veteran-class

[wraith locust]

Ol trustworthy

[full salmon]

So like is powersword a better option than duelling sword

🤔

[azure narwhal]

Duelling sword has better movement, psword is better ttk and better mixed horde

Both are very good

I think there's no point in really comparing until you try

Who knows what your playstyle is like better than yourself

[wraith locust]

Imo psword is harder to use

But higher ceiling

[full salmon]

Yeah Im just overthinking about it, seein other players can handle stuffs way more easier than I do got me a bit heh annoyed I suppose

[dense belfry]

Would rou recommend knife and invis?

Been running it for a few, but idk if ppl think it's good enough.

[silver patrol]

easily the worst ability for vet

[topaz scarab]

man, i sure love my homlessman fit when going with all drip out operative

[proud jolt]

Zealot hammer build, wipes demonhost

You can almost 1 tap them

[topaz scarab]

whats the point of killing demon host btw

[distant plaza]

death?

[silver patrol]

no point

[mystic lodge]

How is this homeless? You rocking brigade commander jacket

[topaz scarab]

it still have the fucking prisoner chain on the side

[quick seal]

https://tenor.com/view/brexby-gif-24077467

[dense belfry]

Do i give my knife bleed stacks or do i leave it as is?

[dapper coyote]

Use the knoif with serrated edge and then use the extra dmg when bleeding blessing

You'll get some good numbers and make crushers squishy

[dense belfry]

Would riposte be encouraged?

[dapper coyote]

Eh, not really usual blessings are mercy killer + uncanny strikes

[dense belfry]

Understood.

[dapper coyote]

Bleeds came from serrated,

Dmg from mercy killer, proc from serrated

And uncanny makes anything with armor squishy so long as you hit them alot

[topaz lance]

Can the Helbore be set up to oneshot Crushers?

[slender elm]

are the shotgun options any good

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[slender elm]

how are they good?

[keen dagger]

So before I start playing; does firing the Plasma Gun still lag your game a lot?

Have they fixed that yet?

[dense belfry]

Doublebarrel is good with Weapons specialist. 3 kills with that and you get 1 guaranteed crit shot.

[slender elm]

hmm

[slow sky]

Three melee kills then swapping to it to be exact

[dense belfry]

It's alt fire shoots both barrels, like in doom 2016.

[dense belfry]

This.

Thank you. Almost forgot.

[topaz lance]

Agri is a good headclicker with exe and MMF

[slender elm]

what are the differences actually

for the combat shotgun

[strange crow]

Agri great for unyielding and sniping specials, zarona is more generalist, accatran sucks

[slender elm]

interesting

[dense belfry]

This thing can 5 shot crushers???

[dreamy spade]

my vet does NOT know how to take pictures

[dense belfry]

leaned on the bad leg for that one.

[full salmon]

that drip fire asf but im too broke to afford it 😔

[topaz scarab]

what you mean affort it

all of that was just achivement stuff

[full salmon]

huh??

Is it??

[topaz scarab]

yea

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2921149001

[full salmon]

Oh my dumbasss I thought it was either aquilass or coins

[topaz scarab]

yea i dont do those

am a cheap cunt

if it cost money, i dont buy it

[dense belfry]

Shit's free...

[full salmon]

im such a stupid fat fcking chud

[topaz scarab]

the only thing i spend money on

is weapons

[dreamy spade]

My vet is still doing the pose every time I load the game

[full salmon]

weapon?

[dreamy spade]

Lmao

[full salmon]

Weapon cosmetic or

[dreamy spade]

Yes the good weapons are behind a paywall

[strange crow]

I think flesh tearer is more meta than mercy killer, no?

[topaz scarab]

no

weapon upgrade

and buying weapon

and just empowering weapons

[full salmon]

You're talkin about spending ingame money right, ight

[topaz scarab]

yea

what

you think i spend real life money into this shit?

[full salmon]

idkk!!

Also damn the girl at the cosmetic store got fckin brutalized 💀

She looks like a dead soul now

[slow sky]

Cuz she is dead

[full salmon]

No more funny joke 😔

[slow sky]

She was quite literally a heretic spy

And she was found out, shot, and turned into a servitor

[full salmon]

wait what??

[true jackal]

that is the original story of the game yea

[full salmon]

I didnt think it was her in the last cutscene

[slow sky]

Yeah one in the same

[dapper coyote]

Flesh tearer can be completely skipped with serrated edges

And way easier to proc

[strange crow]

But you lose out on a ton of bleed damage (8 fewer stacks) just to get mercy killer

[hollow ibex]

MK isn't worth it

[strange crow]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[cinder wagon]

Is stability very important on the recon lasgun?

I did try shooting with one that had 18% stability and it was still very much pinpoint accurate

[cinder wagon]

I heard that mercy killer doesn't actually give you 60% extra damage. When you hit a weakspot you deal (base damage + extra weakspot damage) and mercy killer only buffs the extra weakspot damage part, which doesn't really give you much

[hollow ibex]

ok to dump

[dense belfry]

Would you recommend for a knife build?

[cinder wagon]

Getting flesh tearer and spending a perk point on something else than serrated edges is better

[cinder wagon]

Thanks

[hollow ibex]

i mean you should take both

[dense belfry]

Chainsword?

[hollow ibex]

for bleed kife

yopu have to path through it anyway

or take field improv

but field improv is less useful for bleed knife

[dense belfry]

If it's bleed knife. Get uncanny and mercy killer instead.

You can literally 5 shot a crusher.

[hollow ibex]

mercy killer isn't very good

[cinder wagon]

Field improv is beneficial for the whole team

[hollow ibex]

fuck the team

the team benefits when i do more damage

FI just isn't useful on many builds

[dense belfry]

The team benefits from me being able to at least damage a crusher in a meaningful way.

Well, when my Krak runs out.

[hollow ibex]

knife with uncanny deletes crushers

regardless of what your second blessing is

[cinder wagon]

I don't need serrated edges to delete crushers

[dense belfry]

Wich is why it's good on serrated edge and mercy killer.

