veteran-class

[tall torrent]

5 points available

[cyan verge]

oh true

[tall torrent]

Cuz ES / VoC both take 2

And more realistically

Ur prob gonna take trench fighter outside tac axe for ranged builds

And u prob also want agile engagement

Plus 1 point into keystone

[cyan verge]

yeah both those are peak

[tall torrent]

The actual flexible choice isn’t there

It’s illusion of choice

[cyan verge]

that is a shame

I understand kinda what you meant then by, it could be better

is it also weird we get 'catch a breath' for a guaranteed node instead of just giving iron will or a toughness boost or something

also, what's the deal with kraks, did they get a big buff?

[tall torrent]

It is much better than before tho

Miles better

[cyan verge]

may I also ask for an arbites tree if you got something laying around

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1445630596066967612/Screenshot_2025-12-02_231943.png?ex=693f8c68&is=693e3ae8&hm=c46573c7b21ef27892546b416738f8b485362adfab8c8cb3e78325f765fa5b01&

[cyan verge]

thanks

[nova surge]

any recommendations for a gun to pair with caxe ws?

[austere mica]

Do you want to only snipe with your gun or also clear with it

[nova surge]

axe can probably clear most things that arent elites or specialists right?

[austere mica]

It can clear everything

But do you want to clear even faster

Or just snipe

[nova surge]

snipe probably

[slender elm]

does veteran have a horde clear option for ranged

[austere mica]

Then revolver, bolt pistol, or plasma work

[nova surge]

recon las right?

[austere mica]

Agri brauto (kinda), and double barrel (can beat a purgatus)

[slender elm]

i dont know

what's a purgatus

[austere mica]

Flame staff

[slender elm]

uh huh

braced autos are all full auto ye?

[nova surge]

yeah but they also dont scope in

[austere mica]

Yeah but they're kinda mid

If you want ranged clear on vet you run dbarrel weapon spec and demolish everything

[slender elm]

i kinda want a burst fire specialist killer but again idk what im looking for...

[nova surge]

one of the burst headhunters is good iirc

dont remember which though

[slender elm]

maybe i should try one of the bolt guns

idk how to work with the clunk tho

[nova surge]

ok its not the plasma atm holy the lag is crazy

[slender elm]

yeah, immediate frame loss on click

which makes aiming the plasma extremely difficult

[austere mica]

Plasma users finally receiving divine punishment for their actions

[slender elm]

sadness

i only started playing like a week ago

actually i have a question

chain weapon specials lose damage if you dodge away during animation yes?

[austere mica]

Yes

Most the damage is the rip at the end

[slender elm]

that's fair

though im looking at the guides pinned and its telling me i should L1 after special and not H1

with the mark 12 caxe

which is a bit weird

since the mark 12 is strikedown on heavies

[woven hazel]

what blessings on vraks V infantry autogun

[slender elm]

Welp, got a perfect roll braced autogun but its mk 4

Time to spray until I get to mastery 10 I guess

[mystic lodge]

Vigilant autoguns

[slender elm]

yea but i also have to account for armor and bosses

spoiled by plasma

welp the guide says the vigilant autoguns are shit against bosses and armor lmao

[unreal nova]

Forced to bolter, I guess?

[slender elm]

if i had one that isnt shit, at any rate

i just burned all my stuff trying to get a good chainsword lel

oh well the grind continues

[verbal osprey]

Charge rate or stopping power on a plasma gun?

[unreal nova]

Chainsword still pretty much on the bleah end though.

[unreal nova]

Thermal 68-69, Charge rate 72-71. Stopping power is damage.

[verbal osprey]

nvm, found one where the ammo is dump stat

80 80 charge and stopping

[unreal nova]

You don't dump ammo on it though.

[young salmon]

what is the dump stat for combat blade? and what blessings would yall recommend?

[verbal osprey]

So what should I dump?

[unreal nova]

Mobility. Uncanny and something you want.

[unreal nova]

Thermal to 68-69, charge rate 72-71.

Or just dump thermal and lose the 1 extra chain shot you most likely will never need.

70/70 is fine as well if you find it. Diff is tiny enough and is an easier pull imo.

Charge rate also affects quick shots btw. Tiny bit but well.

[mystic lodge]

Not anymore

[verbal osprey]

Is the power falchion good?

[mystic lodge]

Mid

[unreal nova]

It works, but don't expect much from it. Meh.

[verbal osprey]

Recommended melee for a high damage gun build?

[slender elm]

depends on gun tbh

[verbal osprey]

What’s the recommended for Boltgun and plasma gun respectively?

[slender elm]

eh, power sword, combat knife, devil's claw, chain sword, heavy sword

those are the big and slow guns so you want trash clear and mobility

[unreal nova]

Do note the last 3 sucks at armoured, so may want kraks then.

[dense belfry]

Just learned The mk 3 knife is NOT good at hordes...

Some mutant threw me into a crowded hallway with an entire horde and 3 crushers

[verbal osprey]

What’s the best way to use power sword?

Activate then heavy attack?

[pine plume]

For mk6 its sp bc l1 l2 l3

Powe cycler ofc

[proud jolt]

Power faction all the way, love that thing

[pine plume]

Check the guide in pins

[proud jolt]

Man the feeling when you get the infinite ammo perk on mortis

[unreal nova]

It's more for zealots to back head stabs imo. Mk6 is better on Vet.

[dense belfry]

Understood.

[slender elm]

how much crit do i want for a lasgun build

recon lasgun specifically

[unreal nova]

As much as you can if you wanna take advantage of shocktroop, trying for 20-25% at min.

[slender elm]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a097730b-f00d-4bfb-b4b5-8ac911695236/las-spam

something like this?

[tepid panther]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is what I usually use.

[slender elm]

Hmm, no superiority complex feels weird

I'll try it out later

[stable orbit]

use laspistol instead of kantrael

is more better

[tepid panther]

Kantrael?

[tepid otter]

one of the Mks for the Las Rifle

[tepid panther]

No, I was wondering why he mentioned it.

[tepid otter]

The only bearable infantry las imo

[stable orbit]

it's better than recon las too but there's *minimal horde control

[tepid panther]

I mean you can swap to either one with this build, ultimately it's preference in this case.

[azure narwhal]

Inf las > recon las? That's a take

Not to mention that build has WS

Inf las needs MMF to even be prevelant in damage

[tepid panther]

If inf las had hold to fire I'd like it more.

