solidifying its victory as THE most weapon ever in darktide
#veteran-class
calm shard
austere mica
It can like
Melt captain shields
And open bulwarks
And besides that its just Weapon
versed mural
Yeah, I’m just experimenting and trying to play with stuff that’s not just “the meta”
versed mural
Just, don't.
Yeah I just learned that on the Karnak twins lol
austere mica
The issue with that is smaul isn't even very fun
Its just
Completely mid
In every single respect
versed mural
The issue with that is smaul isn't even very fun
What do you like? Melee wise, on veteran
hybrid plover
In every single respect
Not even because it's probably the worst at boss killing.
austere mica
What do you like? Melee wise, on veteran
On everyone
versed mural
I don’t think I’ve played with the chainaxe at all yet, I need to try that
austere mica
It just
hybrid plover
I genuinely don't think there's a worse weapon for that.
austere mica
Isn't a fun weapon
jaunty sphinx
Yeah, I’m just experimenting and trying to play with stuff that’s not just “the ...
Try shovelllll and the axes
versed mural
Try shovelllll and the axes
Yeah I’ve been enjoying the shovel a lot. That was a pleasant surprise
versed mural
Insanely good
What blessings do you like on the shovel?
versed mural
Thanks
jaunty sphinx
They both affect your damage the more you hit enemies in the head
versed mural
What exactly is the “power” stat?
jaunty sphinx
Try not to swing randomly since if you miss your decimator stacks reset
Something someone more knowledgeable than me can explain but iirc it's the best kind of damage boost
versed mural
Something someone more knowledgeable than me can explain but iirc it's the best ...
That’s the most I’ve ever understood it
versed mural
Try not to swing randomly since if you miss your decimator stacks reset
Thank you
jaunty sphinx
Decimator can stack a ton so it's good for long engagements with hordes and can deal decent carapace headshots
Use the push attacks for single target
austere mica
Skullcrusher is also good
jaunty sphinx
Or spam lights
austere mica
Because its skullcrusher
azure narwhal
Yeah you can run skullcrusher + uncanny just as well on the good shovel
Special into push attack
Spam heavy for hordes
Sleep
Wake up, realise you play darktide all day and are miserable
jaunty sphinx
Idk I've been enjoying myself playing this game recently
azure narwhal
I'm joking, i love darktide
jaunty sphinx
ah
azure narwhal
If the servers ever crash or something i put my head through the monitor, hence decapitating myself
mortal aspen
Idk I've been enjoying myself playing this game recently
objectively wrong
Darktide bad
jaunty sphinx
Oh true actually I didn't think of that
mortal aspen
What exactly is the “power” stat?
power isn't a stat in dt. it's what strength used to be called. strength = damage, cleave, stagger
I think only one blessing has power and it just means damage there
versed mural
power isn't a stat in dt. it's what strength used to be called. strength = damag...
Thank you
versed mural
Skullcrusher is also good
Uncanny+Skullcrusher is what I was using
jaunty sphinx
Oh and take trench fighter drill and serrated blade
versed mural
Oh and take trench fighter drill and serrated blade
Always!!!
jaunty sphinx
mystic lodge
Is infantry autogun + power falchion a good combination?
dry cloak
Is infantry autogun + power falchion a good combination?
Everything is a good combo when ypu are good enough
dapper coyote
Everything is a good combo when ypu are good enough
But havoc viable or not, that's an entirely different story
dry cloak
Havoc has its own rules
azure narwhal
Is infantry autogun + power falchion a good combination?
It's fine You'll not be exactly great at carapace but kraks exist so whatever
limber bane
what are some h40 viable weapons atm apart from dueling sword
for a primarily melee build
pseudo fiber
what are some h40 viable weapons atm apart from dueling sword
Mk1 Shovel and power sword
calm shard
what are some h40 viable weapons atm apart from dueling sword
for primarily melee builds
you're looking at
pseudo fiber
Power sword is probably better than DS
calm shard
Combat Axe, Tactical Axe, Power Sword, and Shovel Mk1/Mk3
Power Sword is almost certainly better than dueling sword
And it's not even a contest
limber bane
Power sword is probably better than DS
how come?
I like PS but the constant charging feels so ass
calm shard
Like Power Sword is the hydrogen bomb
pseudo fiber
Better into mixed hordes and can still kill crushes with ease
limber bane
also main single target dmg requires you to charge - push - push attack
feels like I get left vulnerable and spent a bunch of stam doing it
pseudo fiber
You can block cancel the charge
limber bane
oh?
pseudo fiber
So you can charge > block cancel > push > PA > light > light pretty quick
limber bane
what would be the hord clear combo with that
pseudo fiber
Horde clear on power sword is just charge then light 3 times
limber bane
Horde clear on power sword is just charge then light 3 times
charge, block cancel and just light spam
pseudo fiber
Yup
pseudo fiber
Oh then yeah just tap block
limber bane
and what about the shovel is it any good?
slow sky
and what about the shovel is it any good?
shovel sucks
slow sky
and what about the shovel is it any good?
shovel is a good generalist with good blessings, good damage into potentially everything, and good safety
thorn lark
It's a safe weapon!
slow sky
not great for any specific thing, but does nothing okay or worse
pseudo fiber
You can also knock crushers out of overheads with the poke
slow sky
safety
gives you a means to avoid giving up ground
without needing an ability or anything
limber bane
shovel is a good generalist with good blessings, good damage into potentially ev...
what is the best mark and the single target/horde clear combo for it?
slow sky
mk1 is the one im bias towards, which has the stab we're talking about
the other two have the folding heads which stab into an enemy and get yanked out for 2 high damage hits
the mk1 has stupidly easy combos tho
the heavy attacks are perfect horizontal cleaving attacks for horde clear
the light attacks are strikedowns for single target (despite their angles)
the push attack is a single high damage overhead that naturally deals good damage to everything
thorn lark
it's very safe against dogs
limber bane
ty
turbid ibex
Shovel is nice but nowhere near the meta
pseudo fiber
Shovel is nice but nowhere near the meta
turbid ibex
What am i supposed to respond to this
turbid ibex
https://tenor.com/view/sigma-snake-mewing-sigma-snake-mogged-gif-170400421803432...
Snek
dapper coyote
Shovel is nice but nowhere near the meta
turbid ibex
https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he...
Apparently i do not
dapper coyote
He does not know the shovel...
turbid ibex
What happened with the shovel for it to be considered meta
slow sky
What happened with the shovel for it to be considered meta
Nothing
dapper coyote
There's nothing special about shovel, but at the same time, there's nothing bad about the shovel
turbid ibex
There's nothing special about shovel, but at the same time, there's nothing bad ...
