veteran-class

[sharp epoch]

pray it doesnt do uppercut in psykanium because its undodgeavle

[umbral scaffold]

fire faster?

[hollow ibex]

yeah mk5 is the best variant

why tho

i don't know why you'd take 3 over 5 or 4

[hybrid plover]

Enough damage for meaningful one shots on priority targets and not as slow as 4

[umbral scaffold]

im only firing once so id take 3 for the higher dmg

[tall torrent]

it's quite a bit better 1-tap than mk5 with less investment

and not nearly as unwieldy as mk4

[hollow ibex]

what breakpoints does it get that mk5 doesn't get?

[tall torrent]

yea just waste whole stamina bar

[tall torrent]

reaper non-crit 1 tap

and some havoc-related ones

[hollow ibex]

doesn't sound worthwhile

[umbral scaffold]

what does enhanced blitz mean in maelstroms?

like more granades or something

[willow prairie]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

well at least i can do the krak granade kills if not this dumb ''weakspot crits''

[jaunty sphinx]

Extremely fun to bring nuke ogryn to it lol

Since you get more than one

[umbral scaffold]

yea

obviously the sniper able to shoot through the fence but i couldnt. maan this game today.

[willow prairie]

skill issue

[umbral scaffold]

whats really annoying is even with the guaranteed weapon switch mod it still refuses to switch like half the time due to lags

crushers head still takes additional weakspot damage?

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a weakspot

[tropic halo]

always have been

[livid fractal]

hows the power falchion

[tropic halo]

Decent

But not as powerful as Psword

[hollow ibex]

prob half as strong lol

[hybrid plover]

Goodn't

[tropic halo]

Still can do quite a lot on crushers but takes more time as it trades the 3 charged shots for the heat gauge

[willow prairie]

first game in days and crashed instantly on gloriana

the game is telling me something

[hollow ibex]

classic DT experience

[hybrid plover]

Damage is pretty good charged, horrible uncharged

And has next to no stagger

[hollow ibex]

yeah

aka FS learned nothing from making RB

[willow prairie]

we cant have good melee weaponn for vet around here

(except psword)

[livid fractal]

ive been thinking of doing a recon las / pfalchion build

[tall torrent]

8-10 buffs away from being good

[livid fractal]

dang

it felt pretty nice when I was using it

[calm shard]

shobel...

[willow prairie]

or you can use psword and delete everything faster

it is fun

[calm shard]

uncanny strike for my grenades...

[livid fractal]

maybe I should finally pick up psword

ive been avoiding it like the plague

[willow prairie]

i wish bumass heavy sword dont have shitty carapace damage

its very good against non cara and bosses

[livid fractal]

oh yeah is plasma good now?

[calm shard]

fuck you mean now

that shit has been meta for over a year

[willow prairie]

when plasma isnt good

[tall torrent]

Too much cleave

Op

[willow prairie]

there a smyker inmy game

its joeover

[livid fractal]

i know recon las is finally pretty solid

[willow prairie]

or you can use laspistol

[livid fractal]

was doing recon + falchion with the comvined arms skilltree and it was melting shit

full stacks = killing a reaper or bullwark in under 10 shots

[calm shard]

Finally?

Dog have you been living in a time capsule

Was the last information you received on the game during the early access period

You're saying these weapons are "finally" good like they haven't been the established meta for what feels like forever

[livid fractal]

ive been playing since beta and generally only in 1-2 month bursts

last time i played was after arbiter was added

and I rarely played vet cuz their skill tree was dog before the rework (imo)

[tropic halo]

now is an statement

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-the-worm-marcus-nah-crawl-crawling-gif-210654286656259160

[jaunty sphinx]

That'll do it

[tropic halo]

always has been and always been boring

[livid fractal]

like i said I never played vet cuz i thought their skill tree was terrible before rework

[tropic halo]

it was fine pre rework but there only was about 1-1.5 builds

[jaunty sphinx]

Power falchion is okay, it's perfectly serviceable in auric tho

[tall torrent]

Vet new tree still has major room for improvement but it’s way better than before

[tropic halo]

we getting class reworks in the next 2 years

[livid fractal]

i like that I can actually branch out and still get a keystone now

[tropic halo]

by that time we have 10 classes

[fair shale]

Vet has much more free access to nades now which is cool

They prolly couldve broken up bottom right side of tree tho

[tall torrent]

Nah they need to make bottom left, middle pathing, and bottom branches’ pathing to keystone better

Grenades also need tuning

Krak should have instakill override within its blast center

Smoke can still use buffs

[fair shale]

That's kinda what I mean, if they broke up bottom right and swapped some talent positioning I think the pathing on left and middle would be better and right would be less autotakes

[tall torrent]

Frag can use a small nerf

[fair shale]

I agree with that, but you can actually path to smoke now without it feeling god awful

[tall torrent]

Also toughness situation on vet needs to be improved

[fair shale]

You mean the whole

Only tanky if you're above 75 percent?

[tall torrent]

No

It’s the fact that u can unironically skip all 3 toughness nodes in tree without trying

Shouldn’t even be an option

[fair shale]

Oh I see what you mean, they're not like Arbs

Where you will inadvertently take them cause you're forced via pathing

[tall torrent]

The +1 stamina node should swap place with +25 TGH node on bottom right

So u at least get one +25 toughness

[fair shale]

Tbh I agree with that

[tall torrent]

And then u can easily spec for full toughness by going middle

[fair shale]

Be easier to fuck up your tree less if they were obligatory takes too

[tall torrent]

Bottom half also needs reduced travel

To reach keystone

Especially for bottom left

Bottom left is just so bad in comparison

[fair shale]

Bottom left doesnt have enough meat to get there imo

There's nothing like reciprocity bottom left

Or IW middle for bottom left

Bottom left defo just needs more

[tall torrent]

Middle section also ass

Didn’t delete the garbage

[fair shale]

Middle section at least has some stuff you always want

Ime anyway

Demo team, IW

[tall torrent]

Both GBITF and opening salvo need to go

[fair shale]

I personally always like more Og Damage

[tall torrent]

Covert operative can also go

[fair shale]

OS is honestly such a trash perk

[tall torrent]

I meant the middle section as in, the center of the tree

Right above aura

That part is ass

[fair shale]

Oh yeah, I see what you mean

There's no variety in pathing for it

[hollow ibex]

lol it's so trash

maybe we should make it a subnode for infil

would fit right in

[willow prairie]

helbore fuck

[finite cobalt]

What are the most vital/go-to stats when it comes to curios?

[narrow frost]

toughness

[ocean idol]

was new class revealed?

[fair shale]

Toughness. There's a surge in people selecting revive speed.

Gunner resist is pretty standard across the board too ime

[fair shale]

Nah, tomorrow iirc

[finite cobalt]

Should i have 3 that are all in toughness then, or would it be smarter to have one in stamina?