But I prefer recon.

[azure narwhal]

There is a mod for that, full auto iirc. Though again, with the build you're using it wouldn't work anyways, you need a MMF tree for inf lasgun should you come around to playing it

That build's good for recon, stick to it

[quick shell]

Yeah full auto

[azure narwhal]

Yep

[tepid panther]

I wasn't even considering it, also can't mod as console player. And yeah, I love recon cause I just enjoy the insane amount of dakka. But I am glad someone shared that build awhile ago, it's been one of my favorite.

[azure narwhal]

Ah i see

But yeah, ifinite dakka

[mystic lodge]

MMF is the only way to play IAG, ILas, and VilAG

[mystic lodge]

Try IAG, moar DAKKA

[tepid panther]

I have, using Sirosky's build for it.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02606aa-11c1-4470-9bb1-fc3f2d315f31/emperors-fusiliers

[mystic lodge]

Yes, I have it too

[hoary gorge]

hell yeah

[mystic lodge]

Its one of the best Vet tops imo

[dry cloak]

eh nothing that interests me in the current shop

[azure narwhal]

congrats

im fucking fiending

for that krieg commissar leak

[mystic lodge]

Lady Alice of house Tencent thanks you

[azure narwhal]

the PEAK

[runic jackal]

Is anybody in here also getting lag using the plasma gun? Instead of killing anything in 1 shot. It kills my frames instead now. Drops like 60fps each shot.

[mystic lodge]

Yes

My game freezes each shot

[azure narwhal]

it's a current issue yes

[true jackal]

finally, plasma nerfs

[azure narwhal]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/666

i have

no idea if this works

but hail mary and give it a try

[true jackal]

smh my head these mods are getting out of hand, changing game balance and undoing the nerf

[azure narwhal]

LMAO

trve....

[runic jackal]

Lmao

Plasma was fine before

But now with arby and the 1tap giga shotty build

Plasma aint helpful no more. Back to the bolter because its at least funny to use and will 1 mag crushers

That or they did the charge shot switch around they said they were gonna. Havent seen it in the notes if they did

But at least im not crazy thank you.

[true jackal]

it hasn't actually been nerfed

it's just bugged

damage numbers should be the same

[limber karma]

hi, which node do you guys think is better? I feel that my uptime for reciprocity is lower than close quarters combat

[true jackal]

reciprocity should be up like 75% of the time

[wraith locust]

Are you using uptime mod

[limber karma]

nope, which is exactly what I'm missing i guess

[wraith locust]

Reciprocity has high uptime, don’t think close quarters is anywhere near the uptime

[limber karma]

i can't tell which is better

10 seconds buff a shout whcih is spammable

seems decent

which do you guys run?

[wraith locust]

Reciprocity

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[quick shell]

mfw I wanna use plasma gun again

ill just wait for a patch

level other stuff in the meantime

[tame lodge]

Fatshark big brain

Forcing plasma players to play other things

By bugging plasma

[quick shell]

yep thats what happened to me

[runic jackal]

Then auric is hitting differently. I dont remember gunners and shotguners taking 2 headshots.

[runic jackal]

Its there plan all along

[flint lake]

I miss my 30 shot bolter.

I’d easily take it back over the infiltration

[true jackal]

i'd take a lot of things in exchange for infiltration

[jade cloak]

Anyone have a recommended Havoc recon las build?

[tame lodge]

Could have done better if it critted more often

[atomic void]

wot da hyll arbeetus shotty on vet

[sly orchid]

Solo mod probably

[tame lodge]

It's Loadout config

You can use exclusives

And every now and then I remember about it

[true jackal]

anything from ogryn silly on other class?

[tame lodge]

Oh iirc

You can't use ogryn things on the lil uns

[hollow ibex]

wtf is this

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-me-hanging-gif-17793497528127846411

[hollow ibex]

loose cannon fragged an arbites and took his shotty

[tame lodge]

however, ogryn can use lil uns

it just looks weird

[ruby oriole]

Hello heretics, gangers and other common filth, how is Atoma this evening

[hybrid flame]

Wet

[still dove]

is charge rate the dump stat?

[upper dock]

dump charge rate

Can you even use plasma gun? I updated my drivers and even downloaded a mod but using the plasma gun just casts lag.

[narrow frost]

no, charge rate affects left click time to charge

[fair shale]

Plasma has weird stats

[narrow frost]

@tired egret

if you want to min max

[fair shale]

Yeah

[narrow frost]

if not thermal is the best dump

[still dove]

let me check

[still dove]

thx

[still dove]

i dont lag

[upper dock]

amd or nvidia

[woeful oxide]

is infilirtae okay?

[narrow frost]

yes

[true jackal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[woeful oxide]

okay thx i will make build for it

is krak or shredder better with it?

[true jackal]

up to your other weapon choices really

[woeful oxide]

ight okay, ill just play around and see which i find better

[uneven kelp]

Plasma gun bug.

I noticed that every time the weapon :

Start Charging a shot
Shoot

There is a huge frame hiccup, as seen on the graph.

The first 2 spikes are from a left click shot, first spike was charging, second was shooting, the third and last spike is just the screenshot so nvm about that

If you spam right click to charge the thing you have a frame hiccup every time

The reason why I noticed it only in game is because it doesn't happen in the Psychanum.

Perhaps somewith with netcode or whatever. At first I though mods where the issue, so I quitted the game to join in back in vanilla, still the same.

[true jackal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1101149773005865030/French.gif

[narrow frost]

They do different things. 1 is horde clear/stagger (frag). and krak is anti armor and boss stagger

shredders do benefit from the damage increase from invis

(as well as kraks, but it wont changes its 1 shots on armor targets, it'll just be more boss damage)

[narrow frost]

did you update your drivers?

this is known bug on previous drivers, plasma lagging your game

[uneven kelp]

Is the bug fixed by a simple driver update ?

From what I scrolled through that doesn't matter and the bug is still there

[narrow frost]

it fixes for some

I havent used plasma so I am unsure for myself

[uneven kelp]

Counterpoint, got an AMD card

[narrow frost]

ahh

Darktide hates AMD

[uneven kelp]

Any reason for that ?

[narrow frost]

idk

[uneven kelp]

lul

[narrow frost]

I just notice anyone using AMD has a lot more problems

[uneven kelp]

Well from my part I can testify to a solid 80 fps in big fights at 1440p FSR Quality frame gen off

On a 7900XTX

Amazing, I know

Most of the time I play exec vet so you can guess thoses solid frame rates help a lot to hit shots

[still dove]

rashad or tac axe?

