#veteran-class

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tacit sonnet
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There are few things terrible outside of havoc

sonic skiff
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yeah but 6 crit dead boss funny

little path
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and at the top you can choose between out for blood or the othe one

full salmon
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What perk should I activate

strange crow
tacit sonnet
strange crow
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The right one sucks

full salmon
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Tactical Reload doesnt seem to get used much mhmmm

topaz scarab
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really?

strange crow
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Tac reload is weapon dependent

little path
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Tactical reload is only for specific guns

topaz scarab
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i use it cause the bolter is a bitch to wait

fair shale
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I only use it with combat shotguns or the bolter tbh

little path
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yeah what everyone else said

full salmon
little path
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tactical reload only gets used for bolter and shotguns

topaz scarab
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i mean

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any weapon that use a mag is good with it

tacit sonnet
topaz scarab
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so really

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any freakin veteran weapon

little path
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it's technically good

tacit sonnet
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Why would you want to revive team at the cost of 50% more cooldown

little path
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it's just not good enough to always take

tacit sonnet
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When you could just make everyone basically invulnerable more often

strange crow
full salmon
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25% extra reload speed is a need guy?

little path
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no

tacit sonnet
full salmon
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Oh

tacit sonnet
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It's 100% facts

little path
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only for like bolters

topaz scarab
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what

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i have both

full salmon
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Plasma no need that?? ight ight

little path
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plasma gun you're not reloading that often

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at least, you shouldn't be

topaz scarab
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also, i really though you could get every perk in that skill tree

little path
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and you can typically just choose to reload when it's safer

tacit sonnet
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never use revive shout

topaz scarab
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why not

tacit sonnet
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Cause it's terrible

little path
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make the cooldown longer, that's it

topaz scarab
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it litearlly the best oh shit my team is down and i need to rush to em

little path
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and reduced radius

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if you shout you can just revive your teammate

tacit sonnet
little path
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because the shout knocks everything over

full salmon
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What about confirmed kill, Replenjsh 10% toughness seems a lot

tacit sonnet
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You could've just shouted before they died and they wouldn't have died

strange crow
tacit sonnet
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it's this simple

little path
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@full salmon confirmed kill is very good

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but there's the minor issue that it doesn't work well unless you're in like

full salmon
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I dont see it in your vet build so Im just wondering

little path
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havoc 10+

topaz scarab
little path
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because elites and specials are spammed nonstop

tacit sonnet
little path
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so for lower level stuff out for blood is a little easier to get use out of

full salmon
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Whats like havoc 10+ again I dont get it

little path
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havoc is the end game game-mode

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basically like ranked

strange crow
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Special extra difficulty after you beat an auric maelstrom

tacit sonnet
topaz scarab
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also, anyone getting lag spike when using the plasma

little path
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it starts at base auric maelstrom difficulty (the highest you can get to on the big ass console in the middle)

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at havoc 1

topaz scarab
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what a weird thing to have

tacit sonnet
little path
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and then it scales up to 40

strange crow
tacit sonnet
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neither plasma or psyker explode from overheating

topaz scarab
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guess il be sticking to the bolter

tacit sonnet
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and it causes lag spikes

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just don't overheat

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and it won't lag

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I think

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At least that's how it works on psyker

topaz scarab
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isnt the point is that overheat = more damge

tacit sonnet
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no, overheat = instant death

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literally

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it't just bugged right now

topaz scarab
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never had that happen

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or do you mean the lag kill me

tacit sonnet
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You want to have heat for blessings that scale with heat

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but overheating is death

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no

little path
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you have to actively choose to overheat with the plasma gun

tacit sonnet
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It literally kills you

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if you overheat, you explode and die

little path
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you literally need to use a charged shot while at 99% to do it

full salmon
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Leave no one behind does give some good buff

topaz scarab
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huh, usually i just ran out of ammo before it blow up

little path
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if you use a normal uncharged shot your vet just vents a bit instead

full salmon
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šŸ¤”

little path
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leave no one behind is great

tacit sonnet
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trying to overheat with light shots will automatically cool you

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And that's causing lag spikes I think?

strange crow
little path
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you can drop trench figher for it if you want

full salmon
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Ight ihht

little path
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or close quarters killzone

tacit sonnet
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If you have a good enough pc

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psyker is op right now

topaz scarab
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lmao

little path
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psyker has been op for a long ass time

topaz scarab
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yea

tacit sonnet
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just get fire trauma without empyric resolve

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and boom

topaz scarab
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psyker need to be able to become a hellspawn

tacit sonnet
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The best class in the game

tacit sonnet
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and maybe ogryn

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but he got nerfed a little bit

strange crow
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Ogryn been nerfed lol

little path
topaz scarab
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hive scum rpg exist really make every veteran weapon lineup usless

austere mica
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Psyker is and always will be the best

little path
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psyker is arguably the strongest class rn

topaz scarab
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seriouly

austere mica
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For like 7 reasons

tacit sonnet
austere mica
topaz scarab
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who think giving crack head a rpg that can 1 shot almost all enemy ingame a good idea

austere mica
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They just are

tacit sonnet
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but psyker is not op

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psyker is just perfect

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except for the glitch

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gotta have that figured out and fixed

little path
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what bug are you talking about?

tacit sonnet
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You can't explode

topaz scarab
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am guessing the one that lag the shit out of your game

tacit sonnet
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Except purg

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purg still explodes you

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other staves do not

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they are free to use

little path
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are you doing it in the psykanium?

