veteran-class

[fair shale]

Genuinely I agree

I'm never not taking it

[orchid hemlock]

recrpocity is going to be on 2 talent trees now

[fair shale]

I still don't know if I wanna buy scum tbh

Im so fundamentally opposed to them selling dual wield when it's been a thing since VT1

[burnt pelican]

I support obesefish

[hybrid plover]

I'm more in it for everything else if I'll be honest.

Dual wield is a bonus

[fair shale]

The class looks fun

I just

Idk

[burnt pelican]

Smokestimseveryday

[fair shale]

Verm 1 had dual wield, so did 2

It feels weird they're selling it this time

[burnt pelican]

Angry slayer noises

[fair shale]

Ik verm 2 got more dual wielding weapons later

[fair shale]

Not even, I was a BoP BH Saltz

I liked BoP in 1 too

[burnt pelican]

Havent played 1

[fair shale]

Its drastically worse than 2

Would not reccomend in this era

[burnt pelican]

I know bardin is pretty racist in 1 and sigmund is a genuine asshole

[sonic kayak]

I too am interested to see how Salvadore from Borderlands 2 fits into Darktide

[fair shale]

Theyre not adding bardin

[sonic kayak]

So you're saying not Bardin but

Bardout

[fair shale]

Sure

[sonic kayak]

[hybrid plover]

Bardidn't

[slate wave]

I can see the logic there

I’m getting so I came my scum Nerco-Bunga

[fair shale]

Lmfao

Idk what I'd name scum, probably Boggart or Greirat

My vet is already Patches

[slate wave]

Boggart my boy! “By Markia’s Tits!”

[fair shale]

He is my single favorite ER npc ngl

He feels so real lmfao

"Yeah I got sent to this fuck ass backwards place and I'm definitely not the chosen one but I do enjoy some boiled crustaceans"

[slate wave]

Yeah too bad the dung eater gets him

[fair shale]

Not if I have anything to say about it

[slow sky]

ngl
in neither game dual wielding isnt a mechanic

its just "this weapon holds a weapon in both hands"

take away all the visuals and its just another weapon

[fair shale]

I know, I understand that

Dual wield in any game is visual

It doesnt change the fact that I dislike that it's being sold for 12 dollars in a game series where it existed before and people have been begging for it for 3 years

[slow sky]

well not always
sometimes its literally taking 2 one handed weapons and actually dual weilding them

maybe doing something new with those that cant be done when in just one hand

[hybrid plover]

Eh that's not entirely true. It is true with Tide games though.

[fair shale]

Ig that was an overstatement

[slow sky]

i never dual wield in skyrim but its a thing you can actually do and is a mechanic in skyrim

[hybrid plover]

Like, say, powerstancing in DS2.

[fair shale]

I still dislike that it's being sold for 12 dollars

3 years into the third game in a series

That had it

On like day 1 of first games release

[slow sky]

that being said tho
the weapons of hive scum are the best part

[fair shale]

Imo its the primary selling point

FS knows how much people have begged for dual wield for 3 years

The aesthetic of hive ganger isn't selling mass audiences, that's for sure

We've seen em bitching about it lol

[slow sky]

Amplified by the week delay
And that people gaslit themselves into admech

[tall torrent]

Idk I like their deluxe skin

Looks good

Budget corvo attano

[slow sky]

So the bitching is bitching^3

[fair shale]

Idm the Ganger aesthetic personally but I don't love it either.

It's not like, the end of the world tho

[slate wave]

True, I am the minority because I think Nercomunda is the best thing since sliced bread, better than most 40k stuff

[hybrid plover]

Am I the only one who thinks all of the stuff we've seen in trailers is not fully representative of the aesthetic of Hive Scum? And that they probably chose the most extra looks not realizing it wasn't gonna resonate with people as much?

[tall torrent]

I hope their dual 1911s are good

[slow sky]

Theres a penance cosmetic that im astounded they were able to get approved

[fair shale]

I feel like the entire trailer sets them up to be hated im ngl

It shows new class saving the predefined classes

[hybrid plover]

They even do that four characters with divider trope a lot of games do when they're trying to show off skins.

[fair shale]

Tbh idk how to interact with this statement cause idk like, if you can say anything else about it

[slow sky]

From what I've noticed they need specific blessings in the pool to realy shine

[hybrid plover]

Illusion of choice, my beloved.

[fair shale]

Everytime I've talked to someone about Ganger it normally hits "nda" fast

[slow sky]

But they are super cool out of the box, and super fun with the right setup

[slate wave]

Now of we get a Spyer in Dark Tide, FS can sell a skin for $200 and I wouldn’t care

[fair shale]

Absolutely not lmfao

Spyrers are superheros

[slow sky]

See thats the thing
Theyre not the blessings youd think

[tall torrent]

That’s ok as long as they’re actually good

I liked most of arb’s new weapons

[slow sky]

Theyre ones people skip over for like any other weapon

[fair shale]

I liked arbs new weapons till I tried CS on Arb tbh

[tall torrent]

Just, going from arb’s melee weapons to falchion in terms of design was an immaculate drop in quality lol

Historic falloff

[karmic goblet]

Spyrer inspired skin for hive scum would be cool or maybe Van Saar

[fair shale]

I think the shield is the one arb weapon I really like

Shield Maul

[slate wave]

Super heroes??? Lmao they love to murder the poor or if you are the elite of Nercomunda kill genestealers you may or may not of released into the hive

[fair shale]

I mean in terms of what the suits can pull off for em.

[thorn lark]

terryfing barrage my beloved

[slow sky]

We're back up
Ive not heard anyone say anything bad about the weapons
The worst was "its alright" about a specific one

[slate wave]

The non-lethal weapon I might add

[thorn lark]

bah it's ceaseless barrage or run n gun

[slow sky]

Let's not getting ahead of ourselves here

[tall torrent]

Can we get some real changes to falchion tho it’s like FS actually filled its stats with toes instead of by hand

[slate wave]

You right hunting rigs in some cases is better than SM armor

[fair shale]

How does the dual wield work if you can share? Is it M2 to aim in and m1 to fire both or is it m1/m2 both bound to fire and they're perma from the hip? I understand if the answer is NDA

[tall torrent]

Prob m2 to aim in for reduced spread

But it won’t be accurate like ADS weapons

[hybrid plover]

Yeah that's my curiosity. Probably braceable weapons?