[fair shale]

If you mean primary stats its really common to run 1x 3 stamina on vet ime

[tall torrent]

my recommendation is
main stat: toughness, health, stamina
perks: toughness x2, gunner x2, stam regen x3, revive / docket x2

1 stamina curio is nice

[ocean idol]

did they not promise to reveal it on 11

[tall torrent]

1 health curio prevents 1 hit instakill in havoc
and generally helps vs chip dmg

[fair shale]

Idk man, I barely pay attention

[tall torrent]

18th (tuesday)

[fair shale]

Cant you avoid poxbombers with 1x 5 percent hp?

[finite cobalt]

Its on the 18th now btw

[pseudo fiber]

delay of some kind caused it to be next week
class releases on the 2nd of december

[tall torrent]

yea, and then u have 5hp left

[fair shale]

Hey, it stopped a one shot

[tall torrent]

meh, just do a health curio at that point

[fair shale]

Tbh I was just making sure I remembered right

[tall torrent]

does more vs chip dmg

[fair shale]

I run 1x toughness 1x health 1x stamina on vet

I tried 2x toughness with 5 percent and yeah you survive but if a PB is leaping into you you prolly got other issues too

And any chip fucks it

Was more acceptable when VoC had permanent uptime

[finite cobalt]

Is this the best possible toughness curio?

[jaunty sphinx]

1% off

Might as well get it in the meantime tho

17% is the best one

[warm flower]

hey guys, any tips for da Falchion?

[ocean idol]

why you answer at all then

[hollow ibex]

use mark 1

[warm flower]

why is that?

[hollow ibex]

and you really gotta be careful with the charge

dps drops by like 70% against hordes with the charge gone

[hollow ibex]

for whatever reaosn, the heavies on falch are really slow

and mk1 has the better moveset

(you can avoid using heavies entirely, which ups your dps noticeably)

[finite cobalt]

Could you tell me what the highest numbers are for stam and max health, if you know?

[jaunty sphinx]

+3, +21

Stam and health

[fair shale]

Because i had the answer for your original question.

[void dragon]

it seriously take 2 buisness days to load the H2 of the damned falchion, is it a bug? it feels like a bug

[fair shale]

I think you gotta roll a 420 rated stam for 3?

[hollow ibex]

prob just laziness when they ported over the relic blade animations

[jaunty sphinx]

A Curio also has to be level 420+ to actually have +3 there's a bug where it shows it but it's false iurc

[hollow ibex]

just needs to be 410 or higher

[jaunty sphinx]

Ah ok

So 410+

[fair shale]

Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was 400 or 410 that rounding errored

[finite cobalt]

Wait, whoa! The item rating matters for curios?

[fair shale]

Defo

[finite cobalt]

oh

[fair shale]

Low end high rating toughness is 15 toughness iirc

High-end is 17

[finite cobalt]

Oh. So it has no like hidden stats or anything. If i pick the biggest blessing stat number, i should be fine?

[hollow ibex]

just check the blessing stat frist

first

that's all that really matters except for stam curios

check the rating for stam curios cuz some of the +3 are fake, as mentioned above

[finite cobalt]

Just making sure, this one is fine right?

[fair shale]

Absolutely

[finite cobalt]

cool

[warm flower]

Is mobility or heat management dump on Falchion? Mobility I suppose?

[hollow ibex]

mob yeah

[umbral scaffold]

starting to consider giving up

[austere mica]

What are you using for it

[umbral scaffold]

me?

[austere mica]

Yes

[umbral scaffold]

a sketchy weakspot ranged build with minimal melee nodes

[austere mica]

What weapons

Oh ok yeah that would do it

Vigilant is not the best for weapon spec

and those perks need fixing

[umbral scaffold]

its the best for what im tryna achieve only for first shots

[austere mica]

Revolver is better for it

[umbral scaffold]

is it?

[austere mica]

It benefits from free crits and Always Prepared much better

[umbral scaffold]

one perk iirc gives me like a percentage of ammo for each stack of ranged stacks

while my ranged is holstered and shit

[austere mica]

Yeah revolver benefits from that better

It rounds up

so 1 stack is 1 round out of 5 despite being 3.3%

[umbral scaffold]

but the revolver doesnt have the deadly accurate and opening salvo does it

[austere mica]

Yeah but its base damage is more than good enough

[umbral scaffold]

hand cannon blessing?

and what else

[austere mica]

Graia crit weakspot

Versus revolver crit weakspot

[umbral scaffold]

isnt the spearhead boltrifle better then? it also has high dmg

[austere mica]

Run and gun, point blank, surgical, crucian, maybe even gloryhunter

[austere mica]

It draws really slowly

[tepid otter]

Bolbgun my beloved

[umbral scaffold]

50%+ weapon swap speed not good enough?

though i hate it fires in 2 bursts

[hollow ibex]

it's still quite slow

[austere mica]

Its also got worse finesse so it scales off crits much less than revolver

[tepid otter]

Id say try the other mark, it doesnt do the 2r burst on hipfire

[austere mica]

Its really hard to beat revolver as a pocket sniper for weapon spec builds

[umbral scaffold]

this good enough?

[umbral scaffold]

i tried but has less ammo, less dmg, and like some explosive effect

that often sets off nearby barrels

[tepid otter]

I like it more than the mk2, but yeah. People got mixed feelings about it

[umbral scaffold]

i like to use it when i run a full melee build, it still does amazing dmg to bosses or crushers for example

[tepid otter]

Bolbgun goes brrt

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/boltguin-boltgun-dlc-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-boltgun-plague-toad-gif-426648673851444174

like this

[tepid otter]

Its pretty good, someone shared a build long time ago that just kills a boss magdumping your bolter on it

[austere mica]

There was also the fabled single fan revolver boss build

I wonder if you can still make that work

[umbral scaffold]

well with 3 stacks only

did 2200 dmg to a rager

in heresy

though it was dreg

so no armor

weakspot crit

[tepid otter]

It be like that, I just like weapons that clears waves and deal boss dmg at the same time

[hollow ibex]

vets in my games be like

[thorn lark]

fair and balanced

[umbral scaffold]

the thing is tho it doesnt really matter much what weapon i use

the setup is the same

and it is so slow

[regal ingot]

IS there any way to make the recon lazgun good with voice of command

[calm shard]

THE basic bitch meta build

[regal ingot]

which one

im new to vet im still rockin the crit recon laz

[calm shard]

7 points to put into whatever

[umbral scaffold]

but yea i guess with more dmg i can play heresy at least and make a bunch of dockets and diamantine

matchmaking is better too

[void dragon]

question: is there a field where the Heavy sword performs better than the Taxe?

[umbral scaffold]

or not

[hollow ibex]

horde clear for sure

but you obviously give up a lot...

