veteran-class

[spark helm]

They're similar weapons down to their movesets and direct application. Not sure about the reach of mk15 up to havoc 40. But mk15 evis is very strong.

[tame lodge]

It has access to perfect strike so it'll just perform well at havocs mass

[fair shale]

All I can say is that the second hand opinions I get on 15 are very divisive

[tame lodge]

Also being able to reach 9k carapace damage

[fair shale]

People either seem to love it or hate it

[tame lodge]

And eating through voidshields

And hurting monstrosities

I'd say it's a solid weapon

[tall torrent]

It’s a very simple weapon that unfortunately lacks in mixed horde

[fair shale]

Which is bad cause mixed horde melee is important, imo anyway

[tame lodge]

But at the same time
2k hours of Evis15

[austere pine]

yup. biggest pain point of it is when i encounter anything heavier than the little armored dudes

the armored groaners

[tame lodge]

Biased biased biased

[spark helm]

I can just get bored with it due to the moveset but it's a very solid weapon. Nowhere near a slouch of an option imo and experience.

[fair shale]

Ill try it again

[austere pine]

higui thoughts on chain axe

[fair shale]

Regrettably ive never loved zealot

[tame lodge]

Solid single target
Not very nimble
Not the greatest horde performance

Would recommend

[tall torrent]

It’s good at horde
It’s just not good at mixed horde

[swift jolt]

are there any particular meta perks/blessings for Power Falchion

[tame lodge]

And I definitely enjoy Mk4 over 12

But mk12 doesn't have a cap

[fair shale]

What gun do you personally run with it?

[tame lodge]

Except it's light attacks so the horde ain't just hording

[silver patrol]

i just saw a vet melee a poxburster

[hollow ibex]

Cranial wrath. Cara unyielding

[tall torrent]

Unyielding
Carapace
Cranial grounding
Energy leakage / wrath

[tame lodge]

I'm on a shotgun binge rn

[fair shale]

Me in every game for the last decade of my life

[spark helm]

Flamer is nice, boltgun is reliable, bolt pistol is fine, revolver is fine, infantry autogun sure.

Pretty much all the already solid choices that zealot can use flexibly.

Haven't done shotgun with it in a very long time but I could see it working.

[short agate]

hive ganger, arbeites, vet, psyker, ultimate shit talk each other squad

[ocean idol]

"revolver is fine" wtf

revolver is fuckn S tier

[spark helm]

If you're only talking about havoc 40 I wouldn't know.

[spark helm]

Idc about tiers I'm just speaking generally. And yeah revolver is pretty safe as a strong option.

[unique orchid]

Isnt revolver kinda like plasma where you gotta build around it for high level?

[spark helm]

The original question was more for zealot than veteran.

[tame lodge]

As Evis15 doesn't really have multiple Ragers stagger, a shotgun is a good Maniacs remover

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[fair shale]

Tbh everytime zealots give me gun recs it feels like "use whatever you want"

[unique orchid]

Ah on zealot yeah its great

[unique orchid]

Thats because zealots focus is on melee

[tall torrent]

Wdym for high lvl

[unique orchid]

High level as in havoc/auric

[fair shale]

Its gonna be like, wine pairings tho I assume.

[tall torrent]

It’s just strong in general

Was bad for havoc

But now that vet actually gets good damage talents

[unique orchid]

Zealot does not really care too much WHAT they run so long as it complements their playstyle

[spark helm]

I'd say it's a bit of the rub of the class. As long as the gun isn't like totally eh or worse without ranged talents from other classes, you can use a lot of the guns it has more similarly to the flow of vt2 since your movement and melee are the main meat of your builds.

[tall torrent]

Revolver is good all around

[tame lodge]

Evis is pretty much a generalist so you don't need to compensate for it with your ranged
Although it isn't nimble, so bring something fast

Laspistol

SAP

Rev

[unique orchid]

Wine pairing is not a bad comparison

[tame lodge]

Welp
Have fun out there

[spark helm]

An example is like using the bolter on zealot. Can you use it to drop smaller targets that matter? 100%

Do you want to do it as liberally as maybe a veteran? Probably not since you can't exactly guarantee that ammo health the same way.

Will both classes like using it to mag dump big targets or headshot elites? Absolutely.

[hybrid plover]

Ammo economy isn't great tbh. I wouldn't call it S tier. But it is good.

[tall torrent]

Bring autopistol to deal with ragers

And it’s prob enough

[unique orchid]

I like the double barrel on zealot

Very fun to jam both barrels in the face of a problematic elite and send them to space

[ocean idol]

I feel like double barrel too inconventient to use without weapon spec to instantly reload it

[hybrid plover]

You'd probably love double barrel on vet then.

[unique orchid]

Theres a blessing for massive reload speed for emptying both barrels

Turns it into the super shotgun from doom, s'great

[fair shale]

Idk, I play every character like that tbh

Darktide is built on a melee game

[sharp epoch]

yeah its kinda bad without the guaranteed crit and the insta reload

id rather use the arby shotty over it

[sleek rune]

yo whats the best build for veteran besides dueling sword plasma gun brainrot?

[unique orchid]

InfLas and Shovel

[sleek rune]

[jaunty sphinx]

double barrel shovel weapon specialist

[sleek rune]

yeah i tried that but holy you have to either be insanely precise or i am dogwater at it

my shotgun is only at 320 so gonna try upgrading it and see how it turns out

[tall torrent]

What mode

[sleek rune]

havoc 30+

[tepid otter]

Ive seen Helbore on H40's tho it requires you to be hella accurate imo

[jaunty sphinx]

Are you using man stopper and flechette

[sleek rune]

just put it on and grinding diamantine on auric to upgrade it

[tall torrent]

Melee, best is power sword VI
Ranged, vet has many good options

[heavy rover]

Helbore, plasma sword, krak grenades

[unique orchid]

Psword is alright but i dont like having to yank its crank every 3 swings like its No More Heroes

[narrow widget]

think of it as a faulty lawnmower

[heavy rover]

Can confirm. Have done havoc 40's with helbore. The first room you're clearing it like John Wick
Next room you're waffling so hard you contemplate handing over your havoc license

[swift jolt]

Today I’m attempting to get the Long Bomb and Marked for Death penances done

kill me

[heavy rover]

Trench fighter drills does make it a bit more bearable

[surreal rune]

manstopper flechette combat shotgun on bp zealot or manstopper scattershot

[unique orchid]

I just use the InfLas because i can aim but i cant click heads, so i click necks and if they hit the head they die

Not the mk12, but also not the literal flashlight mark

[blazing jetty]

I did the longbomb penance by accident

[sleek rune]

ty guys

[west bloom]

hi I don't know much about the game, just wondering if the recon lasgun is worth putting mastery exp into I've been really liking it in uprising and malice so far.

[swift jolt]

Would you guys say that Mortis Trials maps would be better for trying to get the Lomg Bomb penance

[pseudo fiber]

yep

[lean bloom]

Does someone know why my builds disappear?

whats the new meta build?

