veteran-class

[tribal pebble]

i get told is only is good with the arbite and zealot

is wrong?

[sly orchid]

Vet is pretty good with tactical axe too

[tribal pebble]

that is amazing

i will try when am next playing

[patent sentinel]

I didn’t realize there was a wallhack mod

That’s pretty lame

[mystic lodge]

Should I use Punishing Salvo or Sustained Fire on Infantry Autoguns?

[tribal pebble]

which is best blessing with the revolver

[spark helm]

Surgical and headhunter is a pretty safe one. Easy to make use of.

[tribal pebble]

thank you

[spark helm]

Wait wait I forgot

[spark helm]

It was hand cannon. Forgot the names

Hand cannon and surgical is pretty safe on the zarona revolver.

Or whatever the one that doesn't do the hammer fan.

[hybrid plover]

Every class is good with tac axe

Extremely reliable weapon in general.

[tribal pebble]

i like hammer fan because is cow boy thing

[spark helm]

In that case, I wouldn't know what's a really strong combo since I don't use that mark often. Maybe something like hand cannon and crucian roulette/trickshooter/sustained fire.

[distant dune]

😤 IF YOU CAN BREATH, YOU CAN KILL! 😤

[hybrid plover]

Speaking of. Shroudfield with mk4 taxe.

Not bade at all.

[tribal pebble]

you should to use it more :D

it is amazing and cow boy gun

[hollow ibex]

it's more of a meme tbh

[spark helm]

I likely will at some point. Lately I've been getting deeper into havoc so I'm mostly just getting used to commonly stronger options and personal comfort picks. Knowing how this game works these days it's probably a fun little thing to do up to auric difficulties.

More of a sharpshooting cowboy enjoyer myself so I've had a very close relationship with the stub revolver across every class that could use it before arbites finally existed. Can't remember the last time I used the hammer fan mark but I've seen people post cool stuff with it before.

[tribal pebble]

What is havoc is?

[spark helm]

It's highest difficulty block currently in the game. You can go up its ranks, taking on those increased differences all the up to havoc 40 currently. Typically people use the party finder system to set up lobbies or organize pre-made squads with friends elsewhere. Most of my friends that do play this game don't play much nor are experienced enough for things like damnation and auric difficulties so when I play with them it's usually heresy/less intense damnation missions (no maelstroms or additional modifiers).

[tribal pebble]

Oh i will do this one day I hope

It sounds like is have scary

[dark surge]

the hardest thing about havoc is finding a party

if you dont have a team or dont lfg here you will spend upwards from 30 minutes to an hour trying to find a game in party finder because every havoc 30+ is basically gatekeeping if you dont have true survivor or havoc forged

[tribal pebble]

that is sad

[hollow ibex]

havoc teams are a shitshow

even if you look for a team here

[tribal pebble]

revolver is reminding me of overwatch cassidy ultimate ability so i make to the video of it :D

[hollow ibex]

unlessy ou're willing to waste a lot of time, it's only worth playing if you have friends that you play with regularly

[spark helm]

I guess it's not too different at lower levels than auric maelstrom with some added steps. There's also a greater sense of team coordination too. The worst part for me is usually the times that I try to find games for it and when the game just crashes on me.

But I enjoy building myself up for higher difficulties in games all the time and exploring how the game itself can change.

[slow sky]

Meanwhile im almost 4k hours deep in this game and I cant do this cuz my aim fucking SUCKS

[gentle lake]

I didn't even think of this what the fuck

[tribal pebble]

I have only played to damnation to difficulty i do not know auric yet

[tribal pebble]

It is ok maybe you are best to low sensitivity if mousepad is enough amount big

I am try to play 63cm/360 in all game i play

I meaning 65

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/ocelot-metal-gear-solid-3-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid-δ-snake-eater-adamska-gif-17224591882763115211

Okay you got me fr

I'm considering this probably tonight.

[tribal pebble]

Wow he is quick

[tribal pebble]

YAY

[spark helm]

Revolver ocelot from metal gear

[tribal pebble]

He name is revolver?

[dapper coyote]

Y e s

Avg kojima game

[spark helm]

Yeh. It's a whole thing with antagonists in metal gear solid to have a naming convention involving another animal and something related to their skills/powers.

Sniper wolf, revolver ocelot, psycho mantis, etc.

Others have a more esoteric angle to themselves like The Fear, The Sorrow, The End, etc.

[tribal pebble]

That is amazing

I love animal

[dapper coyote]

A russian man obsessed with American stuff and not a single nano particle of loyalty can be found (which is why he lives to his old age)

[tribal pebble]

Is revolver ocelot super power is revolver magic?

[dapper coyote]

Nope, just bog standard wild west revolver

[spark helm]

It's pretty significant franchise tbh. It would eventually fall off due to people working with Hideo Kojima and all that but there's genuinely a lot of real sauce to those games. Worth a try if you ever get a chance to engage with the games. Highly recommend some additional education on the topics the games touch on as well since they have pretty loaded messaging.

[spark helm]

Oh no, he's just really really good at shooting and chooses revolvers as his specialization.

[tribal pebble]

He is more strong than arthur morgan?

[dapper coyote]

Nope, he's just a dude

Just a dude that lived way longer than most of the characters in the series

[spark helm]

Dunno enough about red dead but they'd probably have a nutty showdown. They're both incredible marksmen in their own right.

[tribal pebble]

I will buy maybe soon but I have many amount of story game I need finish before I buy more game

[spark helm]

My money is on ocelot just because of how wild things can get in metal gear solid as a whole.

[dapper coyote]

Yea lmao

He will live somehow

Until his age comes

[tribal pebble]

I buy many resident evil and other game that is in sale and I wanting to finish them quick

[spark helm]

Save that money where you can yeah. Highly recommend messing with GOG if you want to go the official route for library purchases.

[tribal pebble]

Oh I thought he is powerful

[tribal pebble]

What is gog is?

[spark helm]

Oh he definitely is. He's just as human as Arthur is but I'd wager his skills give him a better edge.

[tribal pebble]

Arthur is most strong?

[spark helm]

https://www.gog.com/en/

[dapper coyote]

Alternative to steam

[tribal pebble]

Oh

I like steam

I have money in steam wallet

[spark helm]

I was referring to Ocelot. Metal gear solid has a lot of things going with it where characters have cybernetic enhancements, wildly more advanced technology like sophisticated nanotechnology and crazy mechs, more modern weapons, genetic modifications and even supernatural abilities in other cases.

And ocelot is just part of this world full of super-spies and stuff like that while dual wielding revolvers.

[tribal pebble]

OH

He is cheating

[spark helm]

And he's a very accomplished soldier.

[spark helm]

Nope. He has no enhancements or anything if I recall correctly. He's just that good.

[tribal pebble]

Oh this is good

[spark helm]

Well beyond his lifespan being outrageous

[tribal pebble]

How long is he live

[dapper coyote]

There's one thing that ocelot and loose cannon have in common: not a single bone of loyalty can be found at all

[tribal pebble]

He is evil?