[void dragon]

have le meme revolver crusher tapper, so wanted to figure what weapon would work well for it, the sheer mobility seriously its a big bonus

[hollow ibex]

tbf you do already have recolver as a mob stick

so it's not the worst thing ever to take hsword

because horde clear will be your other big concern if you're using volver on crushers

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[void dragon]

yeah, but its quite weird how effective Taxe feels, Hsword Caparace damage def should not feel that bad

[void dragon]

that's a new one for me bingo, good job finding more ways how the game is so broken

[hollow ibex]

yeah i haven't retested but i'm guessing it's 10 seconds straight of wacking a crusher

[umbral scaffold]

imagine having one tab open in a browser

[hollow ibex]

to kill one

[umbral scaffold]

discord

and game open

and then memory runs out XD

https://tenor.com/view/antony97-gif-24642829

[void dragon]

Hsword oberhead: 350 Taxe overhead 497

one of those is IMMENSELY slower than the other and on crit does MASSIVELY more damage

Seriously MorbidlyobeseShrimp, give Hsword SOMETHING!

there is 0 reasons it should not hit caparace harder

btw, why the special swing cant stagger more than one rager at a time?

[umbral scaffold]

chain axe no bueno?

[calm shard]

cause it doesn't have cleave 👍

[void dragon]

the question kinda is "why NOT?!"

[willow prairie]

I mean it still the best horde clear in the game not counting inferno and psword

[void dragon]

[calm shard]

cause the hsword can one shot ragers and doesn't super need it 👍

[willow prairie]

plus vet have helbore

[calm shard]

force greatsword

[void dragon]

cant on havoc

[calm shard]

double barrel

achlys twin stubber

[calm shard]

Oh it 100% can

[willow prairie]

yeah this one no

[calm shard]

Not scab ragers I don't think

But dreg ragers yeah should one shot easily

[willow prairie]

fgs is servicable but I wouldn't say the horde clear is good

even counting special from time to time

[calm shard]

FGS is uh

The literal fastest horde clear in the entire game my man

[void dragon]

on a right side build, yes? i was testing it with left side to see how the weapon itself behaves

[calm shard]

It's not time to whack every poxwalker to death with it

It is time to build and use 1 special bar

Which is about 7 seconds

[calm shard]

I get the one shot even on exe builds

[void dragon]

funny: with a crit, the Hsword ALMOST kill a dreg rager from havoc

with no melee investment

[willow prairie]

I mean there are so many better one if we're talking melee horde clear

[calm shard]

literally unmatched in terms of melee horde clear my man

like

nothing comes within a mile of fgs clear speed

[void dragon]

Warp slash go brrrrr

[hollow ibex]

its good

got buffed quite a bit

[void dragon]

specifically the mk12

[calm shard]

The XII got buffed the Mk IV didn't

[void dragon]

the mk4 needs the same no more cleave limit on its heavies

[hollow ibex]

mk4's good too

it actually has better horde clear than XII

[hollow ibex]

i prefer the XII still tho

[calm shard]

hilarious gun

3 shot havoc 40 rot armor crusher xd

[void dragon]

word? how you run it?

[hollow ibex]

HT slaught

and perks... unyielding cara i think? idr

[calm shard]

anyways yeah hsword one shots havoc 40 dreg ragers

takes 4 headtaker stacks but like

headtaker is so goddamn easy to stack

[umbral scaffold]

dont you love when some clown shittalks and then quits the match

[hollow ibex]

now let's see the crusher dps

[calm shard]

:(

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/paull-allen-american-psycho-paull-allens-card-card-business-card-gif-25686120

[hollow ibex]

oof

i remember it being around 500 dps

[willow prairie]

hsword with actual carapace damage no diff psword

[hollow ibex]

imagine wacking a single crusher for like 13 seconds straight

[ocean idol]

i see vet talents also got changed

[hollow ibex]

on aurics

[willow prairie]

it's 500 against auric

[hollow ibex]

yeah so 13 straight seconds

of just whacking a crusher to the head

to kill a single crusher

[willow prairie]

carapace hp buff is totally needed

it not gonna make op weapon better and weaker weapon worse or anything

[calm shard]

god dude even going out of my way to get both MMF and Rending Strikes it just doesn't do shit

[hollow ibex]

hsword just needs a rework

[willow prairie]

hsword do everything well but carapace yeah

boss damage is eh

[narrow frost]

I did it

[hollow ibex]

i'm fine with it being weak agaisnt carapace but this is a bit much lol

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/4csRClzNRjo

[willow prairie]

genderman

[void dragon]

the thing that i find weird is that Taxe has good dodges, stagger that can fight ragers, decent horde clear, and can be build to crit krump caparace if you want

seems a lot of advantages at the same time when Hsword stager capacity isnt that crazy

[willow prairie]

you can mitigate it with movement

[silver patrol]

that's because fatshark forgot about the heavy sword

[calm shard]

I managed to get 800dps by using onsluaght with recon lasgun

[willow prairie]

plus hsword does tons of damage against not cara

or unyielding

[slow sky]

People care way too much about every weapon being good into carapace which is applicable to 1.5 enemies

[willow prairie]

taxe is better because it can actually deal with crusher

[calm shard]

but like

[narrow frost]

exactly

thats why I uploaded the DN meta build

[willow prairie]

I mean it dictates your weapon choice

[narrow frost]

so people understand

[willow prairie]

I'm not running hsword with anything that isn't named "helbore lasgun"

[slow sky]

Bolter

Revolver

[willow prairie]

yeah shitty ah ammo economy

bolter i mean

[slow sky]

Bolter has shattering impact

[willow prairie]

I'm not using ranged weapon for only cara

it does matter

[slow sky]

Then just toughen up and swing your melee right

[willow prairie]

yeah fighting crusher with hsword uh

how about no

[slow sky]

Is not as bad as people think

[willow prairie]

yeah it isn't bad as people think

[calm shard]

dog

[willow prairie]

it is worse

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it just has some REALLY significant downsides. I like the weapon still

[calm shard]

it's 500 dps

[void dragon]

but it is mad bad

[calm shard]

600 with rending strikes and MMF rending

800 with onslaught brittleness

[hollow ibex]

Tbf. I think MMF rending is bugged

And doesn’t work

But yeah it’s tragic lol

[tame lodge]

That's because Hsword isn't capped and can reliably 1 shot everything that isn't carapace or big

[void dragon]

the thing is that it almost feels that Hsword is overshadowed because stuff like Taxe has so many perks that make it safer and more attractive as a safety tool

[calm shard]

seems to work to me

[slow sky]

Are you guys not using the strikedown>special loop or something

[willow prairie]

if hsword have carapace damage then it probably the second best melee in the game lol

[hollow ibex]

when i tested CITA

it didn't seem to do anything

[slow sky]

But not everything needs carapace damage

[willow prairie]

yeah that true unless its a melee wepaon

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think it should just get roughly the same crusher ttk as it had before

maybe a bit better

[slow sky]

Its not like it is completely and totally incapable of dealing with crushers

[hollow ibex]

but 13 seconds for a single crusher is a bit stupid

on auric mind you

[slow sky]

Which is
1 enemy type

[willow prairie]

yes it fucking is incapable of dealing with crusher

[slow sky]

Out of the how many enemies youll have in a game

[willow prairie]

unless you're playing like malice

[hollow ibex]

basically if you take hsword, you really need to shoot crushers

[willow prairie]

bruh dog

crusher spawn in pack

[hollow ibex]

or krak them

[slow sky]

Then thats just a skill issue

[willow prairie]

😭

[void dragon]

crusher, mauler, plasma guners

[slow sky]

Like idk what to say

[hollow ibex]

no matter how good you are, it'll still take 10+ seconds to kill a single crusher 🤡

[willow prairie]

bro probably think dclaw is good or smt

[hollow ibex]

skill doesn't increase ADMs

[willow prairie]

for 1 purpose yeah sure

[willow prairie]

this

[slow sky]

Its like saying that duelling sword is bad cuz it isnt amazing at hordes

[void dragon]

@slow sky when you would take Hsword over a Taxe in a Havoc game?

