it's not good, but it can one shot an auric groaner, which falchion can't
#veteran-class
tall torrent
no, it's even worse than falchion's light atk pretty sure
it's the only weapon with worse base atks than falchion lol
broken scroll
i remember it having terrible cleave and stagger, but acceptable damage when unactivated
oh well whatever
fair shale
Oh bath, PS bleed killed something for me recently lol
Was a zerker with no health that I accidently swung at, bleed killed him in the power up anim
ocean idol
so he clearly was injured already/
but also why would you take bleed talent with power sword
broken scroll
but yeah, end of the day, the comparison to power sword is mostly irrelevant. The point is that by auto-deactivating, it actively punishes you for weapon juggling as melee vet is supposed to, and so it should have a small grace period before turning off. It would do a hell of a lot for the feel of the weapon, though not a huge amount for the performance
hybrid plover
but also why would you take bleed talent with power sword
because when you run sunder, while the cleave is signficantly increased, there's still the issue of cleave distribution affecting damage on the targets you can cleave
bleed circumvents that since it's not affected by that at all
and in large hordes, that actually matters a lot
and because some classes also synergize with having bleeding targets around, it's actually a decent support talent in that regard too
sharp epoch
but also why would you take bleed talent with power sword
because the other option is field improv which only helps team
tame lodge
but also why would you take bleed talent with power sword
The funny 44 cleave
hybrid flame
Is that a Thick44 reference?
surreal rune
holy shit vermintide has a lot of players
feral jetty
holy shit vermintide has a lot of players
free to keep does that 
also hi, hope yall are doin good
spark helm
holy shit vermintide has a lot of players
dapper coyote
DB WS belike
Also "on your toes" node (middle bottom of WS) literally gives you an absurdly comically strong Toughness regen
It so fucking strong holy shit
hollow ibex
It so fucking strong holy shit
it's good but potentially still lower toughness gen than something like O4B
easier proc condition though
dapper coyote
it's good but potentially still lower toughness gen than something like O4B
That shit is also amazing but 3s for straight up 20% ontop of 5% per kill? Hell yea brother
hollow ibex
yeh
it's very strong
and the cooldowns are separate
so you can proc both within like a second
and get 40% toughness
sharp epoch
nah i dont take damage
steep flower
nah i dont take damage
Grenades 
stuck gorge
nah he doesn’t have grenades
tall torrent
it's good but potentially still lower toughness gen than something like O4B
it's not, it outpaces OfB most of the time
because it's there when you need it
OfB is not as "immediate"
hollow ibex
it's not, it outpaces OfB most of the time
that's why i said potentially
because it completely depends on the situation
ocean shell
are smoke grenades worth it?
austere mica
In high end difficulties yes
hollow ibex
high havocs
hollow phoenix
Do blitzes work with Rending?
Specifically does Blitzes benefit from the Rending Strikes node?
random steppe
alright y'all.
i just finished Zealot penances, and i'm now going to be working on Veteran ones, please pray for me and my patience 😭🙏
hollow phoenix
I honestly find Zealot penances to be more tedious
random steppe
I honestly find Zealot penances to be more tedious
oho, they were. Between Shroudfield, and Blades of Faith, then having to do under 20 mins on Heresy with one wound? Yeah, it was a pain
then the setup for killing 40 stunned karkers in 10 seconds
hollow phoenix
then the setup for killing 40 stunned karkers in 10 seconds
That one is fairly easy
Stun grenade with the flamethrower that I’m blanking on the name of
With a crit build
random steppe
Once I figured out I was being a jackass it was for sure
Yep, i did eventually do purgation flamer
hollow phoenix
I think one of the harder Vet challenges is Make Every Shot Count
end a mission with no ammo left and 90% accuracy
hollow ibex
Do blitzes work with Rending?
yeah rending impacts blitzes
random steppe
I cheesed it by using the revolver lmao
THANK you for the idea
hollow phoenix
I remember back when we had to crab walk everywhere for the left capstone
random steppe
ugh that was. disgusting, yeah
random steppe
LMAO i keep it in TF2 personally
i'm lowkey kinda excited though, Zealot is very fun to play but I always enjoyed picking off heretics at range before they can so much as take a step
so looking forward to Vet 👉😎👉
hollow phoenix
Testing my new nade spam build
random steppe
that shit goes crazy on bosses
Tried a bit out today while waiting for Rolling Steel to spawn
dry cloak
then the setup for killing 40 stunned karkers in 10 seconds
If did not do it. Try #vox-lfg-lexicanum to find a group. Because other people stuns also count
lunar maple
What’s good for Chainsword blessings and perks ?
hollow ibex
What’s good for Chainsword blessings and perks ?
flakiac, and then shred/wrath
lunar maple
flakiac, and then shred/wrath
Flak and maniac?
hollow ibex
Flak and maniac?
yup
hollow ibex
shred's kinda chord's whole thing
carapace damage is just kinda mid no matter what you do
wrath's the best cleave blessing
brave turtle
chat
nvm
i was going to ask where build...
i need something tanky as hell because i can play perfectly but my whack wifi will always fuck me over
💔
hollow ibex
i need something tanky as hell because i can play perfectly but my whack wifi wi...
