veteran-class

[hybrid flame]

Anything good for crowds since db is a single target slayer.
Shovel and heavy sword have marks with good patterns imo

[livid sphinx]

Any weapon goes with DS

[hybrid flame]

Ds if you like to braindead Spam lights shovel if you like to braindead spam wide heavies

[narrow widget]

truly one of the most capital of crimes

#removevet

[strange crow]

PS is just the best melee weapon in the game by far but yeah if you don’t like having to constantly activate it then it’s not gonna be fun.

[livid sphinx]

I dont think PS is good for single targets

[hollow ibex]

w-what

[strange crow]

Obvious bait

[hollow ibex]

you realize that PS is one of the few weapons that can reach 6500+ dps on an auric crusher

[strange crow]

He’s trolling dw

Rashad is good as a generalist but knife is fun if you want mobility and better single target

[charred drum]

Fancy inspect animations as a bonus

[versed mural]

You really think so? In the game? Not arguing, just curious to hear what you think

[charred drum]

I wonder if they will drop the pricing of the hive scum on steam winter sale

Since its really fresh out the gate

[kind bison]

Best melee weapon in the game is this chunk of glass I found under the Chesterfield in the back of the mess hall

[charred drum]

Rashun enjoyer fist better

[kind bison]

Actually on my vet I tend to like the falchion because it looks neat

[charred drum]

It does good mob clearing

The second version of it personally

[kind bison]

But I honestly wish the shovel was viable at higher difficulties because that's just aura

[strange crow]

Crazy dps, amazing horde clear with brutal, single target is cracked, makes light work of carapace

[charred drum]

We need Sharpened krieg shovel variant

[kind bison]

I mean Kriegers don't actually rely on their entrenchment tools as weapons

They're just usable as one in a pinch and Kriegers have that "Those whacky trench warfare guys" vibe

I ended up panicking in HD2 a while back and beat a devastator to death with a shovel...

[charred drum]

I like my kriegers, I think I still have a set of minis somewhere

Unless Gatto hasnt destroyed all of them xD

[strange crow]

Pls we don’t need to drag the meme any further

[kind bison]

I'd rather make my own guard based on the Canadian Expeditionary Force circa Vimy Ridge/Canada's Hundred Days Offensive

[charred drum]

Oke

[scarlet thistle]

Use bayonet

[charred drum]

I read that as Cadian xD sorry

[kind bison]

Crack shock troops, creeping barrage, war crimes, the Canadian trifecta.

[strange crow]

Roane deepers cosmetic???

Would be fire

[kind bison]

rumour has it that the Cadians are based on Canada's WWII troops or some shit

[charred drum]

I'm not too deep in the lore, but I can certainly see it

[kind bison]

Those are ANZAC, not CEF. Similar! But not the same.

There are no armies directly referencing Canada in 40k.

[charred drum]

I noticed we can get 500 aquilas when the event starts

But I think its gonna be like the path of exile mechanics where activating a shrine spawns waves of enemies

Randomly stumbled on the news, been a long day lol

[strange crow]

Both effectively served the same role in WW1 though is what I was getting at

[kind bison]

As highly effective shock troops, sure

The difference is that I'm Canadian, not ANZAC 😛

[versed mural]

Thank you! That makes sense

I’ve been playing with the knife but I might need to give the PS another try

I haven’t used it in a bit

[strange crow]

Shock troops is kind of a strange term to use here considering its context in WW1, but yeah both as professionally-trained units used liberally on the frontlines

[strange crow]

You need power cycler and either sunder or brutal but once you have that it’s wraps for the heretics

[kind bison]

I mean Canadian troops were kind of the first to use those tactics in trench warfare, so how is it strange?

[charred drum]

Considering the opositte side also had its own shock troops, fighting fire with fire

[strange crow]

Which tactics?

[versed mural]

I was using power cycler and brutal momentum. My only issue with it was that with super aggressive packs of enemies like ragers, you don’t always have the time and space to activate it. But that could be a skill issue on my part. Didn’t help that I had dumped mobility on it haha

[strange crow]

Haha yeah cleave targets is the dump if you didn’t know, and shout is great for letting you activate if ragers get too close before you can

[kind bison]

shock troop tactics. fast, aggressive assaults with small units that were able to cross no mans land under cover of night and rain hell onto sections of trench.

[charred drum]

Coordinated assaults with small units designed to blitz parts of a trench

[versed mural]

Yeah I didn’t know it at the time 😅😅
I love the power sword, though. I actually prefer the way the PS handles activation over the heat mechanic on the relic blade

[strange crow]

And when did Canada implement infiltration tactics in your opinion?

[versed mural]

I’ve never gotten comfortable with the heat mechanic on the relic blade/PF. it feels like I’m always worried about not having the activated state when I need it

[kind bison]

... literally all through WWI? And WWII, just not in trench warfare so much?

[tepid otter]

Aside from the class and new operations , is there anything else thats also new.

[versed mural]

Yeah, it takes a quarter second to turn on the power sword, but as long as you’ve got the space for that, the power sword will do what you need when you need it to

[kind bison]

Ogryn got a new personality. It's scarily smart.

[tepid otter]

Just them?

[versed mural]

I don’t want to be rude but I think you have a somewhat over-simplified view of the way that sort of thing gets implemented

[strange crow]

Entire Canadian divisions were using the infiltration tactics in 1914 that other armies only developed for battalion-sized units at most later in the war?

[kind bison]

Uh? What?

[kind bison]

That's not what I said at all, no.

[versed mural]

I don’t really know how to make that any simpler, sorry.

[strange crow]

Well you said all throughout WW1, and none of the commonwealth armies institutionalized shock formations like the rest of the combatants did

[versed mural]

Anyway, would the power sword and plasma gun be a decent combo for Havoc, or is the dodge going to be an issue?

[strange crow]

Canadian divisions were not given different doctrine than their British counterparts, they merely didn’t have to resort to conscription

[kind bison]

... There was ABSOLUTELY conscription in Canada in WWI.

wrong reply but still.

It pissed off the Quebecois something fierce, but conscription did happen to Canadians in WWI.

[strange crow]

Technically yes, but conscripts made up a very small portion of the Canadian forces unlike the British

[kind bison]

And on top of that, as much as Canadian doctrine may have officially mirrored British doctrine, the Canadians were aggressive, ruthless, and made a name for themselves as fearsome fighters on the front. They did absolutely engage in shock doctrine.

[dense belfry]

You are not going to believe this.

1st roll

[strange crow]

W

[versed mural]

“Aggressive, ruthless, and made a name for themselves…” etc.
This is what I’m talking about. Provide sources for what you’re saying. You’re making broad, sweeping generalizations about a massive group of people with nothing to back any of it up. I get the feeling you learn history from memes and video games, please stop

[dense belfry]

Perks and blessings recommendations?

[versed mural]

That’s not a constructive way to engage with the topic at all

[strange crow]

I’m not sure what you mean by “shock doctrine” but just like the British there were no discrete units trained in infiltration tactics

[versed mural]

This is the kind of writing I would expect from a middle schooler, quite frankly

[versed mural]

Exactly, actually define and qualify the things you’re saying.

[livid sphinx]

I actually thought we were in the Company of Heroes discord server for a second

[kind bison]

Pfft. I'm not the one who decided to start nitpicking against the fellow who said "I want to make a regiment based on the CEF" but okay there armchair general guys

[strange crow]

Uncanny + riposte and carapace + flak usually

[versed mural]

Not interested.

[dense belfry]

I see.

[kind bison]

Then why waste your own time with a reply?

[strange crow]

Nitpicking about your 40k fan regiment? I just commented that you kinda misused the term “shock troops” in the context of WW1.

