veteran-class

[turbid ibex]

And that it doesnt even have mobility stat for you to dump in the first place

[midnight wyvern]

a good recon is like polishing a turd

[dapper coyote]

0% dmg + dump stat on dmg

[naive needle]

Better to buy random lasguns and hope for a good stat roll, or wait for the shop to have a good one

[turbid ibex]

If you have the money just buy a bunch of them from brunt

But it doesnt hurt to keep checking the shop whenever it restocks

Melk too

[calm shard]

I'm partial to the Mk XIV myself

[azure narwhal]

Exec stance + MMF eating so good this patch

Been running helbore in recent havocs

Fun as hell

[thorn lark]

you did not give me yout build GVE

ok

[azure narwhal]

[unreal nova]

If you are a twitch shooter, mobility can work as a dump. You need collateral for 1 niche situation. If you can shoot a bomber the moment he starts the pull animation, you can stagger the karker out of it. Dumping collateral will always fail to stagger in time.

[tranquil ledge]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING VETERANS

[mortal aspen]

Thanksgiving? If you were there, on the front lines... of the Gachi Wars... You wouldn't be thanking noone ...

[calm shard]

my favorite colonizer holiday

[pearl oasis]

Is iron will any good? I'm guessing yes?

[fair shale]

Yes

Yes it is

[distant plaza]

no, it's a crutch, stop getting hit in the first place

[pearl oasis]

Ok, judging by that reaction I'm guessing one of better nodes

[fair shale]

It's an auto take node on vet

The one of few nodes every single good vet build will take

[pseudo fiber]

It's arguably the best node lol

[fair shale]

The only other node in tree I'd argue for is Reciprocity.

[pearl oasis]

Also what would the "dump" stat on a Hellbore be? just a small amount off of everything?

[pseudo fiber]

Stability

Debatable ammo

But I'd go stability

[pearl oasis]

Neato

My hellbore is 61 stability, from whenever I got it

[unreal nova]

You skip it, any serious vet main will

[dapper coyote]

WS + Zarona revolver is fucking based

[midnight wyvern]

bad

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124335205650538509/1283126260775784529/bonk_loop.gif

[spark helm]

It's incredibly powerful. Is made better by the vet being better as well. You can choose not to take it if you really want to feel the differences though.

[midnight wyvern]

you should skip iron will and take the revive node on shout instead

much better use of a point

[mortal aspen]

Iron Will is selfish
Shout revive is team support

Darktide is a team game

[tall torrent]

non-negotiable mandatory pick

[stuck gorge]

iron is such a early game material you need diamond will or netherite will tbh

[midnight wyvern]

real

[livid hill]

SHOW ME THAT UGLY GRIN

[livid hill]

AAA

SCAWY

[pearl oasis]

Adept Assassin feels like a weirdly annoying Penance to complete

[naive needle]

What would the dump stat be on shovels

Just noticed mine is mixed all over the place

[pearl oasis]

I dunno, probably mobility

[pseudo fiber]

Defense i believe in shovel

[naive needle]

Nice, there is one with low defences right now

Probably should try other melee weapons more, but so far only really liked the shovel

[hollow ibex]

defense on mk3/7

mobility on mk1

imo

some people might just want to dump defense for all marks for simplicity tho

[fair shale]

Eventually you'll have enough money and resources to double up on weapons ime

[hollow ibex]

yeah for the weapons i use at least

i have separate copies for each mark

too lazy to swap

[unreal nova]

Either works anyway. The difference is small enough most won't notice it.

[slow spade]

holy shit

I love grenades

[dapper coyote]

What the enemies sees when we are doing a stealth res

https://tenor.com/view/larray-larray-rising-larray-going-up-larray-going-to-heaven-larray-heaven-gif-3962256211033170101

Just a guy fucking gets up on its own, without any help, all the sudden.

[dapper wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/lovetohatemc-gif-2986135261748701767

[dapper coyote]

Captain wolfer! We netted the ogryn and he uh, freed himself?

-# huh?

[dapper wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-sigh-annoyed-cartoon-gif-17210182

"of course he did"

Its why the new class should have been an Ork, stealth option would just be him painted purple instead of invis

Since Blood Axes are in lore

[dapper coyote]

Avg comms from Adjutant's report to Cpt Wolfer on the battle.

"Another bullshit report is at hand, but same 4 dudes somehow managed to minced 2 companies to gone, honestly where did Grendyl got them?"

[pearl oasis]

any tips for the adept assassin penance?

[dapper coyote]

Which is? Idk whats the requirements

I always forgor them

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist CRIT kills?

[pearl oasis]

Yeah

Weapon Specialist Weakpoint Crit Kills on "specialists or elites"

[tame lodge]

Shock Troop Gauntlet

[dapper coyote]

This?

[pearl oasis]

Yeap

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Basically Revolver into a Shock Troop Gauntlet mission

[dapper coyote]

Get a crit based weapon like laspistols and unto Shock troop gauntlet with ye

Kill someone with a melee first, then switch to pistol (for proc WS for your selected gun)

Then kill as much as you can

[silver patrol]

(use the double barrel shotgun)

[pearl oasis]

I was just going to use the desperado on the laspistol

[dapper coyote]

Technically deadeye also helps

Technically

[silver patrol]

this is much easier witht he double barrel shotgun

[pearl oasis]

I think I have Desperado Infernus

[calm shard]

yeah just use a shotgun

[silver patrol]

just kill 3 guys in melee, switch to shotgun into a crowd

[calm shard]

why are you even contemplating other weapons

shotgun, aim vaguely head level

enemies die

[dapper coyote]

Hehehehehe true

[tame lodge]

If you're contemplating shotgun
Wave of dogs might also work

In case you don't find STG

[unreal nova]

3000~ enemies is how many companies?

[dry cloak]

Remember most of those enemies are either poxers or infected civilians

[tame lodge]

Send another 1000 homeless to fight them

[west bloom]

1 ogryn or 3000 infested civilians who wins

[fast shale]

Can combat axe and recon work togueter?

[dry cloak]

Yes very well

Its rather hard to go wrong with those two

[fast shale]

Ah nice, thought it wouldnt work if I dont use certain nodes

May I share the build for some advice on what else to swap?