[calm shard]

IF they have corruption that doesn't get cleansed by some other source
IF the crates spawn when you need them
IFthere's a situation where you need to spam grenades

IF your team actually finds the damn crates to begin with

[hollow ibex]

it's called serrated blade

[calm shard]

serrated blade is always there every single time you touch an enemy

no ifs and or buts

[hollow ibex]

serrated blade + FT = 10 stacks of bleed

[calm shard]

hit enemy they take bleed for free extra damage

[hollow ibex]

10 stacks of bleed is a lot of damage

and couple that with an attack every half second

[dense belfry]

Too reliant on crit damage.

[hollow ibex]

what

[cinder wagon]

Usually I have the issue of there being more crates than team members

[dense belfry]

You heard.

[hollow ibex]

and why is that an issue?

are you not taking reciprocity?

does knife not have additional base crit chance?

are you not attacking like 20 times a second?

[dense belfry]

No. I'm taking Uncanny, Serrated Blade and Mercy killer so I can quickly rack up damage on Crushers.

[cinder wagon]

I could do it for sure, but I like having the additional safety net

[hollow ibex]

recip is a TALENT

not a blessing

[fair shale]

Normally I find one medi pack in a mission maybe.

[dense belfry]

Don't need it if you can concistantly get bleed.

[hollow ibex]

jfc

do i have to explain

how finesse works

post your build

why would you NOT take recip on a knife build 🤦‍♂️

[fair shale]

Why would you not take recip in general

Good talent.

[dense belfry]

Because i don't need the crits.

[hollow ibex]

literally hopeless

[dense belfry]

"This guy doesn't have a knife crit build, nyeeeh".

[cinder wagon]

Why'd you not need free damage

[dense belfry]

It's good against crushers anyway.

[dense belfry]

Because even without crits it 5 shots crushers.

It's also because I want to do more than crit.

[cinder wagon]

What's that mean

[hollow ibex]

this is flesh tearer knife against auric crusher

[dense belfry]

I have a build based entirely around crits already.

[hollow ibex]

hell i'm not even using precision strikes

so no boosts to weakspot damage at all

why don't you show us how your mercy killer setup does hmm?

[true jackal]

that doesn't particularly change if the talent is good or not

you want to use a knife dodge crits and bleed are what it do(on vet)

[cinder wagon]

Well, who am I to judge how you play

[hollow ibex]

turns out finesse weapons have massive fucking synergies with crit. who would've thunk!!

[cinder wagon]

As long as you enjoy it it's perfectly fine

[dense belfry]

Apparently, sirosky.

[true jackal]

maximize those things if you want to actually use it to it's full effect, but if you are not trying to max the knife then do what something else

[hollow ibex]

lol ok now we're falling back to the "but it's fun" card

that didn't take very long

[dense belfry]

Because It takes fucking ages to send clips from xbox.

[cinder wagon]

Yeah I just remembered that I don't like always picking the meta option and prefer to go with whatever I feel like going with

[hollow ibex]

bleed knife isn't even meta

so you can feel free to enjoy it

if i wanted to be meta slave

i'd be showing you a clip of PS6 3-tapping crusher

at 6500 dps

[hollow ibex]

lol i'm sure that's the only reason

if you want to post your build, i am happy to provide constructive feedback

[cinder wagon]

All I'm saying that I don't like convincing people to play my way, unless they are doing something truly abyssmal

[hollow ibex]

running knife without recip is pretty abysmal

[true jackal]

I play for fun mfs the second someone tells them a better way to do the same thing (it'll be just as fun if not more)

[hollow ibex]

i can't in good conscience not call that out lol

i could even overlook the use of MK even if i think it's not a good blessing

but ignoring crit on knife is... why i even play knife at that point

[dense belfry]

I'll structure it on games lantern.

Then you can be a snooty critic about it, happy? :]

[hollow ibex]

i mean if you want me to

or i can be nice

up to you

[true jackal]

ideally

do both

can be nice while giving constructive criticism

makes people listen better

[cinder wagon]

Have fun discussing knives, I'll do something else

[hollow ibex]

ngl after playing HIV

knife on vet feels so slow

[dense belfry]

I'd prefer it, really.

I don't like gettin heated.

[dense belfry]

Do you mean Desperado?

Because that's more in tune with the knife, I hear.

[dense belfry]

Sorry it took so long, Mercy Killer against Auric crusher.

[hollow ibex]

you usually take both

[dense belfry]

I'll edit my build a bit then.

I'll submit what it looked like before, tho.

Here's the build before I changed it.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a095b297-41b1-4c2c-b7cb-886a49166dc1/knife-bleeding

Knife isn't maxed out either.

[hollow ibex]

is this for auric?

[gentle lake]

Knife not maxxed out? Heresy

[dense belfry]

Yes, i do play on that.

None of my weapons are maxed out.

[dense belfry]

No, this is a casual build.

Cause i'm a casual.

[hollow ibex]

i'd suggest something like this instead

and 2 points for your preferred keystone

WS is prob the better pick over FT

since it seems like a melee focused build

bottom right is insanely strong for melee

[dapper coyote]

Guys

Usually dump stat is 60%

Right?

[true jackal]

ye

[dapper coyote]

For everything to be all 80%

[dense belfry]

Lowest possible, yes.

[dapper coyote]

Ok hold on

Statistical anomaly?

[dense belfry]

Don't say "what if everything was 70%?" or something. There's a reason dumb stats exist.

[dapper coyote]

Everything is 80%

[hollow ibex]

rounding error

i have a knife like that too

[dapper coyote]

Dumpstat is 61

Nice

[dense belfry]

Possibly the worst dump stat for that weapon.

[dapper coyote]

Im not buying that

Its melk stuff

Just browsing shit

[fair shale]

Its also a rounding error iirc

[dense belfry]

Melk will sell us the most golden hunk of shit ever.