If you have evidence proving Canada institutionalized shock troop formations feel free to share 🙂

[charred drum]

Think he meant it as a general term

[strange crow]

Uncanny and carapace makes crushers a non issue, riposte helps with the limited horde clear, and flak or elite help with breakpoints

[charred drum]

Does the recon lasgun with dumdum and fiery shot still perform decently well on damnation and Auric?

I havent played with it in a while?

[livid sphinx]

yes

[strange crow]

Yessir that’s like the only way you’d take it

[charred drum]

Perfect

[tall warren]

What’s currently the best cleave/horde clearing weapon for Vet rn? Or a weapon that can do both horde and vertical damage on bigger elites?

[austere mica]

Power sword

[narrow widget]

power sword

[frigid rover]

its crazy that the canadians would ride moose into battle against the necrons in ww2 bros
moose are scary as hell

[hybrid flame]

In ww2 the Germans had a saying.
"The British kill you with their tanks. The Americans kill you with their strategy. The Canadians kill you because they want to."

[tepid otter]

Did they actually

[hybrid flame]

Yep

[versed mural]

They learned that from the Aussies with their War Emu regiments

Upon seeing the better conditions enjoyed by their Canadian counterparts, several of the Emu regiments would lead a violent rebellion, in what became the first Emu War.

[versed mural]

The art of Emu Riding and mounted combat are now long lost, living on only in Australian oral traditions and a few fragmented inscriptions from the time period.

[lunar maple]

Where my Cadians at

[charred drum]

[tepid otter]

Scattered

[formal hamlet]

Looks like I missed out on the Death Korp cosmetics, guess I'll have to wait another 5 years for those to cycle back into the shop.

[mortal zinc]

Krieg stuff is nice, but it comes back as often as it does because it’s popular. I want the Enforcer stuff to come back. That plus the other weapon camos. Lack of Winterscar Tundra camo bugs me.

[silver patrol]

whops wrong chat

[grand perch]

Playing Remnant: from the ashes

[ocean idol]

IS Numeric UI working?

[proven plinth]

🦧
Where scion armour?

[dry cloak]

Good game

[topaz lance]

I'm trying to make Agri shotty + exe + WS a thing:

so far it kinda works a bit

[silver patrol]

cursed

[topaz lance]

better than the 10000th VoC build.

[silver patrol]

the talent selection is still quite something

[topaz lance]

Ok so what would you do differently?

[tepid otter]

Skirmishers goated tho, why skip that

[topaz lance]

Oh shit, you're right. That was a mistake.

[tepid otter]

I'd prolly replace Get Back in the Fight with like Serrated as well or Trench Fighter, specially with WS

One Motion's aight since you switch between your weaps a lot also, but i've heard its not all that important. I just like the faster switch

[stable socket]

how much does serrated do on powersword? it feels like powersword has such a fast ttk on everything that 2 bleed per hit doesn't really do much, but i could be wrong (currently i'm taking field improv but am looking at my tree to see if i can fit anything)

[tepid otter]

Don't need it on PSword I dont think. I usually only grab it to help build up bleed stacks on my Grenadier build

[stable socket]

got it, thanks!

this is what i'm running right now... if only i had 1 more point for 15% elite damage or 25% ammo

[topaz lance]

Yeah Id like to pick up something else but I need to path through it unfortunately. Otherwise I cannot get to the talents I want.

Giving up Volley Adept is painful on the shotties.

[tepid otter]

Tact reloads better on shotties as far as I've heard, just load one bullet in, cancel, and reload again to proc the 25% reload speed

Better than having to kill an Elite for every speed reload

[topaz lance]

My brain is too small for that, on Damnation and up Volley Adept is live 95% of the time.

[tepid otter]

You can drop Grenadier if you want, tho thats just me

[stable socket]

yeah... i've been thinking about that as well

extra nade and 20% chance for double isn't bad for boss nuking with kraks tho

but the other nodes are so tempting

[tepid otter]

Either that or Agile Engagement

[stable socket]

there's so many good nodes now after the tree redesign

[tepid otter]

Real, 30 doesn't feel like enough points anymore lmao

[stable socket]

i'm worried about losing special breakpoints if i drop agile, but then again agile isn't always up... it's a tough one for sure

i will sleep on it!

[tepid otter]

Yeah, I heard one guy say he doesn't trust that one in particular

I deffo don't take it as often either

Skirmishers and the following nodes are usually enough

[stable socket]

honestly with the way i play, skirmisher isn't up too often either... when i get stuck in with the powersword i forget to play the minigame to keep the stacks up

but dropping skirmisher doesn't save me a point cuz i still need to get down to ws, and conditional damage is prolly better than 25 toughness

[tepid otter]

Yeah I've felt that for like most my builds

for yours tho I think Grenadier and AE is like the top 2 I can optionally allocate

[stable socket]

yeah in the end it prolly comes down to preference

if it turns out exec stance + superiority is just enough to hit gunner oneshot headshot bp on h40 i will very strongly consider it

but also stimms... i hate stimms messing up my breakpoints

[tepid otter]

Whats your Ranged weapon in that one

[stable socket]

plasma

usually i run the metaslave psword + plasma build with voc but recently been trying out exec stance and it's pretty good... i do miss on-demand gold toughness and stagger though

[ancient nacelle]

ngl kinda wish we could dual wield a bolt pistol and melee weapon

whats the pros and cons of boltgun and bolt pistol compared to each other

[tepid otter]

I got so used to VoC ngl that I just stick with it on Havocs

[stable socket]

bolt pistol has a much faster draw time

[tepid otter]

Real

[stable socket]

but you can't magdump it as fast and it only has 8 (?) shots before reload instead of boltgun's 15

[tepid otter]

Sounds like a SoB thing people mentioned but idk if we'll ever get something like that

At this point I just want an LMG on my Vet

[stable socket]

same, but every time i do lights out or vent purge i look for a chance to run stance

cuz being able to see gunners/specials from far really helps

[tepid otter]

Definitely my least favourite modifier is Lights out yeah lmao

Flares should be a thing in those maps

[stable socket]

they're called psykers i think

[tepid otter]

Something you find running around maybe, and is consumable

Fair

[stable socket]

they follow you around and throw flames in random directions!

usually at enemies

[tepid otter]

Maelstrom can have that too right

I think i had a quickplay match where we didn't have a Psyker so it was just a bit more unbearable

[stable socket]

yeah

[agile mortar]

yo guys
can Bolter crowd clear well?

also
is Bolter and Chainsword viable

(I wanna be a Space Marine lite)

[dapper coyote]

Bolter tends to be anti specialists gun

Yes technically you can mag dump on a crowd

But the ammo eco is bad for it

[agile mortar]

aight
anyway I got a Bolt Pistol to go with my Chainsword

[tame lodge]

You don't need to use a bolter for Horde clearing when you have a Chainsword

[agile mortar]

yeah fair

the Chainsword does it fine
plus I have 4 frag nades for even more horde clearing
Bolt Pistol's good for hitting problems for far away

[dry cloak]

The second mark with lower ammo is better at that. But as other said. Yoi have chainsword for hordes

[agile mortar]

And also up-close heavies
Also
I'm sad that Revved Chainsword can't hit multiple things
Imagine if the charged attack just continued Through enemies once it kills ons to saw multiple up at once

One*

[dry cloak]

Revved up state is designed as powerful single target attack

[open ravine]

The game is lagging fiercely for me today

[hasty grove]

I keep thinking your pfp is a hamster 🥀

[mystic lodge]

in a pinch? yes

not advisable tho

[orchid hemlock]

Ok next time to find a new melee 😈

[primal pagoda]

guuuuuuhhh, so hot

hot deer girls hot deer girls hot deer girls

[hasty grove]

Why howdy

[primal pagoda]

hold on you're a deer girl????
gulp

can i DM?

