veteran-class

[tame lodge]

It's on the lights

[calm shard]

they did for Mk12

[tame lodge]

Which are

💀

[calm shard]

I mean those lights aren't half bad

Well they are half bad

They're like okay

[tame lodge]

💀

[calm shard]

But hey they aren't just bad anymore!

and you can stagger ragers with push attack!

I still prefer Mkv IV because of how insanely funny the breakpoints for the light attacks are with high melee damage builds

[clear lantern]

Fatshark patch in that veterans flashing their high-lumen lights from their autoguns stuns ragers

[calm shard]

1 shot light attack ragers, 2 shot light attack bulwarks

3 lights for a crusher

sure

[brave turtle]

would be fire

torch would be useful for something other than alt fire aim perk (which is kinda dog?)

er, ability node or whatever the fuck idk

[brave turtle]

What

[clear lantern]

on an orestes IV chainsaw?

lotta brittleness I guess

[calm shard]

can technically get down to 2

3 is the "practical" breakpoint

you aren't going to get this breakpoint in a real match but the fact that it's technically possible is very amusing to me

look at all the active buffs xd

[brave turtle]

umazing

[calm shard]

3 is relatively practical for melee vet builds having your buffs active

has to get at least one crit

[brave turtle]

insanity

[clear lantern]

imagine power-ing up to super sayian god veteran super sayian and still requiring a crit to take down a single unit in two hits

[calm shard]

two light attacks

[brave turtle]

my psword takes like 3

4

[steep flower]

meanwhile humble bloodletter & thunderous combo does all that without buffs

[brave turtle]

maybe 5

[steep flower]

[clear lantern]

like 2 poke-light-light combos

[calm shard]

thunderous sounds useless on a weapon like the chainaxe

I just don't see it ever stacking enough

[steep flower]

Its for the bleed

[clear lantern]

THUNDERBLOOD

[steep flower]

1 stack gives already big dmg cause math in this game

[ocean idol]

because vet does not have comparable damage boosting ult. Infiltration adds some damage, but it is short duration, and veeery long cooldown

I like it with martyr

makes wepaon bearable

[ocean idol]

i was told brittlness is bad overall?

[thorn lark]

yeah but you only care about reaching bp on bruisers and some elites

overdmg is useless in that case

for everything else you have either nade or your ranged weapon that you can juice up

[ebon wing]

is laspistol good on vet?

[regal smelt]

yeah people like to run it with ghost through havoc

[ebon wing]

wich blessing can you recommend

with the ghost

inferno?

i heard las pistol does also good dmg if its build right

[regal smelt]

probably dumdum. I dont think you get enough crit for inferno to be worth without another blessing feeding it. outside of havoc I wouldnt run ghost though

[thorn lark]

i use dumdum

[ebon wing]

ok

dumdum and ghost?

i know dumdum is very good for zealot but didnt know its good for vet too

im thinking of running it with dagger maybe

[serene bough]

Dmg maxing is dumdum + infernus

[thorn lark]

hmm dumdum infernus is nice with a bp build

[serene bough]

Replace infernus w/ ghost if you want survivability

[thorn lark]

i was trying dumdum ghost on marty.. not sold

[regal smelt]

dumdum is just good because close range is actually pretty far, and you dont need a kill to get the damage boost first

[serene bough]

I dont run ghost these days

Vet toughness regen is bonkers

[ebon wing]

ok

so dumdum doenst only prok on meele?

[thorn lark]

dumdum desperado could work well too

[thorn lark]

wdym?

[regal smelt]

dum dum is going to stack up on every shot basically, you dont need to be in melee range of the target

[ebon wing]

ah ok

but you need to make dumdum work you need to meele

after stacking

[thorn lark]

????

[regal smelt]

nah its all range based. you get stacks by shooting and those stacks give your gun more damage

[ebon wing]

because it says close range hit

i thought i

[regal smelt]

the push on laspistol does no damage and swapping to melee disables the blessing

[thorn lark]

''range''

[ebon wing]

ah ok

make sense

thank you

[regal smelt]

ye

[serene bough]

Just with the bullets

No melee required

[ebon wing]

ok

so dumdum and inferno

is good

[serene bough]

Yeah, if you feel youre dying too much feel free to grab ghost or other toughness talents in the tree

[ebon wing]

ok thank you

[distant mural]

Yos

[brave turtle]

300 toughness vet build:

[serene bough]

But I dont find ghost worth it anymore

[tame lodge]

Oh
The game interprets close range as 12.5m

[distant mural]

Actually up to 40

[turbid ibex]

3 toughness build

[tame lodge]

You have 100% effectiveness until 12.5m

[brave turtle]

3 17 toughness with +5 toughness on all

[tame lodge]

Then it falls off until 0% at 30 meters

[brave turtle]

🔥

[tame lodge]

So the joke is

[regal smelt]

for the differences between mks just know the one that shoots faster stacks and procs talents and is generally easier to spam, but the one that shoots slower has more dps if you actually hit heads, apparently

[tame lodge]

close range
Looks inside
30 meters

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[distant mural]

Yeah the slow onr is also more ammo efficient

And i wont need shocktrooper with it

And its still very fast

And you could switch inferno with the headshot thing

And it wont piss off your entire team

[regal smelt]

shoot around your teammates so they keep looking for snipers thinking its a sniper laser

[serene bough]

Not a fan of the slow laspistol

Feel like it needs more punch

[distant mural]

Its like lasgun yeah

Fell off hard

[turbid ibex]

Special action is now a punch

[regal smelt]

definitely a pain in the ass to hit heads with it if you have any hitreg issues

[distant mural]

Its a fun gun but it just needs more dmg

[serene bough]

Perfect

[distant mural]

Its nice to kill shooters and atuff

And the laspistols honestly need more ammo

[turbid ibex]

Btw fun fact

Green laspistol actually has slightly more ammo than green ilas

[distant mural]

They both need more yeah

[ocean idol]

aslo after playing havoc now i see why some balance takes so weird

because people make them about high havoc

which is entirely different game than what people are asking

[slow spade]

Yeah Havoc is funny in showing how many weapons get bricked for Vet

As it turns out, giving enemies 50% hp and something stupid like 75% ranged resist makes a lot of builds sad UwU

[turbid ibex]

OwO

[clear lantern]

glances at my 50 billion cool autoguns and sighs

[slow spade]

I remember when they said Havoc would still allow "build variety"

[tacit sonnet]

There was build varietly kinda

then they added garden

then stims

then rotten armor

[slow spade]

Ccccc:

[tacit sonnet]

now there's so little build variety that there are actually no good builds

no matter what you play with, it's dogshit!