[dapper coyote]

And nothing particularly worth it

[fair shale]

One of those 80s is actually 79

Same way a 400 3 stam is 2.9 stam iirc

[true jackal]

sour milk has had jack shit since launch

and I remember when that was how people had to farm for power cycler

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/cray-lost-it-gone-mad-going-mad-stressed-gif-5502030

i never got a perfect rashad

before the rework

[true jackal]

I think the only perfect I got was like a thunderhammer or something

and I tried really fucken hard to do that

[dense belfry]

What ranged weapon would you recommend for this?

Haven't settled on one yet.

[hollow ibex]

revolver, double barrel, maybe bistol

basically side arms with high upfront damage

in a single shot

[dense belfry]

Nice.

[hollow ibex]

that's if you're going weapon specialist

which has very strong synergies with knife

FT is more flexible but won't help knife as much

[dense belfry]

I see.

Thanks.

You're doing right by me, I can tell.

[hollow ibex]

knife enjoyers unite 🤝

[dense belfry]

Just got to grind a bit more, then it's can go for the more crit centered build.

Wasted my mastery points on US and MK.

[hollow ibex]

that's fine

uncanny is mandatory

and mk is also usable

at least you didn't focus on backstabs or something

[azure narwhal]

Serrated blade makes knife take roids

Uncanny + mercy killer is completely, utterly stupid

Fucking

Pocket zealot scourge but better

So good with the knife

[dense belfry]

Stupid as in "why the fuck would you try that?", Or is it "Crackhead stupid" where it's weirdly good.

[azure narwhal]

It's logically good

Serrated blade always procs bleed on hit

[dense belfry]

Is it just a suprise attack bonus...

In a horde shooter...

...that VETERAN can use?

[azure narwhal]

The moment you proc any form of bleed

Mercy killer does its job

Giving you +60% damage on weakspot

If i remembered the values right

So

Walk up to the crusher

Punch him in the face

And anything coming after is nuke damage

[humble drum]

Hey guys, if I put skull crusher on my shovel, does a boss with skull crusher on them get more damage from krak grenade?

[dense belfry]

What if I combine it with FT keystone?

[dense belfry]

What Mark of shovel?

[humble drum]

MK I

[azure narwhal]

This is more dependant on your ranged weapon really.

Like

Sure if you're knife + plasma

Focus target will do

[dense belfry]

Revolver.

[humble drum]

I prefer weap specialist with revolver

For free reloads

[dense belfry]

I prefer ws with DB... but that's another build entirely.

[hollow ibex]

revolver likes WS yeh

[azure narwhal]

That's an immediate WS

[hollow ibex]

you won't be able to stagger the boss

with shovel

so no

[azure narwhal]

Run WS with always prepared

[hollow ibex]

unless you have an arbi on your team with crusher + concussive

[azure narwhal]

Good playstyle for knife too

[hollow ibex]

then it can put bosses into a pseudo-stagger mode

[dense belfry]

Crit menace?

[azure narwhal]

Your dodges will take you to hell and back though so remember that, don't fall off

Knife dodges + WS is quite something

[azure narwhal]

Well vet has nice crit talents, WS promotes a hybrid/quickdraw playstyle with revolver

[dense belfry]

My mobility is a bit low, iirc...

[azure narwhal]

You knife stuff, you one tap the annoying gunner(s)/specials then you knife stuff again

[dense belfry]

Stuggles to fully kill a mutant i see... probably easier if it's running towards me.

[true jackal]

muties also just have fucken massive amounts of health and take bonus melee damage I believe

[dense belfry]

To be fair... it is a profane revolver.

That thing is BLANK.

[azure narwhal]

You can def kill em consistently with the right build + buffs

[azure narwhal]

Yeahhh

[fair shale]

I dont know of much that kills muties fast on higher havocs outside stuff like TH

By fast I mean one hits

[dense belfry]

Would you say Maniac and flack for this one?

[robust herald]

muties aren't that tanky

[true jackal]

they have a lot of hp last I checked

[robust herald]

if you have all your buffs going you should be able to kill it really quickly. even without

[fair shale]

They defo on the tankier end of enemies ime

[dense belfry]

I magdumped it and it usually has 10-20 hp left.

[robust herald]

what gun

[dense belfry]

Revolver XIV

[robust herald]

eeehhhh just sidestep heavy melee him and lightspam to death

muties are pushovers if you use melee

do you have the damage bonus on slide and sprint?

[tame lodge]

That's why you don't shoot them

They take 2.something times melee damage

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

[dense belfry]

I have no idea.

Either way, knife can probably kill it.

[robust herald]

check your talent tree on the bottom right

6.25% base damage bonus on slide/sprint, stacks up to 4 times

it's goated and is dependent on something you should be doing all the time anyways

[dense belfry]

I see sliding in combat as a quick way to die.

[robust herald]

it's not

[azure narwhal]

Not at all

Sliding is key for dodging gunfire

[robust herald]

ye

[dense belfry]

Can you dodge into a slide?

[azure narwhal]

Yes

[robust herald]

if you wanna get anywhere with melee you have to duck under

[robust herald]

yes

[dense belfry]

If so, it is a shame i can't look around and slide at the same time.

Controller.

[robust herald]

lol

you can on controller

I can do it

[dense belfry]

Claw grip?

[robust herald]

kinda

[humble drum]

Yes you can stagger with voice of command

[robust herald]

but not really

[dense belfry]

Sliding toggle?

[robust herald]

nah

or wait

yeah

crouch toggle

[hollow ibex]

yes yes, i'm talking about just with your weapon

[dense belfry]

I've got hold to crouch off.

Doesn't extend the slide duration tho.

[robust herald]

but yea ideally in combat you should be sliding that ass around like a dog on a fresh carpet

your chances of getting hit get significantly reduced when sliding

[robust herald]

it shouldn't

you don't need to hold the slide button

[dense belfry]

It only slides before I can look around.

[dense belfry]

It's how you extend the slide, yes?

[robust herald]

no? at least not from what I'm aware of

[dense belfry]

Did you not know you can extend the slide by holding the crouch button?

[sleek snow]

no it just initiates and slides a certain distance

[robust herald]

lemme have a look

cuz this is new to me

but like

even if you can extend slides by holding the button

you only really need to tap it

[dense belfry]

Just hold the slide button after running forward.