Yeah
Its nice
But not enough to be meta
dapper coyote
Meta for what? havoc?
turbid ibex
Because its competing with shit like pord
dapper coyote
looks at Cole's Avg gameplay footage seems meta enough for me
turbid ibex
Just because it isnt meta doesnt mean its dogshit
slow sky
It falls behind power sword in damage, but not in safety
Power sword has some of the worst dodges in the game, which already can be extremely unsafe
And you cant deal damage if youre dead
slow sky
Yeah so you kill the target
Good luck meleeing that trapper shooting at you while dodge capped from your horrendous dodges
slow sky
I don't need luck
I got skills
3 million flamers
KILL this man
tame lodge
I know Cole is motivating people to play shovel because it'll be buffed on the next update due to "Trenches of Atoma"
I just can't prove it
turbid ibex
I just can't prove it
I can
tame lodge
tame lodge
3 million flamers
KILL this man
Woohoo, we got us a flamer 🗣️
Wave of flamers would be fun
surreal mountain
Waves of shovels 🙏
slow sky
Wave of flamers would be fun
You'll find them in mortis trials
tame lodge
Oooooh
I remember now
I also remembered that they weren't threatening at all
Because mortis
tacit sonnet
is anyone playing with falchions?
All I see are old powerswords, dueling swords
and SHOVELS
tame lodge
is anyone playing with falchions?
It's mid so it fell off
Anything you want to know about it?
tacit sonnet
nah
I don't play vet
Was just wondering if I dreamt falchions up and they never existed
Because I don't think I ever saw them except right on release
tacit sonnet
I see more shovels and axes and knives than falchions
distant mural
But more cleave and less single targwt
tacit sonnet
Because I don't see any at all
distant mural
I just dont like the falchion moveset or id play it more too
tame lodge
Axes are goated
Knives are goated
Shovels are mid but has bonk.sfx
Midchion is mid but no bonk.sfx
distant mural
both of them have pretty much the exact same moveset
Yeah exactly
I fckn hate it
Couldve made em more different atleast
bold sierra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3bcDPlsVRs&t=24s Man Ghost on inf Lasgun is so bussin dude
also OG exec stance lasgunning
tis good
vestal arch
Wait why is your vraks have a attachment?
verbal token
There are mods that let you customize your weapon.
tame lodge
Yeah
Basically every mod on Nexus is green lit
verbal token
Yea, but some are just small QoL changes, others are somewhat op.
vestal arch
like game breaking op?
shy sphinx
You can mod this game?
Oh you have no idea
vestal arch
Oh you have no idea
I didnt know, cause the game is online-multiplayer
and i thought modding the game might get you banned
verbal token
like game breaking op?
In a sense. Some are just genuinely extremely helpful.
shy sphinx
INSTALL 50 MACROS AND ANIMATION CANCELER RAHHHH
verbal token
I didnt know, cause the game is online-multiplayer
Games like Helldivers 2 and SM2 allow modding as well.
tame lodge
like game breaking op?
There's a mod that automatically marks enemies for Arbites dog to attack
It is op
Then there's Servitor one which is Bosco from DRG
Then there's mods that just add a red background to maxxed weapons lol
verbal token
Yea it’s just that the mod makes power 500 transcendent weapons look red.
verbal token
And referred to as “sainted” instead of transcendent iirc
umbral scaffold
what would yall put on this beauty
heavy rover
depends, do you want to magdump or be more marksman with it?
umbral scaffold
shoot elites mostly
turbid ibex
what would yall put on this beauty
Not terrifying barrage
umbral scaffold
umbral scaffold
Not terrifying barrage
just upgraded it i didnt put that on there
im changing it all
also if i just dump whole mag i miss half of the shots if not more due to this bs double fire bursts
turbid ibex
what would yall put on this beauty
Iirc flak, maniac, puncture, surgical
vestal arch
the mod of weapon customization is hidden
heavy rover
if you're magdumping, you can run calvacade and pinning fire
vestal arch
damn
heavy rover
if you're being more precise with it, you can run surgical and puncture / pinning fire / shattering impact (if you're really focusing on like a boss or something)
but yeah for both you can run flak and maniac
umbral scaffold
oh yea this thing deletes bosses
turbid ibex
For bosses you'll want unyielding perk
umbral scaffold
they have unyielding armor?
turbid ibex
Monstrosities are all unyielding
azure narwhal
they have unyielding armor?
Yeah, as ilas said monstrosities are full body unyielding, captains are full body flak
limber bane
what blessings/perks do you use on psword
turbid ibex
Power cycler and sunder
heavy rover
what blessings/perks do you use on psword
power cycler at the minimum. Personally I pair it with Sunder
turbid ibex
Power cycler is mandatory for the extra energised hits and sunder gives you an insane amount of effective cleave
limber bane
and perks?
heavy rover
I do maniac and carapace
distant mural
and perks?
Flak maniac
turbid ibex
Unyielding carapace i think?
distant mural
Flak maniac will help u lots with most enemys
heavy rover
sunder also works well with serrated edge talent given all the crazy cleave you get
distant mural
what blessings/perks do you use on psword
Can also go slaughterer or the other one instead of sunder
Forgot name
Unyielding is only good for bullwarks reapers and bosses
turbid ibex
Can also go slaughterer or the other one instead of sunder
Brutal momentum?
distant mural
Brutal momentum?
Yes thank you
tame lodge
Why slaughterer
distant mural
Horde killing
Yes brutal momentum is better hurrdurr
But slaughterer is also good
turbid ibex
Yes brutal momentum is better hurrdurr
Eh im pretty sure sunder is better
distant mural
Sunder is better for carapce
To kill crusher fast
Brutal momentum is better for miced horde
turbid ibex
Sunder is the gigacleave blessing
heavy rover
once you clear a horde with Sunder and heavy attacks, it's hard to go back
limber bane
so if you're running sunder on mark 6
should you be spamming heavies to horde clear instead of lights
turbid ibex
Mark 6 is light spam for horde clear
distant mural
Isnt mark 6 just better either way?
turbid ibex
Or rather activate->block cancel->light->light->light repeat
turbid ibex
Isnt mark 6 just better either way?
Iirc yes
distant mural
Like the cleaves are barely different
tame lodge
should you be spamming heavies to horde clear instead of lights
Unfortunately
If you're using heavies on power sword 6 you're playing it wrong
limber bane
so the heavy attack part of sunder is wasted then
turbid ibex
so the heavy attack part of sunder is wasted then
Ig
tame lodge
Yup
turbid ibex
But thats not the point of running sunder
distant mural
so the heavy attack part of sunder is wasted then
Could allways pick brumentum instead cough
turbid ibex
You run sunder for the cleave
limber bane
I see
tall torrent
what blessings/perks do you use on psword
Unyielding
Carapace
Power cycler
Sunder
BM is a more horde oriented blessing
Sunder is significantly better mixed horde clear
Slaughterer is good but not as good as these 2 above
tame lodge
Maybe one day when Psword gets 3 charges baseline
We'll run Rampage
(or just sunder BM lol)
tall torrent
It’ll just be sunder + BM
Or still power cycler
5 atk per activation is still good QoL
tame lodge
Fuck, it truly is
spark helm
Not almost reverting the original nerf by accident 😭
sly orchid
exe stance on melee?
tall torrent
exe stance on melee?
