#veteran-class
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Unyielding
Also.
You probably want Pinning Fire on bolter instead of Inspiring Barrage
Inspiring on bolt gun 😭
@hybrid plover had a go at your trench shotgunner build and it let me carry probably the worst pugs I've played with yet lol
so, working as intended
Another believer.
I am glad to see the way of the shovel coming forth with such fervour.
It's so much more fun than tac axe and Bolter. Literally just slide around two-piecing things and spamming shovel melee
double barrel with proper application is one of the best ranged weapons in the game
because it's the only thing that can actually go toe to toe with inferno in terms of raw killing potential with mixed horde clear
Didn't think DB would be that good tbh considering only 2 rounds
Even if it has quick reload
Never tried it tho so idk
Weapon Specialist nullifies that problem entirely
Well one of the perks is getting 1 round back upon elite/specialist kill
Or Always Prepared, specifically.
So as long as you're swapping between melee and ranged you'll only have to reload if you ADS
But it's genuinely the most fun I've had with Vet for a while. The overall feel is akin to how I run my Arby build
yeah WS is peak
this fucking guy
what happened?
listen to the audio
the assassin's creed poxbuster
how good is marksman's focus with recon lasguns
actually, what's recon lasguns' finesse/weakspot multiplier
She is quite a pretty boss
Is agile engagement good with reccy?
If they delayed it must be good then
delayed until update release
Delayed after release
Definitively after release
looks at the rations event
I liked that event
I've played worse events in worse games, was okay
Up until the part the options to destroy rashuns
Its not the event im trying to show here
Its the trailer for the event
Several days after the event then the trailer shows up
Oh right
WAIT A MINUTE
VETS SUPPOSED TO GET MELTA
HMMMMMMMMM
FATSHARK, WHERE'S MAH MELTA GUN!?
KASRKIN MENTIONED RAAAAAH RAAAAH
wtf is this, how do i fix this?
Go to each emote and pick a new or the same one
I already did that
Dont bother u never get to use that shit anyway
Except thumbs up on Ogryns
Because its funny
ogryn clap is the best emote smh
this guy makes me afraid
Old ass dude in the front lines is somethig you should aleays be afraid off
Thats why my Vet is called & looks like ‚Grandpa’

Bro considers Grendyl's warband a nursing home 
Moebian 6th is just entertainment to him
"back in MY days we put plasma guns in the face of giant heretics the size of a darnsh tank as entertainment, you whippersnappers!"
"Veteran? Pfft. Ive been a veteran for longer than you have been alive son"
"These rookies are so green and spoiled, we didn't have much gear in my time, just one mag of LasPistol ammo and spoiled coffe bags and we got shit done"
"you mean a LasPistol with one ammo mag right gramps?"
"I know what I said you hooligan!" *bonks you with a shovel
"Back in my days krak takes 5 business days to explode and we still busted a leman russ with it before it explodes"
why you all decided it was about age...
Rob Halford in the house
Because if that's not something surprising, considering the average lifespan of a guardsmen, then you were not paying attention
Guardsmen that live longer than one fight in a war are a rare and dangerous breed
the guy literally looks like stereotypical bdsm gay from 80s, and first thing you notice is age?
Is this the stereotypical thingaehatchashay? I thought that he looked rugged crazy Quijote in the 41th millennium, specially considering there are more crazy things around
No, you don't know anything about the lore, and "average guardsman life expictancy os 15 minute" is wrong myth
(stares as the BDSM mask of zealot and arby)
It's obviously an exaggeration, just leaning on the saying of "old man in a profession where people die young"
so when today does the announcement drop
Past midnight
I like old men

Is that rob halford
It’s on 18th, no?
Today’s 17th
Prob tmr mid-day
ah right
Yeah, a leather daddy. They're typically middle-aged to older men.
With a pegleg
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The ObeseFish cycle, the question is if we are currently in the "we're back" or the "we're so back"
I'd say we're in the back not so back
Yes
So we might land in the good timeline when the Felinid Bioweapon class is revealed? We're SO back!
(actual chances: 0.000%)
We are so not back
Average cycle of a havoc 40 game.
Class reveal tomorrow is exciting
Surely the announcement wouldn't be delayed a second time
second announcement is just the class being delayed entirely 
They will just announce that new class is Vet 2.0 
Isn’t that arbitrator?
Hellgun vet 
Fair!