[fair shale]

I could see it going either way tbh

[tall torrent]

The worst case scenario would be

[fair shale]

I think I'd bet braces tho

[tall torrent]

M1 to fire 1 gun, M2 to fire the other gun

[slow sky]

I won't say just to be absolutely safe
But like out of those two options which would you think is better to play

[fair shale]

It'd be cool as hell if they could independently aim but ik that shit is not happening

[tall torrent]

Which is cursed

[slate wave]

Either way akimibo fire lmao, I want to be able to sprint and shoot

[tall torrent]

But given FS’s track record

Who knows

[hybrid plover]

Braced tbh

[fair shale]

Im assuming its just braced again cause thats less effort to implement

[hybrid plover]

It's also the more traditional route for horde shooters

And it works.

[slow sky]

I said better to play and not easier to implement lmao

[fair shale]

It was like that in vt2 as well

[tall torrent]

Braced is obviously simpler to play
Which is prob why FS could choose to make m1 + m2 fire each of the guns just to fuck with us

[fair shale]

M2 to aim in

M1 to fire

Tbh

The coolest dual wield ever was armored core last raven

[hybrid plover]

Welcome back, Max Payne 3.

[fair shale]

Where your two guns could actually

Independently target stuff

[slate wave]

Name it Maximus Paine for 40k flavor

[fair shale]

I unironically love this sort of dual wield

You can't aim in but you can independently control the guns

[tall torrent]

LosPollosHermanos is within DT characters’ 18 character limit btw

[fair shale]

Tbh ganger isnt set up for that

[tall torrent]

Just saying

[fair shale]

The guns are all paired

Theres no point for independent firing

[slow sky]

Mine is LocalCartnitePlug

[hybrid plover]

Buying hive scum because it's the only class I can reasonably name "Goblin"

[slate wave]

As long as the stem system is good I’m sold

[fair shale]

Fanatic F Zealot tbh

Idk, I care very deeply about dual wielding in games

[tall torrent]

If the dual shivs have uncanny strike I will crash out

[fair shale]

Dual Wielding and Jet Packs

[hybrid plover]

You know damn well there's more of a chance than not they have uncanny.

Like I can't not see them going that route.

[fair shale]

My goat

[tall torrent]

If they nerf uncanny to a reasonable state it’d be fine

[thorn lark]

haymaker is making a comeback I feel it

[slow sky]

Poomaker

[fair shale]

I think there's no way double shivs dont have uncanny

[fair shale]

What'd you even do to be a playtester?

[tall torrent]

He was invited in a dream

[fair shale]

Im just curious cause I normally see it with the yellow names

[slow sky]

Kidnapped

[fair shale]

Lmfao

[slate wave]

Fingers crossed that mr. Scum doesn’t push zealot even lower

[fair shale]

Im hoping scum isnt arb levels of broken on release but

I doubt that

Ive asked playtesters and they immediately go "nda" lol

[slate wave]

Please, you know it will

Gotta sell that class then nerf it into the ground

[hollow ibex]

you know it will

[slow sky]

No really
It was like 6 am and I was watching YouTube in bed on my phone and about to go to sleep and I get a notification and its a discord friend request from strawhat
And I just look at it like

[fair shale]

Neat, alright

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/mushroommovie-uwu-gif-22830334

[fair shale]

Nah, I was just curious cause you're the only like

Red name playtester ive seen

At least that says they are

It wouldnt shock me if Ainz was

[tall torrent]

Prob will

[uneven cloud]

switching from the spammy laser gun to the helbore lasgun was such a breeze of fresh air

[thorn lark]

that's because the other are malice playtesters :3

[sullen scarab]

on the VIc recon lasgun, what do you run for the perks? 5% crit chance and flak?

[fair shale]

It scares me that some people are genuinely hardstuck in malice and heresy

[fair shale]

Unyielding

[sullen scarab]

Also, if I run tacaxe and recon, do I need to take Rending Strikes?

trying to decide between Rending or the 25 toughness node

lol

[slow sky]

Taxe doesnt really need it

[slate wave]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-spiderman-meme-laugh-laughing-gif-7178438

[hybrid plover]

Its nice to have. But mainly for crushers.

[fair shale]

In havoc you want that toughness ime

Below havoc do whatever makes you happy

[sullen scarab]

[hybrid plover]

And I'll admit, could just put shred on if you really want that help.

[sullen scarab]

true lol

I have brutal momentum right now

[fair shale]

I use shred and headhunter iirc

[sullen scarab]

but I'm not sure if it really helps

I run shred on Arbites and it feels so good

[thorn lark]

headtaker

[fair shale]

Thats it, ty

[slow sky]

Its honestly be best talent it has

It usually is for any weapon that has it

[thorn lark]

actually I run shred ht on vet and shred/dec + ht

[fair shale]

Tbh I liked tac axe way back in the day

[fair shale]

And then this mf popularized it

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[fair shale]

So i cant even feel niche running it anymore

[sullen scarab]

So still Brutal Momentum/Headtaker on the tacaxe

I'm just dicking around with "The Build" on the bottom of the tree for tacaxe/recon

just wondering about Bring it Down and Rending Strikes lol

but i feel like they're super nice to have

[tall torrent]

Tf since when was brutal momentum niche

Are we in parallel timelines

[fair shale]

I mean tac axe

Not BM

BM was literally never niche cause of CAxe

[hybrid plover]

I've been more privy to shred than bromentum if I'll be real.

[tall torrent]

It’s largely the same function as before

[fair shale]

Ik, it was just slept on for like 2 years till Cole went and made everyone aware of how good it is lmfao

[sullen scarab]

Yeah I always kind of felt like shred felt better over BM on the tacaxe, for me lol

[thorn lark]

hu, no

[tall torrent]

It was just mid the entire time

The buff gave it a bit better single target but it’s still mid

[fair shale]

I prefer it to knife tbqh

[hybrid plover]

It's nice to have for horde clear but the extra crit chance from shred helps for that enough for me.

[hollow ibex]

brumentum's a pretty big increase to taxe horde clear speed

[slow sky]

Taxe has really good mobility without it being too much like knife

[slow sky]

And non ogryn elite clear

[fair shale]

Taxe feels like Alt Knife to me

[sullen scarab]

ahhh ok

horde clear combo is push attack into heavy repeated right

[slow sky]

Congrats you are better than 95% of people who have tried taxe

[hybrid plover]

It is, but I prefer the balance of horde clear + single target recently

[sullen scarab]

I remember learning the combo here

it has made a huge difference lol

[hybrid plover]

Especially since I run mk4 usually

And mk4 doesn't synergize as well with bromentum

[sullen scarab]

I feel like I have to run the +3 stamina curio

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah on mk4 shred's prob better

[sullen scarab]

oooo

[silver patrol]

but have you considered

[slow sky]

Tho it is still good

[silver patrol]

clicking m1

multiple times

[sullen scarab]

Unarmored+Unyieldling/Carapace on the tacaxes right

[fair shale]

Its kinda insane to me how few people learn combos on anything at all and just light spam their way through DT

[slow sky]

It just doesnt have the diagonal strikedown heavy/lights that the 2/7 have

[hybrid plover]

Have you tried the special uppercut chain on that thing. Shit does crazy single target damage.