[dry cloak]

Well

Combat axe is one of the less node dependent weapons

Its nost dependent on vrutal momentum

[dry cloak]

Dont ask just do. At worst you will be launghed at

[dry cloak]

Eh good enough to me

[fast shale]

Thought these 2 were mandatory

Aig perfect then

[tame lodge]

Well they are strong

And we still talk shit about Onslaught

[dry cloak]

I talk shit about voc

[tame lodge]

However you don't seem to have enough points to get AE, Skirmisher and EW

[fast shale]

Hmmmm tried to see the difference in dmg and you can tell the difference against crushers

In another build where I do have these 2 nodes it takes 4 sometimes 3 heavys to kill a crusher

While the recon combat is taking 5, mostly 6 to take it down

[dry cloak]

For crushers you the axe

[tame lodge]

Onslaught was mostly used if you planned to shoot carapace with Recon
But now you have the Axe

[fast shale]

Yeah, but it feels nice shooting the metal ragers and not get clink clink clink sound

I think Ill keep using the knife

[dry cloak]

Also which recon las you are using

[fast shale]

The sprayer one, the fastest one

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[dry cloak]

6c will give you better results

[fast shale]

Why

[tame lodge]

3-4 hits for Crushers on the combat Axe is pretty optimal

[fast shale]

Yeah that one is pretty good, but the build I wanted to try is taking more hits

[dry cloak]

Hits a bit harder and has better mobility and headshot modifiers iirc

Check it in the psykhanium

[fast shale]

Aig, let me check

[fast shale]

Hmmmm yeah I do feel a difference

But 100 something less ammo

And less brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[dry cloak]

The mk 12 recon lasgun is the single lasweapon where you can run out of ammo when playing with ammo conservation in mind

[unreal nova]

Just stab more.

[dry cloak]

Also true

Some people think that lasgun=inf ammo

[unreal nova]

It is, if you good at aiming hellbore.

[dry cloak]

Or 6c rec las

[tall torrent]

damn that needle pistol draw time also cancer

[calm shard]

oh is it not?

[slow spade]

yeah not liking the needle pistol at first look

[dry cloak]

Not if you hold m1 with mk12 reclas all the game

[calm shard]

I hold M1 with Mk14 recon las all game :)

[slow spade]

if you're lucky, you have 100% crit rate with Recon so you basically have infinite ammo

so just be lucky c:

[tame lodge]

At least it looks like it reloads fast

[austere pine]

apart from fading light 2, tox gas might be the most miserable havoc modifier

[hollow ibex]

was there more gameplay?

[tall torrent]

#🐦tweets-sermons message

they ended clip right before they got poxburster'd lol

[naive needle]

With on your toes I take it any number of stacks count, as long as some number of stacks exist?

[tall torrent]

yes

[naive needle]

Thinking of going back to weapons specialist, been using focus target but don't think I am really making full use of it while I would be making more use of weapons specialist

[hollow ibex]

oof

yeah that drawtime looks so dogshit

it looks like old helbore drawtime wtf

[ocean idol]

Reapers do count?

[azure narwhal]

Unrelated question. Have you tested martyr's purpose CDR at its best vs current pious on zealot? I've been running both and i honestly feel little to no difference.

[stuck gorge]

According to kulis curio guide yea

[tall torrent]

PCT is very slightly better CDR if u get weakspot hit every 2s

however it's not a big enough difference to justify extra point cost usually

[azure narwhal]

Sounds good. I've started running martyr more in my havocs but i've honestly had no idea what to spend the extra point on if i don't go PCT. Let me show you. 1 free point here

I main crusher most of the time so luckily, desperation value here is very high

And as for the heal on dmg taken, it's a little too iffy for my liking. I don't appreciate getting pushed back to another wound

[errant carbon]

Punish Impiety?

[azure narwhal]

Eh

Could

But my attack speed is stupid already

Tough choice

[naive needle]

I presume +10% crit damage for perks on a helbore lasgun, what about the second one? +10% dmg to specialists?

[red robin]

Idk if the verdict changed

But crit damage perk is bad

[austere mica]

Both of those are bad

[naive needle]

oh really? why so, surely if you crit a lot then more crit damage is good

[red robin]

Can’t go wrong with flak and 5% crit

[austere mica]

The amount of crit damsge is useless

[austere mica]

You can actually

Considering 5% crit is also a pretty lame perk

[red robin]

Critical Damage and Weakspot don’t apply to overall dmg like 25% vs. armour type

[austere mica]

They're also really small

And calculated weirdly

[naive needle]

Ahh, so 2x 25% damage better to get?

[austere mica]

Its 10% more of the extra damage from a crit

Not 10% more damage on a crit

[red robin]

It applies to the number like this 100 dmg (+10 from crit) with 10% crit damage perk applying to that attacher 10 dmg, adding 10% to that for 1 whole dmg

Bad example but it’s just giving a visual to the example

[red robin]

Flak and maniac/unyielding/unarmored pretty good

[errant carbon]

If you are keeping Bleed for the Emperor, you could take Restoring Faith. Otherwise, since you said you aren't feeling it, you could drop that and use 2 points on Providence + Abolish Blasphemers or Providence + Good Balance

[naive needle]

Oh yeah, looking at armour and the only things with lots of carapacae armour are things I would usually krak grenade anyway

Probably grab flak/maniac then

[red robin]

Waste of ammo for recon to shoot carapace , more efficient to use krak or a melee that can handle carapace

[shy raft]

power sword or dueling sword with recon is nice

recon can kill crushers with onslaguht and crit chance, speed depends

[azure narwhal]

likely going to drop bfte, i'll think about it though thanks

[naive needle]

Gone all in on krak grenades, can carry 4 of them

Partly want to get the armourbane penance, got top part of the veterans sentry uniform so may as well get the bottom part. But also loads of krak grenades are pretty fun to nuke a group of ogryns

[hollow ibex]

kraks got a massive glowup

[midnight wyvern]

use a bolt pistol with lethal proximity too

[naive needle]

Seeing a lot of veterans in games this evening, even had all 4 in a round earlier

[spark helm]

Popular class yeah

[ocean idol]

Remind me what is up with helbores

which one is better

also what blessings for it?

[stable socket]

depends on how much you value the special melee, i guess - mk4 is biggest single hit but slowest charge rate (and draw time? not sure about this) but the special melee is a slow chop which kinda sucks

[hollow ibex]

imo V or IV

surgical + WOF is my go-to on both of them

III has its enjoyers too, i wouldn't say any one helby is stronger than the others

[ocean idol]

i meant perks, not blessings*

[hollow ibex]

cara unyield

[ocean idol]

blessings kinda obvious

[ocean idol]

if i want melee i switch to melee ,no?

[hollow ibex]

well the bayo is helpful tbh

[stable socket]

sounds like mk4 is the gun for you then

[hollow ibex]

quickly dispatch the annoying poxxer or specialist

because helbore draw time still isn't negligible

[ocean idol]

what is bad about 3

[hollow ibex]

nothing really

i just think V is better for the role of "helbore, but not IV"

hits all the breakpoints i need it to hit

so might as well take it over the slower III

[ocean idol]

Holy shit 4 just 2-shots crushers?!??!!?

[stable socket]

once weight of fire is fully stacked, all 3 helbores charge insanely fast and the limiting factor is usually how quickly you can acquire a new target, so (imo) the choice of which helbore to choose is an ergonomics question

if you're interrupted and need to swap to melee, the mk4 will take the longest to ramp back up after you swap back cuz it has slower draw time and slower initial charge, which means you stack wof slower. in extremely time-sensitive situations this is not great

[ocean idol]

ngl, bayonet stab feels good

[stable socket]

but when they're ramped up (imo) mk4 is the best because at that point the charge rate difference is negligible

[ocean idol]

ok i suppose if i want to combine it with PS, then 5 is good option

But if i want to take chsword or dclaw then 4 is b etter to deal with crushers

[hollow ibex]

5 wrecks crushers too tbh

[ocean idol]

takes more than twice time it seems?