Ya
bold sierra
exe stance on melee?
full stun immune
tis not bad
but MAN i wish they give you 100% switch speed instead of insta-switch to gun
sly orchid
exe stance getting turned into hybrid ranged and melee would be fun
spark helm
It already was
sly orchid
slay man sized enemies on headshot
spark helm
There's just more sauce to be gained these days
bold sierra
exe stance getting turned into hybrid ranged and melee would be fun
it would still be ranged dmg focused, but being also able to use melee a bit more comfortably with it would be nice
i like meleeing in exec stance, but the insta gun switch sometimes screw me a bit xD
spark helm
You honestly really can if you're just close enough
shy sphinx
exe stance getting turned into hybrid ranged and melee would be fun
skriers gaze
tall torrent
exe stance getting turned into hybrid ranged and melee would be fun
It already is
The ranged damage aspect is entirely secondary to its use atm
spark helm
>skriers gaze
Sg only allows you to go up not stay on.
And is full of modifiers and supplementary talents to make peril gen less immediate
charred finch
holy crap louis
hollow ibex
holy crap louis
spark helm
holy crap louis
Well someone else can win jackpots.
(I have now lost 10 million dockets searching for the godroll)
charred finch
frigid swallow
So how often does the Karsrkin outfit usually rotate in the store?
exotic grove
i know it's not good but i like braced autogun on veteran
sharp epoch
i know it's not good but i like braced autogun on veteran
back in the beginning of the game it actually was a lot funner to use
sharp epoch
I feel like gunlugger ogryn fits that more now tbh exe stance is more precision
exotic grove
i will play "acuracy by volume of fire" on every character
(Aiming is humie behaviour)
alway hesitating between the MkIb and MkVIII tho
tame lodge
4 is literally the dakkaest of them all
inner iris
does anyone actually uses exec stance these days
its just more ranged damage p much isnt it
and i guess highlighting enemies
which you dont really need
90% of vets are shouters
spark helm
does anyone actually uses exec stance these days
Its been sleeper good for a while tbh.
The new patch made it stronger by significant margin as well as other talent pathing changes and mergers.
Exestance is an ability that gets better the better the pilot using it actually is. This has always been the case even when voc was even easier to be more liberally used. The entire left tree for vet got better.
Information and free gun damage is the entire reason why vet has had heavy duty exestance builds that delete problems for free. Plus depending on the build you can have an effective sharpshooting vet whose kills translate to a steady font of toughness. It's undeniable in-game especially at this point.
Plus, being able to shutdown shooters has always been a valuable thing to do since closed beta. Exestance just had to compete eitj a fundamentally powerful and far more accessible ability since they pivoted to the talent tree system forever ago
inner iris
what even was the other one again
some stealth thing which no one has ever used in the history of ever basically
spark helm
some stealth thing which no one has ever used in the history of ever basically
Infiltrate. People use it and have used it. It falls behind often because playing with stealth, even if it provides a way for players to not be attacked, still requires the player to perform without it. That takes time and most people getting better aren't rounded out in their basic play so the risks that can come from misuse of infiltrate happen more frequently. Up to aurics however, is where it can absolutely perform well. Can't speak for havoc but I imagine most totally ignore it in favor of voc or exestance.
And it was more popular than what you're saying. Certainly overshadowed and more narrowly built.
That's different now by many respects but it could still use some minor buffs. The right tree for veteran has mainly found use as a staple for the talents in the final tier of talents. This has been the case for the majority of generally good all-rounder meta builds on vet because it's inherently an all-rounder cornerstone of a class long before this major patch.
sharp epoch
90% of vets are shouters
thats true, but I think its mostly because people haven't realized how much better exe is now theyre still stuck on the old meta
I use exe on h40 and it works even better than old shout
inner iris
im sure the others are good its just that they lean into the ranged vet more which relies more on having good team mates to cover you id say
tame lodge
its just more ranged damage p much isnt it
Nope
There's more than that under but the main thing is stun/slow immunity
Which pairs well with problematic weapons like Power Sword
Which is also the best melee generalist in the game
spark helm
im sure the others are good its just that they lean into the ranged vet more whi...
You don't need their cover explicitly. This is a false notion. It's helpful yes but tunneling isn't always necessary nor the best idea. And any kill earned from exestance extends the duration so all options are always available.
tame lodge
While also generating toughness
spark helm
This as well
tame lodge
Totally forgot exe does that now
sharp epoch
Totally forgot exe does that now
its always done it
spark helm
The survivability of exestance has gone up after some needed quality of life changes so it's easier to use and get used to
spark helm
its always done it
And no it didn't passively provid toughness
That's a new thing. Any toughness you gained was from your own actions and anything else that feeds toughness.
sharp epoch
oh I meant the stun immunity
spark helm
Mm. Got you
willow prairie
voc: low skill ceiling + team utility
exe: medium skill floor + depend on user to get value
spark helm
Medium to high depending on the range weapon chosen, yeah.
gentle lake
Send out 55 more crushers
inner iris
I've been trying to find good off meta vet builds for a while now, which is why im asking about other stances but every time i try it feels like im just a detriment to my team because im not easily running around killing all the crushers with a dueling sword and 1 shotting everything else and bailing the team out with VOC
dueling sword is OP af imo
sharp epoch
your better off playing book zealot if thats the value you want
narrow widget
dueling sword is OP af imo
try ps6
sharp epoch
upgraded shout and better with a DS
narrow widget
tropic halo
the most real WWE match
tame lodge
dueling sword is OP af imo
It is but it's also boooooooring
And the horde clearing aspect isn't amusing
I love hacking and slashing through hordes on my horde game
🗣️
Internet double send moment
trim badger
I've been trying to find good off meta vet builds for a while now, which is why ...
Try helbore builds
Instead of 1 shotting crushers with DS you'll 1 shot them with Helbore
trim badger
your better off playing book zealot if thats the value you want
DS vet with shout is way superior than DS book zealot
sharp epoch
DS vet with shout is way superior than DS book zealot
book is way better than shout
primal ice
What weapons should I use if I wanna use infiltrate?
trim badger
book is way better than shout
Well yes taking the ability alone that's true
But that's not what I said
I said DS shout is better than DS book
narrow frost
does anyone actually uses exec stance these days
I use it in havoc for the passive toughness gain and stagger immunity, I have insane uptime with it. I dont even use a gun with it
I just use tactical axe
trim badger
Vet can pump damage with no downtime
Zealot can't when casting book
Which means losing all scourge stacks garanteed
sharp epoch
with their cooldowns considered, class talents, and the ability themselves I still think book is better than shout
shout is up every 20-30 seconds while book you can get every 30-40 seconds more consistently than shout because it doesnt require you to kill specialists only
then you look and see that book also gives 30% damage to the team which makes up for not being able to hit stuff
hollow ibex
What weapons should I use if I wanna use infiltrate?