[sullen scarab]

I'm learning combos because otherwise I will get carpel tunnel

[thorn lark]

shred+ht is fine

[slow sky]

No because that requires me to put down the 7 which is a cardinal sin

[hybrid plover]

And it very often just guarantees staggering what you're hitting

It's like a perfect combo to me

[hollow ibex]

mk4's cool

the horde clear really suffers compared to VII and II tho

[tall torrent]

Carapace imo

[silver patrol]

i galaxy brained and bound m1 spam on m1 with skitarii

[slow sky]

I do cara/unyielding

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

i remember bath saying unarmored for some bruiser breakpoint right

[slow sky]

All classes now have enough damage to reliably kill bruisers with the pa/heavies

[tall torrent]

Scab bruiser

[slow sky]

Vet got juiced

[tall torrent]

815 unarmored is pretty high

U don’t have to run unarmored

But unarmored makes u rely less on damage buffs to hit that breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

scab bruisers are tanky af

[slow sky]

You dont need it if you take skirmisher and exploit

[fair shale]

Default havoc perk set ngl

[slow sky]

But most builds do anyway

[sullen scarab]

i just like not having to "wind up" to kill them

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s what unarmored is for

[sullen scarab]

it helps a ton

from what I've done

I feel like I have derp moments where I'm not "wound up" with skirmisher and stuff and then I didn't one shot the bruisers and flub and they smack me lmao

[slow sky]

The amount of pushing involved in the moveset mitigates that a lot tho

[sonic kayak]

Not super versed on the Taxes(generally not interested in them), but why do you prefer the 7? I'd love to have your input

[thorn lark]

moveset

h2

[hollow ibex]

7 just does everything well basically

[fair shale]

Moveset güd

[calm shard]

I love Mk 4 and I would die for it

[hybrid plover]

Admittedly the moveset is just easy to use.

[sullen scarab]

It does, I'm just a flubber sometimes lmao

[slow sky]

Even beyond the moveset, the directions of the core pa>heavy feel better despite being the same both other direction on the 2

[hollow ibex]

2 feels like a bad 7 ngl

[sullen scarab]

I'll try out shred

[hybrid plover]

I'm a special snowflake that likes mk4 but I acknowledge that mk7 is generally a simpler weapon to use.

[sullen scarab]

and if I notice my horde clear becoming noticeabley horrific I'll go back to BM lol

[fair shale]

Is 4 the middle tac axe?

[thorn lark]

shred bm is possible

[hybrid plover]

Da blue one

[fair shale]

I remember liking middle and bottom variant tac axes

[fair shale]

I think thats middle

[sonic kayak]

Well thanks to you, I've gotten a sort of appreciation for the taxe, so always interested to see/try other stuff

[slow sky]

2 green
4 blue
7 gold/brown

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 Marty book zealot goated

[slow sky]

As is standard for most 3 mark weapons

The 3 primary colors of the imperium

[fair shale]

Tbh

I remember most variants by forgeworld

Cause im a turbo nerd

[slow sky]

Explode

[fair shale]

I cannot tell you how much I wish I could empty my brain of 40k knowledge cause I do not even like this setting anymore.

I just think the Tide games are wildly fun

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah, longshot or one motion for the recon lasgun?

[calm shard]

one motion does nothing

longshot does something

one motion is useful for 3 things

1. pulling grenades faster
2. helbore
3. bolter

otherwise it's more or less useless

[sullen scarab]

sounds good, ty!

figured as much

[tall torrent]

Nah

It is noticeable for most weapons

Longshot is not worth on that many weapons actually

[fair shale]

Im ngl

I wish I could path CK into OfB or ET

Instead of either LS or OM

[sullen scarab]

Any good on recon?

[fair shale]

Recon does such low damage i don't think worrying about percentile bonuses is worth it, personally

[willow prairie]

you use it to buff burn stack

[fair shale]

Tbh I assumed burn damamge interacted with it weirdly, that might be on me

[tall torrent]

it's ok

I don't rly like recon

it's prob the most boring gun in the game

[sullen scarab]

hm ok

[thorn lark]

ànd bolter?

[tall torrent]

doesn't change it much

just do OM + TR

ur gonna take OM anyway

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me frens. Considering giving the grenade stealth build a try, what's the gist?

Also can the axe be substituted for knife?

[calm shard]

knife/shovel/dueling sword is mandatory for grenade stealth build

weapon has to have Uncanny Strikes

[fading yarrow]

I've got Uncanny and Lacerate with Flak and Unyielding

[thorn lark]

dying in the elevator because of a fucking flamebomber

[slate wave]

Lmao a classic, wait till you get double trapped into a poxbuster and tox flamer

God I love Darktide

[thorn lark]

Also fuck you every purga user trying to farm and lagging 2km behind

And people just quitting after dying

[slow spade]

I've seen people leave after getting downed

like it's 3 minutes into a match my dude how is that even fun lol

[hybrid plover]

Lacerate is, eh.

It's not great now that you can access serrated so easily now.

[thorn lark]

A lot of h40 interestingly

[fair shale]

Not like theyre gonna get deranked for it

[thorn lark]

It's a bit sus when it's just auric or mael

Like bro, how?

Oh wait. You spent the mission in a bubble with a coherent team.

[fresh spire]

best inf lasgun?

[lunar maple]

Would rending strikes perk help on bolter and Chainsword

[dapper coyote]

The 10% rending bonus on the tree?

Yes

Its literally 1pts 10% rending, no bullshit required

[lunar maple]

Thx

[calm shard]

bolter absolutely not

chainsword yes

chord gets a decent boost into flak and slightly less hopeless carapace damage from rending

[fair shale]

whats HB dumpstat?

stab? or do you 76 it

[calm shard]

you don't 76 any weapon in this game optimally

helbore is stability

[fair shale]

thanks

[fair shale]

look i was under the impression the dumpstat is always 60 for awhile

plasma and psyker weapons? apparently not

[calm shard]

it is always 60 for 99% of weapons

there's a few weird exceptions

psyker weapons want warp resistance as low as possible

[fair shale]

ik

its annoying

makes me not even want to play the class cause im gonna get stuck on trying to low roll warp res with optimal every other roll

[calm shard]

I mean it barely matters

sub 60 warp res is like

super sweaty optimization

for small returns

[fair shale]

ik that it doesn't matter

but i hunted low floats in CS skins too

its just

how my brain works

[calm shard]

oh

gambling addiction

yeah that'd do it

[fair shale]

less than gambling addiction

i just

need the best possible variation of something i can get

its why gacha weapons pissed me off to the point of quitting

perfection in all things, yk?