[hollow ibex]

gonna be build-dependant

[ocean idol]

actually 5 feels nicer

i'll try 5 + dclaw

and marksman focus 💀

[hollow ibex]

MMF on helbore goes hard

[ocean idol]

Does shock trooper work for helbore?

[naive needle]

Didn't realise the stacks of marksmans focus decay 1 by 1 rather than all at once, suddenly a lot more tempting

[ocean idol]

i always thought marksman focus was underrated

[naive needle]

I never looked at it properly and had assumed they decay all at once so didn't bother with it, oh its 1 by 1 and any weakspot hit keeps it going too

[ocean idol]

is dclaw unyielding + flak
and rampage + shred?

also are any impact blessings even do anything?

[silver patrol]

no

lmao

here's 6 of them

[slate wave]

This

[ocean idol]

Wraith or Rampage for dclaw?

[hybrid plover]

i started at shroudfield in this game and i guess i'm back to the stealth antics after many eons

[ocean idol]

do stealth with vet or no balls

[hybrid plover]

i do

it's worse but i do sometimes

[midnight wyvern]

saw that alot even before the rework

[ocean idol]

with what weapons

[midnight wyvern]

love it when the randoms just leave the bosses to me

[hybrid plover]

knife or shovel usually

[thorn lark]

I do shred wrath

and flakiac

[hallow drift]

Trying to sell my friend on Wrath + Shred over Rampage + Sav Sweep

[atomic void]

fellas

give me your finest stealth builds

i just need a decent template

[fair shale]

@atomic void i cant vouch for the build cause i dont use it but i do see this get recced semi often

[atomic void]

thanks king

[fair shale]

np homie

it looks fine

its got most of the standard vet pathing

[heavy rover]

yes, it's perfect for helbore. I've cleared out entire rooms and taken down bosses without reloading

[thorn lark]

ss is kinda dead in hi density hordes

[orchid hemlock]

No

[thorn lark]

wrath works better

[atomic void]

already got what i wanted habibi

[hallow drift]

Also just better uptime

Lots of times you’ll kill several groups of 1-2 enemies with a third running over and you just get no bonus if both blessings only proc from hits that strike all 3 targets

[fresh spire]

What type of armor is captain shield

[mortal aspen]

shield armor

💀

[narrow frost]

void

so captain shield

[mystic lodge]

Yellow

[slate wave]

I can vouch for this @atomic void, I took this to havoc 40 and it was excellent and works very well; I do plan to tweak it to my personal flavor but is great

[atomic void]

thanks boss

[hybrid plover]

I really like when people just try to find excuses for Havocs going badly when it's just the map being complete ass lol

silo cluster map goes south because we get captain and twins in one spawn, and despite me pretty much nuking every boss before that along with trying my damndest to cull the horde, second things go south and i'm the last alive

"shroud relic is just bad, stop using it"

like ???

[dapper coyote]

Psyker? You gud?

-# this is a havoc 7 match

[hybrid plover]

the warp is too much for him

[dapper coyote]

Uhhh, usually company size is 100+, so around 30 Companies are fucking gone

[hybrid plover]

let him be

that being said

I have been having

too much fun with shroudfield relic

This shit may have put me on to maining zealot in Havoc

[dapper coyote]

Tho, this is Imperial guard, so i don't know how is the imperial formation is worked, all i know is division is replaced with regiments

Because british and all of that

[hybrid plover]

Being able to just banish a beast of nurgle at a moment's notice is so nice.

[dapper coyote]

Usually it goes from top to bottom like :
division - regiment - Battalion - company - platoon - squad - team - individual

But i heard that britain ww2 uses regiment significantly different

[unreal nova]

In one auric mission. Lul. So 10-30 companies poof per run.

[dapper coyote]

Yea, it sucks being the 6. Moebian in this trying time huh

[unreal nova]

Yep. Hilarious though.

[dapper coyote]

It is indeed

[lunar maple]

What’s good to run on infantry lasgun ?

[tall torrent]

shroud is only worse at farming dmg than fotf

[tall torrent]

maniac, flak, headhunter, deadly accurate
use at least 1 rending talent on vet tree (not onslaught)
preferably also use executioner's stance

[lunar maple]

Which enemy’s are maniacs again?

[hollow ibex]

dreg ragers, many of the specialists

[hybrid plover]

the utility of nuking a boss in short time far exceeds the utility of being purely high damage imho

and also making further pushes than you'd be able to without the stealth

[gilded pike]

Reasonable response to the setting

[calm shard]

Most specialist enemies, and dreg ragers

Snipers and Tox Bombers are unarmoured, Scab Bombers are flak/unarmored, Pox Hounds (and bursters?) are infested

the others are Maniacs

[humble drum]

I made a random hellbore build with the fastest charging one and I think I’m in love

Did a whole maelstrom mission without picking any ammo

[dapper coyote]

Fun fact, the other psyker with 53rd set died first into a ledge by a plague ogryn, with another one down by same plague ogryn, another one being chased away by chaffs leaving me and the boss dueling it out.

0 kraks, 0 team mates, 0 chaffs

Mano-o-Mano

[hasty grove]

The guard never surrenders

[fair shale]

Me when I'm stuck in a 1v1 with the boss but I have my trusty powersword

[dapper coyote]

I don't have a Psword at that time

I used my Chaxe

And my revolver

[fair shale]

https://tenor.com/view/sanjiclops-vash-trigun-vash-the-stampede-gun-gif-14736973867624562148

[dapper coyote]

"*Its just you and me, big guy.

You might have nurgle blessings and i ran out of kraks awhile ago, but i have my gun.*"

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-idkhtct-gif-11245846460528141901

"Hadron, Play, the good, the bad, the ugly theme" https://youtu.be/AFa1-kciCb4

[fair shale]

I'm a sucker for a good spaghetti western tbh

[dapper coyote]

I fucking wished Vet got cowboy cosmetics

Especially da hat

He got da revolver, with da best nodes combo along the way.

FATFISH WHEN?

[mystic lodge]

The only reason Im remotely excited about the Hive scoom DLC is that they'll likely buff the autoguns, especially the braced autoguns

[mystic lodge]

Watch Old Henry

its not spaghetti but its a good modern Western

[austere mica]

If they buff infantry autos I am killing someone

[unreal nova]

Nurglites?

[austere mica]

Whoever decided to buff them

[mystic lodge]

Ill be killing a lot of someone

[mystic lodge]

why? IAGs need love

[austere mica]

Are you insane

[mystic lodge]

IAG deserve love

[austere mica]

Mk5 iag is like

THE highest dps ranged weapon in the game

[mystic lodge]

Bruh not the Mk5. That one should be nerfed

there are 2 other IAGs

[calm shard]

agri is also not bad

columnus is SHIT

[mystic lodge]

I like the Columnus but it has the weaknesses of the other 2 guns without any remarkable strengths of its own

Agri and Columnus should be buffed. Agri just needs more ammo

[unreal nova]

Well, BAGs need to be buffed.