[robust herald]

I think it takes you like a very tiny amount further

however you completely lose your momentum and have to get back up

so just tap slide honestly

[dense belfry]

Useful for getting into cover.

[robust herald]

you automatically get back up

[dense belfry]

Just continue holding it and you'll toggle crouch

[robust herald]

dodge lol

but actually you should be tap sliding 90% of the time

you'll be able to look around then and make your life a lil easier

[gritty mural]

we should have a 4th veteran personality known as "The cadet" and he'll say corny lines like using the shovel in trenches or something

[dense belfry]

4th veteran voice and it's just Madmanfenrir.

[dense belfry]

Any recommendations for my revolver blessings and perks?

[true jackal]

surgical + hand cannon iirc but my info may be slighlty outdated

[tall torrent]

Point blank + surgical/run&gun on vet

Hand cannon doesn’t change its core 1 shot breakpoints

[true jackal]

gonna change mine to that then, does the other mk use different blessings (or is it just not worth using at all)

[tall torrent]

Run&gun + trickshooter

[azure narwhal]

What bath said, point blank + surgical are very good

I wish i had a bath

[tame lodge]

Trickshooter nowadays?

I am all in

[jaunty tinsel]

my wishlist 4th personality is a badass tacticool elite operator Codenames All The Time

[primal zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jelly-donut-police-gif-11469210

[rustic hemlock]

am i using plasma too much on non elite units, cause i feel like im always running out of ammo

that, or im just too used to mk12 recon lasgun with shocktrooper infinite ammo

[primal zealot]

yeaj

[sharp epoch]

only use it on snipers nothing else

[rustic hemlock]

but i want to melt heretics

[vagrant ibex]

Ehr fuck. I was getting ready to make a commissar build with vet, forced to farm to get to auric levels

I must fight in heresy mode

Idk why the game did not keep track of previous missions done with a character, I did a good number of aurics with my vet before

But hehhh I'll be able to farm the new weapons

[trail ore]

Did they change something about Krak grenades?

[jaunty tinsel]

you can carry more of them

[trail ore]

Nevermind. I'm using shredderrs.

Why did I think I'm using kraks.

[dry cloak]

you carry 1 more and they explode faster while doing more damage

[stark holly]

what are shredder and krak grenades used for? Is is basically shredder for clearing hordes of trash and krak for more heavily armored units?

[tame lodge]

Frags for everything

Kraks for big targets

[prime wyvern]

what does this talent mean by alternate fire

[stark holly]

i assume it means the special ammo

[dry cloak]

it means ads

of any kind

[stark holly]

oh that makes more sense

[prime wyvern]

this seems like a good talent then? I'm in for almost every shot

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[dry cloak]

But it eats your stamina very fast

Its usefull on some weapons

[prime wyvern]

its okay ive been hiding behind my 2-3 arbites every match so far

[dry cloak]

But not on everyone

Like deadshot is really good on lasweapons

And other weapons you can build around crits

Like boltpistol

Or revolver

[stark holly]

is there a way to create multiple weapon loadouts?
I would ideally like to have a different item loadout for each of my talent load outs, but idk if thats possible

[dry cloak]

Or vigilant autoguns

[dry cloak]

Right op corner in inventory plus symbol

[stark holly]

oops I'm dumb. Didnt notice that the loadout profile applied to both already.

[vagrant ibex]

.. Is Power Falchion any real good ?

[tame lodge]

Nope

[narrow torrent]

It’s ok, weaker than the usual options but can still work if you really want it to. Overall just mid.

If it clicks for you then it clicks for you which tends to matter more in the long run.

[vagrant ibex]

Of course. I tried again power sword, scandar is a bit meh

Would be fun if the game could introduce power axes

[quick shell]

not sure if im a huge fan of helbore. fire rate feels a bit slow for me

[tall torrent]

aim down sights or brace

[vagrant ibex]

You have an other variant of helbore for a faster rate of fire

[quick shell]

I guess?

[hollow ibex]

for mk iv you can use partial charges

and there's always mk v with weight of fire

[quick shell]

weight of fire?

ah

[hollow ibex]

blessing

[quick shell]

blessing

oh to be fair

I dont actually have any blessings or perks on the gun really

[hollow ibex]

well that would do it

[quick shell]

I'll stick with it until it's 20, get a proper one and see how it feels

ill run the mk5 until then i think

cant work out why the damage is low guys please help

[gentle lake]

empower.

[quick shell]

yes that's the joke

ok i swapped to mk5 for now and it felt a lot fucking better

[gentle lake]

ur mom is a joke

[winter kraken]

Important note implied but not explicitly said by talent: it stops working if ur out of stamina

[silent nexus]

How does that bar work?

[winter kraken]

Yellow is where it is currently, yellow-grey is where it will be when at max power level, go to hadron to empower it to bump all your numbers up slightly
All weapons cap out at 80% at most, or 60% at least, and have enough points for all stats bar one at 80, while the other is at 60 (or something in between like all 76s)

[robust herald]

the darkened bar is the max dmg it can reach once you hit 500 power

[silent nexus]

This might be a dumb question but what does the bar actually indicate? Ik it's damage but there's also numbers above it that i'm assuming are also damage

[winter kraken]

Its how "damage-y" the weapon is, its a modifier applied to the base damage of the weapon
The 0-80% is chosen kind of arbitrarily but an 80% damage gun will do more damage than a 0% damage gun of the same type, but a 0% damage plasma gun will still do more per shot than an 80% damage autopistol

Some guns are better than other guns that look the same, those bars are indicators of that and where their strengths lie

[silent nexus]

So basically,the percentage is just how good the gun is for it's type

[winter kraken]

Pretty much

[silent nexus]

Alr,ty

[robust herald]

sigh Fuck

[silent nexus]

What's the problem in the image?

[faint beacon]

Something something Hive Scum I assume

[silent nexus]

I've never played with a hive scum so i dont see a problem

[tame lodge]

Eat all the ammo

[faint beacon]

Hungry hungry hive scum

[silent nexus]

Why?