[calm shard]

mortis trials enemy health increase means shredders won't kill poxboys with bleed

[hybrid plover]

Weapon spec double barrel :)

[lean bloom]

its the new energy sword good?

[tall torrent]

falchion is meh

[tribal dawn]

I'm guessing I missed the cosmetics that make vet look like a witch hunter.

[jaunty sphinx]

that is correct

[tame lodge]

Worth it

[west bloom]

Thank you fellas

[tribal dawn]

All the lasguns are pretty bitchin' if I'm honest.

[hollow ibex]

Ilas exists

[short agate]

So the recon las isn't the Kasrkin gun I thought it was?! Will we ever get that hotshot las?

[hollow ibex]

Who knows

[tepid otter]

Prolly not

[short agate]

damn we really are rejects lol

[tepid otter]

At this point am just hoping they at least buff infantry las

[short agate]

fair

[tepid otter]

I wanna use it it higher difficulties since I barely go below aurics since unlocking it

[short agate]

people yell at me when I use it lol

[tepid otter]

Lmao, happened to me too when I brought it in havocs

It was just low Havocs as well

[tall torrent]

no, recon is used by elysian drop troopers
maybe we'll get some sort of hotshot later on

[short agate]

I love how many varied weapons the guard rock

[tepid otter]

Need more guns

[atomic zephyr]

I’d love a burst fire lasgun but idk what niche that would fill

[tepid otter]

Just want something like this

[hollow ibex]

Idk how they’d handle the backpack

[tepid otter]

I think someone mentioned like a suppression-esque type Vet with like an lmg, seemed like a neato idea

[tame lodge]

Just override whatever you're wearing back there

Then once you swap to your melee it disappears

Real profesh

[tepid otter]

We have hammer space

[calm shard]

yup

luckily since the recent rework to hallowette's slop shop they'll probably be back sooner than expected

[calm shard]

I dunno handwave it away like all the other ammo we're apparently carrying

TEN infantry autogun mags and your veteran is wearing a sleeveless shirt and patrol pants

[hollow ibex]

psykers aren't the only ones with warp powers...

[calm shard]

where tf do they fit the brauto mags

carrying over 1000 rounds of ammunition even if it's the shitty bullets the Graia shoots is NOT light

[hollow ibex]

up their buttcheeks

[tepid otter]

Hammerspace am telling ya

[surreal rune]

didnt some solar auxilia or voidsman have a hotshot with a magazine

[calm shard]

imperial navy have man-portable miniguns :)

[marble mantle]

What's the perks for power falchion?

[tepid otter]

I got Leakage and Cranial on it

Not sure about others

[limpid ferry]

what combat knife do yall like and what blessings?

[elder vessel]

New iLasgun Mark's

And a buff to accompany

[tepid otter]

[hollow ibex]

cara unyielding

[tame lodge]

Mk6
Any variation of Uncanny Strike riposte and precognition

[orchid hemlock]

Havoc has made the 2 perks universal 😔

[livid sphinx]

Wait people actually play without plasma and duelling sword? 😮

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWWO

omg wow

WHAAAAT

WOOOOOOOOOOW

[serene bough]

I use plasma a lot these days

I like 100 cleave spam

[livid sphinx]

I only play plasma with exe stance these days

shout is so boring

[fair shale]

Im playing combat shotgun power sword

[serene bough]

Id rather use my infantry las but I wont bring to h40

Its probably more enjoyable to crawl through 10 miles of broken glass than to attempt using the ilas in havoc currently

[narrow widget]

darktide youtube brainrot claims another soul 😭

[hybrid plover]

dueling sword plasma overrated

[fair shale]

Tbh plasma feels meh to me rn

Then again, was never the largest fan

[livid sphinx]

That was sarcasm. I do love playing plasma from time to time just to see my name on the top left of the screen

[hollow ibex]

don't need plasma for that

[atomic void]

plasma will always be cool cause plasma weapons are cool

its that shrimple

[hollow ibex]

idk my plasma tends to be pretty hot

[atomic void]

weak sauce plasmer u have

[hollow ibex]

i think hadron doesn't like me very much

[quasi widget]

krak is meta over frag in high havocs still right

[calm shard]

in rotten armor yes

[narrow frost]

both are good

they do different things

[heavy rover]

I've never brought plasma to havoc

[limpid ferry]

thoughts on uncanny/mercy killer?

[calm shard]

mercy killer too since serrated blade is a common choice now

[limpid ferry]

i feel serrated blade is a complete waste unless synergizing with stuff like mercy killer

[tall torrent]

man the latency is so bad this week

[hybrid plover]

flesh tearer good with serrated

[hybrid plover]

yeah i've decided i just cannot play this game until this settles

it's so bad

the worst thing about the latency is that it's not even consistent either

[tall torrent]

at least I got 1 decent clip tonight

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13075218978281987299/EDF11F890C4554C8D3F8CF9567CF755E1A33FC81/

[hybrid plover]

it fluctuates. goes from instant feedback to over a full second

[hollow ibex]

lol was thinking about getting on... maybe not

[limpid ferry]

its okay, i think you get more mileage with mercy

[hybrid plover]

i think mercy's better with mk3 than mk6 if i'll be real

[limpid ferry]

why so?

[hybrid plover]

because the strikedown stabs have huge weakspot multipliers that benefit a lot from the 60% weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

it's barely higher than sweeps

[limpid ferry]

oh the push?

[tall torrent]

like 100 dmg difference

flesh is better for both over mercy killer

[limpid ferry]

how

[tall torrent]

because mercy killer just isn't that good

[hybrid plover]

because it makes the bleed significantly more consistent

[tall torrent]

flesh is instant 10 bleed on crit hit with serrated

[calm shard]

It's 10

How long has it been 10?

[hybrid plover]

since forever

[limpid ferry]

8 stacks

not 10

[hybrid plover]

just couldn't really use serrated with flesh regularly

[hybrid plover]

8 from flesh. 2 from serrated

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/uni-unico-uniuni-unicouniuni-unicouniuni3-gif-13914138811719075784

[tall torrent]

flesh 8, serrated 2

[hybrid plover]

on top of the hits that don't crit so there's never any downtime for the stacks to decay even when you're not at full reciprocity stacks

idk why people don't realize how strong that actually is

[limpid ferry]

so serrated with uncanny/flesh and carapace/crit chance?

[hybrid plover]

because it makes it really good for single target and because bleed ignores cleave distribution, it's also a decent option for horde clear

[calm shard]

my god why did this not occur to me sooner like when you were talking about it way before this moment

[limpid ferry]

is this sarcasm cause i cant tell

[hybrid plover]

it's almost like my propaganda isn't baseless...