[hasty grove]

I suppose

[primal pagoda]

awesome!

you seem like an interesting person would you like to join me in a group with 2 others? we're planning on jumping into the DLC all togheter!

[hasty grove]

I can but not for a while

I have to get out of bed and get my housekeeping for the day done

[primal pagoda]

ah yes ofcourse ofcourse

[mystic lodge]

get a room you 2

[orchid hemlock]

Anime is objectively bad so

😈

[mystic lodge]

or a vox channel

[mystic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bottle-to-the-head-stfu-gif-19841972

[hasty grove]

I agree in alot of cases

[orchid hemlock]

Even Jesus had haters

[mystic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-glass-bottle-smash-glass-bottle-fn-gif-1939936243869560022

[hasty grove]

You can’t hit women

[mystic lodge]

I dont

but youre a deer

[primal pagoda]

Made in Abyss and Berzerk are legendary pieces of cinema

[hasty grove]

Berserk is 80% shock content

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah people who like Berserk do it for the "power fantasy"

[mystic lodge]

stop right there

[orchid hemlock]

MiA is made by a PDF so that's a hard NOPE for me

[hasty grove]

I like Jojos

https://tenor.com/view/lets-take-ibuprofen-together-bruno-bucciarati-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jjba-part-5-gif-5681082236471865314

[mystic lodge]

finally some semblance of sanity

[hasty grove]

Glammed out runway men fighting with spirits 🤤

[mystic lodge]

I would like to dedicate a moment to thank Tencent for allowing us to earn 500 Aquillas for free

[hasty grove]

I can afford one sixth of a skin now!! Thanks

[orchid hemlock]

We need more gay anime tbh

[mystic lodge]

I will now purchase more Aquillas so that those 500 wont go to waste

[hasty grove]

[orchid hemlock]

I'm tired of: anti social guy with no redeeming qualities somehow gets a harem of "hot" underage girls number 839488339748383

[hasty grove]

We need more queer anime

Or anime that isn’t blatantly misogynistic

[mystic lodge]

warhammer 40k anime

Isekai

[hasty grove]

Im gonna have to stop you right there

[mystic lodge]

Ork harem

[orchid hemlock]

Guys guys I want to OWN women

How bad can I be???

[hasty grove]

Walk it back

[mystic lodge]

hear me out

[hasty grove]

I don’t want a wife I want a maid and a sex slave

[orchid hemlock]

New Civil War Isekai just drop

[hasty grove]

Who has an impossibly large chest in proportion to the rest of her impossibly skinny body too

[orchid hemlock]

Rent a GF Mangaka

Cheating on his wife with his own creation 💀

[hasty grove]

This

[mystic lodge]

have u guys tried not watching dogshit anime slop

[orchid hemlock]

I've tried

Hard to find

[hasty grove]

Just because I can bully bad anime doesn’t mean I watch it

[orchid hemlock]

Last good one I saw was Land of Lustrous

[hasty grove]

My bestie wants me to get into JJK

[mystic lodge]

Last good one I watched was Texhnolyze.
I didnt understand anything but it was mood

[mystic lodge]

mid

[primal pagoda]

i think it's deeply interpersonal. I enjoyed the psychological exploration of the different characters

[mystic lodge]

the manga was peak when someone wasnt getting r*ped

[hasty grove]

But for every bit of that you get mountains of gratuitous amounts of physical & sexual violence

[orchid hemlock]

I think people overhyped it because of the tik tok reels

Shonens are also too straight for me most of the time

So I just stick with one piece

[hasty grove]

I’m a survivor and would like to kick the Berserk writer in the balls exactly 8 times

[tame lodge]

Good choice

Top tier ost

[primal pagoda]

i didnt mind it. i think it was just edgy enough. i loved the freak stuff it made it more psychedelic or ethereal in a way

[mystic lodge]

Im sorry to hear that

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah berserk has this strange message about keeping all of your insecurities and trauma deep inside which is very unhealthy

Unfortunately the majority of readers don't get the memo

[hasty grove]

I’m not a pearl clutcher. That kind of stuff is perf ok in media. But Berserk handled it awfully

Made me sick

[mystic lodge]

My fav anime that I could understand was Cowboy bebop

[hasty grove]

Felt like the writer had some sick perversion and was writing it in with one hand

[wind gyro]

gang i need help rq. whats sum goodblessings tp throw on hellbore?

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Weight of Fire/Falter/Sustained Fire

[primal pagoda]

whats an example in the series reflective of what you're saying about it here?

[wind gyro]

appreciate it

[orchid hemlock]

🫂

Here so it never happens again:

https://www.doesthedogdie.com/

[orchid hemlock]

They are saying that Kentaro isn't good at writing about Trauma

[hasty grove]

What Griffith did

[orchid hemlock]

Guys Griffith did nothing wrong

AMIRITE!?!! 😭👍

[hasty grove]

Actually shoots you in the face

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shot-gif-10358343

[orchid hemlock]

With Griffith you can probably play devils advocate around the plotline

If you completely disregard the author's power over the story

But wtf was that Horse scene for? 💀

[hasty grove]

Author was writing with his off hand occupied

[frigid rover]

consume disturbing media
the media is disturbing
anyway, Power Shovel when

[orchid hemlock]

I mean I honestly didn't know what I was getting myself into when I read it

Even in the context of the setting some of those scenes where very out of place

[hasty grove]

This

I avoid things that disturb me

Including warhammer because alot of it too much much for ke

But sometimes you really just get jumpscared by some depraved shit

[orchid hemlock]

Also just in general, if everyone can express themselves then it is only fair to let everyone be able to critique

I have read some very dark topics that make Berserk look like a kindergarten book, and they handle it much better and more respectfully to the victims

There is a big difference between writing about these topics and proposing a message about it,

Versus using it to be fetishized

[dry cloak]

Its my old class mate in santas besrd

[orchid hemlock]

Santa Deniers better watch out this season 😈

[dry cloak]

Some people think its me with actual real white beard on me pfp

[mystic lodge]

I love the smell of Novichok in the morning

[final locust]

bro

they got any new cool guns

or are we still lacking in the new weapon for veterans section

[winged bane]

in finally free of volley

i got my penance

[mystic lodge]

for hivescum only

[primal pagoda]

but thats the point griffith is a character that is meant to be psychopathic, completely self oriented and using those around him

i love griffith he's a total psycho

[primal pagoda]

hmmm

i like it

[final locust]

how many missions have been added?

[mystic lodge]

1

not for hivescum only

for everybody

[primal pagoda]

the abuser horse is only in the book right?

sudden horsey sounds

[dapper coyote]

FUCK, I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE TANKERS JACKET

I could've become Courier 6

[dry cloak]

Veterunts have largest selection of weapons in the game

Start using those

[orchid hemlock]

I'm warning you my guy

I don't think this is a hill worth dying on 💀

[dry cloak]

Bear bull bear bull Bear bull bear bull Bear bull bear bull Bear bull bear bull Bear bull bear bull

[primal pagoda]

im just saying how he is. thats not something worth going left or right over, over a fictional character no less.
we're dealing with mature themes so you have to be mature to explore them. Griffith just is, and is fictional, it's fiction

[languid stump]

The new mission is insane

Barely any ammo pickups, nonstop fighting, two Valkyries get shot down overhead and explode

[orchid hemlock]

I don't know what being fictional has to do with the convo

I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that

[strange crow]

Rip the valks 😢

[languid stump]

When I read “escort knight commander” I was hyped that we’d see an imperial knight

Only to remember that “oh yeah that’s a title given to tank commanders” and also “there’s no way an imperial knight pilot would stoop to accept aid from some inquisitorial lackeys”

[dapper coyote]

(agility 100/50) [Plants a bomb]

[ancient nacelle]

how to do overwatch penace

[orchid hemlock]

Don't get hit pretty simple

If you want to "cheese" it

Just jump off the map to die and then have the rest of the team finish the mission without picking you up

[ancient nacelle]

its legit driving me insane

anyone wanna team up to help me cheese it

[orchid hemlock]

The penance?

