veteran-class

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[mystic glade]

only a bad player would say this

[midnight wyvern]

I basically don't play anything other than H40

cooked

[pseudo fiber]

PS is meta in havoc what year is it

[rotund tartan]

this doesnt make you good

99% of h40 players are braindead

[azure narwhal]

I am pretty surprised people don't know the meta for vet is psword not ds

[burnt pelican]

Ur not an h40 player dude based on what ur saying

[midnight wyvern]

and you think DS is better than PS, what does that make you

lol

[rotund tartan]

better than you and correct 👍

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[rotund tartan]

yea you're like 14

[broken scroll]

It's the meta for bads that like to play passively and/or can't leverage mobility

[azure narwhal]

Literally no

[burnt pelican]

Mobility is extremely important dude

[rotund tartan]

why would you need to dodge when you can just spam shout/taunt/smite?

the average h40 player cannot kite or dodge, just sit in bubble and eat overheads

[burnt pelican]

And veteran is the easiest class to die with

[mystic glade]

clicked your youtube and channel and saw you playing psyker with bubble purg, very bad movement, CAMERA shake and poor aim

[pseudo fiber]

This whole conversation is just baiting eachother now

[rotund tartan]

of course you dont need ds4's mobility to dodge effectively, but the ds4 makes it a million times easier

that's why its better than power sword

[rotund tartan]

expected

[broken scroll]

I embrace the pro strats of dodging into overheads aimed at someone else

[burnt pelican]

Like seriously if u do havoc 40 vet ur MAIN job is to not die

[midnight wyvern]

@steep flower something to feast your eyes on later

[azure narwhal]

It is nowehere near as bad. Ask anyone who actually tests damage values, mk6 dps push attack into light does more, and power sword lights are better at killing hordes of elites, especiallly ragers

[midnight wyvern]

[burnt pelican]

On high havoc u cant stand still and kill things man.

[mystic glade]

another not so very good player

[rotund tartan]

i dont look in here very often but "power sword is better than dueling sword" is exactly the kind of take i expected

[pseudo fiber]

You have two hands you know that right

[burnt pelican]

And low mobility = u fall behind ur team

And ur not ogryn so ur dead

[azure narwhal]

??? You're acting like you don't have movement without dsword or knife. There are so many builds that don't run either

[midnight wyvern]

who are you?

[burnt pelican]

I mean if u wanna run laspistol for movement speed sure or recon

[burnt pelican]

Idk, one of the best players in the entire darktide community

[midnight wyvern]

so many people that would hate to hear that their reliance on higher mobility weapons is a crutch when they could just you know... clear the enemies

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[burnt pelican]

He helped me get to true survivor 2nd try

[rotund tartan]

this is insane projection man and you keep doing it

[burnt pelican]

In this current season which has ASS modifiers

[rotund tartan]

you have this weird idea that the people telling you ds4>psword because mobility are just bad and crutch on it

[azure narwhal]

Why do you have to rely on x thing for movement though

Like, ever

[broken scroll]

I mean, yeah, people rage hard at any suggestion that the dueling sword is a crutch and needs to be nerfed; that's why it's been so fucking ridiculous for 2 years now

[burnt pelican]

Spoken like a true psyker main

[rotund tartan]

as if killing enemies with a "higher dps" weapon is somehow less "crutch" than actually needing to dodge them

lmfao

[pseudo fiber]

So you admit PS is better?

Since as you just said it's better at killing things

[burnt pelican]

Try running an immobile build on h30+ and find out for urself

[rotund tartan]

try reading my message again 👍

[burnt pelican]

Ull be dead 80% of the game

[rotund tartan]

you'll notice the speech marks around the "higher dps"

[mystic glade]

no, because mobility is broken in dt

[burnt pelican]

At least on vet

[turbid ibex]

It is higher dps

Like insanely higher dps

That is not up for discussion

[pseudo fiber]

Apparently now it is

[rotund tartan]

apparently mobility is up for debate?

[turbid ibex]

Plus it actually has horde clear

[rotund tartan]

it doesnt matter if the psword does higher dps

[midnight wyvern]

[turbid ibex]

Quite a lot of it

[burnt pelican]

Again liking a weapon and it being good are different things

[rotund tartan]

idk why im sitting here debating a twitch viewing 17 year old

im moving on

[turbid ibex]

Nah i dont like psord

[pseudo fiber]

Both of these weapons are S tier that's the whole point we're talking about which is better lol

[midnight wyvern]

yeah lol, my next to no melee spec build topping melee kills and occasionally melee damage from just PS and the 15% melee damage node above WS keystone

when playing with zealots and ogryns

[azure narwhal]

It's not imobile. The bar that's being put is like "If it's not dsword (which is literally one of the highest standards for movement), then you can't run it

[midnight wyvern]

they can use whatever they want, they could just be less vocal about being dumb

that'd be nice

[turbid ibex]

I think having to activate it every 3 hits is annoying but i recognize its one of the top contenders for best melee in the game

[distant mural]

Imagine getting carried i to h40 once and getting a big head about it.

But of course my job in hacoc is not to die lmao

[turbid ibex]

Is there any weapon that has higher mobility than ds actually?

[burnt pelican]

True

[broken scroll]

I mean, psword is extremely good. The point isn't that either is bad, it's just which one is the nebulous "best". Which is the dueling sword, cuz it does basically everything the power sword does except horde clear, which is pretty easily made up for with the right gun and shredders, and also gives a massive boost to mobility and by extension both survivability and damage

[midnight wyvern]

yeah not like vet has probably the most versatility of any class atm and a huge amount of utility

[burnt pelican]

U cant run powersword without a mobility sidearm thats a fact im a vet main you cant debate me on this

[midnight wyvern]

but nah, they die if they don't crutch a mobility weapon

[pseudo fiber]

Yes you can yes you can

[distant mural]

Pssssh do t tell em

[burnt pelican]

You will literally disappear

[midnight wyvern]

[burnt pelican]

On h40???

[distant mural]

Truly bleak

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[midnight wyvern]

dogshit bait

holy

[distant mural]

Its truly pathetic bait

[burnt pelican]

How many of u here are even h30

Debating this

[mystic glade]

you can bro, thats not what we are arguing, everyone knows ps is braindead and op but not more so than ds4

[distant mural]

My JOb as VeT in H 40 is tO NoT diE.

[turbid ibex]

But even then what is the problem with running a "mobile sidearm"

[midnight wyvern]

me running PS and Bolter for aeons

I don't even remember the sound of an autogun

[turbid ibex]

Like why do you frame that like its a negative thing

[burnt pelican]

U can survive with no mobility in h40? I mean with cordinated teams ppbl same with helbore arguement

[distant mural]

Ever heard of….dodgeslide?

Or ogryns?

[midnight wyvern]

or timing

[mystic glade]

yes, mobility just makes it a bit easier

[pseudo fiber]

Ogryn worst class confirmed

[burnt pelican]

This is vet chat

[midnight wyvern]

ogryns weak

pls buff

[distant mural]

U are ignorant my boi

[burnt pelican]

Mobility isnt important on ogryn he can survive

[distant mural]

Ok sure

[midnight wyvern]

proof?