I dont like anime
Me neither
An incomprehensibly funny outcome if they do delay it again
are shotguns worth it
i want to use shotguns for my catachan/doomslayer roleplay build
but their damage seems kinda meh honestly
very fun to use tho
The aggripina has very good damage.
Use it with flak/unyielding flak/maniac
It's more of a elite sniping weapon though.
theyll never be good vs carapace im guessing
It can do decent damage with the slug but it's honestly not worth the ammo past using it to quickly save a teammate from a overhead, or stagger
The best shotgun is arbies shotgun
vet 3 mentioned?
Arb shotty isn't even the best shotgun on arb tbh
Which diff?
Arby still likes the aggripina in higher havocs cause of ammo.
Damnation
double barrel is my favourite because of weapons specialists instant reload (doomslayer mode)
Yeah fair enough then, carry on
Yeah ammo is not a problem pre havoc so you can get away with using ammo hungry weapons.
Havoc i dont focus on range kills. I let others do it
Its not even the ammo in havoc
It feels like the exact same breakpoints as the VIII with 1.5x as much ammo
Its not like you're sacrificing anything for the ammo, yk?
Not on Arb anyway
Exec shotgun is no hail mary for ammo economy but i don't think it's necessarily problematic either. Depending on the mk, there's only so many things you're going to be inclined to shoot as arbitrator
once you get sustained fire and deathspitter going, the wideshot exec mark can kill hordes of elites pretty easily
like stupidly easy
it still has the electric shot for stunning enemies too
Ye exactly what i use
I used to play dogless for a very long time but im picking up dog for variety now
Still running practically the same BTL + Forceful build
Just switched lone wolf for electrocuted jaws and walk it off for the dog proximity toughness regen
I can get exactly what I run actually
This+HV/Execution Maul and Agri CS with No Respite and Full Bore
shovel mid
Trust me, it'll get buffed next patch
You are mid lil bro
db enjoyer when they have to hit anything past 2 meters
What diff?
Bolter Krak psword and ogryn
auric
Yeah, reasonable
2-3 secs diff 
Havoc prolly wouldve had 2 spawns and 975 poxwalkers, I could've figured that out tbh
My goat washed 
got lagged into an overhead while clutching
Relatable 💀
I get like 150~200fps in game with FG 2x
But Bath, Vet is a ranged class
You can't just use the best melee in the game to kill everything
vet is a melee class until psword get fucked over
That already happened
They nerfed PS actual ages ago and people baby raged about PC not giving 7 charged swings anymore
Remember when they nerfed the psword in the beta and vet mains review bombed
Yes
YEAH LOL
Yes I do
yea I used my gun too
can't relate since i first played in 23 and not vet
Ive been playing this fuck ass game since beta
I don't think I'm that bad but I cannot drag people through missions past Havoc 24 ish so I'm not good either
revolver actually has like the best breakpoints in the game now
at least on vet
1 crit bodyshot mauler
1 crit bodyshot reaper
almost 1 crit bodyshot scab rager
and its balanced against its ammo pool and reload loop
not sure tbh
the reload is ass
it's so much higher dmg than legit everything else besides helbore 4
weapon feel like shit without wp even then there srill limitations
85.6% ranged crit hit rate lmao
it hits like a truck, but BELIEVE ME you will feel that reload and ammo pool in a big fight
eh
it's alr
its usable, but that extra mental taxes make a difference
not much tbh
I cant speak to numbers but Revo feels better than Plas or HB to me
Like to simply use
with a dedicated ogryn watching your back you have all the room to blow crusher's heads so that is a thing
don't think I reloaded once in the first minute
probably the fact that its more responsive
Yes vet is indeed the ranged class
The power sword adds what? 40cm to my arm
So technically all my attacks are ranged
even if it not that much faster than fast charge plasma or non mk4 helbore
how does that WS build looks? i usually default to other weapons so im lacking a revolver version

was using this
I mean wife beater combo already exist
like curring heretic hands, stick them to sticks and tossing them?