[fair shale]

Rashad is easier but TAxe is more fun/mobile ime

Rashad very much just works tho

[woeful oxide]

Rashad?

[fair shale]

the singular combat axe mark most people use

[woeful oxide]

ahh ok

i personally love the tact axe more then combat axe

[tame lodge]

Rashad

Tactical Axes are shit

[austere mica]

Tac axe

[midnight hemlock]

hi guys, getting back into the game. Any advice for good builds?

for right now i've just picked what i thougth was good for my combat knife

i've pretty much just fully gone down the right side of the tree

[split swan]

If running MK1 shovel, is serrated blade required? don't want to give up Field Improv if I don't have to

[strange crow]

Nah serrated blade only really necessary for flesh tearer knife or sunder power sword

Unless you wanna help your zealot and ogryn teammates out

[austere mica]

Its free damage versus niche utility

[hybrid plover]

serrated blade makes shovel significantly better

[strange crow]

Oh it do?

Myb

[hybrid plover]

uncanny makes bleed go through ADMs

[austere mica]

Field improv can be activated 4 times a mission max

And varies in effectiveness greatly

Serrated will always work

[strange crow]

Yeah but I assume if he rly rly wants field improv he's not playing havoc 40 so it's not super serious

[split swan]

I usually run Rashad with Field Improv, figured I'd try something different but first round with shovel was underwhelming w/o serrated

[strange crow]

Were you running decimator and uncanny?

Shovel relies on them pretty heavily

[split swan]

Yes:

Dump Defences
Unyielding
Carapace
Uncanny Strikes
Decimator

[strange crow]

Huh fair enough

[sharp epoch]

doesnt work its placebo

[strange crow]

Also note that rashad is top 3 melee rn so shovel is not gonna be able to hold a candle to it

You mostly run shovel for fun and style points

[split swan]

Okay, fair point - I'll try it again with Serrated and see

[deft wolf]

Hey guys, question.

Is it possible that vet doesnt get stacks of Weapon specialist for killing chem toxin infected enemies?

[sharp epoch]

shouldnt affect it,

chem toxin mostly steals on kill effects

if they die by the chem toxin

[quick shell]

what does shotgun vet want on a db?

and does it want to use WS?

[hollow ibex]

yes WS with always prepared is THE way to run DB

and then blessings are manstopper flechette

[fair shale]

You don't have to reload

[quick shell]

do i still want to run

uhhh

what's it called

exe

I'd assume it might struggle given they're on opposite sides of the tree?

[sharp epoch]

its not

[quick shell]

I actually just realised I had a setup with it

ok so this is what I've got right now, I'm not too sure what to give up for always prepared, do I just swap from OYT?

[sharp epoch]

toes

[quick shell]

thought so

[sharp epoch]

wait noi

covert operative

[quick shell]

im not sure how good covert operative is, I

yeah

that was sort of what i was thinking

[hollow ibex]

skip

[sharp epoch]

like really bad best use case would be a BoN

[quick shell]

ok and lastly, what one of the exe stance nodes do you recommend

I find it hard to pick between them

[fair shale]

Its personal choice imo

[sharp epoch]

the ogrun one

[fair shale]

For the DB tho? Ogryn ime.

[quick shell]

how does the db do into cara

[hollow ibex]

not well

[quick shell]

need to get better at getting those exe resets

[hollow ibex]

it's good against pretty much everything else tho

[quick shell]

i find myself not doing great at keeping those going

ill just run kraks then

[quick shell]

what about perks? unyielding flak?

[hollow ibex]

i do flakiac but unyielding is a very valid option too

[tall torrent]

why covert operative

wat weapons are this for

[quick shell]

not sure

That was a setup for the helbore I believe

that was just the tree I had prior

covert is gone now either way

and chainaxe is good now right?

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[quick shell]

was it the mk4 or 12

[hollow ibex]

12's better

[quick shell]

that's shred on heavy right

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

yeah

light spam for hordes

[tall torrent]

currently 12 is a bit better

at least for vet

[quick shell]

ive used neither of these weapons before really

so lets see how this goes

[true jackal]

it's a fun combo

[quick shell]

i just kinda dont want to use psword with always ready

RTX 5900???

Heretics are scalping

[true jackal]

lets kill em

[tulip shoal]

are the lasguns at all good anymore? i havt played in a while

[true jackal]

the recon's definetly are

[mystic pilot]

finally tried out combat shotgun

it really ROCK

[tulip shoal]

but have the others fallen off? like the mg and 12?

[hollow ibex]

ilas? yeah they haven't aged well

[true jackal]

the infantry las guns are not particularly good right now

[tulip shoal]

thats to bad, what should i us instead?

[mystic pilot]

hipfire doesn't one shot as much but it's good for splashing several targets at once.
Aiming down.... wow really OSK any horde unit

[true jackal]

if you want the same kind of experience the vigilante autoguns are ok/good pretty sure

[tulip shoal]

are any oif them better then the others/ good at those one tap headshots the las guns were good for?

[true jackal]

one of the is semi-automatic instead of burst, and should 1 tap shooters with a headshot

[tulip shoal]

ill hav to try that then. thanks

[olive halo]

fire frenzy/dumdum or deathspitter/dumdum on infantry autogun?

or fire frenzy and deathspitter maybe??

[gilded rock]

All of them are good except for the infantry las

Which is usable

But so boring

[strange crow]

Helbore is very strong right now and fills the same niche, vigilant autoguns are also strong but the burst-fire marks (3 and 9) are better than the semi-auto one

[deft cosmos]

Is power sword + plasma still the Havoc sauce

[trail steeple]

I thought hellbores were seen as kinda bad, but maybe im out the loop?

[quick shell]

I think that depends on if ur pc can handle plasma guns atm

[deft cosmos]

Fps in SHAMBLES but specials also dead

Is there any way to animation cancel the bolter animation when you pull it out?