[narrow widget]

yea 60 damage

[calm shard]

blazing spirit illisi

zealot flamer

[tall torrent]

psyker still is

only plasma and ripper aren't

[mystic glade]

they probably mean low warp res

[fair shale]

psyker(from the psykers in pysker chat) wants as low of a roll as possible in warp res so they can stack it faster/worry about it less

[steep flower]

i would not say so; one motion for recons is nice cause due to lack of stagger on them and average pull out speed it makes it worse if smth comes quickly to attack you or your team
one motion atleast allows you to be more reactive
Longshot is nice but it buffs ranged dmg and if you are utilizing burn dot from infernus you most likely won't be increasing your dmg that much though it
remember; dmg is good but being able to be more reactive is better

[calm shard]

actually come to think of it I'm not sue this is even relevant anymore because of Warp Ghost

[fair shale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

look its what they told me, tbh i dont think its nessecary

if i want my peril high i can make it high by pressing F with SG

[steep flower]

it make sense still; if you're using quell abilities that is; bubble tho... yeah

[fair shale]

yeah iirc bubble builds arent genning a bunch of peril

+fire staff doesnt do damage through its number iirc

[steep flower]

i was more about getting rid of it

[fair shale]

donate it to my psyker

[steep flower]

PO Box for solidified peril

yummy

[fair shale]

i love sitting at 97 peril

thank you JaD

[steep flower]

looks like gummy bears, tastes dreadful

[tall torrent]

it's mostly irrelevant at this point, just for memes

[final steeple]

Need one more for Havoc Lvl 18, anyone wanna join?

[hybrid plover]

We stan warp ghost here.

[fair shale]

look i simply stole ainz build but i use an iag instead of an accatran

[tall torrent]

the only things that actually scales linearly based on peril are OwtW and warp rider

[fair shale]

This works very well ime

[fair shale]

Not atm, thank you tho

[sullen scarab]

Great advice as usual my man, thanks!

[tall torrent]

and being able to cast more atks is almost always better ttk vs things than getting that minuscule diff from those 2 talents

even for FGS to max peril quickly on right side builds, warp ghost now exists

and the diff in peril between a gigadump WR vs a 60% WR is just the peril from a single assail shard

[fair shale]

Me accidently blowing myself up with assail cause I get too eager to throw it

[hybrid plover]

I actually posted a bubble gunker here recently and it was honestly kinda dumb how effective it is.

[fair shale]

Psyker is psyker

[hybrid plover]

JaD, OwtW and Warp Ghost synergize in a very stupid way.

[fair shale]

It Just Works™

[tall torrent]

psyker simple is not in the same case as plasma/ripper having specific stats

[fair shale]

Psyker is genuinely so brainless feeling to me rn, at least for how I'm playing it

Which is running at things with FGS

And possibly shooting bosses with the IAG if they agitate me enough

I press F, generate all the peril I need. JaD stops me from killing myself, my attacks are auto brain bursting.

It just works.

[orchid hemlock]

first game back in over a month:

[fair shale]

Hell yeah brother

[orchid hemlock]

pubs dont seem to be as cancer as before, did yall whip them into shape? 🤔

[fair shale]

Play a second game.

[tall torrent]

no

pubs are still either

havoc players steamroll speedrun

or

+3 wound non-martyr players kissing the floor at every given opportunity

[fair shale]

Why do people run wounds

Genuinely

Like

Wouldnt you logically run health

If you wanted to die less/felt like you're dying often

[hybrid plover]

They don't know better.

[fair shale]

Yeah but I mean like

If you're dying

And you want to stop doing that

Why would you run "die an extra time" and not "more hp before it hits 0"

[tall torrent]

their issue is almost always toughness management

[fair shale]

Tbh

[neat stratus]

76 wound build

[fair shale]

It never actually occurred to me till you said it the "darktide is a gun game" people aren't meleeing

To get toughness back

That makes so much sense now

[hollow ibex]

feels like it's gotten worse lol

[tall torrent]

also connection quality has been horrendous this week

maybe FS tweaking their servers to prep for update

[swift jolt]

fellow veterans

I’ve been trying to get my For the Emperor penances. I could get multiple at once but

I desperately need advice on how to do Long Bomb

[sonic kayak]

Throw a grenade far enough that it explodes mid-air

[livid hill]

why does the laspistol feel so much easier to use than the inf las? it feels like I can hit headshots etc much easier with the laspistol but I dont really get why

theyre not really that different

[hybrid plover]

They are in terms of feel. Recoil and aim wobble.

It actually matters quite a bit for getting a good shot.

That's part of why I can't really vibe with lasgun. It feels like shit to shoot.

[swift jolt]

Infantry feels shit to shoot

but the other Lasguns feel great

[neat stratus]

Why do they have recoil anyways?

[sonic kayak]

According to the devs, no recoil felt yucky

[spark helm]

Laspistol corrects itself by the feel and look. Infantry las doesn't
You're enriched by being very consistent with being on tsrget by comparison

[jaunty sphinx]

I think once I get back home I'm gonna try getting good with psword, I've always been so bad with its dodges

[hollow ibex]

it's worth it

[fair shale]

Its just a different rhythm to get used to tbh

Feels great once you get into it tho

[fast shale]

Tried recon and knife with weapon spec, sht was fun af

[dapper coyote]

Reccy is fun

Hihihihi BRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTT

[fair shale]

Relationship ended with shredder frag

Krak my new love

I understand why people use these now

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[fair shale]

I agree but nuking crushers is very nice rn

[hollow ibex]

i like kraks more for bulwarks tbh

[fair shale]

I throw em at both tbh

[hollow ibex]

it lets me play the game instead of dancing around a literal moving wall

[fair shale]

Nah i agree

However the ratio is like

73 crushers:1 bulwark rn

[hollow ibex]

i see a LOT of bulwarks

or maybe it's just confirmation bias

because i fking hate em

[spark helm]

Unless elevation doesn't let me, I just shoot over their shield

[fair shale]

I see a god awful amount of crushers and maulers rn

Tbh I can simply slug their shield if I care that much

[spark helm]

Flamers and bombers for me

Well, bombers that I might not be able to deal with in the moment because the moment I hear that pin get pulled I start searching everywhere for the next toss.