[austere mica]

I think its getting buffed

[unreal nova]

And they fit the Best.

[austere mica]

Cole kinda alluded to it

[dry cloak]

Agris fine colm 8 needs some niche

[unreal nova]

Sorry, AG. You don't want to brace a BAG.

[calm shard]

graia shoots faster if you do

the other 2 get a tiny increase to accuracy

[unreal nova]

Not worth the time to brace though.

[mystic lodge]

all 3 should be more accurate

[calm shard]

yeah

[mystic lodge]

in braced mode

[calm shard]

comically shit accuracy really makes them feel awful to use

[mystic lodge]

at least let me hit weakspots at close range

[calm shard]

also for FUCKS sake get rid of the crit chance penalty

[mystic lodge]

tbh braced autogun should have been belt fed autogun instead

[fair shale]

Wjll add to list

[mystic lodge]

Columnus's niche should be sustained dps

it should have the highest total dmg per mag

well it already does but that should be even more noticable

[tall torrent]

nah

agrip is the worst of the 3 tbh

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-cat-glowing-eyes-glowing-eyes-cat-glare-gif-10557029653716110147

[mystic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[tall torrent]

highest recoil + most dependent on headshots + smallest mag

and worse crit string

[mystic lodge]

the columnus is equally dependent on headshots

I find the Agri's recoil the most manageable

and its also the best at range

[tall torrent]

columnus has lower recoil

and has the same ADM falloff over range as agripinaa

[mystic lodge]

thing is, Agripinaa is better at range, you can let a burst loose at a gunner at 50 meters away and somehow a bullet will hit his head and drop him

both Vraks and Columnus are worse in that regard

[tall torrent]

it isn't better at range, same ADM falloff, worse recoil

esp vs multiple gunners at range it's pretty apparent in difference

[mystic lodge]

but each headshot deals more damage, and you only need to land 2 to drop a gunner

btw Vraks ADM should be given to Agri and Columnus since they have longer barrels, Vraks being the carbine should be the most headshot reliant. It already has the biggest crit string

[hybrid plover]

see

the issue is

actually hitting the head

[tall torrent]

vraks' ADM has more falloff than the other two

[hybrid plover]

Agri is noticeably harder to do that with than columnus is.

This is a case where pure numbers don't tell the whole story.

[unreal nova]

Vraks RoF kicks really hard for controller tbh.

[tall torrent]

if u were going for mid-long range controlled bursts with agripinaa

[hybrid plover]

I like columnus solely because it's just an easier weapon to use than both of them and can hold itself better at range.

[tall torrent]

at that point there's 1 gun that does essentially the same exact thing but better in almost all metrics

and it's the c3 vig auto

[hybrid plover]

Agri and vraks are both delegated to shorter ranges for different reasons

But vraks is just

Better

[mystic lodge]

but the vig auto cant full auto

[tall torrent]

agrip's main advantage is 2.1 cleave which makes it a bit better at shooting basic horde to hit specialists

[unreal nova]

There's 'cheaty' mods for that.

[tall torrent]

it's actually not far off in firerate from agripinaa

while being almost entirely better

agripinaa firerate 461rpm

c3 vig auto firerate overall is ~420rpm

[mystic lodge]

heretical

[austere mica]

Full auto doesn't even matter for vigilants

[unreal nova]

I don't mod. I play with a controller.

[austere mica]

Because you want to actually hit things

[mystic lodge]

fair enough, but Agripinaa can go full auto at close range, and the c3 vig cant

the c3 vig is only better than it in one aspect

[austere mica]

Its pretty easy to max the rof

[tall torrent]

like I just said they're really close in firerate, and vig3 does significantly better in dmg

vig3 actually 1 bursts enemies

at close range pretty sure vig3 is still higher dps lol

agrip is the 1 gun that has a super awkward role to fill

c8 iag at least has some notable upsides over its superior (v5 iag)

the only things a1 iag does better than vig3 are reloading faster and 2.1 clv

[calm shard]

clearly the agri infantry auto needs 20 cleave

[frigid rover]

how to win all auric maelstroms forever without looking at the screen or putting in effort

suggestions welcome

[austere mica]

Inferno psyker

[frigid rover]

i will not

[austere mica]

Rumbler ogryn

[frigid rover]

this is the vet channel! >:CC!

[austere mica]

Vet doesn't have ultra brain dead builds on that scale

[frigid rover]

the trend so far has been that i kill a bunch of things and then the screen is full of forever fire and forever gas and i leave in shame to go drink some more.

[narrow frost]

Exstance, mobility melee (knife/taxe/DS), kill specials 1st, pop all barrels before moving forwards

[austere mica]

Yeah if your problem is specials than exe is your solution

[narrow frost]

Wall hacks helps determine the situation

[frigid rover]

it makes me question my usual mentality of 'stick with the blob at all costs' when people insist on sitting in the shittiest, most horribly claustrophobic little hallway-corner in the middle of some stairs for five minutes instead of moving forward where the concept of sight lines begins to exist again

[narrow frost]

While also being great survivability

Never trust teammates

Backing up is always safer then sticking together in a bad spot

[frigid rover]

i do like exe stance, ive somewhat returned to it recently realizing just how bonkers the dmg spike is, but i also feel kind of bad not having the 'stagger everything and give out free mangos' button on demand in what is ostensibly a team game

[austere mica]

You see thats the fun part

[frigid rover]

probably one of the better pieces of advice i need to shove into my head
i have always been too loving and considerate

[austere mica]

Darktide is just single-player with coop elements

[narrow frost]

The only things that kills me in my runs is my teammates actions

[frigid rover]

I have realized that this is true.

[austere mica]

And killing specials all the time is probably worth more than piss toughness

[calm shard]

especially with born leader

kill 5 specialists for team wide god mode

[frigid rover]

ive died far more trying to courageously rescue teammates than i have to my own error just playing the game with my own survival in mind

[austere mica]

But yeah your team is the only completely unpredictable element of the game

[calm shard]

wrong audio errors

[austere mica]

Yeah learning to cut your losses is important

They'll be annoyed but you won't be dead

[naive needle]

If you were to crit every shot and have shock trooper, would opening salvo remain active forever?

[formal ice]

Wdym

[steep flower]

For the foolish & selfish that is

[native ocean]

That's the reality of solo qp...

Jokes aside they are thankfully not the majority yet

[ocean idol]

And ranged?

[hybrid plover]

double barrel, inf autogun, las pistol, really just anything i'd usually use

[distant mural]

As it should be.

If everyone was like you teams would be a lot better. I too go out of my way to save my teammates.

And if your teammates helped you wouldve saved your teammate too

[frigid rover]

that is encouraging, but my main grievance is that it seems to make me play stupidly and as often as not die when i might have lived on to rez them at a checkpoint later

[ocean idol]

try to look for obvious threats to revive

most often bunch of gunners shooting at that spot

[distant mural]

Fuck it this is the way.