[slow sky]

Its 1 property of the weapon

[calm shard]

okay

not being amazing at hordes

is not the same as being completely incapable of killing carapace

[willow prairie]

yeah it like ds have mobility and shitload of single target damage

[hollow ibex]

dsword has massive single target damage at the expense of hordes
hsword has great horde clear at the expense of single target

which makes this a fair trade off. wait it feels like i'm missing something...

OH RIGHT

dsword has insane fucking mob

[calm shard]

being able to kill a crusher is mandatory

[hollow ibex]

idiotic comparison tbh

[slow sky]

Probably in a helbore exe build
But id still prefer dclaw in that situation

[willow prairie]

dclaw

😭

[slow sky]

Yeah

[void dragon]

i mean i didnt needed to bring Dclaw to dog on Hswords even MORE now

[willow prairie]

dclaw have like way worse horde clear

[hollow ibex]

dclaw deserves to prosper

[willow prairie]

but whatever

[hollow ibex]

it has better sound effects

[willow prairie]

it also have shit carapace damage

the only saving grace is parry

[slow sky]

It does have worse but im using it defensively, not offensively

But if I didnt care about that, id use heavy sword

[calm shard]

i mean it also has kind of insane damage profile on cleave

[willow prairie]

yeah still take forever to kill not poxwalker

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/Y5XShjL

Mk VII dclaw

[willow prairie]

it really doesn't matter when your base damage is bad

[calm shard]

actually kinda good weapon

[slow sky]

You must be cheating

[willow prairie]

I mean that isn't a "horde clear" situation but lol

[calm shard]

I'm also deliberately not using the parry

[willow prairie]

mk7 is goated

[slow sky]

That video doesnt fit my narrative

[calm shard]

which would unceremoniously one shot the scab ragers

so

[void dragon]

wait, mk7 is the good one? i have been using the mk4 all this time

[willow prairie]

I mean sure its not likr you straight up coping about hsword being usable against crusher

[calm shard]

yeah

[slow sky]

Mk4 is the easy one

[willow prairie]

mk7 is better overall

[slow sky]

But as of the moveset tweaks 7 got way better

[willow prairie]

better pa

[willow prairie]

better parry followup

allat for 10 seconds kill still

[shy sphinx]

The fuck is this

[willow prairie]

💔

[slow sky]

The only thing I think hsword needs is its specials impact to be raised to meet crushers stagger resistance adjustments before

So the special/heavy loop can build up a stagger in 2-3 hits again

[calm shard]

cole I don't think you understand how many orders of magnitude worse not being able to kill carapace is

compared to being bad into hordes

[willow prairie]

staggering only mitigate the problem

[calm shard]

because that means that if the horde has carapace in it you can't kill the horde either

[willow prairie]

not killing thing fast enough is a problem in havoc

you can't just take your time

[slow sky]

Staggering controls the situation making it easier to deal with

And prevents giving up ground

Which is extremely important in havoc

[calm shard]

not having something to kill carapace is a death sentence because it means maulers, scab ragers, and crushers hard wall your melee

you won't be able to use that good horde clear because carapace blocks your cleave, and unlike weapons with good carapace you can't just single target them to get rid of them

[void dragon]

with onslaught recon the Hsword can hit for 1500 ish damage

holly

[slow sky]

But the issue is people are thinking running heavy sword = you cant kill crushers
You can with the sword, slower than other means
But you also have your gun
Grenades
And teammates who are under the mindset of "the only viable weapons are ones that instantly remove carapace from the game cuz idk how to kite"

[slow sky]

This too
There are very efficient means to enable that damage too

Onslaught, shattering impact, etc

[void dragon]

would it be bad that we give the Hsword special some cleave? feel that making its stagger tool more reliable on mass can be a good thing to make it feel like its actually heavy

[slow sky]

Hell the 2 best psyker staves have brittleness blessings and someone's prolly running one if its havoc

[slow sky]

Brutal momentum

[calm shard]

1000 DPS is far below what I would consider "can kill crushers" territory

Considering you have to use onslaught to get that kinda dps in the first place

[void dragon]

mate, i mean the special, the hit doesnt cut all the way, it stops on the first target, ven pox walker hits,

would want that to swing so it can stagger more enemies like ragers

[slow sky]

I forgot which hsword it was but its group combo doesnt even use a cleaving attack, it uses the upward scoop (which is a strikedown) then the special, both of which easily proc bm due to their high first target damage

[slow sky]

You mean "good at killing crushers"

Like holy do we only consider weapons viable if they make every enemy explode instantly

[void dragon]

Hsword doent need to be GREAT at killing crushers, but it should not be a multiple office day task

[calm shard]

crushers have 6000 fucking health

1000 DPS with setup that requires you to use another weapon is going to take like 20 seconds

[slow sky]

And you have other weapons and teammates

[calm shard]

20 seconds of the weapon being completely disabled because ONE crusher is there

[silver patrol]

damn i just discovered where the magazine for the recon lasgun is and it's so cursed

[slow sky]

Use kraks to cover the weakness
Wow suddenly the heavy sword doesnt need to interact with its weakness

On zealot use fotf

[calm shard]

you can't krak every crusher you have a problem with in havocs because there's too many of them there

yeah zealot can just FOTF them

which uh

only does 3K damage

[void dragon]

that's why that kind of weapon should be the "ranged gun's that kill caparace but have no horde impact"'s best friend

[void dragon]

good, Zealot SHOULD be the melee class thanks

[silver patrol]

ehrm that's arbites

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/H7vl0Et

[void dragon]

are we forgeting that current Veteran numbers are quite bonkers?