The brief delay feels terrible

[strange crow]

Run knives on zealot

[deft cosmos]

🧎‍♂️

[south spindle]

Smartest Veteran on the Mourningstar 😄

[deft cosmos]

Thank you gamer

[quick shell]

ok I am really liking the double barrel on vet

i might go back to using it with shout though?

im not sure if im a huge fan of exe stance really

[south spindle]

Weap'Spec Double Barrel fucks tbh

[deft cosmos]

Melee vet with infiltrate and double barrell

Gogogo

[strange crow]

I like infiltrate on db just for fun too

[quick shell]

not using inf i dont think

dont like stleath

pointless

[south spindle]

Only way to increase the based rating further is using the Shovel as melee 😄

[quick shell]

using chaxe

[strange crow]

Yeah stealth not good but its aura

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ehh-whats-that-brother-gif-6962057458982185335

[robust herald]

me

that's what I do

[deft cosmos]

Voice is strictly the best

[robust herald]

shovel peak

[deft cosmos]

But the other two are fun

[robust herald]

anyone who says shovel bad doesn't know

[strange crow]

Nah exe stance is as good as voice of command rn

[deft cosmos]

Below auric is doesn't super matter if you game

[strange crow]

It has passive toughness regen

Plus damage boost

And wallhacks

[deft cosmos]

Not having gold toughness in havoc sounds horrible

[south spindle]

Its only like.. the most fluid and bestest moveset in the game 😄

[deft cosmos]

Do you need it for one shot thresholds

[strange crow]

Yes absolutely

[quick shell]

hmmm

I'm really not sure how i feel about frags vs kraks

i should probably just run kraks

[tall torrent]

Havoc’s health pool increase makes most auric 1-tap guns need crit-weakspot to even get close to havoc 1 taps

Exe stance makes that a lot less crit dependent

[quick shell]

I assume that's where the helbore starts being really good

because of how high it's damage is?

[tall torrent]

Helbore is good in general

[rustic hemlock]

do i just turn on power falchion and wack everything until it charges up, or should i always turn it off before it reaches full?

[quick shell]

feels like overkill on auric

[tall torrent]

Turn it off before full

[strange crow]

I mean you don't have to run Mk IV

[tall torrent]

Unless u use overload blessing

[quick shell]

I was running mk5

still felt like overkill

it was in this awkward spot where I just felt like it shot a little too slow, felt a little bit too slow to draw, etc

[tall torrent]

Are u aiming down sights after drawing

[quick shell]

a couple of things where it was just slightly not enough

yes

i like hitting my targets usually

[tall torrent]

I think vig auto 3 is prob the best “sustained sniping” gun atm if u don’t run shock trooper

[quick shell]

yeah that's just generally sort of not what im looking for

it felt great vs specials

popping exe and just going through nuking a gunner crew or whatever was awesome

but when u start looking at little shooters and things

it was just slightly not enough for me

[tall torrent]

It’s 1 burst bodyshot on shooters & stalkers

[quick shell]

charged sure

[tall torrent]

What

[quick shell]

unless u mean with exe active

[tall torrent]

I’m talking about this gun

[quick shell]

oh

im talking about helbore

[tall torrent]

Helbore bodyshots are pretty bad

[quick shell]

the vig autos are all solid weapons and i like them

[tall torrent]

Even with crit

It’s exclusively headshot gun

Takes like 2-3 bodyshots to kill 1 flamer

[quick shell]

yeah

not really for me

what blessings do you run on chaxe? headtaker + slaughter?

[tall torrent]

that's the best yea

[quick shell]

I assume there's not a ton of difference between mobi and def dumps

[tall torrent]

Well

Mobility dump is mainly slower sprint

0.09 vs 0.27

Defence is mainly push cost, 1.4 vs 1.8

I think push cost usually better tho

[quick shell]

both are nice, both don't seem like super huge gaps

it probably is but frankly I don't think I push enough for it to matter

[hollow ibex]

How noticeable is this really?

[quick shell]

im betting not very

[tepid panther]

Hey Sirosky, you wouldn't happen to have a revolver build would you?

[quick shell]

for perks, what are we feeling, I assume it's flak, cara, unyielding, maniac

but not sure which

[south spindle]

For Hellbore? Probly Cara/Unyeilding because it one shot headshots basically everything else

[quick shell]

for chaxe

[south spindle]

Oh myb, no idea in that case

Still have PTSD from early DT when you couldnt dodge out of pin attacks

[quick shell]

yeah I feel the smae

but im trying it out and it feels pretty nice

the heavy having a rip naturally gives it quite high heavy attack damage

im liking it a surprising amount

[south spindle]

Have heard its much better nowdays yeah

[quick shell]

lights dont rip on the mk12 thank fuck

[south spindle]

Ahh yeah, the light rips on the OG one, thats why everyone hated it in the early days

[quick shell]

yeah it made it unusable into hordes

[south spindle]

I forgot it was the lights

[quick shell]

some maniacs liked it

but not a ton

[south spindle]

Yer, not many for sure

[quick shell]

I'm liking always prepared with the db a lot

high apm too

fucked up a couple times and got trapped and downed once because i messed my inputs up

[south spindle]

Freeload is always good tbh, though yeah Weap'Spec can be for sure input intensive, it dont help that the game eats inputs constantly either lol

[quick shell]

yeah

[south spindle]

Tis also very fun with Boltpistol tho

[quick shell]

i can imagine actually

[tall torrent]

Roughly 3% better sprint speed when you have stamina

[quick shell]

that'll be noticable

[tall torrent]

it kinda is

but it's not massive

5%+ is where it starts to be relevant

[quick shell]

i feel like it isn't enough to make a notable difference really

not at 3% at least

[hollow ibex]

welp

i think i'd rather dump mob then prob

[mystic pilot]

I find them good for single target focus when they're tougher than the poxwalkers

the shovel as your primary help with crowd control. The combo has been working well so far for me

[tepid panther]

Didn't they get buffed recently? That's why they're so good?

[hollow ibex]

helbore got buffed yeah

multiple times

bayonet got nerfed multiple times to make up for it

[quick shell]

Was the bayonet thjat good?

[south spindle]

Christ I forgot how absolutely awful it is to be in a lobby with a Rumbler Ogryn

[heavy rover]

Nah, helbore are peak. Haven't touched plasma in an eternity and can gladly vouch for helbores even for havoc 40

[hollow ibex]

idk was never a fan of bayonet cheese

[tame lodge]

Yes

And back when Limbsplitter BM worked on it

You could insta kill 4 Ragers

[quick shell]

LOL

[tame lodge]

And clear hordes

Also used to be spammable

[south spindle]

It was kinda fun even if most aspects of it were unintended

[tall torrent]

lets just say that back when it was bugged it was the strongest melee weapon in the game against everything but carapace

[mystic pilot]

can't "push" back crowd as the shovel can though 🙂

[tame lodge]

Not nowadays

[tepid panther]

I've been trying to like the helbore, but I really dislike it

[quick shell]

i felt the same way so i simply stopped using it

[hollow ibex]

it's very different from most guns

[tepid panther]

What perks and blessings are usually ran on DS5?