[tame lodge]

It's hive scum

Their default state is eating all the ammo

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-cookies-gif-19170472

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-black-cat-cattok-cat-tiktok-gif-16975015739671408900

Look at that neck lmao

[topaz scarab]

am sure those scrum of the earth will not hear a complaint from that kreig in the cornor

[hybrid plover]

Literally how

Who's actually eating ammo on hive scum

We need to talk

[hollow ibex]

i've seen players

that don't know pickpocket is a thing

[quick shell]

psword uses PC and sunder right?

[thorn lark]

Yes

[quick shell]

why is sunder taken now

[thorn lark]

Unyielding cara

For mixed horde

[quick shell]

well it used to be like pc slaughterer

[thorn lark]

It gives you a lot of cleave and it's the only way to go through cara iirc

It went from slaughterer rampage to pc slaughterer to pc bm to pc sunder

[quick shell]

and you dump cleave targets right

[thorn lark]

Yeah

[quick shell]

brunt was selling a 60% cleave targets just as i checked

huge

dont think i can ever get rid of my old one though

I rolled this back before the crafting changes

[thorn lark]

Nice lol

[quick shell]

slightly sad it's now kinda worthless, but still a great memory. it was the first and only psword i ever rolled

[thorn lark]

I sunk millions in ps and thammers

[quick shell]

ill show u the first thammer i rolled too

[narrow torrent]

Goes for non scum too. People keep trying to leave me ammo when I desperado scum.

[thorn lark]

People not hive scum not taking green stimm is something too

[thorn lark]

Holy

[quick shell]

the best bit?

I could've put thrust 4 on it once i had got it

because it rolled HT4

[thorn lark]

Yeah but people were pining hard for slaughterer

[quick shell]

yeah

unfortunately didn't get slaughterer, but I wasn't gonna complain

i had this for the OTHER variant

then I never used either because I didn't like them and I was too 2023 caxepilled

[thorn lark]

Thammer was never the same after the stunlock

[quick shell]

wdym

[stark holly]

why dump cleave targets instead of mobility?

[quick shell]

fuck if I know

That's just was told the standard is nowdays

[robust herald]

energized mode, the mode you should have on all the time, has hilariously high cleave

like cleave is not a problem whatsoever for the psword

all cleave targets does is cleave through more enemies... on the infinite cleave weapon

and 60% * infinity = infinity

[winter kraken]

Yeah I don't think I've ever noticed the psword Not Cleave

[robust herald]

ye

completely ignores hit mass iirc and is just amazing at cutting through hordes

[true jackal]

with the usual blessings you run on it, it ends up with 40 cleave while activated (give or take) that is about 40 pox walkers of cleave, anything beyond that is uh, overkill

[robust herald]

I'm not the biggest fan of the psword depending on the loadout personally tho because of the amount of involvement you need to make it work

like I would never in my life pair psword with helbore

[winter kraken]

I use psword on my grenadier builds cos its fun and I kinda main melee on those (bolt pistol for bigger grenade explosions is only a sometimes food)

[robust herald]

yea

but if it's like psword and recon lasgun? sure why not, recon needs very little effort to work

[quick shell]

the real challenge is hitting 40 poxwalkers in 1 go

[lyric path]

personal opinion but the power sword needs a heat build up mechanic

[austere mica]

Power Falchion

[quick shell]

i like the power sword as it is now a lot

in terms of like

it being an activate for multiple swings

[lyric path]

dogshit melee

[robust herald]

or just buff the power falchion

[quick shell]

unlike say, relic blade (activate for a duration) or thunder hammer (single hit)

[narrow torrent]

I prefer the Power Falchion mechanic I think.

[robust herald]

it only is multi swing if you use power cycler

[narrow torrent]

A shame it’s not stronger

[robust herald]

so it's more like thammer in that regard

[quick shell]

yep, but ur really gonna use psword without it for sure

[quick shell]

is the falcion like relic blade? activate and deactivate at will, has a heat bar?

[robust herald]

ye

[lyric path]

give the power sword the heat build up mechanic and personally i reckon it be balanced

[quick shell]

I think it's a cooler mechanic yep

[robust herald]

then you'd just have "falchion but better"

that's the problem

[quick shell]

I do like the psword for having a unique melee candance though

[robust herald]

psword is fine as is

[quick shell]

i dont think any other weapon plays like it

[robust herald]

falchion just needs a buff

[tame lodge]

💀

[quick shell]

LOL

[narrow torrent]

Yea, a bit of a buff and Falchion would be great

[robust herald]

seriously LOL

[lyric path]

dont give me that horse shit we all know the PS is stupidly busted but awkward to use

[narrow torrent]

At least it’s still usable if you like it enough

[robust herald]

falchion can cut through auric mael, I've done it. it's just not great for havoc and is kinda subpar in comparison to other melees

[tame lodge]

My kin on the imperium
"Balanced" is something that the power sword isn't

[narrow torrent]

I barely use my melee as a Veteran anyways

[tame lodge]

Giving it a heat mechanic

Will break the game (again)

[robust herald]

ye that's kind of the point

it's "the best melee in the game*"

* given that you're okay with activation every 3 hits

[narrow torrent]

Yea pretty much what I mean. It’ll do the job, and if it clicks with you you can take it pretty far.

[distant plaza]

what if it overheated on 3 swings?

[narrow torrent]

With great awkwardness comes great power

[robust herald]

god that would be hilarious

I like power sword but in VERY specific loadout contexts

like I'd never in my life use it with MMF Helbore because of how involved both of them are, it's a lot of hoops to go through just for good stats in a horde game where you need results fast

I rather take shovel, pfalch, or chainsword

[quick shell]

mmf helbore?

[robust herald]

marksman focus + helbore lasgun

marksman focus is the one where you need weakpoint kills to activate it

it does a lot of damage but it's suuuuuper involved which is why I feel like psword, at least for me, doesn't do well there

I prefer pfalchion for it

[tame lodge]

I still laughing thinking about the bro that thinks power sword with heat mechanic would be balanced

[quick shell]

if ur not using psword on vet

[tame lodge]

[quick shell]

what weapon are you using

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[robust herald]

shovel, pfalchion, chainsword, chainaxe, rashad, dsword

[quick shell]

is the chaxe any good nowdays?

