veteran-class

[fast shale]

Idk thats why asking here

[hybrid plover]

Its not terrible. But mk3 is better.

Or you can just use the nonfolding mk1 because it's obviously superior

[fast shale]

I'm testing it out rn, does the mk3 have more impact while spaming M1s ?

[hybrid plover]

I. Honestly don't know the specifics of the impact on those.

[hollow ibex]

Nah it just attacks faster because the horde clear combo is light spam

[fast shale]

Ohhh I see, so in that way I can make my life easier by just spaming m1s instead of your ocassional heavy with the other folding one

[hybrid plover]

Which is usually why mk1 is the usual go to for shovel

It's just better at that exact thing.

Along with the special being a guaranteed stun on anything that isn't a boss on weakspots in a vast majority of cases.

[hollow ibex]

well mk3 has much better single target tbf

even if mk1's the better shovel overall

[fast shale]

Ye, Ill stick with the folding one for now, I want that 2 shot heavy with me

[hollow ibex]

keep in mind that with mk3

you really want the serrated blade talent

[hybrid plover]

True. But I feel it loses too much for that better single target unfortunately

[fast shale]

Most definitely, thats why I have been using the shovel, the bleeds really make the thing shine

[hollow ibex]

i'd still say it's pretty decent, and it's fun

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's still decent. I'd say it was good before the big update but the hp increases hurt the folding shovels particularly hard :(

[hollow ibex]

well you 2 shot crushers

it's mostly unyielding that's a pain in the ass

with shovels in general

[torn moat]

Dump stat on Hellbore is Stability?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[slow sky]

show the rest of the build

[slow sky]

truth nuke

[jaunty sphinx]

fuck you too director

[slow sky]

me and my awesomesauce circle of many wonderous colors

[jaunty sphinx]

⭕

[slow sky]

If anyone in the comments is worried they can't pull this off because it's "off meta" please give this build a try. It's legit.
the funny thing ive joked about is that its only off meta cuz people dont pay attention to it
its on par with plasma builds in many situations, and flat out better in even more
straight up one of his best guns by far when used this way

[fast shale]

Is not necesary anymoar, decided to keep the damage node

[jaunty sphinx]

yeah I prefer this to plasma tbh

[slow sky]

yeah but there might still be another node where the toughness would be better value

its still 25 toughness to your base value which is what curios scale off of

[fast shale]

I doubt so but aig, let me get the pics

[hybrid plover]

I love the starting elevator on Refinery Delta.

I love when a captain and twins spawn at the same time in that little space before the medicae.

It's so cool and awesome and funny.

[fast shale]

For that one pic it was for plasma knife

[slow sky]

do you have mercy killer on your knife?

[fast shale]

Flesh tearer and uncanny

[slow sky]

oh then you can totally drop serrated

[fast shale]

But if I get a crit, do I get bleeds for the bleesing AND the node?

[slow sky]

yes

it goes from 8 to 10

but bleed still caps at 16

[fast shale]

Interesting

[slow sky]

considering youre using knife, serrated is only gonna be much use on the biggest of the big stuff, like crushers and bosses

but you already have a lot with FT

whichll quickly cap you out on those things anyway

[fast shale]

I also have the same pact in another build with combat axe and bistol in that case is also worth getting rid off the serrated blade?

[dry wedge]

Appreciate it, gonna give it a go and report back 🫡

[slow sky]

i think you can drop it too on caxe, but mostly cuz that weapon deals way more with one shots than anything cuz of brutal momentum

[torn moat]

Hmm.. Not sure what keystone to build for hellbore.

[slow sky]

marksmans focus

110%

[torn moat]

I don't have any MMF builds. is there a good template I can reference for it?

Also, VoC of Exe Stance?

[slow sky]

lemme go grab my helbore tree i use in havoc

[fast shale]

And finally got my last build with recon and dueling sword, in that case can sacrifice serrated blade too?