[calm shard]

god looking at knife blessings

it'd be so funny if haymaker instant kills ignored enemy hit mass

[tall torrent]

unyielding over crit chance

[calm shard]

theoretically brutal momentum an entire horde

[tall torrent]

not how it works

[calm shard]

fuckin' hell okay

[tall torrent]

ignore mass != pass previous target's dmg

[limpid ferry]

whoa hold up

link to that mod you got on the hud that gives you distance on the target

give

[calm shard]

uh...mod?

psykhanium does that by default???

[limpid ferry]

"2m - crusher"

[calm shard]

yeah

[limpid ferry]

thats not on my fuckin game what

[calm shard]

yeah I'm like 90% certain this is a vanilla feature

[atomic void]

average darktide servers

[calm shard]

pings tell you the distance of the enemy if you look at them

[limpid ferry]

it isnt

i dont have it, is it a hud option in settings perhaps

[hollow ibex]

crazy if that's not a vanilla feature lol

[tall torrent]

no it is base game feature

[limpid ferry]

well i sure aint got it

[tall torrent]

did u mod it out of ur game or smth

numeric UI can do that I think

[atomic void]

love the quick revolver quick taps

this is how u use this thing

death to surgical!!

[hybrid flame]

I think its PC only

[tall torrent]

I keep surgical on it tho

[limpid ferry]

ok i reset my hud and its actually there now

[tall torrent]

lol u modded it out

[atomic void]

i know its good i just hate how it works

[limpid ferry]

maybe by accident cause i did have a lot of hud mods before, including rangefinder

[tall torrent]

surgical is good for shooting gunners and reapers from afar

but for hybrid, point blank is better

[atomic void]

its good i just hate that its on a revovler lmao

i wanna QUICKDRAW this thing and shoot instantly

[livid sphinx]

How does one survive not getting kicked or at least surviving through havoc

[atomic void]

it has a giant ass hitbox to make shooting fast ez

surgical feels like something you'd put on a giant ass sniper rifle

where u actually need to aim for a bit

[gentle lake]

You can put it on helbore

[tall torrent]

buddy

kickback has surgical

[atomic void]

wtf

[tall torrent]

don't take it seriously lol

[gentle lake]

Basically a sniper rifle

[atomic void]

the talent of all time

so uhhh lets put the talent where u need to carefully aim on weapons with hitboxes the size of yo momma

[calm shard]

by having a combined total level of about 1500 across all classes and the poxbreaker title

also the pre-order frame, and moebian 21st insignia

the game was rigged from the start if you have none of these things to ease the minds of insecure morons

[limpid ferry]

what mark/perks/blessing do yall like for tac axe

rn my tac is mk6/carapace-flak/headtaker-BM

[hollow ibex]

there isn't a mk6 is there?

you eman mk7?

[limpid ferry]

atrox mkIv bro

[surreal rune]

is there any reason for running the antax axe over the rashad?

[limpid ferry]

speed

[hollow ibex]

that's mk4...

[limpid ferry]

oh misread

[dapper coyote]

Iv is 4

[hollow ibex]

shits and giggles i guess

[dapper coyote]

VII is 7

[tall torrent]

special atk for stagger

and the push atk does slightly more cleave

but
dmg is worse
and heavy atks are much slower

[surreal rune]

heavy 1 somehow missing every target i actually want to kill

[tall torrent]

also can't cancel L1 into push atk

[hollow ibex]

it's funny on arbi

[limpid ferry]

smaller axe has more cleave like what the fuck

[tall torrent]

they're both combat axe

[limpid ferry]

is rashads bis perk/blessing still capace-flak/bm-headtaker

tac axe is dif weapon than combat axe

[tall torrent]

unarmored carapace

[limpid ferry]

unarmored for rashad??? WHY?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/storage/sites/darktide/enemies/dCbdwup7bNexQP8t6NzkLxJBiL27Nt4ASPdzp06Z.png

cuz these fuckers

[limpid ferry]

they got armor wym

[limpid ferry]

im fairly certain my rashad passes their headshot breakpoint without unarmored and only a couple stacks of headtaker

also, gonna crash out if we dont get fucking tempestus scion helmet alt colors like red and black'

[hollow ibex]

you'll need unarmored if you want to consistently hit the breakpoint

[tall torrent]

no

it's just

kind of a pain in the ass to have to maintain skirmisher + EW

just to be able to BM these guys

[limpid ferry]

EW?

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness

[hollow ibex]

yeah hence the consistently part

[limpid ferry]

they really need to just have all buffs that add stacks decay 1 stack at a time

[livid sphinx]

Okay question so I just got back to playing darktide after a month or two and suddenly everyone is a scroob in my auric games

Either they're a noob or I got washed

What's happening

Was there like a sale or something that just happened

[limpid ferry]

class announcement best guess

[orchid hemlock]

When was the last patch you played on?

[calm shard]

okay this serrated blade shit goes wild

serrated blade knife, double barrel, shredder grenades+grenadier

blood wizard whose specialization is in removing blood from the enemy

[hollow ibex]

yeah bleedmaxxing is very funny

[hybrid plover]

bleedmaxxing is strong as hell now

[livid sphinx]

The one with the massive skill tree rework

for vet psker and zealot

also when the DS got "nerfed"

[calm shard]

I'm also using infiltrate for EVEN MORE bleed damage

[tall torrent]

this is normal

[calm shard]

the setup

[tall torrent]

ngl I kinda want to take CK + O4B/OYT just for stalker spam

tuff decision

[calm shard]

yeah I was tempted to do that instead of double stealth

but I like my +30% damage uptime

or I could drop stam delay for it

[tall torrent]

but doing that removes grenadier for krak

[orchid hemlock]

the majority of people who are cracked at the game left to do havocs

there is no reason to play aurics anymore once you max out on resources

[calm shard]

uh yeah here's my reasons for playing aurics and not havocs

1. Queueing with randoms is annoying

2. Stimms

3. I don't like the limited map pool

4. Bad randoms in Havoc are so much worse than auric bad randoms because they're convinced they're good

5. STIMMS

[livid sphinx]

Did they say if there will be balance changes in the new class patch?

[calm shard]

Be a bit weird if there wasn't

God willing it will nerf Psyker, Rumbler, and Power Sword

[tall torrent]

no, so don't expect anything

[livid sphinx]

Ohhh I think I understand now

A lot of vets in my games have been using smoke

[sharp epoch]

rumbler and power sword are really not as strong as you think

both have glaring weaknesses to their strengths

[calm shard]

you see glaring weaknesses

I see slight inconveniences

That do nothing to hold them back from being competition for the best melee/ranged weapon in the game

[sharp epoch]

rumbler for one sucks at anything that isn't ogryns, if youre going for gunners or armor it doesnt do anything

power sword has one of the worst mobillity stats in the game along with the power mechanic

[calm shard]

are you trolling?