[ancient nacelle]

yes

some meele damage deal hp damage despite having full thoughness

[orchid hemlock]

It's one of the easier ones

Like I said you will get it randomly one day

[ancient nacelle]

[cedar grotto]

So what is vet good at doing exactly

[dry cloak]

Killing stuff at range

Support

[tame lodge]

Pretty much everything

You're a jack of all trades that is actually master of something

[livid sphinx]

Anyone use the revolver here? The one where it fans the hammer?

[tame lodge]

It's a good boss killer

[lime gyro]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lD0CJsjgkurZ0KEd-?invite=cr-MSxZU0gsMTI4MzUyNTc3&v=15

the trench map is veteran paradise

[orchid hemlock]

The best specialist killer in the game

And is decent at everything else

Probably second best class atm excluding scum

[open ravine]

Is the event running yet?

[tall torrent]

2nd best, including hvs

[robust cliff]

Does anyone have a infiltrator build they would be willing to share?

[keen folio]

Petiton to give Dukane an official "Mommy Commisar" title after this campaign

[hollow ibex]

See here

[robust cliff]

Thank you!

[hollow ibex]

Infil is kinda cucked rn

Stealth bomber is prob the best way to build it

[tame lodge]

Denied

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

Dear fandom person
In front of you there's an average looking woman
Your goal is to leave the room without calling her mommy
The door is unlocked
Just leave

[unreal nova]

Possible, offer them a quadrillion USD.

[robust cliff]

I’m just doing it for the penance. But I’ve heard the build itself got fucked over.

[orchid hemlock]

I haven't tried scum in havoc yet so I have no idea

Based on what I've seen I don't see anything specific that would make them stand out in Havoc that other classes can fill already.

I'm thinking that they are a better elite killer than Zealot since they have more consistent melee damage, but they don't have utility like Book or Dashes with a Flamer for wave clear support.

They are however better at killing specialists than Zealot's are since they have much better ammo economy

[narrow frost]

Both have an infinite ammo ranged

[tame lodge]

Tknives vs Infinite ammo

😭

[unreal nova]

Points at shivs. Tknoifes 2.0. there.

With free busted chem toxin even.

[final locust]

ive used them all thats what i mean

it feels like reskins usually

oh well

[tall torrent]

hvs on a melee spec build with rashad is better than dps zealot

it's actually prob highest melee dps in the game

[orchid hemlock]

[orchid hemlock]

Wait Rashad is the best?

[ocean idol]

best hiver's melee

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly thought it was going to be cleaver and knife

[tall torrent]

yea it's easily the best hvs melee

[ocean idol]

Cleaver too slow

but i think cleaver is great for shooter builds

since big part of its power is poison

[orchid hemlock]

What perks?

[tall torrent]

unarmored carapace for rashad

[ocean idol]

why unarmored

[native ocean]

Why unarmored specifically?

[tall torrent]

unyielding carapace for bonesaw & crowbar

[tall torrent]

scab bruiser 1 hit + more overkill dmg to feed hyperviolence

[ocean idol]

how exactly does hyperviolence work?

there something undescribed

[tall torrent]

when u kill an enemy
25% of the overkill dmg is added to ur atks within next 1s

so if an enemy has 500hp and u do 700 dmg (200 overkill)

25% of that 200 (=50) is added to ur atks within next 1s

if u do 1000 dmg to a 300hp enemy ur overkill is 700, which adds 175 to atks within next 1s

the tldr is
take this if u use BM melee

[hollow ibex]

Yeah pretty insane

[ocean idol]

You said something additional about it

something not written

[hollow ibex]

Hmm?

[ocean idol]

How you were doing so much damage on consecutive hits on that captain clip?

[hollow ibex]

Idk what clip you’re talking about, you sure it was something I posted?

[ocean idol]

actually may be not

someone with similar name it seems

[serene bough]

The crate ability looks useful

Rampage would be nice if you never get hit

Idk how well hvs will do in havoc

[hybrid plover]

I'd imagine Hive Scum is ironically gonna be a frontliner choice because Rampage makes them do so much damage.

[tall torrent]

rashad wins again

[orchid hemlock]

Crate doesn't synergize with the right keystone atm

Once it does get fixed I'm pretty sure crate spam will be the best way to have infinite cleave in havoc

[serene bough]

Idk they seem really squishy

Status effects seem the way to go once crate gets fixed

[hybrid plover]

Ya. And they have some of the best dodge potential in the game.

It is hilarious how you can dance around enemies with Scum

[tame lodge]

It has 2 talents that add up to 100% cleave

They'll be fine

[trim coyote]

A ranged hivescum means I am drowning in ammo

[orchid hemlock]

Ah yes the squishiest class being good at the front line

Where have I seen this before? 🤔

[hybrid plover]

Psyker ain't even squishy now.

[orchid hemlock]

Range focus doesn't scale well into Havoc

[hybrid plover]

Legit, Hive Scum is if Meleeker was balanced lmao

[orchid hemlock]

""""""""""""squishy"""""""""""

[unreal nova]

Best to try to get to the melee keystone if you can afford it or go keystoneless.

[hybrid plover]

I can tell I'm still waking up lmao

[orchid hemlock]

But like crate is not useful if you can't spam it

[hybrid plover]

Waiter! More nigh permanent damage resistance for my space wizard class please!

[orchid hemlock]

Because only when you have a stimm in the inventory does it use the stimm

The only reason you drop it while it is on cooldown is to get the explosion

[serene bough]

Yeah this still doesn't convince me yet, then again I hardly played the class

[unreal nova]

I know, but my stimm cd is too much atm. And it eats my stimm to buff the crate.

[hybrid plover]

I have one thing to say

Nimble.

That node, is a complete game changer.

[orchid hemlock]

Just get CDR stimm

Nothing else

[unreal nova]

I get my ult back first.

[serene bough]

Whats nimble

[hybrid plover]

The extra dodge efficiency makes a massive difference in your survivability.

[orchid hemlock]

I don't think Scum has any other way to generate CDR

[unreal nova]

You forget, I am that person who can run into melee and come out with 0 WS stacks.

400 unstable ping is very special.

[hybrid plover]

Nimble

Dodges are extended by +25%, and time considered Dodging by +50%.

[unreal nova]

Ppl say the time considered dodging is bugged atm.

It lowers the time by 50%.

[hybrid plover]

Is it?

[unreal nova]

Not increase.

[serene bough]

Mmmm

[hybrid plover]

I haven't noticed honestly because the dodge extension lets me get out of the way of stuff a lot easier.

[tame lodge]

This one might be okay eventually

Because

[serene bough]

See thats very powerful but im not sure yet

[tame lodge]

Hiver dodge linger time is 0.25

Not 0.2 like the other classes

[unreal nova]

To be fair, getting flung away from crushers help lul.

[hybrid plover]

I've noticed myself getting some serious airtime on surfaces with the dodges lol

There's just so much momentum.

[unreal nova]

I took fall damage from that momentum before.