take the generic build here
and pick voice of command with duty and honor for your ult
that's about all you can do
brave turtle
take the generic build here
pretty much what im running but i have points into left tree for mag and ammo shit
because i run uhh
columnus infantry autogun
with pfalch (i dont have a good power sword yet)
hollow ibex
columnus infantry autogun
run vraks instead
vraks > agri > columnus
in terms of IAGs
brave turtle
rlly? i found that columnus had more dps
im kinda just using both for whatever cause they both can clear
hollow ibex
yup
brave turtle
i got them mixed
hollow ibex
that's the right combo
brave turtle
i do use vraks
hollow ibex
it used to be called columnus
brave turtle
i got them completely reversed
brave turtle
okay yeah
i use vraks
the firerate one
the main issue im having is i feel like im underperforming in high diff
like auric maels
hollow ibex
it just comes down to practicing more
brave turtle
like my gameplay i think is fine
brave turtle
i can no down damnation and no death auric depending on my net and if im not braindead in that particular mission
hollow ibex
those fundmanetal skills let you play aggressively safer
which in turn lets you do more damage
brave turtle
yeah i think im fine gameplay wise
oh
question
whats the blessings for pfalch
im usinggg
wrath and energy leakage right now
hollow ibex
i prefer cranial and wrath, but energy leakage is an ok second option too
cranial mandatory
hollow ibex
uhh drop wrath or leakage and replace with cranial, your choice really
i like wrath because it makes pfalch usable in hordes when you power off
brave turtle
i guess ill test both
brave turtle
yeahhh
💀
eh not like i cant re bless a bajillion times
so
ill try both combo
s
so how does cranial actually work
do both heat buildup negation and weakspot damage use the stacks?
cause thatd beeee
30% heat buildup reduction
which i probably kinda need i settled for the roll i have which is 60 heat management
hollow ibex
yup
brave turtle
ok that sounds great actually
formerly i read it as its just a base -6% and the weakspot damage stacked
reading comprehension diff i guess
hollow ibex
cara unyielding, power cycler + brumentum/sunder
brave turtle
ok
ok one last thing im sorry
is that the same as should be on pfalch?
perks i mean
carapace unyielding?
hollow ibex
hmm yeah i think that's what i run on pfalch
feral jetty
build talk already happening!
hollow ibex
cara unyielding
brave turtle
cool
hollow ibex
it's a safe bet
brave turtle
ok peak
feral jetty
the the mark 3 or 6 better on the power sword yall think?
hollow ibex
6 is flat out superior
feral jetty
kk ty
hollow ibex
3 isn't bad because it's still a PS at the end of the day
feral jetty
any suggestions for perks on it?
hollow ibex
cara unyielding
hollow ibex
pc4 + sunder/brumentum
feral jetty
ta
perks/blessings on plasma? 
(sorry for the questions I haven't played vet in forever)
hollow ibex
feral jetty
ocean idol
is mercy killing knife good on vet or nah?
ocean idol
because when you run sunder, while the cleave is signficantly increased, there's...
i thought power recycler and slaught were only blessings for ps
hybrid plover
i thought power recycler and slaught were only blessings for ps
not slaughterer. it doesn't do nearly as much as sunder or bromentum
never has
also mercy killer knife is
ocean idol
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
hybrid plover
okay
hybrid plover
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
it's been this way for a long time lol
pseudo fiber
is mercy killing knife good on vet or nah?
You can use it with serrated blade but like its
Fine
I ghess
hybrid plover
flesh tearer is just better honestly
fresh spire
decimator vs bm on rashad? this just for auric
dry cloak
Bm and decimator
ocean idol
flesh tearer is just better honestly
i use it on zealot
don't think v et has enough crit chance
hybrid plover
don't think v et has enough crit chance
serrated enables flesh tearer to be way more consistent
ocean idol
https://imgur.com/t9uJDUa
but what about killing targets that actually matter, elites?
ocean idol
serrated enables flesh tearer to be way more consistent
?
hybrid plover
brother it really doesn't need any more help in that regard at all
slow sky
but what about killing targets that actually matter, elites?
power sword does that with bm too
hybrid plover
ps is already overtuned as is
slow sky
hell
heavy sword does the exact same thing with bm
its why you take deathblow instead of rampage
ocean idol
so BM or Sunder?
slow sky
yeah
ocean idol
BUT WHICH
dapper coyote
PSwords?
gentle lake
6 or 7
pseudo fiber
If you're doing mk3 sunder
If you're doing mk6 then bm
dapper coyote
slow sky
sunder is better for extremely dense armored elites or havoc
bm is better for everything else
both extend your cleave via their own methods
distant mural
Or brumentum
ocean idol
So even vet wants to use mk6 knife, right?
pseudo fiber
Ye
distant mural
I use the stabby knife
pseudo fiber
Honestly both knives are good
ocean idol
If you're doing mk3 sunder
If you're doing mk6 then bm
why would i want to use mk3 though
pseudo fiber
why would i want to use mk3 though
Horizontal heavies or idk
You hate yourself?
ocean idol
mk6 has diagonal heavies, which are pretty much same as horizontal
distant mural
No
One is strikedown one has vanguard attacks
The vaguard will bounce off carapace
sullen jackal
ain't the difference push attacks
ocean idol
Yeah, but after pa there is strikedown light for mk6
mk3 has instead shitty vanguard sweep
hmmm, bleeding works really nice even on crushers if you stack some uncanny
I am not sure at this point if OVerwatch worth having
distant mural
they are both vanguards
No
Completely different moveset
One has only strikedowns on heavys
And vaguards on light while the other is mixed up
ocean idol
One has only strikedowns on heavys
there is no heavy strikedown, at least in the inspection menu
damn i forgot how enjoyable double shotty with ws
also 1/5-1/6 portion of damage is bleed, which is not bad i think?