Lately I've just had more missions where people just don't do anything about flamers for some reason.

[fair shale]

The best part of vet is pressing ES and killing every special on the map

[spark helm]

And it's usually on maps where you really can't afford are denial.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-cat-glowing-eyes-glowing-eyes-cat-glare-gif-10557029653716110147

[kindred adder]

what did shredder frags do to you 🙁

[dry cloak]

darktide is a melee game at heart

[fair shale]

Didn't insta nuke one of the 47 crushers running at me

[kindred adder]

🙁

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1377055386317754543/attachment.gif

[fair shale]

Imagine if you had a 20th bolt

[midnight wyvern]

real

[slate wave]

What’s the build? Asking for a friend…

[midnight wyvern]

thats just a meme setup

was seeing if it was possible to 100-0 a H40 plogryn solo

[slate wave]

Lmao

[livid sphinx]

Man I love going knife but its giving me carpal

[dense bridge]

I prefer just running shock trooper and Recon lasgun for the funny brrrrt

[spark helm]

Do hand stretches before and after anything hella repetitive, especially for games.

Consider an auto-fire mod as well if that's something you don't want to stress your body out with.

Can always turn it off when not using the LMB melee weapons.

[dry cloak]

mk6 knife with haymaker and spam heavies

have fun

[tepid otter]

Which Combat shotgun has that fire special again

I forget

[dapper coyote]

All Cshotguns have special ammo, which one ye want?

AP Slug? Agrippina
Duckbilled buckshot? Zarona
Flame Duckbilled? Accatran

[tepid otter]

Sounds like Accatran by the way you put it

Thanks, imma give it a try

[dapper coyote]

Accatran special fucking sucks

Sure you can pierce through bulwarks but thats it.

That's all.

[tepid otter]

Is that the one that sets them on fire as well

[dapper coyote]

No extra stagger, no cleave

Yea

Its the flame

But nothing else besides the flame buckshot

[tepid otter]

Wanted to try and stack DoTs on top each other with that and some shredder nades on a build i wanna try

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

Go ahead, experiment.

[tepid otter]

and what uhh, blessings should i put on it, if its gonna be on a pseudo grenadier build

and perks

[dapper coyote]

Btw, Accatran's regular shots has insane cleave, stagger and suppression to the point of most regular enemy will be fucking terrified simply because of standing too close to the trajectory of your gun.

For the perks/blessings, not sure what suits...

[tepid otter]

Hmm, imma look something up then maybe theres one on glantern or eyeball it

[dry cloak]

flak maniac sacttershot manstopper

[dapper coyote]

Thats standard Cshotgun run

He's making a Pseudo grenadier Cshotgun

For which i seriously don't know

[dry cloak]

thats standard accatran. both zarona nad agrip prefer other blessings

[dapper coyote]

Ah i see

[dry cloak]

agrip is premiere blessing are no respite and fullbore

[dapper coyote]

Fuck carapace anyways, that shit would pierce it

[dry cloak]

adn zarona is is 2 of the 4 you like

[dapper coyote]

Gotcha

[dry cloak]

and if you want memes

take manstopper of agrip

but without scatter shot

because its hard to stack it

[dapper coyote]

How bout Deathspitter / Fire frenzy?

Since you're using a shotgun and its darktide, its easy to proc those 2

[dry cloak]

those are a bit discredited because no respite stacks 7 times

and infinite cleave is better

[dapper coyote]

I see

[thorn lark]

More like walking slowly 👴

[calm shard]

tbh no respite kinda overrated in the current state of veteran

you're 1-2 shotting everything anyways

[dry cloak]

yeah

i think it just stuck on from before

[calm shard]

might as well go manstopper instead so that 1-2 shot goes straight through them and into another guy behind them

[dry cloak]

yeah

[ebon drum]

Haven't played vet in a while and apparently this was my build the last time I touched vet. Was wondering if theres any like big things I should get, avoid, or swap out. I'm thinking about swapping Out for Blood for Longshot

Shout Vet, Dueling Sword and Plasma Gun

[silver patrol]

the last time you touched vet you made the most cookie cutter vet build you could find

[ebon drum]

I mean, ill take that as a compliment then lmao

[silver patrol]

yeah i meant it as that

it is cookie cutter for a reason

[red cobalt]

why serrated blade and not field improv?

[ebon drum]

Not sure tbh it’s been a while

[red cobalt]

fair

i assume you were maybe running mercy killer?

on a knife or something

[ebon drum]

Sounds familiar now that I think about it

Gotta open up game again to check, was just running dueling sword cuz brain off pokey poke earlier

[regal smelt]

wait wtf since when did no respite stack again

I thought it was made to be completely non stackable all the way back around the time maelstroms were added

[thorn lark]

on accatran?

[thorn lark]

you use it to just stop a wall of shooters too

[dry cloak]

yes

[regal smelt]

the alt fire gives an easy max scattershot stacks, so even if it wont get anything out of manstopper the next shot will

[crimson wyvern]

is there some sort of glitch with the demonhost or something

was nowhere near it, hellbore las

other teammate had his torch on though

is there some bug where someone elses torch triggers it and angers whoevers closest

[dry cloak]

wanna play?

[crimson wyvern]

im just winding down now sorry

[dry cloak]

aye

[serene bough]

Its good but most people run kraks instead of shredders currently

[crimson wyvern]

kraks are actually nutty and now we have 3 of them i sorta get why we only had 2 to begin with

but i dont think we should go back to 2

[dry cloak]

kraks are good

[steel barn]

I used to run shredders but now I feel like I don't have a good enough armour counter whenever I run them so Kraks is the way

Even when I have an anti-armour weapons, kraks still feel necessary

[crimson wyvern]

i always take hellbore so never feel the need for kraks

[gilded pike]

Vets should get hotshot lasguns

[dapper coyote]

Gib us melta too

[ocean idol]

i want needle pistol

[gilded pike]

Inq stormtrooper cosmetic when…

[lusty plume]

any deadshot enjoyers?

[thorn lark]

it depends

[hollow ibex]

i like it on some builds

[lusty plume]

heavy laspistol with marksmens focus?