tacit sonnet
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if your pc is good enough

tacit sonnet
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You just don't explode

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at all

little path
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goofy

tacit sonnet
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it lags like hell

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but you don't explode

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no need to quell ever

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other than to reduce lag

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lol

narrow torrent
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My biggest complaint is that you literally canā€™t see anything when aiming down sights while shooting the recon lasgun. The laser effects block your view entirely KEKW_ogryn

fiery patrol
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its not exactly a precision tool šŸ˜…

narrow torrent
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Yea but itā€™s a pain when Iā€™m trying to help my team by picking off gunners at range

fiery patrol
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just spray n pray šŸ™ it cleaves enough to not be an issue unless they are really far away but then its just the wrong tool for the job, no?

narrow torrent
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Well yeah, but having it so that you canā€™t see what youā€™re shooting when ADSā€™ing due to particle effects is just bad design.

civic frost
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And if your actively trying to kill ranged targets at a long distance i would assume you are tap firing where the effects wouldn't overwhelm you no?

tacit sonnet
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You only need to aim if you're trying to shoot for long periods of time

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like killing a boss

uneven acorn
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how is the new power falchion
wasn't there when I last played the game but it seems like most people think it's mid?

hollow ibex
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confirmed mid

mystic lodge
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Psyker is the minimum effort, maximum results class

sour harness
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Latest patch borked plasma gun, just ran a havoc 40 as plasma vet and every time i fired the gun I got massive frame drops/stutter, I was literally unable to use it throughout the mission (we won btw). Not sure what it is, but plasma gun is unplayable ATM (I'm running a 4090 and 7800x3D btw... rest of the game runs fine - it's purely a plasma gun firing bug)

mellow halo
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which combat shotty mark good?

tall torrent
sour harness
mystic lodge
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I know Darktide's Recon Lasgun is inspired by EDF's Blazer but I cant prove it

mellow halo
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is +carapace +flak damage good on psword?

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it doesn't feel like it does a lot of single target damage

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should I use my ranged weapon for that?

fiery patrol
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dude i thought the same. but the powered block attack is hilariously strong

mellow halo
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oh I haven't done tried that actually

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also which blessings are good to put on it

fiery patrol
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like one shotting crushers strong

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the more power strikes per charge is a must

mellow halo
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oh what the hell

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I was unaware of your game psword

fiery patrol
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same same lmao

tall torrent
fiery patrol
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also make sure to use the mark where that block attack is a stab

mellow halo
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ahh okay

agile mortar
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Check this out

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sharp epoch
fiery patrol
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well depends on the dif ofc but its three hits max on auric

topaz lance
limber bane
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since the plasma gun nukes your game can any h40 players here recommend me a good specialist sniper for melee vet

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bolt pistol feels underwhelming

topaz lance
limber bane
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yeah revolver with wep specialist has been working nicely

livid fractal
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anyone got a build for ye olde counterfire

topaz lance
unreal nova
tame lodge
limber bane
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hellbore?

tame lodge
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The Helbore

limber bane
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do people actually use this for h40

tame lodge
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Yeah why wouldn't they

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Infinite ammo hard hitter

limber bane
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idk I'm just asking, what blessings/perks?

tame lodge
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Surgical + Weight of Fire/ Falter/ Sustained Fire

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If you take Mk4 you usually go Unyielding + Carapace

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Big game hunting

limber bane
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what do you dump on it?

tame lodge
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Stability

limber bane
tame lodge
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Which one

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Shotgun?
Revolver?

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On the revolver is hand Cannon + point blank/surgical

crude widget
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Am I crazy for saying zealot is obsolete

tame lodge
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Yeah but not too far off

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Their talents are fine

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The weapons need a small bump

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But calling it obsolete is a bit too crazy

topaz lance
tame lodge
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They also excel at killing carapace

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It's why Path calls them Krak Cosplayer

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(the same way I call Arbites Trauma staff cosplayer)

crude widget
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But I see myself as veteran melee replacing that role

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And sometimes the 2 other players would be a pro arbite, psyker or scum which carries me in heresy level lol

tame lodge
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Zealot does everything on melee

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From horde clearing to single target damage

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They don't have much ranged buffs so the best way for them to do stuff is melee

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It would be fair to call them "killer melee Frontliner"

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Veteran has the power sword which is just the better melee

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It's why zealots melee could get a small bump

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Vet is just the better class atm

limber bane
tame lodge
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It's up to preference with Helbore

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Mk3 is the all arounder

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Mk4 is the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game but the slower to charge

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Mk5 is the faster charge on but less damage per shot

limber bane
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mk5 falls just short of one tapping gunner heads

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with flak + maniac

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so I guess mk5 with unarmoured + maniac is the way to go?

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or mk4 with flak + carapace

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to one tap scab gunners and plasma gunners

silk elbow
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if I take enchanced target priority, will my team killing those enemies still increase my duration or?