[slow sky]

If its rotten armor then hsword isnt a good pick cuz you are fighting your weakness all the time while they have ranged dr

[willow prairie]

even martydom can't save hsword

real

[void dragon]

that's the "Lets bonk this riot with shock mauls and a K9 squad" class

[calm shard]

I mean I'd consider that well within a reasonable timeframe for 5 crushers

For a weapon that's bad into them

And nukes everything else

[slow sky]

You are still also proving that the weapon doesnt have great carapace damage
When I've said countless times you have guns and teammates to help

[hybrid plover]

I just want to say

[willow prairie]

I mean it get worse on zealot because there just better melee option and you don't have blitz/ranges option to deal with crusher

[slow sky]

Remember when ainz did a full vet hsword run on 40 with no sources of rending and no guns good at armor

[calm shard]

If I thought my teammates were capable of even pressing their WASD keys without guidance and assistance

I wouldn't be playing exe vet

[hybrid plover]

Kraks on rotten armor also get insane retention because of demo team

[calm shard]

I'd be playing with a hell of a lot more support talents than I do

[slow sky]

Exe vet is literally one of the playstyles that relies on your team more than most tho

[void dragon]

Idk how to feel on that argument, i saw goated people use GARBO to win H40

[willow prairie]

I mean ainz is good n all but getting 4 stack is fucking impossible

[void dragon]

that's not a great metric

[hybrid plover]

If you're not just spamming them willy nilly, it's quite difficult to be at zero nades

[void dragon]

People use pre rework ogrins with ROCKS as ranged weapons to win H40

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/p3K8JmZ2Iks?si=0JLM189Wd2qzDw1U

[calm shard]

I don't really see how since I can easily keep it up by myself doing melee shit

And it gives me incredible self sustain

[narrow frost]

And my latest vid

[void dragon]

because its the less self suficient, not incapable to do its own self protection?

[narrow frost]

I hate shock maul and smokes

*had

[void dragon]

people diss on shock maul, but i like it

[narrow frost]

https://youtu.be/4csRClzNRjo?si=ECGVQRCA75IQWB-m

I like it

[calm shard]

I like it too

PLEASE give it more stagger

[willow prairie]

shock maul is decent

[calm shard]

Why the FUCK does combat axe have higher stagger

[void dragon]

It feels like a disabling-Shield breaker-Debuff stick weapon

more utility than BIG BONK

[hybrid plover]

Okay. Real talk.

You may want to try your shovel db build with exe stance.

[calm shard]

shock maul still not being great into carapace but like

this is the baseline

no rending nothing

it also doesn't nuke every fucking health type quite like hsword does tho

[void dragon]

i feel like its the quintesential support weapon

[calm shard]

1K by default can be made usable

[slow sky]

Ive thought about it but I have 3 reasons why I really dont want to
The forced swap always throws me tf off
The fov zoom sucks ass
And the aggression that the voc stagger allows for is too valuable for the build

[void dragon]

FOV zoom on weapons you dont want to zoom its PAIN

[willow prairie]

you need mod for exe anyway

not playing with that shitty ass zoom

[void dragon]

wait you ppl are moding out the Exe stance zoom?

[willow prairie]

uh yes

[void dragon]

...

[willow prairie]

you have to be insane to enjoy it

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[willow prairie]

going from like 100+ fov to way lower feel bad!

[hybrid plover]

I use the FoV mod tbh

[void dragon]

I like zoom to see more clear the heads i click

[hybrid plover]

I find it ridiculous that that isn't just an innate feature to turn that off.

[willow prairie]

it's technically cheating but no where near that one psyker mod

[hybrid plover]

When I quite literally get motion sickness from the zoom, I think there's a point where something can be considered an accessibility issue

[void dragon]

I like it because i want to shoot far away enemies and my stupid eyes are not enhanced to do it natively

need hadron to replace mine with better ones

[hybrid plover]

Its for double barrel

[slow sky]

You swap to melee and your eyes are 5 feet in front of your face

You feel like youre in danger the entire time

[willow prairie]

mentally ill:

I like playing the game, thanks

[hybrid plover]

It's not for long range shots more than making your shots compressed as fuck and do more damage

On top of the info, stun immunity and regen

You can play pretty damn aggressively with it still.

[void dragon]

I genuinely like it because that extra zoom makes the enemies heads super easy to see and click

[calm shard]

1000 hours exe vigilant autogun

wait wait no I got a better one

[void dragon]

And I deal with melee enemies with peripheral awareness than actually seeing tgem

If I try to focus on melee enemies I would get dizzy

[hybrid plover]

I don't really care about that specifically for double barrel

And it overall just feels weird to me to suddenly have that zoom

[void dragon]

DB is goated already to need such overkill like Exe power

[calm shard]

oh my god no way they fixed the fish eye effect from stimms layering over infiltrate's visuals

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance significantly decreases spread

It actually matters quite a lot.

[void dragon]

I mean that you don't "need" it, not that it isn't a nice buff

[hybrid plover]

By this logic, you also don't need shout either.

It's not that it's needed but it's a noticeable help to make double barrel even more lethal than it usually is.

[void dragon]

Reason why I use it as cc to make room to run back instead of pissing on me team 24/7

And would argue that while noticeable it's not needed, but that is dumb ole me

"more deadly than it already is" sounds crazy to me since I already think DBarrel is the weapon of choice of Big E

[hybrid plover]

Try it

There's no reason not to.

[calm shard]

mmng laspistol...

infernus one shot headshotting havoc 40 reaper

silly lil' gun

[hybrid plover]

It covers the one major weakness db has as a weapon.

[void dragon]

Will have to give it a try at some point, I even tried it with stealth so why not?

[void gyro]

whats the mod to remove exe fov change, is it ConstantFov? sorry for lazy ass question

ty 🙂

[shy parcel]

What are the optimal combos for the devils claw mkvii?

[normal tangle]

What does "cleave on weak spot hit" mean on hellbore lasgun? Splash damage?
While on the subject, best hellbore lasgun variant?

[thorn lark]

ok, who is corolla enjoyer here? 😄

[tepid otter]

The likelihood the shot goes thru enemies on weak spot hit

[thorn lark]

jtclive made a video a year ago iirc

[tall torrent]

if melee/ranged atk by ranged weapon hits an enemy in the weakspot, it considers that enemy's mass as 50% of its original value, which potentially allows that atk to go through an enemy it normally cannot go through

[void dragon]

Can I ask why you pick Hammerblow over other blessings like high boltage and opportunist?

[narrow frost]

Its safer and it procs SC more

[neat stratus]

Any of the new mks good on vet? Thought I should ask

[tall torrent]

Mks of what

[hybrid plover]

Mks for what exactly?

[void dragon]

another question (and last): you have some concept of what maps you would pick smoke nades over the others? or that decision would be more team dependant?

[neat stratus]

Sorry I was talking about the bound by duty additions

[narrow frost]

if its open

[neat stratus]

Boltgun and boltpistol specifically

[narrow frost]

comms plex has gurenteed ranged spam at mid event

[hybrid plover]

New bolter good, new bistol not good

[tall torrent]

new boltgun is nice, not same role as the one before
new boltpistol is ass

[uncut pewter]

I wanted to ask if there was conclusive 'best' power falchion mark

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 I think. The one with the light stab.

[uncut pewter]

I learned how to play with Psyker great sword recently and got a build I'm super happy with so I'm moving to explore veteran

[tall torrent]

mk1

[void dragon]

would still need to make a list for what maps need it as a must, thanks

[uncut pewter]

Is there any particular reasoning behind mark 1?