[orchid hemlock]

Probably the best range weapon on Vet

[broken scroll]

saw this and thought of vet chat

[fading yarrow]

Put together Dom's grenade build

I didn't know that the knife deals bleed damage because of bistol's Puncture

This is very amusing

[slow sky]

What

[sharp epoch]

day 4 of plasma not working: dropped to havoc 13

[sick marsh]

idk why it's my headcanon that the male cutthroat is a short king...

[slow sky]

Perfect time to play shovel double barrel

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-based-breathtaking-gif-22127601

[sharp epoch]

it just made me finally get hive scum

[fading yarrow]

Nvm, brain's fried. Forgot about Serrated Blade lol

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[fair shale]

How it feels it go to your first wedding at like 12 and your family sticks you in a suit

[stark holly]

man, after playing with power sword, all other melee weapons feel like garbage

[fading yarrow]

Switched from mk 6 knife to mk 3 for the Big Dom build and man it feels weird

It's like I have no range

[slow sky]

Overpowered weapon is overpowered

[sharp epoch]

hive scums shivs feel a lot better but that might just be because of rampage

[frigid shuttle]

That's because most melee weapons are garbage.

[topaz scarab]

man, the revolver fucking sucks

not sure why i am evne tyring to level up this thing

[hollow ibex]

its really good wdym?

[topaz scarab]

doesnt feels as good as the plasma or bolt stuff

[hollow ibex]

just poor ammo economy

[hollow ibex]

mostly used as a sidearm to very quickly one shot priority targets

or you can go full meme and run it as a sniper

[topaz scarab]

i mean

[hollow ibex]

it can one-shot auric crushers btw

[topaz scarab]

a bolt gun is better

while the plasma rifle can just cut through a line

[hollow ibex]

ironically

bolter doesn't hit as hard as revolver

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1434805712315351070/6A14D51.MP4?ex=694060b3&is=693f0f33&hm=e271f3c2135def796a2314906fdde88545b29a592288e65e784162ef7106e16b&

[topaz scarab]

i asume you maxed out your revolver

[hollow ibex]

what would win, the imperium's heaviest man-portable weapon, or some cowboy 5-shooter

[robust herald]

is shovel BiS for that build or naw

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[topaz scarab]

then yea we prob cant compare in this convo

[hollow ibex]

you can't judge a weapon until it's maxed

[topaz scarab]

this suck

[hollow ibex]

but trust me it's worht leveling revolver

[topaz scarab]

worse is i cant empower it until level 20

[hollow ibex]

19 but yeah you're stuck

until then

[stuck gorge]

just get a bunch of green revolvers and sacrifice em

[hollow ibex]

unless you sacrifice a bunch of revolvers

[topaz scarab]

this karking suck

[hollow ibex]

this is why i always have a bunch of dockets stored for new characters

to power level all the weapons

[topaz scarab]

i dont have alot of money

[hollow ibex]

F

[topaz scarab]

i mean, i prob can get a bunch of revolver

[hollow ibex]

could play a melee focused build

and just use melee

[topaz scarab]

but i dont have enough scroll

[topaz scarab]

yea, already doing that

[hollow ibex]

you don't need to actually use the weapon to level

[topaz scarab]

using it with my dueling sword

[topaz scarab]

wait for rea?

bruh

[hollow ibex]

just take it with you

you don't need to pull it out at all

that's what i mean

[topaz scarab]

bruh, trancending a item cost 500 scroll

wtf is this

fatshark is inflating consencrate prices?

[tepid panther]

I found the revolver very meh, until I got hand-cannon and Surgical to IV.

Even without it fully maxed it does pretty great, still gotta finish getting it to 20.

[topaz scarab]

i hate how ungodly hard the game is for beginers

it doesnt explain a single thing

[distant plaza]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1fqpb8t/hopefully_helpful_tips_for_sacrificing_and/

[stuck gorge]

and the things it does “explain” are often worded wrong or completely misleading

[topaz scarab]

the game is out for several years and yet it still doesnt explain shit

[tepid panther]

So for sacrificing do you just buy grey weapons and upgrade them to green?

[topaz scarab]

yea

which cost 100 or 150 scroll

so on top of the expensive price of the weapon

[tepid panther]

Huh? Wish I would've learned that...

[topaz scarab]

it follow by a expensive scroll price

its one of those game where you need to fucking watch a tutorial before actually playing it

[tepid panther]

I mean I did pretty fine getting into it, even though I was using the most fucked build from GL for Vet.

Damn you Vet SL build

[topaz scarab]

lol

i had it worse

like

thinking you will have enough talent point to spec on all the perk

[tepid panther]

Thankfully games doesn't lock points like in other games.

Otherwise scuffed builds without being able to change them would suck. lol

[sharp epoch]

its self explanatroy

[tall torrent]

uh

wat

[slow sky]

I think it is cuz its very melee reliant, and shovel is capable of dealing with any melee situation, plus it has the boon of fast attacks and decent cleave (for serrated) and uncanny (for fletchette/serrated)
Like sure ds is better for single target stuff but shovel esp with serrated clears its group/horde clear, while also having tons of control from the stab special against stuff like crushers so you dont have to give up ground (really valuable)
Its more about being good into every situation vs great into some and okay into others

[topaz scarab]

ok, it suck when its not upgraded

but i guess that goes for any weapon

[tall torrent]

do u have lv30 on veteran

[topaz scarab]

yes

[tall torrent]

what's ur build atm

[topaz scarab]

its a build i had for my plasma rifle

[tall torrent]

ok revolver wants changes from this

take weapon specialist + always prepared

[topaz scarab]

alright

done

also which is better

quick draw or aim down sight

really wish instead of level 19, they let us empower stuff as much as the weapon mastery is at

[verbal trench]

As of the latest patch in certain maps and areas of maps firing the plasma gun turns the game into a slideshow for a few seconds. Anyone else getting that?

[primal zealot]

ads

also idk about not being able to empower

i lvld scum with a 500 tac axe at lvl 1

[idle hornet]

So...is there any builds around the vigilante autogun?

That gun is pretty nice. But it seems completely forgotten.