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for executioners stance I mean

strange crow
tame lodge
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Nope

strange crow
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Itā€™s something that should get changed ngl

tame lodge
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But your team will see them as long as you keep executioners up

calm shard
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and then do nothing about them as teammates do

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luckily you have wallhacks and a big "one shots anything you point at" gun

silk elbow
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I just had my first round running executioners stance and it was a mess lol

I had 3 arbites, there were no specials left for me to kill

calm shard
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you're an exe vet you should be running circles around arbites in terms of special kills

silk elbow
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I normally play psycher or arbites or zealot

molten cedar
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No Ogryn love...

silk elbow
molten cedar
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Ah

silk elbow
# molten cedar Ah

I like being cute and just dont get that from ogryns
they seem fun to play

molten cedar
tame lodge
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Yeah

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It's like

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A really really ugly dog

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Lovely

silk elbow
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I do see that

scarlet prism
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Would anyone else like to see a helhgun added to vet

tame lodge
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Only if we get a heavy stubber as well

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I personally like bullets more than laser shows

azure narwhal
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They wouldn't be hard to conceptualize either

scarlet prism
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I thought stubbers were an ogryn specific weapon in the lore

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Im prolly wrong

tame lodge
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Stubber is a designation for basically 20-21st century weapons

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So a SAW is considered a heavy stubber of sorts

topaz lance
azure narwhal
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So.. quite similar to the real lofe counterparts

azure narwhal
tame lodge
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Give Ogryn a Browning .50

topaz lance
tame lodge
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And it'll be really funny

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That Browning survived 40k years

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And it's Ogryn-proof

scarlet prism
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Iā€™d like a plasma pistol but I donā€™t think itā€™d have a purpose because of the bolt pistol existing

topaz lance
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Honestly there is not a lot of space left for really unique feeling ranged weapons imo

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We have some (pseudo) sniping options, lots of full auto stuff and anything in between

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Grenade launcher is one type of weapon I'd like to see. Other than that... crossbow? I dunno.

tame lodge
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It's really funny because crossbow is an actual option

native hamlet
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what if we get a bayonet with a gun attached to it

tame lodge
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Even sororitas has a boltergun with crossbow attached to it

topaz lance
topaz lance
scarlet prism
tame lodge
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Other is toxin

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(I doubt toxin will be available to other classes)

scarlet prism
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Or another mark for the plasma gun that canā€™t charge shots, but you can use ads and it shoots faster

hearty snow
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is there really no way to slap a scope onto the hellbore lasgun

scarlet prism
azure narwhal
# topaz lance I don't see the point

Jokes aside. I think it's for variety's sake. Being in a 40K game, it's expected that the arsenal should be large and compromise should not exist. Having pseudo-something is nice and all, but why not have the actual thing, in one of the lore richest fantasies out there

azure narwhal
hearty snow
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oh it's only for modded darktide?

azure narwhal
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Yes but there's no such thing as modded darktide

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Unlike vt2

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You can play with whatever mods you please

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In public lobbies

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It's not a seperate modded realm

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Unfortunately whatthefuck_heresy

hearty snow
azure narwhal
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Update broke a lot of stuff

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Including the game itself

topaz lance
topaz lance
azure narwhal
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Realistically yeah of course

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They cannot add a large scale of weapons in that way

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Becsuse darktide is a gameplay heavy 40k game

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Which is rare

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Or well, gameplay focused i should say.

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The genre as a whole seems to be shifting to the new or even outside of the hobby target audiences

mellow halo
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meltagun...

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šŸ¤¤

fiery patrol
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whats the damage treshhold when a hit ticks blue, like on carapace?

tame lodge
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Yes

topaz scarab
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Finally got long bomb

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Why is the helmets the hardest one to get bruh

lethal goblet
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gotta do no mans land mission correct with a shovel and a helbore lasgun if we going over the top

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insert blackadder last season gif here

distant estuary
quick shell
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what makes the helbore so good? special/elite oneshotting?

hollow ibex
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very high damage, infinite ammo

quick shell
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infinite ammo as in, huge ammo pool?

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are you still charging it

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i remember a few years ago it was pretty sucky

hollow ibex
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literally infinite ammo, due to shock trooper (no ammo used on crit)

quick shell
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oh

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oh that's neat

hollow ibex
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it's a crit gun + shock trooper

quick shell
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ok that's cool then

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ill have to look up a setup for one

hollow ibex
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what i use, though a bit of a meme build lol

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but the talent tree works for more conventional helbore setups

quick shell
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meme setup howso

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
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Helbore is meant to be played as a surgical precision weapon

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And here I am using it as an oversized recon las

tame lodge
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Not as a side grade of infantry lasgun

hollow ibex
quick shell
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that's

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that's a thing

hollow ibex
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Yeah if you want a more conventional setup use mkiv instead

quick shell
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question, why are you running that node on exe and not the increased duration one?

quick shell
hollow ibex
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mk iv also nukes everything

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Just much slower

hollow ibex
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I just like shooters because I always have my gun out and there's always shooters to put down

quick shell
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yueah that makes sense

real loom
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Vet is a top 5 class

tame lodge
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Yeah top 2

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I agree

fair shale
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When I play the class? Top 1. When you play the class? Top 6.

tame lodge
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Don't worry

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The best class is always on the next patch

spare cobalt
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Do you guys think itā€™s a good idea for Infiltrate to be a team buff ability? Where allies in coherency enter into stealth together with Vet?

woven hazel
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hey guys i need a torch on some maps so I wanted to run infantry autogun. is it good for specilists nad unarmored elites? I play arbites what MK and blessings/perks would u reccomend

tame lodge
spare cobalt
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Also, Execution Stance should also get an increase stagger buff to make it as good as Shout. Somewhere around +10% stagger to range weapon

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Or add in suppression buff/immunity with allies within coherency.

tame lodge
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Dumdum + Deathspitter/Raking Fire

tame lodge
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It already does

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100% stagger btw

woven hazel
tame lodge
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Infantry Autogun just does Shredder Auto Better