i also had smokes
so should mk6 knife be used as heavy-heavy-light-heavy-light.... combo for hordes?
or lights work just fine?
slow sky
long h40 clutch
then the game decides i need to clutch it again later with 1hp against a red sword captain
so yea
ocean idol
Double barrel + shovel seems like a weird combo to me
slow sky
Double barrel + shovel seems like a weird combo to me
it is one of the best builds in the entire game
slow sky
better dodges to allow for safer aggression
stab for better control
no need to activate, just swing, important for getting quick stacks
uncanny for fletchette
fair shale
Alright, ty
pseudo fiber
It's so good
fair shale
Always liked shovel, felt safe ngl
slow sky
Always liked shovel, felt safe ngl
its good and safe in every situation which is important when you heavily lean ensuring melee kills to enable most of the build
fair shale
It always felt like a consistent all around melee to me that people kept saying was meh but ig I wasn't insane
fair shale
Subjective, personal taste.
silver patrol
it is one of the best builds in the entire game
do you have the build somewhere
fair shale
Isnt it the pretty standard WS vet layout with Shovel and DB? I could be insane here.
silver patrol
i dunno, never did a double barrel build
fair shale
Ik its a WS build
calm shard
it is one of the best builds in the entire game
I prefer knife for it but yeah it is absurd
actual competition to inferno psyker if you're ontop of your game
ocean idol
actual competition to inferno psyker if you're ontop of your game
hard to deal with far away specials though
Also what grenades goes with this build/
and utl
silver patrol
cole is using VoC for ult
and krak i think?
i don't really remember the grenade icons
slow sky
Also what grenades goes with this build/
kraks to remove bulwarks/crushers blocking ideal db lineups, and also extra boss damage if you wanna toss 1-2
calm shard
hard to deal with far away specials though
uh
flechette bleed
and DB has pretty fat minimum pellet damage
slow sky
brave turtle
long h40 clutch
then the game decides i need to clutch it again later with 1hp a...
solo my havoc games for me so i can get havoc armor
😄
fair shale
Tbh the armor ain't even that bad
slow sky
brave turtle
ts peak
slow sky
solo my havoc games for me so i can get havoc armor
you just need to clear a havoc 25+ mission, doesnt have to be yours and you dont have to reach that rank
everything else is just playing it week to week and completing any rank mission, could be 1-10 which is literally malice
brave turtle
i dont have a group
fair shale
I got the assists cause I stumbled into a havoc 1 lobby
Played with them till 20 one day
You'll tbh get the havoc armor by being consistent
slow sky
i dont have a group
party finder typically has a few lobbies as long as its not like 2-7 am or something in your region
brave turtle
unfortunately thats my active time
is 2-7 am in my region
💔
and my duo is british
fair shale
Nah bro 2-7am havoc is lit
fair shale
Theres always havoc for me late at night but east coast
fair shale
Yeah man I normally get games all night tbh
brave turtle
auric maelstrom get 4 ppl like immediately
slow sky
Nah bro 2-7am havoc is lit
yeah that was literally a 4am havoc game
brave turtle
havoc? 0
slow sky
lmao
brave turtle
genuinely no parties
fair shale
yeah that was literally a 4am havoc game
You get it
slow sky
though it took like 10 minutes to get people to even request into my 40
slow sky
i got off lmao
we lost that game too
brave turtle
umazing
slow sky
its 5 am man and those games are 40-50 min
brave turtle
true
fair shale
Could also play Verm tbh
fair shale
Im ngl DT felt so easy after 3 days of Cata Verm
brave turtle
its 5 am man and those games are 40-50 min
gonna be on tomorrow?
or well
technically today i guess
brave turtle
Im ngl DT felt so easy after 3 days of Cata Verm
to me auric maelstrom is harder than cata verm
slow sky
bro i suck dogshit at verm 
fair shale
Auric Maelstrom is brain off warm up mode to me
brave turtle
helll nah
fair shale
bro i suck dogshit at verm <:fumble:918034053586894868>
Its a mentality tweak tbh
fair shale
You never realize how okay DT makes you with being hit until you play Verm and go "wait I have no toughness"
Lmfao yup
slow sky
no my issue with verm is how easy it is to just get hit by an attack you very much dodged, or an attack that had no backstab cue/a cue that played after it hit
fair shale
What talent is in your first slot for saltz?
tacit hearth
fair shale
Your thp gen feels low
slow sky
you cant just have it be super punishing then make it super easy for stuff to just not care about your defense
fair shale
Yeah the backstab sound is new to DT
slow sky
Yeah the backstab sound is new to DT
nah its in verm
fair shale
It definitely is not as noticeable then
slow sky
youre right
turbid ibex
Your thp gen feels low
Does thp even work if youre full hp?
fair shale
DT backstab sound is like a pavlovian dodge trigger
turbid ibex
I havent played vt2 in forever so i have no idea
fair shale
Does thp even work if youre full hp?
No
slow sky
What talent is in your first slot for saltz?
i dont remember
fair shale
Id love to know why Verm rapier feels so good and DT DS feels so awful and they're almost the same weapon
slow sky
heres the one that really got my ass tweakin tho
i see the patrol ahead, realize the saltz aggroed it, so i pushed it
suddenly im gridlocked and i turn around only to find enemies that werent anywhere there before strategically position to block any movement i could make
brave turtle
isnt ds good
slow sky
isnt ds good
its stupidly good but its not fun to play
fair shale
Nothing in DT scares me like Storm Vermin scare me
brave turtle
oh yeah
i play
psword and pfalch
its also not fun to play eyah
ds i eman
ps feels pretty good but i need to learn like
the mechanic
of charging
fair shale
heres the one that really got my ass tweakin tho
i see the patrol ahead, realize...