We all make it or we all perish

[ocean idol]

and don't hesitate to cancel revive if you see dog/mutant/flamer/bomber aiming at you

[frigid rover]

ive come around to favoring blitz options that are revive-focused rather than anything else, after playing for a little bit
stunstorm grenades, any sort of stagger F, and apparently smonks
the most op meta in the game is friendship, bros...

[distant mural]

Fax. Especially in havoc you NEED your team.

[frigid rover]

any idiot can mash m1 into a horde, why would i bring a grenade that automates that

[distant mural]

I feel like people forget that

[steep flower]

Friend needs to do better

[distant mural]

Clutching is nice but surviving together is better

[frigid rover]

||i have not played havoc yet despite unlocking all current penance rewards (with no funny dlc class either) because i can never find/join a group to even try it out :[||

[steep flower]

Preventing a disease is better than curing it

[steep flower]

What havoc lv you are?

[calm shard]

exact reason I run stuns on zealot for the rare occasions I play them

[frigid rover]

i think havoc 19, for the sole reason that i requested to join a random mourningstar striketeam, got bored of waiting, then started the game the next day and the game decided i was havoc 19.

for greater context, currently at the stage of 'bored on damnation, consistent on auric, trying to consistently win maelstrom while minimizing reliance on skill level of randos'

turns out that requires me to pay attention as vet, which is probably my favorite class, hence me typing in here rather than somewhere else because psyker is psyker and zealot never dies if i am looking at the screen

[steep flower]

That answers my upcoming question of ‚have you played high end havocs?’

[frigid rover]

i saw it on a youtube video once!

if '''content creators''' can beat it i dont see why i couldnt.

with the appropriate humility and learning mindset

[steep flower]

Alot of them tho are not like superb; above average for sure, good & great even
But many don’t make optimized builds or make mistakes using certain weapons

[ocean idol]

because same grenade can stugger enemies long enough to do a revive?

[steep flower]

Stugger

[frigid rover]

sometimes! but the extra wiggle room in some cases seems nice to have

[ocean idol]

Stugger

[frigid rover]

in particular i'm trying to learn the nuances of smonk nades because i keep hearing about how cracked they are once you understand certain mechanical aspects of the game

[distant mural]

Kraks are just better in havoc imo.

[frigid rover]

and rudimentary field tests suggest they are at least usable

[distant mural]

And vet has plenty of ways to deal with a lil horde

[steep flower]

Can explain some hours later cause at work

[frigid rover]

.

of course
pings are welcome at all hours

[mystic lodge]

All multiplayer games are single player games with people-controlled bots

[tepid otter]

All single player games is multiplayer where players just act like NPC's

[mystic lodge]

Cues random Chinese teammate whose name doesnt display correctly who went Sly Marbo to rescue my ass instead of jumping on the Valkyrie

[naive needle]

Damnation twins mission.... Should I just kill myself now

[frigid rover]

risking death to revive someone after finale for zero benefit is simply correct conduct

[frigid rover]

you should kill the twins... NOW

[silver patrol]

i had to watch a dude backtracking to try to save an ogryn who was surrounded by multiple ragers, crushers, bulwards and flamers while only he and another dude were alive during the finale

he ate dirt

[naive needle]

had to repeat the twins mission so much when I first got to it

[toxic reef]

no one used to play it when I started, I couldn't even beat it on lowest difficulty on my psyker

[naive needle]

Because it sucks, who would play it willingly

[toxic reef]

it's not too bad, good thing to learn when you start playing havoc

[dapper coyote]

Taxe which mk is da best?

[toxic reef]

7 I think?

the one with gold trimming on the top handle

[turbid ibex]

Twins mission is probably my favorite in the entire game

[dapper coyote]

Tan one with most dmg on light attack?

[toxic reef]

this, I don't have their stats in my head

[dapper coyote]

Ye, thats the one

Cheers

[toxic reef]

push attacks and heavies

[dapper coyote]

Anyways, i just spam light attack, because im fucking lazy at melee-ing, and it worked quite well

[thorn lark]

@calm shard I am still waiting

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523

[calm shard]

for what?

I do not remember

[thorn lark]

helbore build!

[calm shard]

oh

uh

sec lemme copy the one I have on right now

[calm shard]

can drop serrated blade, the bigger they are, or born leader for one motion if the swap speed bothers you

or 15 MMF stacks

[thorn lark]

the lack of 25 tg is making me...

I will probably remove born leader

[mystic lodge]

should I use Onslaught for Devils claw?

[distant mural]

Why do you want to torture yourself?

[mystic lodge]

I like devils claw

cool sword

[distant mural]

Hell me too

But….ughhhh

[mystic lodge]

yeah I know its not great

[distant mural]

Prolly anything to clear hordes better cause thats the oonly thing its decent at

[mystic lodge]

I think Devils claw should 2 shot crushers on parry

[distant mural]

Ill give anything to that weapon at this point

Its such an iconic vet weapon i wamt it to be better too

[mystic lodge]

devils claw should be reworked tbh

so janky

and the reward is not worth the risk

the only thing its good at is memeing the daemonhost and ragers

[calm shard]

and everything not carapace tbh

if you can kill crushers somehow dclaw isn't bad

[crimson mica]

Don't trust players to use smoke grenades...

use them correctly

[mystic lodge]

I think all parries should bypass carapace tbh

since they are so risky to get

[calm shard]

literally the opposite of risky for dclaw since there is nothing stopping you from unga bunga spamming it

kinda the main quirk of the weapon

[mystic lodge]

u parry a groaner by accident and u eat that overhead

[heavy rover]

it's not about optimization with the devils claw. it's about sending a message to the crusher overhead

[mystic lodge]

I agree its an S tier aurafarming weapon

Psyker with Dclaw solos Angron

[pseudo fiber]

I think they should bite the bullet and old yeller it

[calm shard]

dclaw 1 does need a rework

Mk VII is like okay and just needs better carapace damage

also completely throw out and change their blessing pool entirely

[tame lodge]

Not a single mention of making the flak damage better

Weapon would still be dogshit

[calm shard]

Mk VII has good flak damage

[tame lodge]

💀

It's a dclaw

The heavy strikedown of 4 and 7 basically share the same profile

[calm shard]

yeah Mk VII uses push attack+light for flak damage

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s same ADMs

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/Y5XShjL

[tall torrent]

This is only because ur using the single target atks

It still sucks massive balls vs flak mixed horde with the cleaving atks

[calm shard]

that hasn't really been my experience with the weapon tbh

it has high enough crit chance in practice and that does enough damage to flak even on the cleaving lights to kill

and the light spam horde clear having one of those strikedowns in it to kill flak

[tame lodge]

Your cleaving lights have 44 flak damage

💀

And 59 on CRITspot against flak

[calm shard]

okay fine I'll go load up a mixed horde in psykhanium with whatever you folks think is appropriate excluding crushers because obviously it sucks balls into them

buckethead bruisers obv

[tame lodge]

Comparing it to the unarmored 180 weakspot
239 CRITspot

[calm shard]

buckethead bruisers would imply dreg faction since they're really rare otherwise but I'll do scab ragers anyways

should I add a bulwark or two? just to make it not fun for my sake?