Power fist when
auric HiSTG spawn rate pretty good rn (29 min game)
it's way faster than both
revolver's draw-to-fire at base is like 0.2s lol
swap to ogryn with cleaver or Club 
Ogryn knuckledusters when?
unstoppable momentum enjoyer take 3 business days to kill anything
But the enemies are staggered so much on its boldness that they also cant kill him in that time
Feels like endless specials rn lol
it's fun
Yeah I don’t mind it though it does get to the point where it feels like I’m just constantly shooting specialists
Because nobody else gives a shit
averange Quickplay explerience: you are the designated specialist killer because everyone else is to dumb to do it
bro I am playing exe stance already out of a desire to do this exact thing
I am not complaining about doing it more
Im just fighting a lot of scabs so it hurts my brautogun build. Flak I can do but maulers and crushers hurt alot
oh yeah brauto moment
being the worst ranged weapon in the game comes with its downsides
poor boy
don't mind doing that though at a certain point feels like a chore
auric match with 230+ specialist killed
by me alone
at least i think the scoreboard counts specs/disablers totally separate
I wouldn't know I use Power DI instead
It may be the worst gun but have you heard how it sounds with speed stimm or full combat specialist. My dreams of being a ork with a dakka will come one day.
Hate how spread lessens on the final shots
The brautogun doesn't care about ammo count, he will just steal it from the plasma vet

ammo wel expended because it sounded cool
maybe if it made that sound all the time
vigilant autogun sound changes have convinced me that guns need to sound cooler
me too. saving ammo by not continuously shooting between targets makes the spread bad again and again...
this is exactly why I would use Agri Brauto instead, even with its sluggish firerate and wide-ish spread when not running Exe Stance...
or just use the shredder autopistol like a sane person
low spread and a real damage profile
haven't used shredder on vet before, only on psyker...
maniac headshot dmg
mk IV
with +25% maniac perk, +25% flak, puncture, lethal prox
with this talent spec
because the dmg simply does not add up and I think it's his mods showing inaccurate information
Before the update I use brautogun for a suppression build and it did very well! I still do like 80% so it's not the 100 it was but heretics still fear me
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/18323976846577733254/22E56E30EE056E61E4D69FDC2CB16D55DAB18FCF/
this wat I get in auric meat grinder with no mods that should affect dmg display
ok so just mods being wack
another day another instance of healthbar turning out to be wrong
prob h40 meat grinder mod also being wack
gets 2022 with actually all of them
Lend me some ammo Helbore, this is base bomber were up against
no havoc flamer 1 shot XD
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05fc8fd-87c3-42af-ae54-3d0c611e9b77/dn-build-2 how does this build deal with crushers
ask the man himself
pray your teammates handle it
also smaul is okay into them
How melee vet compares to zealot now, after talent reworks?
was better, still is better
Is it? What makes it better?
I think it is hard to beat martyr zealot now
And stealth ult of zealot is so much better than vet's now
martyr zealot gets pretty close to vet melee dps
tho zealot's weapons still hold it back a lot
Vet beats it
Vet's bottom right just inflates their damage so much that even martyr zealot can't fully contest.
Zealot does have the edge with survivability though
wait what, vet's melee weapons are better?
they don't have power sword
Power sword
stupid broken ass weapon
power sword unfortunately is op
Abrasively overpowered as a melee weapon
Yeah, but power sword on melee focused vet feels ass becuase you have to charge it all the time
maybe if relic blade had psword cleave and sunder it'd be as good :)
And not counting psword?
still slower atk speed and worse single target dps
It does. But there's no arguing that there's a reason it's designed like that
rashad still exists
yeah still doesn't have the comical single target damage of psword
but it is available to both
Good, you have Skullcrusher

yea, just does more dmg on vet
this is pretty common knowledge at this point no?
What shock maul actually sucks against is Unyielding
More specifically monstrosities
Because you can at least reliably proc Skrusher against Warks and Reeps
ok, good
because i don't like zealot thematically
but want to be mostly melee focused
relic blade's single target actually worse than falchion lol
falchion 3 hit crusher for ~5k dps
what did fatshark mean by this
they didn't entirely code falchion's stats with their toes
just 90% of it
That you will play chastise and chastise only till the end of times
Any idea what tomorrow's class going to be
I mean yeah obviously it's zealots only worthwhile ability
i pray for smuggler using xenos weaponry
admech / cold trader
Stevus from accounting
yeah, cold trader is what i meant
Is the serrated blade + shovel bleed combo any good? I heard skullcrusher boosts bleed
yeah
Skullcrusher overrated on shovel
It's nice to have for bosses when you can stagger them but I feel decimator is generally better
Felinid bioweapon class
source: the voices in my head told me while on a warp travel
Wouldn’t be overrated if shovel had actually good stagger and didn’t have to rely on uncanny strike to do damage
but the voices told me it would be delayed by a week
Yeah. It's an amazing blessing but not on that particular weapon.
you should tell about those to the inquisition, you will be fine, i swear
on which weapons is it good
Marksman focus or focus target for bolter?