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Except for mobility

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It's like Vraks5 vs Vraks5 lite

woven hazel
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ah I see

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yeah ill go with that then

spare cobalt
# tame lodge Uh

Only seeing dmg increase and weak spot dmg increase on the wiki page

tame lodge
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Ah yes

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Wiki

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Gimme a sec

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Welcome to Fatshark

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They don't tell you good amount of stuff

spare cobalt
tame lodge
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Yeah that's Kuli's guide
You can trust Kuli

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šŸ«”

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Oh yeah because Fatshark doesn't tell us a good amount of stuff

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There's a lot of misinformation out there

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Which fuckin sucks but that's that

hoary gorge
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what's the dump stat on the helbore

tame lodge
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Stability

hoary gorge
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and in terms of the assault chainsword it's mobility?

spare cobalt
hoary gorge
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which mark do i go with for the helbore

spare cobalt
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Unless they redo mobility stats, where you gain an extra dodge bar if you have a higher stat in mobility.

spare cobalt
tame lodge
hoary gorge
tame lodge
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As a damage freak myself I go Mk4 because it's the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

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Slower charge

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Mk3 is all arounder, good damage, good charge speed

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Mk5 is the fastest charge but slower damage per shot

hoary gorge
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feeling ready for the trenches if i do say so myself

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tame lodge
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Mk3 and mk5 have stab bayonet

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Mk4 has slash bayonet

spare cobalt
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BTW, what do you think about my alternative idea to buff Executionerā€™s Stance? Where it can now suppress some of the non-suppressible enemies. Like Rager, Plasma Gunner, etc but requires a skill point for balancing reason. Itā€™s gonna be a hassle to redo the code for those enemies, but it should be easy. And (of course) we should leave Crusher and Unyielding enemies alone/unaffected for both gameplay and logical/lore reasons.

tame lodge
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For a point? Not worth it

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Suppression as a mechanic is just there

spare cobalt
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I went and check if there are any suppression value requirements for ragers and the like, none I can find so far. So adding that as a buff would be nice

true jackal
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lots of things can't be suppressed

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ragers being one of them afaik

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it's pretty much just ranged enemies and groaners (one of the types of melee chaff)

spare cobalt
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It would make a great buff if it can suppress non-suppressible enemies. Would possibly replace Enhanced Target Priority. I donā€™t see any point in putting points into that. Shouldā€™ve already been part of the main skill.

tall torrent
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anything more it needs is just pure QoL

spare cobalt
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lol, true. But not as good as VoC. Even though FS is trying so hard to nerf it.

tall torrent
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it's kinda on same tier already

sharp epoch
spare cobalt
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But real question is, how to make Infiltrate viable. Honestly, either make it a team stealth or forcing range elites/specialists into melee for x second within y meters. With the lore be an elite group of Vets went and implement sabotaging devices on enemy small arms weaponry. With some modifiers be Stunning elite/specialist enemies within x distance from player, Stunning elite/specialist more than x distance from player, and Highlight all elite/specialist effected by the ability. Would be pretty cool and maybe too op. Cooldown would have to be 60s, with some of the modifiers increasing the cooldown further.

tame lodge
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I am all in for backstabs on elites extending the stealth for x seconds

hollow ibex
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Fix tac awareness

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Reduce cd to 30 seconds

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Remove low profile

faint beacon
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Iā€™d rather be rewarded for killing something in stealth

hollow ibex
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I'd be ok with that

spare cobalt
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Or just make it somewhat similar to Zealotā€™s Shroudfield but gives buffs to teammates or debuffs to enemies after an elite/specialist/Orgyn/Monstrosity kill.

hollow ibex
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My main issue is how shit the uptime is

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Also the tdr node needs to fucking apply while stealthed too

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No reason for it not to

faint beacon
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Hence Iā€™m saying just have it to where it gives an X% of ammo back so you use it for if youā€™re running low or to do obj

lyric bramble
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a penance I'm trying to get as a Veteran is 90 kills in 30 seconds. what loadout should I bring?

faint beacon
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Would also encourage not needing to take Survivalist

tame lodge
lyric bramble
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shraps?

spare cobalt
prisma vessel
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Hey fellas. Wanna try out Vet after a looooong time not playing it; Any fun builds somewhere? Especially WS build?

tame lodge
narrow frost
fair shale
fair shale
narrow frost
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Wait

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Do you need krak buff to kill in non havoc?

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I haven't played vet auric in like a year

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Kill crusher

hollow ibex
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Just skirmisher or BID

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No tinkerer needed

narrow frost
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1 extra point then

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Shared exstance....

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It speaks to me

prisma vessel
narrow frost
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I use flak unyield, HT shred.

prisma vessel
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ohmy

narrow frost
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BM can be used but vet might need unarmored

prisma vessel
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Mk2?

narrow frost
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7 for me

prisma vessel
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hah

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nice

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same for me šŸ˜„

narrow frost
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Some like 4 on vet since it doesn't need push attacks

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So more stam eco

hollow ibex
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4 has notably worse horde clear

prisma vessel
narrow frost
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Run and gun plus any of the crit

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Point blank/crusian

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Unarmored maniac

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With stance active run and gun makes it pin point

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It's really funny

prisma vessel
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Intertasting

faint beacon
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@prisma vessel if Vigilant Auto Vet interests you this is literally my build of choice

prisma vessel
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V-v-vigilant!?