[mystic glade]

Skill issue

[serene bough]

Its difficult to have build variety with such high density of armor and high hp pools

Youre inevitably going to gravitate towards weapons that excel at punching through armor and clearing mixed hordes

[tacit sonnet]

weapons that already excel, still excel

[clear lantern]

and if one weapon can do that, why use anything else

[tacit sonnet]

and weapons that sucked are just unusable now

[serene bough]

True

It doesn't help that weapons like pyro staff just get more value the more dense the game becomes, counterintuitively

[clear lantern]

pyrostaff + scream + shield bubble

stackin' soulflame

[serene bough]

Plasma is also like this to a degree, cleaves everything and shoots through walls as long as you have LoS

[distant mural]

Yeah the ranged resist is such a stupid modifier. Thats why i usually just ogryn in havoc.

[narrow widget]

flame staff is infinite value anyway

[blissful wasp]

I started playing Veteran any tips?

[formal ice]

Shoot but not much

Use melee to not waste ammo

[azure narwhal]

There's really nothing too special. How you play exactly is dictated by your keystone, though usually, you simply use your ranged for whatever it excels at and melee for everything else

WS promotes hybrid playstyle, MMF promotes greater ranged usage but doesn't work with all weapons

[hollow ibex]

vet is not the "gun class", vet is a hybrid class and you should be using melee quite frequently

[barren nimbus]

Is the chainsword good in havoc yet

[azure narwhal]

the local first time veteran just discovered shock trooper and recon lasgun, may god save us all in this lobby

[azure narwhal]

There are still better options due to power sword just existing but cswords got treated well, you can take it

Eviscerator still being left at the bottom of the ocean by comparison

[blissful wasp]

Oh kinda bummed I can't just spray and pray

[hollow ibex]

you could

you'd just end up with least damage done and most ammo taken

[azure narwhal]

depends on your definition of spray and pray

if you want to shoot literally, most of the time

then yeah no

but

shock trooper will still alow you to be abusive

just dont go down the coping with onslaught route

melee the ogryns and bosses

[narrow widget]

the recon lasgun shock trooper vet in question:

[barren nimbus]

This havoc season feels completely terrible with how much carapace there is

I can’t really find anything I like on veteran that isn’t the same shit I always ran

Every melee weapon feels genuinely pathetic compared to power sworf

[narrow widget]

Rashad

[mystic lodge]

Ngl Vet's Commissary cosmetics look great

[hollow ibex]

vet cosmetics are peak

[blissful wasp]

Any recommendations for vet builds

[azure narwhal]

it's WS, so note it's a more hybrid playstyle

[blissful wasp]

Oh that I'm good with

[slate wave]

100% lying to you and I am super biased because I love the chainsword to death, and will die on this hill.

It has always been good in Havoc the rest of you people are just cowards ♥️

[steep flower]

Where
Is
Your
Field
Improv

[surreal rune]

martyrdom chainaxe be so good until the game throws 8 crushers at you

[azure narwhal]

I AM NOT DROPPING ANYTHING FOR THAT "SUPPORTIVE" TALENT 🗣️

[steep flower]

Use thunderous & bloodletter

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsword-warhammer40k-gif-27208887

The teeth crave flesh brother

[blissful wasp]

I

I will trust the build and hope you are correct

[barren nimbus]

It’s kinda funny how useless 2 stacks of bleed are

What is that 36 damage

[hollow ibex]

all dots are useless at 2 stacks tbf

[slate wave]

Why we stack lots lmao

Anyway Fatshark give me a chain glaive…totally am not a nightlord enthusiast

[tame lodge]

Most likely 10

💀

[barren nimbus]

I’ve always thought that shredder grenades were pretty pathetic

I never got why people saw them as the literal bees knees

[hollow ibex]

maybe this is why

2 nades = 12 stacks of bleed

on everything in AOE

nothing to scoff at

[slate wave]

I mean shedder grenades are great, both grenades have excellent uses.

Shedder for AoE clear
Krak for Single Target delete

[barren nimbus]

The psyker did more damage there though. You also could have just killed everything instantly with a power sword

[hollow ibex]

which is why the killfeed lit up with the psyker's name instead of mine... oh wait

[barren nimbus]

Is the killfeed final hit or most damage done?

[slate wave]

Is that the humble double barrel I see???? Please me this set up

[slate wave]

Final hit

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

ooops

@slate wave

[barren nimbus]

Like one krak grenade can do 5k damage to a crusher

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422753980957589554/56BA4F1.MP4?ex=6925ac26&is=69245aa6&hm=caa7858b345b5ed8ec98f957dd663da42d9f4f0ffdb65aeea285829520edfe60&

[slate wave]

Bless you! I want to use the double barrel for vet, was using it on Arbites for a mintue

[hollow ibex]

DB is meant for vet tbh

match made in heaven

[slate wave]

Yeah…to a single crusher

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625217718194277/6A17271.MP4?ex=6925476a&is=6923f5ea&hm=541e05f6c77a1a4ed7cdf87eb9965cfee2dd59781c0a6c7f7da2a6abdd0d1290&

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/big-news-bullish-bullish-af-crypto-fantastic-gif-12625977894912205248

[barren nimbus]

That's more damage than 2 shredders, and it's relevant damage

[hollow ibex]

kraks are great, shredders are great too. they do different things, and both do their respective jobs well.

i don't know why you insist on comparing shredders to kraks in a role that kraks are completely specialized and designed for lol

[slate wave]

Shredders are meant for AoE, Krak is single target, I think you may be misunderstanding. They are both great for their jobs

[crisp oak]

Or 10 crushers in a trenchcoat

Thanks rotten armor

[tame lodge]

Yes we agree that Krak deals a shit load of damage, but we are not expecting it to clear a room

[barren nimbus]

But one shredder grenade won't even change the breakpoints for anything, it's almost just pointless stat padding

[hollow ibex]

wdym change breakpoints

shredder was never about breakpoints

shredder's about fucking up everything in a postal code

we're not talking about a thunder hammer or something

[slate wave]

I fail to see the argument? Like if I see a crowd of bs, I am throwing a shredder grenade and saying woe be upon yee

[fair shale]

Rot armor really has tweaked people's perception for the worse methinks

[hollow ibex]

killing mixed hordes is stat padding

nothing counts unless you're killing crushers 🙂‍↕️

[slate wave]

You right, but then theres Khorne worshippers like me who rush in with my Chainsword praying to the chaos goads that I am gonna cut this damn crusher in half

[willow prairie]

single shredder for aoe stagger

double shredder to kill shit

[hollow ibex]

exactly

not rocket science

[slate wave]

But it is math

[tame lodge]