[livid sphinx]

wtf

[calm shard]

because this sounds like ragebait

there is zero way you genuinely believe that if you have used the rumbler even a single time

[sharp epoch]

I've used rumbler in h40 and actually prefer hstubber to it

its only use is to one shot reapers

stagger bulwarks and crushers maybe too, anything else is not worth the ammo use

[tepid otter]

[calm shard]

okay well I think you're completely delusional but I'd like to ask a simple question before I boot up a havoc 40 rot armor+stimms death stack in the psykhanium

How many grenades do you think it would be reasonable to wipe 5 crushers, 4 bulwarks, 15 scab ragers, and like I dunno lets say 60 poxwalkers or so by myself

Oh also like 8 maulers

we'll add them too

[sharp epoch]

gunlugger or the meta taunt build?

[calm shard]

could do either

it'd be a hell of a lot easier on glug

would take like maybe 20 seconds

and most of that'd be cleaning up the crushers

melee is gonna be power maul btw

[sharp epoch]

meta taunt build will probably need 5-6 shots to kill one crusher which is abyssmal

[calm shard]

though I would consider using PBB for it to be approaching gimmick build territory

[calm shard]

already tested with rot armor the rumbler itself takes like...9-ish?

does 1000 damage

[sharp epoch]

9 for one crusher is bad

[calm shard]

goes down to 4 with glug fire

[sharp epoch]

you have like what 45 total ammo?

[calm shard]

38

with the ammo talent

but they're also rot armor why are you shooting them anyways

especially considered shattering impact gives free AoE brittleness

[sharp epoch]

I mean yeah theyre only for reapers if you're being realistic with your ammo

even gunners and specials your wasting two shots to kill normally

[calm shard]

good thing that's not really your job as ogryn unless everything has gone sideways

[austere mica]

Reminder that rumbler can have infinite ammo extremely easily

[calm shard]

anyways back to the question

[sharp epoch]

with a glugger build, which is not the meta build

[calm shard]

how many grenades do you think it'd be reasonable to expend to kill this group of enemies

a pretty standard hav 40 rot armor pack

by myself

with no help

on taunt build

[sharp epoch]

with just your gun you probably cant

on rot armor

[calm shard]

Oh with my gun it'd be a hell of a lot faster

It'd just be a waste of resources

[sharp epoch]

your saying with the melee too?

[calm shard]

yeah obv it's rumbler

it's not built to be a primary

[sharp epoch]

i mean theres no point in using it other than the little stagger it does then your basically saying how fast can my melee kill them

i dont think rumblers OP its just discount trauma staff excpet its better for bosses and reapers

worse for armor and everything else basically

[hybrid plover]

rumbler itself

isn't op

[calm shard]

so this is the enemy group here

havoc 40 healthpools

rager blob back here

I could spread them out if you think them being so grouped is unfair in the rumbler's favor when I turn their AI on

If this takes me longer than like I'd say a minute and a half to kill all of them even with my inexperience on ogryn I would be shocked

Gonna limit myself to say...5 rumbler grenades so it's not too easy

that much would be easy to regen from a vet aura or just grabbing a few ammo tins

game crashed

typical psykhanium behaviour

[calm shard]

I suck too much at ogryn to get out of this without getting hit lmao

getting a clip only being hit once or twice is probably the best I personally can do

https://imgur.com/a/FnKwVi3 best of like 8 attempts to get through this hitless and I'm just not good enough at ogryn xd

but still havoc 40 rot armor+stimms doomstack in a minute

actually only used 4 nades

psykhanium is bad for rumbler too cause enemies don't group as tightly

[silver patrol]

i love the ogryn maul until it have to swing it in melee

then i hate the ogryn maul

[distant mural]

Rumbler is stupidly broken.

[azure narwhal]

I don't play ogryn but that weapon is absolutely beautiful

[sharp epoch]

yea youd be dead in a h40

that overhead is an instadown

and I don't see how this clip means rumbler is broken

[calm shard]

3 bulwarks died to the first 2 shots, every single poxwalker and...4 ragers?

the explosions apply brittleness with shattering impact too so they boost the damage you whole team does to them

and that was like the guaranteed value you get from it

2 shots is guaranteed because of Back Off

3 is relatively common

with an actual team this whole doomstack would be dead in 20 seconds

with zero resources invested

[sharp epoch]

meh if there were any specials on you like a regular h40 youre probably cooked and you were dead anyways on the overhead

its good for damage but its a build that is heavily limited by ammo and struggles in melee and survivabillity

[calm shard]

dog you are focusing on one mistake I made in the clip and not the entire group being dead in a single minute xd

also uh news flash rumbler 2 shots most specialists too

and 2 shots is the guaranteed amount you get before reload

[sharp epoch]

I mean it took you 8 attempts to get that, and havoc is that 80% of that the whole time not just one pack you will not survive playing like that

[calm shard]

yeah I also am not completely alone in the absolute worst area possible for the rumbler in 80% of havoc

[sharp epoch]

A regular rotten armor crusher pack is like 2x the amount too, rumbler is fine for destroying aurics and low havocs but h40 your gonna get smashed

[distant mural]

Rumbler broken get over it

It needs a big fat nerf

[sharp epoch]

I don't even care I don't use it, hstubber has way more versatillity

[atomic void]

Current havoc is a clown fiesta exactly cause shit like rumbler exists

[distant mural]

Because it trivializes EVERY engagement

Against every enemy

[distant mural]

Thats also not true the h stubber needs a fat buff

Its really lacking in havoc now

[calm shard]

what you are doing here is effectively arguing that the inferno staff is bad because it can't kill gunners when they're far away

plasma is bad because it can't kill monstrosities which are common in havoc

that's the argument you're making effectively

because rumbler "can't kill specialists" which it can

and is good at it because it's one of the ogryn weapons with no spread

[sharp epoch]

the difference is the class has tools that let you kill those things like brain burst

[calm shard]

ogryn rock is a specialist killer

[sharp epoch]

rock is not gonna let you kill as much specialists as you think

you get 3 lol

[calm shard]

it sure does if you aren't terrible at aiming it

and bother to use the upgrade

[sharp epoch]

I mean whats easier brain bursting a 100m target or landing a headshot rock 100m

[atomic void]

The rock unironically

Fat ass hitbox

[sharp epoch]

😬

[atomic void]

No need to hold it

[calm shard]

I don't think brain burst has infinite range...

It might as well but I don't actually think it can target an enemy at 100 meters

[austere mica]

When are you ever attacking an enemy 100 meters away

[sharp epoch]

I'm just saying rumbler can't deal with gunners or long range specialist as efficient or as well as hstubber, what it does good is reapers and bulwarks

[calm shard]

you shoot literally one grenade at them and they're all staggered/suppressed

wdym

shoot both and you'll even kill some of them

[sharp epoch]

if theyre in a big group yeah

if theyre spread out your running out of ammo

[calm shard]

good thing rumbler has infinite ammo

[sharp epoch]

two shots each gunner is not efficient

[calm shard]

ammo economy might be something to worry about if it weren't for this elephant standing in the room

[sharp epoch]

yes youre also locked to the glugger keystone if you want to do that

most meta builds run heavy hitter

[azure narwhal]

Im gonna eat you little blueberry

I want blueberry juice

[sharp epoch]

i mean just try it out for yourself see how it goes

[hybrid plover]

hstubber is fucking weird in havoc

[sharp epoch]

I think its decent, kills most specials in one shot, gunners now are two shot with the hp increase, reapers are two

[hybrid plover]

Damage numbers just always feel off enough for the things you feel like you should be killing in a reasonable time to me.

