Every single squad in the Steel Legion have their own chimera

[mighty monolith]

huh?

[quick shell]

executioners stance

[hollow ibex]

Oh thought you were asking what the best ult is for Ilas

Nvm

[quick shell]

oh yeah

LMAO

[hollow ibex]

I would just recommend against Ilas generally tbh

Esp if you want VOC

[azure narwhal]

horses>cars

or at that

any vehichle

that's better

[faint flume]

I prefer a baneblade over a horse

[mystic pilot]

Death Riders are cool. But as an infantry squad you want to be in Steel Legion. Then you get a chimera of your own that protect you inside while getting to your destination and then give you fire support as you disembark and engage the objective

[unreal nova]

Infantry. What else really? XD

[azure narwhal]

okay but i'm literally cosplaying as a demented bret knight on top of a horse with a spear

who charges futuristic weaponry

with a spear

[tall torrent]

yea it's the best gun for hvs

[unreal nova]

Ah. Was mostly curious. Trying to figure out a ranged build and trying to decide on a gun. XD

[narrow torrent]

Graia braced and bolt pistol are also fun options

[mystic pilot]

with an explosive warhead

[stuck geyser]

anyone got some protips on playing vet in havoc? like what my role is and how to play it

using plasma gun and power sword

[tall torrent]

kill elite mixed hordes & snipe specialists

[unreal nova]

I know bistol, bigger boom? heh.