[distant mural]

So mobility isnt that important huh?

Learned something?

[burnt pelican]

Mb then from my experience running pubs i die way more when immobile on average

[pseudo fiber]

Have you considered who's fault that may be

[midnight wyvern]

it has to be the class

not him

everyone else is against him

[turbid ibex]

Theres a pretty massive gap between ds mobility and actually "immobile"

[burnt pelican]

I got on h40 running just pubs so no i dont think im the problem

[distant mural]

I personally tamper with my teammates framerate to get sn edge

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[burnt pelican]

Otherwise i wouldnt be there

[midnight wyvern]

of course you don't

we wouldn't be having this education lesson if you had self reflection

[burnt pelican]

I run h40 everyday dude

[distant mural]

U get carried everydax

[midnight wyvern]

and you are indeed proof that H40 players can be braindead

well done!

[burnt pelican]

Education? Im true survivor

[distant mural]

So am i woooooow

[burnt pelican]

Im not the best player sure but Im not cooked

[distant mural]

Takes 1 game and a carry

Not a big achievement

[burnt pelican]

Lol.

[midnight wyvern]

bet he thinks thats not possible either

[burnt pelican]

Yeah just 0.3% of the community has it

[distant mural]

Oh wow im öart of the 0.3%

Im soooooo goooood

[burnt pelican]

Im done with this conv u guys are being emotional not factual about things

[midnight wyvern]

and like 5% of the playerbase plays havoc

hell

thats probably generous

[turbid ibex]

Ok how did you mess up that typo this bad

[distant mural]

My fingers are dirty af from working

[midnight wyvern]

do you pronounce the ö like augh

[burnt pelican]

If u wanna actually talk facts ill debate but this isnt getting anywhere

[midnight wyvern]

I want to

[turbid ibex]

Even 5% of the active playerbase would be generous

[distant mural]

The ö is next to my p

Im german

[midnight wyvern]

ayo?

[ocean idol]

is rotten armor modifier permanent?

[turbid ibex]

Oh that makes sense then

[ocean idol]

or do those change

because it affects balance so mcuh

[burnt pelican]

Seasonal modifier

[ocean idol]

anti-armor ranged weapons become unviable

[distant mural]

Yeah youll do like 75% less or smth

[midnight wyvern]

it just makes you change what you're running, like a modifer is supposed to

[pseudo fiber]

If you want objectivity

Power sword and Dueling sword are the literal best of the best melee weapons. DS has better mobility. PS has better horde clear.

Mobility is important but you seem to have placed a greater importance on it than it than you think. Power sword is slow but its entirely acceptable to use. You don't need a fast ranged weapon to use it.

[midnight wyvern]

it starts at high DR at max hp, 75%, scaling down until 50% hp to 0%, where i thought it just stayed at 0 but saw some youtuber say it scales up the damage from 50% and below

[distant mural]

Fax

[midnight wyvern]

which I dunno about, doesn't seem that way

[burnt pelican]

Sure I cant argue with this statement

[midnight wyvern]

but, yeah starts high

[burnt pelican]

Its true

[ocean idol]

but it is annyonig when it exist for so long without variety

[burnt pelican]

I ppbl value mobility more than I should sure

Ill try ps again on 40

[ocean idol]

what weapon we are arguing about today?

[turbid ibex]

Pord and dord

[burnt pelican]

Is ps good on car

[silver patrol]

i played with the mk1 shovel

[burnt pelican]

Idk barely used it

[silver patrol]

i think i'm a shovel fan now

[distant mural]

Yes

[pseudo fiber]

Which is better and then like who is stupider

[turbid ibex]

Pord is good on everything

[pseudo fiber]

Mk1 shovel is actually the best vet weapon low-key frfr

[mystic glade]

play shovel instead, you will improve at the game way faster than with ps

[silver patrol]

it's like the only weapon that does ok against armor while being good against hordes and isn't clunky

[burnt pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/shovel-knight-running-gif-9278428

[ocean idol]

remiund me, is heavy sword bad against armor?

have not used it in forever

[silver patrol]

it's fucking horrible

[burnt pelican]

Based

[midnight wyvern]

I guess, I don't mind it that much, people I play with usually don't eat too many overheads

[burnt pelican]

But its horrible lets be honest xd

[frigid shuttle]

But I don't want to improve at the game. I want to have fun cutting heretics in half with a sparkly sworrd.

[midnight wyvern]

and Psword eats carapace good so oh well

[silver patrol]

i think heavy sword is maybe the worst weapon vet has against armor

[turbid ibex]

Dclaw?

[pseudo fiber]

That's not even a weapon it's a pool noodle

[silver patrol]

i think Dclaw might just be better

if only for the parry

[mystic glade]

yeah, always play to have fun, but i think vergillito wants to improve, thats how he has fun i guess

[ocean idol]

What overheads have to do with anything, it is that they are basically immune to ranged is annoying part

[ocean idol]

They don't play havoc, it is not worth it

and below hjavoc whatever works

which people don't clarify often enough

everything you hear here only relates to havoc

[burnt pelican]

Yeah spot on

[midnight wyvern]

900 crushers and maulers, the dangerous part of them is the instakill... I.E the overhead, which people bad can eat and then die, if you dont struggle at dodging then killing is just a matter of time

[sudden cedar]

Havoc 40 is a good way to emphasize the weaknesses of a weapon. However, in everything that isn't Havoc 40.. or higher havoc.. those weaknesses do not matter as much.

Or maybe.. they aren't as clearly visible.

Similar to how in something like BG3, DoS2 or Pathfinder Games, in normal difficulty almost everything will work and you can have fun with that, but the higher you go, the more you have to minmax or accept that you are in for a lot of pain.

[ocean idol]

How good db on zealot? Thinking to take both barrels and deathspitter

[sudden cedar]

Under decent circumstances it will oneshot mutants and bulwarks

[ocean idol]

I would argue it is not weakness of wepaons, it is scewed difficulty

[sudden cedar]

And does respectable damage to bosses. How it goes in H40.. uhm.. i don't know.

[ocean idol]

Like if instead of waves of elites we had 3 times more shooters, different weapons would become meta

[steep flower]

Try mk3 while you’re at it; it chews armor nicely

[sudden cedar]

@ocean idol Maybe. But problems with armor are problems with armor. When the enemy density and HP isn't as high, this won't be as visible.

[ocean idol]

also bG3 is v ery easy, you don't need any min maxing even on max diff (except may be honor, have not made that playthrough yet)
Pathfinder is indeed requires you to kjnow what you are doing though

[sudden cedar]

Examples are Examples.

They can be wrong.

@ocean idol A bit of minmaxing for Honor Mode is probably a good idea.

Or at the very least, an idea of what you want to try.

[ocean idol]

can always retreat with potion of invis tbh

[sudden cedar]

But that is just my opinion.

[ocean idol]

plus 5e leveling is so primitive you need tob e dumb to really fuck up builds

[sudden cedar]

Perhaps.. uhm.. a lot of people are simply dumb.

That could also be an option.

Most of that would probably just be lack of knowledge of game mechanics.