im thinking grey knight
Also i am still annoyed bolter can kill whole lines of enemies
this is so dumb
it is fucking rockets
they should stop at first target
Im not sure, the cat people with stims in their back got those, they are VERY sneaky
What about non-ogryn
the crusher (arbites, zealot) and shock maul
thats how bolters are man
it can be decent on vet shovel IF you are using shredder grenades
since the grenade explosions will apply skullcrusher while you have shovel out
they're not even the strongest gun vet has
and boost the bleed damage
they do though?
bolters don't have cleave beyond their arming distance
Also what are good blessings for chsword
Wrath/Rampage+Shred
ok so weapons i actually never used lmao
Are chswords any good now?
veteran can force them to work
now, they pierce whole lines for some reason in this game
Why use smaul when crusher fulfils similar role?
So only for right side vet?
both suck in my eyes, never going to use either
chord doesn't need help to be good at horde clear
i have bolter for that role
but it is completely hopeless into carapace
crusher sucks 
I think both are good now?
I prefer XIIIg because the big overhead heavies stagger ragers
And I don't like having to rely on Mk IV's push attack for that
The chswords had moveset changes?
Pretty much everything that has it available, besides DC sword and shovel
They’re ok
Can finally handle small rager groups without hp chip
But not good vs large rager groups
And not that good at single target
anyone knows how to fix these messages
you prob enabled something you shouldn't have in the scoreboard mod settings
Update ovenproof scoreboard
but i did
Make sure it's the one with the sister of battle on the screen
Ask the mod community they probably have a community fix that the mods dev hasn’t made
if above doesn’t work
powerDI is always an option
Download the ovenproof fix
The actual mod isnt updated anymore
Depends on what you wanna do with them. Helbore, recon and heavy laspistols can put in a lot of work. Infantry lasgun can have their uses and can definitely deliver as well, you'll just have to accept any limitations and nuances for what it takes to push them higher and higher.
Mk12
For infantry lasguns, I havent touched the recon lasguns or helbore
The consensus is that infantry Lasgun fell off so we don't hate them, we just wish they were better
Recons are ok, not my cup of tea
Helbores are goated
Laspistol is ok
helbore strong but wants specific range-focused spec
laspistol is versatile and works with all builds
recon are easiest to use but don't kill specialists that fast
inf las are in an awkward spot where they want even more talent spec than helbore (rending talents) but don't perform as good
For killing specialists I love the IAG (Agripinaa)
Im tryna get good at helbore just bc of how fun it is
Been using the recon lasgun alot now but its kinda boring at this point
+bayonet
+krieg aura
You gotta reequip them
Yeah that wasn't working before. It's only just now working after going through all my other Operatives
But now I'm finding one of the loadouts also has a bugged Title
There we go
Only took like, ten retries
This spaghetti game man
Depend on what you want
Reccy for infernus + brrr memes
HB for sniper charged up memes
Ammo picking to the point where you are fully out of ammo? I feel you man
Omg Genderperson
🫂
fellas, which assault chainsword mark do you think is better overall? cheers
XIIIg
neat
and does the veteran bible still apply to perks and blessings?
I know there were chain weapon changes
the one in the pins?
yep
they should be fine as on the weapons
but veteran's skill tree has been reworked
actually, there may be some slight changes with refinements due to the different breakpoints now
which weapon
for the purposes that you would use the chainsword usually for, flak maniac or flak unyielding are good picks
chain weapons, most interested in chainsword
both are ok, IV prob the better moveset rn
got quite a bit better at single target vs lower mass elites, and can now handle small rager groups decently well without hp chip
carapace dps still not nearly enough reward for its risk
I run shred + wrath
flak + maniac/unyielding for perks prob
it's pretty hard to push either chainsword to consistently 1 tap crusher with activated heavy atk
chaxe better 
unyielding damage? 🤔
but chainaxe XII prob the closest one to being good out of all of them
the damage buffs make up breakpoints for ragers and maulers whilst the attack speed buffs make using revs much more safe
shock maul enjoyers when they use the special
it's crazy how you still can't cancel the smaul special
you mean outside of a dodge? its not that terrible but definely can be risky if you are not aware of where you are sticking the leg
Question: what helps the horde clear of the Taxe more: the melee damage node or bleeding?
