veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Oh it's something bugged about their overheat/overload mechanic

[real loom]

So psykers cant explode too and get frame drops?

[tame lodge]

Psyker cannot explode from peril atm (except if you use Inferno staff or Electric Rmb)

[tropic warren]

i revalidated my files but before that it lagged my game to a crawl

[real loom]

So its usable after revalidating

[tame lodge]

Some people are experiencing frame drops once they hit 100% peril yup

[real loom]

I need to tell my friend that

[tropic warren]

for me yes

[tame lodge]

Blame spaghetti coding

[tropic warren]

fatshark does it again

or should i say brapfart

[livid hill]

I have come to appreciate cutthroat a lot more

"Watch, learn, then shoot yourself."

[tall torrent]

when does he say this

[livid hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1phorhk/cutthroat_is_not_a_very_big_fan_of_the_hive_scum/

[quick shell]

every time i shoot my plasma gun i get a frame drop a split second before it fires

same case with venting it

that's really annoying actually

not sure what's causing it because nothing else has that issue

[fair shale]

Ive heard its an nvidia driver thing but idk

[tall torrent]

update to newest nvidia driver

released on Dec04

[quick shell]

im on amd

same case, just update?

[tall torrent]

prob

[brisk umbra]

what's the meta ranged weapon lately?

[fair shale]

You got options

Helbore or Double Barrel are probably the most meta tho

[brisk umbra]

Ok let me rephrase it, what are the meta ranged weapons for high havoc? 😂

[willow prairie]

Helbore or Double Barrel are probably the most meta tho

[umbral scaffold]

Is there a good way of doing the Adept Assassin penance that's not agony?

[fiery patrol]

why does it feel like im slowed down massively when im out of stamina with the power sword? never really used it

[real loom]

Low mobility waepon

[fiery patrol]

so its normal and not some weird lag issue?

[regal belfry]

does out for blood work with range kills?

[real loom]

Yah

[real loom]

Prob

[regal belfry]

thought it didnt for a long time

[real loom]

Vets dont rlly spray into hordes so usually better with melee

[regal belfry]

and else they use exhiliraing takedoiwn or ot

[fair shale]

I love ET so much

[regal belfry]

i use it only in marksman builds

[fair shale]

Genuinely it's my favorite toughness gen talent

I just don't like the pathing for it anymore

[regal belfry]

my fav is confirmed kill even if it is conditional

but i am anyway someone with really high focus on high threat targets liek specials and elites

[fair shale]

I just like the reward for good aim tbh

You can gen toughness off anything if you aim well

[crude widget]

Aight gang I’m like veteran 23/24 now. I have combat knife and spearhead.

Any tips on how can I improve my weapons?
I also want build guides on how I can spam frag nades and wipe out hordes pls

[regal belfry]

i use often weapon specialist builds so i less kill with range weapons

[fair shale]

@hollow ibex has a build for that i think

[regal belfry]

knife for certain wants uncanny strike

î gonna look into which blessings i use by weapon specialist

[crude widget]

Interesting, what else?
My play style is that I stand the most behind, snipe out any shit with spearhead.
If I’m getting swarmed I’ll shout to stun and give 50 smtg golden toughness thingy and go crazy with the knife. Slow as hell reload on my gun, throw a few nades. Rinse and repeat lol

For bosses I go full auto and aim the head with boltgun

Thanks @regal belfry

[crude widget]

I shall wait for his wisdom

I play on heresy for context

Voice of command shout stun is so clutch for quick revive

Reminds me of iron will for deep rock galactic

[real loom]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4f4fdd-f4ef-4ea1-b7d6-71bf513e90d1/fuplaayz-havoc-bolter-vet can change the melee to knife and grenade to shredder

ppl dont usually go for revive shout but you can switch the yellow to revive if u want

[crude widget]

Emperor protects , arigato gato

[regal belfry]

another good source would be hammer of the emperor https://onedrive.live.com/personal/e2a0a519389b2f30/_layouts/15/doc2.aspx?sourcedoc={a7c48fc8-4c57-4f99-8848-f62d41caaf9f}&action=default&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3cvYy9lMmEwYTUxOTM4OWIyZjMwL0VjaVB4S2RYVEpsUGlFajJMVUhLcjU4QmJOX0xja01PQzRiYmEzcW5sTzhUSGc&slrid=7943a1a1-50ec-9000-0e4e-4937ea9e147f&originalPath=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3cvYy9lMmEwYTUxOTM4OWIyZjMwL0VjaVB4S2RYVEpsUGlFajJMVUhLcjU4QmJOX0xja01PQzRiYmEzcW5sTzhUSGc_cnRpbWU9U2YyTHc3V2EzVWc&CID=f3b6e97f-67e7-4e9b-93d0-a8e0eee9c1f3&_SRM=0:G:62 ... the guide link is looong

seriously why is this link to a word document this way...

is pinned aswell if you don't trust me

[crude widget]

I’m too lazy to sign in, but thanks anyways, I will look into it lol

[real loom]

Havoc builds take krak bc so much armor and bosses but in heresy it wont be as much

Dueling sword is like knife almost

[crude widget]

Understandable for your point on havoc krak

Duelling sword does headshot cleave?

[real loom]

Yellow toughness shout isnt increase cooldown of shout like revive one and keeps team alive better so ppl use that more

[crude widget]

I feel like Spearhead weakness is to deal with hordes, I use combat knife so I can spam left click

[real loom]

Im not sure I never used before I use psword lol

[crude widget]

Ah same here lol

[real loom]

Ik dueling sword can kill crushers and bosses easy

For horde they can spam light attack

[regal belfry]

duelling sword has no cleave blessing

it is damm good anyways

[real loom]

Its not strong at killing horde but it can survive horde

[tall torrent]

u usually don't need frags for horde, they're complementary to mixed horde clear

[willow prairie]

duelling sword is not that good lol

especially in havoc

meta on staff psyker though

[real loom]

I would use psword

[hollow ibex]

frag build

[crude widget]

I don’t understand, yellow shout gives extra toughness for a short time right? Will it replenish full toughness instantly?

[regal belfry]

you mean likely inferno variant or was it blast, those staffs had enough horde clear themselfs

[willow prairie]

all of them except surge

[regal belfry]

surge is sadly potato

[crude widget]

Hell yeah what a way to name it thanks

[real loom]

Gives full toughness and yellow toughness that lets you not take health dmg during it like poxbursters and snipers

[regal belfry]

what is best non havoc vet weapon beside dagger/ds

[real loom]

They yellow is like more max toughness for short time

[hollow ibex]

psword is still just the best overall. better than both knife and ds

[crude widget]

I love being the hero and add survivability to my ogryn randoms lol

[real loom]

VI psword can 2 shot crushers before havoc and good horde clear

Actually idk I havent used since crusher buff health

[hollow ibex]

it's 3 shot

but you can still get 6.5k dps so whatever

[crude widget]

Oh yeah, total clueless on weapon mastery here. If I use psword and complete more missions with it, what do I after?

[real loom]

It can shred boss and ogryns and specials

[regal belfry]

with powercycler and what was it sunder?

[tall torrent]

sunder better for mixed horde

BM better for pure horde

[crude widget]

What does the psword blue charge do?