[dapper coyote]

Nope

[tribal pebble]

Oh

[vagrant monolith]

Any Cowboy Builds?

[tribal pebble]

This many confusing

[tribal pebble]

I LOVE COW BOY

[dapper coyote]

He views the war as nothing other than a game and just books it if he can to avoid death

[tribal pebble]

He is sneaky

[dapper coyote]

He doesn't really believe in anything, which is why he has a very long lifespan

Nothing to believe in, nothing to die for

[tribal pebble]

How long amount living

[dapper coyote]

I believe he lived until he was old as fuck

[spark helm]

I misspoke my b. He just lasts long for a mgs character meant to be a villain.

[vagrant monolith]

I should clarify, any cowboy builds based around QDSR?

[spark helm]

And like mobius said, he's pretty cutthroat. He's been involved in a lot of messed up war shit and intelligence agency stuff. But his skills are just sharp like that

[tribal pebble]

You needing to use first mark

Is very amount cow boy

[vagrant monolith]

Anything else?

Skill tree? Nades?

Abilities? Capstones?

[tribal pebble]

I think smoke bomb thing is make most sense for cowboy

There my high tech than is dynamite with other grenade

Keystone is make sense with headshot focus thing

One in left side

Cowboy is not do melee thing with weapons specialist i think

Needing executioner stance

Is like a stand off thing for quickdraw

I like to look at sniper person and aim at them

[vagrant monolith]

Focus Target?

[tribal pebble]

And when I see the flashing thing is have I sbolt

Shoot

So it is like wild west duel thing is cool

[tribal pebble]

I do not knowing name of it

It is left side stone

More headset damage

Needing to use the revolver blessing for 30% less amount spread

[tribal pebble]

This video impossible without thst

[vagrant monolith]

Source: Games Lantern https://share.google/weFdmoTyoQ3SbhHQ7

[vestal arch]

What perks and blessing do you guys run with shotgun (Agri & Zarona) and tac axe?

[vagrant monolith]

The funny ones

[vestal arch]

what funny ones?

[tribal pebble]

What this is?

[vagrant monolith]

Gameslantern

Used it?

[tribal pebble]

What to do

No i have not play this game much

[vagrant monolith]

Tap the side bar and then tap build editor

[tribal pebble]

I spent most time have playing in psykhanium

[narrow widget]

anything works but honestly weapon specialist probably is the best for revolver since you should still be relying on your melee most of the time

uhhh @tall torrent are there any focus target breakpoints on revolver

[vagrant monolith]

Would Marksmans Focus work?

[vagrant monolith]

Is Weapon Specialist just the be all end all of Vet builds? If you don't have it, you shoot yourself in the foot?

[tall torrent]

finicky

[narrow widget]

consider this
you have like 60 or so total shots
mmf depends on ranged weak spot kills and really wants you to continuously fire at enemies

[hollow ibex]

WS is really strong, and the pathing is really strong

but MMF is good too

just worse pathing

of all the keystones i think FT is the worst rn tbh

[narrow widget]

for revolver?

[hollow ibex]

oh talking about generally

for volver WS is ideal

but MMF can be very funny

if you want one-shot crusher breakpoints and whatnot

[narrow widget]

like imo just take ws and always prepared

[hollow ibex]

volver with MMF is mostly just a funny meme build

[vagrant monolith]

In my Prototype Build I'm basically just stacking weakpoint and Special/Elite Damage

MMF as the Keystone

Zarona Volver and CDC sword for Horde clear

[narrow widget]

what difficulty are you playing at

[jaunty sphinx]

what does vet take on tac axe again

[vagrant monolith]

Havoc

My bad

Whoops

Heresy

NOT Havoc

[narrow widget]

anything works in heresy

[hollow ibex]

unarmored cara + brumentum/headhunter

[jaunty sphinx]

ty

[narrow widget]

just run w it

[vagrant monolith]

Any improvements you'd recommend?

[narrow widget]

ws over mmf

[vagrant monolith]

Kek

[narrow widget]

but it honestly doesn't matter

it's heresy

[vagrant monolith]

HERESY!

[hollow ibex]

revolver sniper's viable in aurics too

you're just going to be kinda ammo hungry

lots to kill

but revolver has terrible base ammo

[narrow widget]

no time to reload

[hollow ibex]

the reload's actually very easy

you could just take lock n' load

[narrow widget]

tru

[vagrant monolith]

Which is that? Zarona or Agripanaa?

[narrow widget]

iirc the zarona had a relatively long reload tho

[hollow ibex]

fire 3 bullets, reload one bullet, get 3 bullets back

i'm using zarona

the one without the speedloader

[vagrant monolith]

Sniper Volver?

[hollow ibex]

oh it's just what i call my build

because it's primarily a ranged build

[vagrant monolith]

Oh

Lol

[hollow ibex]

where i just kill everything by sniping with the revolver

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1434805712315351070/6A14D51.MP4?ex=6918d3b3&is=69178233&hm=772dc7b072bacea9170f5da23cad74f94d16863e540b623636735e1f2937289d&

[narrow widget]

average zarona clip

[vagrant monolith]

I'm using Trickshooter and Sustained Fire w/ Carapace and Weakspot damage, any changes recommended?

[narrow widget]

surgical

[vagrant monolith]

Over?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205/reeeevolver-crusher-deleter

[narrow widget]

lowk I forgot revolver build

[hollow ibex]

this is the snipervolver build i use

surgical handcannon is pretty standard

[narrow widget]

ok yea surgical hand cannon

[vagrant monolith]

"Crusher Deleter"

[hollow ibex]

yeh

revolve reaches one shot crusher breakpoints easier than helbore mk iv

[narrow widget]

where ammo

WHO TOOK MY AMMO

AMMO!

[vagrant monolith]

I eated it

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the downside of revolver lol

[vagrant monolith]

Ive git Carapace/Weakspot, Any changes to the Prefixes?

[hollow ibex]

weakspot is really bad

don't take it

[vagrant monolith]

Noted

Reload speed?

[hollow ibex]

just take cara unyielding

you get plenty of reload speed from the talent tree

[calm shard]

+25% damage to certain health types is almost universally what weapons are going to run

for whatever 2 health types thye need it into

some weapons get value out of +crit because of extremely high finesse modifiers or long crit chains(Laspistol, Infantry Autogun, Zarona Combat Shotgun, Recon Lasgun)

[jaunty sphinx]

I know ive asked before but what does helbore take again

[calm shard]

Carapace/Unyielding

[jaunty sphinx]

blessings?

[calm shard]

Surgical+Weight of Fire for Mk IIIa/IV

Surgical/Hot-Shot+Armoursbane for MkV

[jaunty sphinx]

ty

[calm shard]

Or also weight of fire

for machinegun helbore

[hollow ibex]

this is the way

[dapper coyote]

Chat i have an idea

What if for reccy las's dump stat is stability instead of collateral?