I legit have no idea where that slave rat came from
brave turtle
and how many hits you even get
turbid ibex
and how many hits you even get
3 with power cycler
brave turtle
3 heavies?
turbid ibex
3 attacks
fair shale
Aye
turbid ibex
If you have level 4 power cycler blessing its always 3
fair shale
Im really glad verm went f2keep tbh, got me to reinstall it.
fair shale
Forgot why I ever stopped playing it
brave turtle
definitely make note of nthat
fair shale
For darktide of all things
brave turtle
dt is cooler than verm imo
slow sky
I legit have no idea where that slave rat came from
SEE WHAT I MEAN
fair shale
Verm has the benefit of way more time in the oven
slow sky
Verm has the benefit of way more time in the oven
you will never know how true this actually is
brave turtle
hmm
turbid ibex
Verm has the benefit of way more time in the oven
And funny rats
fair shale
you will never know how true this actually is
I might tbh. DT reminds me of verm 2 before it had actual time.
Cause verm 2 was not the game it is now 3 years into release
fair shale
Yes, auric is on the mission board. Havoc has a lfg system.
pseudo fiber
no my issue with verm is how easy it is to just get hit by an attack you very mu...
Because dodging sucks in verm. It's a harsh lesson from DT. They're inverses you want to block in VT but dodge in DT. It always fucks me up when I switch between them
fair shale
Because dodging sucks in verm. It's a harsh lesson from DT. They're inverses you...
Verm has even more melee emphasis tbh
Like dt normally only asks you to dodge and swing and learn some combos
Block Cost Reduction is meta in verm
pseudo fiber
Mmhmm
slow sky
Because dodging sucks in verm. It's a harsh lesson from DT. They're inverses you...
see ive never found the balance of blocking and dodging in verm
ocean idol
ok so i am doing havoc 40
and holy shit
peopel actually enjoy it?
it is not difficult
just tedious
fair shale
see ive never found the balance of blocking and dodging in verm
I firmly believe in time you will
slow sky
peopel actually enjoy it?
yeah when you use fun builds
slow sky
I firmly believe in time you will
ocean idol
nah, tedium gets to me
pseudo fiber
Peak verm
fair shale
What it felt like the 3 months they left dogs on in DT
pseudo fiber
see ive never found the balance of blocking and dodging in verm
You will in time. You'll be a VT2 god gamer as well as a DT one
ocean idol
the tedious part is having to retreat all the time
brave turtle
"the skill expression in this game is so high"
pseudo fiber
Can't wait to see coles twitch spawn modded cata runs
ocean idol
so you making progress very slowly
slow sky
You will in time. You'll be a VT2 god gamer as well as a DT one
my brain moves faster than verm moves and i blame darktide
brave turtle
so you making progress very slowly
tm8s dont seem to understand that even in auric mael
fair shale
Verm is defo a lil slower
brave turtle
and its not even that hard
brave turtle
they just get grouped up on and you lowk just sitting there alone until you can clear to res
slow sky
this is me booting up darktide yet again
i love my flashing colors and sliding and sprinting
ocean idol
tm8s dont seem to understand that even in auric mael
you don't hav e to do that in auric
brave turtle
you don't hav e to do that in auric
my tm8s do
ocean idol
hardest part of havoc for me was to learn that you do need to retreat sometimes
fair shale
Darktide really does have little to no downtime in it tbh
Like the higher in diffs you go
brave turtle
most of the time i get failed missions is because the team pushed too far
fair shale
Higher havocs it's just endless
brave turtle
and brought like 40 hordes together and like 7 monsters
ocean idol
Problem is not endless, problem is probably specifically rotten armor
pseudo fiber
i love my flashing colors and sliding and sprinting
I miss sprinting so bad in vermintide hahah
ocean idol
because you CANNOT push through these massives waves of carapace
fair shale
https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-pay-attention-jingle-jangle-keys-stay-focused-...
Kinda yeah lmfao, you get 3 seconds to let your brain wander and the Walmart twins and a horde are here again
ocean idol
also too many bosses spawn
fair shale
Tbh I'm in a weird state in DT
Where auric Maelstrom is way too easy
But I cannot get out of havoc 30 for the life of me
I genuinely feel like a static would change this
slow sky
auric mael too easy
dont wanna sweat all the time in h40s
no median difficulty to reliably play
fair shale
Yeah there's no happy middle ground
ocean idol
I feel barely any diff between havoc 27+ and 40
slow sky
because the middleground was powercrept already
fair shale
I feel barely any diff between havoc 27+ and 40
Oh, it's not the game difficulty
To be blunt
Its
ocean idol
May be you played the game too much
fair shale
"I cannot literally save the team from a death spiral"
I'm good enough to pull my weight
slow sky
yeah ive joined some random 25-29s and they can be rough
slow sky
cuz its literally just you carrying the weight
fair shale
Havoc 20-29 feels like gambling
fair shale
Havoc 20-29 feels like gambling
The quality of teammates is so all over the place
ocean idol
literally gets stronger with increased peril generation
while every other class gets nerfed
slow sky
psyker is #1 cuz theyre just that fucking broken
slow sky
vet with that double barrel build?
clears psykers damage, and barely worries about ammo
pseudo fiber
psyker is #1 cuz theyre just that fucking broken
But Cole
The mutants in the steam forums said this
fair shale
Tbh I think id rather have an arb than an og rn
At least
The average arb vs the average og
slow sky
id rather have an ogryn than arbites nowadays most of the time
mostly cuz most arby players definitely learned how to use a keyboard this morning
brave turtle
id rather have an ogryn than arbites nowadays most of the time
mostly cuz most a...