[hollow ibex]

pretty much

[regal belfry]

cleave and stupid damage

[tall torrent]

big dmg & cleave

[real loom]

Basically always want to be swinging it charged

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448319409897738250/D384E23B734C3E5F7B55B2696EA2158097736615.mov?ex=693ad40f&is=6939828f&hm=23cd1b6983cca56e2270cac12c7a17199b72e1cab34424055eac12e8eda938f4&

[regal belfry]

special->1->2->3->special...repeat...

[crude widget]

I set my special to C key, I gotta keep spamming C then oh hell

[regal belfry]

mouse sidebutton by me

[real loom]

Get power cycler and sunder/bm on it

Unyielding and carapace maybe for perks

And maybe put special button on mouse :v

[brave belfry]

What's the dump stat for plasma again?

[crude widget]

I use Logitech lift vertical ergo btw, side buttons are too precious for me to spam lol

[crude widget]

Oh I see so light attack is just 123 etc, how about heavy attacks ?

[tall torrent]

basically only use them for mutants if u have sunder

[crude widget]

I see, idk the lingo for melee attack patterns lol

[regal belfry]

i hope they buff shovel and power falchion... those are disapointments

[crude widget]

Shovel feels very satisfying I can’t describe it, but it’s ass I know

Ogryn shovel is cool

[regal belfry]

ogryn shovel is beside pickaxe my main weapon on ogryn

[real loom]

I think the psword combo on bosses is block+ push attack + swing + repeat

[tall torrent]

Depends

[regal belfry]

do you think they gonna buff shovel or falchion and idk how to feel about chainweapons they are not satisfying combat wise

[tall torrent]

It’s not always a good idea to use the push atk combo cuz it costs stamina

[crude widget]

I rarely use push attack on bosses I just dodge

I forgot the name, the hand axe special attack is just a single headshot stab, I tend to spam that a lot

accurate chaff kills

[regal belfry]

which handaxe...

[inland canopy]

mooooom the bad hivescums are just charging into no man's land

as opposed to the good hivescums charging into no man's land

[regal belfry]

gives you dual shivs and dual stub pistols play with them...

[inland canopy]

i kid they are really good, they just aren't maintaining space on shock troop high intensity

the class i mean, the players are a tossup

[regal belfry]

tossup?

[inland canopy]

50/50

they either good zealot players

or chickenheads

[regal belfry]

yeah that fits the bill

[crude widget]

I think MK IV tac axe I forgot

[regal belfry]

ok

[mellow halo]

which guns do you guys think are fun?

is boltgun worth running^?

[crude widget]

It’s like holding the poll/butt end of the axe with right hand and then stabbing into headshot melee range to cut heads clean

[crude widget]

I like spearhead a lot, for long range sniping, 1-2 shots to kill stuff if you aim very well. And for emergencies you can full auto around the head area to kill bosses

horde clearing is possible but the reload speed is ass, that’s the weakness

[mellow halo]

ahhh

I'll try it then

I've been liking the helbore for the same reason

just pew pew at some enemies

[crude widget]

Yeah after discovering spearhead I don’t like helbore anymore, the charge up is too slow I feel

[mellow halo]

oh really? maybe it's worth trying then

[hollow ibex]

helbore and bolter are two very different weapons

i'd say helbore is more meta

though both are good

[mellow halo]

oh really?

wait different how

like

[crude widget]

I’m not expert here, I’m still below 30 lvl I’m just fucking around with builds lol

[willow prairie]

bolter have lot of downside

[mellow halo]

ohh

[willow prairie]

helbore charge up is fine

it only get me killed like twice

draw time can be mitigated with ads

[mellow halo]

is there any guns that are just dookie butt?

[crude widget]

I like the mini space marine gun for regular ppl it’s so meme and cool

seeing one single bullet split enemies in half is so satisfying

[willow prairie]

infantry lasgun

[crude widget]

Maybe it’s just me I feel like the regular bullet guns feel ass

[hollow ibex]

helbore has way better sustained dps, and basically infinite ammo

[crude widget]

Anything las feels cool

[hollow ibex]

downside is that it needs to charge ofc

[mellow halo]

fair

[crude widget]

Ohhh

[livid hill]

Plas pistol for vet would be so noce

[real loom]

80% of vet weapon

[mellow halo]

yeah the autoguns don't feel super good

[mellow halo]

oh

💀

[crude widget]

Christ

[mellow halo]

so what is not dookie butt then

😔

[hollow ibex]

bullets op

[real loom]

DB, helbore, plasma, bolt

[crude widget]

Infantry lasgun makes me feel like a true canon fodder, I pair it with knife lol

[livid hill]

Its more meta if you are a crackshot, if you can reliably hit headshots it murders but its lackluster otherwise

[hollow ibex]

headshots are important, but helbore has a massive projectile size

[mellow halo]

god damn

[hollow ibex]

so makes landing headshots much easier

[mellow halo]

yeah I notice it just hits whatever even if I'm not trying to aim

[livid hill]

But its still pretty hard if you have too high/too low sensitivity or just suck at aiming like I

[mellow halo]

but no voice of command grrr...

[hollow ibex]

prob not the gun for you then

[hollow ibex]

ES is better anyway

[crude widget]

Helbore must use ADS and charge…..

[fair shale]

I dont understand why people like VoC so much tbh

[livid hill]

Exec stance is more honorable

[willow prairie]

fym honorable

shit is broken

[crude widget]

It gives me aura, ENGULF THEM IN PAINNNN

[willow prairie]

well at least before hvs release

[livid hill]

Not as broken as voc

[mellow halo]

I like the toughness bonus for teammates 🙁

[brisk umbra]

db is?

[crude widget]

Same here twin, sometimes when a bunch of range is spamming on my team I like to VOC to stun and melee clear

[livid hill]

Doomguy

[mellow halo]

true

[livid hill]

It is not and yet I still use it bc its cool

[crude widget]

I gotta try the shotgun, I haven’t unlocked that bastard

[livid hill]

Just not on super high stakes missions

[mellow halo]

the autogun?

[livid hill]

Helbore

[mellow halo]

ohh

[hollow ibex]

most of the shoguns are exceptionally strong

[livid hill]

Sorry thought thats what u were talking abt

[hollow ibex]

the only one that's bad is accatran combat shotgun

[mellow halo]

yeah it was I'm just dumb mb

[livid hill]

Me too

[crude widget]

For me I tend to backline a lot so I can reload peacefully with spearhead, gives me more time to land accurate shots

[fair shale]

Ig, the piss toughness was always more for me to benefit from IW more than to benefit the team imo

No one else really needed the survivability help ime

[hollow ibex]

ES supports the team by letting you kill things before they become a threat to your team

[mellow halo]

fair

[inland canopy]

plasma gun just nullified high intensity shock troop no man's land

[hollow ibex]

something something survivability onion

[mellow halo]

I don't think people really need it either I just like seeing the yellow bar

[willow prairie]

there nothing to survive if everything is dead

[mellow halo]

mmm possible true

maybe try

mmm

oh also is it a bad idea to just default to increase armor damage blessings

[crude widget]

How to use plasma gun, it feels ass since it’s so damn bright and hinders my aim. Also why does the heat meter increase when I hold right mouse

[mellow halo]

I heard it was bugged or something now that it just tanks peoples fps? not sure how true it is

[inland canopy]

there's a .5 delay so you drag your cursor over the enemy and predict where they go in a small area

[crude widget]

My fps is fine, it’s just that the blue plasma lights and no ADS makes me hard to land longshots

[inland canopy]

it snipes anything

[crude widget]

interesting

I’ll try that thanks

[crude widget]

Fym? It’s infinite range or…??