Doesn’t matter but infil does synergize with frags. So take frags if you can.
Stealth bomber build is pretty funny
patent sentinel
What’s everyone’s opinion on the Headhunter/vigilant autoguns?
narrow frost
amazing
I love them, probably the best chill sniper playstyle weapon
single shot is good general, double can be build for anti carapace, 3 burst is best dps but worse handling
all can hold up in havoc too
patent sentinel
Interesting, i’ve been avoiding them for some time but need to level it for mastery. Yall talking about exe stance being good got me thinking about it lol
narrow frost
dont need stance with them but it helps the 1-2 shot marks
blazing jetty
tall torrent
single shot is good general, double can be build for anti carapace, 3 burst is b...
best one is 3r burst (Mk III)
VII has really bad 1 tap breakpoints which massively lowers its kill-per-mag potential
IX is not as good at 1 bursting as III
trim badger
shout is up every 20-30 seconds while book you can get every 30-40 seconds more ...
Nah that's not realistic
For shout at least
Shout will probably be ready every 20s worst case scenario
It's impossible to not find any special during that time
Shout realistically takes between 12-24s to be ready
Book requires 25 (tho if you're running book you're probably using PCT, which would make it 30)-52s
Everyone and their mom run triple combat ability curio
slow sky
Everyone and their mom run triple combat ability curio
nope
trim badger
Goober ^
slow sky
Shout will probably be ready every 20s worst case scenario
this would require you to be killing every single special at the pace that they spawn
trim badger
this would require you to be killing every single special at the pace that they ...
With triple combat ability it already drops it down to 24s
No specials killed
So just 1-2 specials killed during that time it garantees it to take less than 20s
slow sky
With triple combat ability it already drops it down to 24s
26.4s
youre spending 3 curio slots to save just over 3 seconds
that will likely already go to waste unless youre spamming it off cooldown, which is even more of a waste
ornate hound
Best nodes for exe stances?
ornate hound
Ohhh oki
slow sky
due to the duration increase
ornate hound
So the damage is just gravy?
slow sky
So the damage is just gravy?
none of the subnodes change its damage
trim badger
youre spending 3 curio slots to save just over 3 seconds
Meh not like there are many other options
3s comes clutch tbh
slow sky
its just whether it highlights shooters, ogryns+duration, and if it marks them for your team
ornate hound
Oki
slow sky
Meh not like there are many other options
3s comes clutch tbh
and every time cdr procs the value of the perks drops
like lets assume you had tact awareness up 100% of the time
trim badger
15s with no curios ya
slow sky
your 30s cooldown now takes 15s
with perks, your 26.4s cooldown now takes 13.2s
saving not even 2 seconds
calm shard
okay but what about my 45 second infiltrate
slow sky
granted thats unrealistic, but my point is to show how they get less value the more cdr rate you have
and theres plenty of good curio perks
trim badger
your 30s cooldown now takes 15s
with perks, your 26.4s cooldown now takes 13.2s
Also what's the calculation done for cdr curio
slow sky
toughness
gun resist
hp
stam regen
revive speed
trim badger
Nvm I remembered it
tall torrent
Everyone and their mom run triple combat ability curio
nah I don't think it's worth outside psyker tbh
slow sky
Also what's the calculation done for cdr curio
theyre multiplicitive with each other like all dr
trim badger
nah I don't think it's worth outside psyker tbh
I find weird to play anything without cdr
tall torrent
toughness
gun resist
hp
stam regen
revive speed
these all better yea
trim badger
Maybe arbites with charge tho
tall torrent
I find weird to play anything without cdr
nah it really doesn't make much of a difference now
trim badger
But for the rest wut, it comes clutch
tall torrent
cuz most CD talents are CD rate
slow sky
it saves so little
slow sky
8 seconds for book
closer to like 5-4s
tall torrent
it's not 8s unless u skip all 3 CD talents on zealot
slow sky
cuz of cdr
and chances are
youre not popping book within 4s of it coming off cooldown often
trim badger
Not exactly like I can win cdr while casting book tho
So i'd say it's more of 6s-7s of benefit
slow sky
or any ability for that matter
mortal aspen
theyre multiplicitive with each other like all dr
I don't think they are actually
slow sky
I don't think they are actually
yes they are
mortal aspen
3 curios is 12%
tall torrent
u save 3.6s for chorus from using triple CDR on curio, if u get crit CD talent
tame lodge
8 seconds for book
When book CDR so bad you run CDR on curios
slow sky
3 curios is 12%
yeah thats cdr
i said dr
tame lodge
💀
tall torrent
u save 3.6s for chorus from using triple CDR on curio, if u get crit CD talent
26.4s vs 30s
it's meh
slow sky
nah they asked how dr was calculated on the perks as a followup to other perk options
tall torrent
DR is usually multiplicative with each other
trim badger
u save 3.6s for chorus from using triple CDR on curio, if u get crit CD talent
crit CDR with book
tall torrent
not always the case
tall torrent
??????????
wat
slow sky
what are you confused about
slow sky
What weapon are you using to be able to get that many crits with book
any weapon with piety
or any weapon with a crit blessing
or any weapon with inherent crit chance
mortal aspen
I also always assumed that cooldown rate wasn't dependent on the flat cooldown
The default rate is 1s per... second. But if you have 100% rate you get 2s per... second
slow sky
and scourge
narrow frost
easy 35-45
tall torrent
piety setup, getting a crit hit every 3s is not a particularly hard ask
trim badger
any weapon with piety
That's still just 30% a
sharp epoch
thats why book zealot is better you can consistently get your cdr
if your fighting a boss as vet your not getting cdr modt of the time
trim badger
if your fighting a boss as vet your not getting cdr modt of the time
If you're fighting a boss as vet, said boss is already dead
(krak OP)
hybrid plover
What weapon are you using to be able to get that many crits with book
Lacerate knife with scourge
tall torrent
Lacerate knife with scourge
doesn't even need lacerate
sharp epoch
I think martydom book zealot would be interesting
tame lodge
Yeah
Went from living with 22 seconds on fury after a CRIT to a permanent 20 seconds on fury
tidal mango
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is there a bug where tagging and com wheel just don't work?
narrow frost
yes
tidal mango
Yeah after some minutes it goes back to normal
sharp epoch
easy fix press alt+f4
hybrid plover
I think martydom book zealot would be interesting
I cleared my first h40 with Marty book zealot
sharp epoch
I feel like it might be the sleeper build of book zelots, just takes more skills
hybrid plover
I feel like it might be the sleeper build of book zelots, just takes more skills
I've been touting that its good since before the rework and I got told that I have to relegate to being fully support with book zealot
To which, I said no 
That's a boring way to think in my opinion.