[calm shard]

yeah the usual is kickback or rumbler for the stagger

[hybrid plover]

Two shot on gunners is not exactly a great selling point with how unwieldy it is.

[calm shard]

though I run GG because I hate specialists xd

[hybrid plover]

And well.

[calm shard]

actually I just remembered my first H40 clear this "season" was with a rumblergryn hang on lemme dig up the scoreboard for that

[sharp epoch]

It was one shot before they buffed the scab hp, but now its a bit worse because its two now

[hybrid plover]

There's a lot of gunners too.

[sharp epoch]

the good thing is it also has cleave so you can hit multiple gunners like plasma

[calm shard]

bop

I was exe vet with Helbore IV in this match

[sharp epoch]

It's probably the most ammo efficient and one of the fastest ways ogryn can kill them still, rumbler and gg are very ammo hungry

[calm shard]

psyker was shriek inferno iirc

okay found the actual scoreboard

power DI is neat

and this guy over the course of a h40 match did a full fucking million over 2 glass cannon playstyles

as rumblergryn

was wrong tho psyker was bubble not shriek

[sharp epoch]

I think this was when stagger was bugged

it made the pmaul and rumbler really broken

now pmaul has barely any stagger on the autos

it would knock around people like bully club

whats the date

[calm shard]

would that have made him do 1 million damage more than an inferno psyker

was uh

10/22/2025

[sharp epoch]

welp it was after it then

must have been a bad psyker then and a long game

cause thats like 8 mil dmg total

[calm shard]

psyker was 2nd least damage taken in lobby

also yeah def a long one

which would favor the psyker more if ammo was a real concern for rumbler but alas

was a rotten armor game too iirc but I cannot remember what the other modifier was

[sharp epoch]

probably healing

it gives the most damage

[hybrid plover]

no, rumbler ogryns very often do this kind of damage

[calm shard]

this is the norm for that build xd

[hybrid plover]

it's the same concept as to why double barrel vet is so potent

[calm shard]

but with a grenade launcher that doesn't care about carapace

[hybrid plover]

covers a lot of ground with its projectiles and explosions and the damage is much more bursty

[calm shard]

if it's not rotten armor it'll actually kill carapace too

[sharp epoch]

most glugger ogryns I have it just ends up they run out of ammo and they die and we die

[calm shard]

glug moment

twink/ripper gunlugger is really fun but kinda locked to aurics because of the ammo situation

I think twink could Maybe work if you exclusively used it with PBB to delete rooms or particularly thick hordes

[sharp epoch]

well I'm also talking about lucky bullet rumbler ogryns that run taunt they also do that I haven't had any successful runs with them

[calm shard]

kickback there's no real point to going glug wit it

rumbler infinite grenade generator

caveat you have to actually play melee

[sharp epoch]

pmaul as your melee is pretty easy

[calm shard]

yeah

[sharp epoch]

its light spam until your specials up

it was a lot better defensively when stagger was bugged now its eh

[atomic void]

Thammer was so good when stagger was bugged

[calm shard]

I think calling it "eh" is a massive understatement

that special does a fuckton of aoe damage

radius is gigantic too

also it's technically a melee hit so it applies skullcrusher/soften them up etc.

[hot dragon]

Guys for Killshot Ready penance is going shotgun into hordes the easiest ?

I tried lasgun sniping but it’s slow af

[calm shard]

is that the MMF one?

just take the 15 stacks thing and go swing a power sword or something into hordes

doesn't have to be ranged kills you just need to be at or above 10 stacks

[charred drum]

The 2500 kills with 15 stacks?

[hot dragon]

It’s killing 2500 with 10 stacks

Yes

[calm shard]

yeah just builds stacks with like

a shotgun or recon lasgun or something

and go melee shit

[charred drum]

Pardon, 10 I think I used a recon las for it

[hot dragon]

Ok thanks

[livid fractal]

any1 got a fun stealth vet buiild

friend of mine has been playing stealth/support vet and theyre having a ton of fun with it

[spark helm]

What do you like using already and for what difficulties?

[livid fractal]

im kinda an everywoman tbh
i wasnt huge on vet before the tree rework, but ive been having a ton of fun with accatran las now

i ADORE the basic autoguns, esp Headhunters, but i know they are in a rough spot rn

same with Kant

I also wanna try shredder, but im not sure how well it would work on a stealth build

[spark helm]

Vraks7 still pretty solid with a melee that backs it up imo.

[livid fractal]

honestly vraks7 with a stealth build sounds great

[spark helm]

What's some of your melees?

Ones you enjoy and already have.

Especially higher masteries just in case

[calm shard]

huh

all 3 vigilants and 2/3 infantry autos are quite strong right now

and shredder autopistol is okay

[livid fractal]

oh good to know

[distant mural]

You can run shredder with anything

Its still good horde cc

[calm shard]

the grenade or the gun?

[livid fractal]

autopistol

[distant mural]

Ahhhhh

[calm shard]

I think it's better on exe but it's a very good sidearm

[distant mural]

Thats abyssmal sry

[calm shard]

you can use inspiring barrage to make it very strong pocket toughness regen

it has excellent mobility, hits Hard on crits

can sprint while firing by default

and has good stagger+suppression

[livid fractal]

also I don't have any high mastery melees for vet
my highest are Combat Blade (9), Chainsword (7), CAxe (6), PSword (4)

[distant mural]

I dont like but it can be fun on auric

[calm shard]

it's fun in havoc too

[livid fractal]

I do have this

and this

[calm shard]

the toughness regen is a lifesaver especially on vet who can't normally get it back without using their ability or killing something

[spark helm]

Out of all of these which one would you hapoen to have a solid enough drop for? And which would you maybe want to focus on developing?

[distant mural]

Chainaxe def preferrable over sword

[livid fractal]

holy shit fr?

when did that happen

[spark helm]

If you really want to do Infiltrate yeah. I'd agree.

[distant mural]

In my opinion yes

[mortal aspen]

you have 5%/s passively

Exe is another 10%/s

perma

[spark helm]

I haven't tried the chainsword yet after the patch so I wouldn't know. I've heard positive things but I haven't tried myself.

[distant mural]

Chainaxe is verx decent now

I like it on vet

[livid fractal]

yeah so tl;dr my friend has been running stealth/support and basically focusing using smokes to deal with ranged hordes and the stealths to keep people alive

[spark helm]

Mhm.

You wanna infiltrate and scrap then?

[livid fractal]

infiltrate and scrap?