[inland canopy]

the secondary action "cools" down the weapon to prevent overheat

secondary weapon action

you should map it to whatever third button on your gaming mouse

[crude widget]

I thought you reload to cool it no?

oh the special attack cools it

understood

[inland canopy]

weapons have secondary actions like flashlight or bash

plasma gun is cooling the gun

it cools it 20% per sec

[crude widget]

Got it thanks

[inland canopy]

of the existing overheat

[crude widget]

Mayhe plasma gun it’s not that bad, I’m just a noob lol

[inland canopy]

count how many times you can spam till it 98-99%

[fair shale]

Plasma is good, it's just clunky

[inland canopy]

it's actually really forgiving about capping

there's like a grace period at 100%

[crude widget]

Fair

[inland canopy]

you can shoot about 10 or so times before it over heats in regular barrage, charged attack is like 4-5 times

[crude widget]

Why and when should I charge fire? Bosses and elites?

[fair shale]

9 tops

8 with the optimal roll

Unless you're running optimized cooling

[crude widget]

I feel like regular chaff is wasting for the plasma ammo

[fair shale]

Then iirc its 12 shots tops

[fair shale]

You shouldn't be shooting chaff unless you're scum or psyker tbh

You use plasma to cut through chaff

Hit the elites in the horde

[inland canopy]

basically you highlight something, as long as your cursor is over the object and they aren't in cover, they dead

unless they crusher then they might stagger then die in 2 more hits

[crude widget]

Woah that’s crazy

[crude widget]

Yeah I rarely shoot at chaff, but I understand you

[inland canopy]

it's good for both elite deleting and horde clear

[crude widget]

I played with psyker for about one mission, constantly headshoting chaff with las pistol is cool

The bolt weapons have shrapnel iirc

[crude widget]

Does it have splash tho

[inland canopy]

yeah everything around what it hits should get cleaved

it's great when a crowd of ragers are all stuck inside a room and you shoot from a door

if you do cover fire for the team you can even just not move the cursor and keep shooting where waves are spawning and it becomes a cozy weapon rather than stressful

[crude widget]

Ooooo

Ok, chainsword or chainaxe

Both shreds armour right?

[inland canopy]

they just keep you stuck where your fov/reticle is kind of stuck on the target and you have to move around it if someone is overheading you

with the right blessings they are better for killing heavies

rend and carapace 25%

I am just stuck on the saber meta for the defense value

[hollow ibex]

Chaxe yes chord no

[real loom]

I never do

[mellow halo]

is chord usable?

or meh

[tame lodge]

It's usable

Mid tier

[true jackal]

pretty ok fairly all round weapon

[mellow halo]

oh ok not bad then

are there any melees that are dookie butt?

does the shovel even have a use

[regal belfry]

why do i have the feeling they need to completly overhaul chainweapons or buff those alot

[true jackal]

the folding shovels are ok last I checked

[tame lodge]

Being a blessing stick

[regal belfry]

i like the folding shovels but they fall beyond

[true jackal]

I'd also probably not recommend the devil's claw

[tame lodge]

Yeah dclaw is very bottom tier

No flak damage looking ahh

[true jackal]

esp now that vet has the heavy sword

if you want a "regular sword that does horde clear"

[robust herald]

the shovels are good if ya a) use it as a blessing stick, b) use it to stack bleed dot with the talent, and c) use it to clear anything smaller than a scab mauler

[true jackal]

everything is fairly usable afaik, but there is still major variance in how good some weapons are

[robust herald]

the shovel synergizes greatly with the bleed dot talent due to its attack speed which is really nice

[mellow halo]

isn't the heavy sword also kinda meh

I've been using psword and dueling sword and they seem pretty chilling

[mellow halo]

oh is that one of th emarks for the sapper

[robust herald]

oh also the shovel is great at quickly killing Mutants, I learned this after three shotting one. which is FAST for a speedy stick of death

[true jackal]

not really used it on vet so it may be a lot worse w/o zealots melee support, but it's very very good at horde clear

I was more so saying there is no reason to use the Devil's claw

[uncut pewter]

I've been playing with power falchion and honestly, it feels pretty good, so I'm admittedly surprised that the general consensus on it was that it was mediocre before

[mellow halo]

ohhh yeah

[uncut pewter]

Though perhaps it's more about "This is not amazing compared to other weapons" or whatever!

But it felt good to use with swapping between gun too

[robust herald]

pfalch is good, yeah

it's just

discount relic blade

which tbf is still good

[uncut pewter]

I'm actually playing tons of zealot relic blade and it feels fantastic

[true jackal]

what blessings are recommened on the falchion even

[uncut pewter]

Doesn't feel like it has any actual weaknesses like force greatsword with psykers

[robust herald]

I think some people gravitate to pfalch because it doesn't have the "activate swing swing swing activate repeat" loop that psword has, which is fair

[uncut pewter]

I think cranial blessing is good and can't remember other.

[mellow halo]

is it bad to default to just +carapace armor damage +flak armor damage

[robust herald]

cranial grounding and something else I forgor

[mellow halo]

are there certain blessing that are goated with the suace

[uncut pewter]

Heat leakage maybe?

NOt sure

[true jackal]

Cranial grounding was the only one I was really sure of

[robust herald]

same

[tame lodge]

Oh no
Heavy Swords are great
They only suck against Carapace

So you basically have to bring something to deal with that

[robust herald]

I default to kraks for those scenarios

[mellow halo]

ahh

[robust herald]

ya regen kraks fast enough if yk what ur doing

[brave belfry]

Hey guys, what's the dump stat for the Plasma Gun these days?

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[real loom]

71 charge rate 69 thermal resist

[native hamlet]

anyone got a spearhead boltgun build for havoc?

[worn slate]

Why does plasma gun lags out my game everytime I try to shoot with it

[true jackal]

plasma nerf

it lags your game now

that's the nerf

[worn slate]

dang

[tame lodge]

Bugged

[worn slate]

Feature* -Fatshark probably

[robust herald]

something to do with heat buildup I believe

I wonder if psykers are having the same issue with peril

[regal belfry]

nope with both not aqua

[tall torrent]

update driver if possible

[regal belfry]

i run amd 7900xt

[faint beacon]

Don’t forget the mega ultra super duper psyker buff known as perils of the warp never happening so you can spam to your hearts content

[tame lodge]

Infinite² ammo

[regal belfry]

i hope they rework vet stealth

it feels bad compared to zealot ones

[frigid shuttle]

Psykers don't get perils, because they're so powerful daemons are afraid of 'em.

[candid lantern]

any send me a good havoc shout bolter built?

[upper agate]

plasma still broken ?