And a bad way because then what happens when you're possibly the only one alive and all you have is your chorus to survive with no real offense?
hot maple
does bleed dot ownership work like flame staff?
lunar maple
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is there a bug where tagging and com w...
Same thing happened to me yesterday then fixed itself mid match randomly it was annoying as heck I was also on my vet
sharp epoch
it's just 40s CD for chorus
whats crit max cdr
tall torrent
whats crit max cdr
30s
ornate ivy
I feel like it might be the sleeper build of book zelots, just takes more skills
what CDR keystone you take?
sharp epoch
what CDR keystone you take?
cdr nodes arent keystone, but I was talking about martydom keystone and cdr node
ornate ivy
which cdr NODE did you take
sharp epoch
On zealot, I've had crit since forever, but I think weakspots is more consistent for melee heavy builds and martydom is actually decent if you want to use your ranged a little
torn moat
How does one build a combat shotgun these days? Perks/Blessings?
hybrid plover
How does one build a combat shotgun these days? Perks/Blessings?
I run flakaniac with full bore and no respite on my agrippina
hollow ibex
How does one build a combat shotgun these days? Perks/Blessings?
Depends on which one and what build. There’s a lot of ways to build it
hybrid plover
But all combat shotguns actually have some genuine options
torn moat
I'd like to run the slug one (Agripinaa?). But I wouldn't mind having a build for the fire shell mk either.
hybrid plover
Same thing for accatran or
calm shard
Accatran's kinda bad :(
hybrid plover
You can also run manstopper and flechette
torn moat
Also, is Stab or Mob the dump stat for shotguns now?
hybrid plover
But you need weapon spec for that.
torn moat
I thought Accatran was the best shotgun? (Or it used to be a year ago)
hybrid plover
And it's arguably worse than double barrel but it doesn't need always prepared.
calm shard
Yeah back when it had infinite cleave on fire shells
And when they went through walls
torn moat
They don't anymore?
calm shard
No they haven't for like a year at this point
torn moat
But the Zarona is good now? That's surprising.
calm shard
Accatran's like
Entire purpose
Is being an objectively inferior double barrel that has more ammo, and better accuracy at range
calm shard
But the Zarona is good now? That's surprising.
Imo it was always at least decent but very weird
Now it's still weird but also good
calm shard
It's the only gun in the game that has an entirely different damage profile when you ADS compared to hipfiring
torn moat
Sounds like Agripinaa is the best now tbh... Since Accatran is just a worse DBS, and Zarona is awkward to use for it's special shells.
hybrid plover
Because scattershot + flechette with the node that gives you cleave on high peril gets very stupid.
calm shard
You don't use Zarona for its special shells
You use it because it has the highest damage regular shells by quite a lot
Its special shell is okay tho
torn moat
I thought Accatran had higher damage regular shells?
hollow ibex
You don't use Zarona for its special shells
The special shells can work quite well on some setups tbf
calm shard
I thought Accatran had higher damage regular shells?
On paper yes, in practice not even close
hollow ibex
Accatran barely saw buffs
calm shard
Simply because Zarona has vastly higher crit/weakspot damage on regular shells than the other two
hollow ibex
Simply because Zarona has vastly higher crit/weakspot damage on regular shells t...
Idk if it’s much higher than agri
Hard to tell
Stat card on shotguns are just totally wrong
calm shard
Here's a simple little breakpoint for you then
Zarona can one shot bodyshot auric maulers with regular shells
Agri has to load slug
torn moat
What's the recommendations for an Agri build? No Respite, Man Stopper?
calm shard
I'd say Full Bore+Manstopper for agri all the time
Full Bore is free +20% strength
The agri is super accurate, and the slug counts as "every pellet" as well
torn moat
Won't No Respite only work on targets you hit twice?
calm shard
Well you don't have to hit them yourself if they're staggered by anything it counts
torn moat
Or does it apply on the first hit when the enemy isn't staggered yet?
calm shard
Also No Respite is fucking lying it is not 20% damage
It is 20% per level of stagger up to...100 or 120% I can't remember how many there are
torn moat
And Flak and Maniac for perks?
torn moat
Also, why not use Stab for the dump stat?
calm shard
Zarona wants crit+unyielding imo
torn moat
Seems the fire rate is low enough that you don't care about Stability rolls.
hollow ibex
Zarona can one shot bodyshot auric maulers with regular shells
I mean I except Zarona to do more damage but agri does have way better ergonomics
hollow ibex
Hey I like both of the combat shotties 
void dragon
Question: you folks think that Kraks needed the ammo pool increase when they now have easy access to another charge + 20% chance for a 2x1 in the perk tree and the other damage buffs vet got?
hollow ibex
Yeah
and I think it needs to just instakill crushers
Instead of having to rely on buffs
Tinkerer is basically a havoc Krak tax
void dragon
and I think it needs to just instakill crushers
Should it also have the damage aoe diameter of the frags?
tall torrent
I'd say Full Bore+Manstopper for agri all the time
I run FB + DS
tall torrent
manstopper without deadshot on this gun kinda low value
even with WS's guaranteed crit
hybrid plover
Question: you folks think that Kraks needed the ammo pool increase when they now...
That increase singlehandedly made them actually viable to use.
It would still be awkward with all of that more accessible grenade retention if you could only have two and grenadier would become a tax node for using kraks.
tall torrent
Question: you folks think that Kraks needed the ammo pool increase when they now...
needs an instakill override baked into the grenade itself baseline
and grenadier prob can use a rework
20% chance to not consume blitz rather than throwing 2 at the same time
krak twinned's homing is wack
frequently both stick on same enemy and it's just wasted dmg
void dragon
frequently both stick on same enemy and it's just wasted dmg
There is also the god moment where it tags different crushers and they both blow to pieces
tall torrent
There is also the god moment where it tags different crushers and they both blow...
yea that's just rare
u gotta throw a twinned first then hope they stick onto diff enemies
void dragon
Is there a way to manipulate if the extra base comes left or right?
tall torrent
20% chance to not consume a charge is just more versatile
tall torrent
Is there a way to manipulate if the extra base comes left or right?