Goads

😭

[slate wave]

1+1= room clear

[willow prairie]

I don't think personal preference have a place when talking about what good lmao

[slate wave]

Me no write good Boss

[tame lodge]

English hard me know

[silver patrol]

is MK1 shovel single target combo M1 spam/PA m1 spam

[narrow frost]

Yes

Lights to build up uncanny/deci

[silver patrol]

makes sense, feels a bit anemic

[slate wave]

Yes, as a crazed, trench fighter just spam M1 and you’ll killz

[tame lodge]

You can also

Special into pa

[silver patrol]

yeah i was about to ask, what about the special

[tame lodge]

You basically guarantee 2 stacks of Skullcrusher that way

[willow prairie]

stagger everything

(except bosses)

[silver patrol]

wow duelling sword special

[slate wave]

Only thing better than a gun vet is a vet with a shovel

[willow prairie]

like you want to run skullcrusher over decimate

[slate wave]

I mean what is a shovel but a DS that works a 9 to 9 at a blue collar and has 6 kids

[silver patrol]

you lose decimator stacks when you miss a swing right?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[surreal rune]

im already using a bolt pistol with puncture to build bleed stacks for scourge and blinded by blood

that would work

[slate wave]

Or maybe Khorne just doesn’t love you enough?

[covert fable]

Oiii

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-20268310

[orchid hemlock]

Corn?

[covert fable]

Wake up

[tame lodge]

Grab a little brush

[steep flower]

Try las pistols; you will have 2 dot’s

Or recon las

Or accatran shotgun

[slate wave]

Khorne!

[hollow ibex]

khorneflakes

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-skulls-for-the-skull-throne-blood-for-the-blood-god-gif-18272573

[queen fox]

a healthy and nutritious source of iron!

[void dragon]

Mostly plasteel but also lots of calcium

[tall torrent]

Yes

Despite this Decimator usually outclasses skullcrusher on shovel

Because it’s not actually good at keeping up stagger

Heavy sweep can’t stagger ragers out of combo

Only good stagger atk is the special which has a stagger stage override and cannot heavy stagger anything

And the weapon is dependent on uncanny strike

If it could run like trauma for extended stagger duration then maybe skullcrusher would be competitive vs Decimator on it

But that requires FS to look at uncanny strike and tune it properly

Which hasn’t happened for the last 3 years

[surreal rune]

shoutout to uncanny's balancing making it a must pick on nearly every weapon that has it

and entire weapon's viability hinges on it

i dont think the dueling sword or knife would be that good if they didn't have uncanny

[tall torrent]

They’d be fine

[surreal rune]

i mean that good as in

[tall torrent]

They’d still be fine

[surreal rune]

meta defining

[tall torrent]

Because u can do crit + finesse build and get largely the same result

[surreal rune]

true

[slate wave]

I like knifing

[tame lodge]

Take a swing meta one day

AoN Take a Swing meta

[tall torrent]

AoN could be rly good if it gained stack for Xs per stamina spent

Would be even better than headtaker for some weapons

[ocean idol]

So can someone explain why shroud now meta over fury?

[tall torrent]

U 1 tap things better

Wouldn’t say it’s directly better tho

[ocean idol]

so is Low Profile worth taking?

and same question about Overwatch

1m cooldown on ult is not nice

[tall torrent]

Infil is not worth in general

[ocean idol]

😭

don't break my hopes and dreams

[tall torrent]

It’s just not as good as the other 2 abilities

[silver patrol]

discount shroud

[hollow ibex]

I mostly use infil for stealth bomber or when I get annoyed with ES on melee builds

I don’t use VOC

[ocean idol]

Actually after some more usage, i start to disagree

It gives you 10+ seconds of basically being ignored by enemies

10 seconds of being able to do whatevr you want

-90% threat does that

when using double shotty, should i even use it outside of having guaranteed crits from WS?

[tall torrent]

Yea, not as good as the other 2 abilities

[hybrid plover]

Ten seconds of also potentially fucking your team with misusage.

[tame lodge]

The alternative is Both Barrels Deathspitter

[hybrid plover]

The one good trait to Infiltrate is a subnode that can also make things worse

[ocean idol]

so if i don't have those, better not shoot it without the ws stacks at all?

[ocean idol]

well just don't?

Do fast shooting weapons like vrak iag benefit from ws?

[hybrid plover]

That isn't as simple as you think. Stealth abilities in general, no matter how carefully you try to use them, can always backfire on your team because of how they affect enemy AI.

Shroudfield at least has a lot of positive for going stealth now with the rework. Infiltrate did not get that treatment.

[slate wave]

Poor infiltrate never as well feed as its big brother

[ocean idol]

you mean backstab bonuses?

[hybrid plover]

But even Shroudfield, you'd really only want to use it sparingly specifically to not screw your team over.

[ocean idol]

I dunno, i just dislike VoC on principle

[hybrid plover]

Yes. And how ridiculous the one hit you get for it is. Since you can either nuke or at least severely damage bosses as well as basically guarantee a one shot on anything else.

[ocean idol]

Is + toughness, stamina regen and gunner resistance always recommended options for all curious?

[ocean idol]

Only with thammer?

[hybrid plover]

Anything that has a good finesse multiplier will do great damage with shroudfield's bonus.

[ocean idol]

taxe? 👀

also thammer does not have good finesse multiplier, still it is the best weapon for this

[hybrid plover]

Even something like tac axe still benefits from it.

Thammer

Is a very weird case.

[tall torrent]

Just stealth 1-2s, get the kill and move on, it’s simple

[tall torrent]

Allow me to demonstrate

[hybrid plover]

It's not that it has a high finesse more that the reason why it does so well for boss killing is because it just has a stupid unyielding multiplier.

[ocean idol]

[hybrid plover]

It's actually not that great for much else.

[tall torrent]

Shroud is much higher boss damage than FotF, and gets better 1 taps

[ocean idol]

Knife would make worse, righ?

[hybrid plover]

Which is why I recommend relic blade for shroudfield if I'll be honest.

[tall torrent]

While FotF gives a sizeable atk speed bonus

It’s roughly equal

[hybrid plover]

Knife is great with shroudfield.

[tame lodge]

Mainly the extra fire rate

That's about it

[hybrid plover]

Because crazy finesse multiplier, only weapon with an innate backstab bonus. It adds up nicely with shroudfield.

That being said.

It's also the one case where I'd fully recommend mk3

[tall torrent]

It’s not as easy to hit head from behind with knife

[hybrid plover]

Because of that exact reason.