🔥
fair shale
id rather have an ogryn than arbites nowadays most of the time
mostly cuz most a...
Be real with you? Both of them feel like this.
silver patrol
hey that's me
fair shale
Like for as much as people go "zealot bad zealot bad"
brave turtle
until i get havoc-forged
fair shale
Id rayher have a zealot than an arb or an og
brave turtle
is zealot actually that bad
fair shale
I'd rather have 2 zealots than either
fair shale
is zealot actually that bad
Imo it's a little worse off than the other classes but people blow it way out of proportion
ocean idol
vet with that double barrel build?
clears psykers damage, and barely worries abo...
I came up with that build ages ago, did not know someone else figured it is good
But i had no idea it is that good
ocean idol
https://tenor.com/view/sora-ai-ai-dog-sora-ai-dog-dog-ai-ai-gif-1966252135688010...
i hate this gif
but it also reminds me of Red Faction game
gotta play it
still no one did destructibility of enviorment better
which is a ashame
ocean idol
Cleave on crits + flechetter, right?
ocean idol
wtf is mushroom nose cat
what makes shovel good
just looking at it makes me vomit
it is ont a weapon, it is a tool
watch me getting new weapon released, and it is a drill
or may be
mystic glade
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/ho...
is it really worth it?
ocean idol
pliers?
toxic reef
uncanny makes most things good
fair shale
Tbh everytime I get mushrooms on pizza they way overload that mf with mushrooms
ocean idol
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/ho...
Why serrated blade?
brave turtle
but it also reminds me of Red Faction game
guerilla 🔥
toxic reef
free bleeds
fair shale
Pathing
ocean idol
als ono Precision strikes?
fair shale
Stacks with flechette too
slow sky
Why serrated blade?
shovel attacks fast, and has good cleave (spreads across hordes easily), and has uncanny, and also can sustain/expand upon fletch stacks
ancient path
The mutants in the steam forums said this
we can safely nuke steam forums. its ok
slow sky
is it really worth it?
pizza
brave turtle
chat is recon lasgun good fr
brave turtle
it looks like itd have good ammo economy if you use shock trooper
slow sky
its a low skill, low risk, easy to use weapon and it generally reflects that in the reward
its not bad by any means, but its not stellar
brave turtle
its more accurate than the vraks iag it seems
slow sky
its very easy to get all the value you can out of it
ocean idol
has shit finesse though
slow sky
yeah all of its damage comes from a 50/50 of sheer volume of bullets, and infernus
brave turtle
is recon better than infantry
hybrid plover
is recon better than infantry
it is not even close unfortunately
and it's not even about recon just being better in raw killing potential
but more that infantry just feels like utter ass to shoot
tame lodge
is recon better than infantry
Infantry Lasgun? Yeah
Infantry Autogun? No
brave turtle
mega high ammo
hybrid plover
it needs a serious QoL adjustment to its feel
ocean idol
but more that infantry just feels like utter ass to shoot
nah, i like it sometimes
brave turtle
i feel like it should have no recoil
ocean idol
with marksman build
brave turtle
it doesnt
hybrid plover
nah, i like it sometimes
doesn't mean it's good
cuz honestly it just isn't right now
brave turtle
my top 3 is iag recon las and boltgun
slow sky
the infantry lasgun has decent damage but the gun waterboards you every time you dare to try to land that damage
ocean idol
which iag
pseudo fiber
the infantry lasgun has decent damage but the gun waterboards you every time you...
Cole who told the devs to nerf it for shits and giggles
brave turtle
high firerate one
hybrid plover
second you even dare to try and engage something beyond 30 meters with any of the ilas guns and OOPS
slow sky
Cole who told the devs to nerf it for shits and giggles
i have a video for when we are allowed to post things
just you wait (unrelated to the inflas)
pseudo fiber
i have a video for when we are allowed to post things
just you wait (unrelated t...
Can't wait
hybrid plover
the reverse damage falloff in theory should not be an issue
slow sky
it made sense in the combat sandbox at launch
but the game got so powercrept everything is basically close quarters now due to elite density
hybrid plover
but game in its current state is just not designed around it
ocean idol
Also why toughness grace period exists
game is so different without it
ranged enemeis actually dangerous and force you to use cover
fair shale
Ilas made a lot of sense in the "vet needs to be the person killing shooters" meta and like exactly no other point in the game ime
hybrid plover
and ilas particularly is just a weird case where you don't want to use it at close range and yet, because of its awkward recoil and wobble, it's also not really great at long range either
it just doesn't make sense as it currently stands
ocean idol
Also i would not even consider auric main game mode tbh, even though i basically only play it and now also havoc
silver patrol
when the semi automatic lasgun has more recoil than a fully automatic one
ocean idol
And lasgun is fine even on auric
silver patrol
or any recoil at all really
mighty anvil
Hey i'm a returning player been gone for about 4 months, I heard vet got buffed
ocean idol
and even more so on the diff below auric
hybrid plover
anything is fine on auric tbf
mighty anvil
is Plasma gun still meta?
fair shale
Recon las has literally no feeling and Ilas kicks worse than some of the 8mm round wire stock guns we have
brave turtle
plasma gun 💔
fair shale
Tbh I think it's on the lower end of meta rn
brave turtle
whats the meta tho
hybrid plover
real meta is double barrel ws 
mighty anvil
Last I played the crutch build was Plasma Gun + Devil Sword
fair shale
DB Shovel is probably the meta vet set up tbh
brave turtle
i see
mighty anvil
and yellow health. Did that change?
fair shale
it ever was meta/??