[hollow ibex]

generic marksman build that works well with vigils

[tall torrent]

it's strong, use mk3

can run it in any regular hybrid setup for veteran

[idle hornet]

What perks. Blessings? Dump?

And what weapon for sidearm?

[hollow ibex]

surgical/headhunter + DA, carayielding

[tall torrent]

mobility dump, maniac + flak, surgical + deadly accurate

[hollow ibex]

you take flakiac on mk3? 🤔

oh hybrid build

[tall torrent]

yea one bursts everything important

only gun actually worth taking MF for frequently is helbore

[hollow ibex]

a lot of guns shine with MMF

[tall torrent]

opportunity cost is just massive

not worth outside helbore

and maybe deadshot combat shotgun meme

[hollow ibex]

i mean yeah melee is gimped but some guns go preeeetty fucking hard with mmf

at least hard enough that i'm willing to sacrifice my melee for lol

[tall torrent]

ultimately not as good as just dmg stacking on a hybrid build most of the time

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-never-nah-naw-gif-1191255073758669162

[spice osprey]

what weapons do you guys think would fit a loose cannon archetype veteran, purely based on vibes rather than meta or stats

[verbal osprey]

Anyone encountered a bug where their weapon fires without input after exiting ADS?

[topaz scarab]

how did you take that picture

[topaz scarab]

eh, i dont like it

high recoil

and slower rate of fire

[hollow ibex]

i just made a build on gameslantern

and screenshotted it

[topaz scarab]

is that

like

a website

or somthing

ah

[hollow ibex]

ffs

dumbass bot

[topaz scarab]

the fuq

[hollow ibex]

http://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[topaz scarab]

lmao

[hollow ibex]

the public builds on the site suck ass

don't bother with those

but it's helpful for your own buildcrafting

[topaz scarab]

i just watch build video and copy from there

[tall torrent]

don't do that either

most of them are horrible

[hollow ibex]

sadly true

[topaz scarab]

man

i play the game to kill heretic

not play rip off payday 2 perk system

[livid hill]

Loose cannon when sister prine calls her a sinner:

[hoary gorge]

oh look so this isn't much different with how it is on warframe and the overframe website lmao

[hoary gorge]

this is nothing like payday 2 what

[topaz scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[livid hill]

You can't prove nothing

[brisk epoch]

whats the best infantry lasgun build?

[robust herald]

how do ya handle mauler packs? considering it's not as easy to just lightspam and you don't get the kills for double barrel load that quickly unless there's trash mobs nearby

[hollow ibex]

PA/lights if shovel mk1

and then DB to the chest

[slow sky]

you can totally do this tho

you have uncanny and serrated

[robust herald]

yea I guess
it's just been that in a lot of situations, I find that against scab mauler packs, it's kind of subpar even though I'm hitting heads

idk might be warframe "I need to kill this bullshit immediately" brain talking

[slow sky]

also its important to remember that any kill while holding melee works

if they die to bleed or a grenade it counts

just have to have it in your hand

[robust herald]

makes sense

so I could throw a krak if I'm feeling lazy and they're tightly packed

and then get bonuses on shovel

[slow sky]

i take kraks for a variety of reasons and thats definitely one of em

tightly packed group of armor
begone

even before the krak buff
they just did what i needed my nade to do

[robust herald]

it's a really nice luxury that veteran has, I've really been realizing why people like kraks so much. especially with the cluster-like talent with the 20% chance to detonate more

it completely trivializes crusher packs

[slow sky]

when it comes to this situation tho
if you are struggling to get a kill then a krak isnt just for removing it, radius is still small

but it can kickstart it

forcing some ranged specialist stacks can get the ball rolling, they still have flak bodies so aiming for the body will still cause manstopper to cleave through them and start the bleeding

and shovel just ramps it up

you can also control it a bit with the stabs so youre not on the backfoot the whole time

[robust herald]

how useful is mk1 shovel's special?

I can't find uses for it and I don't understand its role as a move

[slow sky]

anything that can be staggered by a weapon will be staggered by it when it hits the head (as long as theyre not in a stagger cooldown ie crushers)

[robust herald]

can it interrupt rager combos?

[slow sky]

you can force a crusher to stop an overhead and stand it place for a few seconds

it stops rager combos and also leaves them staggered for a few seconds

it can stop mutant charges instantly

[robust herald]

that is

really useful

that is reeeaaally useful

[hollow ibex]

it's the same as the taxe mk4/7 special

[slow sky]

it really is
you can use it to force a situation to be more in control

[hollow ibex]

very high utility

[slow sky]

you dont have to dodge that mutant anymore then deal with it after

[hollow ibex]

you can also just stop a mutant with a special headshot

[robust herald]

yea

[slow sky]

you can stop it now and remove it from the situation now

[robust herald]

I usually just double barrelled it to the face, I didn't realize you could just stop it and melee it to death

[still dove]

what melee weapon goes best with spearhead boltgun

[robust herald]

save some ammo

[slow sky]

a bunch of crushers pushing forward toward you? weave in some stabs between whoevers overheading and suddenly most of the crushers are barely doing anything and you only have to worry about 1-2 at a time, and theyre barely moving you backwards

same goes for maulers

[robust herald]

I usually toss kraks at crushers but it's nice to know there's an easy way to trivialize them with the shovel if I'm out

I usually exclusively save kraks for tight carapace packs and bosses

it goes a long way, especially with the bonus krak damage talent. it de-atomizes bosses if you have good krak timing and get them in before shields pop back up

[still dove]

do you guys like power sword over dueling sword?

[slow sky]

its just important to remember that crushers have a stagger cooldown so you cant just stunlock them, and it lasts long enough to where theyll probably attack again before you can do it again

[robust herald]

I've found spearhead pretty good with either power sword, shovel, or taxe

[hollow ibex]

yeh, dsword overrated

[still dove]

thanks, what mark ps do you run ?