@steep flower What is it?

[viral blaze]

This whole conversation about mobility was very interesting

[turbid ibex]

We should add bhopping to darktide

[midnight wyvern]

mid of a honour mode playthrough and its good fun, with 2 other people and a bit of minmaxxing kinda just comes with the drops you get, they can benefit what you're doing or they don't

[sudden cedar]

Hard to say where minmaxing begins really.

[slow sky]

You must use duelling sword in uprising or youre being inefficient

[sudden cedar]

I see it as part of the fun for those difficulties.

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/execution-gif-24034353

[sudden cedar]

@slow sky Yeah stuff like that is just nonsense.

[slow sky]

Its true though

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, why kill things normally when I could kill them harder for no extra cost or real effort

booming blade, my silly little guy

[slow sky]

I would have never gotten out of uprising without minmaxing

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/hBIGia4Sbja.gif

It being true should not make it the be all and end all

Options are there to enjoy if you give them the chance.

[slow sky]

It was true first though

So its the truer true

[sudden cedar]

true-true yes-yes

[viral blaze]

I think a lot of people love to be very mobile, which makes sense, even in the early days of darktide a lot of people said knife was the best melee weapon of the game

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/btlWG.gif

Is that why there aren't as many ogryns? Because you are a slow and lumbering giant?

-supposedly-

[pseudo fiber]

Everyone is worse than me that's why I'm dead all the time right cole

[sudden cedar]

bruh

[viral blaze]

Maybe they play ogryn for the power fantasy idk

[distant mural]

Wo needs speed if you can just hit really really hard

[sudden cedar]

Dakka Dakka Dakka

[turbid ibex]

I play ogryn cause its the funniest

[sudden cedar]

With that sad excuse of a weapon that is Power Maul

[distant mural]

Ogryn is my fav class i dont care

[autumn ferry]

sedition was the TRUE casual filter smh

[distant mural]

Ogryn is just super funny imo

And the melee is goated

And by far the best frontline

[turbid ibex]

Wish the ranged was as goated

[distant mural]

We would be too powerfull

And rumbler exists kinda

[turbid ibex]

Rumbler is a statistical outlier and should not be considered

[azure narwhal]

I don't have to because countless people do it, many others agree that you can for a good reason, literally some of the best vets around couldn't care less, i don't even have to speak of my own opinion here, just how it has been for quite some time. I don't deny that mobility is good, but it is not crucial to the point of restricting your picks by any means

[distant mural]

I agree plus its a crutch i hate using it

[pseudo fiber]

Rumbler is an ontologically evil weapon

[distant mural]

Truly

[burnt pelican]

I was wrong on the mobility arguement as it turns out

propably from running too many pubs

where people just run it down to the end of the world and if u cant keep up u get flattened

thats about it

[azure narwhal]

That is

Their fault anyways

[burnt pelican]

I still think mobility is a must on pubs mainly due to having a ton of experience from running pubs myself but yeah not a must u can make it work without it 100%

[azure narwhal]

Bad pacing and lack of cohesion

As expected anyways

[burnt pelican]

yeah thats pub havoc 40s

[azure narwhal]

God forbid someone doesn't have a premade

[burnt pelican]

I only think mobility is very important on vet other classes dont mind as much cuz they can survive if it comes to it

[autumn ferry]

being furthest ahead in the mission just means you're doing the best

[burnt pelican]

vet if ur left alone by ur team cuz they are rushing ull have problems

I had that experience with power sword multiple times hence why I stopped running it

[azure narwhal]

Shredders are good at making up for a lack of pace/breathing room but kraks are incredibly useful rn

[burnt pelican]

but again its not the sword its the people I played with

[azure narwhal]

Yeah

[steep flower]

Lack of game mechanic understanding is usually a killer
However proper aproach to the problem through trial & error is also good; observe the enemy, the environment; plan accordingly

[burnt pelican]

rotten armour is calling

[azure narwhal]

Yeah pretty much

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower I agree with that

[burnt pelican]

remember bois they buffed crushers and said there would be less of them as compensation

#neverforget

rotten armour ranged damage reduction has also been called out for being bugged and not working as intended after their helath drops below 75

[viral blaze]

Well streamers and youtubers said months ago that the game was easy and boring

Fatshark : hold my beer

[burnt pelican]

those are the same dudes that are playing the game 10 hours a day

not the average player

[steep flower]

Having an average mobility weapon is enough; only bad thing is when you run fir example boltgun & crusher

[burnt pelican]

like ok I got true survivor but do I think this should be a title in the game? no

[steep flower]

Or double shield for arby

[burnt pelican]

its way too hard and completionists will not be able to get it

[steep flower]

Hard maybe for the inexperienced & impatient

[burnt pelican]

idk Im not a completionist but I dont think u should have to no life a game for month/months to get a single title

[slow sky]

Yes.

[burnt pelican]

my personal take

[slow sky]

They just couldn't cover me

[burnt pelican]

theres a fraction of people that like 100%ing a game

[distant mural]

I do have a job and you dont need to play 10 hours daily to get the achievements

[pseudo fiber]

Thank you for the affirmations I am going to now play DB shockmaul without weapon spec

[steep flower]

I’m a nolife… why u hurt my lil feelings

[burnt pelican]

idk I started this season and true survivor is not something people can just boost you to

[distant mural]

But i agree that the people complaining havoc is too easy are infact nolifing the game and have no concept of reality.

[burnt pelican]

people that helped me did mention that you could last seasons and now its impossible

[mystic glade]

but what if it is tho

[burnt pelican]

u guys had mixed opinions on it idk

[mystic glade]

2 people is rough

carrying 1 guy is easy

[burnt pelican]

with the current modifier pool?

[mystic glade]

yeah

[burnt pelican]

I remember you guys saying otherwise

[distant mural]

Yeah

[mystic glade]

if i get my boy ham and kej in there its easy

[distant mural]

A good team will automatically carry you

[burnt pelican]

u do have to sort of be able to pull ur weight tho, to an extent

[distant mural]

Yeah

[burnt pelican]

I agree

current state of havoc I feel is too rough for vanilla

in vm2 u have cata 3 onslaught but its modded

[distant mural]

Havoc has bad wepon balance but is definetly doable imo with a good team.

But people like Reginald for example who say that havoc is too easy are just out of touch.

Its just a very hard challemge but its doable

And the weapons could be a lot better balanced for it

So theres not just 1-2 meta kits

[burnt pelican]

I had an arguement with a person in the vm2 community that runs cata 3 onslaught regularly where he said the game is too easy and I had to remind him 0.1% of the population can even run that diff let alone complete it

ur not the average demographic

like sure ud like a better challenge but the average person will get clapped XD

[ocean idol]

i will skin you for this suggestion

[distant mural]

That is true but also what you kind of want right?