Going from 178 to 204 looks nice tho

[slow sky]

i dont use it often cuz i suck balls at aiming
but its pretty good

[torn moat]

I'm just toying around with new builds. Figured I'd try Hellbore out again. Then maybe Vigilant AGs

[slow sky]

if you have uncanny on the ds, just keep it
itd be a similar situation with knife but unlike your knife, your ds doesnt bleed on its own

[jaunty sphinx]

god I hate derank

[slow sky]

3 spare points, could put them in red for melee buffs or in any combo of the blue for misc buffs

i think mine specifically was the first 2 red ones here then the 1 toughness node under tact awareness

[fast shale]

Feels weird that combat axe can 3 - 4 shot a crusher with Vet while the melee guy zealot need to do like 1 or 2 more without fury

[torn moat]

Which Mk are you using?

[hybrid plover]

Because vet just hits harder generally.

[slow sky]

the slowest one with hotshot and surgical

[slow sky]

these are responsible

[hybrid plover]

Le Build ™

[slow sky]

15% melee damage as a stat node is insane

[fast shale]

Plus is a constant buff with no requirements to trigger em

While zealot is dodge for duelist

what else?

[hybrid plover]

It wouldn't surprise me if they adjusted those nodes to only affect melee damage tbh

[torn moat]

No Skirmisher?

[hybrid plover]

Because two of those being base damage is crazy.

[slow sky]

honest to god
you do not need it

it costs too many points to reach here and the helbore is already chunking the fuck out of everything

like helbore is a weakspot/crit weapon
and you have a keystone giving you +112.5% finesse damage

whoops!

[slow sky]

oh also, you can definitely swap kraks for shredders to cover weaknesses, as helbore can deal with crushers (youd basically just use kraks for bulwarks atp)

[torn moat]

Hmm. Prob should replace Dueling sword with something better for hordes. PS is boring though.

[slow sky]

as for melee, i use the devils claw as its pretty good into hordes, and im not going to be using it for armor anyway
the parry is also super safe, its faster, it has post-parry block frames and tons of cleave unlike duelling swords parry

its really overlooked as a safety melee for extremely ranged heavy builds

if that isnt your flavor tho, other options would be shovel, tactical axe (brutal momentum), or heavy sword

basically a melee that can both horde clear and has good defensive/mobility stats

[torn moat]

I haven't used tac axe in nearly 2 years now...

Shovel might be nice. esp the mk3 so I can beat down mutants in one go.

Also, toying around in meat grinder. Funny that I seem to do more % hp damage to a Crusher than I do to a Mauler on headshots

[slow sky]

heavy sword has the worst defense out of those but has the best light armor/unarmored clear out of all of them
shovel is a balance of all of them decent dodge distance, decent stamina profile, decent group damage (and a stagger stab for the mk1)
tac axe has the best mobility out of all of em, can deal with armor too, and also has a good stamina profile with a stagger special too, though with its stats youd probably want to lean your tree over to take desperado

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982944904080687107/1322327279900168245/attachment.gif

[slow sky]

do you have Bring it Down!?

that gives you +damage to ogryns

[torn moat]

I went for the melee nodes you suggested instead.

[slow sky]

dont look at me with those fucking eyes

[torn moat]

What do you use for the dclaw? mkIV?

[calm shard]

I can't believe cole has made the same discovery that I had recently

[slow sky]

7

[calm shard]

imo Mk VII is the best

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-frog-kiss-gif-8479381718670557517

[slow sky]

i like the moveset of the mk4 the most in terms of feel but mk7 with the changes it got a few patches ago has made it definitively the best

[dry wedge]

Only Damnation so take it with a grain of salt, but that felt like a better version of the build

[slow sky]

it has the highest damage parry and ideal followups for the parry

[calm shard]

it also has like actual flak damage

[slow sky]

yeah

[calm shard]

which is a LUXURY for the devil claw swords

[torn moat]

What's the attack pattern for horde with the mk7?