You don't need recoil control when its a fucking las gun especially if its under ADS

Spread doesn't particularly mattered because you're fighting in CQC most of the time and you'd use ADS when the target is far away

[hollow ibex]

what do you need collateral for?

recon las has like no stagger lol

[dapper coyote]

Idk

Just a thought

[jaunty sphinx]

Holy hell I am bad with exe stance

[mystic lodge]

Should I use Punishing Salvo or Sustained Fire on Infantry Autoguns?

[jaunty sphinx]

Do you already have dumdum?

[hollow ibex]

salvo pretty much never, sustained only on agri

but yeah dumdum first priority

[mystic lodge]

yes

okay so Dumdum and Sustained Fire on Agri. Thanks

[jaunty sphinx]

kk

[spark helm]

What's tripping you up?

Are you able to maybe think of specific smaller things?

[jaunty sphinx]

I just end up tunnel visioning

[calm shard]

pretty sure tunnel vision is the keystone

[spark helm]

Before being attacked in melee?

[jaunty sphinx]

lol

Yeah

[spark helm]

Mm

[spark helm]

What weapon do you often use and/or like and gravitate to?

[hollow ibex]

tunnel vision my beloved

[jaunty sphinx]

helbore

[spark helm]

Mmhm

[calm shard]

might be worth trying the other exe friendly weapons with less zoom

[spark helm]

Where are you taking your exestance builds?

[calm shard]

Infantry Autoguns, Combat Shotguns, Bolter, or hell even the Shredder Autopistol

[jaunty sphinx]

auric mael

[spark helm]

Got you got you

[hollow ibex]

if you're on PC definitely get that fixed FOV mod

[calm shard]

being able to see while using vigilant autoguns is a cheat mod

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-dandelion-cat-silly-kitty-she-was-a-fairy-gif-14702056371420778419

[spark helm]

Something that I usually do before longer engagements is taking a brief second to survey the sides of the environment. The more familiar I am with maps (which at this point is just like breathing), the more frequently I do things like preemptive exestance. It's not always the best move but you can practice this especially well on high-intensity shock trooper maelstroms.

Going between melee and ranged as necessary for me is usually down to the in the moment seconds between getting to something else. I use walls as prefire while exestance is up, flush out things with nades by exploiting the wall hacks it comes with.

Basically, as many opportunities Ican make that can give a chance to shoot or stab something in the face is how I go about it. I move a lot, pacing myself with shooting while pressing forward if possible or pushing with other players.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[calm shard]

seriously they have SO MUCH zoom,

[hollow ibex]

yeah

it's a fucking microscope once you turn on ES too

tunnel vision should give more zoom

to live up to the keystone name

[calm shard]

yeah and make it lower your FOV

and make the game have worse texture resolution to simulate lack of depth perception

[spark helm]

@jaunty sphinx The name of the game so to speak is to enable yourself in order to maintain that momentum you need with your killstreaks. How you divide and decide what targets that matter is often up to you. I personally go with the following sort of "hierarchy" of threat:

1. Disabling specialists (trappers, hounds and mutants). Trappers will always continue to search for targets the longer they are able to stay alive. Hounds can isolate and even guarantee that a pinned player is unable to act, allowing swarming enemies to position themselves to cut others off. Mutants have a similar effect as trappers do, but are tougher and move players into the aforementioned pits. If your exestance has them and you can squeeze it in, kill them. It doesn't matter how but they're the only enemies that actually have the capacity to shut people down by removing their ability to act.

2. Bombers, flamers and bursters. Area denial and bottlenecks are where these enemies shine. They're also useful tools of potential friendly fire. Take your time learning when they need to be manipulated to that end.

[jaunty sphinx]

I see, thank you.

[spark helm]

My brain is fried rn so I'm having a hard time condensing my language here but whatever

Whatever melee skills you've developed will always be available to you. Working on your footwork here is key. Sometimes, you may just have to drop fiending for exestance through shooting and defend yourself, plain and simple. This however, can be to your advantage as melee kills are eligible for extending your killstreak. After getting more comfortable with my melee reach, damage output and movement in combination, I'll sometimes just slide through towards a group of shooters. Not only to kill them and keep the streak going, but to also take their positions and start shooting.

If you're ever willing to consider it, I highly recommend perhaps using counter-fire as a way to condition yourself to notice how shooters can gather. They're often going to be greatest source of grief should you ever have to defend yourself in melee while being assaulted from afar. It might seem a little cutthroat (it is tbh), but consider using your squad mates as living shields. Anyone immediately taking the heat of an attack also means that the enemy isn't attacking you, meaning a headshot or a melee strike serves your needs when things start to get rough. Allow yourself to be confident in your capacity and followthrough on needed commitments.

More advanced tricks like sliding backwards and firing against approaching melee enemies is also something I'll do. If say, some ragers are coming closer, I'll stand my ground with some easy shots ~5-8 meters away before sliding back and firing more or switching to melee. Something I do with those kinds of shots is sort of visualizing a "strike zone" that my aim is either going to directly track or rely on enemy behavior to give me my shots. Over time, I got to get used to applying that execution even in terrible positions. Allowing yourself to take risks is the best way to start learning how to actually play with risk in mind. Focus more on the end goal than the immediate results and allow yourself to learn.

Whenever I go down, I try to replay like the last several seconds leading up to it. If you're willing, genuinely consider recording your missions regardless of success or failure and get used to identifying your own habits in the moment. One of my oldest ones since vt2 is being extremely stubborn with cqc with ranged precision weapons and thinking I can snap fire my way out.

Like I said before, sometimes you just gotta drop that in the moment and switch back to melee. You'll eventually get a feel for your own comfort zone expanding and start noticing just how much time you really do have to start laying down some serious fire.

[hollow ibex]

holy wall of text

[spark helm]

brain fried like I said. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant mural]

Guys what blessings on vigil autogun?

[hollow ibex]

which one

[distant mural]

U mean mark?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[distant mural]

Idk i heard mk3 is best

[hollow ibex]

yeah prob

HH + DA for that one

agri can do HH/Surgical + DA

Graia Surg + DA

[distant mural]

Ok thx

Ill try graia prolly

I like more dmg

[hollow ibex]

graia is... def the worst of the 3

[distant mural]

Ok maybe not then

[calm shard]

I mean it's not bad though

[distant mural]

Its nice for headshots it oneshots almost anything

[jaunty sphinx]

level 600 poxbreaker getting on my arbys case for not running shock mines

holy

[hollow ibex]

yeah just lacking consistency imo

[spark helm]

Yikers.

[dapper coyote]

That arbys definitely did not have the meat

[jaunty sphinx]

bottom damaged twice in a row too

I dont usually like to use scorebord for anything but like

he kept going down too

[spark helm]

Aw not like this.