[faint beacon]

Came up with the simple idea of baking in something similar to scums pickpocket as a node, where elite/special kills give back like 10-15% reserve ammo on kill in infiltrate

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[real loom]

Special/elite kills gives back stealth up to 20 seconds

[upper dock]

Is plasma gun broken?

[burnt pelican]

I WAS WONDERING WHY MY FRAMES WERE DROPPING

[faint beacon]

CDR on the ability I’m honestly against

I’d prefer it just refund some ammo

[real loom]

Not cdr for ability but extending ability like desperado does

[burnt pelican]

Its beam staff sienna all over again

[faint beacon]

Eh- I’d rather not

It’s very crucial that attacking at all makes you exit stealth cause that makes it instantly overpowered beyond belief

[burnt pelican]

Wait u guys actually get stealthed when u press f?

I did some more testing and zealots shroud is way less buggy

With vet theres some major problems

When u carry objective it drops it on my zealot it doesnt

[hollow ibex]

It lets me carry objectives

[burnt pelican]

Simetimes stealth goes off for no reason and i just die

Yeah u have to pick it up again after u stealth but its annoying

I havent tested if muties grab u mid stealth on zealot can anyone confirm

It happens on inflitrate for me

[faint beacon]

Vets stealth is the longest and I’d rather it be more a “survivalist” type of ability seeing Zealots is raw damage

Hence I suggest a node that gives ammo back on elite/special kill

[hollow ibex]

It's possible

Trappers can also trap you

[burnt pelican]

Can u pass through enemies in inflitrate btw?

[real loom]

No

[faint beacon]

No

[hollow ibex]

There's a brief period where they can get you because they already locked on

[faint beacon]

8 second invis though

[burnt pelican]

U can in shroud tho right?

Dont remember

[burnt pelican]

If i could pass through enemies id take it on h40 rn ngl

Old players are coming back to high havoc and they are dropping like flies atm

[faint beacon]

No

[burnt pelican]

Huh i can recall being able to pass through them could be a differeng talent tho

[candid lantern]

whats a good vet shout setup for high havoc?

[burnt pelican]

@candid lantern

General skeleton of h40 vet builds

Make changes depending on weapons obv

[candid lantern]

krak over shredder?

i hate plasma gun tbh trying to see if bolter is viable

[hardy umbra]

H! Anyone else's game stuttering like crazy when using plasma gun? >_>

[burnt pelican]

Both are good check ur teams builds and take what ur comp is missing

[tame lodge]

Yes

It's a bug currently

[burnt pelican]

Again its a general skeleton u can make adjustments everywhere

[tame lodge]

Apparently updating your driver's help

If possible

Or just wait for Fatshark to fix it

[hardy umbra]

Oki, thank you!

[upper dock]

does it crash other people's games or just the user?

[candid lantern]

when would you go one for the other generally speaking?

[burnt pelican]

2 Shredders delete mostly everything, kraks can permastagger bosses and dh if u train at hitting them with it

Except burgle, burgle doesnt care

And on h40 with the density of elite waves kraks will usually get 3+ elites each

Shredders generally better now that rotten armour is gone (if ur team can handle cara waves)

Oh yeah shredders are amazing for clutch reviving too cuz they stagger

Drop one where someone is and pop voc start reviving it will pop and restagger at around halfway in the revive

[sharp epoch]

burgle gets staggered too it just has a longer cooldown between being staggered or soemthing

could be grenade placement too, because shredders also stagger right under the head

[sharp epoch]

day 2 of plasmer not being fixed 😔

[thorn lark]

What's the problem with plasma?

[tame lodge]

Currently bugged
Shooting it drops frames

Oh it also can't explode

[sharp epoch]

they finally nerfed plasma with a bug

[narrow widget]

no shit bolter is viable why wouldn't it be

[brisk umbra]

i hate the bolter, it's so slow to switch to and reload

[narrow widget]

that's y u take one motion

[thorn lark]

Bolter is a commitment

[formal ice]

Just load faster

Duh

[candid lantern]

What approach did yall find easiest to accomplish the penace for 90% accuracy and no ammo left? (obivously not survivalist lmao going to attempt heresy pugs with bolter and just be useless)

[robust herald]

double barrel

the super shotgun

[native hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08ff5c7-bbf4-4681-98b2-c5e4303dc314
how does this look?

[brisk umbra]

i mean lately i've been playing havoc, i get that it's really strong breakpoint wise

but god damn a good 60% of the time i found myself without ammo waiting for a long ass reload to snipe a special

[serene bough]

not bad but id remove the enhanced target priority for one of the 25+ toughness nodes

[robust herald]

Bolter made more for high single target DPS. which is why I rather take my super shotgun and kraks

[brisk umbra]

Like it snipes elites/special really well, but god damn it was unusable

I think i'll try the combat shotty, since it works decently well on executioner

[thorn lark]

Ah yeah, bolter in Havoc. I was vacuuming the map tbh.

[native hamlet]

yeah

it's a beast of a weapon, and surely a beast of burden

[brisk umbra]

Either that, or just give up and accept Revolver even in it's nerfed status

[thorn lark]

Take agri cs if you're doing sniping

[brisk umbra]

i just need something that can be just get out fast snipe special/elites and be done

[brisk umbra]

and that's it, just tested a bit in the psychanium

power falchio dump stat is? mobility?

[thorn lark]

I think so

[thorn lark]

One of us one of us

[blazing jetty]

Mobility, yes

[thorn lark]

If you're doing exec stance, manstopper fullbore, if not, no respite fullbore

[brisk umbra]

just realized i never used that, probably missed an update 😂

[thorn lark]

CS glow up was done with arby update

[brisk umbra]

it simply got outshined by the executioner shotty on arbiter at least

[thorn lark]

IIRC in high havoc the bp are the same and you just have more ammo with the cs

And vet can juice it soooo much

@calm shard where's your cs video you mad lad!

[hollow ibex]

Agri is pretty insane on vet

Zarona is good too

Accatran is ass

[brisk umbra]

entering a havoc 30 right now, let's see :p

[thorn lark]

Not liking accatran slander

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ucanthandlethetruth-jack-nicholson-gif-11013414

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kant-immanuel-kant-no-you-kant-philosophy-gif-16359244

[hollow ibex]

It's like fatshart forgot about accatran

When they buffed CS

They just gave it slightly more damage and called it a day

[thorn lark]

Accatran is very nice on zealot. You can just suppress walls of reapers and shooters while diving. And burn bullwarks too

[upper dock]

Why use the CS on a Veteran when the arby exists. Better melee weapon, better shotgun, better talents, better survivability.

[hollow ibex]

See that clip above?