i don't think you can dodge while the special is active
unlike chain weapons
im fairly sure you can, i have done that
it would be suicidal using it and i have use it multiple times
even when out of effective dodges you can do it im sure
just tried it, with both mks work
Which one is the better smaul mk? I think I have been using the mk3 for a while already but not sure of Ia
3's the better one
H L horde clear
the 1 has worse angles on its horde clear and iirc single target is pretyt much the same
is it just me or the game is rubberbanding crazy
you can
it's not just you
it's been like this for me for several days now
and it's driving me up the god damn wall
rubberbanding and really inconsistent ping
i should be recording the bullshit happening to me
that happened to me like three games ago
but like
steam recording does wonders
trappers are sometimes instantly shooting
mutants have telekinesis
shroudfield relic got me feeling like a zealot main rn
maybe they updating server or smth
Tuesday cometh
Having the same issue with games just not running well anymore.
I think its just driver issues tbh
nah I'm alrdy on newest nvidia driver and it's been fine before today
it's been like this for me for a while
and i've tried other games but they don't seem to be having this issue either
and it's not my internet either
idk what's going on
Idk i dont have another explanation my system can def handle the game
at least ig I can still clip farm
someone took a bite at an unassuming potato in fatshark's server room
I even reset my pc yesterday nothing helps
wdym you can; dodge away like you would be using revs on chain weapons
unless you miss then pepega

it's prob fatshark's problem
tbh both are good; both have good movesets & can fit builds/playstyles
And its frustrating af
server connection in this case most likely
some sort of prep for update
are shredders even useful anymore, i feel like it does jack all against crushers. it does like 1/10 of a crusher hp even if you stack some uncanny and it falls off too quickly. and no im not walking up to 30 rotten armor guys to apply more bleed lmao.
it's just a decent horde clear grenade ig?
it's good vs mauler/rager spam
and wipes shotgunner/gunner groups quickly
Anyone have a good strat for completing the Adept Assassin Penance?
get in line. you're the third to remind me
I mean duh its carapace 
Shredders are still amazing cause they thin or straight up destroy mixed hordes & hordes of elites
If you get brittle from team its still good vs rotten; you stack DoT’s and watch them melt as you CC them
Or just use uncanny 
I’m trying this in psykanium and it does like 20% of an auric crusher at most if you stack everything
Uncanny, the 20% crit on melee, sprint buff, 15% elite damage, the works
And around 15% CR
And it looses stacks really quickly
I mean bleed works like that; unlike fire or soulblaze it ticks the fastest = it does better burst dps
Also don’t forget; you are in a team
And your shredders do contribute

what build do you all rock with Heavy Lastol
Depends on the mk. On the good one, dum dum + infernus, using WS as per usual
Which ones the good one
Mk2?
Yes
I only force myself to use the other one cause it looks better on my krieger

Fast one with burn blessing MELTS bosses
It has very good unyielding damage
I do flak unyielding myself u can do maniac instead
Gun kinda struggles with specials but is great on flak
laspistol is not for carapace
Like i mostly run pistol for the mobility when i have slow melee
If u have mobility melee just go recon or infantry
Hmm, aight
helbore can do carapace but in general, dont
what about dumpstat
on lastol
Mobility? I had one thats 60 on stopping power but i wasnt sure if thats good
Uhhh is there stability
Yeah theres stability
I wouldnt advise mobility since its mostly there to be swapped to to run away
Stability then, I'll roll one thats 60 on that
Uhh, what am I looking for
Like for collateral some weapons have stagger some have more armour piercing so
I think stability is always recoil and stuff
If so then yeah go for it
I think dump stat is either collateral or stability dont remember
is it just me or is the yellow colored kantreal lasgun weaker than in the past? i used it again few days ago and it felt weaker than in my memory
Not on pc rn to check
The tan / heavy Ilas?
Or Mk IX
i dont remember the name, but the tan colored lasgun. so the color of the gun itself is tan.
Yea thats the heavy Ilas
In general heavier variants of guns tend to suck
With very few exceptions being not sucked
Darktide on high diff is very fast paced slow guns dont fit
Only slow gun thats good is the vigilant mark
There's very few heavier guns that actually good
Accatran (Tan/ Heavy) Cshotguns also is somewhat good
flamer, bolter, plasma are all pretty slow and extremely good weapons
i mostly use the recon lasgun
Generally the blessings proc more often with faster marks
Don't use heavy reccy lasguns, they sucked as well
Sure you can hit 2 and more targets but you basically halved your ammo count
Slow mark is i think 3 per shot and fast is 1
Yes, halved because you use 2 rounds per shot
well, so far i went well with the heavy recon lasgun. but maybe its just a gun i can handle well
Oh so thats the upside
Typically we would use medium version (green / MK VIC)
Yea you can hit alot more chaffs
Only slow mark i use is for recon cuz it fires slower so i lose less stamina for crit buff
You can pierce through infested chaffs if im not mistaken
We don't use MkXII because it becomes a Pseudo flamer lmao
But i mean infantry isnt known for horde clear
Infantry?