[hollow ibex]

decent with mkx

just very boring

[ocean idol]

i actually foargot heavy one exists

[summer mason]

saw some veteran running around with a knife and machine pistol with the name of RealHiveGangerReal

[lusty plume]

when a pack of shotgunners pop out and you start headshotting them one by one with ghost active to avoid their shots its very satisfying

[ocean idol]

there was screenshot of "HiveGangerAtHome"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[hollow ibex]

i've come around to deadshot a bit

[tame lodge]

You've what

[hollow ibex]

deadshot allows for funny things on some guns

like half my gunmaxxing builds use deadshot now

[slate wave]

Can I also request a shot-las

[dapper coyote]

Pov: DB + WS vet clearing the horde

"I have 68 more rnds in this 2 shot double barrel wolfer."

[loud steeple]

I've been playing for the first time in a year. Splattering people with the bolter and shotguns is satisfying

[faint beacon]

Schizophrenia in video form

[ocean idol]

wait, what is wrong with it

[tame lodge]

It's vet so it's always going to be cost benefit

[ocean idol]

remind me, normal laspistol vs heavy one?

[hollow ibex]

they're both heavy laspis

mk2 is the better mark though

[ocean idol]

...

the heavy one is the one with lower rof

[mortal aspen]

they're all heavy las pistols

[ocean idol]

i don't care how game names them

[hollow ibex]

they're both heavy laspiss

[ocean idol]

I KNOW

I name things according to their function

[hollow ibex]

lol ok

[ocean idol]

Same way i call the lowest rof recon gun heavy

[hollow ibex]

well if you're talking to other people, helps to use the game names so people aren't confused

anyway mk2 is the good one

[ocean idol]

well i elaborated

[hollow ibex]

mkx is only for deadshot memes

[ocean idol]

Pity

[hollow ibex]

mkx with deadshot's good, but it's just boring

[ocean idol]

I always used deadshot with any precision weapons, was i doing it wrong this whole time lmao

[hollow ibex]

deadshot's good on some builds but it's a niche talent overall

[dapper coyote]

Crazy dave finally discovers that 12 GA buckshot hurts more than some pea

[ocean idol]

why boring

2-shotting reapers on headshot is pretty funny

[hollow ibex]

it's subjective but the gun doesn't really have any character to it

point and click adventure

same reason i find recon boring

but at least laspis rewards aiming for the head

so recon's evne worse in that respect

[ocean idol]

how it is different from mk2

in fact that's all single-fire guns

plasma

headhunter

shotguns

bolter

[mortal aspen]

laspistol feels like you're doing fingerguns

like a toy

[hollow ibex]

Nah a lot of them feel good to use because of recoil and feedback

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah

Mk2 I only run as a sidearm so it’s whatever

[ocean idol]

How headhunter compares to other precision weapons

[hollow ibex]

the vigils?

they're good

entirely dependent on headshots

i don't like them

[cinder wagon]

Playing knife veteran is so damn hectic

Never had to micromanage this much in this game

[zealous prism]

Hi, how can I use smoke granades to avoid getting vote kicked or kicked from party before match?

[sharp epoch]

what does that mean

[faint beacon]

They’re getting kicked for using smokes which is

Interesting

To say the least

[zealous prism]

When I am on smoke granade vet I am sometimes kicked mid match, or team disbands when they see I am gas vet. And I would like to understand why and how can I play it better.

I understand that this nade can block vision for team, but is it THAT BAD?

[sharp epoch]

its not even bad its meta in some regions on the hardest difficulties

[zealous prism]

From my perspective: its something simmilar to psykers shield.

[mortal aspen]

I don't think the visibility hit is that bad

[stuck gorge]

im ngl i havent once seen smokes in pubs yet

[zealous prism]

But you get 3 charges, can regen them fast and toss around.

[mortal aspen]

what diff are you playing?

[serene bough]

its a bit annoying sometimes

[zealous prism]

Damnation / Auric, before going to Havok. Stopped around 20.

[serene bough]

esp if youre on vent purge

[mortal aspen]

bc people on lower diff watch tanner a lot and he says smoke is terrible unplayable garbage

[zealous prism]

Dont want to run experimental on Havok

[mortal aspen]

yeah, so damn/auric is about right where ppl might be pissy about your build

[sharp epoch]

damnation difficulty is the new heresy people are just gonna leave if they die or are losing

[mortal aspen]

they'll blame your smokes for their skissue

[zealous prism]

Sadly, that is correct.

[fair shale]

Im so sick of Plas DS Tanner vets bro

[serene bough]

smokes are okay in higher difficulties but imo its a worse bubble

[fair shale]

Its budget bubble

[serene bough]

you get 30s of ranged protection with no team buffs on a regeneration blitz which could be much more useful as valuable DPS (Kraks especially with rotten armor)

lots of people in this server like smokes i utterly hate them

[zealous prism]

Yeah, this sums this up. But you can "toss" this bubble to prepare next position, etc... and it is 1 point.

Kraks are better, pre-patch I was using shreds for mass bleeding.

Ok, at least I know it is not completly my fault 😄

[serene bough]

its not awful at what it does but i never find it worth taking over shredders/kraks if theres a psyker bubble

for what its worth i wouldnt kick anybody for using smokes

[warm coral]

I like that kraks can take out a few armored ogrens at a time now if they're close enough

[zealous prism]

And here comes problem with psykers bubble - on eu servers I get more and more khorn berserker psykers than bubble ones

Pains of playing with random people and time to time.

[austere mica]

Thats great

[tame lodge]

Smokes stopping vision?
Yeah that's kinda the point

[faint beacon]

Still yet to see a singular Vigil vet outside of the small group of Vets I’ve managed to convince

[hollow ibex]

cuz vigil sucks

[faint beacon]

He says

Not knowing the Columnus III is in the Top 5 best Vet ranged weapons

🚬

[fair shale]

When I havoc i still see plasma DS vets religiously

It's actually insane to me cause I'll sit and outdamage them with the combat shotgun

[faint beacon]

Tbf CS Agri is like

A top vet ranged weapon also

But my ass is usually running Vigils

Agri or Columnus

[fair shale]

I agree, but like, if you see the guy with the dumb combat shotgun actively killing things before your plasma ball can travel for em

Maybe swap?

[faint beacon]

Just depends if I’m experiencing droughts of ammo

[fair shale]

Test some stuff out?

[faint beacon]

I’ve always been a hater of plasma

Always will be one

[fair shale]

I'm not huge on charge mechanic guns

[faint beacon]

Trusty .308 does the trick against gunners

[fair shale]

Tbh way back when I was an IAG guy

Now I'm a shotgun guy

I love normal ass

Plain Jane guns lmao

[faint beacon]

See if the infantry las wasn’t actually mediocre as hell

I’d play it more

[fair shale]

I probably would by virtue of 40k EOTech

[hybrid plover]

Even if they made the stats better, I cannot stand the feel of firing it.