[serene bough]

Ive only been playing with rampage so far but i haven't gotten the bonesaw yet

How do people build hvs generally

[unreal nova]

Custom blu stimm with speed and dodge+knoife/shivs and it is hilarious.

[hybrid plover]

Lot of rampage going around.

Keystones are actually not necessary.

Since a lot of their general nodes are really strong actually.

[unreal nova]

Just sharing red/blu custom stimms and watch bosses disappear amongst the sea of endless butterflies.

[hybrid plover]

I been running a bleed + chem shiv setup and it seems to do pretty damn good on Damnation at least.

And it's not fully leveled yet.

[serene bough]

Bleed+chem does seem really strong

[faint beacon]

I’ll straight up catch myself spamming dodges with light weapons cause you just can with Scum

Nimble enabling it

[hybrid plover]

Dodging straight up is faster than sprinting

It's so good.

[faint beacon]

Look I love playing Chemist Scum but im going to try to not do it too much cause it’ll enable a bad habit

[unreal nova]

Sprint slide when out of dodges.

[unreal nova]

Too late, you already dependant on the stonks.

[hybrid plover]

Says you. This class is still squishy as shit with that in mind.

I'm genuinely glad they actually balanced this one out better as opposed to how Arbites was at release.

Because it's so squishy and skill dependent that I don't even think it steps on Zealots toes that much since they're just much sturdier.

[faint beacon]

People getting filtered out by how squishy it is and calling it bad lmao

[hollow ibex]

lol crabwalking is so back

[leaden condor]

Arbites is boring tbh

[hollow ibex]

Crabsliding now

[fair shale]

You could tell people were getting filtered by the hour tbh

[hybrid plover]

There are so many hive scum getting their shit kicked in

[unreal nova]

When you backdash so fast and far...

[fair shale]

Matchmaking very quickly went from all scum to a lot og other classes again

[leaden condor]

I had one guy waffling about defensive talents being bugged or something. No buddy the class is just squishy

[hybrid plover]

While that I was playing damn with some peeps and I was tearing shit apart at level 8 lol

[unreal nova]

What defensive talents? You mean dodge better?

[hybrid plover]

I didn't even go down until like, level 17 because of a ninja crusher.

[leaden condor]

Idk I haven't played the class yet

[fair shale]

I saw so, so many randoms crying in chat while they floortanked about the survivability being bad and I'm sitting there missing a whole 8 health like "you sure it's not you?"

[leaden condor]

Suddenly forgetting how toughness works

[fair shale]

You can tell who was an arb main before buying scum and who wasn't

[unreal nova]

I went down alot by the end cos I pushed too far into playing 400 unstable ping while half asleep.

[hybrid plover]

same

This class is not a class you can play when you're tired I'm noticing

[fair shale]

Desperado feels so good you forget it's gonna run out at some point lmao

[hybrid plover]

Because by that point I realized I was startign to make a lot of mistakes.

[unreal nova]

I don't use it. I share my red/blu stimms.

[fair shale]

I haven't used crate yet

I got addicted to twin autos+desperado

I gotta farm penances today

[unreal nova]

Half toxin build with blinders+3 chem stacks.

[hybrid plover]

Blinders are so good.

[fair shale]

I love blinders, I will say

They also have the most fun way to regen in game

[unreal nova]

I miss over time regen though.

[fair shale]

Tbh I kinda prefer killing to regen

[unreal nova]

Mortis with heal+void+20 sec regen on it was hilarious.

[leaden condor]

I've noticed arbites feels like it's kinda overreliant on its unique weapons to actually deal good damage

[fair shale]

I can kill 20 people before a minute regen for em

[hybrid plover]

Eh, I wouldn' say that

[fair shale]

Disagree mainly cause combat shotgun no diffs their shotgun

[hybrid plover]

I think the exe shotguns

Are kinda mid

[fair shale]

I think the exe shotguns suck tbh

[unreal nova]

Is just they work best with the set up.

[leaden condor]

Idk like the arbites shotgun and shock maul have really juiced stats and I question what the point of taking normal variants is

[hybrid plover]

Agrippina cs mogs every exe shotgun

[unreal nova]

At least for melee.

[fair shale]

Big time, like it's not even funny

[leaden condor]

Agrippina mogs everything

Those slug shells are no joke

[hybrid plover]

Reg shock maul is really good cuz skullcrusher + concussive synergy.

Also crusher.

Tac axe and combat axe are also great.

Arbites is the one class where shock maul is not completely mid.

[leaden condor]

Okay I'm missing something then cuz I had a combat axe at way higher power level and the shock maul still was doing almost twice the damage

[fair shale]

The only thing I truly love on an arb weapon is the flashbang the shield gets and I never see arbs actually use it even if they have shield

[leaden condor]

I love the shield flashbang

[hybrid plover]

was it rashad

[leaden condor]

I forget

It wasn't the blue one

It was one of the single target marks

[tame lodge]

Haiver with the cheems

[leaden condor]

Arby also just has weirdly lacking options for weapons

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/vueltas-cheems-gif-18111877887335996699

[leaden condor]

Like why can it take chainsword but not chainaxe

[fair shale]

Arby feels entirely constrained by GW "has to be like current art and models" stuff

They were, in retrospect, probably a bad addition

[unreal nova]

Because special on controller is right stick. Is usually annoying to press if you wanna look around. Also forgotten.

[fair shale]

Doesn't explain the PC players not using it tho, although I don't have numbers on Console/PC arb split

[unreal nova]

I play on PC with controller.

[leaden condor]

I've always thought planetary enforcers woulda fit the game better

[fair shale]

I would rather pull my finger nails off than use a controller tbh

[unreal nova]

So... choice of systems don't matter.

[fair shale]

Unless it's dark souls or something adjacent

[unreal nova]

LEGO games?

[leaden condor]

Enforcers wouldn't be restricted as much in terms of cosmetics or whatever either

[fair shale]

Tbh they probably would have

[fair shale]

I think i played Skywalker saga on KB/M

Cause of the third person aiming

[leaden condor]

You wouldn't get the robot dog I guess? But I think the riot shield stuff would have translated just fine

[unreal nova]

That's newest. Older ones are... sussier in m&k controls.

[fair shale]

I havent played a classic Lego game since I played them on PS2

[unreal nova]

I have nearly all of them. I just like the humor.

Older ones is like OG DS1, just dig up a controller.

[fair shale]

I own them for nostalgia sake but I don't really go back and play the old old ones tbh

[leaden condor]

People are like "but savant was an enforcer", yeah but heavy's also a hive scum and he's still an ogryn lmao

[fair shale]

Has anyone ran into a heavy og in game yet?

I found 3 ogs yesterday but none were heavy

[faint beacon]

Honestly a wake up call even in regards to going from Vet “previously squishiest” to Scum cause like

[leaden condor]

Like recruiting the planetary enforcers into the warband is very different from a psyker that used to be an enforcer

[faint beacon]

With Iron will you could at least challenge gunners for a few seconds

[fair shale]

Vet is a tank compared to the actual ballerina Ganger is

[faint beacon]

Hive scum

You have to respect them unless you pop desperado

[leaden condor]

I'm guessing most dont want to change their character voices

I feel like each of the ogryn voices are very easy to get attached to

[faint beacon]

I hear gunners firing with an immediate down sfx in havoc and see it’s the Hive Scum I’m like not remotely surprised

They are the Achilles heel to them

[fair shale]

Tbh I don't like any of em

[unreal nova]

Vet has shout, funni toughness regen against ranged, Iron karking will.

Oh and exe stance regen.