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How sinful!

faint beacon
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Works with WS also

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Vigilants require Rending Strikes to actually hurt the main elites youā€™re killing which are Gunners

fiery patrol
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hey, whats the good single target axe again?

prisma vessel
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Time to bring Momoa out of retirement and see how this works.

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hollow ibex
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Need to be more specific lol

fiery patrol
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thats good enough ty ^^

prisma vessel
narrow frost
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it scales into havoc too

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revolver reaches its 1 taps

prisma vessel
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It's funny how WS for me feels now like Proto Scum šŸ˜„

nimble pecan
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Hello, new at Veteran, whatĀ“s the meta build?

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I saw one with that blue plasma gun, tried it out but idk the plasma gun feels off for me

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
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If you just care about meta go VOC and WS

tame lodge
#

Also

nimble pecan
#

Sorry new at darktide what does VOC WS stand for?

tame lodge
#

It's a M1 only weapon

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You never charge it

fair shale
#

middle ability bottom right keystone

nimble pecan
#

Oh i see, thought those 2 were weapons

#

so weapons dont matter that much?

fair shale
#

Vet can use almost every weapon they have well imo

prisma vessel
#

Any AutoLas build around? šŸ˜„

fair shale
#

The only hard avoids are like, infantry las and devils claw

clear pecan
#

I got a question, does the Field improv share towards teammates?

fair shale
#

Yes

fair shale
#

Famas?

prisma vessel
#

Recon yes

clear pecan
#

That's huge, I gotta get back to my Vet

fair shale
#

Dictates the middle nodes

prisma vessel
#

can work anything

#

due to my Superior Skills as a Master of the Game

fair shale
#

If you want PS or Shovel id probably go bleed and trench instead of field

#

Fuck that had tf in it cause I brain deaded

#

Id swap that to skirmisher if don't run a TF/Bleed melee

nimble pecan
#

Is Mobility important for a spearhead boltgun? i have everything at 80% except for mobility which is at 60%

livid fractal
#

what weapons work best for stealth/support vet

#

here's my setup rn

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sharp epoch
sharp epoch
livid fractal
#

omg

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i meant stealth vet mb'

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also easier to read tree

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nimble pecan
sharp epoch
livid fractal
#

atm i'm using Vraks V IAG and ChAxe, but i'm wondering if something else would be more effective

#

i'm also willing to switch to weapon spec

sharp epoch
#

genuinely shout is the better support setup even the weird revive shout

livid fractal
#

that's fair

#

i did say stealth/support

#

i like being able to get into backlines to pick off specialists and then get out without trouble, or have a "get out of jail free" button

#

being able to do objectives and revives basically free is another benefit

sharp epoch
#

Are born leader and* leave no one behind mandatory?

#

most people just path to demo team on that line

livid fractal
#

born leader isn't necessary tbh

#

i'm rather fond of LNOB tho

#

i don't think tihs build has enough toughness regen to want born leader

sharp epoch
#

I think the build is fine for what it is just swap born leader for demo team or another talent

#

demo team on non havoc or malestrom doesnt provide as much value imo

livid fractal
#

that's fair

#

what weapons do you suggest?

#

like i said atm i'm running Vraks V IAG and Chainaxe

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but i'm def willing to try smthn else out, even if I gotta tweak the tree a bit

tall torrent
#

at least imo

livid fractal
tall torrent
#

oh cool mb

sharp epoch
livid fractal
#

honestly yknow what

#

i kinda fuck with that

#

which shovel

sharp epoch
#

Plasma + PSword is the classic build that has no weaknesses either except a huge lack of mobillity

livid fractal
#

yeah honestly im not huge on either lmao

faint beacon
#

Mk1 is the easiest to utilize effectively

#

Plasma PS is boring anyways

sharp epoch
#

Yeah MK1 with uncanny and decimator

sharp epoch
#

both plasma and ps

faint beacon
#

My ass runs Vigilant Autos with Tac Axe

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Also yeah thatā€™s why I donā€™t use it

livid fractal
#

oh i do got this fucker

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sharp epoch
#

yeah thats what you want

#

I think the blessings are manstopper and the bleed one I forgot the name

livid fractal
#

yeye

#

when should I be using the shotty over my melee?

#

i've heard it's a hordeclear monster

faint beacon
#

Thatā€™s if youā€™re running Weapon Specialist + Fully loaded

livid fractal
#

which honestly i think imma swap to

faint beacon
#

Or not FL

#

Mb

livid fractal
#

im dogshit at using FT

faint beacon
#

The WS node

#

Always prepared

sharp epoch
livid fractal
sharp epoch
#

and help kill mixed hordes with armor

sharp epoch
livid fractal
#

so like?