Ime no
fair shale
I've literally never seen the DClaw reccomended as anything but a for fun weapon
brave turtle
d claw isnt even that fun
mighty anvil
im probably misnaming the sword
pseudo fiber
I've literally never seen the DClaw reccomended as anything but a for fun weapon
Even that's a stretch
brave turtle
cause it doesnt kill anything
slow sky
never using db shovel tbh
you will submit in due time
brave turtle
you will submit in due time
maybe when i tryhard havoc
which will either be never or when i get frustrated enough at teeammates
fair shale
Tbh I run Combat Shotgun+whatever melee weapon I'm vibing with on vet rn and it works well enough for me
mighty anvil
Dueling Sword* not devil sword lol
fair shale
Rn its combat shotgun+tac axe
brave turtle
oh dueling sword
hybrid plover
tbf vet "meta" is honestly kind of flexible right now
brave turtle
umazing
mighty anvil
Rn its combat shotgun+tac axe
!!
brave turtle
tbf vet "meta" is honestly kind of flexible right now
i use psword iag
slow sky
maybe when i tryhard havoc
Its pretty fun in auric too tbh
fair shale
I'm ngl PS/DS as a loadout has done irreparable damage to the vet community imo
azure narwhal
should i keep sticking to WS for my mkVIII inf autogun and my MkXII recon las or is it worth it to try MMF for either?
fair shale
So many little tanner clones running around with PS/DS and dying first
slow sky
well i can do auric fine
Yeah but
Fun build
Yippee
brave turtle
well
hybrid plover
i have met only one (1) plasma dueling sword vet
hybrid plover
that is actually really good in my havoc times
mighty anvil
IS VoC still the popular build?
brave turtle
yes
fair shale
i have met only *one* (1) plasma dueling sword vet
I keep getting these fucks in havoc 20s and you have to actually drag them through the game
turbid ibex
should i keep sticking to WS for my mkVIII inf autogun and my MkXII recon las or...
Recon has shit finesse scaling so mmf doesnt help much
azure narwhal
IS VoC still the popular build?
Exec stance got a boost in popularity ever since the update tbh
hybrid plover
Exec stance got a boost in popularity ever since the update tbh
melee exe stance is goated
mighty anvil
Exec stance got a boost in popularity ever since the update tbh
is hellbore easier to play now?
azure narwhal
Recon has shit finesse scaling so mmf doesnt help much
guessed so. i think i'll leave mmf just to my helbore
fair shale
And you just clocked into your overnight in the ER
fair shale
melee exe stance is goated
I'm so glad ES works with melee noe
azure narwhal
is hellbore easier to play now?
i mean, by that metric, everything is easier to play because vet just got, better
slow sky
melee exe stance is goated
I love playing melee vet with an fov of 2
turbid ibex
Exec stance got a boost in popularity ever since the update tbh
The 10% toughness per second is insane yeah
fair shale
Helbore is hard by virtue of requiring actual aim imo, it was never that bad
tepid otter
What mark people use on the Vig Auto
azure narwhal
melee exe stance is goated
i've played with shout for so long yet it changed my mind this patch
fair shale
What mark people use on the Vig Auto
I use 3 round burst
slow sky
The 10% toughness per second is insane yeah
Then tunnel vision in mmf bumps that up by 60%
fair shale
I think 3 round is very standard
tepid otter
I use 3 round burst
Which mark is that
hybrid plover
I love playing melee vet with an fov of 2
petition for fatshark to make setting to cancel fov change for exe stance
azure narwhal
I love playing melee vet with an fov of 2
yknow now that you say it yourself. have people made mods to disable such effects?
hybrid plover
pls
hybrid plover
yknow now that you say it yourself. have people made mods to disable such effect...
yes
fair shale
Which mark is that
Gun to head I'd say columnus but I tbh could not tell you
slow sky
yknow now that you say it yourself. have people made mods to disable such effect...
Yeah but im a lazy fuck
hybrid plover
but it shouldn't even require a mod to begin with
tepid otter
Gun to head I'd say columnus but I tbh could not tell you
Huh?
hybrid plover
but i 1000% recommend it
turbid ibex
VoC getting giganerfed also helped with exestance's return to popularity
mighty anvil
VoC getting giganerfed also helped with exestance's return to popularity
it got nerfed????
fair shale
I legit only remember guns by their forgeworld manufacturer in this game
Its why I call the recon the accatran
hybrid plover
"giganerfed"
it aint that bad
turbid ibex
Though VoC is still a good pick if you can time it well
mighty anvil
I always wanted to roleplay an exe stance helbore build
fair shale
VoC not being haha I'm pressing F off cooldown is healthy
hybrid plover
it is still very powerful
mighty anvil
But VoC IAG was just so much easier.
turbid ibex
"giganerfed"
it aint that bad
In comparison to pre-rework it was one but yeah its still a good pick
mighty anvil
This is really good news to hear
hybrid plover
you should now
slow sky
Yes
hybrid plover
VoC aint what it used to be
turbid ibex
it got nerfed????