I wish
void dragon
Would make smoke setting more fun imo, tossing 2 smokes sometimes is a waste
void dragon
Yeah, even on open arenas one should be enough
hollow ibex
yea that's just rare
It’s gambling. You like gambling right?
tall torrent
It’s gambling. You like gambling right?
frag twin gamble is worth
krak twin gamble is meh
it's just for +1 nade to cope with rot armor
serene bough
Question: you folks think that Kraks needed the ammo pool increase when they now...
i dont bother with it
back when krak had 2 max capacity it was mandatory but 3 is a good sweet spot
sharp epoch
Is there a way to manipulate if the extra base comes left or right?
from what ive seen if you get a twin proc they both diverge equally
hollow ibex
krak twin gamble is meh
Just git gud at gambling
tall torrent
from what ive seen if you get a twin proc they both diverge equally
not necessarily
sharp epoch
Im more talking about the trajectory without the lock on
like with shredders too,
they wont go where you throw them they split equally from your hand
tall torrent
yea they do diverge but the homing still fks it over
I think they need to make it 20% chance to not consume charge ngl
sharp epoch
the best way to get a good homing is throw them from far thats the only time ive got it to work right
sharp epoch
I think they need to make it 20% chance to not consume charge ngl
making it more consistent like every 2-3 throws would also be a decent change that way you can change the way you throw the twin one
tall torrent
making it more consistent like every 2-3 throws would also be a decent change th...
they could make krak not home onto enemies already stuck with krak but that to me seems like a more complex change than to make it not consume charge
sharp epoch
they could make krak not home onto enemies already stuck with krak but that to m...
idk if that would work considering they home in at the same tome
tall torrent
idk if that would work considering they home in at the same tome
they're not fully the same
like, u can tell 1 explodes before the other
sharp epoch
it would require something to check every millisecond if something is homing in on a certain target
its probably too complicated for one grenade interaction
tall torrent
its probably too complicated for one grenade interaction
yea better to just make it have % chance to not consume charge
hollow ibex
alright, tested finesse on CS
vs. Scab Flamer
Agri
Bodyshot: 639
Headshot: 1574 = 2.46x
Headshot Crit: 2197 = 3.44x
Zarona
Bodyshot: 856
Headshot: 1656 = 1.93x
Headshot Crit: 2190 = 2.56x
agri has some insane finesse
zarona has higher base damage
i knew agri had high finesse
but yeesh
3.44x damage multiplier on headshot crit... is pretty insane
orchid hemlock
Agri shotgun right 😈
hollow ibex
yeah
vestal arch
which stats should be at 60 for helbore?, Stability?
Cause I compared to a 80 stability helbore to a 60 stability helbore
I couldnt tell the difference between the two other than my shitty aim
red portal
Start giving it cybernetics
slow sky
that looks like a floyds
orchid hemlock
that looks like a floyds
Yo don't dox me 😞
slow sky
split swan
Which melee is better for vet, rashad or Mk1 shovel?
Been trying the shovel more and it seems decent
hollow ibex
Which melee is better for vet, rashad or Mk1 shovel?
rashad
rashad requires specific builds though
also did a more fulsome test of shotgun finesse vs. dreg gunner at point blank rage
TL;DR agri has insane finesse, accatran finesse is laughably bad
split swan
rashad requires specific builds though
Any specifics on talents or the build overall?
hollow ibex
Any specifics on talents or the build overall?
you need both trench fighter (attack speed), 10% melee damage on the bottom right-ish
and you need to run unarmored (carapace is recommended as second perk) and brumentum + heaadtaker
all of these are mandatory
for damnation/auric breakpoints
but if you have all of these, rashad's prob the second or third-strongest melee for vet
split swan
What would be better? DS and pSword?
hollow ibex
power sword is number 1
i think some people would rate dsword about rashad
but i personally would not
split swan
Fair, I just do not like power sword so rashad is good for me
split swan
Like i dont want to be super slow and press a button anytime I wanna attack
Haha
Appreciate the info, thx
tall torrent
which stats should be at 60 for helbore?, Stability?
stability
hollow ibex
Like i dont want to be super slow and press a button anytime I wanna attack
Yah psword is jank incarnate
tall torrent
What would be better? DS and pSword?
power sword mogs almost every melee weapon in terms of dps atm
tall torrent
Any specifics on talents or the build overall?
take every talent that apply to melee +dmg
split swan
power sword mogs almost every melee weapon in terms of dps atm
I will fully admit its powerful but I just hate the feel of it
tall torrent
I will fully admit its powerful but I just hate the feel of it
it's more rhythm based than other melee weapons for sure
hollow ibex
It’s a good weapon to force yourself to learn melee fundamentals
So there’s that lol
turbid lodge
hey guys just wanted to ask a quick question, do you guys think focus target or marksman's focus is better for a infantry lasgun build?
split swan
Sounds like its a skill issue on my part lol
tall torrent
hey guys just wanted to ask a quick question, do you guys think focus target or ...
if u play more hybrid playstyle, FT
if u really want to focus on ranged, MF
tall torrent
Sounds like its a skill issue on my part lol
tall torrent
<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
with that said WS is generally better for hybrid
vestal arch
if u play more hybrid playstyle, FT
if u really want to focus on ranged, MF
whats MF?
vestal arch
oh
turbid lodge
with that said WS is generally better for hybrid
WS?
oh wait nvrmind
weapons specialist
tall torrent
the only gun I would consider running MF for is helbore
because MF takes 3 extra points to reach on bottom left
and u can usually get 70~80% of its dmg bonuses for ranged (which also applies to melee & grenade & DOT) by taking all dmg talents on right side
turbid lodge
do you guys think ill get my arse handed to me if i try to do havoc with the infantry? and if i do (i already have a maxed one out), what melee should i bring alongside for it?
tall torrent
because MF takes 3 extra points to reach on bottom left
the opportunity cost is pretty high
tall torrent
do you guys think ill get my arse handed to me if i try to do havoc with the inf...
what havoc rank
charred finch
the only gun I would consider running MF for is helbore
pg, boltgun/bistol, laspistol, combat shotty all work incredibly well on MF
turbid lodge
is it cuz the charging you can do and the pinpoint accuracy you can achieve with it?
charred finch
that rending modifier goes fucking nutters too but u dont really need it
tall torrent
is it cuz the charging you can do and the pinpoint accuracy you can achieve with...
no, just because helbore gets real 1 taps
charred finch
yeah the only thing it won't onetap is a crusher
turbid lodge
and just to be clear, the best inf las blessings are headhunter and deadly accurate, right?
turbid lodge
yeah the only thing it won't onetap is a crusher
ofc ofc
tall torrent
and just to be clear, the best inf las blessings are headhunter and deadly accur...
atm prob ya
tall torrent
pg, boltgun/bistol, laspistol, combat shotty all work incredibly well on MF
they're ok but MF's problem is still opportunity cost
I run them with FT / WS
turbid lodge
what melee should i run with it? i was thinkin power sword / falchion but idk
charred finch
they're ok but MF's problem is still opportunity cost
i outright prefer it over weapon specialist
tall torrent
would deadshot be smart to run with this or?
up to u, prob can't afford it anyway
tall torrent
what melee should i run with it? i was thinkin power sword / falchion but idk
power sword is strongest vet melee for dps atm
turbid lodge
up to u, prob can't afford it anyway
i mean my build currently has it i think?