[native ocean]

yes

[calm shard]

okay bulwarks make this insanely annoying because they will just walk at you and never ever do anything

dogshit enemy design

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shield-bash-skeleton-shield-bashing-meme-papyrus-undertale-gif-15629326210470501657

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/GtAxz46 2nd attempt

I would consider this tolerably below average for a situation where I'm deliberately avoiding using the tools that I take specifically to cover this weakness

https://imgur.com/a/9yhxNcT because on the flipside it kinda just makes non armored hordes nothing

and is super safe into them

[steep flower]

Dclaw is fun & can be potent but seeing it vs scabs…
Chainsword would perform better…

That says alot

[calm shard]

uuuh maybe? lemme give it a shot into roughly the same enemy composition

because my ass was not counting how many enemies I put

[steep flower]

Use bloodletter

[calm shard]

why

[steep flower]

Rev elites, don’t need to finish the attack; if it connects you leave 14 bleed

Stall

Repeat till dead

[calm shard]

okay but what if

I play the weapon normally

with shred+wrath

[regal smelt]

commit to the rev, tank the ragers

[tame lodge]

"normally" and it's brain off light light light light light light light

Lovely weapon

[regal smelt]

I still don't get why they made it so you can't use a stagger ability mid rev, even back when there were less enemies hitting you it was basically impossible to finish

[red robin]

that dclaw or chainsword?

[calm shard]

chainsword

[red robin]

what do ya take on dclaw?

[calm shard]

wrath+shred

[regal smelt]

important difference

[red robin]

mobility being dump stat?

[steep flower]

Thats inferior to
Wrath + Bloodletter
Unironically

[red robin]

what's bloodletter?

bleed on special activation?

[steep flower]

Don’t even need to tank; a rev poke will leave 14 bleed and generate dmg

[steep flower]

Yes; 14 stacks

[calm shard]

okay quick let me know you actually know how the weapon works real quick

what's the unique quirk the XIIIg chainsword has on its crits?

[steep flower]

Use mk IV

[red robin]

if he doesn't know, care to enlighten us with the science

[steep flower]

Better rev

[calm shard]

Okay so you don't know how the weapon works

XIIIg has no cleave damage falloff on crits

[steep flower]

More safe

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[tame lodge]

A better weapon
(Shred Rampage)

[calm shard]

or well the crit damage doesn't iirc

[tall torrent]

It’s not that true, it’s more like, the Cdmg doesn’t falloff that much

[calm shard]

yeah

[tall torrent]

But it does fall off

[calm shard]

corrected myself

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-true-truth-nuke-mr-boss-gif-9636875870681785224

[tall torrent]

Crit is still the way to go for it tho

Bloodletter is affordable for arb

[steep flower]

Love this

[tall torrent]

Not rly for other classes

[red robin]

when i saw that gif for the first time i died laughing

[tame lodge]

Mr Boss would just shrug it off

[ocean idol]

So we are getting needle pistol after all?

[red robin]

idk if vet is

[regal smelt]

no vet weapons allowed

[tall torrent]

For hive scum yes

[red robin]

damnn

poison dot in the game

can't wait for the dot comps

[ocean idol]

I really wanted it

[dapper coyote]

WS Needle pistol would be funny

[ocean idol]

now i can die in peace

[calm shard]

also I would like to mention I am on my 6th attempt to get through the same-ish mixed horde with chord compared to dclaw

because this weapon is so much less safe and obnoxious to use

[red robin]

infernus vet, soulblaze psyker, bleed zealot, and poison hive ganger

then again, vet would probably apply bleed better than zealot

[calm shard]

like it kills the ragers faster technically

but it has zero way to actually like forcibly hit them

because the game will prioritize dumb shit on the strikedown heavies

[regal smelt]

basically everyone else applies bleed better than zealot, and zealots dot damage currently breaks their fury charge so the crit applies to 1 tick of bleed instead of a melee hit

psyker is a stretch but bpistol bleed with assail and fgreatsword is funny

[steep flower]

Its nice but you still lose heavily vs mixed hordes; bloodletter prevents that (also mk4 rev being standard while mk13 takes 1 extra tick of rev which even in situations where you could finish revving with mk4 you will not be able to on mk13)

[red robin]

that still in the game or was it patched?

[steep flower]

Rly or just speculation?

[regal smelt]

still in the game I'm pretty certain?

[tall torrent]

It’s in the blog they posted

Chem toxin

[tame lodge]

On the teaser yesterday he shot a trapper once and then it died to dots shortly after

[red robin]

i have no idea 100% was just watching darktide youtubers talk abt it with stuff they're allowed to talk abt

[tall torrent]

DOT type exclusive to hive scum

[steep flower]

You have less experience maybe; did you tried bloodletter?

[tame lodge]

So like

The best situation

[steep flower]

Thats why you use mk4 & use light att while revving

[tall torrent]

It was bodyshot
But the bigger issue is draw speed

[calm shard]

honestly very unlikely to help

[tame lodge]

A damnation trapper has 900 hp iirc

[calm shard]

the problem is the bulwark shields taking massive priority over actual enemies

[tame lodge]

While I do doubt they were playing on damnation

[steep flower]

I hope they patch that exploit like they did with hasan dogsplosion

[tall torrent]

Hyperaggressive class
Look inside

2s deploy rocket
1s deploy needle pistol

[tame lodge]

Either the needle deal 800+ damage

Or the chem tox fucks hard

[calm shard]

clearly this is because they have a +300% swap speed node

anyways actually killed the mixed horde with chord without dying

[tame lodge]

At least it reloaded fast

[calm shard]

took twice as long as dclaw did

[tame lodge]

Hold

[calm shard]

could be inexperience

[steep flower]

Another reason why inferno grenades for zel are dogshit (what they should have been aka apply burn dot not flat dmg)

[tame lodge]

Are all their weapons going to have poor draw speed

Because they have Desperado

[regal smelt]

revolving the whole build around it sucks compared to just using any staff, with or without soulblaze

[tall torrent]

I sure hope not lmao

[tame lodge]

😭

[tall torrent]

The dual 1911s didn’t draw slow

Prob just weapons being different

[steep flower]

There is a reason i recommend it cause i used it since forever; try it first - then form opinions

[tame lodge]

The 1911 survived 40 thousand wars

🗣️

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/Fq2JWfv

miserable

[steep flower]

Ye you’re using it incorrectly

[regal smelt]

are the reloads on either the akimbos slow? If theyre fast as hell they're going to be insane with the infinite ammo ability.