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faint beacon
#

Pm

sharp epoch
#

you need left subnode but middle is optional

livid fractal
#

where else could I put that point then?

faint beacon
#

Itā€™s a float point

livid fractal
#

here's the modified tree with that extra point

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sharp epoch
#

The 25 toughness is always good

faint beacon
#

I was about to say O4B cause bleed kills would give toughness

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But OYTs is also good

#

Generally up to preference

robust herald
sharp epoch
#

out for blood or 25 toughness yeah

livid fractal
#

also what perks on shotty

robust herald
#

flak unyielding

livid fractal
#

now i just gotta get a good shovel

#

are the folding shovels any good? or do I just run ye olde ye olde

robust herald
#

some good melee pairings with the super shotgun:
shovel
psword
pfalchion
assault chainsword

sharp epoch
#

I prefer the non folding, I think theyre okay though

faint beacon
#

Classic will always be better cause of consistency

robust herald
#

since you're running smokes I'd probably do psword or falchion

livid fractal
#

ngl im really tempted to run falchion

#

i love that thing

faint beacon
#

The fold ones are mediocre sadly

robust herald
faint beacon
#

You could but youd have to pick up rending strikes

livid fractal
#

falchion has been on my radar for a hot sec

#

for falchion?

faint beacon
#

Yeah itā€™s ADM Values are ass

robust herald
#

the thing is you need a good anti-cara tool so

#

whatever you pick

livid fractal
#

oh hey

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faint beacon
#

So it likes RS

robust herald
#

make sure it can fuck up crushers

faint beacon
#

Hence I tend to pair Falchion with Vigilant Autos

robust herald
#

because the super shotgun will not do that for you

livid fractal
#

ooh

faint beacon
#

Cause both want rending strikes

livid fractal
#

i'd be down to run a vigi auto honestly

sharp epoch
#

I dislike falchion cause I think it's just a worse PS

robust herald
livid fractal
#

i like falchion cause i think it's just a worse PS

#

also why are sire melk's offerings always dogshit

robust herald
#

melk's is just there for new characters

true jackal
#

always have been

fair shale
#

I have absolutely zero opinions on the falchion

robust herald
#

get a head start

livid fractal
#

also wait can Vigis handle cara?

true jackal
#

since the game fucken came out melk has been shit

livid fractal
#

btw what blessings on falchion

faint beacon
#

^ @livid fractal this is my Tac Axe Vigil build but Iā€™d say swap a Keystone node out for Trench Fighter Drill if you want

livid fractal
robust herald
faint beacon
robust herald
#

unless it's like las

livid fractal
#

cuz i assume shotgun falchion can't really handle cara

#

not without craks

faint beacon
#

You have to run Exe Stance Agri Vigil

tame lodge
livid fractal
#

ahhh ok

faint beacon
#

And Marksman Focus keystone

robust herald
faint beacon
#

To nuke Cara with vigils

livid fractal
robust herald
#

but again if you're not running kraks

livid fractal
#

shotty and pfalch?

robust herald
#

you may be better off

#

with psword

livid fractal
#

i honestly don't like psword

#

it feels too cheap

#

also what blessings on pfalch

faint beacon
#

Consider Tac Axe

robust herald
#

yea I mean hardly anyone does despite it being The Meta Pickā„¢

fair shale
#

Love tac axe

faint beacon
#

Jack of all trades melee it just has an enemy cap

robust herald
#

yeah you do have Rashad and taxe for options

livid fractal
robust herald
#

to be honest

#

okay

sharp epoch
faint beacon
#

Itā€™s one of vets best melees that isnā€™t PS

livid fractal
#

here is my melees atm

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fair shale
robust herald
#

mk1 shovel CAN handle cara but you need it under good few conditions

faint beacon
robust herald
#

like you need, need the bleed stacking on melee hit

livid fractal
#

i assume wrath

faint beacon
#

Cranial + Wrath

livid fractal
#

awesome ty

sharp epoch
#

and they survive way easier with a DS

livid fractal
#

and what perks

#

something + cara i assume?

#

flak?

robust herald
#

I do maniac cara

#

big mutie damage

#

although you can also one shot muties with the super shotgun

faint beacon
#

Flak

livid fractal
#

oh wow

faint beacon
#

You absolutely want flak also

livid fractal
#

even uncharged damage into crushers is servicable

robust herald
#

yeah pfalch is pretty good

#

it's just discount relic blade

livid fractal
#

i assume horde is lightspam?

robust herald
#

which is good on WS

#

yeah

#

but make sure it's mk1

#

easy lightspam

livid fractal
faint beacon
#

Itā€™s meh again itā€™s literally just ADMs that and it canā€™t deal with ragers when they group up

robust herald
#

also falch heavies are dogshit anyway

faint beacon
livid fractal
#

well

#

ragers are what the shotgun is for

faint beacon
#

Tac axe Heavy and Push Attack staggering them mid rager combo

#

Thatā€™s all Iā€™m gonna say

livid fractal
#

i will go for a tac axe next

#

dont worry

#

im just very picky about getting 60 dump stat so it might be a sec

#

especially since im broke as shit

robust herald
#

I just shovel ragers to death

#

im ngl

#

they die easy to bleed stacks

livid fractal
#

also how's my fit for stealth zel? the kreiger set is on sale and with the $5 aquila bundle I couldn't resist

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faint beacon
#

Well itā€™s also cause maniac Is classified as an armor type

#

So uncanny actually effects it

bleak tendon
#

fyi you guys cant blow up with plasma

livid fractal
#

i don't have the pants I want yet, I need to smoke 750 more enemies

faint beacon
#

Still not playing it

faint beacon
robust herald
#

the plasma gun's kinda lame

bleak tendon
#

its bugged rn

livid fractal
livid fractal
bleak tendon
#

same as whole of psyker

bleak tendon
livid fractal
#

alright lemme give the shotty setup a try

faint beacon
#

Veteran Plasma M1 has a safety feature that forcefully cools it down

#

M2 will kill you

#

Thing is M2 is weaker than M1 so why bother

faint beacon
livid fractal
#

1.5k?????