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-time-skip-time-phantom-cigar-gif-6933960479127071462

That's some shit

[jaunty sphinx]

he just swapped from fotf to book

holy

[jaunty sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-meme-gif-6288268472090233392

disbanded

ill just play more havoc tomorrow instead

[jaunty sphinx]

I think I'm a little tired of garden chat

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-jumping-dog-jumping-floppy-ears-floppy-gif-14025256381878649163

i wonder what he was thinking about the build you likely were running after being converted

[native ocean]

I can't believe a shit player would also be toxic

This never happens in darktide

[silver patrol]

i only facepalm to people who pick wounds and aren't zealot

and gunlugger ogryns

[distant mural]

What?wound on gunlugger ogryn?why?

[silver patrol]

oh no, i facepalm at people picking wounds and people who play gunlugger

the fusion of the two is prob even more cursed

[native ocean]

What's wrong with that

[silver patrol]

they slurp all the ammo and i cry

[native ocean]

I have that problem with arbites when I play gunlugger

Me methodically meleeing whatever I can and saving ammo for far out rangeds and I still run low on ammo due to pub arbys shotgunning poxers

Back off is such a cool subnode wish it actually did something though

[green harbor]

Irl vetmaxxing rn

[mortal aspen]

build?

[dapper coyote]

Yo plasma pistol when?

[slow sky]

Meta slave

I bet you have duelling sword on too

[distant mural]

Nah hes clearly running knoife

[green harbor]

🤑

[slow sky]

You make me sick

[cinder wagon]

what should I use as my dump stat on the plasma gun, thermal resistance or ammo?

[silver patrol]

in theory, the best distribution is 69% thermal resistance and 71 charge rate

but pratically, it's fine as long as thermal resistance is 69% or higher, charge rate is the dump stat

[cinder wagon]

aight then

[cinder wagon]

the power sword is... not what I expected it to be

[dapper coyote]

Guh?

Whats wrong with pswords?

[cinder wagon]

I didn't say there was something wrong with it

I didn't expect it to be so tiny and have the power up only last for 1 attack haha

[dapper coyote]

Power cycler

Get 2 more

Boom

[cinder wagon]

But I suppose it's one handed so it's not too similar to the relic blade yes

[dapper coyote]

Also our Psword's are recycled Pswords lmao

Its hand me downs from several generations

Not brand new ones

[cinder wagon]

True true

[dapper coyote]

Bcs brand new ones would straight up sustain wayyyyy longer than 5 strikes

[reef island]

whos kidney i have to sell to get dem new swords

[dapper coyote]

Bruh kidney doesn't have fucking value in wh40k

Its just as replaceable as our rejects and avg worker

Maybe asking Commodore Hallowette with a fuck ton of aquilas might get you a used but not totally dogshit one

[reef island]

just strap 3 of those swords together and call them a lightning claw or summink

[dapper coyote]

Hadron and Kayex would very much like screech at you but sure fucking attach Csword as well to make the Hunger and Slake.
-# temu edition

[azure narwhal]

The size is proportinate, the activation is darktide's own creation/idea

Weapon's disruption fields in 40k stay up continuously for extended periods

Some people hate it, some like it, and it doesn't matter either way, because power sword is stupidly strong

[viscid sparrow]

btw, is Out for Blood a wasted point nowadays? I used to like it back when Take a Breather wasn't a necessary node, but now idk if its worth the investment when Take a Breather is mandatory and Confirmed Kill is also a no-brainer to get...

[tribal pebble]

when i am use executioner stance i feel like i am not doing many thing

[tame lodge]

Then start doing many things

https://tenor.com/view/just-house-totally-duh-gif-23663188

[faint beacon]

Power Cycler 4 makes it one of the most overpowered melees in the game, managing to out DPS relic blade with ease

It’s absolutely fucked

Power Falchion is more similar to “Smaller Relic Blade”

But it’s ass

[cinder wagon]

God damn, alright then. It's kinda annoying having to activate it so often

[tribal pebble]

i am try but is hard

i love veteran but i feel like i am do less amount than when am be arbite

but i have less amount fun as the arbite

[hollow ibex]

it's because arbites is a braindead class

[tribal pebble]

what meaning

[hollow ibex]

vet has a higher skill floor

[faint beacon]

Use the mark 6 and tap block

[hollow ibex]

you're durable as fuck, you stagger everything, you have insane stamina

[faint beacon]

You can cancel the charge animation and spam lights

[hollow ibex]

so a very easy class to play

[faint beacon]

There’s a reason it’s so OP

[tribal pebble]

oh

[cinder wagon]

Sure I can give it a try

If you like arbites you could try zealot, they are also very strong in melee and have a good amount of toughness related perks

[surreal rune]

out for blood is great, especially if you ever expect to do horde clear

you can do one swipe of a power sword and get most of your toughness back

or throw a shredder

[viscid sparrow]

problem is that I can't afford it, since damage nodes are more appealing...

[surreal rune]

reciprocity, desperado, skirmisher are a lot of damage in general

for melee and ranged

[surreal rune]

what is your talent tree?

[native ocean]

If you can handle being a glass cannon more power to you

[viscid sparrow]

I can't.

[native ocean]

you should drop something for a toughness gen node then

I personally have both confirmed kill and out for blood on all my vet builds

[hollow ibex]

i usually only take CK

but O4B is really good still

thing is i'm usually running ES

and ES has insane toughness regen

and if you also run MMF and take tunnel vision

it's like 16% toughness per second or something stupid like that

[viscid sparrow]

I always take either WS or Tags, even with ES...

[hollow ibex]

WS also has a good toughness restore node

i've become MMF-pilled tho

[viscid sparrow]

good for you, I still have absolutely no confidence in my ability to hit heads with guns consistently enough to get the stacks in the first place...

[surreal rune]

on your toes restores 20% immediately has an inbuilt cooldown of 3 seconds

whilst confirmed kill restores 10% immediately and restores more over 10s

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

[surreal rune]

personally, i like on your toes if im really aggressive in melee

where i dont have the passive regen of catch a breath

[hollow ibex]

tbf the cooldowns are separate

so you can store 40% nearly instantly

[hollow ibex]

try it again, uptime is pretty generous now

coming from a guy with terrible aim

[surreal rune]

true

[tame lodge]

[dapper coyote]

The body is round

[gray steppe]

THIS is round

[tribal pebble]

I LOVE GROUND HOG

[gray steppe]

But that's a Hyrax.

[tribal pebble]

OOPS

i thought is groundhog

they are look like each other is

[gray steppe]

[tribal pebble]

what this is?

[gray steppe]

A cat exploding.

[tall torrent]

Wot

[kind spruce]

[cursive pike]

Hey folks. Any Veteran tips or suggestions for a brand new Darktide player? Particular talents that are really good to grab while leveling, or talents to avoid—same with weapons, anything that stands out or looks cool but isn’t very good? Really, any tips in general would be appreciated.

[hollow ibex]

this is the generic default build

remember to use your melee

vet isn't the "ranged class"

[hybrid plover]

Veteran is not a ranged focused class

[hollow ibex]

vet is a hybrid class

otherwise just fuck around until you hit level 30

[cursive pike]

Cool, I appreciate that, hyped to hear it. I don’t really want to focus on one or the other. Versatility is always nice.