[spark helm]

Fight

[distant mural]

I would switch to shredder nades or krak

Especially with a shredder autopistil

I would take kraks

Or u will have trouble with carapace

[spark helm]

What's the uh

[livid fractal]

oh I was just throwing out shredder as an idea, I honestly wanna use Vraaks 7

[spark helm]

The mark you're using for your chainaxe

[distant mural]

Kraks are very good

[livid fractal]

i wouldn't mind that

[livid fractal]

what is the difference?

[spark helm]

Cool so we're doing an infiltrate build running chainaxe and infantry autogun.

Any grenade is up to your mood. Shredders can help you out with horde approaches and even softening up tougher boys (and even setting them up by making them fall over for your chainaxe for example). Krak is a powerful burst tool for bigger tougher targets and help you lean more towards specials and elites. Smoke for a general sort of utility tool where your imagination is the sauce.

[livid fractal]

wait, infantry auto?

[spark helm]

I think the one that isn't the default is a lot better for single target.

[spark helm]

Mhm.

[livid fractal]

not Headhunter?

[distant mural]

Attack pattern

[spark helm]

You prefer vigilant autoguns?

I thought we were using the vraks7 infantry autogun.

[distant mural]

Vigilants are better

[livid fractal]

wait what

since when was vraaks 7 infantry

[spark helm]

They did a whole name change ages ago.

[livid fractal]

oh wtf it's a Graia now

Graia VII, my b

[spark helm]

Np. Np

[mortal aspen]

they renamed a bunch of weapons

[livid fractal]

tho

[spark helm]

If you knew what ciag was back then, that's the vraks7. The tiniest one

[livid fractal]

lemme go nab the vraaks VII rq

ill see how I feel abt it

[spark helm]

Just for clarity: you want to use vigilant autoguns or infantry autoguns?

[livid fractal]

i haven't touched IAGs in AGES, I wanna go check how I feel abt em rq

[spark helm]

Mhm

[livid fractal]

before I confirm

[spark helm]

And I got my marks wrong too I think.

Double-checking.

[livid fractal]

also there is no Vraaks VII, it's only Vraks V and Collumnus VIII

and Agripinaa I

oh wow, agri IAG is really crispy

i actually might wanna go IAGs

[livid fractal]

unless there's a way to make Vigis consistently 1 tap specialist heads imma go IAG

[spark helm]

I wouldn't know how to manage it with infiltrate compared to executioner stance.

[livid fractal]

oh that's fair

I can def run Headhunter, that's no big deal

oh im dumb

nvm

yeah IAGs

[spark helm]

Never tried that one so I wouldn't have much of a clue. And are you talking about the blessing.

Ah np

So

[livid fractal]

headhunter is what Vigis used to be called

[spark helm]

Oh yeah you're right

[livid fractal]

i like. havent touched any of these guns in years lol

[spark helm]

I felt like that was what it was but I forgot the name change fr lel

So iag and chaxe

[livid fractal]

so yeah, IAG/CHAxe stealth support

[spark helm]

Neat

Do you want to be more heavy on the utility?

[livid fractal]

absolutely

im kinda in my support arc atm

also dumb question - does Rev It Up have any merit

[spark helm]

I haven't touched it in a long time so i couldn't tell you.

Tbh, I'd say for chainaxe questions, try looking it up in the chat search because I forgot what folks were saying and I haven't used chaxe in stealth builds for a while.

Even if you're going a more support route, you'll definitely want to get the most out of the weapon.

[calm shard]

no

[spark helm]

I guess what's the idea of your stealth support vet?

Like the vibe for the feel you'd want.

[calm shard]

I kinda feel like stealth is the only vet ability that doesn't do support?

Bit weird

[livid fractal]

friend of mine has been using to to get resses, do the hacking minigames, get into positions, use smokes to cut off sightlines

[calm shard]

yeah you can use it to do objective but like

[spark helm]

It's weird but doable. Mostly just trying to figure out what tweaks. It's basically a more standard vet stealth build but with some specific features.

[calm shard]

VoC can do the rez thing too because big AoE stun

[livid fractal]

i always do VoC when I play vet

[spark helm]

They're specifically looking for infiltrate

So it sounds like you want smokes

How badly do you want to not be targeted?

[livid fractal]

ideally as much as possible

also im thinking middle keystone for sure

if it fits

[spark helm]

I haven't used chaxe with focus target but you can Definitely just swap some things as a variation.

[calm shard]

chaxe can be good with focus target

WS is better for it but that also is the only fully selfish keystone so

womp womp

[spark helm]

Mhm and she wants support.

[calm shard]

what gun were they using?

[spark helm]

@livid fractal you care if you need to stand your ground and/or fight your way out?

[livid fractal]

I can do that decently well usually

[spark helm]

Cool cool

[livid fractal]

oh I figured out why vigis felt like crap

i didnt have any perks up

still gonna stick with IAG tho

[spark helm]

Ah fuck uh

I actually don't know if chaxe plays with onslaught on revs

[calm shard]

it doesn't

[spark helm]

I don't think it does

[calm shard]

all chain weapons "chain" attacks are one hit

[spark helm]

It's not per tick

[calm shard]

regardless of appearances

[spark helm]

Right okay

[calm shard]

also chainaxe has comically high carapace damage anyways so

[spark helm]

Mhm. Just making sure because I always forget it.

[calm shard]

Mk IV 3 shot light attacking auric crushers 💀

[livid fractal]

holy

[livid fractal]

wait like the rev light????? or just gnomebliterating them

[calm shard]

no just regular lights

Mk IV has no reason to use rev because the light attacks do SO much damage

[livid fractal]

how

[calm shard]

they hit twice and have very generous ADMs

+chaxe gets headtaker and slaughterer

[livid fractal]

am I missing like a blessing or smthn???

[calm shard]

so it can get some comically high damage boosts when it's clearing trash

[livid fractal]

oh thatd do it

yeah so honestly i mostly just need help figurin out the weapon setups and my trree

where tree go

[spark helm]

Hmm that was the wrong one I think hold on

[calm shard]

this weapon is neat

[livid fractal]

oh yeah is the double barrel any good? it looks really funny

[calm shard]

actually it might be able to 2 shot if you really embrace full damage memes gimme a sec

[calm shard]

top 3 guns on vet

[livid fractal]

not for this build ofc but

WAIT FR???

ok I gotta build that next

[calm shard]

and by FAR the fiercest competition that the inferno staff has in terms of horde clear

[livid fractal]

I adore DB shotguns

horde clear????\

[calm shard]

yeah

DB turns crowds to paste

[spark helm]

There we go. I think I had some other one i posted there.

Give this one a try in the psykanium because I definitely am not too sure about this from like a pilot perspective.

[livid fractal]

i assumed it would be a "point blank it into a boss" gun

[calm shard]

of any size/enemy composition that isn't carapace center mass

[livid fractal]

a Pilot perspective?

[spark helm]

Took into account your interest in doubling down.

[spark helm]

Playing it myself.