TA nerf and duration nerf
fair shale
I dont time it but I don't just press f off cooldown cause I can now
brave turtle
well you can
hybrid plover
Good
brave turtle
but
mighty anvil
whats the tech for Psword again, i forgot wasn't it like PA -> Weapon Special? to like animation cancel or something
turbid ibex
well you can
Nope
thorn lark
ngl I am loving exhil takedown more and more
hybrid plover
no like you seriously cannot just spam it like you used to anymore
fair shale
It is tbh my favorite vet toughness perk
turbid ibex
Literally impossible to have 100% uptime on VoC gold toughness now
hybrid plover
you are actively screwing yourself if you just press f constantly
fair shale
Literally impossible to have 100% uptime on VoC gold toughness now
The fact it was ever possible is ??? Tbf
turbid ibex
The fact it was ever possible is ??? Tbf
True
tame lodge
is Plasma gun still meta?
One of them
There's plenty of ranged choices nowadays
fair shale
Tbh
You can run almost whatever you want in vet ime
As long as it isn't Ilas or Recon and even then I just dislike recon cause of the stigma recon vets have
hybrid plover
if i'll be honest
brave turtle
dont be
hybrid plover
why plasma when you can have agri cs
brave turtle
what is cs
fair shale
I love agri cs so much
turbid ibex
As long as it isn't Ilas or Recon and even then I just dislike recon cause of th...
How about you stigma balls
hybrid plover
i'm not even trolling
brave turtle
combat shotty?
fair shale
Combat Shotgun
brave turtle
its the only gun i dont have a groll for
hybrid plover
it's so good rn
turbid ibex
why plasma when you can have agri cs
Rapid fire and absurd cleave
brave turtle
its all dbs
fair shale
it's so good rn
Agri CS being this good on vet is why I dropped Arb tbh.
tame lodge
It's most likely going to come down to cost benefit
fair shale
Agri CS on Vet will consistently one shot a lot of things even without slug ime
brave turtle
db does that too
fair shale
its all dbs
Is sign
hybrid plover
Agri CS on Vet will consistently one shot a lot of things even without slug ime
i literally only use the slug for bulwarks
fair shale
i literally only use the slug for bulwarks
I keep it loaded and simply hit things in the head.
Gunners? Slug snipe. Bombers? Slug snipe.
Trappers? You guessed it. Slug.
hybrid plover
It still does good work against those even without the slug
fair shale
Yeah but slug retains the one shot across long gaps
hybrid plover
tru
hybrid plover
i just rarely feel the need for it in the engagements i use it in
calm shard
Agri CS on Vet will consistently one shot a lot of things even without slug ime
yeah like all the usual priority targets for guns
fair shale
To fuck with me personally in a targeted effort
hybrid plover
bulwarks being like
brave turtle
ive been matchmaking this whole time btw
brave turtle
for havoc
calm shard
zarona regular shell will one shot a few more things like Bulwarks, Reapers, and Maulers in Aurics
hybrid plover
the main exception because they open shields
fair shale
i just rarely feel the need for it in the engagements i use it in
Tbh for me it just guarantees the one tap on a lot of things
brave turtle
of people
fair shale
So I utilize it a lot
calm shard
but then agri slug shell can still one shot havoc 40 maulers
fair shale
Tbh the slug opening bulwarks is simply the cherry on top for me
thorn lark
i like the accatran :/
calm shard
zarona just has slightly more consistent 1-2 shots in havoc on the usual priority targets
and special shell which kills trash enemies and shotgunners real good
fair shale
i like the accatran :/
Its my favorite lasgun cause of lore tbh
hybrid plover
i actually
thorn lark
I have been burning waves of bullwarks like it's a bunker in Normandy
fair shale
Elysians are one of my favorite regiments, by a mile
thorn lark
I mean the shotgun
hybrid plover
have been enjoying accatran with scattershot and flechette a lot recently
fair shale
I mean the shotgun
My bad
thorn lark
but i have been guilty of burning a lot of stuff with the recon too
calm shard
have been enjoying accatran with scattershot and flechette a lot recently
pus-hardened skin gun
ranged damage resistance?
eat this bleed+burn idiot
fair shale
Im so happy combat shotgun is good now
turbid ibex
eat this bleed+burn *idiot*
Blurn
turbid ibex
Get blurned
thorn lark
actually this is the now the only gun I use on arbites and zealot
vet it's half bolter half cs
ocean idol
so should mk6 heavies be used for hordes?
calm shard
When DT launched i wanted to run vet CS
it was the infantry lasgun's world and the other guns were just living in it
thorn lark
and psyker it's 80% laspistol and 20% cs
hybrid plover
so should mk6 heavies be used for hordes?
mk6 what exactly
fair shale
it was the infantry lasgun's world and the other guns were just living in it
Tbh really early on i went to bolter then I went to Agrip IAG cause it was bolter with more ammo econ
If you could aim
ocean idol
mk6 what exactly
knoife
ocean idol
remind me of wombat extented
brave turtle
its not great
hybrid plover
mk6 is a bit of a special case where you have to mix up your moveset for good results
brave turtle
i was an agripinaa iager
thorn lark
agrip is mk1?
brave turtle
until i found the
fair shale
its not great
I'll be the judge of that
brave turtle
vraks...
fair shale
agrip is mk1?