[still dove]

im tired of using it lol

[robust herald]

eehhhh power sword is super involved and dsword is easy to pick up and start fucking shit up with, so it depends

[slow sky]

taxe is duelling sword if it wasnt boring as shit

[robust herald]

achlys

[slow sky]

which is 6

[still dove]

ive never used taxe im going to give it a try

[robust herald]

that's weird, because the attack property says it ignores stagger reduction

[robust herald]

I use taxe in my mmf bolt pistol build

I love it

[still dove]

bet

[robust herald]

it's a lot of fun but you need a good wrist for it

[slow sky]

tyr could probably go into more depth of stagger immunities and such cuz thats simply something im not as familiar with in terms of how it works behind the scenes

[robust herald]

it's super spammy

[still dove]

i got used to shivs lol i should be good

[slow sky]

but its one youll really notice when youll use it

[still dove]

which mark? this guy has the 7 for his build

[slow sky]

taxe has a little more going on tho
not much but knowing what it has going on saves your hands and spikes its effectiveness

that one

also what build

[robust herald]

I like mk7 meself

[still dove]

ah ok bet

sry for all the questions lol

[slow sky]

you are not forgiven

[robust herald]

for all I know they're using it with spearhead boltgun

[slow sky]

we hate questions

its why we answer them so quickly

[robust herald]

True...

[still dove]

[slow sky]

(i say that then remembered i didnt answer yours quickly)

[still dove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df040b6-b9cd-46eb-8be0-c3dd02afc350/meta-nrgaas-bolter-veteran-havoc-40

[robust herald]

keep in mind tho I just like mk7 because it has a nice looking moveset and better average dmg lol

[slow sky]

but tbf i dont use ds or psword or bolter on vet so lol

[robust herald]

I think mk7 is the most popular one tho

[still dove]

im going to use it soon

i never used bolter until today on vet bc all i use is plasma and helbore lol

[slow sky]

oh thats the build that skips iron will for some unknown reason

[still dove]

wtf

[slow sky]

yeah

[robust herald]

you should

[hollow ibex]

"havoc 40 ready"

[robust herald]

use iron will

[hollow ibex]

bros a mlg havoc 40 vet player

doesn't take iron will

[still dove]

😭

[hollow ibex]

cuz he simply doesn't get hit

[robust herald]

a lot of public builds are uh. Something

Something as in. They're kind of ass

[still dove]

yeaaa im trying to look for the underground builds lmfao

but its wtv im really bored of plasma

[slow sky]

i havent tried exe stance with bolter so idk breakpoints

but imo if you go mmf and exe stance
tunnel vision is the dumbest thing in the world

[still dove]

yea facts

[slow sky]

it results in like the highest toughness regen in like the entire game

exe stance going from 10 to 16%/s

then you throw in confirmed kill and catch a breath

[tall torrent]

yes, only staggers 1 rager tho

[still dove]

i dropped volley adept for iron will, the reload speed on elite and special kill

[still dove]

thats so crazy, i like exe stance but VOC comes in handy

its nice on helbore builds though

[worthy lodge]

fr VOC is clutch

[slow sky]

imo thats one id keep

for bolter especially

long reload and youll be killing elites often with that

[still dove]

makes sense, its hard to drop something for iron will on that build i sent

[slow sky]

idk about its breakpoint but elite or ogryn/boss damage might be it
ik those are always good but i feel like a fluid build is more important

[tall torrent]

always keep iron will

it's not negotiable

[slow sky]

or skirmisher if you find yourself not stacking it often

[robust herald]

would y'all say the taxe needs serrated blade? I did some testing in psykh and the bleed didn't feel like it did much. how does bleed damage work?

[tall torrent]

not needed

[still dove]

yea i was just about to say skirm thanks

[slow sky]

it scales the more stacks you have

so its good for fast swinging weapons cuz youll get it to stack up quicker for that big damage

BUT

taxe does quite good damage into most things and the things youll only see value on would be bosses and crushers, and one of those two already strikes out due to the armor type

granted on a ranged build if your locked into melee against a boss, you wont regret having that extra damage
but its not vital

[robust herald]

yeah

I think, on this build since I'm running exe stance I won't have too much problem with that kinda stuff

I also have kraks and heavy attacks to lean on

[slow sky]

yeah imo damage is the least important thing when it comes to a build
you need to survive first and foremost to deal damage
and you could have a high damage build but without the QoL stuff that backs it up youll be fumbling around a lot of the time or just not having a good time
so sacrificing some damage to make sure you have those two first will help you more in the long run and thats pretty consistent across all classes

[robust herald]

yeah a super top-heavy build will do you no good

[slow sky]

theres already lots of things that give damage anyway so all thats gonna happen regardless

now time to play warframe and do the exact opposite of what i do here
run fuckass builds that explode everything that i got off of a website without fully understanding how it works

[robust herald]

new update's banging, descendia is my new favorite game mode

[slow sky]

oh weekly reset i gotta do that again dont i

[robust herald]

yea

it's only like a half hour grind

[slow sky]

yeah but its kinda like eh

its not bad but it feels pretty unrewarding

[robust herald]

you get the new crunk arcanes if you do enough of it

in like a really short time span

[robust herald]

honestly I feel like this is the easiest late game grind in the game LOL

[slow sky]

it is

[robust herald]

getting to floor 21 once gets you enough to buy all of uriel

[slow sky]

why would you buy uriel though

[robust herald]

also there is the uh whatchamacall it

the vosfor thingy but with the new resources

you get the exclusive arcanes if you use... ignia I think?

and ignia is pretty much just vosfor 2.0

[slow sky]

yeah its just a new source of arcanes

[robust herald]

well "buy"

[slow sky]

thats only slightly more generous than archimedea

[robust herald]

yk, like buy his part blueprints

[slow sky]

yeah why would you buy them

[robust herald]

you'd catch me dead before I play archimedea

[slow sky]

just farm it

[midnight wyvern]

Uriel is great, been playing him

its just

[robust herald]

it's a negligible amount if you cba to farm the rest

[slow sky]

my uriel should be done now btw

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-9112913

the warframe

[robust herald]

it's what I did to farm for his subsume copy

[slow sky]

it takes 1 minute on steel path to do the entire fight

[robust herald]

with roathe?