faint beacon
#

Yeah I main Vet

livid fractal
#

dawg

#

fuck u mean level 300

#

i'm level 30

faint beacon
#

True level mod

robust herald
#

there's a mod that gives you your actual level

faint beacon
#

Shows levels beyond 30

robust herald
#

yea

faint beacon
#

Basically itā€™s just the stored XP on said account

robust herald
#

cuz of all the excess exp you get

#

is the chainaxe good at anti-crusher?

faint beacon
#

Yeah lmao

#

Ever since the rework it become a low mobility nuke option

tame lodge
true jackal
#

fr?

robust herald
#

cool

#

I might try it with recon lasgun

livid fractal
#

what other ranged weps work with pfalch

#

im not liking the shotgun on this builf

#

can i just swap back to IAG?

robust herald
#

it's kinda useless on the vraks iag

livid fractal
#

id probably switch back to Focus Target

faint beacon
robust herald
#

ye agri is good on it

livid fractal
#

which one is agri

#

also is the burst vigi any good

robust herald
#

you get a super tight spread and slugs

faint beacon
livid fractal
#

OOH WAIT

#

SLUG IS GOOD NOW??

faint beacon
#

They just serve different playstyles

#

Yeah itā€™s literally the best gun in the game

livid fractal
#

i fucking adore agri shotty, i was so sad when it got nerfed

robust herald
#

it's solid

#

probably vet's best shotgun

#

since it has good damage and can actually snipe

#

also pairs well with WS

livid fractal
#

what blessings on agri

#

full bore i assume

faint beacon
#

No Res Full Bore

#

Arby and Vet excel using it

livid fractal
#

aweome

#

ill give it a shot

#

does the slug still proc full bore?

fair shale
#

Yes

faint beacon
modest stag
#

anyone got abuild for the slug

faint beacon
#

Depends on what keystone youd want though

livid fractal
hollow ibex
hollow ibex
livid fractal
#

why do I feel so slow with pfalchion

gentle lake
livid fractal
#

nah

#

this shit fucks

gentle lake
#

No it don't:p

#

Waiting for the buff

robust herald
#

how even are you supposed to make a relic blade sidegrade like the pfalch

livid fractal
#

well its on a different class for starters

modest stag
faint beacon
#

Especially Havoc

livid fractal
#

oh that's fair

#

honestly i might swap back to my chainaxe for this build

#

it was doing WORK

#

what perks on agri shotty

faint beacon
#

Flak maniac

robust herald
livid fractal
#

i mean?

#

yeah?

#

a 1-handed version of the relic blade for a less melee intensive class being worse than the full relic blade makes complete sense imo

#

also does Agri like weapon specialist

robust herald
#

yea

hollow ibex
void dragon
#

We all got spoiled of the Psword, which is supposed to be that but turns out it's beyond busted so everyone use that as metric (which is not fair)

hollow ibex
livid fractal
#

looks like im gonna hang onto chainaxe tho

robust herald
hollow ibex
#

Vet melee is a fundamental aspect of the class

#

There's no reason for falchion to suck as much as it does

fair shale
void dragon
hollow ibex
#

Except for laziness on fatsharts part

fair shale
#

Like Pfalc ain't Devils Claw for sure

livid fractal
#

not gonna lie i wish Rev It Up was good

robust herald
faint beacon
#

I kid you not itā€™s less Falchion needs a buff cause itā€™s Devils Claw bad it literally just needs minor tweaks and itā€™ll instantly feel better

#

Also think itā€™s insane some of the heavy swings on Falchion canā€™t stagger ragers

#

At all

#

Like that would instantly make the weapon feel better

robust herald
#

falchion heavies are shit

#

it's kinda unfortunate

void dragon
fair shale
#

Is

#

Is chain axe good now?

robust herald
#

apparently yea

hollow ibex
#

Yeah

fair shale
#

That thing was the biggest piece of dogshit last time I used it tbh

void dragon
#

Chaxe, even the MK4 that has meh horde clear, are quite solid imo

fair shale
#

(3 years ago)

hollow ibex
#

MkXII is a beast

#

Idc much for MkIV

fair shale
#

Ill give it a try sometime

brisk umbra
#

how much health% does the vet need for havoc 30+?

void dragon
#

Mk12 is a good weapon all around now that doesn't have capped cleave, MK4 still is a single target bully while having manageable horde fighting

robust herald
#

thought sefoni said "another feeble-minded blunt for sefoni to smoke"

brisk umbra
#

is 5% enough or do you need a full trinket for it?

#

Because without anything you get one tapped by pox bursters

robust herald
brisk umbra
#

that i know for sure

#

and with them being bugged it sucks so much

fair shale
void dragon
brisk umbra
#

Like, the problem is that burster literally one tap you if they explode on you

#

with 3 wounds they remove 2

fair shale
#

Imo vet likes having a health curio

#

Toughness/health/stam

robust herald
brisk umbra
#

i generally like 1 wound just because sometimes random shit happens

fair shale
#

Wounds are bad

#

They make med stimms less effecient and tbh you should not be planning to die

brisk umbra
#

I see it like, random shit happens and not having to use a stimm/heal is better

#

like honestly, i don't think 18% thoughness would ever do more than just having an extra life after some bullshit happens

robust herald
#

what keystone does the chainaxe most benefit from? I feel like it's gotta be FT

fair shale
#

More toughness means you have more to spend before you hit 75 percent which means you're getting more Iron Will value which might be one of the only nodes in vet tree you absolutely should be running in every single build

bleak tendon
#

Guys any tips on getting long bomb for vet?