[ocean idol]

bhopping is most vomit inducing unintended mechanic ever concieved

[distant mural]

Without any challenge theres no reason for havoc

[turbid ibex]

Good luck catching up to me

[distant mural]

We could just keep playing auric

[burnt pelican]

its the auto clicker vermintide 2 arguement all over again XD

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/halflife-hl-sv-autobunnyhop-speedrun-bhop-gif-20253168

[autumn ferry]

yeah havoc should be ball crushingly difficult, its what its there for

[distant mural]

Yes

And as long as its not impossible im fine with that

[burnt pelican]

hmm maybe Im based

I think havoc is too hard for vanilla

[ocean idol]

Problem with darktide and vermintide is that difficulty here is TOO fair

[burnt pelican]

but its just my take on it

[ocean idol]

meaninig if you don't fuck up, you can overcome anything

[autumn ferry]

then do not play it you dont have to

[distant mural]

I beat havoc 40 with pubs

[ocean idol]

for compariuson in Space Marine there are situations completely outside of your control

[burnt pelican]

oh I love havoc dude I just dont think its good for the game

[distant mural]

That was a horrible grind but its doable

[burnt pelican]

the average player plays what heresy

[distant mural]

It all depends on the team

[burnt pelican]

I studied game dev thats why Im discussing this

[distant mural]

Thats allright tho if thats ur limit

[ocean idol]

btw why martyr and not piety?

[distant mural]

But some people just want MORE

Allways

[burnt pelican]

do I like havoc yes would I be upset if they made it easier? idk the current modifiers do suck ass rn

[viral blaze]

I think havoc should be way less stupid but with some vt2 chaos wastes elements

[distant mural]

It will feel much more rewarding if you just beat it someday without them lowering diff

[ocean idol]

havoc is more tedious than difficult tbh

[viral blaze]

So you go there and you pick what the game throws at you

[burnt pelican]

yeah I remember when I hit 40 first time

lol

[distant mural]

But when i get tired of metagaming in havoc i just play auric again.

[burnt pelican]

I dont have anything against havoc itself just the modifiers

most of them are just unfun

[distant mural]

Yeah that aswell

[autumn ferry]

heres ur rotten armor blighted stims bro

enjoy

[burnt pelican]

rotten armour forces vet to play 20% of his weapon pool on havoc

genuinely what in the fk is that thinking

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-no-nononono-gif-7950670

[viral blaze]

Its the response to people saying the game was too easy

[burnt pelican]

he is the only class that gets hard dictated on what to run

[ocean idol]

exactly what i said

[burnt pelican]

other classes can run about everything in high havoc

ngl I ate well during heinous rituals week

I enjoyed being able to run spearhead again on high havoc

was good while it lasted

[ocean idol]

what is difference between taxes?

[tame lodge]

Mainly moveset

[tame lodge]

Mk4 has vertical heavies

Weapon Specialist mentioned

[ocean idol]

and they all seem to have identical purposes

[ocean idol]

wtf is this trash

[dapper coyote]

WS DB combo belike

"I have 67 more shells in this 2 barreled break action shotgun, Wolfer"

[turbid ibex]

Mortis trial full auto indulgence

[dapper coyote]

Fucking love that buff

Just BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

With ogryn spamming boxes of anti pc

[ocean idol]

goddamit i did not care for titles so i was not mad at idiot sbefore

now i am because i want auric survivor title

[autumn ferry]

ASS is really, really rough without a static

you will just get teams of incompetent people and theres not much you can do about it beyond just leaving before you die but its kinda cringe to do that

[native ocean]

P sure they patched that out, if you quit your ass streak resets

[dapper coyote]

ASS?

Mmm

[autumn ferry]

i dont think they did, one of my friends quit out and still got ASS fairly recently

[autumn ferry]

auric storm survivor, the title

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

[native ocean]

Yeah all darktide players relinquish their glutes until they earn the title

It's in the EULA

[azure narwhal]

No, not the title, glute spread now

[tame lodge]

Yeah they are okay

Fast

Safe

Has access to brutal momentum

[dapper coyote]

Whoa whoa whoa, you inviting slaanesh now?

[azure narwhal]

HE'S IN THE GODDAMN WALLS

[clear lantern]

cats in the walls? now you're speaking my language

[surreal rune]

i would describe the maelstrom players ive seen as

floating along in the game

not thinking so much

[native ocean]

Don't you love it when a mael game is going good until the randoms suddenly separate and die

[modest jungle]

the problem with queuing up with randos for maelstroms is the vast majority of people selecting maelstrom missions are demonic lizard cultists who make it their life's mission to pretend to be as stupid as possible in multiplayer games and die a lot

i can't handle it

i spend enough time wonder wtf the people i'm playing with are doing as is any more and my weak heart might finally give out

[ocean idol]

yeah, i don't normally do auric maelstroms because they are not intense enough, but today i tried, and holy shit, people there are absolute chaos worshipping goblins

normal auric people way more competent on average

[dense belfry]

Why are my veteran talents reset?

[ocean idol]

talent trees rework

[dense belfry]

Oh shit, fr?

Did they add any buffs in the patch notes?

[distant plaza]

[steep flower]

[dense belfry]

Guessing not.

[distant plaza]

[steep flower]

[dense belfry]

Veteran is still underperforming compared to the other classes, then?

[steep flower]

[ocean idol]

[dense belfry]

[steep flower]

[ocean idol]

vet was never underperforming

[steep flower]

The only underperforming one is the player controling the vet

…also build

[void dragon]

Both Psyker and veteran are dumb levels of "how this passed any degree of balance test?", with Psyker being ahead by a good lot

[viral blaze]

Psyker always been kinda godlike

The skill ceiling because of the low survavibility was high

[native ocean]

Attracts the most of the unskilled players too

[viral blaze]

Now its more accessible to average players because you dont get fucked up as fast as before

[dense belfry]

Did the more shit vet weapons get buffed?

[viral blaze]

Not really but now veteran because of the light rework of the skill tree is fundamentaly way stronger

More survavibility, more overall damage, more everything

[dense belfry]

Guess i'll have to rework my autogun build.

[serene bough]

Pre patch they were an ammo and gold toughness bot, post patch they can continue to be so with far better talent access to key nodes and far less tax (in addition to buffs to things such as kraks and exe stance that made other playstyles possible)

[tall torrent]

Melee no
Ranged yes sorta

Vet tree still has some stupid tax

[dense belfry]

Damn. Was hoping they buffed shovels.

[serene bough]

They had one build which was still very good but the recent changes to the tree maxed vet dmg a lot

[tall torrent]

But on avg ur looking at 70% more damage than before as long as ur not trolling with ur build

[tall torrent]

Well

U do get way more damage than before

Cuz tree just gives u more damage

[dense belfry]

But the swing speed and lack of cleave are still quite bad?

[hot dragon]

Shovel MK1 is excellent

[tall torrent]

Trench fighter easier to access

[dense belfry]

Really?

[tall torrent]

Cleave same as before

[hot dragon]

Yes

[serene bough]

@tall torrent I like ducktov

Good game

[dense belfry]

Daah. Phooey.

[hot dragon]

Heavy for horde cleaning light for elites special for stagger

Big damage

[tall torrent]

Where did u get to yet

[ocean idol]

only in havoc really

[tall torrent]

Did u reach farm town

[serene bough]

I just reached the first zone that you zipline down to i forget the name

[tall torrent]

That’s warehouse area (2nd zone)

2 bosses in there, both are roamers

[dense belfry]

Seems weird.