[slow sky]

yeah

[robust herald]

hang on

[slow sky]

most of that time is spent getting there

[robust herald]

do you get his parts if you skip to the roathe fight

that's ball knowledge wtf

[slow sky]

its a drop from the fight

as is the weapon

[robust herald]

huh, neat

[slow sky]

(i was not lucky for his dupe)

[robust herald]

yea I have all of the vinquibus parts

I got em from just playing descendia normally

[slow sky]

i dont wanna farm actual descendia tho

[robust herald]

vinquibus is surprisingly good

[robust herald]

I just take 5 min breaks every 7 floors since sometimes I get a floor modifier that ticks me off

like laser limbo last week was pmo

so bad

I hate laser limbo

[slow sky]

what

[robust herald]

the one where it's jackal lasers but they're all around the map

[slow sky]

oh that one lmao

[robust herald]

it's annoying

[slow sky]

i was just drone striking as jade lmfao

[robust herald]

yea if u have a frame that can fly they're no problem

or if you have a shield gater or overguard thingy

dante last week was MVP because of those interactions

makes sense that the character named dante would do well in the hell game mode tho

none of the floor modifiers are a detriment to him whatsoever lol

[slow sky]

nourish styanax being the infinite distributor of energy overguard and slash procs

[robust herald]

styanax is the best warframe I will never grind again

I hated his grind💔

[slow sky]

you grinded him?

i got him and his dupe for free xd

[robust herald]

yeahhh and the worst of it was having to wait 5 weeks because of the ranking gate

[robust herald]

his parts are tradable?

or didja get him gifted

[slow sky]

he was the 50th warframe so he was given to everyone for free who logged in during that time
then one of the summer games fests had him as a twitch drop

[robust herald]

of course the one time I took a break from the game

https://tenor.com/view/fell-for-it-again-award-gif-13516122002380463869

[unreal nova]

Light and fast to loot better. Good enough as last resort things. Also good for running away.

[slow sky]

tac axe and laspistol

the loose cannon isnt a pussy, they dont use no knife
they take something light that can still deal some real damage to a persons face

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure if I stab your face 5 times, it'll be messed up as well.

[slow sky]

thatd take more time and effort than 1 hatchet to the face though

[unreal nova]

But personally, any 'pistol' and a fast melee.

At that point, might as well emperor's toothpick. Mobility and face poking with parry safety net while running off, heh. I wish there were more fast melees tbh.

I want a powerfist with quick unpowered punches and powered heavier strikes.

[dry cloak]

I would give a lot for single stub pistol to be available for other human classes

Would use it a lot

[junior grail]

Question

Is Infantry or Vigil a better choice on Vet? Unless its just preference

[dry cloak]

Infatry for general use

And vigis for head clicking

With addendun that 3rd burst vigi can also be used with out vuild for it

Vigis are simply gonna be better if you go exe stance and mmf.

Both or either

[true fern]

is shock maul secretly amazing?

[narrow frost]

Secretly? No. It's one of the best all rounders with amazing stagger

It's my 2nd fav weapon to slap on a random build and it works

[dry cloak]

Iirc shockmaul now has more stagger than thunderhammer

[narrow frost]

I just recorded another Havoc run with it and las gun

Was fun

[tame lodge]

Wouldn't call it amazing

But it ain't bad

[dry cloak]

You cant go wrong with it my experience

[tame lodge]

Probably my most used melee since it was released

[dry cloak]

It will work

[dapper coyote]

Saul for me is my one of favourite lazy weapon

[mystic lodge]

thats gotta be one hell of a secret cuz noone seems to find it yet

[dapper coyote]

Just swing it bro

Crushers will die

[dry cloak]

The secret there is none

[mystic lodge]

you cant go wrong with Tacaxe

[dry cloak]

Yes

However tac axe requires more thinking than smaul

[dapper coyote]

Shrimply spam m1

[mystic lodge]

Tacaxe is the best comfort weapon for Vet. No thinking just swinging

[dry cloak]

For thats munitorum smaul

[dapper coyote]

Other lazy melee vet weapons for me is the Chaxe

Spam M1 and believe its gonna die

[dry cloak]

Now that occured to me

I use whole of 4 melee weapons on vet

Smaul dc7 mk6 and powerfalchion

[dapper coyote]

For me its Saul, Knoif, Caxe, Psword, Chaxe and maybe Csword

[mystic lodge]

for me its tacaxe, dclaw mk7, and rashad

lightspam-jitsu

[true fern]

it just feels really nice to use and does things

also stun

[dapper coyote]

I would like to play with dclaws

But man

No anti armor

[mystic lodge]

you just can, they're so simple

[mystic lodge]

parry works

usually I just krak crushers

on everything else dclaw works fine

[dapper coyote]

I don't like the parry that much

Because sometimes its get proc'ed by chaffs

[mystic lodge]

the parry is honestly to save u from the overheads of crushers and maulers, and to clear ragers

[dapper coyote]

Let me parry that crusher bro

That one chaff:

[mystic lodge]

yeah dclaw parry invul window should be extended

like 500miliseconds or smth

[dapper coyote]

But if im so fucking lazy i just play chaxe

M1 spam and maaaybbbbeeeeee rev and heavy

Ngl rev'd chains so fucking good at shredding bosses

[south spindle]

The parry is best on Psyker tbh because of Kinetic Deflection

You can kill like 100 Ragers with it

Its very silly

[maiden vector]

Is this scam? I don't see anything at aquila shop

Only hive scum ones

[unreal nova]

No. Check second page of featured.

Unless it's over.

[maiden vector]

Yeah.. it's damn hidden

But sad, they didn't sell officer helmet

[unreal nova]

FS UI.

[maiden vector]

Also, what is stat I can sacrifice for 60% on power sword?

[unreal nova]

And they said this is easier for consoles.

[unreal nova]

Cleave targets or mobility.

In lvl of preference.

Former is more common, but either way, the difference is barely visible.

[maiden vector]

I think about mobility, ye

Also, on bolt pistol it's mobility too?

[unreal nova]

Collateral.

Stat does absolutely jack.

[maiden vector]

Huh

[unreal nova]

Changes 0 stagger breakpoints.

And things will be dead by the time.

[maiden vector]

Lmao, I get needed like, first purchase after this message

[unreal nova]

You got a collateral dump?

[maiden vector]

Yes

Collateral is left down

[unreal nova]

Ah. Blessings are usually Puncture+Lethal Proximity if frags. Perks is usually flak/maniac.

[maiden vector]

I use reload speed + carapce

And for skills exposion + crit damage in head

My plaslteel

💀

[lilac eagle]

How good can lasgun actually get vs carapace enemies? I can 2 - 3 every other enemy in the entire video game except the carapace dudes, and the ogryn takes a full goddamn minute to whittle down with headshots

[unreal nova]

You don't want reload speed or cara. The Bistol is not for shooting crushers.

[maiden vector]

Bc carapace made to neglect lasguns

[unreal nova]

It's to shoot specials and certain ranged elites.

[unreal nova]

Hellbore can 1-2 shot if going memes.