Yes
calm shard
agripinaa IAG is still good yeah
fair shale
The "one tap it" IAG
brave turtle
ive become red holyyyy
fair shale
The "aim for heads" IAG
hybrid plover
or you can just run serrated flesh and not give a shit
calm shard
trades some of the DPS for a hell of a lot better range
fair shale
It felt good cause I felt like it rewarded skilled gameplay
brave turtle
It felt good cause I felt like it rewarded skilled gameplay
im not skilled i magdump specials
😄
fair shale
maybe i should try that with my exec mmf build
Tbh dude the gun wants headshots, I think it would like it
calm shard
maybe i should try that with my exec mmf build
IAGs are like the posterboys of MMF guns so yeah
probably
hybrid plover
but yes, mk6 knife heavies except for the strikedown stab have more cleave than the lights
fair shale
im not skilled i magdump specials
Well, you also think it's bad so
brave turtle
think whats bad
thorn lark
what would be the blessings then?
fair shale
Clearly one of us was using it wrong
calm shard
yeah
brave turtle
i didnt say it was bad
tame lodge
Dumdum Deathspitter
brave turtle
i just dont think its great
tame lodge
OpSal Susfire
fair shale
The vraks only requires you to point and click tbf
toxic reef
it's ok with autofire mod
fair shale
Not contend with recoil
toxic reef
I've never used them outside of leveling chars
hybrid plover
agri iag on weapon specialist is solid
hybrid plover
increased rof feels really good on it
calm shard
the vraks does alot better for me
yeah vraks big downside is it has comically short range before damage falloff starts happening
and it has harsh damage drop too
fair shale
increased rof feels really good on it
I believe that tbh
fair shale
Hey, what ranged do you guys use on ranger vet bardin?
fair shale
Lmfao dead opposite of me
I've been using the grudge raker and whoring my own ammo drops
brave turtle
you guys play bardin?
thorn lark
what pair of weapons would you use with exec + ws? I have been trying taxe and cs recently but I am on the fence
fair shale
I play everyone on occasion
thorn lark
(no plasma)
fair shale
Rn I'm looking to make RV Bardin feel better
fair shale
what pair of weapons would you use with exec + ws? I have been trying taxe and c...
PS/CS feels comically good on it tbh
fair shale
I tweaked Bath's build, dropped the auto load off WS and took Krak power ups
Tinkerer
thorn lark
what's the build? 🙂
fair shale
Lemme find
Agri CS, Full Bore and Manstopper with iirc Flakiacs
And PC Sunderer PS with the norm perks
ocean idol
mk6 is a bit of a special case where you have to mix up your moveset for good re...
???
thorn lark
it's close to what i have
ocean idol
default combo seems to be heavy, heavy, then chain light-heavy
thorn lark
well, thing is I often find myself having to deal preemptively with specialists dans elites from afar so I tend to shoot more than swing :/
Like with a mmf or ws build, I end up doing 70% range and 30% melee
fair shale
Tbh I'm very happy to walk up to most specials in this game and end them rightly with the PS
Yeah nah
I'm like
60 percent melee minimum
Vermintide holdover
The gun is there when I need it until the ending event when I can go hog wild
ocean idol
Why am i getting instakilled sometimes in havoc
fair shale
Like no wound?
ocean idol
even though i should only be downed since i have some segments left
fair shale
Instant dead?
ocean idol
yeah
pseudo fiber
Why am i getting instakilled sometimes in havoc
Crushers and mauler can 1 tap tap you in havoc as tongs said their attack deal corruption damage too
ocean idol
first time it was mauler, yes
second time i think i t was poxwalker lol
i got toughness destroyed by plasmer
thorn lark
Its more common on vet than any other class ime
I think other classes have a talent to reduce corruption no?
or is it only martyzealot and arbites?
fair shale
I think other classes have a talent to reduce corruption no?
Other classes do but it's a mix of vets low health and lack of resistance
Like iirc by havoc 30 your health is under 100 without a curio?
calm shard
Why am i getting instakilled sometimes in havoc
increased corruption damage from enemies, particularly maulers and crushers
their overheads start doing several hundred points of corruption damage around havoc 20
so you just straight up die if you get hit by them
thorn lark
this makes no sense dwarf
you're comparing zealot with ult and ks to vet without either of those
calm shard
you're comparing zealot with ult and ks to vet without either of those
to be fair fury's cooldown basically doesn't exist
thorn lark
with iod?
calm shard
any of the cdrs
fury's cooldown is extremely short
zealot having such easy access to CDR is just a bonus on top
calm shard
I can't justify it on my zealot because I use deviant weapon choices
dclaw sword my beloved
thorn lark
ok fair
calm shard
unironically has gotten me to play zealot more
using martyrdom+dclaw sword
that sword is so goddamn fun to use and having it kill carapace is great
thorn lark
actually dclaw vet with shred rampage serrated skirmisher and dmg on crit is ver nice too
calm shard
yeah I use it as a sidearm to gun vet pretty frequently
thing annihilates hordes that aren't armor blobs
so I can just use krak/helby IV to kill armor blobs :)
thorn lark
true
i am partial to taxe on vet too
it helped me get out of so many fucked up situation it's crazy
calm shard
chain axe being capable of killing crushers in 2 light attacks
in optimal scenarios
pretty easy to get it down to 3
silver patrol
would be so nice if they removed the cleave limit