tall torrent
i mean my build currently has it i think?
wat is ur build
turbid lodge
crit shock troop las build with kraks, all the usual toughness stuffs, and focus target
charred finch
what melee should i run with it? i was thinkin power sword / falchion but idk
which gun? ilas or helbore
uncut pewter
Is melee focused vet a bad idea out of curiosity? Haven't seen vet tree since the rework/update
tall torrent
crit shock troop las build with kraks, all the usual toughness stuffs, and focus...
do u have anything on bottom right
charred finch
i meant to reply to deadshot comment
turbid lodge
which gun? ilas or helbore
ilas, specifically MK7
charred finch
ok if you're running ilas, just ditch deadshot
not worth it since the firerate can't keep up with the stamina drain
turbid lodge
do u have anything on bottom right
all i have is reciprocity for more crit chance
tall torrent
Is melee focused vet a *bad* idea out of curiosity? Haven't seen vet tree since ...
hybrid playstyle is optimal
tall torrent
all i have is reciprocity for more crit chance
ok then ur losing out on a lot of dmg
turbid lodge
ok then ur losing out on a lot of dmg
tell me what i gotta fix then please
any specific ones in mind?
uncut pewter
hybrid playstyle is optimal
Makes sense!
tall torrent
tell me what i gotta fix then please
skirmisher + exploit weakness is like
non-negotiable for hybrid builds?
turbid lodge
i lean more for ranged
tall torrent
agile engagement is really strong too
turbid lodge
but fair
tall torrent
if u play ranged focus I still think those are like, not really negotiable
turbid lodge
off topic but
tall torrent
both skirmisher and EW are better than superiority complex for example
turbid lodge
should i swap to Ex Stance rather than VoC
turbid lodge
both skirmisher and EW are better than superiority complex for example
not runnin sup comp rn
tall torrent
should i swap to Ex Stance rather than VoC
both abilities are good
tall torrent
not runnin sup comp rn
ok then idk wat ur build even is lol
turbid lodge
i went straight down the first 2 paths
orchid hemlock
ok then idk wat ur build even is lol
Picture picture picture!!!
Wait you can just use this too
tall torrent
Picture picture picture!!!
it was ok
orchid hemlock
Wait what?
tall torrent
Wait what?
?
orchid hemlock
?
hollow ibex
he prob sent over DM
tepid otter
Floof
digital escarp
is weapon specialist the most optimal keystone for these? feels very situational but I don't know what else would be less bad on a melee vet
hollow ibex
yeah revolver and knife both love WS
tribal pebble
is there is more safe and quick way of kill hoard mix with rager enemy than this with the combat knife?
azure narwhal
is weapon specialist the most optimal keystone for these? feels very situational...
That's an easy WS pick
tribal pebble
i have play many amount arbite and now fight with combat knife is hard
azure narwhal
is there is more safe and quick way of kill hoard mix with rager enemy than this...
When you are in safe distance, which is easy to reach via combat knife's dodges, use the occassional heavy/push attack. Do not spam these though, it's easy to get guardbroken or stunned. Also, you have executioner's stance, it's very easy to upkeep it via mowing down the ragers, and you'll have passive toughness gen from it to prevent chip damage
Don't use stance sparingly
It's so easy to upkeep it now
tribal pebble
i am bad at to using the ability at good time
stable sun
is there is more safe and quick way of kill hoard mix with rager enemy than this...
how come its quick😆
tribal pebble
When you are in safe distance, which is easy to reach via combat knife's dodges,...
i do heavy attack but is recovery is bad and i get hurt many amount
stable sun
slow as grandma
tribal pebble
how come its quick😆
what this is meaning?
azure narwhal
i am bad at to using the ability at good time
Don't worry too much, it'll play out easier than you think. Anytime you feel it's getting packed with elites do it. Rarely ever do you need to worry so much about ability activation, in darktide overall.
tribal pebble
thank you
azure narwhal
thank you
You're welcome. Also feel free to send your build here, there might be some changes to assist you better
tribal pebble
i only have 23 level amount
azure narwhal
That's okay. It's up to you, whether you start worrying about it now or at 30 (maximum)
tribal pebble
That's okay. It's up to you, whether you start worrying about it now or at 30 (m...
only character to have 30 level amount is arbite
i love arbite
i am many amount more good with arbite
digital escarp
That's an easy WS pick
it's a fun build and I do my best at juggling the stacks but it feels like I'm not being as useful as dedicated ranged vets
tribal pebble
When you are in safe distance, which is easy to reach via combat knife's dodges,...
this is happen many time when am using heavy attack
i holding block but recovery is slow and is impossible for avoid hit like this
this is not happen with light so i only do light with combat knife so this is not happen
is more safe but slow
i thing safe is more important than quick but i try for make balance
azure narwhal
i thing safe is more important than quick but i try for make balance
Yeah, you have to play according to the situation, here, since you're dealing with a mixed pack, you'd use your knife's horizontal heavies mixed in with lights. Spend some more time with the weapon to learn combos better, play around with its moveset more
tribal pebble
i know how it works i was just showing example
azure narwhal
it's a fun build and I do my best at juggling the stacks but it feels like I'm n...
Not necessarily. Knife with serrated blade and mercy killer is insane by itself. Revolver is easy to reload and can one tap on vet with ws
tribal pebble
i was trying for make this happen in the video
it happen many time without trying though
is make heavy attack is dangerous because enemy sometime is do big lunge that can not block even if react to it if in recovery
azure narwhal
I'd send a video but i'm not home. Later i can show you a little better
tribal pebble
thank you
tribal pebble
I'd send a video but i'm not home. Later i can show you a little better
it is 20 scab bruiser and 5 dreg rager also
so can copy
azure narwhal
Now that i had time, give this a shot, see how you feel @digital escarp
digital escarp
Not necessarily. Knife with serrated blade and mercy killer is insane by itself....
that's exactly what I'm doing, one-tapping specials with the revolver and using the stacks to cut hordes or stab crushers in the head with knife, rinse and repeat
idk it just doesn't feel as good, I'll have to notice damage done more
ty for the tree, will take a look
azure narwhal
Yeah
Knife may not be king of horde density but with WS and serrated that does not matter as much
Not to mention, catachan MkVI has 2 horizontal heavies and horizontal lights
Has you covered, in that sense
Though i will say, my favorite knife build is knife + plasma WS
mortal aspen
is there is more safe and quick way of kill hoard mix with rager enemy than this...
shotgun
mortal aspen
why
tribal pebble
i want to practice for when i have none
turbid ibex
Survivalist
mortal aspen
i want to practice for when i have none
that makes sense, but on veteran you're rarely ever out of resources
tribal pebble
that makes sense, but on veteran you're rarely ever out of resources
i want to being prepared
and i like to take as little from team as possible
mortal aspen
you don't take anything from your team. free ammo from survivalist, free grenades from all your grenade talents
tribal pebble
it is small ammo
azure narwhal
Yes but very additive
tribal pebble
it help?