[thorn lark]

Lol

[hollow ibex]

Good luck doing that in arbi

[thorn lark]

Sorry mate but no lol

[hollow ibex]

Ehh even then

The burn is sad

Only four stacks per shot

Low cleave

Agri can just straight up kill bulwarks and reapers

[tall torrent]

I got smth to show u

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[robust herald]

I wanna do this

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

[robust herald]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

I can see psword having good synergy with agri

[hollow ibex]

Oh I just take psword because it's op even with no melee investment lol

[calm shard]

huh

oh

https://fximgur.com/a/SObUCHY

improbably long line of havoc 40 maulers

v agripinaa slug

[native hamlet]

wow

that is crazy

[true jackal]

infinite cleave will do that

[native hamlet]

truth and real

been thinking about giving the shotguns a try. this makes it look really promising lol

i rlly like boltgun for boss dps, but feels too tight in havoc. probably a skill issue, and maybe i should be prioritizing specials more

[native hamlet]

do you not run maniac and 10% elite damage on power sword anymore?

at least mk 6

[topaz lance]

Is this via manstopper?

[true jackal]

fairly sure yeah

[topaz lance]

Interesting build! What is the reasoning for not running the rending on MMF?

[brisk umbra]

do vets need some hp on havoc 30+?

because i just got one tapped by a pox burster

[hollow ibex]

I'm pretty sure it's bugged

And doesn't work

[hollow ibex]

Yeah unyielding Cara is the way to go now

Since scabs got buffed

[robust herald]

now that I found my build, Veteran has very very quickly went from 2nd least favorite class to favorite class

this is a lot of fun

[hollow ibex]

Maniac was for a very niche breakpoint anyways

[topaz lance]

FS strikes again...
What difficultiers do you play at? I am asking since I am mostly on damn/auric and found the Ogryn exe to be finicky to keep up

I want to work on getting up in havoc ranks again though

[robust herald]

I'm sliding around like a dog on a carpet, shooting enemies down with my super shotgun and then bashing their skulls in with a shovel and tossing kraks at crusher/bulwark packs and it's just SO much fun

[hollow ibex]

Usually Auric HITSG

[robust herald]

I've been stomping auric maelstrom, it's awesome

[proud parrot]

does anyone know if they removed the vet perk that gives him gain marksman focus from standing still?

[robust herald]

they dud

did

[proud parrot]

why?

[robust herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204429333972910091/1391989829344034957/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[topaz lance]

Ok last question, do you find yourself struggling with ammo at any point?

[topaz lance]

people hated it.

[orchid hemlock]

Running out of ammo with the Helbore?

[topaz lance]

This is about the combat shotty

[orchid hemlock]

Then yes

[hollow ibex]

Hmm not really. I do take a moderate amount of ammo usually on shoot

Builds

I also play aggressively so I get first dibs on any ammo that the map might have

[topaz lance]

Okay thank you!

[robust herald]

god this game is a cheek clencher

[native hamlet]

makes sense

what breakpoints did the previous one offer? if you remember

lol i just read a few messages ahead and there it was

[hollow ibex]

It was just PA headshot of muties iirc

[native hamlet]

as it should be

those stinkers deserve it

[native hamlet]

is that the special stab shovel?

[robust herald]

ye mk1

it's my favorite one

[brisk umbra]

yeah

[robust herald]

I realized

[native hamlet]

i remember trying a shovel out and the horde clear on the heavy attack felt dookie. gonna see what mark it was

it's been so long i dont remember if it was me while leveling up vet or not

[robust herald]

I use shovel on this build bcuz it's easy to use, fast, and procs bleed quickly

[native hamlet]

the foldable shovels for ogryn pretty much went obsolete with picks and scab faction hp buff so i didn't bother with the shovels here

[lean rune]

im stuck on a particular level, level 11 on heresy difficulty. i have played only the ogryn class before so there i am sort of invincible in melee as long as i can keep hitting. however, i have been unable to pass this level as inevitably once i get into melee i quickly die

am i doing sopmething wrong? i have the devil's claw sword at 310 level, so i dont think its my items or something

my build is mostly skilled for range and i am quite strong at range, but sometimes i will need to fight in melee i think

[robust herald]

send ur talents and all ur equipment

[lean rune]

do i just need to try and always keep at range with good positioning or something? sometimes it feels as if i must enter melee regardless

uhhh is there a concise way of doing that

or just multiple screenshots of the talent tree

but in any case is it really a talent diff or i feel like its a skill diff

[robust herald]

do you have Iron Will?

[modest stag]

maybe get Out for Blood, replenish toughness on kill

[native hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

just put what you got currently for talents

[frigid rover]

heresy, i think, is mostly overcome by learning to actually dodge and push
spoiler: you will have to fight in melee at some point no matter your build on higher difficulties ||unless you're like, flame psyker or hivescum or idk||

[native hamlet]

guess i built it wrong cuz it felt poopy to me

[frigid rover]

it is not a shooter despite giving you a gun, it is a hack and slash with shooter elements

[native hamlet]

my struggles was with mk1 shovel

rn it appears i ran thrust and decimator on it

[robust herald]

it's actually a great idea to embrace vet as a hybrid in that regard

[lean rune]

think this works: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0901500-21b6-4498-8cb3-8c3b7d153d8e

yeah, i dont have iron will atm

[lean rune]

hmm ok, on ogryn i pretty much never use my gun so i thought on vet if they have dedicated abilities i should probably mainly use my gun

[real loom]

First steals

[native hamlet]

i sure did. i didn't realize the shovels had uncanny strike

so mk1 can be pretty baller. are the other shovel marks yay or nay?

[hollow ibex]

3 is fun too

Prob a bit worse

I don't like 7

[robust herald]

I like decimator and uncanny strike

[native hamlet]

is it cuz of the movesets?

[robust herald]

use it

[robust herald]

all 3 of them are decent but mk1 is how I like to run it. it's just an easy to use trash clearer that pairs well with the super shotgun

you literally just light spam

with the mk1 shovel

the others can do the same but not with the same effectiveness as mk1

[native hamlet]

interesting

[frigid rover]

compared to ogryn, vet is pretty squishy, especially when first levelling to 30

so it's even more important to become solid on the general flow of melee, because you will get flattened in a few hits especially on higher difficulties

make full use of dodging / pushing and you will die less

[lean rune]

ah ok i never push, its important?

[robust herald]

it can be

not ALWAYS important but it can make a difference

[frigid rover]

pushing is great for controlling crowds yes

stop things from smacking you for a moment -> less damage while you smack them

[robust herald]

ye

[native hamlet]

great for trying to create an opening or breathing room

[robust herald]

it doesn't always work but it's just nice to have when you get cornered or are taking on too much

[native hamlet]

like say you need to snipe a special with a revolver, you could push the nearby trash to stun them temporarily while you get the shot off, and then go back

overtime it can become fluid

pushing also can lead into push attacks which can sometimes be useful

[robust herald]

I dont rlly push that much UNLESS it's a poxburster or I need to stop trash from hitting me so I can make a quick shot on a far away gunner

oh also pushing for buffs is a thing

not on vet but other classes

like "on enemy push, make your attacks cleave through enemies easier for 3 seconds"

which is big

[frigid rover]

myes

[limber bane]

whats the best alternative for sniping specials since plasma is fucked

[frigid rover]

zarona my beloved

surgical hand cannon

sword of justice

[modest stag]

helbore =)

[brisk umbra]

for havoc 40 how much life% you need as a veteran?

[turbid oracle]

Does this power falchion have an attack I've never been able to find again or just a visual bug. (MK II I think)

[brisk umbra]

is 5% or you need a curio?