[tame lodge]

We didn't see the full pistol reloads

So uh yeah wait 4 hours

https://youtu.be/O16jW6uyXeA

[calm shard]

I'm using the normal moveset because I'm not using the meme blessing you keep talking about

but I'll humor you and see if it does better

[tall torrent]

Don’t think they’re that slow

They’re not quite boltpistol tier

Where the animation feels exaggerated for the sake of it

[regal smelt]

I guess reload speed talents and where you can actually animation cancel matters more, just wondering how easy the range stance would be to keep with a longer reload

[steep flower]

You spoil me
Tip; just poke with the rev don’t finish it on elites - abuse the slot system that puts some of them too much upfront (be mindfull that breaking off revving costs alot of stamina)

[calm shard]

yeah this is immediately and noticably inferior to playing normally

it gets kills quicker but it forces you to play like an idiot and take pointless risks to get your damage

[steep flower]

Its different but not inferior
You’ll have to practice more with it - its not as easy as other choices ngl but it does work well

[calm shard]

when you could just be running shred and making your attacks do more damage more often

[steep flower]

Gets kills quicker
Vs
running shred to make your attacks do more dmg more often
Its about killing the main threats faster aka elites so you can deal with others as they come with cleave - otherwise you end up like with that clip you showed - no oppening & barely any dent cause no real dmg

[calm shard]

yeah except bloodletter literally has the sam issue of not being able to get opening

because your rev attacks will simply magnetize to the bulwark shields and fodder enemies

it's just less safe

with no significant upsides

[tall torrent]

This is why arb is the only class that can afford bloodletter

Cuz u just have enough cleave from talents to brute force it without clv blessing

[calm shard]

so yeah bloodletter confirmed beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind to be a shitty meme blessing

[steep flower]

Inexperience simply; i will come home in some hours & do it myself
Tell me tho roughly; what enemies you put & in what quantity

[tall torrent]

It’s alr, wouldn’t call it good

[calm shard]

8 scab ragers, 4 maulers, 2 bulwarks, and 30-ish dreg bruisers

[tall torrent]

If Chainsword could afford to run 4 blessings at once then bloodletter would be pretty nice

[calm shard]

honest to god I'd run a second cleave blessing over it

[tall torrent]

Yea 2 cleave blessings, shred and bloodletter

[calm shard]

this blessing is like actively shooting yourself in the foot because it encourages you to make bad plays

and waste stamina

making your clear far less safe to if the attacks behave get slightly faster kills into enemies that your weapon is still bad at killing

[tall torrent]

It’s not that much more damage either

After they buffed the single target strikedown atks

Bloodletter’s damage is not enough to 1 tap crusher reliably

I think it only helps vs mauler notably now

[calm shard]

yeah cause the strikedown heavies you just 2 shot scab ragers

[tall torrent]

Ragers u can just push atk + light x2 + heavy

[calm shard]

or 1 shot them if you have enough damage

staggers them too

[tall torrent]

Should have done 10 Dreg ragers instead of 8 scab ragers

[calm shard]

they're a little less remarkable for the sake of chord/dclaw shenanigans

just because they have so much better damage into them

[tall torrent]

Scab rager is mostly a cleave check

[ocean idol]

What melee wouild be second best after PS?

[steep flower]

Running sanic speed attack go brrr

[dapper coyote]

One of the axes?

[tall torrent]

Prob Rashad

Or DS

[tame lodge]

Rev it up
Shred
DevaStrike
Hit and Run

Wait

What the fuck is hnr

That's not in the game atm right?

[tall torrent]

No

[leaden condor]

Rev it up if it was poopy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mistamandrew-plans-i-have-plans-i-cannot-share-haters-gif-15485001350530694977

[ocean idol]

Dumdum, deathspitter, fire frenzy, which of them is the worst one?

[silver patrol]

In general or

[ocean idol]

in heneral

[silver patrol]

Deathspitter i think

[calm shard]

I would say fire frenzy

deathspitter is strength

fire frenzy is just damage

[plain osprey]

I ran exe stance with autopistol today. It was fun. But omg, i was helpless against crushers

[slate wave]

Fire Frenzy

[steep flower]

Look more into on what weapons you wanna use them on rather in general cause on some weapons one blessing is better while on others its dogshit

[hollow ibex]

there is no better or worse

it depends on the weapon

well actually dumdum is just the best, but for deathspitter or FF, it really depends

[steep flower]

I wrote an essay
Mah man wrote a scripture

[hollow ibex]

2 hours until HIV gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/kid-nodding-head-kid-rocking-rocking-back-and-forth-gif-21537245

[steep flower]

Not 1? In europe it will be 6pm and now its 5pm

[hollow ibex]

this is what it says for me

for chocoB's video

unless he's trolling

and releasing it an hour late lol

[steep flower]

Ppl might need preparing & stuff; also private life

[hollow ibex]

i'm 95% sure that a premiere means the video is already recorded and uploaded

[steep flower]

In any case; it does not affect me… still stuck at job…

[hollow ibex]

and it just automatically releases at a set time

[steep flower]

Aaa in that case… yeah maybe… i more had in thought streams on twitch

[orchid hemlock]

Vets with all nade nodes be like:

[ocean idol]

Vrak

iag

Does weapon specialist affect fire damage from infernus?

i mena agile*

[plain osprey]

Same here...

Imagine being employed for a living

[hollow ibex]

i'd rather take fire frenzy

because the bonuses from strength don't do anything for vraks

rather take 50% damage over 35% strength

i mean with max stacks of DS you can cleave through one poxxer

yay i guess?

[naive needle]

What melee weapons are best for killing hordes?

[hollow ibex]

lol

[hollow ibex]

power sword

[plain osprey]

Definetly achlys combat axe, honest

[naive needle]

Not shovel? Aww 🙁

[plain osprey]

Shovel is alright

[hollow ibex]

brave statement to make around here parts

[ocean idol]

what strength even does for guns? Cleave?

[naive needle]

Maxed out the shovel as I find it seems to work and other weapons don't feel as good when I have tried them

[ocean idol]

dclaw

[plain osprey]

Your best anti horde tool is the shredder frag grenade with any weapon that has uncanny strike

[hollow ibex]

DS at max stacks gives 32.5% more damage, stagger and cleave

[naive needle]

I use krak grenades

So I don't really need a melee weapon that does high single hit damage as for that I either shoot it in the face or blow it up

[plain osprey]

Wet pool noodle

[cinder wagon]

maybe it's because you don't have them upgraded

[ocean idol]

what are good keystones for infernus recon?

[hollow ibex]

WS if you want to focus on buffing your melee, FT if you just care about buffing your recon

[thorn lark]

Stagger, cleave, dmg.

[ocean idol]

wtf

[ocean idol]

4 stacks of FT change infernus 12 stacks damage from 291 (with 5 stacks of dum dum) to 402

why it works like that???

[hollow ibex]

because it buffs all sources of damage on a tagged enemy

[ocean idol]

But it should be just 20%

20% *So it should be 349

[hollow ibex]

idk the math, but dumdum also buffs infernus burn

[crimson wyvern]

just leave the game DC I respect MY time more than to wait around.