[tall torrent]

On some enemies

[hybrid plover]

Mk6's moveset doesn't complement shroudfield as well because of the starting heavy being the vanguard swipe

Mk3's heavy stabs just get a lot more value out of it cuz the angle of the swing can reach heads from the back more consistently.

[tall torrent]

Play martyr shroud relic blade

Brainrot pro max plus

[hybrid plover]

Relic blade low key the best shroudfield weapon

[ocean idol]

What is the inherent backstab bonus for kinife?

[tall torrent]

25% for some atks
15% for some atks

[hybrid plover]

P sure it's 25% for the stabs

[ocean idol]

BRUH

I feel so stupid

it literally never occured ot me combine martyr with shroud

they were like separate characters for me

[hybrid plover]

I've been running with IJ. It is not bad at all either.

[tall torrent]

IJ is better than martyr most of the time yea

IJ sorta costs more to run tho

Martyr u just need TDR and atk speed subnode

IJ needs all 3 subnodes

[ocean idol]

how IJ better than martyr?

[tall torrent]

Not much less damage bonus, boosts dodge, barely slower atk speed

And doesn’t require u to run weird curio setup

[hybrid plover]

Also pathing let's you take the 10% sprint speed node, which is actually quite nice for relic

[ocean idol]

+20% for 10 seconds compared to perma +50%?

[hybrid plover]

Let's you be a lot more aggressive.

[hybrid plover]

With all subnodes, it's very easy to keep that 20% permanent

Also, IJ is base damage.

[ocean idol]

interesting, chaxe heavy special can also one-shot crushers fromb ehind with shroud

[hybrid plover]

Meaning it affects melee, range, and DoT damage too.

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s 20-30% damage difference which isn’t nothing, but it’s not such a massive difference that it’s make or break, and this is assuming not taking riposte’s +15% which makes that difference even smaller

Tho I will say

Martyr somehow boosts throwing knife damage

I have no idea how

But whatever

[hybrid plover]

And you can get Riposte which, 15% melee damage for playing the game is nice

IJ boosts knife damage too but that's an intended relation. Idk why martyr does lol

[ocean idol]

are throwing knives meta btw?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[ocean idol]

Actually what is the current stealth build for zealot, anyone has link?

[hybrid plover]

They made the nades easier to path with.

Did not fix the actual problem with them

Or rather, not that there's a problem but knives are sustainable by themselves entirely by just killing and ammo packs.

[ocean idol]

And which ranged weapon is meta?

[hybrid plover]

Relying on grenade packs is a lot less consistent, especially if you have another class that relies on them on your team.

[ocean idol]

flamer goes well with knives

[hybrid plover]

Flamer is meta. Unfortunately.

[ocean idol]

Why unfortunately lol

[tall torrent]

Martyr is supposed to be +melee damage

[hybrid plover]

Infinite cleave has been catastrophic for this games balance.

[tall torrent]

Somehow it affects throwing knife damage too

Which I’m pretty sure uses ranged atk tag

[hybrid plover]

Yeah I know. It shouldn't

[ocean idol]

It is knife.
Therefore melee
problems?

[tame lodge]

💀

Your melee ranged weapon hybrid

Affected by martyr

Affected by Anoint

[plain osprey]

Anything can be ranged of you throw it hard enough

[hybrid plover]

Tbf knives have always had weird interactions

Like knives proccing puncture with bistol

It isn't that surprising to me.

[tall torrent]

I’m starting to think

Martyr is actually +dmg

[tame lodge]

Funny rending duelist 3600 carapace 1 shot

[tall torrent]

But only while melee weapon in hand

[hybrid plover]

Or knives having rending on uncanny strike stacks

[tall torrent]

Because martyr’s damage buff doesn’t apply to throwing knife when gun in hand

It’s quite weird

[tame lodge]

That's some spaghetti coding 💀

[hybrid plover]

I won't complain about it.

But it is a weird oversight.

If it is even an oversight anyway.

Actually

Does martyr also affect DoT damage then

[tame lodge]

Or does it affect Immos

[ocean idol]

i think they used to proc some flamer blessing?

or was it boltgun

[tame lodge]

Showstopper on the flamer yeah

20% chance though

[primal zealot]

imagine if showstopper was good

[hybrid plover]

It also gets affected by strength bonuses.

But that's intended.

[tall torrent]

Didn’t check

[hybrid plover]

Cuz I recall using lacerate knife with martyr and scourge at least before rework

And it was surprisingly potent actually.

I wonder if this whole time, even the bleed was getting buffed

But I never tested because martyr implies it was only the melee damage so I was thinking the crits I was hitting were just really strong with the extra damage.

[ocean idol]

why lacerate and not flesh tearer

[hybrid plover]

Scourge.

Flesh tearer entails you have have crit to get bleed, which with martyr, isn't that consistent

Lacerate will always proc bleed on a non weakspot hit which starts off scourge a lot quicker.

[ocean idol]

So flesh tearer actually better for vet, and lacerate for zealot?

hmmm

how did you reach scourge with martyr

don't think i have enough points for that

[hybrid plover]

It depends. If you're running piety, flesh tearer is 100% better

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer is better for both
But zealot needs a specific keystone to do crit well

[hybrid plover]

Lacerate normally is not good.

But it does synergize with zealot better if you don't run piety but want to run Scourge

[ocean idol]

Ok i just tested

Martyr does, in fact, affect bleed

[hybrid plover]

Well shit.

[ocean idol]

wait

actually no

wtf

where the fuck did damage bonus come from???

So 8 stacks do 86 damage

I got myself damage to get 5 stakcs of martyr, and initially got 120+ damage on bleed

But don't know how i got it, because after that i was not able to get same value

So it seems it was not martyr

[hybrid plover]

Are you also running uncanny

[ocean idol]

Ah, probably uncanny

yes

[hybrid plover]

Because that affects anything that isn't unarmored or infected

[ocean idol]

so yeah, bleed is not affected

[hybrid plover]

Might be worth trying without uncanny

[ocean idol]

Just gotta be careful and not aim at faces lol

[hybrid plover]

So you'd get an actually consistent result

[ocean idol]

But yeah, 100% sure now, it does not affectb leed

[hybrid plover]

Just be a dwarf.

[ocean idol]

... all my characters actually are of minimal height

[hybrid plover]

Well you're already on the right track.

[plain osprey]

Btw is anyone still using any of the shovels? I feel underpowered af when i use them so i usually stay with psword of pfalcion.

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 shovel good

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately height maxing is optimal in this game for hitting weakspots in melee

And tbh

Lacerate doesn’t need specific targeted atks for weakspot

Just light spam at horde

[ocean idol]

Shovel seems to be meta for vet

[tall torrent]

The light atks are not good at hitting multiple weakspots

[plain osprey]

Actually found that one to be the weakest.