[hot dragon]

Vet is still good anyway as everyone told you

[hot dragon]

I promise you it pulls out big number in a weapon specialist build. Other foldable shovels tho Im not sure but MK1 is good

[viral blaze]

Vet is probably the anchor of a good 4 man team actually

[tall torrent]

Vet is the strongest class after psyker even tho psyker leads by a very significant margin

[hot dragon]

Psyker is just in a class of his own

[tall torrent]

But that’s more to do with psyker being gamebreakingly op

[orchid hemlock]

Psyker neffs when Fatshark?

[dense belfry]

I know vet is good, but is vet overall better?

[tall torrent]

I just told u above

New tree gives u avg of like 70% more damage than before

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah Vet is the best specialist killer in the game

And with the buffs they are also good at everything else

[hot dragon]

Yes

[orchid hemlock]

They are also the second best boss killer in the game 💀

[viral blaze]

when you start your team your first pick a vet, then a psyker, then whatever you want

[tall torrent]

What’s first then

Shroud 1 tap?

[orchid hemlock]

Yesir

[dense belfry]

Nice.

[hot dragon]

Also Kraks are better and in an environment where you encounter Crusher packs in any corner it’s really good. + Ammo aura + shout. It’s really good

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh Ogryn is a great class to set up boss killers tho

So idk if Ogryn should be considered better or not 🤔

[orchid hemlock]

Kraks are primarily for bosses and Bullwalks

Don't waste it on crushers unless you have a huge stack

[dense belfry]

How's chainsword looking for Vet now?

[tall torrent]

Mid

[dense belfry]

Still "meh"?

[tall torrent]

It’s still a Chainsword

[native ocean]

most iconic 40k weapon still not that fun to use

[orchid hemlock]

We still got evis 😈

[dense belfry]

Would it be good if chainswords had more penetration against armor?

[serene bough]

How long is the game

Or how many zones

[orchid hemlock]

The problem is that the alt attack is dogwater into every situation except maybe a boss

[steep flower]

Mk3 also goated; chews armor nicely

[dense belfry]

So it needs a stronger stagger?

[hot dragon]

It’s not the greatest weapon but definitely usable at least in Auric. You can play everything up to Auric HITSG without gimping your team, as long as you are a good player

[orchid hemlock]

No the problem is that having to stand still for 200000 years to deal any damage to carapace enemies without being able to block or dodge is painful

[steep flower]

Vet can do it too; anyone can who can stagger a boss & can use skullcrusher (so everyone exept psyker )

[dense belfry]

I see.

[steep flower]

Crushers really only; reapers need heavy rev to stagger
Thats why arby is best with chainsword

[hot dragon]

I’ve seen some very skilled players pull insane damage with what is considered trash tier weapons in Auric HISTG. As long as you’re good you can play anything when not in higher havoc

[steep flower]

ALL chainweapons need better rev stagger

[steep flower]

I use chainsword arby in h40 and i’m good

[hot dragon]

Kudos to you !

[dense belfry]

Must be nice having an easy way to kill staggered ragers.

[orchid hemlock]

It also doesn't help that finesse based weapons are just in general better at dealing with armored targets

A good example is the mk3 Chain Axe

Yeah it has good single target damage, but the best combo to use it with is the push attack, which is just a poke.

And then I realize: wait this is just a push knife but worse 💀

[ocean idol]

zealot chat will discuss any game but darktide

[ocean idol]

the other chaxe has nice =rev heavies though

[tough nova]

The self root on rev attack makes the juice not worth the squeeze on targets that need the rev.

[pseudo fiber]

Case and point

[tough nova]

Chsword is still Hella fun to light spam into mixed hordes you are a blender

[frigid rover]

i like shovel because hitting things many times is more fun than hitting them once

[tough nova]

This is the mental remedy folks need for slow TTK weps

I like stunning a mutant with the special and then digging a hole in his face

[tall torrent]

50-80hrs
The base game maps include:
Ground zero
Warehouse area
Farm town (very large)
J-lab
Storm area

[frigid rover]

if i want to kill fast i simply switch to my trusty shooter gat
as i take any talent that gives dmg and ignore anything that gives survivability
'win more' build huh? damn right i intend to win more ||(why did i lose half my hp to one zombie nobody could have predicted this)||

the only hitpoint that matters is the last one
which is good, because i have one hitpoint

[tall torrent]

Not enough tbh

[tame lodge]

1 hp and a dream

It's the best way to play Darktide

(martyrdom enjoyer)

[frigid rover]

very true

'...but first they have to hit you.'

[plain osprey]

I wanna play darktide so bad.... Alas, stuck at work

[dense belfry]

Burn down the building /j

[serene sage]

Trip the fire alarm

Then just drive home

They can't stop you

[distant mural]

Because u didnt dooooodge

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[plain osprey]

Thats is such a sayian approach

The building is the natural science library however

Future students may need that

[plain osprey]

No, but they could fire me

[distant mural]

Thats none of your concern

Depends if you wanna u know….keep working there.

[plain osprey]

Funnily enough i leave next month, already handed in my notice because i start a new job next year.

But id rather leave without criminal charges filed against me

[dense belfry]

Then invent a time machine so you can skip work.

This a good enough shovel?

[tall torrent]

Yea just change perks and blessings

Stats gud

[barren nimbus]

Should I just be running flak carapace on my power sword this season

[dense belfry]

Recommendations are appreciated.

[hollow ibex]

uncanny deci

[tall torrent]

Unyielding carapace uncanny decimator

[dense belfry]

Cool. Was told to do Uncanny strike last time.

[frigid rover]

rending is quite stronk

[dense belfry]

Does the shovel have those?

...Or are those just 4 blessings that you forgot to use commas to seperate?

[frigid rover]

...perks:

• Unyielding damage
• Carapace damage

blessings:

• Uncanny Strike
• Decimator

[tall torrent]

Unyielding perk
Carapace perk
Uncanny strike blessing
Decimator blessing

[frigid rover]

for big bonks on big problems

[dense belfry]

Thank you.

[plain osprey]

Get rid of the shovel, equip the dueling sword instead

[plain osprey]

Lmao

[tough nova]

Skullcrusher over decimator imo

[dense belfry]

Do i look like a psyker to you?

[covert fable]

Vegeta 😭

Goat in dbz

[covert fable]

Dbz abridged referance wow

[ocean idol]

Right, too smooth brain to be a psyker

[plain osprey]

One sword to rule them all, and in the darkness, stab them

[ocean idol]

Getting backstab with shroud is better than getting headshot, right?

[tall torrent]

u shud aim for both

[ocean idol]

I can't see how you can get both on any of the relevant targets except bonbon

Crushers heads placed too forward, same for plague ogryn

chaos spawn head is not reachable fro mbehind

[tall torrent]

which weapon are u using

[ocean idol]

knoife

[tall torrent]

yea that's a knife problem

[hollow ibex]

Just do a little hop for the ogryns

And you should be able to get the head

[surreal rune]

yeah jumping works for attacking from behind

old bardin and shade tech

[primal bobcat]

Did they nerf the autopistol ?