[hollow ibex]

tfw you can't even fire the mk2 at full rof at most ranges due to the recoil

[fair shale]

Or the lack thereof?

Tbh for as lackluster as it is elsewhere the arb shotgun is probably the best firing feeling in game

[hybrid plover]

Lack? It has one of the worst aim wobbles and recoils in the game.

[hollow ibex]

yeah you literally cannot use the full rpm at many ranges

because you'll just miss half your shots

[fair shale]

Tbh I haven't used it literally since month 2 of DT being out so I might be misremembering it

[hybrid plover]

I really cannot understand why they made it like that

For all marks too.

[slow sky]

This is what im saying by it just needs big QoL

The damage on em aint bad
It just fights with you on landing that damage every place it possibly can

[fair shale]

Tbh ILas feels so left behind

[slow sky]

It definitely caters to old darktide more

[fair shale]

ILas feels like it was made specifically for the "vet has to kill shooters" people on yonder years.

[slow sky]

When you could reliably be dedicated to anti-ranged while the zealots/ogryns frontlined and you wouldn't often be pushed back into melee

[fair shale]

Yeah, agreed

[slow sky]

Hell its damage falloff is a good example of how it was designed to begin with

It has inverted range falloff

[fair shale]

Ik

The closer ranged you are the worse it gets, was funny

Considering its a fuckin laser

[slow sky]

Wait till you learn how recoil works for all automatic guns

[fair shale]

Doesnt it keyhole?

Thats normal ime

[slow sky]

Your recoil gets tighter and more stable the longer you fire

Its highest the moment you start shooting

[fair shale]

Yeah, that's keyholing, thats actually accurate

Your body gets used to firing an automatic

As it fires

The difference between your first and second shot will be the highest

[slow sky]

But what other game plays like that

[fair shale]

Tbh

[slow sky]

Oh but it takes quite a long time to reach stability

[fair shale]

Its a great attention to detail as a gun enjoyer

[slow sky]

I think its the same for vigils

Despite being semi auto

[fair shale]

Vigils feel weird

Vigils should like

Burst through the recoil

Or before it

[slow sky]

Easiest to notice with the 3 burst

[fair shale]

Thats the whole point of a burst rifle

Trust me ik, it feels like ass sometimes

Tbh I do prefer auto recoil to like

CoD where they're just laser beams with no feeling

[true kraken]

this is the correct one right?

like the dump stats, I know it's a weird one for this but I remember the number 68% getting floated

[austere mica]

Wrong way around

[true kraken]

But like 68% is enough thermal resistance? Or do I -need- 72 charge rate?

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[hollow ibex]

you don't

it's good enough

just not technically the optimal roll

[true kraken]

yeah, pretty close though, think I've seen people say to shoot for 70/70 or close enough

[hollow ibex]

yeah i use 70/70 because

i use plasma maybe three times a year

[hybrid plover]

This is so sad. 😔

[ocean idol]

and other precision wepaons?

[hollow ibex]

bistol revolver IAG laspis bolter ilas agri CS

plenty of precision weapons in this game

[ocean idol]

i mean how it ocmpares to them

like i did not ask if it was good

i asked how good it is compared to similar options

also is IAG really precisions weapon

although i was suprised to find out how high finesse is for the fastest rof one

what are ilas and cs

[kind spruce]

Infantry lasgun and agripina combat shotgun

The slug shotty

[hollow ibex]

vigils are very good

i dislike them tho

[ocean idol]

what blessings for power falchion?

[ocean idol]

why

[hollow ibex]

because if you don't crit or hit a weakspot you barely do anything

[tame lodge]

Cranial+ Leakage/Wrath/Wrath

[ocean idol]

Decapitator no good?

[ocean idol]

So just do

[tame lodge]

On paper yes
On practical, dogshit

Good luck 100-0 something with teammates around

[silver patrol]

enemy one shot is such a strange trigger condition

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[tame lodge]

Good luck 100-0 something with your own cleave damage distribution

You're your worst enemy for Decapitator

💀

Then for the other blessings

You have no reason for perfect blocking

Overload is shit

Heatsink is almost shit

[silver patrol]

man, i'm starting to think falchion's blessings are kinda shit overall

[ocean idol]

seems like the weapon should really have slaughterer

[silver patrol]

bro wishes it was vt2's falchion

[fair shale]

Dont we all?

[silver patrol]

truly

[ocean idol]

Give me dual axes

and dual daggers

and sword + dagge

and laspistol + chainsword in one

[silver patrol]

it's kinda crazy how despite one being in basically medieval times and the other in a futuristic setting, vermintide has much more interesting weapons

[fair shale]

I love that its renaissance era tbh

One of my favorite bits of fantasy

[silver patrol]

certainly makes for more colorful maps

instead of scrap building n°4124

[fair shale]

Was thinking about that tbh

"Man these environments look so much nicer"

Makes me wonder why I stopped playing verm

[tame lodge]

Metal vs Rocks

[silver patrol]

if they gave everyone in vt skill trees

i would uninstall darktide immediately

[fair shale]

Idm them tbh

[ocean idol]

damn i actually forgot (or never knew) that iags actually good

if you shoot in short bursts they just better than lasguns

[silver patrol]

infantry autoguns do pretty insane damage

unfortunately imo, recon lasguns reach similar damage (no stagger tho) + a talent to make the ammo economy much better (which is one of iags' weaknesses)

were pretty fun in the ration event tho, when you had infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

I wouldn't say Recons reach similar damage

Because then there would be no reason to be saying that Iags are dps monsters

Maybe I'll do some more testing later

Or I'll just play lol all day

Yeah that seems more fun

[silver patrol]

recon does have fire stacks for bosses, so i wonder

i think in general they kinda stomp each other's feet

[hollow ibex]

IAG is definitely higher DPS

recon's never been a DPS beast

it's always been "ok"

[normal tangle]

Best hellbore lasgun mark?