[neat stratus]

Thanks, and can I ask how the boltgun fulfills a role?

Is it more on the lines of big enemy stun or am I missing something?

Concussive grenade launcher is how I'm getting it

[hybrid plover]

Because the heavies on both mks are ass and mk1 is the one that has a light sequence that's decent for both horde clear and single target, assuming it's charged.

And assuming you're not fighting ragers.

Because both also have next to no stagger.

Did I mention the falchion just also isn't very good?

[uncut pewter]

Oh that's unfortunate

Oh why's that? I got an impression it's a solid all rounder

[hollow ibex]

cuz it powers off

[hybrid plover]

When it's unpowered, it is genuinely one of the worst weapons in the entire game.

[tall torrent]

single shot accurate hipfire + bigger explosion that does stagger & minor dmg

[hollow ibex]

it beats checks notes unpowered powersword

[uncut pewter]

Maybe I should just go learn zealot relic blade then first haha

[tall torrent]

it's prob the most underbaked rushed-out-to-meet-a-quota weapon FS have released in the game yet

[neat stratus]

So its like a hip sniper?

[tall torrent]

kinda

[hollow ibex]

they've got similar movesets

so you def could

[hybrid plover]

It's in a weird spot where it doesn't really do enough charged to be worth using over the actual power sword while suffering the same exact issue that the power sword has, which is that its just awful uncharged

And power sword being so bad uncharged is a deliberate thing because it's insanely powerful when charged

[neat stratus]

Im a huge fan of the power falchion myself

[narrow frost]

no map is a must and is helpful for all maps

[uncut pewter]

I'm just mostly looking for a really reliable melee weapon

Since I like being melee oriented across most of my characters and plan to try that trend with vet.

[narrow frost]

tactical axe

mobility, attack speed, and stagger

[hybrid plover]

Power sword mk6, Rashad combat axe, tac axes, combat knife mk6, shovel mk1 are all pretty reliable for vet rn

[narrow frost]

plus good crit synergy

[uncut pewter]

Makes sense

I admit I still struggle to respect crits

Not because I think they're bad or anything

I was just an ogryn main

[hybrid plover]

You're on the class where you should be.

[uncut pewter]

Yup just matter of practicing/reinforcing that

[hybrid plover]

A lot of vet's offensive potential comes from their crit chance/finesse

[uncut pewter]

Is infilitrate still considered throwpick

Or hated

[hybrid plover]

I mean. You can make anything work if you're good enough. Nothing is really a "throwpick"

That being said

Infiltrate is arguably the worst ability right now.

For vet.

[uncut pewter]

That's valid, I just like to have 'clutch potential' as a general build theme so I tend to want to be well rounded with some tricks up the sleeves

[hollow ibex]

it's not even arguable

it just is

infil is very funny with a stealth bomber build

but it really did get fucked with the tree rework

[hybrid plover]

VoC then.

[uncut pewter]

What's the stealth bomber build?

Grenades?

[tepid otter]

Granadas, the Shredder ones iirc

You could prolly change it to whatever you like tho

[tall torrent]

it's not nearly as good as the other 2 abilities

[uncut pewter]

Man the worst part of vet is trying to decide what weapon to go with haha

[uncut pewter]

Ranged that is

[tall torrent]

vet has a lot of good ones within t0~t1

[hollow ibex]

stealth bomber build

[uncut pewter]

Also what's the dump stat for rashaad axe?

[shy sphinx]

Like plasma gun, bolter and plasma gun

[tall torrent]

mob

[tall torrent]

those aren't the only good vet guns

[shy sphinx]

I know

I forgot to mention plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

honestly

are there any guns on vet that are actually bad lol

i think all of them can be made at least usable

[tall torrent]

yea

[uncut pewter]

What's the most common blessing on rashaad axe?

[hollow ibex]

well i guess stuff like ilas exists

[uncut pewter]

Or refinements, I should probably start looking at builds

[tall torrent]

BM + headtaker

[shy sphinx]

Depends on what you wanna do but yea, helps that vet's hole shebang is making guns do more gun

[hollow ibex]

Headtaker + brumentum are mandatory

[hollow ibex]

vet's a hybrid class now these days

but yes ranged is still very strong

[uncut pewter]

Flak and unarmored I presume?

Or carapace

[hollow ibex]

i would go unarmored cara

[tall torrent]

unarmored carapace

[uncut pewter]

Wait

How do I make it rashaad axe

It's atrox

[tall torrent]

wrong axe

rashad mk3 is combat axe

[uncut pewter]

Gah fuck

WEll still have 130k plasteel left

[hollow ibex]

keep the taxe

it's a good weapon too

[uncut pewter]

Sounds good

I suppose I just don't have enoug hexperience to know what weapons I'd want to pair with tactical axe

So I'm considering just focusing on learning Zealot class again first.

Bolt guns seems fun but cumbersome weapons as I'd like quick options to killing ranged enemies

[tall torrent]

range spec builds

[uncut pewter]

Combat axe sorry, my brain is bit sluggish!

I like melee focus or emphasis even if I'm doing it on vet and that was recommended to me

As a very good "Useful in all situations axe"

[tall torrent]

tac axe's strong suit is that it works without much talent spec and offers a lot of defensive value
but it is not the best at dps

[tall torrent]

melee spec hybrid builds

[uncut pewter]

Got it, also I know this heavily depends on build

But is krak grenades more popular, or shredder?

[tall torrent]

krak prob best vet nade atm esp for havoc
tho it is more costly to run due to needing a really stupid talent tax

frag still rly strong

smoke got better, it's ok but can still use more buffs

[uncut pewter]

Honestly

I'm considering smoke because it's funny and underused.

I just need to figure out and make sure I understand placement or ideal cases for it

[tall torrent]

smoke is not complex

throw it at where u want to be

this is not a CS smoke grenade

this is more like an assassin's creed smoke bomb

[uncut pewter]

Alas I never played that

But I think I get it, I just don't want to make habit of throwing it in most inconvenient places

Is there any ranged weapons you'd suggest to be paired with rashaad axe?

[shy sphinx]

Smoke is just x time of no getting hit by gunners, no need to overthink it

[narrow frost]

not really

its more then that

[shy sphinx]

Ah ok

[narrow frost]

it stops most specials too

[shy sphinx]

I yield to anyone with even 1 minute of vet experience

(Neved played it)

[void dragon]

will keep it in mind, thanks mate

[uncut pewter]

Though actually out of curiosity, I wanted to ask on your opinion with power falchion in general as I understand it isn't super popular yeah?

I just find powered weapons neat so I was thinking about trying it.