[calm shard]

take tinker and drop demo team imo

smokes super don't need demo team

30 second duration n' all

[spark helm]

She really wants to be playing with support utility from what she mentioned before. Idea there is for her to just always have something in abundance for later/liberal use.

[calm shard]

also neither of their weapons benefit from rending

IAG is crit reliant, Chaxe has good ADMs already

[spark helm]

Look it's an old habit at this point lmao

[calm shard]

dreadful memories of the +10% coherency toughness regeneration node that used to be there

[spark helm]

I just do it but yeah. Good to know for the chaxe since like I said, haven't touched it since unlocked and unloaded for infiltrate.

[livid fractal]

so what need be changed

I don't see Demo Team being super useful so I might swap that for Tinkerer

seeing as I'd have to be throwing 2 grenades a minute to burn thru all my smokes with tinkerer and stockpile

[spark helm]

You can swap the rending talent towards the toughness node. Maybe if you don't personally want demolition team take no one left behind in the middle final tier or tinkerer like gun vet enjoyer mentioned (personally agree with it fr)

[calm shard]

okay full damage juicing meme build does infact 2 shot light attack crushers

I am satisfied

[spark helm]

Try seeing what your damage is like without the 8 stack for focus target. If you can kill crushers well enough maybe swap it with something else.

Maybe one of the top nodes since you got an iag.

[livid fractal]

lemme try that

[spark helm]

Like crushers in melee specifically on your revs.

Oh and for your perks and blessings on chaxe

[livid fractal]

well

I can 1 shot heresy crushers with a revved melee

which isn't perfect but it should do Fine until I get proper blessings on chaxe

[spark helm]

Oh yeah your masteries are lower

Np

What you got on yours right now? Might be worth thinking about this part ahead of time while you grind things out slightly.

If you like the chaxe a lot, maybe go for maxing it oit asap or at least getting the blessings you want to focus to max asap.

[livid fractal]

im thinking thats what im gonna work on

now I just gotta get a min mobility IAG roll

there was a min stability one in the shop 😭

[spark helm]

What u got rn?

Ah

Well...I mean.

How...badly do you wanna be able to aim? 🤣

[livid fractal]

heres what I got rn

not the end of the world I dont think

[spark helm]

Oh.

No.

Pfft

[livid fractal]

which IAG variant should I be using once I get there?

[spark helm]

I haven't used anything but the vraks 5.

So I wouldn't know with greater confidence yet.

[livid fractal]

which one is the most stable

[spark helm]

Vraks 5 is what I'd say is the safest. It's like the infantry autogun.

[livid fractal]

aight awesome

[spark helm]

Hasn't been dethroned in years.

[livid fractal]

thats the mastery 3 one so should get it in a mission or two

oh what perks/blessings do I want on the weps

[spark helm]

Go for the dumdum and fire frenzy blessings.

[calm shard]

none of them

Vraks 5 is a short range death laser that is the literal highest DPS gun in the entire game

[livid fractal]

i mean i know theyre not gonna be immensely stable either way but

[livid fractal]

yknow what sure I can do that

[calm shard]

Agripinaa trades a lot of DPS for much better range

[spark helm]

Vraks 5 not that hard to stay on target imo but that's just me ig.

You confident in your shooting under pressure at range? @livid fractal

[calm shard]

Vraks has very harsh damage falloff that starts early

[livid fractal]

im not bad at it

i think the build also would just work for a headhunter auto if I end up not liking vraaks, they seem to want the same things

[spark helm]

Where at exactly? I'll admit that I just gorilla the fuck out of that thing and get it done. Pain in the ass for midrange sometimes.

[spark helm]

Main issue there is is that I'm not confident in infiltrate giving you what you'd need/want. Since you are in heresy, we could do it like that though.

It might just cost more points.

[livid fractal]

then again I have smokes to get in close anyways

[spark helm]

This is also true.

[livid fractal]

i might swap back to demo stockpile cuz i just realized thats gonna print grenades on damnation+

[spark helm]

Yes yes.

If you want lethals it's even better.

[livid fractal]

can stockpile do enough to be worth dropping tinker?

er

wait

no i got my perks wrong

demo stockpile is once per 60s

demo team is elites = grenades

could demo team do enough to drop stockpile on higher difficulties?

cuz honestly i really wanna keep tinkerer and the revive perk

[spark helm]

Stockpile is s passive helper since you can't always know how many nades you may need to use. Demolition team rewards you for backing up whoever you need to. And it scales with better teammates, your kills on vips, etc.

[calm shard]

probably?

gonna be annoying if director is sleepy tho

[spark helm]

If you really don't want it and want to depend more on demolition team to take leave no one behind go for it.

I personally think of it like this: I want to be able to have something in case I can buy time to cycle a nade/i just happen to get a nade--oops got two more from lucky rolls on demo team.

Gambling

[livid fractal]

i mean its really just a matter of mission type i think

[spark helm]

Just with insurance on a timer.

This too

[livid fractal]

demo team will be better on missions with higher elite concentration

stockpile will be better otherwise

[spark helm]

As long as you're just dropping bodies, you'll be able to spin it.

And fwiw, both in combination is very valuable at higher difficulties since the base volume of vips is just higher by default before extra modifiers.

Having that tempo for a free nade helps a lot in longer gauntlet engagements, any kind of eternal horde event, etc.

This goes up when we start talking about lethal nade options as you probably already know.

Dropping stockpile in this context mostly just means you and whoever you're around might be tasked more by actually racking up those kills.

[livid fractal]

thats fair

i just dont see what else I could lose to fit the perks I want

[spark helm]

mm.

Since it's heresy.

mmm nvm

lemme do a redo on this tree.

[livid fractal]

im pretty happy with the tree as js

if nothing else i can drop the revive perk if I reslly need the grenades

[spark helm]

@calm shardwasn't it uh unarmoured and maniacs for the better chaxe?

err

carapace and maniacs/unyielding?

[calm shard]

I have carapace maniacs on mine

so probably the latter

[spark helm]

@livid fractal

You could probably use a second opinion on the chaxe spread because its been a minute and I don't really remember what people discussed about it like three weeks ago.

[limpid ferry]

what blessing/perks/mark is good for dueling sword?

[spark helm]

Uncanny Strike + Precognition/Riposte/Thrust/Agile imo.

[spark helm]

Oh yeah @livid fractal maybe don't bother with unyielding for the vraks and go flak instead. Safest generalist bet that you seem to be more interested in.

[distant mural]

Unyield is not bad on vet ranged for reapers and maybe bosses. Especially if you dont have it on your melee.

[calm shard]

I prefer defences dump on it but chaxe does love its push attack

[spark helm]

She says that she's still building up her masteries and mentioned being in heresy for the time being. Figured unyielding might not be too needed here

[spark helm]

I really like having that added safety on the PA's personally, even as a mobility fiend.