[hybrid plover]

What

[hollow ibex]

They’re ok

Useable

[plain osprey]

Not enough damage on neither heavy nor light

[plain osprey]

I thought that was ds and knife?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[hollow ibex]

The main issue with shovels is that their unyielding damage is pathetic

But otherwise they’re good

[ocean idol]

goddamit, was i lied to again

[hollow ibex]

Mostly from obscene damage juicing

[hybrid plover]

That's why you run serrated

And right side

[plain osprey]

If only Bosses werent such a serious threat on high level endgame content

[hybrid plover]

Shovel is good as a safe blessing stick essentially

[tame lodge]

Oh it's definitely a popular pick
But not the most effective

[hybrid plover]

I'll be real. I don't really have issues with bosses with shovel

[ocean idol]

this what i've been told

[tame lodge]

Maybe next update will buff shovel

Considering it's on the "Trenches of Atoma"

[hybrid plover]

But thats because I know how to use my kit to permastagger them

Other than bonbons

Fuck those guys

[ocean idol]

so

piety + shroud

or martyr + shroud

[hollow ibex]

with voc?

[hybrid plover]

Martyr tbh

[hybrid plover]

Ye

[hollow ibex]

honestly i've started running agri CS with shovel

to shore up the unyielding damage

agri / zarona CS pretty much cover the ONE weakness of shovels

[plain osprey]

Trench mission is gonna be fun. I hope there are barrels

[hybrid plover]

I wish shovel db worked better with exe stance

[ocean idol]

Sooo lacerate then for scourge procs?

[hollow ibex]

yeah not a huge fan of DB with shovel tb

tbh

because DB also isn't good against unyielding

and DB's main strength (horde clear) is very well covered by shovel

[plain osprey]

Ive seen someone with the Agrippina combat axe today

I hate that weapon. So fucking awkward

[hybrid plover]

It really depends. It's not the only way to run it. I personally like it since it gives knife decent horde clear while still doing big hits with shroud

[ocean idol]

sold

that's what i needed exactly

especially since i am going mk3 for those backsta bs

[hybrid plover]

Since you have so much atk speed that you don't need to rely on weakspot hits for horde clear

[plain osprey]

Favorite vet melee weapon is a tough one for me. Probably tac axe. Maybe rashaad combat axe

Best is ofc dueling sword

But thats boring

[hybrid plover]

I joke about the Build being meta. It is really fucking strong but it's not that easy to use either.

[ocean idol]

do you take that +10% attakc speed node

kinda taxing

[ocean idol]

i really don't get love for tac axe

[hybrid plover]

You don't need it. But it's nice to have.

[ocean idol]

"kill your wrist" weapon

but worse than knife

also taxe sounds similar to TAXES

[hybrid plover]

One of my best builds being a tac axe build lol

[ocean idol]

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

[plain osprey]

I actually found that for Moser decent builds to be the case. Psyker can melt alot with his best builds but its gonna take alot running him without dying every two seconds

[ocean idol]

What blessings and general build for it?

also build for vet or zealot?

don't you dare to s ay psyker

[plain osprey]

I am left handed. I use my left hands middle Finger for the attack click. Never had issues with my wrist 🤷🏻

[slow sky]

not pathetic, but not amazing
it does have decimator+uncanny to help it quite a bit, plus serrated

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a059c383-6b26-4514-b41a-76e27ea6ee89/pious-axe-murderer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[plain osprey]

Eh. We all pay a price one way or another

[hollow ibex]

it's like what 2k dps against bosses with deci right side build?

[hybrid plover]

@sonic kayak tried this in havoc and gave it the seal of approval

[hollow ibex]

i think that might beat... shock maul

lol

[hybrid plover]

Didn't fill the curios because I was lazy but I run 2 wounds and one stamina

[ocean idol]

why you are not using left-handed mouse/

[ocean idol]

penetrating flames, not overpressure?

[hybrid plover]

It helps to wittle down walls of crushers in havoc

If you have a brittle trauma psyker. Then yeah go overpressure

Also, I recommend using mk4 on this. Not the others like usual

Mk4 tac axe

[ocean idol]

why?

I don't remember difference between taxes

used the wepaon just a few times

[hybrid plover]

Because martyrdom enables the heavies to do stupid amounts of damage

And you can chain the special into the uppercut heavy

[ocean idol]

ok, i'll try it, although i take fury over book

i don't like book

[hybrid plover]

Which pretty much guarantees staggering whatever's in front of you that isn't a boss or impact resistent

It works with fury.

[plain osprey]

I didnt find one in a gaming configuration within my budget

[hybrid plover]

I only made this build because I wanted a book build that can actually be aggressive.

And a version of this before the rework was what got me my first h40 win

And clutch in the same game lol

[plain osprey]

And i grew up with right handed mice as a left handed person because my dad was like "you dont need that, the right handed one works just fine with your left"

Hot take, book zealot is superflous when a shout vet is present

[hybrid plover]

Eh. Golden toughness spam is still alright.

[dense bridge]

Recon lasgun is stupid fun if you build it right, honestly might be my favorite gun for Vet

[hybrid plover]

Personally. In most cases, I'd rather a fury or shroud zealot though.

Because a lot of chorus zealots relegate themselves to being full on support.

And I just think that's a bad idea.

[ocean idol]

nah, way shorter cooldown

all the cdr options zealot now has are insane

[ocean idol]

with infernus?

[hybrid plover]

They're not. At all.

[dense bridge]

Yeah, I’m still missing two talent points but I’ve been able to do auric maelstroms with it

[hybrid plover]

This is actually where zealot falters. Their CDR is worse than it used to be across the board.

[ocean idol]

well this is true for all classes

[slow sky]

good

[hybrid plover]

And because book has an innate cooldown of 60s, no form of cooldown can make chorus shorter than shout.

[dense bridge]

I love my BRRRRRT

[ocean idol]

but zealot can keep it constant

[hybrid plover]

Constant. But still slower.

[azure narwhal]

Chorus has taken a serious hit. But ability CDRs have been nerfed accross the board tbh

[ocean idol]

ok did not know it had 60 base cd

[azure narwhal]

Though that's good in my eyes

All my homies love fotf.

[hybrid plover]

Arguably, the build I linked

[ocean idol]

i liked when you could reset fury with 1 good crit on horde...

[hybrid plover]

Is a weaker version of the one I used before rework for that reason.

Since pious cutthroat was busted as fuck.

[plain osprey]

Aight, imma go to bed now and dream of shovels and trenches.

In life, shame. In death, attonement.