Excellent. I’m really good at just fucking around, too.

[hollow ibex]

yeah vet's THE versatile class

[cursive pike]

Very cool, appreciate it. Any particular weapons or weapon combos to look out for? Or weapons that suck? I ask because when I played VT I recall some of the weapons that seemed cool ended up kinda trash. At least for a while, I guess they might have tweaked them in later patches.

[jaunty sphinx]

The only weapon Id straight up avoid is the chainaxe

[cursive pike]

Nice, great to know. Appreciate it.

I’l just try out everything else and see what I like.

[calm shard]

imo the only weapon that is truly unusable on vet are the braced autoguns

they just don't do anything

[viscid sparrow]

chainaxe is decent, but my experience with it is only on psyker.

[calm shard]

dclaw sword have a niche as sidearms for if you're using like

exe stance bolter/helbore

[jaunty sphinx]

Weapon so bad I forgot it existed

[tall torrent]

nah

just tac axe lol

DC sword fully irrelevant

[calm shard]

yeah tac axe is better

[hollow ibex]

chaxe is good now

[calm shard]

but hsword and dclaw sword are fun

[tall torrent]

everything is fun

[jaunty sphinx]

Ah

Yeah you can make basically everything work all the way up to auric

Have fun

[cursive pike]

Good stuff. And when you guys emphasize hybrid, I’m assuming it’s just common sense: ranged when there’s ranged, melee when they’re all up in my biz?

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah

Basically

[cursive pike]

Got it.

[tall torrent]

depends

[calm shard]

Ranged until there is nothing left

and then melee I guess

[jaunty sphinx]

That's the devil talking

[tall torrent]

the general rule of thumb is
shoot whatever u can't hit with ur melee within next 2s

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/gogmazios-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-4u-monster-hunter-4g-monster-hunter-wilds-gif-7967757550753361831

[tall torrent]

like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1439092998993608805/helboar.mp4?ex=6919434c&is=6917f1cc&hm=80cf562f9558a96808472969dae4424e2b2fd059e5f66c65ec480bcafdbd4a04&

[cursive pike]

Cool.

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/0cnpg4Q real

[cursive pike]

Good to go. Saved the most important question for last:

Best personality?

Kidding…

[calm shard]

voice acting female cutthroat

[tall torrent]

highly subjective

[jaunty sphinx]

Fem Loose Cannon my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

Brand shining new?

[jaunty sphinx]

Remember to only use the dueling sword and plasma gun forever only those weapons if u use anything else ur griefing kid

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-dandelion-cat-silly-kitty-she-was-a-fairy-gif-14702056371420778419

[jaunty sphinx]

WAH, MY ALLERGIES

[cursive pike]

I bought the game like…five days ago or so? I usually play 2-3 matches a night since then. So… as new as that.

[jaunty sphinx]

The most important thing you should know is that you should prioritize getting good at dodging consistently

Since that's the main way to avoid damage

[dreamy spade]

Does exploit weakness apply to yourself or the target?

[cursive pike]

Yea I suck at that. I hear the sound and hit the button but I’m too slow. Just gotta work on it I guess.

[tall torrent]

learn how to fight every enemy in the game with only melee weapon & taking no chip dmg

[calm shard]

yourself

[tall torrent]

dmg buff to self

[calm shard]

yeah

[dreamy spade]

That's pretty damn good right?

[orchid hemlock]

Dodging

Combos?

Nah

[calm shard]

be aware with lag this might be inconsistent in actual matches

[orchid hemlock]

Just kill the trapper

[tall torrent]

yea

[orchid hemlock]

😈

[calm shard]

because dreg ragers/chaos spawn are very cool enemies

[tall torrent]

it's not that bad

[jaunty sphinx]

VERY cool

[tall torrent]

lag compensation does a lot of heavy lifting

[calm shard]

the very same lag compensation that sees me doing the dclaw parry animation and still getting hit

smh

[tall torrent]

that's just DC sword being ass

but like, wat else did u rly expect

[calm shard]

I dno dclaw sword seems pretty neat

it performs in aurics at least

enough to make me think that with helby IV I could just use that to kill crushers

if it isn't rotten armor anyways

[narrow widget]

look for the good ones and avoid the bad ones

[willow prairie]

damn finally drg content update after years

[narrow widget]

waiter waiter!!! more seasonal content please!!!!

[cursive pike]

Story of my life.

No, wait… that’s the other way round, isn’t it?

[narrow widget]

Whenever you go down it's never your fault and you should immediately crash out at every other team member

[cursive pike]

Oh shit, I’ve already got that part down.

I made a little flow chart:
Sprint ahead, leave party -> fail to dodge because “lag” -> get wrecked -> yell at my team for not keeping up or picking me up -> leave -> repeat.

[narrow widget]

oh my god you're a natural

[dreamy spade]

Does lethal prox do enough for krak splash damage?

[viscid sparrow]

btw, any advice on where to put the last point into with this build? (my weapons are Rashad combat axe/non-folding shovel, and Vraks IAG)

[slow sky]

Skirmisher

Also id swap out swap speed for maybe longshot, mostly cuz none of those weapons swap particularly slowly

Won't change pathing

[hollow ibex]

if you're comfortable running one toughness node

i'd also swap 25 toughness for rending strikes

[slow sky]

The build has either combat axe or shovel
I dont think its necessary

[tall torrent]

Not really

[dreamy spade]

What if they are tight together?

[sharp epoch]

its a 25% increase but if its 1m radius it goes from 1 > 1.25

[tall torrent]

I really don’t think 0.5m extra blast center radius is a big deal

Considering how much ur giving up by taking a boltpistol in the first place

[hollow ibex]

helps IAG, might help rashad breakpoints against crushers

[tall torrent]

It’s not needed

[slow sky]

10% vs 25 base toughness is still

A huge difference

[hollow ibex]

i mean do whatever

[tall torrent]

And yea longshot does more for v5 IAG

[hollow ibex]

if you need 25 toughness

take it

if you don't, why take it

[tall torrent]

Cuz that gun’s falloff over range is ass

[hollow ibex]

i never find myself actually needing two toughness nodes for auric

[dreamy spade]

Forgive me I haven't played vet in so long, what's ideal plasma gun stats?

[slow sky]

The better your survivability the more stupid shit you can get away with

[hollow ibex]

don't need it

[tall torrent]

69% thermal, 71~72% charge rate
80% all 3 other stats

[hollow ibex]

still get away with all the stupid shit i want to get away with 🤷

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Flak
Rising heat
Gets hot

[slow sky]

So youre implying theres even more stupid shit you have no interest in getting away with

[hollow ibex]

...

whatever

take it if you find yourself going down

i'm not wasting my time arguing over semantics

or preferences

[slow sky]

But still 10% rending wont reallt be noticeable on that build

[tall torrent]

I wish the 25 TGH on right side swapped place with the +1 stamina node in the middle

[slow sky]

You'd only notice if when shooting your iag at a crusher which you wont be doing

[tall torrent]

So that you would have to have at least 1 big toughness node

[slow sky]

So why take it at all

Plenty of other nodes that have visible and potent effects

[hollow ibex]

it helps both rashad and IAG so why not when toughness won't do anything fo rme

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t make that huge of a difference tbh

[hollow ibex]

toughness makes even less of a difference for me

that's my point

not that hard to understand lol

[slow sky]

Rashad and iag are already good into the things you use them for

[slow sky]

And im not just talking about toughness

[hollow ibex]

i am

because i'm not suggesting he drop unyielding damage

[viscid sparrow]

hmmm... idk if I can get my brain and fingers to instinctively slide sideways while dodging to maintain Skirmisher stacks mid-fight...