[robust herald]

vet has plenty of great melee options and alternatives to psword

[robust herald]

it's amazing

[quick shell]

the...mk12? isnt it?

that's the heavy rip

[robust herald]

I've been running it lately and someone told me it's "the thammer of vet" and omg they're so right

stellar single target dmg

[quick shell]

how does it do into hordes

wait

is shovel actually good now?

[tame lodge]

No

[robust herald]

it's decent but I prefer pairing it with recon lasgun and frag grenades myself for that reason

[tame lodge]

Lol

[robust herald]

it's alright

[quick shell]

what other melees are good then, rashad sure

but i dont want to use it on literally everything

[robust herald]

I just like the shovel because of its fast attack speed that pairs well with bleed stacking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204429333972910091/1391989829344034957/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[robust herald]

taxe too

[quick shell]

hell will freeze over before I ever use knife or taxe

[robust herald]

that reminds me I reeeaaalllyyy wanna master taxe

I saw a scumbag use it and it looked like so much fun

[tame lodge]

Hope you have strong wrists

[quick shell]

yeah that's why i dont use them

i know some people use keep swigning

but i cant be fucked

[scarlet prism]

What’s the best blessings chain sword

Is it even any good rn?

[tame lodge]

Mid tier

Shred Rampage
Shred Wrath

[robust herald]

I do lol. I know taxe is a super spammy weapon

[lyric path]

just shut up

[tame lodge]

Why?

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[lyric path]

literally cunt just shut up tried pitching an idea an ya laughing at it

[tame lodge]

[lyric path]

legit just shut the actual fuck up

[tame lodge]

Maybe later

[lyric path]

if you must know i was using the power falchion for a while but decided to switch back to my chainsword since it seems the power falchion at least to me is crap at horde clearing

[tame lodge]

Good choice

Chainsword is one of the best horde clearing weapons around

[lyric path]

cunt what did i just say SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK UP

[tame lodge]

You gotta realize

[lyric path]

NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION

[tame lodge]

That you're just words on a screen

You have no power over me

So no

I'll not shut up

Because that's all you are

Words

On

A

Screen

[true jackal]

that goes vice versa too, not worth getting pissy over

[quick shell]

wait is this peak ragebait in real time

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-skate-board-gif-778367011615093516

[scarlet prism]

😭

[true jackal]

anyway, I am trying to figure out how to use the DB on vet properly

any advice I hear people talk about it being quite fun, but I can never make it click

[scarlet prism]

I’m assuming db works well on weapon specialist right?

At least I think

[tame lodge]

Perfectly so

[true jackal]

more trying to figure out the playing of it rather then build

[tame lodge]

Usually paired with Manstopper

[lyric path]

personally it give me endless joy to see this prick dead and i dont care if this comment gives me a timeout or banned

[true jackal]

is it using manstopper + ws garentee crit

[tame lodge]

Because the guaranteed CRIT of WS

Yup

[scarlet prism]

🙁

[true jackal]

gonna swap to flechhete then over scattershot

feels like the bleed might be what I need

[scarlet prism]

Is there still the keystone that can give you a third shot for the db

[true jackal]

uh the locked and loaded talent maybe

it's rounded up so I assume so

[scarlet prism]

I remember when it first got added I ran that talent a lot with it

[quick shell]

ok so

[scarlet prism]

But I’m not the best at the quick swap playstyle

[quick shell]

The helbore damage feels good

but the fire rate is very low

It doesn't feel like it beats the powersword vs tanky targets

and it feels like against squishy specialists there's other guns that could be swapped to faster and then used

and the damage gap is likely not important

[true jackal]

which hellbore are you using?

[quick shell]

Mk5 atm

the fast firing one

[true jackal]

I was gonna say maybe try that one, but I think I came to the same conclusion when I have tried to use the helbore

[quick shell]

yeah idk

the damage feels good

but the fire rate is slow

if the psword didn't absolutely fuck armour up in melee

it'd maybe have a point

but also the plasma exists too

[mystic pilot]

Does the charged shot from hellbore hit more than one target if they're bunched up? It feel like that to me.

[quick shell]

I'll admit my helbore is pretty shit, but this doesn't really feel like a damage issue

[tame lodge]

3 cleave

[quick shell]

it feels like a design issue

[true jackal]

it do be a precision weapon in a horde shooter

[quick shell]

yeah

It feels satisfying to use

but like, little shooters too

[mystic pilot]

Guides I saw day hellbore is basically for tougher targets and sniping nocs

[quick shell]

yeah but as I've mentioned

psword exists

[true jackal]

little shooters also a horde tbh

[quick shell]

yeah that's what i mean

5+ little shooters appear and suddenly it's a long time to chew through them at range

it feels like just walking up, pulling out a sword and going on with that would be faster

and more practical

[tame lodge]

You're also using the weak ass mark smh

Instead of the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[quick shell]

but the damage doesn't feel like an issue

[tame lodge]

Which is the Mk4

[quick shell]

the damage is good

the issue is it's slow as molasses

[scarlet prism]

I would enjoy playing with it if it had a good sight

[tame lodge]

Although I do like your mindset

"just walk over and stab them"

[quick shell]

wdym?

[tame lodge]

[quick shell]

oh

zealot main

yeah idk

I want to get some ranged weapons on vet other than the plasma

but like

what else am i gonna use

[split swan]

Want to try using power sword with a weapon specialist build using revolver - which mark and what perks/blessings?

[quick shell]

I guess I could start levelling a db

[modest stag]

which helbore is the best?

[tame lodge]

Up to preference

Mk3 is all arounder

Mk5 is faster charge but lower damage per shot

And Mk4 (my favorite) slow charge but the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[quick shell]

help me out here like

I feel like I'm missing something

that or people are tunneling on "helbore high damage per shot"

what other guns are good for vet then

Db, plas, helbore

anything else?

[tame lodge]

Recons

[scarlet prism]

Bolter?