[distant mural]

I wouldnt put 4 points in the middle keystone

Put some on the left side instead and get extra ammo

[spark helm]

Only reason why the doubling down is happening is from her own wishes for wanting to push utility even harder tbh

[distant mural]

I would just drop it entirely tbh

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant mural]

Just my two cents

[spark helm]

They made up their mind fr. I get what you're saying though. If they were down to play with a bit more damage on average then yeah, I'd personally trim away from the bottom enough to just pass weak point dmg at bare minimum.

[distant mural]

Also field improv is really not needet below haboc

[spark helm]

Again, they explicitly said that they wanted to be doubling down on support features.

And they're still getting more of their arsenal squared away.

[undone jungle]

just a small heads up, the mk4 chaxe apparently is one of those few weird weapons with a max cleave limit of 5 no matter the strength/cleave, that is to say you can probably drop slaughterer in favor of something else

[spark helm]

They'll be fine.

[hot dragon]

I tried Killshot penance with shotgun as we discussed this morning. I think it’s really easier to maintain focus stacks like this almost all map long. Did almost 500 kills in one map like that

[distant mural]

Strenght is not just cleave

[undone jungle]

i edited my message

and ik

its damage, stagger, cleave

[spark helm]

What would you consider tbh?

[distant mural]

I think its the best option tbh

[spark helm]

I went with it for ease of entry.

and flexibility of access ig.

[undone jungle]

to be honest i still think its tied best too, but some people do like bloodletter on mk4

[spark helm]

I'm actually gonna play around wit this myself because I need an excuse to use chax.

[undone jungle]

its honestly pretty alright on vet

[spark helm]

It's been a while.

[undone jungle]

i dont like the alternate one with wet noodle lights

[distant mural]

Chainaxe is very fun

[spark helm]

And I started using power axe in space marines 2

[undone jungle]

although apparently that one doesnt have a 5 cleave limit

[compact oracle]

it doesnt

[spark helm]

I'm back on my axe shit.

[distant mural]

One if the better vet weapons

[compact oracle]

i prefer it personally but im a simple "heavy big enemies, light everything else" enjoyer

[spark helm]

Which mark fares best?

[distant mural]

The one with strikedown on heavys

[spark helm]

I'm probably gonna just crash course warm up in a maelstrom.

[hot dragon]

Opposite is fine too like MK1 shovel 😃

[undone jungle]

technically the XII has the single highest instance of damage if you do thrust + headtaker with a heavy rev attack

better than thammer although WAY harder to pull off

imho though i'd probably just run slaughter+headtaker on XII esp on vet since you might as well benefit from the better cleave cap

leave the boss 1 shots to zealots running chastise builds

both are decent on vet its really up to preference tho

IV has a fantastic push attack and the light spam on it deals with smaller elites like ragers very well

[spark helm]

Might try thrust since I'm running infiltrate with this one.

[undone jungle]

XII has a good push attack for hitting ragers too

[spark helm]

Infiltrate/voc and ws/ft depending on my mood.

[undone jungle]

oh yeah in that case you can totally pull of a fully charged rev attack

ive never tried that but that sounds kinda fun

[spark helm]

I haven't done it in a while but I like playing around and infiltrate is one of my favorites anyway.

[undone jungle]

the biggest downside of the XII is the lights feel bad

[spark helm]

How bad we talking?

[undone jungle]

you'll get what i mean by wet noodle

[undone jungle]

they're not bad, especially with strength% stacking

they just feel bad

[spark helm]

Hm.

[undone jungle]

audio design, animations etc.

[spark helm]

Bleed worth playing with?

[undone jungle]

I prob wouldn't on the XII tbh

[spark helm]

I'm going for a more self-sufficient style.

[undone jungle]

or do you mean Serrated Blade

[spark helm]

Thinking about the bleed blessings yeah.

spinning it off the talent.

[undone jungle]

I mean you could try, but I think most people run bloodletter with IV

[mortal aspen]

Heavy Sword lights are prob the worst feeling attacks in the game

[calm shard]

fuck knows why when the Mk IV's lights do so much goddamn damage

[undone jungle]

DClaws are even worse

still

[calm shard]

not even close dude

[undone jungle]

I mean at least Heavy Swords have strength blessings

and totally not Brutal Momentum

or did they rework that blessing

I forgot

[mortal aspen]

again, just by audiovisual feedback

[undone jungle]

ah that's what you mean

yeah then I agree

XIIs are a close 2nd tho

[calm shard]

I don't agree gameplay wise either :/

[undone jungle]

I wish they just gave DClaws better blessings

maybe some unique ones

after parrying increase attack speed and finesse damage or something

why do they have hammerblow and scrusher

5 of their blessings are impact related

its a sword

[calm shard]

5 impact blessings

fuck all base stagger

fatshark moment

[undone jungle]

It's so bizarre

it'd be cool if maybe some of the moveset hit with the blunt side of the blade or something

I wouldn't be surprised of the DClaw lights had some of the lowest stagger values in the game tho lmao

[spark helm]

Just gonna give it a spin.

[compact oracle]

good luck

i know theres apparently some funny bleed stuff you can do with chaxe but never tried it

[thorn lark]

It's called deathblow

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/Y5XShjL at least the Mk VII's damage profile is pretty solid

still can't kill carapace for shit but it does good enough into everything else

I've started taking a liking to it as a sidearm for exe vet

Not like I need my melee to do carapace when the Helbore IV exists

[silver patrol]

damn how did that rager ragdoll

[undone jungle]

Yeah this ones kinda fun true

I wish they got Slaughterer

[calm shard]

I wish they didn't have 5 impact blessings

[undone jungle]

trvth

[thorn lark]

rampage skullcrusher?

[calm shard]

okay be real with me

[undone jungle]

Looks like Wrath + that one crit blessing

[calm shard]

IF I was using skullcrusher

Do you think it would have procced here?

[undone jungle]

XD

DClaw on Arbis would probably be viable

if they had it

[calm shard]

but no I think that clip is just shred+rampage

[undone jungle]

I seeeee

[calm shard]

rampage obviously not proccing because y'know

[undone jungle]

no wrath?

[calm shard]

scab ragers

rampage is 36% strength

[normal eagle]

not parrying them all, thats yer issue

[calm shard]

I use wrath these days tho just because more cleave feels gooderer

[undone jungle]

it's STRENGTH???

I thought Rampage was just damage

[thorn lark]

nah

[undone jungle]

huh

[thorn lark]

well you could have just parried them

[thorn lark]

wrong tooltip

another case of fatsharkese

[undone jungle]

huh Rampage is strength I'll be damned

[calm shard]

yeah but the context of me taking that clip was when I was talking about Mk VII having usable flak damage

[undone jungle]

I gotta start running it on my weapons now

[calm shard]

so I intentionally didn't parry because that would obviously just instantly kill them

to showcase that Mk VII's normal moveset can infact kill flak

[thorn lark]

with EW and serrated too?

[calm shard]

yeah serrated

but uh

what is EW?

[thorn lark]

exploit weakness

[calm shard]

I use it on my exe build exclusively so no

cba to spend the skill point on that when I could invest into GUN instead