[slow sky]

Grenade talents
Field improv
Agile
Etc

[slow sky]

Sprinting for the tiniest amount of time restacks it

[tall torrent]

Dodge slide every 10s if ur stuck in melee combat

[slow sky]

Which happens way more often than you think

[dreamy spade]

Is the power falchion considered better than the sword now?

[tall torrent]

Uh

The general consensus here is that it can use a lot of buffs

[slow sky]

Yes

[tall torrent]

My personal opinion is that it can use like 8~10 buffs

[hollow ibex]

it's better for the heretics

[viscid sparrow]

sooo... you mean I slide forwards towards the enemy I am already whacking?

[slow sky]

Its better than the devils claw sword

[hollow ibex]

any direction

[tall torrent]

Dodge left/right/back + slide

[dreamy spade]

I've never used it lol

[gentle lake]

what would be a cool plasma gun mark

[slow sky]

One that explodes the account of the person who fires it

[gentle lake]

Cole do you have beef with plasma gun as well

[slow sky]

Yes

[tall torrent]

He has beef with everything he doesn’t play

[gentle lake]

y

[tall torrent]

It’s op

Needs a bunch of changes

[slow sky]

No i have beef with the op shit thats not fun to play/play with

[viscid sparrow]

but my brain can't figure out the finger-gymnastics needed to slide in any direction but forward while mid-horde, especially without messing up the timing too often...

[gentle lake]

i think cole just hates fun

[slow sky]

Thats the opposite reason

[tall torrent]

I think Cole only likes a very specific subset of “what’s fun”

But so do I so wat can I say

[calm shard]

captive audience

[viscid sparrow]

I am practicing the timing in Meat Grinder right now, and I often end up just dodging while crouched because of the timing needed to slide without sprinting first...

[tall torrent]

Not sure how ur doing it

[dreamy spade]

drip

[gentle lake]

Your reasons include the word fun so u must hate it

I bet u play this game like a job!!!

[dreamy spade]

Unarmoured to hit gunner breakpoints in havoc I assume?

[tall torrent]

& tox bomber

because they need to die fast

[gentle lake]

I should use shovel more

[tall torrent]

also

if u don't run stance

plasma's gunner 1 taps basically require crit HS

with stance it can 1 HS with enough reliable buffs up, without crit

[calm shard]

cute gimp mask

[faint beacon]

But… you have beef with the Falchion cause it’s ass…

[gentle lake]

Do you have chicken cole

[dreamy spade]

Damn getting this plasma roll is hard

Best I got is 66 thermal

[tall torrent]

if ur broke just dump thermal to 60

[dreamy spade]

I rolled from like 3 million

[jaunty sphinx]

I got the god roll last week but I haven't been using it because cole got me addicted to double barrel

[gentle lake]

gambling....

[tall torrent]

yea I spent like 4.5M for 1 good roll

[jaunty sphinx]

According to the good people here I got the actual best possible roll since it's an 8 shot 68/72

thanks brunt

[dreamy spade]

I assume these stats are to get the blessing stacks sooner?

[tall torrent]

to maximize how many shots u can fire from 0% heat till venting

while getting least pre-fire charge time for hipfire & braced fire

[dreamy spade]

Should I ever use braced?

[calm shard]

no

[jaunty sphinx]

No

[tribal pebble]

i make person many amount angry

oops

[dreamy spade]

That's actually a compliment

[gentle lake]

The hells that over

[leaden condor]

Most gracious nurglite compliment

[dreamy spade]

She's just a nurgle worshipper

[tribal pebble]

is dead by daylight i kill him quick

[gentle lake]

pffft

[atomic void]

that's half of the game rn unironically

and since everyone runs the same stock builds u run into them frequently

[leaden condor]

Didn't build variety get better with the last few updates?

[narrow widget]

there's always the problem of people wanting the 100% best and most meta and braindead builds ever that play the game for them

[tribal pebble]

there many person take the game very amount seriously

[dreamy spade]

Is weapon swap speed worth it for plasma?

[gentle lake]

This is why I will never play the game

people are too fucking miserable lmfao.

[red portal]

that's the usual

[tribal pebble]

yes many are mean

some even go to steam profile and say mean thing

[red portal]

i find it kind of funny

[gentle lake]

I've seen it for myself yeah

mfs adjacent to league players.

[hybrid plover]

Plasma is boring

[red portal]

idk dbd players have bigger egos then league players outside of maybe ranked

[tribal pebble]

this is person who was want to make comment but i am not let them

he angry

[tropic halo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866548182909452288/1289645796400173136/evil.gif

Mfw the killers actually kill the players

[stuck gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946661851322789908/1009316500856918066/image0.gif

[stuck gorge]

literally them rn

[gentle lake]

dudes need to log off

[hybrid plover]

In terms of weapon variety, yesn't. In terms of tree setup, not really, for vet at least.

[jaunty sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/moe-self-defense-funk-dance-gun-gif-16508959

How it feels

[hybrid plover]

"freak of nature"

The self projection is reaching into the stars.

[tribal pebble]

this is funny

[jaunty sphinx]

"Everyone who's better than me is unemployed" is the most insane shitter cope I've seen in recent times

[dreamy spade]

What about with focus target or DMG aura

[viscid sparrow]

as if the people saying that aren't also unemployed (unemployed are equals in terms of a lack of job, so calling someone unemployed is meaningless in that situation)

I myself am unemployed, but my mental state wouldn't exactly survive the stress of other people's expectations at a job of almost any kind, so I at least have an excuse...

[tall torrent]

both will get u closer but best consistency essentially requires stance

25%Wdmg + 25%dmg for ranged atks is just really hard to beat

[dreamy spade]

I guess survivalist is a must for plasma in havoc anyway

[jaunty sphinx]

I run survivalist because I like my teammates

[tribal pebble]

ios plasma gun is good?

[tall torrent]

yea

[jaunty sphinx]

Too good, yeah

[tribal pebble]

i have never used this is in normal game

only psykhanium

it was not look many good

[jaunty sphinx]

It's ludicrously strong

[hybrid plover]

Boaring

[jaunty sphinx]

It does a lot of damage, and shots go through everything

[tribal pebble]

OH

i thought laser gun only hurt one enemy

[jaunty sphinx]

You mean the plasma gun or the lasgun?