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 infantry auto gun

Bolter yeah

[quick shell]

are the recons actually good?

[tame lodge]

Decent yes

Vigilants

Laspistol

Shotgun

[quick shell]

just say everything

[scarlet prism]

Vigilants?

[tame lodge]

[quick shell]

vigilant autoguns

[scarlet prism]

Yeah they’re good now?

[tame lodge]

Infantry Lasgun is kinda eh atm

Always have been

But yeah just

Hit heads

[quick shell]

what an unreasonable expectation

[tame lodge]

They went from 2 shotting maulers on body shot

To 4 shotting body shot

But hey headshots are supposed to be more rewarding nowadays

So basically

Bolt pistol
Infantry Lasgun
Shredder Auto Pistol

Are the bottom liners for vet

[scarlet prism]

Whaaaat I love boot pistol💔

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's weird because it does have a important role on grenadier builds

Shredder Auto Pistol has a place

Just Infantry Lasgun is hard to justify

[hollow ibex]

hey bistol and SAP are good on some builds

[tame lodge]

Heeeeey
I just said that

[hollow ibex]

you said bottom liners

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1437197478964367480/78E2901.MP4?ex=693f30f4&is=693ddf74&hm=529a0db418bac1456544246def7d7a5866b0474b684bcd3f1f6fbd71b55ae955&

this bottom liner performance to you?

[quick shell]

what's the crosshair mod?

[hollow ibex]

crosshair remap

[scarlet prism]

Idc how objectively bad it could be, I’d still use it because it’s cool lol

[hollow ibex]

bistol's basically this game's deagle

though it feels like shit most of the time

you either need to run it with WS for crits

or have a dedicated range spec

bizarre balancing decision but i don't run fatshart

[tame lodge]

Yes

3 shot crushers instead of 1

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[tame lodge]

Even the mk12 lasgun can 3 shot crushers

Wait

[distant plaza]

👀

[tame lodge]

Are they able to now?

Because crushers got hp buff

[robust herald]

do people turn with their swings because of how the cleave works?

[true jackal]

sometimes

usually not worth the effort though

it's funny with the power sword i'd imagine

[robust herald]

because I was experimenting in psykh and noticed I hit much more enemies if I turn as I swing along the direction

which made me wonder if that's tech

[true jackal]

I think it some what is

it's just very few weapons have the cleave and attack angles to justify doing

[robust herald]

yea

[true jackal]

power sword really the only one I can think off

[scarlet prism]

How are the braced autoguns

[tame lodge]

Not great

But like

They are supposed to be spray and pray

And they do that

So it's eh

With executioners stance you can reduce their spread

Fun shooting

[barren nexus]

guys for shovel what should i be going for 60% def or mobility

[topaz scarab]

finally, some decent drip

[scarlet prism]

That’s sick

I wish some of the penance chests for vet were more symmetrical and weren’t missing a glove, shoulder armor, etc

[topaz scarab]

yea

also should i even upgrade this thing

the amount just to make the charge rate decent prob would bankrup me

[formal ice]

Lazy

[topaz scarab]

what you mean lazy

[hollow ibex]

back to the grind varlet

[topaz scarab]

[mystic pilot]

How are the semi auto shotguns?

[scarlet prism]

I like them

My fav is the one with a slug

[hollow ibex]

agri and zarona are very strong

assatran not so much

[mystic pilot]

Whats wrong with that?

Oh accatran?

[hollow ibex]

barely got buffed

while zarona/agri got pretty significant buffs

[true jackal]

what do you run on the zarona?

I know agri like full bore and no respite

[mystic pilot]

Were there other weapons that didn't get a good pass at buffs?

[true jackal]

the entire weapon class of braced autoguns lol

[mystic pilot]

Oh

[true jackal]

they are still fine, just haven't kept up like some others

[topaz scarab]

whats the best way to grind these two

[scarlet prism]

I imagine the braced autos are decent on scum

[topaz scarab]

and pls god not the mortis trial

[true jackal]

it's suprisingly eh

mainly in comparison to other similar weapons

[hollow ibex]

desp agri is pretty good

[hollow ibex]

either high havoc or just whatever difficulty level you can reliably beat

[scarlet prism]

Honestly I enjoy mortis trials

I think they’re pretty fun

[topaz scarab]

full lobby sure

[normal burrow]

lowk... If you AREN'T playing Veteran, what are you doing

all my veteran hbs standup

[tame lodge]

Playing zealot

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-in-suit-black-guy-suit-black-guy-in-suit-edit-gif-8596239401420786827

[scarlet prism]

Veteran and zealot are the ones I play the most but I’m starting to play ogryn and psyker

I can’t make a decent build for psyker to save my life tho

[mystic pilot]

Well i got kreig clothes for my veteran

[scarlet prism]

Sick

[hollow ibex]

there's a lot of psyker builds in the class pins

[mystic pilot]

I nabbed that big discounted bundle which was enough for the first krieg veteran costume and a vox caster backpack

[hollow ibex]

the discount bundle is pretty sweet

[mystic pilot]

Will save up for that legacy of vrak hellbore skin though

[scarlet prism]

You right

[mystic pilot]

Especially with that front hooded sight

[barren nexus]

guys these stats good?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

i prefer to dump mobility on mk1 shovel personally

but it's splitting hairs

[formal ice]

Mobility dump better

[hollow ibex]

dumping defense is perfectly fine

[formal ice]

Gamble again

Also hello Sirosky the nerd guy

We almost never talk

[hollow ibex]

paths the nerd guy

[formal ice]

I cannot understand that

Speak in not nerd

[scarlet prism]

The punch up ragebait was pretty funny lol

Which shovel mark is generally the best pick

[tame lodge]

Mk1

[scarlet prism]

So the anti armor flip shovels aren’t good?

[hollow ibex]

mk3 is decent/fun

but mk1's the best overall

[slender elm]

how are you supposed to deal with specials on a double barrel

[primal zealot]

shoot em

[slender elm]

what about snipers

[hollow ibex]

shoot em

[vivid bolt]

Shoot them.