Good night

[slate wave]

Helbore would like a word

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

Nothing like a good’ole bayonet charge with a gun that shoots as slow as my dog moves but hits like a truck

[azure narwhal]

Unparallelled drip

[slate wave]

If only we had that chest piece, we got the sword, we got the mask, but commanders coat? Nah

[azure narwhal]

Yeah it's a shame

Krieg stuff in DT is a little cheaply done anyways

Not exactly what we're used to seeing in tabletop.

[sonic kayak]

Me neither, but this is alright

I've used it in Rotten Armor healing/stimms and it's surprisingly potent

[slate wave]

I wish we had that good krieg drip

[sonic kayak]

Otherwise I use fury evis because I am a masochist

[sonic kayak]

You are good drip

[hybrid plover]

I might try it with IJ if I'll be real.

[sonic kayak]

I'll get around to using my evis with IJ

[slate wave]

I need Veteran to get another big ole’ two handed weapon something dumb

[hollow ibex]

breaching axe when

[sudden cedar]

When we get Voidsmen Breachers (duh)

[steel barn]

Two Handed Shovel

[faint beacon]

Navy Breacher Axe

Literally just a two handed axe

Just saying

[slate wave]

Please lmao

[tall torrent]

@hybrid plover nvm just checked, Martyr doesn't affect dmg outside of melee atks

[hybrid plover]

rip

[hybrid plover]

Honestly, it could just be blessings on the melee weapon affecting the knives too

Since that is a known interaction

[tall torrent]

it was 25% flak perk

[hybrid plover]

Checks out

Since that affects all base dmg

And I do know strength blessings affect knives too since I run relic with ET and the strength bonus definitely affects the knives

[hybrid plover]

Honestly

From that logic

IJ lacerate knife might also be a genuinely decent option

Since IJ buffs bleed

I'd try but my connection is still utter shit

[tribal dawn]

@rancid egret I either use default soldier drip or this one for my Inf. Lasgun build.

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/a5e9181426d99ebe28799be6cc4e393f a fellow flak helmet enjoyer

[tribal dawn]

The scion helmet is pretty based too.

[hollow ibex]

That neck tho

[lucid rivet]

anyone got more of a supportive build for veteran, or a build that focus on the recon lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

can run something like this

[lucid rivet]

ty

[sharp epoch]

paths generic path

[hybrid plover]

It is now fixed for some reason

[sullen scarab]

is weapon specialist build + executioner stance like the best one for bolter nowadays

[hollow ibex]

bolter doesn't really synergize with WS

[sullen scarab]

focus target better?

i think it was something like this for bolter?

all my builds got deleted so I'm remaking them lol

[tall torrent]

IJ's issue is point cost

[hollow ibex]

yes or mmf

don't really need rending on bolter but otherwise this works

[sullen scarab]

Was it Carapace/Unyielding, Pinning Fire/Puncture for the bolter itself?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[sullen scarab]

MMF build something like this?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's a well-rounded build

i tend to go full meme and go heavy left

15 stacks and all that lol

but your setup is probably more... adviseable

[sullen scarab]

sounds good haha

i was digging through older builds and saw one not take Superiority Complex or Trench Fighter

but that made me sad

[hollow ibex]

yeah both technically may not be needed

SC might not actually change breakpoints for you

if you have MMF and PF up

[sullen scarab]

yeah

if I take off SC, wonder if I should take like Tactical Reload or Exploit Weakness

[hollow ibex]

EW's a good pick

one of the reload talents is good on bolter too

though not strictly necessary

it's just a QOL pick

[sullen scarab]

yeah i really feel it when I have a slow reload lol

Long Range Assassin any good with the bolter?

or is the uptime kind of low

[hollow ibex]

i always take it personally

uptime is good

but if you take it you prob have to give up on right side melee nodes and whatnot

[sullen scarab]

yeah I'd have to give up exploit weakness

but eh

i want to SHOOT

so I'll SHOOT

i'm using tacaxe so I bet I can give up trench fighter as well lol

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah don't need TF with taxe

[burnt pelican]

This belongs in psyker class

I think you misclicked the thread

[tribal dawn]

I want to like the power sword. I just wish it had more stamina.

[rancid egret]

🗣️ BASED

[barren nimbus]

What veteran melee weapon is as powerful as the arbites maul

[hollow ibex]

power sword

[fair shale]

PS more powerful tbh

[fallow beacon]

is the mk4 the one with the good stab?

[surreal rune]

no

the mkiv is the one with the most damage on shots

but worst melee

[mystic lodge]

whats the best devil's claw sword mark?

[surreal rune]

i think the 7

for the decent armor combo

[random steppe]

Is there something I'm missing with the Helbore? I'm not typically a fan of charge up style weaponry anyways, but I'm wondering if there's a reason I should look past it

[hollow ibex]

prob the best vet gun overall

that's it

[barren nimbus]

it's so slow though, but it is good

[mighty anvil]

you know the one hit combo for crushers?

[barren nimbus]

no

[tall torrent]

do u enjoy 1 shot headshot gunner/flamer with effectively infinite ammo

[random steppe]

Huge ammo pool is great but to be quite honest, I've never found any issue with taking out gunners and flamers as it is, so if that's the main upside it feels a tad arbitrary

I may stick with my silly higher fire rate weapons, i like having the oh shit option to spray and pray when need be

[random steppe]

Mostly just due to the damage per shot when charged up?

[hollow ibex]

yeah and infnite ammo

[tall torrent]

it's the best ammo economy 1-tap headshot gun in the game, basically

[random steppe]

I was gonna say, I think I brought an infantry lasgun on a damnation mission (just now getting back into higher difficulties since the change bc i've been playing w friends new to the game) and it seemed to perform pretty well. Though I'm also wildly uneducated on what's considered best and tend to go based on how weapons feel

I've recently started getting into all the semantics and numbers games though to make my life easier, partially because doing all the penances on Zealot was a headache and I don't want the same slog with Vet

sry for word wall btw

[tall torrent]

helbore is almost always a direct upgrade to inf las in the current state of the game

[hollow ibex]

basically what helbore is lol

[random steppe]

i dont know why it feels so tedious to me 😭

maybe i'm crazy lmfao

[thorn lark]

I have tried the PS again, I though you could activate while blocking but I think I took some dmg doing that

[tall torrent]

Activate doesn’t have block enabled

It’s just an animation chain

[thorn lark]

how do you activate safely?