[silver patrol]

the shredder?

[ocean idol]

Do other items reach head through back?

[tall torrent]

yea

[ocean idol]

I am trying

[ocean idol]

Hehe, and old ranger's trick... (leaps into patrol as slayer)

also it is not tech

it is very obvous solution

[hollow ibex]

A while back. It was buffed again relatively recently

[ocean idol]

still bad?

[hollow ibex]

no it's g ood

won't say it's amazing

but it's basically a mini vraks

i think it could use laspis mobility tho

[dense belfry]

Psyker's a brain dead class, what do you mean?

[serene bough]

It stops ragers in its tracks with the stagger it does but otherwise I dont think good

[surreal rune]

you wouldnt believe how many dont get that (tech)nique

[hollow ibex]

It’s a mini vraks. No way it’s not good lol

[tame lodge]

It went from the best weapon on the game to the worst weapon in the game to an usable weapon

It hasn't been touched since

[surreal rune]

i loved slayer with pickaxe because you can one shot chaos warriors

[serene bough]

Not having proper ADS is enough for me to consider it not a mini vraks

[dense belfry]

The auto-pistol is the "good enough" of weapons.

[surreal rune]

the autopistol has great utility uses but abysmal actual killing power

uses half a mag to kill a basic gunner

i hope that, if it gets put on the hive ganger

they will actually buff the autopistol

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1441604434743267338/image.png?ex=69270380&is=6925b200&hm=ecc01d2ba58d6a36692fd0721d6724a253447ae166f876b201393e1476733eb2&

Hmm yes

SAP bad

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[surreal rune]

like the combat shotguns when they would be put on the arbites

[tame lodge]

Not a 1 shot

[surreal rune]

they actually bothered to buff them

[tame lodge]

Which means bad

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1385180267148476466/1441606037051412671/2646501.MP4?ex=692704fe&is=6925b37e&hm=f39d1158dd4db6085ca84efefb46307222c161870f056373a3b18269ddd08cbe&

So bad

[tame lodge]

Wish it was good

Total Maniacs destruction

Behead maniacs

Kick maniacs

Explode maniacs

(and so on)

[hollow ibex]

I do think SAP could get a flak adm buff

That would be nice

[cinder wagon]

It only has the downside of firing normal bullets which is kinda boring

[serene bough]

Yes its good against maniac, and I guess you could gear to magdump a crusher, but the lack of proper ADS makes it less reliable outside of close range in addition to poor flak adm

[ocean idol]

looks pretty decent

why bad

[ocean idol]

most guns fire normal bullets

[cinder wagon]

True, but shotguns get an exception cause shotguns are awesome

[final locust]

we got an auto lasgun yet thats not the scout one

[ocean idol]

scout one? What?

[slate wave]

Ah Autopistol my middle of the road friend used by the select chosen

[fair shale]

Nope

[fair shale]

Recon

[clear lantern]

#darktide-pics-vids message

This guy seems to be doin' numbers with SMG + catachan

[dense belfry]

Fair do's on that bloke. "Good enough" isn't unusable

[narrow widget]

"meta" lost its meaning icl

[clear lantern]

yeah it means "beyond"

[plain osprey]

Autopistol just isnt ammo efficent enough. I will die on this hill. The thing is mediocre at best

[clear lantern]

which is why you need two of them.

[steep flower]

Takes get back in the fight but not field improv
Pepega

[narrow widget]

ts is NOT meta

[steep flower]

We get 2… on 2nd of december on a new class

[final locust]

truly tragic

[tough nova]

Autopistol is fun

[hollow ibex]

i think it's good

ammo efficiency is ok

it's primarily intended to be used as a quick reaction sidearm anyway

HIVe ganger gameplay when

class comes out in a week

and we've seen nothing

[narrow widget]

go to Chicago bro

hive gangers irl

[mortal aspen]

they must be scared of another media backlash

people will be bitching again on release day for sure

[orchid hemlock]

What else is there to see I'm already sold

[clear lantern]

saw a trailer and some screenshots
And several devblogs

[clear lantern]

good flashlight too

[orchid hemlock]

Punk Lesbian giving me Fent

What more do I need?

[clear lantern]

narcon

[ocean idol]

I know i will

even though i am interested in the class mechanics

[ocean idol]

he seems doing surprisingly well against crushers with dclaw?

[slate wave]

I can wait to make a hive scum who is just Hastune Miku

For every Miku is a Cannon Miku

[clear lantern]

that'd be more of a mega-miku, which would be canon Miku

[ocean idol]

i still don't understand who the hell miku is

or rather, what vocaloids are

I've seen enough r34 with miku to know who she is

[slate wave]

Vocaloids is just the software to make the robotic singing voice, miku is just the persona for the software

[slate wave]

Doesn’t matter, just need to see Miku drugging up and killing heretics

[brave turtle]

guys

for bolt pistol + psword what would the recommended bottom talent be

[surreal rune]

weapon specialist

helps the bolt pistol get one shots and helps refill its magazine with always prepared

[brave turtle]

rlly? i was told by 3 different squads earlier tonight in hav40 to use focus target

[surreal rune]

helps the powersword with movement and attack speed

focus target is also good

[brave turtle]

i was using ws before, performance seems about the same

horde clear with ws seems a bit better though to me

[surreal rune]

are you constantly swapping between them?

[brave turtle]

yeah pretty much

[surreal rune]

ah

well

with agile engagement, you basically have a constant

25% damage buff

[brave turtle]

i bolt pistol for anything thats markable from afar and swap to psword

if they get too close or run my mag dry

[surreal rune]

ah

id recommend the aoe bolter

[brave turtle]

yeah i use it with bleed and i think weakspot bless

[surreal rune]

agile engagement already helps it with damage

id recommend manic, flak

[brave turtle]

it fucks hordes up quick when they group around a special

i use carapace and maniac

[surreal rune]

dont use carapace

you arent killing crushers with it anyhow

the power sword is meant for that

[surreal rune]

too much ammo to be wasted

[brave turtle]

you have a good point but i find headshots on maulers crushers etc can help whittle them down a lot

since i usually play a bit behind my teammates anyways

[surreal rune]

weapon specialist procs specifically with kills while you have a melee/ranged out

so krak grenades and shredders also count

if you have a melee or ranged out while enemies are killed by them

[brave turtle]

yeah i knew that part

usually i do krak any carapace

since the bolt pistol has aoe bleed

[surreal rune]

does it?

i thought puncture only applied to direct hits

so i take lethal prox, run and gun

run and gun helps with breakpoints

[narrow frost]

Only the target it hits

Not the explosion

[brave turtle]

im pretty sure it does

ill hop on in a sec and test

i gotta get back to the havoc grind anyway

[surreal rune]

lethal prox would also make the explosions of grenades and the shots of the aoe bolter larger too

i think

[brave turtle]

so should i keep the bleed blessing even if its not aoe?

[narrow widget]

on bistol?