[leaden condor]

There's currently an endless deluge of hive scum trying to beat the twins mission on heresy difficulty

[fair shale]

Lmfao

[leaden condor]

None of them succeed

I was playing vet last night and I shit you not I played that mission like at least a dozen times before I gave up and just dropped to malice cuz they inevitably get folded almost immediately at the last fight

[unreal nova]

They refuse to just drop to uprising for it.

And then go back to heresy.

[leaden condor]

What's the name of the second difficulty again?

[unreal nova]

Malice now.

[leaden condor]

Malice

There's like

A very stark contrast in difficulty between heresy and malice for that mission in particular

[unreal nova]

Hp diff is massive now.

And extra mechanics.

[leaden condor]

There was also just way worse spawns on heresy I noticed

[unreal nova]

That's in all.

I saw 5 reapers and 20 gunners at once in malice.

Waiting to shoot into a lift.

Karking hell was that indeed.

[leaden condor]

Eh I don't usually see many scab ragers in heresy but the boss fight liked to spawn like a group of 5 of them and they'd just overwhelm the scum cuz they're trying to bumrush the sword lady

[unreal nova]

You sure? I see way more than 5 in heresy often.

[leaden condor]

Not like

That uncommon

[unreal nova]

Only less if they crusher spam instead.

[leaden condor]

But the ads in the final fight are much easier on malice I noticed

[unreal nova]

Lower hp.

Heresy and damnation stuff got massive hp buffs.

[leaden condor]

There's no dregs at all in that mission so the spawns are kinda funky in general

[unreal nova]

Even bosses.

Uprising and malice had the hp buff reverted or nerfed.

Could be why. Breakpoints on malice no longer apply on heresy.

[leaden condor]

It wasn't the hp the enemy spawns were just much less severe on malice

[unreal nova]

Yeah, harder 'soft caps'.

Which sometimes gets ignored.

Though the fight itself technically is more scripted with spawns.

Why if heresy too hard, drop a diff. That fight is basically on +1 diff than it shows.

At least back in the days.

[ocean idol]

Hiver now gets to use double barrel better than vet

it is so jover

[leaden condor]

Definitely still is I reckon

Part of the issue I felt was most of the scum just didn't have anything for armored enemies so they just got folded if a group of ragers or maulers showed up and I couldn't clear them fast enough by myself with a helbore

[unreal nova]

Triple barrel?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, armoured sucks unless you do knoife uncanny crit bs or high adm weapon.

Or chems. But now you need to kite for like 5 secs.

[ocean idol]

Yes

And infinite ammo with quick reload

[unreal nova]

Guess we know the class does step on vet's toes as well.

Then again, lul.

[leaden condor]

They'd waste all their chem nades by then lol

[unreal nova]

Needler?

Or ehm, bonesaw last resort?

[leaden condor]

I didn't really see people using it

I saw a few bonesaw people ig

Most were running like dual pistols + crowbar or shivs

[unreal nova]

Though purple might kill faster... or stack both.

Yeah, price of poor armour clear on two armoured bosses.

[tall torrent]

pickpocket doesn't fill ammo into the gun tho?

[primal pagoda]

i'm chatting with a girl in VC and she said ''i think you're a secret genius'' is she using the rizz chat?

[ocean idol]

??????????

and

what pickpocket has to do with anything

[tall torrent]

how else is hvs better with DB

[ocean idol]

Because can infinitely spam it

you can spend whole game without touching melee

also you can have 3 shells in the "clip"

[primal pagoda]

anyone who answers this will get a big kiss

[tall torrent]

not sure if that's "better" tbh

[ocean idol]

And have really fast reloading even withot blessing

[tame lodge]

Bro needs to reload

[copper parcel]

Wonder if I should switch from Krak grenades to shredder grenades; feels like everything dies before the krak explodes even with the shorter fuse they have now

[raw sky]

anyone run Plasma Gun on a melee-focused CQ vet? not sure what to do for blessings

been having some success with Gloryhunter and Blaze Away, but i recently switched to shout instead of marksman stance and am having trouble

do i throw gloryhunter away for something more crit focused?

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot Rising Heat

[raw sky]

thanks king

[leaden condor]

I wish we had a plasma pistol

[tame lodge]

And if you want to go for the Blaze Away play style

Then it's Blaze Away Optimized Cooling

Do mind that the tooltip for optimized cooling just don't explain things properly

[hybrid plover]

it cant guarantee crits like vet can

It's good with Hive Scum but there's a particular reason it synergizes with Vet.

Not only that but you don't ever have to reload with vet db if you play right.

[tough nova]

Either you're throwing them too late or your team is wasting damage on dead targets. Either way kraks are good overall.

[ocean idol]

With that one blessing giving crit chance for each enemy hit they are almost guaranteed

And with vet to get those crits you need to have like 2 melee kills

Here yuo can just spam shots

From some distance

[ocean idol]

again, relying on melee

[hybrid plover]

scattershot

so you're giving up manstopper for that, which immediately makes the double barrel not as good

[ocean idol]

No, you are not? YOutake both

[hybrid plover]

not having flechette significantly hurts the mixed horde clear potential

[ocean idol]

Actually no

Because you can just spam 3 shots into a horde

Can't do that with vet while maintaining reliable manstopper

just try it

[faint beacon]

God I love running stimm packs but holy shit it quickly reminded me of how oblivious your team can be

Puts back down, marks the exact area where it is

They avoid it like it’s the Plauge and it despawns

[winged bane]

whats the dump stat on power sword?

[ocean idol]

it is always mobilikty

on every wepaon

except those that don't have it

[hybrid plover]

no

cleave targets

[tall torrent]

cleave targets

[ocean idol]

no?

Damn

why/

[tall torrent]

do u care abt 0.8 cleave

[winged bane]

damn 64 cleave/ 76 finesse and thats the best i got

[hybrid plover]

two of the main picks for blessings, sunder and bromentum, don't give a damn about that stat

since they bypass cleave mechanics significantly on their own

i also tried the funny db build

it's okay

[hollow ibex]

Green is the color of Nurgle. Blessed are the ignorant.

[modest stag]

whats a good build that shoots a lot of bullets? i don't think plasma is my gun

[slate wave]

I will not touch the color of the archenemy

[fair shale]

Same issue NA arb has tbh

No one wants to stand still in your aoe

And tbh I don't blame em

[tame lodge]

Laser pointer

Gimme a sec

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[faint beacon]

That’s why I run long lasting so it’s a pop on area and move and they STILL avoid it

[modest stag]

ty!

[versed mural]

Not enough context to say one way or the other, unfortunately. It’s definitely friendly but she could be saying it in a flirty way or in a way that’s just meant as an offhand comment.
Unfortunately you can’t really extrapolate an entire relationship dynamic from one sentence. Good luck though boss

[hollow bane]

bug

[raw sky]

thanks again sexy. is ded killy

[orchid hemlock]

Wait is that me

[woeful oxide]

for a range build how good is the sapper shovel with the helbore?

i was told the tactical axe is better but by how much

[swift river]

Why must every update erase the talent trees...

[modest stag]

how about something that doesn't have charge? and just goes pewpewpew

[livid sphinx]

I never touch builds that use WS hehe

[livid sphinx]

Yeah its annoying because I was playing right after the update and I thought everything got nerfed. Turns out they just erased my build

[swift river]

It's annoying cause I don't remember what I had!

[hollow ibex]

That's insane lol

[woeful oxide]

WS?

[swift river]

Ugh, I only have one build memorized... For my Veteran, using Knife and Revolver

Trying to remember what I had for my Generic Cadian Shock Trooper 😄

[primal pagoda]

she sounded happy and horny i think, is this important information?