[faint beacon]

They’re going to eventually make it moderately useable or I’m killing myself

[jaunty sphinx]

Please

[tall torrent]

kinda

[viscid sparrow]

if only people didn't spam it at literally every regular ranged enemy at medium-range instead of rushing into melee.

those types of players keep running out of ammo and getting killed later...

[hybrid flame]

A lot of people don't get the rock paper scissors of this game, or that a good loadout has you going in with all three.
To be fair fat shark doesn't explain it well in tutorial

[manic panther]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05b451e-c7aa-4045-b15b-7319d2dd8053/bleed-vet-havoc-viable?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button Got this build from a friend of mine the other day and i must say, i love it

[hybrid flame]

Bled

[manic panther]

bleed 'em heretics dry

[viscid sparrow]

laser gun is the rifle-looking one that shoots red, deals low damage and hits only one enemy.

plasma gun is a big gun with blue glow in the middle of it that shoots blue, deals very big damage, and the shots go through everything and anything to deal damage.

[tribal pebble]

yes i thought is all laser

because is light and is heat thing

but plasma is different

so is make sense

i unlock gold pants hooray

i am not know how

but it is cool

[hybrid plover]

As a fellow shovel db lover

I feel this could be better

[manic panther]

objectively, yes

but for what it is now, it's really fun

a lot of fun actually

most fun i've had with a vet build in a looooooong time

[hybrid plover]

Cuz you legit don't even need those three nodes on bottom left at all

[manic panther]

possibly

i just like em

30% weakspot dmg is always nice, and 20% strenght on ability is really good

[tribal pebble]

is voice of command is good?

[hybrid plover]

The weak spot doesn't so much for those two weapons particularly. And the uptime on marksman is...

Eh.

Tac awareness nerf really hurt the red nodes hard. :(

[calm shard]

yeah

golden toughness is overpowered

[tropic halo]

what kinda of question is that

smh

[calm shard]

and VoC is easily the better of the two sources of it

[tribal pebble]

what it is doing?

[hybrid plover]

The kind a new player would ask

[dreamy spade]

I think I notice a slight difference for swap speed with plasma gun

[stuck gorge]

as long as you have gold toughness any dmg you take cant hurt you

[tropic halo]

what happened to gamers to try out things first hand smh

[calm shard]

so that node on VoC that says +50 toughness when you use the abiltiy gives you what is colloquially known as "golden toughness"

While you have any amount of golden toughness you are immune to all health damage

[tribal pebble]

WOW

[calm shard]

even from things that would normally deal damage through it

You are straight up invincible if you have any of it

[stuck gorge]

you have 1 point of gold toughness and you can just straight up eat that overhead up

[tribal pebble]

that is good and cool

[tropic halo]

You can take a hit from a crusher or mauler overhead with golden toughness

[calm shard]

There are a handful of exceptions like ground fire still hurts

[tropic halo]

And still be full health

[tribal pebble]

this is sound better than executioner stance

[calm shard]

it is better...probably?

harder to say these days

[tropic halo]

Exe stance serves a different purpose

[tribal pebble]

i feel like i am doing the same thing with executioner stance as without it

[tropic halo]

All abilities are different in their own ways

Voice of command staggers everything around

[stuck gorge]

exe stance = target prioritization
VoC = support for full team + stagger

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance is very good in its own right.

[stuck gorge]

wall hacks on like every enemy is pretty good

[calm shard]

exe stance also has support for your team with born leader

[tribal pebble]

i never do anything with it

[tropic halo]

[calm shard]

20% of the toughness an exe stance veteran is regenerating is a fucking huge amount

to just give people

[dreamy spade]

I remember my old plasma clips with exe stance lol

Before survivalist nerf

[sharp epoch]

plasma balenced

[tropic halo]

well VoC is far more easy to use, great at crowd control when things get out of hand while also helping your teammates

[tall torrent]

can still be hurt by toughness-bypass atks

[tropic halo]

Unless is havoc?

[tall torrent]

no just in general

gold toughness doesn't make u suddenly invulnerable vs getting blown up by barrels

[calm shard]

wouldn't that be nice though

imagine the freedom

[dreamy spade]

I think they should add more environment interactions

Like hitting the floor breaks it on certain bits

[tropic halo]

arkham trilogy environment takedowns type shit

Have ceiling fans that if the player shoots, it will fall and stagger enemies

maybe killing

[tribal pebble]

which infantry lasgun is best?

[tropic halo]

never

[dreamy spade]

None

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-denji-pochita-makima-power-gif-26909611

[tribal pebble]

oh

[stuck gorge]

its been powercrept

[tropic halo]

do not infatry lasgun

[stuck gorge]

i dont think they've been touched since launch

[tropic halo]

i think so

You are better using recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

all 3 are ok
none of them are great tho

[dreamy spade]

I remember when ciag was the meta

[tall torrent]

still is

[tribal pebble]

that is sad

which is best helbore lasgun?

[tropic halo]

Let me tell you, hellbore is gonna be awful to play as new player or trying first time

[calm shard]

all three are good

[dreamy spade]

I haven't heard the helbore shot in a long time

[tropic halo]

one shot, one kill

[leaden condor]

One shot no kills

[toxic reef]

yeah I hated the leveling experience, never touched it again until tree rework and I could do a really good exec stance MMF build

[tall torrent]

all 3 are good
depends on what u prefer in feel

I like mk5 more than the other 2 for rapid response & faster firing

[tribal pebble]

which is most ammo efficient

[calm shard]

all 3 helbores have infinite ammo with shocktrooper

[tall torrent]

depends

[calm shard]

I guess the Mk V would have infinite-er

[tribal pebble]

how to do this

is the talent of critical hit with free ammo?

[calm shard]

yeah

[tribal pebble]

it is good?

[narrow widget]

yes

why would it not be good

[stuck gorge]

helbore have access to surgical so aiming means you don’t spend ammo

because you get free crit chance

[tribal pebble]

i meaning in relative for other talent

like is worth it

[heavy rover]

yep

[tribal pebble]

OH

that is amazing

i will try this

[heavy rover]

yeah, I've played entire auric games without needing to pick up ammo

[tribal pebble]

i am excited

[heavy rover]

at the very least, make sure you use surgical, but the rest of the helbore is up to you

[gusty escarp]

They need a Plasma Gun variant with a bigger blast radius

Veteran is already the best Grenadier class. More explosions seem right.

[heavy rover]

just overheat the plasma, you are the blast radius

[stuck gorge]

Secondary plasma gun mark where you just throw the overheating power cells

[hybrid flame]

Secondary plasma mark where your character blows on it to cool it down

[tribal pebble]

i think i will to use the strong one

i wish to carry 2 gun with helbore and revolver

this would be cool

[jaunty sphinx]

yeah...