[brave turtle]

ok no it doesnt do aoe bleed

maybe im thinking of something esle

and yeah

bistol

[narrow widget]

yea it helps bistol hit breakpoints iirc

unless that changed with the vet rework but

@tall torrent tell me I'm stupid

[brave turtle]

so second bless should be

run n gun?

[narrow widget]

puncture but my info could be outdated

[brave turtle]

puncture is the bleed one

[narrow widget]

yea

[brave turtle]

i meant which other bless

like puncture + what?

[tall torrent]

u sure?

[narrow widget]

lethal prox if you're running grenade vet

[narrow widget]

bro I'm like pretty fuckin sure it's puncture + lethal prox

[hollow ibex]

me running DA + surgical with 15 stack MMF and deadshot

[tall torrent]

normally yea

[brave turtle]

is deadly accurate worth anything?

it looks kinda crazy

[surreal rune]

the bolt pistol would already meet all of the breakpoints that matter with other buffs iirc

[hollow ibex]

for bistol? no

only on very very specific builds

like this one

[brave turtle]

looks kinda insane

[hollow ibex]

turns out if you take all the ranged-related talents, you can make any gun good

even the bistol

[brave turtle]

i was under the impression this was one of the better picks

💔

[hollow ibex]

on vet it's more of a glorified stat stick than an actually good gun unless you run a dedicated build revolving around the bistol

[brave turtle]

where does it rank compared to vraks iag?

seems like performance is the same but maybe im just not utilizing one of them to the fullest

[fair shale]

Vraks IAG is stupidly good rn, no?

[brave turtle]

it feels like it

but

bistol 1-2 taps from across the map on snipers/gunners feels good

and i cant do that with vraks iag

[hollow ibex]

vraks is better overall

[brave turtle]

i see

[fresh dome]

the double barrel shotgun is fun

[tough nova]

Weapon specialist double barrel with Rashad is GAMING

[fresh dome]

doing it with dagger

[fossil creek]

What is vraks iag?

[tough nova]

Infantry auto gun

[burnt pelican]

can someone explain to me why psyker with 0 talent nodes on electro staff can kill specials better than vet and not use ammo

[tough nova]

It's the one with the largest mag/capacity and lowest dmg

[burnt pelican]

I dont even have to aim on them for the love of god

well, at least I have krak and shredders ig

[tough nova]

They can't and killing specials isnt the only measure for quality.

[covert fable]

Vet is for the cool kids

[burnt pelican]

fact

[covert fable]

Psyker needs a white cane cosmetic

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe already has higher base crit and scourge gives you more crit.

Combine that with martyrs high melee damage and attack speed and you tend to get more out of that than piety

And Martyr with those nodes make you really tanky actually, if you're talking about the build I posted earlier

Its more a havoc build than a base game build really.

[fresh dome]

But the weakness of tac axe is that it feel like wet noodle against crusher atless vet can use tax axe and crack to deal with crusher

[hybrid plover]

It's pertaining to something I posted earlier.

It is not that bad against carapace at all.

[fresh dome]

relic blade is my only true love

[hybrid plover]

Relic blade doesn't synergize as well with that particular build. Otherwise I always go relic lol

[fresh dome]

the mk2 and heatsink is so cash 😄

[thorn lark]

what do you put on a hellbore?

[surreal rune]

for the mk4

carapace, unyielding

surgical, weight of fire

dumb stability

[willow prairie]

weight of fire only on mk4

[hollow ibex]

WOF is great on mk 5

[ocean idol]

i still don't get why that specific taxe, they all seem the same to me

[hollow ibex]

2 is just an awkward 7

4 is more different but gives up too much horde clear for slightly better single target

[cinder wagon]

Vet can survive getting hit 3 times

You can get really high toughness

My build has like 236

[narrow frost]

Psyker still have better effective HP with how much damage reduction they have

Vet losses all Dr the moment they lose 25% of their toughness

[faint beacon]

B-But

Mr Ainz…

Golden toughness makes Vet stronger

[hollow ibex]

psyker truly suffers

bubble should give golden toughness

[tame lodge]

1 - good damage with no need to aim for weakspots
2 - psyker is broken op af 2025 not click bait

Finesse class that can start a game with +20% CRIT chance while also having another +20 every 25 seconds while also ignoring half of the games mechanics

[fair shale]

Imagine if psyker was more like Sienna and there was actual thought involved with peril

[elder fiber]

lol

[pseudo fiber]

too hard for psyker mains

[fair shale]

Unironically

Going from Psyker and how handheld it is to Sienna?

[calm shard]

better than a vet with a build?

or just a vet with also 0 investment

[hybrid plover]

It fits this specific build better because marty zealot really doesn't need that much more help with horde clear. It's also the one case where I could say Bromentum works with mk4 because you just have so much melee damage. And the uppercut special chain provides too much single target for me to not use it when that's what this build actually needs.

It's a "It usually doesn't work but it does in this case" kind of deal.

[hollow ibex]

oh was just talking generally rather than build-specific

but i've been a long-time marty mk4 enjoyer

[hybrid plover]

Oh then ya

[hollow ibex]

it's very funny

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 is a very build specific weapon.

[hollow ibex]

tfw the attack speed is so high that the animations no longer render properly on the screen

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 has a worse moveset for horde clear but has a really strong special heavy chain that also very often guarantees staggering anything that isn't a boss or impact resistant

But the worse moveset barely matters when you have so much attack speed and damage with martyr.

It's a sequence of synergies that make that particular tac axe shine with that build.

[calm shard]

I love mk4 uppercut

[burnt pelican]

I was mostly joking but I genuinely think its better than vet with a build

I didnt even have to aim just 1 sec charge instantly gone

autoaim staff

we had no vet

also pushes pox bursters away for free on ranged attack

[calm shard]

so it makes them a bigger problem

you want pox bursters to be consistent so you can counter them

whether that's blowing them up way over there, or just letting them run up

a poxburster thats stagger and lying on the floor is a way bigger problem than one that's just running about to detonate at a predictable time

but yeah I wouldn't be surprised that uato aim can be a better specialist killer than an average veteran

[gray island]

A pox burster on the floor is more consistent then one that's running at you. Cus there's always the chance that the pb is aggro on someone else and runs by you without starting to tick. And there's always the chance that someone misjudges the distance or is brain-dead and shoots them while your own the approach. Better to have it very obviously on the floor cus nobody's going near that, so it's the safest pb to shoot.

[calm shard]

poxbursters are the only enemy in the game that can't do that in my experience

poxbursters will always detonate on whoever is closest no matter what (even if they are disabled which usually makes enemies stop targeting them)

unfortunately they sometimes do this on someone who then dodges behind you because you're both frontlining together

which makes things awkward

[tall torrent]

Did y’all see hive scum cosmetics

[calm shard]

ragers, bulwarks, and crushers will straight up run through you and bodyblock you from inside because they're targeting someone else

and it's so fucking annoying

[tall torrent]

From instagram

[calm shard]

can't wait for fem hive gangers to all look like shit because of the bland grey sports bra

[gray island]

Damn I wanna be in your games

Yeah it's fucked up whenever it happens. Some lag or jank or something. I only get it like 1 in 20 but that's still enough to keep them micro aggressing me.