[narrow widget]

vet penances are thankfully a lot easier than zealot penances

actually I think zealots have it the hardest

[tall torrent]

u dodge atks and time activation according to how they swing at u

[narrow widget]

"fuck it we ball"

[thorn lark]

OK, it's not as brain dead as the relic or the falchion then

[tall torrent]

Ya

[thorn lark]

the stagger on it is stupid good

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

[tribal dawn]

Is there any real difference in the two Power Sword marks? I checked the movesets and whatnot but literally everything is the same lmfao.

[austere mica]

Ps6 has a vastly better anti armor combo

[hollow ibex]

6 is just better

[tribal dawn]

Ok. Ty.

[jaunty sphinx]

I was dealing with so many rot stimms matches that I forgot just how annoying final toll garden is

[burnt pelican]

Do NOT bring helbore into quickplay r u crazy

Its every man for himself in public games ur gonna suffer helbore needs teamplay

[topaz axle]

Just started playing this game again since I heard it got a ton of new updates, is there any reason why most vet builds prefer the Plasma Gun over Revolver?

[burnt pelican]

Its great on havoc where theres less ammo and theres teamplay

[topaz axle]

or is there something I'm missing?

ahh I see thanks

[burnt pelican]

That reply wasnt for your post

[distant mural]

Plasma is good in havoc but its a love it or hate it gun imo

I personally hate it

[burnt pelican]

Oh god where do I start

[topaz axle]

I like the revolver because it makes me feel like a cowboy :)

[distant mural]

Revolver is really good on vet

[burnt pelican]

Plasma gun is the second most broken side arm in the game

[distant mural]

And the revolver is pretty decent at killing crushers

[burnt pelican]

First being inferno staff for psyker

[topaz axle]

Yeah I made a revolver specifically for that lol

[distant mural]

U forgot rumbler

[topaz axle]

they were getting on my nerves when I started playing again

[burnt pelican]

Oh yeah its 2nd or 3rd def

[distant mural]

Its inferno rumbler and then whatever u want imo

[topaz axle]

I guess i can try out a plasma gun

Building weapons is certainly more enjoyable now

[burnt pelican]

What diff r u playing

Revolver struggles on higher diffs

[topaz axle]

mostly just Heresy to get back into it

been farming weapon mastery

[burnt pelican]

Yeah revolver is very good on heresy

[distant mural]

Imo you can play pretty much anything up to havoc 20

[topaz axle]

before I attempt any bigger challenges

[distant mural]

And revolver is definetly good upt to havoc 20 aswell

[burnt pelican]

U dont need plasma in heresy

Pretty sure revlolver oneshots specials on heresy

And ammo is abundant

[topaz axle]

Yeah and a good setup will one tap crushers too

[burnt pelican]

Just dont run the mag dump mark

[distant mural]

Revolver will oneshot anything but crushers and bullwarks/reapers. and muties.

[burnt pelican]

Its a meme i like it but its awful

Oneshot is great

[distant mural]

I would take crucian roulette and handcannon

[burnt pelican]

On magdump?

[distant mural]

And flak unyielding

No the 5 shot

I hate the one without sights

[burnt pelican]

U dont take surgical?

[topaz axle]

I have Handcannon and Surgical for mine

[burnt pelican]

On vet?

[distant mural]

Yeah

[burnt pelican]

Bro.

[distant mural]

Surgical is fine too

But u wont allways aim that long

[topaz axle]

I've been using it as my heavy problem solver

[distant mural]

Sometimes u pop iff 2 or 3 amd them crucian is just better

[topaz axle]

Along with focus target

it's very fun

[burnt pelican]

Thats what its for u switch to it instantly aim for 2 secs and shoot elites or specials n they die

U need either the weapon specialist or the bottom left keystone for crit on aiming sights if u do tag build

[topaz axle]

All the guides on youtube say dueling sword is pretty good so I'm gonna master that one next

[burnt pelican]

With surgical

Otherwise its bad

[topaz axle]

ahh I see

[burnt pelican]

Dont trust youtube vids and gamelantern builds in general most of them are bad

[distant mural]

Its overrated

[burnt pelican]

No its not lol

[distant mural]

It really is

[topaz axle]

I've been using the same Catachan sword I rolled from like a year ago until now

[distant mural]

Super duper overrated

[burnt pelican]

Bro what how is ds bad

[topaz axle]

wait nvm

[distant mural]

Bad hordeclear

[topaz axle]

I rolled that sword 3 years ago

[distant mural]

Only good against single targets

[burnt pelican]

Vets job isnt hordeclear its specials ranged gunners and mainly to well stay alive

[distant mural]

Theres just a lot better alternatives that a re more well roundet

[burnt pelican]

Vet is the easiest class to die with ingame rn

[distant mural]

Vet has very good melee and with p-sword u got insane hordeclear

[burnt pelican]

Dude 80% mobility amazing on elites and the duelist mark has i think 6 dashes?

Whats better?

Also amazing reach

[distant mural]

P-sword is by far the strongest vet weapon

[burnt pelican]

And parry is cheat button for ragers

[distant mural]

Or chainaxe

Or just the knife

I preferred vet and zealot without duelling sword.

Good times

[burnt pelican]

I dont like ds cuz its too strong doesnt mean its not op

[distant mural]

Its good against crushers but people really praise it too much its a one trick pony.

And once youre alone and gotta clutch it the toothpick will do you no good

[burnt pelican]

Dueling is the best weapon to learn darktide with

Def level it

[distant mural]

Best weapon to build bad habits

Crutch weapon

[burnt pelican]

Dude first u say u run crucian roulette now its saying ds is bad

[topaz axle]

but my Catachan...

[burnt pelican]

Like sure run what u like but dont spread misinformation

[distant mural]

Im not saying its bad im saying its overrated and i gave u my reason to pick crucian

Lol get a grip

Misinformation my ass

[burnt pelican]

It isnt overrated dude. Its straight up busted compared to other vets melee

[distant mural]

No

[mystic glade]

i wouldn't suggest that

[distant mural]

Dont try it hes just regurgatimg what he heard people say is „best“

[mystic glade]

tac axe will give you the best fundamentals

[midnight wyvern]

just start with power sword

[mystic glade]

the more powerful the weapon you are playing with, the longer it will take to improve, if you are able to perform in h40 with crusher, taxe, shock maul etc, you are going to be a monster when you play ds4

[dry cloak]

Its not. It builds a lot of bad habits

[burnt pelican]

I get that but its still power wise the strongest

[distant mural]

No its not

[mystic glade]

by far yeah

[distant mural]

Not at all

[dry cloak]

Nah its powersword

[midnight wyvern]

duelling sword?

nah lmao

power sword is king

[burnt pelican]

Depends on difficulty again

[midnight wyvern]

no

unless you want speed on uprising

in which case I guess

but also

[dry cloak]

We can summon bath and he will tell us

[midnight wyvern]

[burnt pelican]

Thats a fact dude not debatable different diffs have different good weapons

[distant mural]

But…But…tanner lindberg said so…so it must be true.