[dapper coyote]

Shoot em and the pellets will be guided by the Emperor and the omnissiah

[vivid bolt]

Cmon

[slender elm]

ok then

[dapper coyote]

THE LEX IS PERSON?

OGRYN IS HAPPY TO FINALLY SEE YOU!

[scarlet prism]

Is good to see you, sah

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-slide-crouch-drennt-gif-16208176206711016442

[vivid bolt]

😭😭😭

my irl name being lex works so well don’t it

[dapper coyote]

It is lmao

[scarlet prism]

Does anyone prefer the aoe bistol mark to the normal one

[hollow ibex]

nope

[scarlet prism]

lol

[true jackal]

heard it's fun on scum

not so much on vet

[dapper coyote]

Its just a cope GL gun

[scarlet prism]

I like the aoe bolter though

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

better than the aoe bistol on vet

but either way i don't think they should have reduced ammo counts

[scarlet prism]

Yeah that’s the part I don’t get

[dapper coyote]

Yea like what the fuck

[scarlet prism]

It’s already less damage

[dapper coyote]

Why do you need reduced ammo and already less dmg

[scarlet prism]

They must be overestimating the importance of the aoe

[hollow ibex]

peak fatshart balancing

[dapper coyote]

Fucking true

[true jackal]

is on your toes worth picking up under WS

[dapper coyote]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

it's a decent alternative to o4b

[dapper coyote]

As long as you proc alot

You'll get a good amount of toughness

[true jackal]

the stamina one isn't particularly worth it though yes

[dapper coyote]

Yea

[scarlet prism]

Is the fanning revolver good on vet

[dapper coyote]

Yes

You'll need a blessing for it to be accurate in hipfire tho

Specifically run n gun

[scarlet prism]

Is it worth picking over the ads revolver

[dapper coyote]

Both are nice, its just alternatives

[hollow ibex]

it's a meme

[dapper coyote]

VETERAN WITH A BIG IRON ON HIS HIP

[hollow ibex]

i still remember missing a shot at a sniper at 12m when the cursor was directly on the sniper

because i had just dodged

and didn't let the bloom settle

[tame lodge]

Only for boss damage

[vivid bolt]

Now it’s a matter of guessing what caused my name 😹

[upper dock]

I thought plasma gun worked if I updated my graphics drivers

I got wrecked that mission because I couldnt pull out my gun

[scarlet prism]

Janktide

[small acorn]

Are you guys also expressing the plasma gun bug where it gets glitchy as you’re aiming and about to shoot

[hollow ibex]

plasma is pretty glitchy rn from all accounts

[robust herald]

what's the bolt pistol dump?

[hollow ibex]

collat

[robust herald]

wb blessings?

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox and puncture typically

[robust herald]

aight

[brisk epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zoNyFRPOrcE that one veteran build with insane dmg dropping and getting millions of views be like this bruh

[stark holly]

which one?

[brisk epoch]

mayber the bolters

mostly boltgun and recon alsgun

[stark holly]

oh I thought you were referencing something specific

[topaz scarab]

wish they didnt make this dang thing blue

like

what am i surpose to fit with this beside its own armor set

[tawny timber]

UN peacekeeper

it does go hard with its own armor tho

[topaz scarab]

yea but the armor and legging is 3 page down the pennant page

[floral creek]

Is this worth getting? Or is base specialist enough?

[slender elm]

plasma is fucked

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pikbm7/psa_plasma_gun_as_of_this_hotfix_will_completely/

goddamnit

im playing on geforce now and every time i fire my plasma i immediately get 0 frames for a second

cant even aim

[strange crow]

It’s def worth it over out for blood if you have the talent point, but usually confirmed kill + ability is enough

[dapper coyote]

Yes

A very good toughness dispenser

[stark holly]

why do most guides for heavy laspistol dump stability instead of mobility?

[dapper coyote]

Because its a lasgun

Fuck stability, lasguns have no to little fucking recoil whatsoever

[slender elm]

i mean, you want mobility on a pistol anyhow because its a mobility weapon

[stark holly]

I see, I guess that makes sense.
But doesnt stability also reduce the random swaying during ADS

[dapper coyote]

Yes, but its a laspistol, shits already stable

[floral creek]

Thank you, I run kraks but got rid of the extra grenade talent for On Your Toes

[cyan verge]

have they changed vet at all

or is it still the damn same

[strange crow]

Since when?

[cyan verge]

um... uh... let me just count and do the math... um... since arbites released

but given you didn't say "yes a lot" or "the rework just came out" I am guessing that's a no

[floral creek]

Don't tell them what happened to veteran, zealot and psyker in Bound By Duty.

[strange crow]

Talent tree rework did indeed come out

For the three classes Jegg mentioned

We now have a lot fewer tax nodes and a lot more damage

[cyan verge]

wao

ima look

[floral creek]

All they really needed were nodes to be moved around and connected

[cyan verge]

oh they changed marksman's focus so it doesn't decay on movement now

sweet

wow longshot is +10% ranged damage always? is this a good talent now???

holy shit this new tree is fantastic

[floral creek]

And it's not just shredder default anymore

[cyan verge]

huh, why

is krak bigger + more damage now

smokes kind of had usage case in havoc

[tall torrent]

It’s much better than before but it can still use some improvements

[cyan verge]

oh hey

yeah I am sure

[tall torrent]

New vet tree is basically illusion of choice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1440127153697062993/Screenshot_2025-11-16_222036.png?ex=693f4d6d&is=693dfbed&hm=b029ecba8f4f7658bd143b1df87d1b2a529052abb2bb63ee67e8447059ee560e&

[cyan verge]

still voice of command weapon specialist or whatever?

[tall torrent]

VoC not only good vet ult anymore

Exe stance is roughly equal

Infil still needs help tho

[cyan verge]

also thank u for the tree

also that is missing 7 points, is this like "take what you want"

[tall torrent]

WS is best keystone overall but u can usually choose between WS/FT at same point cost roughly

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s based on what weapons u have

[cyan verge]

cool

[tall torrent]

Well it’s more like