[orchid hemlock]

Shovel is mid

Not great not dogshit

[remote sonnet]

Ganger's desperado is what I wish Vet's exstance and marksman focus should be.

[hollow ibex]

nah ES is fine as-is

and same with MMF

pathing for MMF just needs to be better

[vague hound]

how's the power falchion?

[tepid otter]

Pretty mid, I enjoy it as a weap tho

[vague hound]

is dueling sword still the best for getting rid of elites?

[hollow ibex]

powersword

[vague hound]

even for a support vet build?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[vague hound]

anyone able to screenshot a "support" talent tree build they run for vet?

[hollow ibex]

take this

then take VOC with duty and honor

and born leader

[vague hound]

preesh ❤️

[hollow ibex]

i wouldn't bother with the other "support" talents

unless you're into cucking yourself

[strange crow]

Just run a typical vet build with VoC and scavenger

Which is most vet builds anyways

[vague hound]

what are the go to perks for the power sword?

[tepid otter]

Cara + Unyielding, unless someone can quote me on that

[vague hound]

those were my old go to perks so sounds about right

and blessings?

[tepid otter]

I got Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum on mine, but idk what others use

[primal pagoda]

gulp
meta?

what are the meta nodes then

[hollow ibex]

mostly bottom right nodes

though a lot of builds will work

it's just that bottom right is stupidly strong

[strange crow]

Power cycler and either sunder or brutal momentum

[vague hound]

ty

i guess i shoudl ask which mark as well

[hollow ibex]

PS? mk6

[vague hound]

❤️

[narrow widget]

only in death does duty end for sure you can trust me

[tepid otter]

These scooms are splooging all over the place

[leaden condor]

Chat what's a good melee to pair with the hellbore

I've been trying different stuff out but nothing has felt too great as a backup weapon

[pine plume]

Any crowd clearer? Chainsword or something

[hollow ibex]

i go heavy left side with helbore

[hollow aspen]

Long time L4D and B4B player, fairly decent and understand the gist of these games - I'm trying for a support/commissar type vibe with identifying targets, shout, etc but I never really feel like I'm making a diff compared to my teammates. Is that normal?

[hollow ibex]

so i run a low investment weapon like taxe

[hollow ibex]

support builds don't really exist in the game. everyone needs to do everything.

[pine plume]

Powersword, heavy sword, dclaw, anything really

[hollow ibex]

you can take support talents

but there aren't exactly set class roles in this game

[hollow aspen]

Got it

So what do good vet builds look like?

[tepid otter]

Im liking Bistol with Psword atm with my grenadier build

[pine plume]

Vet is in a weird spot rn I'd say

[tepid otter]

Still seems aight imo

[faint beacon]

I'd say Vet is still in a good spot

even after the class drop

Hive Scum and Veteran are way different from each other even though they can share similar roles

[tepid otter]

I'm nading it

[pine plume]

I haven't played vet in a while, so what do I know I suppose

I'll have to come back to it

Just as soon as I stop tweaking on inquisition sponsored methadone

[tepid otter]

Wuh

[pine plume]

Im scumming it out rn

But maybe playing vet now and coming back to scum later is the play

[tepid otter]

Vet supremacy

[hybrid flame]

[lavish olive]

whats the dump stat for helbore ?

[hollow ibex]

stability is my pcik

[lavish olive]

stopping power?

fair yeah

ty

[hollow ibex]

not stopping power

stability

[lavish olive]

yeah

i did the thing you suggested

[tepid panther]

What's the dumpstat for the revolver?

[narrow widget]

damage

[sick tree]

What shape is Vet in for this patch?

[livid sphinx]

He's in human shape

not ogryn

[narrow widget]

hes shaped normally

[sick tree]

[trim coyote]

It's prob not optimal but I love just having my vet be able to mark and ability wallhack sight ranged foes that may be trouble for the frontliners.

[narrow widget]

exe stance is cool and good

[blazing jetty]

I always find myself coming back to the bolter

Very punchy and easy to aim

Heretic hiding behind one of his comrades? Don't care, just shoot straight through both of them

[livid sphinx]

Yes the bolter has the best feeling

But most of the time I prefer seeing my name on the top left of the screen

so I just go for plasma

hehehehehehe

[dapper coyote]

2H SHOVELS WHEN

[tepid panther]

I was testing out the revolver, but I feel like I like the bolt pistol better.

[neat shadow]

is the heavy sword anygood on vet

[dapper coyote]

Its good, until you encounter crushers

Then its GG

[neat shadow]

i use plasma gun so idc about big man

[dapper coyote]

Fair enuff, then its good without feeling ass or cheese

[neat shadow]

i was using the chain axe for a while but im bored and want a new weapon

[fathom shoal]

is charge rate the dump stat on the helbore lasgun

[hollow ibex]

no charge rate really matters

it's stability

or you can dump ammo on some builds too

[tepid otter]

Hey @lunar maple

Saw this and thought of you lmao

[tepid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[faint forge]

Did the Vet get a rework again since the most recent one? Logged in to my Vet for this New update and it's reset again. I had redone him after the recent rework so I'm confused.

Didn't see one in the patch notes but maybe I missed it or it was in an in between patch I missed?

[gilded wraith]

Nope, just Fatshark goobering up the QA process. Adding movement freedom to the skill trees borked everyones saved skilltrees.

[obtuse finch]

What's the best stuff for a chainsword on a VOC vet?

(i dropped mobility)

[hollow ibex]

shred/wrath

flakiac for blessings

perks*

[wet anvil]

Ah I have an idea we must trick the orcs into thinking cadia didn’t explode

[clear lantern]

I like how a lot of people were being overdramatic about hivescum being a vet replacement before they learned the hardway that scummers are even more fragile at range

seein' level 10 scums with "Havoc Forged" and "Auric Storm Survivor" going down in malice.

yeah bro, you're not wearing any armor. You don't have defenses like zealot or ogryn that can rush down. Better start fuckin' dodgin' and slidin' like you're goddamned Turkish Oil Wrestling

https://tenor.com/view/hakan-street-fighter-sf4-iv-time-to-oil-up-gif-17385464

[hybrid plover]

Fatshark: Makes penances private game only to stop people from throwing games to complete them.
Also Fatshark: Makes a penance where people will deliberately throw games to complete it.

I just don't get it. 😭

[leaden condor]

I fucking love this new mission

[lunar maple]

What blessings are gud for the infantry lasgun

[lunar maple]

Fuck yeah

[leaden condor]

Makes me wish we had a battlefield style militarum game even more

[mystic lodge]

or maulers

it struggles against maulers as well

[mystic lodge]

theres no replacement for Exe stance

[neon pecan]

Does bleed DOT and fire DOT from things like shredder grenade and recon with infernus still scale with talents that say they effect just "Damage" or "Base Damage"?

Same question but for Explosive Prox. and shredder nades

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[frank ledge]

Fellow killjoys

• What would you prefer, 50% cooldown reduction and cooldown on ranged kill
• Attack speed and reload speed
• Strenght and Rending
• Strenght and crit

I'm cooking a stim for you

[neon pecan]

50% CDR on ranged kill is nuts, pretty sure we only get 1 node for CD on kill so that one is good. That or strength and crit imo, but I don't know the values of those.

[frank ledge]

[lunar maple]

What’s good to run blessing size on infantry lasgun?

[sudden cedar]

Last thing i know is that.. you should just ditch it in favour of other guns.

[stable socket]

there's a not 100% up to date guide in the pins that tells you how to build every weapon but most of it should still be relevant

ilas (and laspistol) is kind of rough to play without some kind of shooting automation though, because iirc they're semi auto

[sudden cedar]

Yes they are semi-auto.