[urban sentinel]

I noticed surgical only starts stacking when charging this intentional or bug? The first time you aim surgical stacks

After the first shot only stacks when charging

W/hellbore

[slow sky]

They did this with bolter and most players think that mark blows

(It doesnt but ppl think it does)

[tropic halo]

bolter mark better than the OG

[formal ice]

But it does

It stuns a big area which is good when you are fighting hordes

[tropic halo]

Still good for single target snipes

[formal ice]

Exactly

[tropic halo]

and better ammo economy

[formal ice]

You just lose 100 damage

[faint beacon]

Because of the classic why X when Y better even though it’s just a stat difference or different approach on playstyle

[tropic halo]

need my power fantasy weapons all the time

they must kill everything in one hit

[gentle lake]

exactly

I need to kill crusher in one hit

[tall torrent]

If it had a 15r mag it’d be much nicer

[tepid otter]

Started playing Rogue Traders, wish the plasma shots in DT shit the same way as in that game

[faint beacon]

If it doesn’t 1 Tap crushers I’m killing myself

[tepid otter]

Dont do eet

[slow sky]

Ive never had any issues with its mag capacity

[hybrid plover]

It really doesn't

[formal ice]

But it does

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't.

[formal ice]

Does

[faint beacon]

Especially on Vet

[formal ice]

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't.

[formal ice]

Does

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't.

[formal ice]

Does

[faint beacon]

I see myself using the explosive Variant more on Zealot though tbh

[tall torrent]

I think it’s alr, just the smaller mag size makes it less attractive

The main upside to me isn’t even the AoE explosion

It’s the hipfire accuracy

[hybrid plover]

That and

[tall torrent]

Not doing 2r burst

[hybrid plover]

It also doesn't fire two shots on hipfire.

[faint beacon]

Better ammo Econ

Mhm

Why I like it tbh

[hybrid plover]

Which ironically makes it better economically for me than base bolter

[formal ice]

I like big boom

[faint beacon]

Yes stat wise base Bolter is better but like

[hybrid plover]

It also means it's just better for more aggressive play since you don't have to ADS for an accurate one shot

[faint beacon]

It’s dependent on build imo

[slow sky]

Idk the aoe really is the biggest selling point

[tall torrent]

It only does bursting better

[rich aurora]

lol they did a similar thing with the MK5 duelling sword. The parry changes the weapon's level to 650 or 700 if it's on a Psyker.

But it's only for the special attack

[hybrid plover]

If I'll be real

AoE bolter synergizes really well with exe stance

[tall torrent]

Both do

[hybrid plover]

I think AoE does more though

[tall torrent]

Mk3 just can play like plasma cuz u can hipfire snipe

[slow sky]

On zealot its basically a faster flamer but only for hordes, while still having hitscan ranged
On ranged vet its literally just a bolter but you trade a tiny bit of all its stats for being able to keep lesser enemies off you without needing to swap to melee

[formal ice]

Love seeing agurments start just because I said one mark is good

[tall torrent]

20% of mag size isn’t a tiny trade tbh

[rich aurora]

nope

[hybrid plover]

I don't even think this is an argument

Everyone is kind of on the same page

[slow sky]

When its in reality 3 shots and you have multiple reload talents

[formal ice]

Council

[slow sky]

Its not much of a difference

[hybrid plover]

AoE bolter is genuinely good for what it's supposed to do. It's just the ammo count that makes it a bit less appealing.

[tall torrent]

Multiple reload talents that compete with the bottom half of vet tree while vet tree still has bad tax nodes

[tall torrent]

I don’t mind reserve ammo being a bit lower, just the mag size being slightly higher would make it more appealing

Because u prob want to avoid putting 4 points into starting section to get CK + OM + LS + VA

Most likely just CK + OM + TR

So a 12r gun is more like 11r till reload

Or, if the +25% mag size talent was way easier to reach, maybe it’d be nicer

If that +25% mag size talent was placed in GBITF’s spot it’ll prob be good

[rich aurora]

Just baseline it at this point

[hybrid plover]

Petition to bake 25% extra ammo into the class

It would make sense to be honest.

[rich aurora]

Yup

[hybrid plover]

Because right now that node is just

Weird.

Because for the weapons you'd really want it for, it's in a weird spot in the tree.

For the weapons that you literally don't need it for, you have to take it.

It doesn't make sense.

[tall torrent]

Vet tree still needs work

[midnight totem]

Yes, reduce cd for infil

add more move speed for melee vet builds

give me a space marine power sword

[tribal pebble]

skirmisher is good?

[tall torrent]

Top tier

Always take

[tribal pebble]

i thought is look amazing but i wanted for check if it is good

thank you

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado + skirmisher + exploit weakness

Basically non-negotiable

Just always take

[tribal pebble]

is tunnel vision is good?

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[tribal pebble]

i am level 29 i will get when have 30

this is what i am use

is ok?

[tall torrent]

No

[tribal pebble]

oh

which to change

[tall torrent]

A lot

What weapons are u using

[tribal pebble]

i remake talent thing for helbore lasgun

i choose which i think is ok for it

i wanting to shoot elite enemy

[hybrid plover]

Confirmed Kill is really important with Helbore

[tribal pebble]

i also am using tactical axe

[hybrid plover]

Because Helbore first and foremost is a priority target killer.

[tall torrent]

left branch basically isn't worth investing below precision strikes unless helbore sniping

[tribal pebble]

toughness regeneration perk is good?

[tall torrent]

in which case u only take shock trooper route

[tall torrent]

if ur talking abt the curio perk, no

[hybrid plover]

Do you mean Confirmed Kill?

[tribal pebble]

but you say confirmed kill

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[tribal pebble]

oh

[hybrid plover]

It's extremely good.

[tribal pebble]

why to not use marksman focus?

[tribal pebble]

yay

[tall torrent]

massive opportunity cost

[hybrid plover]

Because the toughness regen you gain stacks for each elite/spec you kill

[tall torrent]

keystone itself good

pathing to it isn't

[tribal pebble]

OH

that is good

[tribal pebble]

but i need for using the shock trooper

[tall torrent]

yea for helbore u take this instead

[tribal pebble]

oops i never meaning to take keep their heads down

that was accidental

kill zone is bad?

[tall torrent]

not remotely as good as right side's dmg talents

[hybrid plover]

Not that it's bad more that it's competing with a lot

[tribal pebble]

meaning other is better?

[hybrid plover]

Ye

[tribal pebble]

oh

it is not good for have 15 stack of focus?

[tall torrent]

it's good, comes down to what u can afford

vet tree is an illusion of choice

[tribal pebble]

i have 1 more point

which should buy?

[tall torrent]

because the standard spec in bottom half looks smth like this

and by this point u just won't have many points left

[tribal pebble]

i have this

in level 30 i can get the bring it down

[tall torrent]

show whole tree + what weapons (emphasis on s) are u using

[tribal pebble]

i am wanting to use helbore lasgun many amount

and tactical axe

[tall torrent]

last point put into 15 stack MF or 25 toughness (right side)

unless havoc

but ig ur not playing havoc any time soon

[tribal pebble]

oh ok i will copy

why to not use exhilerating takedown?