azure narwhal
You will encounter many such enemies in a match
Yes, very much so
I haven't taken an ammo box as vet in a long time
Survivalist is a very good pick
shy sphinx
The only good pick
azure narwhal
Try it; you'll feel it
tribal pebble
yay i will try
tribal pebble
i am use movement speed thing i think
azure narwhal
Yeah that's fun to use but sadly doesn't give the amount of value survivalist does
shy sphinx
i am use movement speed thing i think
Your.mind is tricking you to believing it actually does anything
azure narwhal
You take movement speed if another vet on your team has survivalist; for example
tribal pebble
i just use it because other i thought is small amount
i think it is only thing i use before
mortal aspen
i just use it because other i thought is small amount
it adds up.
especially for high value per shot weapons
azure narwhal
i think it is only thing i use before
Give it a shot you'll see. It counts for both elites and specials, and either you or your teammates can proc it
tribal pebble
is good for revolver?
tribal pebble
i like quick draw stub revolver
mortal aspen
like the best weapon in the game - Double Barrel Shotgun
tribal pebble
yay
azure narwhal
It's pretty good
tribal pebble
i never play in above uprising difficulty as veteran yet
and there is not many specialist
azure narwhal
Oh
mortal aspen
it works for elites too
tribal pebble
i have play damnation as the arbite though
azure narwhal
The more you push up difficulty wise the more you'll see it
It's literally always active
tribal pebble
i am 1 mission away from have auric but i think arbite is too much easy
i think am bored
i like gun most
azure narwhal
Arbites has a lot more cushions as a class yes
Easy survuvability and damage output
tribal pebble
it fun when i start but i never am take damage and is feel boring
azure narwhal
Though other classes can do more damage wise. It's difficult to beat a good plasma/double barrel veteran, for example
tribal pebble
it is like if survival horror game like resident evil is give infinite ammo
i think i never use double barrel before
is hard for shoot far away enemy?
or is like subductor pistol
is accurate
tribal pebble
sniper is small health
azure narwhal
No subductor pistol though that's a little much
tribal pebble
i like subductor pistol
azure narwhal
That thing is literally a pocket sniper
mortal aspen
pistol sucks ass
the best thing about double barrel vet is that you almost never have to reload
shistol is reload animation simulator
tribal pebble
how to not reload?
azure narwhal
It's aight. If i want to take tight spread i'd go for executioner shotgun, that one mk of it
mortal aspen
how to not reload?
weapon specialist
tribal pebble
what is it do?
silver patrol
specialize in weapon usage
mortal aspen
mortal aspen
it's good for revolver too
azure narwhal
what is it do?
Its modifier gives you ammo back in magazine whenever you switch weapons (activating ranged specialist). 3.3% seems small but calculations are out of the window when you have 2 bullets in your magazine
turbid ibex
This with double barrel is the doomguy build
pseudo fiber
It's 3.3% rounded up so yeah very good
tribal pebble
Its modifier gives you ammo back in magazine whenever you switch weapons (activa...
i am excited for high level to try
tribal pebble
it's good for revolver too
that is amazing i love the revolver
tribal pebble
i am excited
i will try when finish other game i am playing
i will do many amount ammo with aura thing
dapper coyote
is this is good as well as?
A meme node
tribal pebble
A meme node
waht is this meaning?
turbid ibex
is this is good as well as?
Not really worth it
dapper coyote
You'll playing an entirely different playstyle with it but its eh
turbid ibex
Can be neat with helbore but thats about it
dapper coyote
Its for guns that has low fire rate like helbores, plasma and what not
turbid ibex
If it didnt consume stamina per shot it wouldve been nice for recon
dapper coyote
True
turbid ibex
Its for guns that has low fire rate like helbores, plasma and what not
It doesnt work with plasma btw
dapper coyote
Oof
turbid ibex
Like at all
tribal pebble
it is ok with revolver?
bold sierra
You'll playing an entirely different playstyle with it but its *eh*
I played Executioner Stance with Kantrael and exec stance in Havoc 40 with it, you do need to get a stam regen on your keystone to ue it reliably tho
turbid ibex
it is ok with revolver?
Ehhh maybe?
dapper coyote
Cshotguns the universal gun
turbid ibex
Theres much better talents for you to spend your points on than deadshot though
Specially for ws builds
dapper coyote
bold sierra
Theres much better talents for you to spend your points on than deadshot though
idk, I feel like you more or less needs deadshot with combat shotgun, if you're going for manstopper builds
winter grove
Its for guns that has low fire rate like helbores, plasma and what not
What
dapper coyote
TWAS ALREADY CORRECTED.
winter grove
This cannot be forgiven we stick krak grenade to your groin now
dapper coyote
dapper coyote
This cannot be forgiven we stick krak grenade to your groin now
May a DH accidentally touches you.
bold sierra
either way, deadshot can be great for a lot of weapons, but not all
dapper coyote
True
winter grove
It's great for vraks infantry autogun
bold sierra
It's great for vraks infantry autogun <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I tried it in H40, too fast for it to be reliable tbh
dapper coyote
Use a Shredder autopistols guys, its the best guys, its even better with marksman and is best at counter snipers
winter grove
Lowkey shredder felt good this patch
Idk maybe it's because vet finally has a good talent tree
dapper coyote
fucking why an arbites player uses that over his shotgun hunting snipers, i will never know
bold sierra
shredder is lowkey more or less a great utility weapon xD
bold sierra
Hunting snipers mind you
tbh, high crit chance, fast fire rate, it aint so bad for picking off weak ass snipers, but yeah
winter grove
shredder is lowkey more or less a great utility weapon xD
I ran it with knife it's kinda also good at actually killing stuff
Esp ragers or other maniac specialists
But I assume good at killing part is exclusive to vet
bold sierra
I ran it with knife it's kinda also good at actually killing stuff
if you're up close yeah, but its dps still aint the best at killing, even with blaze away and calvacade. Still serviceable tho
I appreciate its high stagger
winter grove
After all I did a dumb idea of knife + ius and thought no way it'd be good
Turns out it is if you make it WS
tribal pebble
Theres much better talents for you to spend your points on than deadshot though
thank you
tribal pebble
is devils claw sword is good for use?
tall torrent
is devils claw sword is good for use?
We wish it was good
analog mural
It's not bad... Until you encounter anything armoured
analog mural
Well dclaw is probably not the pick then
tribal pebble
thank you
why critical chance is say 20 when have pull out gun or sword
but when i shoot or swing attack it change to high number
i do not have any tallent that do this
tall torrent
why critical chance is say 20 when have pull out gun or sword
Vet base crit chance 10%
You prob have desperado +10% melee weapon’s crit chance
35% is prob with knife