Infantry lasgun
Im talking about reccy lmao
But yea, we don't use MkXII / light / blue is because it becomes a shitty flamer
If u want waveclear go aoe spearhead or boltgun but then again waveclear isnt vets job
MkVIc / green / medium is the ones that commonly used in high level, you can still light people on fire but still have enough dmg for target
Have u used double shotty vet btw? Idk how to feel about it
DB + WS = Havoc 40 viable.
i usually combine the recon lasgun in tan painting with a knife and i put some talents in melee bleeding etc. is very fun to play that. maybe not most effective but fun
You can be better than Psykers in dmg with DB + WS
Look at Avg Epic Cole's footage around the channel he's the guy for DB + WS
I avoid ws on havoc
But ye u cab make it work def
There's a few people managing to reach havoc 40 with DB + WS
And im climbing that ladder once i got all the curios and mastery
Its fun i run it with tag on maels
With that set
Or ws sometimes
Because WS with the reload on kill literally negates DB's weakness
If u run db on high havoc ur team will ppbl hate u
And turned it into a buckshot hose
If ur the only vet
No they aren't, depending on the location
Everyone expects u to kill specials and ranged
And your cosmetics
Like if u run db u should let them know
Cuz we lost havoc recently cuz of this we had nothing for ranged
Lmao
We had sniper pinged 12+ secs and screaming vet fking kill it
But yea, Epic cole and his build managed quite a few people to climb havoc 35
And he was spamming no in pings
Just smoke bro
Fr tho, smoke is fucking nice
FUCK YOUR GUNS, YOU CANT FIRE THEM ANYMORE
Fr tho if ur unmodded smoke is bad for ur team
SMOKEBOMBS
Its bugged af in vanilla
Removes tags removes teammate names and icons
U get hella confused
Throw them at the enemy
Wait that works?
The gunners will be forced to drop their gun
Except for snipers, but ping them to see them
Yes
Smoke is so underrated
Smokes irl can be used and often used offensively
I mean if u throw 2 shredders everything there is dead instead
Throw them at the enemies and bum rush that guy
That's why smoke artillery shells exists lmao
Idk i never run smoke
Try them, they basically give you Pseudo psykers bubble shield
Except you can throw them 3 (or 4 with a perk) at the same time
I mean u throw shredders instead and everything dies
True but you can res people and cover teammates with it
Fun fact shredders are also used for revs they stagger everything
Including car
I was a shredder hater til i realised that
True, but the value of smokes isn't at killing, its at making sure you can kill without being killed
Plus h40 hordes are so fking dense shredders and krak are mandatory
Shredders are lime 60% of ur dps with vet on high havoc
Like so many other games, don't sleep on smoke, they're good.
They're a support tool not a killing tool
Not on havoc mael maybe
Mael is good on some modifiers sure
If u look up vet high havoc builds everything is grenade spam for a reason its most of ur dps
Sorry to ask here but how long until new class announcement?
The class reveal will happen approximately on <t:1763485200:F>. This timestamp is localised to your timezone automatically.
if you look up vet high havoc builds you get led to gameslatern and youtube garbage
I heard that simply picking Gameslatern builds are questionable
On random without questions ofc
Both one of my favorite builds to play, and one of the best builds in the game (though still super slept on somehow)
Fast paced, versatile, and loads of damage, with even higher damage potential in a good game, all while still requiring you to be engaged so the playstyle is rarely ever dull
Avg epic cole stuff
Not even 4 million rookie numbers. /s
Just you know?
Nuking the 6th and the admonition on a Tuesday with a double barrel and a shovel
Xd very true
The best builds are the ones you make yourself upon understanding how to buildcraft
Builds always depend on ur team comp
So yeah
If u use premade ones ull have trouble
Shotgun ws vet can work if ur team can handle specials
And ranged
If i got shottie vet on my team in a pub id be pissed if he didnt let us know
I dont want to be stuck in a section for 10 mins cuz we have no ranged killer
dont see it too differently from purgatus psyker
though not as strong
since... purgatus
Generally if ur doing off meta u should warn
db is definitely not off meta
People expect certain things from ur class
I mean combat shotgun Agripina mark does the same as most other ranged weapons will do for vet.