[tall torrent]

If hive scum have high toughness it’ll be pretty weird lol

[calm shard]

doesn't sound like they will

at least from how fatshark has described them

but hey who knows

[topaz lance]

seems like having a loincloth-like part hanging down in the front is kind of their thing eh? not the biggest fan of that aesthetic.

[gray island]

Looking at 6, I don't think that's the shirtless generic sports bra. Generic doesn't have those wrinkles.. So hopefully they actually put effort into them.

[calm shard]

Why can't it be December 2nd yet

[tall torrent]

It’s just

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bite-surprise-attack-radlcies-gif-25293070

[tall torrent]

Fr tho it is next week

[calm shard]

yeah I know

why not n o w

clearly this is because they delayed the teaser

reveal

whatever

[barren nimbus]

Would full ranged specialist only buff 10 shots of the recon lasgun

I'm having a hard time picking perks because both weakspot kills and weapon specialist seems low value

[hollow ibex]

what's next week

the delay of HIVe ganger?

[tall torrent]

Update + DLC

[hollow ibex]

[hollow ibex]

the crit buffs the first shot, the RPM buff is up for what, 10 seconds?

WS doesn't have much synergy with recon

it's mostly to help your melee if you take WS

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[hollow ibex]

the only keystone that has meaningful synergy with recon is FT

[barren nimbus]

I was looking at the uptime of WS and it is kinda bad, I often switch weapons frequently to kill enemies, so yeah only melee specialist gets good value

but then theres also a lot of times melee specialist is down

[frigid rover]

im so glad i saw that boomstick WS vet build the other day

its so ridiculously fun

everything just melts forever

[hollow ibex]

swap more frequently 🙂‍↕️

[hollow ibex]

it's a classic for sure

[barren nimbus]

Dude sometimes it takes like a fucking minute to kill these dog shit crusher stacks

[spark helm]

I kind of see it as a little superfluous only because getting melee specialist thankfully only requires a singular kill on top of additional talents that juat give you what you need to swap even more if taken/desired.

[hollow ibex]

recon las sucks against crushers. use your melee or kraks

[barren nimbus]

Thats what Im saying though. Sometimes in havoc, both specialists will be down. I stopped running skirmisher as well, its a bit tough with power sword

[frigid rover]

though i have since moved on to trying the funny deadshot inf autogun someone mentioned more recently
which is also very fun

[spark helm]

Do grenade kills while in either specialist mode contribute? I never bothered to notice it and typically just play within the rules of the tooltip.

[frigid rover]

yes grenades seem to give stacks for whatever weapon you're holding

[barren nimbus]

Shredder kills do

[spark helm]

Really

[hollow ibex]

just kill a single poxxer with your recon las and switch to your melee 🤔

[barren nimbus]

Do people still run this

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-jetstream-sam-metal-gear-rising-mgr-mgrr-gif-25187578

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's strong

[spark helm]

It's nice when you want to play with it. Works even better in combination with other toughness generation talents in my experience rather than in pure isolation.

[frigid rover]

honestly i slept on WS for a while, it feels quite good after i broke the compulsion to swap weapons unnecessarily
you just have to be a little more mindful and deliberate and its a very easy melee speed buff basically always + free ranged crits

[barren nimbus]

Over confirmed kill?

[hollow ibex]

if you play auric and above i think CK is a must-take

just because there are so many elites/specials

[barren nimbus]

I only play havoc

[hollow ibex]

o4b is an option for second pick

[spark helm]

In isolation? No, at least not in my opinion. The stacking benefits from ck tend to go much much further when the vet is also solid at dropping specials and elites.

In combination? Yes

Like something like ck, o4b, and charismatic? Very juicy.

[barren nimbus]

This is kinda what I'm looking at for lasgun build I just put on a second ago. I'm missing 10% melee speed

[spark helm]

You keep yourself topped off extremely well in a way that can make being a little stupid with risking iron will's threshold a lot better before any other toughness steroids.

[barren nimbus]

I cant see charismatic

[spark helm]

It's the uh node opposite from demolition team.

Got merged with the original charismatic talent that used to be at the top tier of the middle tree.

[barren nimbus]

Oh born leader

[spark helm]

Mhm

[barren nimbus]

Yeah born leader does seem strong when paired with close order drill

[spark helm]

The one that used to be extremely whatever unless you were obsessed (like me) but required some talent arrangements that could make one miss out on more desirable and flexible talents, maybe even cores depending on what was going on.

So it's much more accessible than it used to be.

Works very nicely in my experience with exestance builds. Keep in mind, I don't have the same experience into havoc compared to others. But I do definitely got my own thoughts from just apeing out on most of the game.

[barren nimbus]

Missing the 10% free squad damage kinda sucks here

and 10% melee speed

[spark helm]

I guess depending on your melee weapon, it might not be that big a deal?

[barren nimbus]

Yeah I am unsure of how good it is

[spark helm]

What are you planning on using or do use?

[burnt pelican]

what weapons r u using again?

[barren nimbus]

In havoc I even feel like the 30% weakspot damage node kinda sucks

[barren nimbus]

idk tbh

[burnt pelican]

happens

[barren nimbus]

Everytime I dont use the power sword I get genuine cancer

The knife actually hurts my hands

[burnt pelican]

yesterday I said sth in general then dude replied and I asked in vc who hes replying to

amnesia 100

[barren nimbus]

But now the powersword is kinda bugging me because I constantly get surrounded and killed

[calm shard]

how I feel with rotten armor density

just having good carapace damage doesn't feel enough for how many of them there are

have to use the best anti-carapace weapons, and kraks

[burnt pelican]

veteran this season is just nade spam pretty much

u have water pistols for ranged

and ur fighting in the sahara

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/xdnQg7X

[burnt pelican]

now do this in rotten armour

[barren nimbus]

Try doing that when he's thug shaking

[burnt pelican]

ill be so happy when this season is over and I can finally use the guns I like

[calm shard]

I actually did for my first h40 clear this season

[burnt pelican]

me joking aside vet has good melee

[barren nimbus]

The reason I hate the helbore is because I use the power sword, and you basically get sentenced to time out every weapon swap

[burnt pelican]

but like man I dont like melee vet I like gun go brr

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. As long as you have weapons that can handle carapace at least decently, you're fine as long as you use kraks in rotten armor

[burnt pelican]

vet is fine im just taking a piss most of the time

[hybrid plover]

Kraks are the only thing I'd call required for rotten. Unfortunate but it is what it is.

[burnt pelican]

Im not a ws enjoyer thats all

its good just not for me

[hybrid plover]

I am

[calm shard]

ah barely not a 3 shot into h40 rot armor crushers

shame

[burnt pelican]

how did u spawn rotten armour

[calm shard]

mods obviously

[burnt pelican]

yeah that doesnt help me xD

[hybrid plover]

That being said, you don't need ws to go melee vet.

I will die on this hill.

[calm shard]

solo play mod

[burnt pelican]

ty

[calm shard]

you just pick the pyskhanium as a mission and you can put havoc modifiers on it

healthbars are buggy with it tho

[burnt pelican]

omg that helps so much

i love u rn