[narrow frost]

havent used it

[tacit sonnet]

except when it doesn't

[uncut pewter]

Valid enough

[tacit sonnet]

I remember getting netted while being is a smoke last time I played vet

Doubt it was fixed

so not 100% consistent

[narrow frost]

trappers still shoot in smoke

they just need to get way closer

[tacit sonnet]

I think they also can just randomly hit you like usual

[void dragon]

its performance is under stuff like rashad, who doesnt need to manage a resource, so it's a little underwhelming

[tall torrent]

it's supposed to be a more agile power sword

what it is rn:
half of power sword's single target dps
way below half of power sword's mixed horde dps
abysmal performance when not activated (which u will have to cope with)
no good atk for stagger vs rager groups
big movement slowdown while doing heavy atks
heavy atks have long windup
same mobility stats as "average"

[void dragon]

to be fair, Psword damage is busted

[tall torrent]

yea

[uncut pewter]

Makes sense

So flaws and no real upsides to it?

Or is there upsides, just that it's marginal

[void dragon]

Rashad takes like 3-4 hits to kill a crusher on a solid build
Psword does in on a PA+a light

[tall torrent]

well
it's not horrible it's just not "good"

[void dragon]

you can def use it and thrive in a game

but its numbers should be better

[tall torrent]

also its blessing pool is abysmal

[hollow ibex]

i like the vfx and sfx it makes when powered on

so there's that

[void dragon]

That feels like a recurringissue, the blessing revalance patch needs to happen at some point

[hollow ibex]

i'd say it's genuinely a decent weapon when powered on

problem is it's often not powered on

[tall torrent]

december 2027 (5th anniversary)

[void dragon]

issue is that it needs to be powered on

[void dragon]

i was shooting for 3040, that is a big improvement

[uncut pewter]

Makes sense

Thanks folks! I might just try to grind it up

Just to get a vibe for it and then switch to something better if I feel it's restricting me.

Part of me is worried I'm leaning on very strong weapons as crutch because I feel unusually powerful using psyker's greatsword and I'm worried that it's less about skill expression and that the GS is ridiculously good so could be fun going with underdog pick

[tall torrent]

FGS is ridiculously op

But that’s more like

Psyker being op in general

[uncut pewter]

Valid

[void dragon]

Psyker being op is both infuriating for me and lore accurate

[uncut pewter]

Would I be hamstringing myself hard trying to use power falchion as melee oriented veteran/hybrid? I understand if it's less effective all rounder. I'm just asking in case there's some kind of intensely bad/garbage coverage with certain mobs or matchups

[hollow ibex]

it can work, you just need to plan ahead

i.e., not have the weapon power off when a crusher pack shows up

[calm shard]

You need rending to do reasonable carapace damage

[uncut pewter]

Got it

It also struggles against ragers yes?

Might have to pick up a gun that can deal with those if so.

[hollow ibex]

tbf mk1 actually has pretty good crusher damage. this is under ideal circumstances, but even without rending strikes it's usable

[hollow ibex]

yeah you'll need gun or blitz if a pack shows up

[uncut pewter]

I also need a gun that can actually pick off things at range

I don't have good understanding of vet catalogue, but one or two things that comes to mind is maybe revolver or bolt pistol with the explosion knockback blessing that Ainz recommended to me once if I struggled with ragers

Should I assume mobility is the dump?

[tall torrent]

On a hybrid build it’s ok

It’s just facing really tough competition

[uncut pewter]

Understood!

Big appreciation to all of the questions being answered!

Is there any recommendations as far as paired weapons for this build to have good coverage?

[hollow ibex]

i would take frags but for ranged weapons you can run whatever

[uncut pewter]

Actually

silly question

How does smoke interact with ragers?

[uncut pewter]

Also could you toss me the build link for that to use as frame of reference?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

Nothing happens

[narrow frost]

smokes goes into their eyes and they get angrier

[uncut pewter]

Damn, so only if they shoot? I wasn’t sure if it messed up enemies ability to hit you in melee or not

[narrow frost]

they kill you....

[uncut pewter]

New ability upgrade, pepper spray smoke

[tall torrent]

Best melee vs rager spam is just this

[narrow frost]

like this

[uncut pewter]

Ran through the gauntlet…

[narrow frost]

shredded

I was doing H40 solo with no talents

thats what I deserve

the blender

[uncut pewter]

Lmaooo

I actually might want to try solo stuff it seems interesting

And good way to become good

[narrow frost]

its very good learning experience and removes lag

[uncut pewter]

Nooo

[narrow frost]

and removes the worst modifier in the game

[uncut pewter]

I want to blame lag for misplays

[narrow frost]

teammates

[shy sphinx]

Dumbass

[uncut pewter]

Damn

Hahaha

[hybrid plover]

i can't believe ainz is fucking dead 😔

[uncut pewter]

But yeah I’m just bit overwhelmed by veteran weapon catalogue for ranged options so if there’s any popular hybrid builds weapon that works well with falchion I’d welcome any recommendations!

[void dragon]

BOY im kinda surprised how in spite of psykers having SO MUCH power i still see so many die like crazy or fail to kill even the most basic trappers even when they are marked and stunned by a storm-nade

[tall torrent]

what guns do u have atm

[uncut pewter]

Oh not much right now I have bolt pistol leveled up and few other things but very limited. It's more about "I want to grind up my mastery for a worthwhile gun to compliment as I grind up power falchion too."

[hybrid plover]

it's crazy how a class that lets you ignore basic fundamentals of the game, also makes it that you also don't learn those fundamentals

[uncut pewter]

Mind if I ask what is busted about psykers specifically

Don't get me wrong, I definitely felt the power

[tall torrent]

uh
revolver?

[uncut pewter]

I'm just not sure if I can articulate how or why it's so potent

[hybrid plover]

"what is busted about psykers"

you could write a fucking college essay regarding this topic

[tall torrent]

there's not much that isn't busted abt psyker

but

the main 5 points are

1. soulblaze's ability to scale DPS indefinitely into density thanks to talents & blessings
2. psyker's weapons that straight up don't interact with cleave therefore further nullifying density
3. psyker has busted CDR (yes even after CDR rework and nerf)
4. psyker's direct dmg scaling is ludicrous for how many buffs u have (u quite literally can spawn in with 22.5% base crit chance on a finesse class)
5. smite

[uncut pewter]

Generous or overtuned talents that makes them better at certain roles than others or etc etc?

CDR?

[hybrid plover]

I'd argue psyker's CDR is even worse than it was before

[steep flower]

This is a team-based game; don’t fall into ‚single player’ mindset - nothing worse in such games than a bunch of individualists

[hybrid plover]

It's just that it's also fully selfish compared to how it used to function

Which kinda makes psyker even more powerful in comparison

[tall torrent]

psyker is so busted that even if vet could run 5 blessings on power sword (BM + cycler + sunder + slaughterer + rampage) to be able to 1-hit kill 4 ragers per swing, vet still isn't half as strong as psyker

[austere mica]

They're (were) glass cannon character in a game where its possible to just not bet hit whole also pumping numbers the whole time

[hybrid plover]

They are not a glass cannon.

[austere mica]

They were

[hybrid plover]

This has not been the case since the rework.

[uncut pewter]

I'd imagine there's a trap, but I think there's still useful lessons and habits to learn if you are not reliant on other party members for it

[hybrid plover]

The DR you can amass with psyker is actually nuts.