Thanks and disrespect everyone elses time by loading into fail screens

[silver patrol]

i think there is some multiplication with other nodes resulting in higher damage

[surreal rune]

does anyone else wish zealot could have two melee weapons

like on slayer, grail knight, and warrior priest in vt2

[sharp epoch]

vet two ranged weapons

[surreal rune]

vet with lasgun and hive scum's 1911

[limber wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[ocean idol]

ogryn with 3 grenades

[sharp epoch]

he already has

on bombs away and rock

[ocean idol]

No

3 grenades

at once

and no other weapons

[surreal rune]

holy fuck i was right

[ocean idol]

?

[surreal rune]

weakspot hits with ganger's poison weapons apply more or stronger poison

[void dragon]

is it true that they implemented the swapping perks to the base game?

as in, you can swap auras or other perks like that mod let you

[surreal rune]

yes

[midnight wyvern]

hmm

[surreal rune]

but not keystones yet?

it seems to be buggy right now

[elder vessel]

shirtless ogryn and weapon ogryn cant use...

[surreal rune]

new ogryn personality??

hes some brexit geezer

[gleaming adder]

vet ranged stance never looked so ass now compared to desperado

[tame lodge]

Eh not really

Counts as dodging ranged and infinite ammo

That's it

Oh yeah suppression immunity but no one cares about that

Then Exec is all the possible buffs to your gun + tg replenish

Apples to oranges

[hollow ibex]

no no both buff ranged talents and desperado is newer, therefore ES is dead in the water

[narrow widget]

omg its castigator stance part 2 hive scum new meta es dead in the water

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

Desperado and Exec stance competing for highlighted targets

😭

[tall torrent]

It just depends on who runs ahead more

[tame lodge]

In that case
The class made for running ahead gets the points

https://tenor.com/view/do-we-have-a-problem-hmm-friday-marlon-wayans-gif-15437259

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-erobb-stubbies-try-not-to-laugh-gif-16095012407725024477

So yeah the chem fucks hard

[heavy rover]

Needler has Ghost

I'm sold

[ember nest]

Reload my damn gun fatshark

That's literally all I want from exe stance

Put the ammo
In the gun

[narrow widget]

vro just put the bullets in the mag 💔 💔 💔

[real mantle]

Shotguns good
You just need to shoot the heretics
(And the psyker)

[half path]

Not really as big an issue as you’d think, also vet was already competing with marked kills with arbites and just in general this entire game is built around competing for kills. There is alot of areas in the game as well where a competent exe stance vet can have killed everything before hive scum is in the effective range of most of their weapons

[broken reef]

desperado marks everything in close kill range no?

so you arent competing with the methhead for kills as much as just gotta shoot further out

[cinder wagon]

which one would end up giving you more damage on the recon lasgun?

without executioner stance

[tame lodge]

Dumdum

[cinder wagon]

Aight thanks

I was thinking about taking headhunter to consume even less ammo but I realised it's really not a problem anyway

[hollow ibex]

headhunter is a trap on recon

[cinder wagon]

Oh really

[hollow ibex]

dumdum is mandatory

second blessing is infernus or deathspitter

[cinder wagon]

Welp I got infernus

Forgot what deathspitter does

[snow tundra]

Hello fellow brothers from the emprah

What's the best weapons you recommend for the veteran, long range and melee weapons as well pls

[unreal nova]

They get 20% crit chance from 1 dodge.

We need to dodge 4 times for the same thing.

[cinder wagon]

Depends on what you want to use your weapons for

[agile mango]

everyone ready for the 45 second VOC nerf?

[cinder wagon]

Wait what

Is that really coming

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe

Cole isn't sure if it'll make it in

but the "upside" is the revive node will have it's cooldown increase removed

[hollow ibex]

in b4 voc gets nerfed

and vet doesn't get their rework finished

[cinder wagon]

I guess it's not a terrible trade?

I mean it's like what, 50 seconds with the revive?

[unreal nova]

Radius decrease still terrible.

[half path]

yes

[cinder wagon]

It's still a nerf though

[unreal nova]

So, vet dumpster again?

[hollow ibex]

vet's still going to be strong but if they don't get their rework finishedi n this patch

i wouldn't be surprised

[pseudo fiber]

Arbites shock mine regen speed to 90 seconds lmfao (deserved) but that#s getting dumpstered

[half path]

exe stance and stealth are both stronger than they have ever been

[tall torrent]

hell yea

[unreal nova]

But still worse than the DLC class equiv.

[tall torrent]

stance buffed again and stealth got buffed?

[half path]

no

[tall torrent]

oh then still stance/voc

[half path]

me when i compare apples and oranges

[unreal nova]

With the joke on how what's that ganger left side thing is called being exe stance but way better.

[hollow ibex]

you mean zealot stealth lol

[tall torrent]

NAH

[half path]

nah the talent tree rework last update added some quality of life to vet stealth

[hollow ibex]

oooooh. as a former stealth main, looking forward to that

were there other changes to vet?

or brauto 🥺

[unreal nova]

No?

[tall torrent]

I think kez is talking abt 1.9's talent tree change

I cud be wrong

[half path]

it wasnt directly, but the talent changes in general and layout change made it so you could make some fun stealth builds

[half path]

ye i am

[hollow ibex]

🤔

oh

fuck that then

[tall torrent]

duality of man ^

[half path]

wasnt really much time to touch other classes this update

[hollow ibex]

so stealth is still cucked

cool

a worse VOC that you use to troll your team

[unique orchid]

As it should be, shade kerillian should be bullied into oblivion

Take your aggro like a man

[hollow ibex]

i mean power of the ult aside, it's also just a horrible design for a "co-op" game

[unique orchid]

Exactly

[unreal nova]

But Ganger gets threat reduction just dodging.

Or running.

I forgot.

I think sprinting.

[hollow ibex]

it's much lower

and not literal invisibility

[unreal nova]

Still puts more weight on the rest of the team in a way.

[tall torrent]

the -threat node for hvs might be meta

just saying

[half path]

avoided them tbh

[hollow ibex]

for ranged build?

[tall torrent]

it's kinda tuff to path cuz it's either +1 ranged weapon dodge or -threat

[hollow ibex]

feels like it wouldn't do much if you're in melee

[half path]

was just alot better things and the class has alot of stamina to dance around

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah eh

[tall torrent]

I figured melee spec doesn't get much out of the +1 ranged weapon dodge

[half path]

ive not played the most recent build though (the one people are making videos from)

[unique orchid]

Ganger seems to have a surprising amount of teamwork nodes and such

Low bar compared to arbi, who has nuncio and...

[unreal nova]

Dog kills buffing.

And technically dog brittle counts, just annoying to path.

[unique orchid]

It does count but if anyone has used it i havent noticed

[unreal nova]

It's hard to notice in most cases since single target.

And well, it applies as fast as the dog can pounce and attack.

[barren nimbus]

Is the new class just a buffed veteran

[pseudo fiber]

No

[tame lodge]

It's a ranged zealot

Smh

So don't worry about it

[barren nimbus]

Damn I might actually like that then

[unreal nova]

Ranged Zealot with questionably Vet-ish things.