I mean db
Fair
the discussion was specifically about db but yes aggri is very strong
im messing with it on psyker because funny finesse modifiers but im missing vets stuff for it
this guy must be stupid
those weapons suck
Yes cole why are you stupid?
I get the build u apply brittleness or whatnot with shovel and kill with db
me was born this way
But the problem is
yeah db shotgun is trash and so is shovel, i cant instant kill plague ogryn with it
thunder hammer best weap
Ur not a horde killer leave that to zealot and psyker
Cole you should use the DN ainz build
Not on h40 on auric sure u can melee everything to death
you should be contributing to every front
Horde density on 40 is wild
What does that even mean
Deez nuts
vet isnt and never was the "pick off specials and gunners only" class
No its the fact that double barrel has infinite cleave in a wide radius both with decent damage on hit and stacking bleed, and shovel is just a good generalist melee that can buff that bleed if its needed
Bro ainz is a great guy uses what he wants and is transparent about it
If ur transparent ur running non meta stuff idc
The shovel itself does good damage in its own right too, and the bleed also leaves the potential for additional reload swaps for even more shots
hmmm
Here you go Cole dn build
Dopemangus cloudflare error build
Lol
Wait it's down
Its not a bad build just idk about the shovel
?
Its a weapon thats good at everything, bad/amazing at none
Literally the definition of jack of all trades
I have it up
But bad at none
It has surprisingly high mobility, only falling behind the best in that category like knife, taxe, ds, etc
Lets be real u have rapier which is good at everything bad at nothing
Duelling sword can't horde clear remotely as fast
You cant force staggers with it so you cant hold ground with it
If u bring shovel and tell me ur tryharding ill think ur legit insane
Depending on difficulty
True
But again higher havocs are just crusher buffets
I literally prefer shovel over ds in havoc, I do better with it and feel safer with it
Which should speak volumes about shovel as a weapon
Shovel is safer as a weap yeah
And you cant deal damage if youre dead
But besides that
People do overlook how much damage it actually does
That video up there had like 1.4(?) Million dmg from the shovel itself
And it was in rotten armor too, so crushers literally everywhere
Btw idk why but i got a lot of trolls today
People kept joining accepting h40 then leaving instantly
That reminds me of on paper vs on reality
What region? Asia?
Europe
Hmmm
Wrong
Whats it bad at
Thats true
True...
Long division
well its in reality in the shovel video
I think some combinations with ds just leave u with no way to deal with hordes
Wich will bite u in the ass someday
I was testing aoe spearhead today and tbh its pretty good
Its really ew for specials tho cuz it pushes them around
Nah i use it for shit hits the fan situations
You dont gotta excel at everything
But you gotta have a way to handle everything at least
Yeah
Its stagger is great
Buys time and can clean a horde if it has to die asap
The aoe one is bonkers for horde clear tho
Like a few shots and that horde is mist
Yeah it might be but it will just run empty after 5 reloads
And i dont wanna hog all the ammo
True lmao
It is insane if u have healthbar on fodder enemies
No like depending on auric vs havoc, youd be spending 3-8 shots to remove the entire horde
I dont struggle with poxwalkers tho
Ive gotten over 100 kills from 1 mag when I was pairing it with my thammer on zealot in h40
Its not the poxwalkers xD its being able to clear the path so u dont get boxed
I just use spearhead to snipe
Plasma people eating all of the ammo and the lobby goes red on ammo
And that was clearing space right when I heard the twins spawn which was huge
With exe stance
Flak maniacs?
It would be so awesome if i have A SINGLE CAN OF AMMO
It really is insane
Take a look occasionally at ammo picked up on the scoreboard
You'll realize you pick up almost nothing
Mmm, all bollets are mine
I have flak unyield on bolter
And its almost always 1 guy
Why unyield u magdump?
On bosses and ogryn
Unyield is nice to kill bosses
I love it when I'm on par with the plasma user in damage and I've picked up 1/3rd of the ammo they use.