[native hamlet]

i think you need like 200 hp

[native hamlet]

helbore, cursed boltgun, bolt pistol, zarona revolver, and agripinaa i suppose?

heavy laspistol is there too i think

[calm shard]

?

[turbid oracle]

Right after I shout it looks like there is a thrust move.

[calm shard]

no

just the regular slash light

[limber bane]

isn't helbore a meme for h40

[calm shard]

animation bugs out a bit because of voc

[calm shard]

helbore is a meme as a sidearm if you are built for it with Exe+MMF it is uncontested best gun in the game

[limber bane]

ye I play melee vet though

[calm shard]

then yes helbore is a meme for you

[limber bane]

I guess zarona will be it til they fix plasma gun

[calm shard]

it sucks balls if you are not built to use it as your main source of damage

[limber bane]

the problem with vet guns is

plasma gun is a literal fucking rail gun

doesnt make sense to pick anything else

[calm shard]

makes plenty of sense

since plasma gun has bad boss damage

bad ammo efficiency

bad horde clear

[stable socket]

if you have space and are built for it, helbore has way better breakpoints than plasma in high havoc

[calm shard]

you want any of those three things you gottta pick something else

[stable socket]

gunner/reaper 1shs is effortless on helbore but its rough on plasma

and surgical means you have basically infinite ammo whereas plasma is kind of an ammo hog

[heavy rover]

You'll have to pry the helbore from my cold dead hands

[hollow ibex]

Yeah and the latching effect is notably slower

[robust herald]

once I'm done with vet I'm moving onto Ogryn, but man I'm probably gonna miss sliding around like an angry monkey with a shotgun

well it's not like I'll have to completely delete my vet or whatever it's just I'll have to full focus ogryn and see what's good on him

[primal zealot]

you can still do that on ogryn

[lunar maple]

Hey what’s up with the recon lasgun marks

The mk VIc one looks like it has less ammo and it’s weaker than the XIV

[tepid otter]

Did they change the PA on the Falc as well

[mystic lodge]

IME IAG is better at clearing groups of gunners when they're spread out horizontally, ie in a firing line

Not to mention the vigilant autoguns, basically helbores with faster reaction time and less ammo

And helbores, imo they are better than plasma

Plasma is just easier to use because you dont have to ADS

[junior grail]

It's just the charging of helbores that throw me off

Kinda wish they could change it so it has alternate firing modes instead

• faster low energy shots
• slow high energy piercing shots

[hollow ibex]

That's pretty much how Mk IV works tbh

[sharp epoch]

on havoc you gotta do a whole bunch of stuff to achieve the one shot on a gunner hs

[lunar maple]

Hey for braced autogun should I run flak maniac?

[mystic lodge]

Yes

[dapper sapphire]

Chat what does deadshot mean when it says "alternate fire" if i were using a recon lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

just means ADSing

[dapper sapphire]

Thank you!!

[edgy nexus]

so for a bolter build which perks would be good on the gun?

kinda thinking on carapace damage and maniac damage or something of the sort, but not sure

[mellow halo]

helbore bayonet meta melee weapon!!1???/

[smoky galleon]

Lowkey kinda love smokes
I feel like they provide great safety for the team and allow you + team to move where you want without having to worry about gunners until you decide its time to deal with them
while when running bubble on psyker it just falls so fast on Havok 40
so the protection you get is more consistent against heavy fire but doesnt block Beast of Nurgle / bombers

[hollow ibex]

uhh maybe 2 years ago

[mellow halo]

there's no way it actually was

[mystic lodge]

It does exactly what it was designed to do

[serene bough]

It used to have funny interactions with bromentum lol

[mellow halo]

dueling sword is pretty nice but it lowkey feel boring is it just me

left click until enemy die

[edgy nexus]

duelling sword is kinda lame

[hollow ibex]

based

[mystic lodge]

DClaw enjoyers:

[mellow halo]

ok so it is just boring to use

[mellow halo]

🤔

[long dove]

is there any decent/good hellbore build? I feel like I can't get a decent build for it

[burnt pelican]

If i go helbore i go full ranged build and expect some sort of peeling which is why you shouldnt use it on pubs

U need to pull it out and shoot some shots for the chain shot blessing to kick in which takes a while

I go cara elite or cara flak chain shot surgical fastest mark

Whatever the chained shots blessing name is

[long dove]

I keep seeing Amourbane and surgical strike

[burnt pelican]

Since it takes a bit to charge shots u always pror surgical even when ur spam shooting u get +10 crit flat worst case scenario

Armourbane does what exactly?

[long dove]

stacks of Brittle

[serene bough]

Psword is also better on vet than DS is

[burnt pelican]

That works too if ur mainly focusing elites

[serene bough]

But yeah its a really bland weapon

[burnt pelican]

Brittleness is mainly good on crushers and bosses

Generally speaking

Cuz u can hit them enough times to make it worth the tradeoff

[long dove]

I miss being able to one shot crushers on Auric with my Helbore

Not I just feel kinda meh using it

[mellow halo]

oh really?

I should use it more

[serene bough]

Use the mk6

[burnt pelican]

They are both very good at different things

Its main downside is its mobility

[strange crow]

Talent tree or perks/blessings?

[long dove]

talent tree

and I used to love rocking the MIV Helbore

[tall torrent]

unyielding & flak

[edgy nexus]

why not caparace?

[tall torrent]

crushers are not worth the ammo cost for veteran + you have melee weapons that do quite well ve carapace

[edgy nexus]

what melee should I use?

i wanted to use tactical axe

[hollow ibex]

flakyielding

[hollow ibex]

prob #1 pick on bolter builds

[patent prairie]

Yall im making a Command Veteran and wanting to add a Vox pack but idk if i like this one currently available..should i get this one or do you guys think theres a better one?

[tall torrent]

gud for ranged builds that can't afford as much melee/global dmg bonuses

[edgy nexus]

good

now just need to lvl both

[tall torrent]

u decide which u like more (2nd one is most generic model)

[fading yarrow]

I think it goes well with that particular chest but I'm personally partial to the backpack you've already got equipped

[tall torrent]

I think the current voxpack looks better

but I don't like backpacks that much cuz most of them just clip into characters' body horribly

[patent prairie]

Thank you!!

[patent prairie]

You think so? I just wanted a box pack anyway to explain for the headphones he has on

[patent prairie]

So true tho..

[viral nacelle]

there are many vet builds but "spam krak" i just love it

so chainaxe

[edgy nexus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df040b6-b9cd-46eb-8be0-c3dd02afc350/meta-nrgaas-bolter-veteran-havoc-40

im following this build guys, what are ur thoughts?