The only full auto las weapon right now is the Recon Lasgun

[topaz lance]

Bolt action rifle for vet when?

[fair shale]

I hope never

I can already see backline vet sitting with their rifle getting murdered trying to snipe

[topaz lance]

Okay? bad players will be bad. No different from say a Hellbore.

[sudden cedar]

In my opinion, being adept at using the helbore includes handling the urge to tunnel vision and a solid self defense.

No one really enjoys to babysit one of those sniper types and can't always do it anyway.

[fair shale]

Tbh? I let em do their thing.

If they don't keep up that is on them.

[sudden cedar]

A bit harsh, but i can see why.

[fallow shoal]

im new is a recon lasgun with all 80s and 70s in damage and collateral good or should i keep looking for all 80s and a 60?

[fair shale]

60 mobi

[strange crow]

If you’re not level 30 yet that’ll be totally fine, but once you hit level 30 drops for all 80s and a 60 become more common

But 60 collateral is the way to go once you get there

[fallow shoal]

ok cool

i also got an all 80s 60 damage knife is that the right dumpstat or should i look for a different one?

[fair shale]

Damage is never the dump stat

Cept on flamer and maybe needle pistol but those arent for vet

[fallow shoal]

ok thanks for ur help guys 👍

[strange crow]

Believe it or not damage is actually knife dump stat if you’re mobilitymaxxing

But yeah damage is almost never the dumpstat otherwise

[fallow shoal]

oky doky thankyou

[strange crow]

Ofc ofc

[livid sphinx]

The event seems a little difficult

[sudden cedar]

Nah its fine.

[livid sphinx]

Nvm its fine. Its just that it takes too long to finish one

Where can I see the progress on the event

[tame lodge]

Tab

Then E

[mystic lodge]

60 on Collat

[split lantern]

Can’t trust fucking psykers

[azure narwhal]

My beloved says we should try to work together more.. as a team, you see?

[split lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jpj-frightnight-vampire-getback-stayaway-gif-26434143

[fiery ledge]

Everyone running bolt pistols in my games name tf

[sudden cedar]

It is a good ranged weapon.

[dry cloak]

Dependable sidearm

[tame lodge]

Engravings!

[sudden cedar]

Why would you trust a psyker in the first place?

[fresh thistle]

Heyo question has the vet tree being revamped or had new abilities added?

Heck did the devs at tub of lard shark give veteran something better than smoke nades?

[silver patrol]

compared to when

but no, not with the last update

[tame lodge]

Nothing added on the hiver update

[spare perch]

Everyone else enjoying the new map? By the Emperor i am

[mystic lodge]

peak map

[spare perch]

I just wish I could go over the top and charge into the other side of the trench line

[tame lodge]

At some point

My discount speakers stopped working with directional sounds

SFX and voice lines

So only the music played

During the more open part

Pretty nice

Just wish I had more ammo for my Ripper

[unreal nova]

Cos they can be dependable... well, some can be.

[tame lodge]

Cutthroat trusts Savant

https://tenor.com/view/twd-the-walking-dead-marillytw-thatjan-shane-gif-8279454489356140369

[sudden cedar]

Cutthroat only really trusts a Cadian Savant

[spark helm]

The one I trust got the most sense in they head out of everybody else in the squad usually lol.

[sour isle]

New player can anyone help me with a vet build? Dm

[sudden cedar]

How new are we talking about? Vermintide new or completely new?

@spark helm Psykers are a liability.

[spark helm]

Far far less than the average zealot/ogryn/arbites for me.

[main sapphire]

Question team. . . Shredders or Kraks on Havoc 30+?

[sudden cedar]

They are Witches, Freaks. They are not to be trusted.

Abhor the Witch, destroy the Witch.

[spark helm]

Veteran randoms: usually solid to nutty. Sometimes is just praying on meta builds to carry them.

Zealot: some of the worst. Dives in poorly, doesn't know how to finish their plates despite the audacity. Complains the most about everyone else and often rage quits the most.

Psyker: terrible ones are just that, terrible. Super volatile though since every other version of psyker random is varying degrees of busted. Reliable in every other instance in spades by miles.

Ogryn: the natural conclusion of scrubby vets and zealots. It is literally the class putting in the majority of the work because the moment they ever end up clutching they flounder and die so fast to the easiest shit. Good ones are nice any day, 'nuff said.

Arbites: idm newbies, don't get me wrong. But holy shit scrubby arbites are genuinely in the same tier as ogryn but with the floundering of a zealot. I shit you not the only reason why they may end up not going down is because arbites as a class is saving them. Zero combo game, zero target priority, zero defensive fundamentals. Literally just getting by because the class is stable fresh out the box.

[sudden cedar]

Most of those you listed prey(pray?) on meta builds to carry them.

You can notice it the moment things fall apart and .. advanced.. knowledge and gameplay is required.

[heavy rover]

Kraks

[sudden cedar]

As for those that leave... i have by now seen every single class leave at the first opportunity.

[heavy rover]

There's a whole lot of build variety with vet. Anything specific you're looking for?

[sour isle]

I’m not sure what Vermintide is new

[sudden cedar]

You have previously played Vermintide and now swap to Darktide.

[sour isle]

Just build crafting I suppose so many weapons and masteries and stuff to choose from

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1440127153697062993/Screenshot_2025-11-16_222036.png?ex=6932c72d&is=693175ad&hm=3eff73ba2babab464fae2f7175f3d5e45287f32443f1c2b0455b75f12eedc124&

[sudden cedar]

Meaning, you could already have some experience in the basics.

[tall torrent]

Veteran talent core

[sour isle]

Ty

[sour isle]

No didn’t play vermintide just hopped on cuz it was on game pass and started shooting stuff

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough, have fun.

@tall torrent Veteran Core includes FieldImprov?

[sour isle]

Thanks

[heavy rover]

Here's mine that I run. It's pretty range focused https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[sour isle]

Thanks man

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

It's like

The least egregious choice up there

So odds are it's due to pathing

[sudden cedar]

Heh. I am happy it is included.

[leaden condor]

Laspistol kinda fucks

[gilded wraith]

Definitely rewards headshotting.

[narrow frost]

If you hit the head, it does more damage

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-cat-bingus-slow-gif-22009132

[leaden condor]

Dopamine machine

[narrow frost]

It makes funny sound too

Especially on flak

Also

If you don't get hit

You don't take damage

[neat shadow]

which chain axe version is best

[narrow frost]

I use the one that shreds on lights, uhhh mk4? They changed the names awhile ago still don't remember

But try it out, people don't like how it flicks your camera

[tall torrent]

XII

[spark helm]

Yeah pray like 🙏🏾

[tame lodge]

I wish 12's Lights didn't suck

[sudden cedar]

@spark helm It is quite something to see

[tall torrent]

they don't

[tame lodge]

They kinda Doo doo

Don't have good feeling

• eh cdd

[narrow widget]

u kinda doo doo 💔

[tame lodge]

At least it isn't capped anymore

8 cleave though so that's that

[hollow ibex]

It's good smh

[blissful wasp]

I hate lasgun fire rate but the damage is

Pretty neat

[tame lodge]

It's not 😭

[tall torrent]

it's actually ok

[hollow ibex]

I tested the horde clear. It's quite good

[tall torrent]

~900 dmg on flak per hit

it's not bad horde clear at all

[tame lodge]

Yeah but cdd is 💀

[bleak jackal]

love body limit removing

[tame lodge]

Tbf it is a light attack so

[tall torrent]

it's genuinely not bad

[bleak jackal]

god damnit wrong channel again