[fair shale]

Most of recons damage ime comes from infernus

[fair shale]

Personal taste frfr

[tame lodge]

Mk4

Objectively

(definitely not biased)

[winter spoke]

is infiltrate viable at higher levels?

i heard it was the worst of the 3 abilities but like, is it still usable

[hollow ibex]

yes but people might get angry if you take it into havoc

it's perfectly viable at all difficulties though

[winter spoke]

fair

[ocean idol]

iags have way better finesse for some reason

[silver patrol]

that's true

recon have garbo finesse last i remember

[winter spoke]

i try not to be That Infiltrate Player™ so hopefully people wont mind

[silver patrol]

which is strange because you'd think recon would have pretty high finesse but alas

[ocean idol]

falchion is so meh

although to be fair i don't have it leveled up

but i assume it does not get much better

[silver patrol]

that seems to be the general opinion of the falchion, yes

[ocean idol]

this is what i have

[silver patrol]

epic mobility roll

prob want an actual damage/cleave blessing over heatsink tho

[winter spoke]

im quite fond of the plasma sword personally

[fair shale]

Sword that breaks your legs

[winter spoke]

power sword*

[silver patrol]

god i wish we had a plasma sword

[fair shale]

Star wars tide game when

[winter spoke]

the plasma sword being a knockoff lightsaber would be sick as hell

it could be the worst weapon in the game and i'd still use it

[ocean idol]

power sword is op
we are t alking about falchion

[winter spoke]

im not B)

[silver patrol]

i see people recommend wrath or energy leakage over heatsink

[ocean idol]

well i have nothing yet

literally jsut had firstr match with the weapon

Just wondering if it is worth leveling

Goddamit, now kraks don't one shot crushers? wtf is this

[silver patrol]

is this havoc

[mortal aspen]

they do with some investment on the tree. in havoc you'll need tinkerer

[silver patrol]

kraks should always oneshot crushers in auric no?

[ocean idol]

it was auric

[mortal aspen]

no, you need those vs ogryn and so on nodes

idk which ones exactly for the breakpoint

[ocean idol]

damn

[silver patrol]

right, i forget about them since they are usually an instapick

Superiority Complex is enough i think?

[ocean idol]

I had it

so proably bRing it Down?

[silver patrol]

yeah probably

[ocean idol]

so should i level falchion

or nah

and wait for buffs?

[silver patrol]

if you like it

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's a fun weapon still, and pretty unique

just not that good lol

[silver patrol]

i personally hate it

so i kinda ignored it after a short try

if you like it, it's not amazing but it works and that's all that counts no?

[ocean idol]

just a worse relic, no?

[broken scroll]

the annoying part is it's most of the way to being pretty solid

[tall torrent]

nah

it's quite far

[broken scroll]

it just needs some minor number changes and moveset finetuning

[tall torrent]

needs 8~10 buffs minimum

[ocean idol]

i think if it just got slaughterer it would be fine

[tepid otter]

How do y'all gauge if its like decent or not

Like whats the criteria

[broken scroll]

probably won't ever break into the havoc meta, but I could easily see it occupying the same realm as the chaxe as an offmeta fun weapon

[hollow ibex]

it's like they forgot why relic blade was good

[tall torrent]

no

[hollow ibex]

i won't stand for this chainaxe slander

chaxe is actually good

unlike falch

[ocean idol]

i lvoe chaxe

[broken scroll]

first and by far the most important is how good it feels to play, and then how well it performs

[broken scroll]

chaxe is great, it's my favorite weapon in the game

[tall torrent]

I go off metrics like mixed horde clear, carapace dps, bulwark ttk, monster sustained dps, and defences

[broken scroll]

it's just not meta-defining

[hollow ibex]

fair

[ocean idol]

which chaxe though

[tall torrent]

XII is better atm

[broken scroll]

both are pretty good. I like the mk4 on psyker cuz the smite subnode makes it funny, but otherwise I run the mk12

[ocean idol]

is that older one or newer one

[tepid otter]

Be fair I dont much like take a deep look on the weapons metrics all that closely , ive been going by feel all this time

[broken scroll]

mk4 is the one that latches on lights and mk12 is the one that latches on heavies

[ocean idol]

wtf chaxe on psyker???

what heresy is this

[broken scroll]

yeah, it's fun

[tall torrent]

no

falchion actually does higher single target dps than relic blade when activated

[broken scroll]

you run the smite node that puts electric dots on heavy attacks and malefic momentum with the mk4 chaxe and it's funny

[silver patrol]

yeah falchion has more finesse right?

[broken scroll]

ya

or feels like it at least

[tall torrent]

it's much worse vs mixed horde, has no elite stagger breakpoints, and doesn't atk fast enough or is agile enough to be a proper fit of "more agile power sword"

[hollow ibex]

the lights are fine

[tall torrent]

and this is all assuming it's activated

[hollow ibex]

the heavies are super slow because ???

[tall torrent]

if not activated it's abysmal dogshit

[tall torrent]

no they're not

not remotely close to having enough dmg

[hollow ibex]

well i wouldn't complain about more damage

[tall torrent]

the only light atks that do acceptable dmg are overhead / stab

[broken scroll]

what I'd wanna see is the heavy windup and all chain times reduced, plus the base damage/cleave/stagger increased by like 10%ish

[tall torrent]

10% is not enough

[hollow ibex]

but when activated the horde clear is decent

[tall torrent]

when activated it's mid

[ocean idol]

btw, slaughterer + thrust for it, right?

speaking of thrust

[tall torrent]

no

headtaker + slaughterer

[ocean idol]

actually also could be interesting blessing for falchion

[tall torrent]

thrust is bait 90% the time

[ocean idol]

I am a simple man

i see bait

i get baited

[broken scroll]

though tbh, the biggest single thing they can do for falchion is add a small grace window when you swap off the thing while it's active

so you can swap, throw a grenade, swap back and not need to activate it again

[tall torrent]

I don't mind that as much

[broken scroll]

just being able to maintain WS without losing activation uptime would be yuge for the feel of the weapon

[tall torrent]

but it needs way way way more than people like to think

[ocean idol]

Actually i had weird interaction, it did once exactly that

and i have no idea how i triggered it

[ocean idol]

actually i was triyng it on ranged build

also activation time is whatever, no? PS also loses time on that

[broken scroll]

it's not about the time taken

it's about how it interrupts the flow of combat

[silver patrol]

yeah and you have to manage a bar too

i'd rather just use the tacaxe

seems like a lot of effort when i could turn off my brain with the tacaxe instead

[tall torrent]

falchion is such an underbaked mess that even if it was turned on 24/7 permanent it'd still just be a mid tier melee

[broken scroll]

the sword deactivating when you swap off it means there's an interruption as you have to step back from combat to reactivate and then dive back in, which runs directly counter to melee vet's whole thing which is rapid and constant weapon swapping while in melee

[ocean idol]

well same thing happens for ps

[broken scroll]

sure, but PS is actually super powerful

so that interruption is warranted

and the base form of PS isn't completely awful

[ocean idol]

so problem is not interruption, but lack of power

[broken scroll]

kinda?

[tall torrent]

uh

u mean unactivated power sword atks?