[viral nacelle]

looks like a build

definitely a build

[fair shale]

The fuck

Who makes a vet build and doesn't take IW

[full salmon]

Is recon lasgun still the meta

[edgy nexus]

im not sure thats why im asking here lol

[strange crow]

Here's my build with helbore and tac axe, obviously if you're running a different melee weapon you'd want trench fighter. The bottom right talents (precision strikes to marksman's focus) are copied from path

Also if you're running mk3 or mk5 helbore then longshot is an option instead of one motion

And if you're doing havoc you need grenade tinkerer for kraks

[edgy nexus]

hmmm i want to run a more crit focused bolter

so im not sure which one is best for that

[full salmon]

What weapons are suitable for voice of command perk

[strange crow]

Voice of command kinda just a get out of jail free card

[fading yarrow]

It's alright The build would probably do right by ye as is, but since you're using Tac Axe I'd just suggest this as a small adjustment you can swap between

This would make it so that once you run out of ammo in your magazine, you can immediately swap to your axe and start killing things, which will refill the magazine for you without needing to reload

[full salmon]

Yeah Im still new at the game so I do get gang'ed up alot by the horde

[fading yarrow]

For horde survival, you can't go wrong with Tac Axe, Power Sword, or Duelling Sword, or even simply the Mk 1 Sapper Shovel

With any gun of your choice tbh

VoC is also quite helpful for staggering bosses long enough to chew chunks out of their health, which I tend to pick the Mk6 Power Sword and the Mk2b Bolter

[fair shale]

I think its meh, personally

Or worse than meh

[strange crow]

Tbh if you're doing a sniper bolter build you might as well choose a different ranged weapon

[edgy nexus]

sounds so much better lol

[edgy nexus]

like which one

[full salmon]

I'm using duelling sword right now but I feel like its light attack aint doin much damage

[strange crow]

Helbore or plasma

[full salmon]

Its fast YES but still

[edgy nexus]

Oh i didnt like helbore

[strange crow]

Duelling sword is def not for horde clear, its whole thing is that its a single target one-trick pony

[edgy nexus]

feels awkward af

probably a hot take

[full salmon]

So Tac Axe is what I need?

[strange crow]

Power sword is best, tac axe is cheap, combat axe is good at both horde and armor, and power falchion is if you want style points

[full salmon]

Do I need to build a specific talent tree for each weapon or like I can just use the class general build to apply to all of them

[fading yarrow]

Just gotta aim for heads and it'll do fine, especially if you have Uncanny on it. It's not as immediate as the other suggestions but I just personally like the way it feels

[full salmon]

Oh

[edgy nexus]

tac axe feels like it hits 10x per second

[strange crow]

Usually you make minor modifications to path's skeleton, like tac axe and falchion don't need trench fighter while the other two do

[full salmon]

Is Combat Shotgun a great deal since I havent used it yet

[fading yarrow]

Ehhhhh

It works but it's not my favorite tbh

Not good against armor

[strange crow]

Agri variant is good if you're not playing havoc

[full salmon]

I mostly use Recon Las and spearhead boltgun but still I couldn't handle the horde with the boss myselff...

[strange crow]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[fading yarrow]

The special slug is stinky

[strange crow]

Attack angle means you can't really hit multiple heads though, plus poor cleave damage anyways

[strange crow]

What lol

[fading yarrow]

I don't think we're talking about the same thing

[hollow ibex]

slug bad?

bros playing on a version of the game froma year ago

[fading yarrow]

Did they make it good?

[strange crow]

Agri mk7 combat shotgun?

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=693aec74&is=69399af4&hm=285a7b9c3a4b15836dd59ae9aad5dc2265aea469bc545c7470e27dd69a683f48&

[strange crow]

Bro i'm crine

Its been good for a while

[fading yarrow]

1984ed by Hadron

[hollow ibex]

armor performance depends on how much you want to invest into it

but agri is very good

[full salmon]

How do you send image here

[narrow frost]

be red

[strange crow]

Gotta keep chatting to get Convicts role

[fading yarrow]

Gotta chat until your name turns red

[full salmon]

Damnnn...

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-staring-patrick-star-staring-spongebob-squarepants-gif-7539111707904192075

Impossible...

[tacit sonnet]

still? It was meta for like a month during patch 13 and that's it.

[full salmon]

Any specific talent trees build for Recon Lasgun and Duelling Sword, guys?

[tacit sonnet]

It was almost never meta

[full salmon]

💔

oh

[hollow ibex]

it's decent

it's just a low skill floor / ceiling weapon

that's it

[tacit sonnet]

never said it isnt

[full salmon]

Whats the best ranged and melee weaponaries right now so far may I ask

[tacit sonnet]

but it's not meta and almost never was

[strange crow]

Recon prob not something you wanna base a build around, and duelling sword is a one trick pony

[tacit sonnet]

plasma ds/ps

[full salmon]

PS?

[junior grail]

Only wish ilasgun was near the level of popularity of reconlas

[fading yarrow]

Power Sword

[full salmon]

Oh

[fading yarrow]

And DS is dueling sword, ofc

[tacit sonnet]

falchion had a chance to become the new strong weapon that is also fun

but it completely fumbled

[junior grail]

I'd take Caxe over Falchion

[strange crow]

Melee is power sword, combat axe, and tac axe
Ranged is helbore, plasma, and vigilant autogun
Courtesy of our goat path

[full salmon]

Ight got it!

[junior grail]

Been a while but is Vigil Autogun good now??

[strange crow]

Revolver is great outside of havoc and recon is pretty good in generall

[tacit sonnet]

no

still abysmal dogshit

[fading yarrow]

Vigilant Autoguns were always good

[junior grail]

Hahahaha I see I see

[tacit sonnet]

they were so much better when they were headhunters

and the game didn't shit 15 crushers at you

[full salmon]

Idk I always pick Infantry autogun over vigilant autogun tho

[strange crow]

The 3 round burst (mk3) is good

[full salmon]

I like it BBRRRBBRBRRRR

: )

[fading yarrow]

The brrrt is very good

[strange crow]

Not like you're shooting crushers anyways tbf

[fading yarrow]

Vigilants just tickle my Halo battle rifle instincts

[tacit sonnet]

I want headhunters back

and make them good

[strange crow]

Mk 3 literally is good, path considers it havoc meta

[junior grail]

I remember someone telling me that graia was the meta vigil autogun, the single fire one but that was a while back

[hollow ibex]

it's the worst one rn

by a decent margin

[strange crow]

Rn it needs a lot more talent investment than mk3

@faint beacon could you send your agri vigilant autogun build? I kinda wanna try it out

[faint beacon]

I've been using Column but yeah I know Agri as equally as well but which keystone exactly would you prefer?

cause like they can use any of them if you're fine with your melee being Tac Axe

[strange crow]

Hmm I mean what would the difference be for each keystone?

And which one do you prefer?

[south spindle]

Veterans, is the Power Falchion good or nyet?

[strange crow]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

It's not power sword or tac axe level but it seems fun

[south spindle]

Aight, will try, last mastery to do

[strange crow]

Hype

[south spindle]

Usually play OG Shovel on Vet, so its summat new innit 🤷‍♂️

[hollow ibex]

meh

[south spindle]

Whats it good at, whats it bad at?

[regal belfry]

it has good hordeclear but it struggles with carapace

[south spindle]

Even powered?

[hollow ibex]

when powered: decent - good against everything

when unpowered: literally useless - bad against everything

[south spindle]

Eeesh

Thats rough

[hollow ibex]

FS really just looked at relic blade and went like

[strange crow]

Doesn't need trench fighter but needs rending strikes

[hollow ibex]

"what if we made this one-handed, and took away what people LOVED about RB"

[south spindle]

I take that by default anyway

[hollow ibex]

even the movesets are the same

[south spindle]

Hmm, will try grab one with Melk-tokens an see what its like

[strange crow]

Oh for your ranged weapon?