[uncut pewter]

Or is capable of confronting all threats on your own as needed instead of explicitly relying on someone to deal with something because you lack the finesse for it

[steep flower]

Ofc; i learned such things however in a team not by playing solo

[steel barn]

Is TacAxe good and if so, which variant is best?

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe is great.

[austere mica]

Mk7 or 2
Run with headtaker brutal momentum flak unarmored

[hybrid plover]

Mk7 is the traditional pick\

but

I like mk4 a lot.

[austere mica]

This is non negotiable

Perks blessings wise

[steel barn]

Cool, thank you

[uncut pewter]

It's more of a personalized training is how I see it. You can learn it in a team environment but it's less consistent and harder to know what the takeaway is when there's more variables.

[steel barn]

Is mobility still the dumpstat?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[tall torrent]

nah

[uncut pewter]

"Am I doing good or am I only doing good because I have a teammate that is unknowningly supporting me and thus my flaws." so it takes a little bit more time to sort it out.

[tall torrent]

unarmored carapace

[steel barn]

Alr time to go roll one then, this tacaxe I got has Crit Bonus as dumpstat

[hybrid plover]

Bromentum while it's amazing

[steel barn]

Then i'll upgrade and put the right perks and blessings on it

[orchid hemlock]

I think u can get away with carapace instead of unarmored now that Vet has cracked melee damage

[calm shard]

I use Mk IV tac axe with headtaker+decimator

Much better as a sidearm for gun vet

[void dragon]

I saw some that dont even pull their melee in spite that EVERYTHING is already on fire, like USE YOUR MELEE! ITS MORE DAMAGE

[hybrid plover]

There are other options if you want something that can amass more raw damage on a single target

[austere mica]

I'd take it for consistency anyway

[tall torrent]

no, unarmored still good

[steel barn]

Oh is TacAxe a better single target weapon?

[hybrid plover]

Like shred because crits do a lot for your carapace and unyielding damage

[tall torrent]

flak however not needed

[hybrid plover]

It depends on what you want to do with it

Tac axe is a very good fit all, low investment melee weapon.

I've personally been running shred + headtaker because crushers are annoying and crits help a lot against them.

[steel barn]

Was gonna run it along side bolter but idk if it's a good match up. Just ran this build i'm testing with Bolter + Combat Axe, not sure if I got the right perks/blessings on it tho

[uncut pewter]

Makes sense, I played exclusively melee psyker build so haven't done much with soulblaze, or smite. But greatsword to my understanding is ridiculously strong. and I did notice scrier's gaze being like... 10 seconds CD consistently for me haha.

[hybrid plover]

I also run mk4 with that setup because mk4 uppercut + special chain is very potent for single target damage

Along with good stagger

[steel barn]

Oh right, cool

[hybrid plover]

But mk7 is the easier one to use overall

[steel barn]

I'm just tryna see if Bolter works well with Executioners stance so tryna find a good melee option to go well with it

So was thinkin TacAxe or Combat Axe

[hybrid plover]

Bolter does in fact work well with exe stance

and I'd say tac axe would be a better fit because of mobility purposes

[steel barn]

I like the instant draw on activation, very nice

Makes sense, i'll probably try get a good tac axe then

Feel lucky, only took 2 attempts to get 60 mobility tacaxe

[hybrid plover]

also

A note.

Tac axe is the one weapon that doesn't really need trench fighter.

So depending on how you wanna set your tree, it's particularly efficient with that.

[steel barn]

Yeah was thinking of not running trench fighter tbh

Tbh idk if there's anything worth dropping for something else in my current build

[tall torrent]

not the only one

DS also can skip

falchion debatably too

[hybrid plover]

Falchion?

That's a surprising one

Honestly the attack speed feels crappy even with trench

Or rather

Not the attack speed itself but more the animations?

Falchion just feels weird.

[steel barn]

Could I get some feedback on thsi build btw please? Feel like there's probably some perks that need switching around or certain things that could be dropped. Not really sure

[hybrid plover]

It can do with some work.

For one.

You really, really want One Motion.

Even if you have Exe Stance, you still want to have a consistently faster swap speed for Bolter.

[steel barn]

True, I forgor about that perk tbh

[hybrid plover]

Two, you don't need that node right under the shredders.
Three, you really don't want Get Back in the Fight.
Four, you don't need any more nodes under 25% ammo but, if you do want one, stam delay is just much better. It's debatable as to if you even need 25% ammo tbh but I get why you'd want it for bolter.

[serene bough]

U need to invest less at the top and more on bottom right

[hybrid plover]

In general ye

You want bottom right nodes if you're going focus target tbh

There's just too much damage you're losing out on not going down that side of the tree.

[hollow ibex]

Just light spam on Mk 1

[steel barn]

Tbh I did feel the build was top heavy. Didn't realise bottom right was worth investing in.
Also yeah, the 25% ammo feels useful for bolter, I tear through ammo with this build a lot more than with others and it's noticable

Anything in particular I should grab from bottom right tree?

[hybrid plover]

The nodes in particular are Reciprocity, Desperado, Agile Engagement, Skirmisher and Exploit Weakness.

[austere mica]

And the +25 tough in the center

[hybrid plover]

Those five nodes are a big part of why Vet is considered the second best class rn

Because they just result in so much extra damage

[verbal token]

Those nodes are damn near must-takes and mandatory for high level play.

[steel barn]

I've dropped get back in the fight, the shredder node, and everything past 25% ammo, can only get down to Skirmisher on the right tree

[austere mica]

You can also just vomit grenades for 3 extra points

[steel barn]

Also dropped The Bigger They Are

Not sure what else to drop so I can get Exploit Weakness

[hybrid plover]

Honestly.

[steel barn]

Which perk point is that for?

[hybrid plover]

I know grenadier is a good node for shredders but

[austere mica]

3 nodes

[hybrid plover]

Ya might wanna just take it off for the sake of this build

[austere mica]

Tinker, demo team, and grenadier

[steel barn]

Might try that then tbh

[hybrid plover]

Yeah or on the other side

Just make a full on grenade build lol

[steel barn]

Oh cool, tbh I've wanted to do a grenadier type thing so might try that on another build

I do wanna do that at some point

I wanna get this bolter build workin first tho

[austere mica]

I have room for all 3 on my dbarrel weapon spec build

Its really easy to fit in

[steel barn]

Never tried db tbh

Here's the build retooled with the changes, kinda wanna grab that 25 toughness node on right tree but idk what to drop for it

Running with 2 Toughness Curios and a Max Health, not sure if I should change that tho

[serene bough]

Remove the 8 stacks FT node

In place of 25+ toughness

You may also want to consider removing a node at the top for The Bigger They Are

[steel barn]

I did have The Bigger They Are but dropped it so I could put some points into right tree

Also thank u everyone who's helped

[serene bough]

If this is for bolter, id probably remove ET (top left) for TBTA

8s on exe stance is really nice

[steel barn]

Oh yeah true actually

Thank u