#

Iā€™m finding it really difficult

hollow ibex
#

Like chasm station or hab dreyko

brisk umbra
#

the one that starts with the long ass bridge

bleak tendon
#

Is that uhhhh

hollow ibex
bleak tendon
#

Chasm station?

hollow ibex
#

That's prob the easiest

brisk umbra
#

no idea the name xd

hollow ibex
#

Just toss a nade down and airburst it

#

Penance done

robust herald
#

what ability and keystone should I run for chainaxe/recon lasgun? I feel like exec/FT is the schmoove

strange crow
hollow ibex
bleak tendon
hollow ibex
#

Recon las doesn't really synergize with keystones that much

bleak tendon
#

Iā€™ve heard smokes work as well?

robust herald
#

?

hollow ibex
bleak tendon
#

Iā€™m also gonna try and get the 90% accuracy penance

#

Iā€™ve found the single shot bolt gun is good for that

true jackal
#

the one that requires you to be out of ammo?

robust herald
#

what blessings and perks do I want on the chainaxe?

gray meadow
#

Is recon lasgun/power sword viable in havoc?

robust herald
#

very

gray meadow
#

Ok cool ty

true jackal
#

slaughterer is a given then either headtaker or thrust

#

I think

strange crow
hollow ibex
tranquil ledge
#

Hot take

The survivalist aura should trigger every time you headshot kill an elite or specialist enemy rather than trigger every time you kill an elite or specialist enemy every 5 seconds

strange crow
#

Anything that makes it harder to proc is prob a good thing

real loom
#

Hot take there shouldnt be cooldown on vet aura

strange crow
#

Bro doesn't want to have to melee ever šŸ˜­

tranquil ledge
strange crow
#

Activate

robust herald
#

Serrated Blade has synergy with chainaxe rev, right?

strange crow
#

Serrated blade really only has specific synergy with weapons that are already bleed stackign or sunder power sword

tranquil ledge
strange crow
hollow ibex
tranquil ledge
strange crow
sharp epoch
strange crow
#

Recon is not that hard to hit headshots with tbf

sharp epoch
#

theres barely a finesse modifier so it doesnt really matter

strange crow
#

Yeah but its not much of a challenge

#

Plus precision strikes

frank ledge
#

Shovel meta is back

hollow ibex
#

Oh sorry

#

7

bleak tendon
#

Vet penances are all done

#

(Except the mission ones)

mellow halo
#

is power cycler + brutal momentum good on psword?

primal zealot
#

yeaj

mellow halo
#

or Ive seen some people use sunder instead of bm?

primal zealot
#

that also works

hollow ibex
#

Both are good

mellow halo
#

ok sick

hollow ibex
#

Brumentum is for pure hordes

#

And gives more value per single charge

real loom
#

Sunder better for havoc

hollow ibex
#

Sunder is better for mixed hordes

mellow halo
#

also is cleave the dump stat

mellow halo
tranquil ledge
robust herald
mellow halo
#

not cleave damage

low shale
#

Is this outdated?

hollow ibex
#

Though still ok as a reference for some things

#

Path is writing a new version

#

Soon tm

tall torrent
#

if u hav question just ask

quick shell
#

what does helbore dump? just stab?

robust herald
#

stability yeah

#

las weapons really don't need it

quick shell
#

and what one was the fast firing mark

robust herald
#

weight of fire

quick shell
#

no like

#

for helbores

tame lodge
#

Mk5

low shale
robust herald
orchid hemlock
#

I'ma say it

Tac axe šŸŖ“ SSSSSSSSSSS

#

Everything else F

low shale
#

Some weapons are better than others unless you want shotguns to be the go to weapon

stable socket
#

combat shotty is really good

orchid hemlock
#

For Vet I'm sure not much has changed since the tree rework

quick shell
#

ok i desperately need to get the fov fixer mod

narrow torrent
#

Recon lasgun is easy S because it does the most dakka KEKW_ogryn

quick shell
#

using exe in melee is impossible with the fov

stable socket
#

but what difficulty are you talking about? e.g. zarona revolver is incredible in auric and below but in high havoc the breakpoints make it not as good (still usable though)

orchid hemlock
#

For melee

Best weapon by far is the PS

#

But I've seen people use the PS like it is a wet noodle šŸ’€

fresh spire
#

is thrust on DS4 better than riposte [for havoc]? I've been testing out H40 psykanium and i seem to be getting better results than just spamming heavies with riposte+uncanny.

robust herald
#

IAG is dakka

tame lodge
prisma vessel
#

@narrow frost god damn Taxe feels so fucking good and goated

narrow frost
#

always has been

#

people just downplayed it and gaslit themselves

#

because a youtuber said its bad

tall torrent
prisma vessel
#

Yeah I didn't play it a lot and had a veeeery long pause from it.

tame lodge
sly orchid
narrow frost
#

I've been using it for more then 2 years

tall torrent
prisma vessel
#

It's so fast, so snappy, so killy.

narrow frost
#

and has good stagger

#

special is useful

#

and can be used with different blessings

prisma vessel
#

oh ye

narrow frost
#

deci/ht/shred/bm are all good

narrow torrent
prisma vessel
#

I often special a rager before opening his dome

narrow frost
#

you can stagger mutant and crusher overhead

#

just special weakspot

prisma vessel
#

Also Reaper

narrow frost
#

that too

prisma vessel
#

so he stops his nonsense of shooting me up close KEKW_ogryn

sly orchid
tame lodge
tall torrent