[midnight wyvern]

no

[topaz axle]

I THINK ALL THE WEAPONS ARE COOL ACTUALLY

[burnt pelican]

They are some are just better than others

Thats it

[dry cloak]

Everything is auric viablr

[midnight wyvern]

DUWUlIng SORD is OP brothers

[dry cloak]

Because it is

[burnt pelican]

Thats not what we are discussing

Obviously it is

[dry cloak]

The thing is people think that if it cant kill carapace its trash

[distant mural]

Thats what you just started discussing tho implying that the difficoulty changes how good a weapon is.

[topaz axle]

If I were to level powersword what stats would I be looking for btw

[midnight wyvern]

dump cleave targets

[distant mural]

Dump mobility

[dry cloak]

Rumbler is inversely good with diffs

[turbid ibex]

Dump the sword

[distant mural]

Its usually mobility or defence dump on all weapons

But on power sword you can also dump power output i think

Because the dodges are quite bad now and you might want the mobility

[distant mural]

Just because of lacking enemy density

[burnt pelican]

Again depends on difficulty

[distant mural]

Its atill the same power

[dry cloak]

Yes

[distant mural]

But then again i prolly dont even needy ranged on that diff.

[dry cloak]

Most people here play damnation and up

[burnt pelican]

True

If ur not doing high havoc it doesnt matter everything is good

And even there u can still run anything if ur good enough

[distant mural]

If youre Ainz yeah

[dry cloak]

Or hamdol

Or kejetok

[burnt pelican]

Can confirm ive played with most of them

They are cooked

[distant mural]

Or generally unemployed.(im joking)

[pseudo fiber]

Cooked means bad

[burnt pelican]

Does it

[bleak oasis]

Veterans finally going back to the trenches in the new upcoming map

[burnt pelican]

Im illiterate i guess idk

I always thought hes cooked means hes very good

[mortal aspen]

bro is cooking = good
bro is cooked = bad

zoomology 101

[burnt pelican]

Oooooh

Godamn

[bleak oasis]

I'm born a decade too early to understand these new terms

[mystic glade]

adjective = bad, verb = good

[mortal aspen]

deadass fr

[burnt pelican]

Dude i had to get coached by ainz yesterday to understand the movetechs u were pulling off

U speak the fatshark tongue

[midnight wyvern]

on gpd

i gifve uo

up

[burnt pelican]

Now I understand why u guys were questioning shroudfield

[rotund tartan]

power sword is miles behind duelling sword

[mystic glade]

yeah but stay away from psyker if you wish to improve, just spam zealot with crusher into h40 and you can become goated in ⅓ of the time it took others

[burnt pelican]

Yeah very good point I mainly need to get used to rotten armour poison cloud

I struggle to kite with it

[pseudo fiber]

Miles? No

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[burnt pelican]

Isnt power sword mainly used for mixed hordes

[midnight wyvern]

power sword is used to kill the heretic, purge the mutant and other things

it kills everything

[mystic glade]

its really good but it doesnt compare to duelling sword

[midnight wyvern]

much better than DS

[burnt pelican]

Outside havoc idk maybe?

Havoc shits crushers for breakfast

[rotund tartan]

i can see it being better than DS if you play really passively and just wait for the enemies to fall over in front of you then attacking them, but ds4's mobility and ease of use makes it so much better than power sword

[burnt pelican]

Plus rotten armour increases their spawns as well

[midnight wyvern]

tell me you dont use power sword without telling me you don't use power sword:

[rotund tartan]

the best single target combo is also stamina hungry and the power sword sucks at blocking

[frigid shuttle]

he probably isn't cancelling activation

[burnt pelican]

R u havoc 40 to even debate this

[pseudo fiber]

Yes it does lmfao

Both PS and DS are equally stupid

[turbid ibex]

Isnt pord combo just activate into 3 lights

[rotund tartan]

mk6 is activate into push attack light light

[midnight wyvern]

push attack into light light, or PA - L reset

[mystic glade]

no, mobility is king in darktide, guess what ps doesnt have

[midnight wyvern]

the light attack does like 4k+ to crushers lol

[burnt pelican]

Guys u have to understand just because you like something more doesnt mean its the best in the game i dont like ds myself

[midnight wyvern]

push*

[burnt pelican]

But it is very strong regardless of how i feel

[rotund tartan]

you're also almost immobile while activating it, which you have to do over and over every 3 swings

[midnight wyvern]

skill issue

[rotund tartan]

not sure what a fact has to do with skill but oh well

clearing h40 with both ds4 and power sword is braindead easy and boring

[burnt pelican]

Power sword is good outside of mobility

[rotund tartan]

its just a fact that the power sword's mobility is bad

[burnt pelican]

Yeap

[midnight wyvern]

it can be reactivated mid combo, barely losing time attacking, plus you can be dodging, dunno why you wouldn't want to be

[burnt pelican]

Same with falchion

[turbid ibex]

Mobility is literally the only downside of power sword

[rotund tartan]

and it's a huge one

[pseudo fiber]

Falchion isn't good at anything

[sly orchid]

the mobility is extremely low yeah

[midnight wyvern]

DS clear on everything other than single target is abysmal dogshit

[rotund tartan]

the only downside of the ds4 is its horde clear, but you can sneeze at a horde in this game to clear it

[burnt pelican]

And special activation

[mystic glade]

insanely big downside

[rotund tartan]

even yam agrees with me

[rotund tartan]

so in other words the horde clear

[sly orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169036792360603700/1435071859111497850/GIFs_Shitposting__20251103_4.gif

[midnight wyvern]

actual cooked chat or they're just bad at baiting

[sly orchid]

going from taxe vet to powersword is a pretty big mobility gap you have to aclimate yourself

[turbid ibex]

Compared to how insane it is at literally everything else i dont think it matters that much

[midnight wyvern]

exactly, why need run when enemies are dead

[azure narwhal]

PS has less mobility and as for power up animation, block cancel exists on the mk6 activaton, this is also why you take cleave targets dump. Power sword is better at fighting packs of elites especially ragers where you are completely safe due to lights meltimg everything with 0 brain power

[burnt pelican]

Send proof and we can debate again cuz ur spilling nonsense if havoc is included

[broken scroll]

It's a pretty significant issue when mobility is the primary means of both survival and aggression in darktide

[rotund tartan]

again it fits a passive playstyle that the average auric/party finder player likes a lot, but once you get good at the game the ds4 can turn everything off

[burnt pelican]

If u say outside havoc sure