[south spindle]

No, I play melee Vet most of the time

[strange crow]

Interesting

Fire

[south spindle]

Ehh, it seems aight

Grey one with no perks, will run a match with it

[mystic lodge]

Pfal when powered is like...Rashad level of dmg

Rashad doesnt have to be powered tho

When unpowered its like Dclaw but tickles instead of clearing hordes

Btw I find Dclaw better than Hsword at hordeclearing

[topaz scarab]

can i complete "make every shot count" by just simple bringing in a low ammo weapon, shoot till i run dried and then use melee the rest of the match

[strange crow]

Yeah that's how most do it

[gilded pike]

Which gun

[strange crow]

Make sure your teammtes don't run scavenger or gunslinger though

[topaz scarab]

plasma and bolt pistol should work

[strange crow]

DB shotgun is the easiest but those work too

[topaz scarab]

atleast gonna try not be a handicap for the team

also long bomb is a bitch to get

whats thebest way to complete on overwatch

[strange crow]

Just throw at an enemy 40-something meters away iirc, you can see the distance when you ping and the grenade trajectory when you prime the grenade

On overwatch you just run voice of command and prob power sword or whatever melee you like best

[south spindle]

I dont think its gonna replace my Sapper Shovel in the long run will say that much

[faint beacon]

My ass forgot to respond, Focus Target or WS

[livid hill]

its FUN, maybe not good as in meta

it is defo useable tho

[faint beacon]

Its a weapon that exists

(its not good sadly)

its needs ADM changes to be better basically

[south spindle]

As above, Its not replacing my shovel at any point in the future, will get the mastery penance for it because its my last one, then probably never touch it again

[livid hill]

i love it because it completes my commissar cosplay and also because I hate the feel of the regular power sword

having to recharge it over and over again feels so clunky and the moveset is so shallow

[livid hill]

adm?

[faint beacon]

Armor Damage Mitigation, basically just how armor effects its overall damage

[little path]

It'a good weapon for horde clearing, little easier to use compaired to power sword on average

since you ujst need to activate and swing

but against any kind of armoured unit the damage takes a dive

[narrow torrent]

So is the fastest rpm recon lasgun still the best for infinite ammo shock trooper vet?

[little path]

eh

middle man version is better IMO

but highest RPM one is definitely most fun

[narrow torrent]

Yea, spraying down hordes on Heresy is just peak

I’ll have to try the middle one sometime then. Maybe it’ll blind me less too 😂

[little path]

If you have the full auto mod

[stark holly]

what are the meta melee weapons currently?

[little path]

the infantry lasguns aren't... terrible

[livid hill]

power sword

[narrow torrent]

Console so I’m sticking with recon las

[livid hill]

and... eugh duelling sword

[little path]

mk6 specifically

[livid hill]

pls dont use duelling sword on non psyker pls

its dishonorable

[stark holly]

isnt that pretty similar to the power Falchion? What advantages does the power sword have? I tried it out a few times, but it seems to only stay powered on for 1-2 hits (im still currently leveling up and gearing, so I dont have optimal setups)

[little path]

higher damage

significantly higher damage

[narrow torrent]

Don’t need to worry about meta melee if you simply never melee to begin with 😎

[livid hill]

moar damage for having to power it up more. i hate it but I cant deny its better bc of the sheer greater damage

if you want meta go power sword but meta isnt the end all be all

[little path]

It only really works when you get the power cycle 4 blessing

activate, swing 3 times, repeat for easiest horde clear

activate, block attack, swing, repeat for easiest boss damage and single target

[tacit sonnet]

true

dueling sword is a psyker only weapon as it was always meant to be

everyone else is just cheating

[full salmon]

Can someone show me the plasma gun build

[tacit sonnet]

aren't there builds pinned here?

Don't you vets have like the best guide

[little path]

do you mean the skill tree or the weapon blessings and perks

[full salmon]

Oh

Idk that

[strange crow]

In the process of being written

[tacit sonnet]

Still it's the best one available

[full salmon]

Skill Tree I mean but blessings and perks are needed as well

[strange crow]

No worries haha, I’ll take focus target please 🙏

[full salmon]

Thanks for reminding me

[tacit sonnet]

even wip

Can't compare

[full salmon]

But yeah I may need to see Plasmagun skill tree

[strange crow]

Just use path’s skeleton

[full salmon]

I have like 26 talent point in total rn

[livid hill]

even still I encourage psykers to use the other marks besides the stabby stabby heavy attack mark

[full salmon]

Path's skeleton?

[strange crow]

With exe stance, and weapon specialist if using power sword

[tacit sonnet]

I use 4 cause I don't care enough to switch to other marks

either way it's a dodge stick with agile and uncanny

Nothing more

[livid hill]

penis sword

[full salmon]

This is plasma gun build right?

ty

[little path]

That's the near standard meta build

[tacit sonnet]

I use knife 6 and ds 4 pretty much interchangably

Both do the exact same thing

[little path]

plasma gun doesn't typically use a specific build

[strange crow]

No it’s the basic core of any vet build rn, you won’t need to change anything to use plasma, just add the nodes you want

But exe stance makes most sense

And if running power sword you’ll need weapon specialist and trench fighter

[little path]

if you realy really wanted to do the funny high damage charged plasma

just run exec stance and focus target or marksman focus

but typically the best vet builds are running weapon specialist and shout

[full salmon]

I saw people use shredder frag more than Krak Grenade tho

[strange crow]

Well tbf knife actually has some horde clear but u need trench fighter

[little path]

because charged plasma shots are bad

[little path]

that's the old meta

[tacit sonnet]

I am psyker

not vet

[strange crow]

Oh right my b

[full salmon]

Ohhh 😭

[tacit sonnet]

idfk what trench fighter is

actually 0 idea

[strange crow]

Lmao

[little path]

10% attack speed

[tacit sonnet]

so exactly like that one psyker talent

[strange crow]

Yep

[tacit sonnet]

Which I also have 0 idea what it's called

[full salmon]

Is executioner stand better than voice of command for vet

[tacit sonnet]

NO

[sonic skiff]

is crit quick revolver with aim ability mid

[little path]

nope

[sonic skiff]

or am i building it wrong

[little path]

voice of command is by far the strongest vet ability for 1 reason and 1 reason only

it provides gold toughness

[tacit sonnet]

Shinji, crank that voice of command

[little path]

also it knocks things away

[full salmon]

Gold toughness??

[strange crow]

Rn it’s more versatile, voice of command is a get out of jail free card

[little path]

Basically overshields

toughness slapped on top of your toughness

and it's called gold toughness because it changes your toughness bar to yellow

[tacit sonnet]

aka invulnerability for 10 seconds for the whole team

[sonic skiff]

is executioner good with quick revolver

[faint beacon]

You can swap Agri out with Column

[strange crow]

Idk but path uses it with regular revolver and says it’s great outside of havoc

[little path]

this is the super typical meta vet build

the things with X on them are things you can take out for taste

[full salmon]

Is it base voice of command ability or