And u oneshot anything else anyway
Idk if magdump is viable on exec on voc u can stagget and headshot magdump reliably
No u only dump on bosses
Reapers take 2 headshots
And the rest is oneshot except crusher and mauler
I love to see the ammo hogger gets dogged and no one rescuing him
Yeah u voc stagger and u can magdump full headshots
No with exe stance
I use kraks too
Oh yeag
Boss gone in a sec
Which happens, because we definitely forgor
Yes
Good idea
With kraks u dont have to waste rounds on crushers
Ok important question time do u like bleed blessing
Cause bolter strangely kinda struggles with carapace
I use puncture and surgical
Because i aim a lot
Bleed is great on auric cuz breakpoints but idk for havoc
But there is better blessings then surgical
Bro surgical on speahead is 0.2 ill always take it xD
Calvacade puncture is my go to for boss killer vet
I found out the brittleness one is legit insane for car
It is good yeah i like it a lot
Yes thats good instead of surgical
I don't like using bolter on carapace especially now that rot armour is a modifier
For magdumping u can clap crushers with 5 shots

Yeah bolter is no good vs cara imo
With brittleness without it its 8 i think
If it takes more then 2 shots its a waste imo
There are better ways to deal with crushers than wasting precious bullets on them
Reminds me of my havoc 20 magdumping days
Bistol krak abuse is fun
Good times
boltgun should deal 0 damage to flesh armor types but instantly kill crushers
I SEE AMMO I TAKE AMMO YESYESYES
i should be hired
Lol
Ye true
Kill it with fire literally
I just wish spearhead was better on havoc
Rotten armour? Dot go brr
But i dont play havoc anymore anyway
Me when I spent 20 shots killing a single crusher
Stonks

U have found peace
I have reached 40 and lost all interest after that lol
Im trying to get my actual rank to 40 rn
Just need to help 10 more people for havoc exemplar and im done with havoc
But most ppl on 40 dont play seriously and thats ok
Eh I find auric isn't intense enough but 40 is impossible without good teamates or being incredibly good at the game and abusing the fuck out of the ai.
Exactly
Depends on your team imo
And some maels are annoying
If your all pretty good its a walk in the park
But if youre basically doing everything alone auric is challenging.
Basically auric in a nutshell
If I bring ek psyker into a auric my teamates will only be cleaning up horde and straggling crushers.
Its the same for havoc tho
With a good team i immediatly cleared 40s bo problem and got true survivor first try
After literally struggling forever to reach 40
Its all the team imo
I feel like rot armour is one of the easier modifiers if you're willing to play the most Boeing team comp known to man
Cuz fading light 2
Yeah if even one person went down on a 40 its usually over anyway
I see rot i get pickaxe charge ogryn
Nah you can recover from 1 down but if you have more than 1 weak link it's gonna be a chain effect.
TFW no CC

I think it really makes a lot of difference from 4 to 3 especially when the next person goes down it gets harder and harder to save the run
If vet dies sure if zealot dies sure if psyker or frontline dies ur kinda cooked
Again depends on map
Depends if the person was crucial in the team; if a shroudfield meme dies its not much of a loss

hello friends
If ur hordeclean dies ur gonna struggle
Yeah true
I find that I can hold my own even when we are only 2 but if the second last person dies the game is basically over.
i love how nobody wants executioner stance in their havocs even though I think its even more useful especially if its dark
Yeah i hate to solo
Even on car dot is great for getting them chipped
Ppl use cheat mods to see through it and wallhacks for specials if ur playing with tryhards
I dont like those mods
Otherwise yeah exec great on darkness
I basically only have numeric ui and scoreboard
Minigame helper is essential
Cheater.
U do h40 without it? Crazy
I remember that one image someone posted of psyker gameplay that looked like utter number slop with fullbrightness
Cheating on a PVE game? smh
i had seen cosmetic art from darktide that was definitely a skitari
Everyone is to a degree a horde clearer; just some do it better
i mean
Not that anyone can compete with the flamer zealot or purg psyker on that front.
It's still gameplay altering
True
Even tho having zealot flamer is having a useless teammate in situations where you cannot push due to various things
He just stands there in the corner jerking his flamer 
Look if demoting wasnt a thing id say ur right but no
Fk demoting
Playing pubs is a slot machine on its own
Use LFG here
the most gameplay altering mod I have is probably clean force blocking
Don’t make a mistake of party finder
Do you know the definition of insanity?
I got demoted 3 times today due to trolls
Also I wanna see, because I have hatred to psykers
Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results?
I am fully aware
Trolls? 
What did they do?
My first real h40 clear was with party finder
And i dont mean bad players no, actual trolls
I managed to do h40 season one and have never touched havoc again
Accept h40 and instantly leave party