[calm shard]

light spam

:)

[hollow ibex]

isn't it heavy light

[torn moat]

Shred, Ramage : Flak, Maniac?

[hybrid plover]

Because it is better lol.

Like I don't wanna toot my own horn but that build you linked was scuffed for a variety of reasons.

The fact that it didn't have Iron Will and called itself a havoc 40 build is actually laughable.

That's why I always say to take what you see on Gameslantern with an entire salt shaker because a lot of people genuinely don't know what they're doing there and then tout with long ass descriptions about how this is so amazing in Havoc 40 when it really isn't

[ornate hound]

Best gun on vet that’s not the plasma gun?

[torn moat]

DBS

[jaunty sphinx]

double barrel

[calm shard]

double barrel

[ornate hound]

Mmm second best?

[calm shard]

helbore

tbh

[torn moat]

Depends on playstyle I think...

[calm shard]

I'd argue double barrel and helbore are superior to plasma

[ornate hound]

I have all 3 of these mmmm

[calm shard]

double barrel on veteran is like

unironically the fiercest competition to the Inferno staff in the entire game

[fair shale]

I don't even think it's an arguement anymore

[ornate hound]

Well I wanna get the penance for Exe stance so I’m just wanting to try out a gun good with that

[calm shard]

ah

not double barrel then

THE COMBAT SHOTGUNS HOWEVER

[ornate hound]

Mmm

[fair shale]

The fuck even happened to shotguns

Why is CS so good rn

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/M9IBRJV

https://imgur.com/a/hjoeyAe

[ornate hound]

So I’m guessing most of the guns on vet aren’t very good?

[calm shard]

I would say the only guns on veteran that aren't some amount of good are the braced autoguns

oh and the accatran combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

you're going to trigger papawilly lol

[hollow ibex]

there's a LOT of good guns

and even the bad ones can be made viable on vet

[ornate hound]

Sooo like the las weapons are good/ok?

[hollow ibex]

usable

[calm shard]

the helbores are insane

the recons are insane

[hollow ibex]

if we're talking about ilas

[fair shale]

ahem true grit is not nessecary on Arbites

[calm shard]

the infantry lasguns are uh

[hollow ibex]

the rest are good or insane

[calm shard]

a direct downgrade to the laspistol

[hollow ibex]

state of ilas is just sad

i mean it's totally fine and usable on a good buil;d

but no reason to use it really

[ornate hound]

I’m also trying to do the penance for marksman’s focus

[hybrid plover]

Double barrel exe stance is actually goated

[ornate hound]

So I was thinking recon

[hybrid plover]

The spread decrease actually makes a ton of difference.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-ears-gif-10921678928573059212

[fair shale]

Do you know about Waffles the Hyena?

[hybrid plover]

I've played it in havoc before on low vis and it's fun as fuck.

[hollow ibex]

are you running this on an ES melee build?

[dry wedge]

Appreciate you sharing yours, definitely going to use this from now on. I've only played a handful of Damnation matches but I'm genuinely surprised how I'm the only one with 0 downs and doing the most killing lol

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[hollow ibex]

makes sense

[hybrid plover]

The spread decrease makes it way more consistent for further targets too.

[slow sky]

crazy what a good build can do

[hybrid plover]

While still having just enough spread to cause a good amount of collateral.

[hybrid plover]

Only real issue with the one I posted is that bolter is very ammo hungry so you could opt to take out a node somewhere for the 25% ammo. It's the only weapon I would ever even suggest that for because otherwise, that node is a tax more often than not

[dry wedge]

Yeah that makes sense. Truthfully I've only found myself in a couple of scenarios where I'm strapped for ammo if I'm being conscious about it

[slow sky]

its not as badd as people think though
by increasing your max ammo count, youre also increasing how much ammo you get back from pickups and survivalist

[dry wedge]

Think on max capacity I'm getting 91 rounds?

Which is more than enough

[hybrid plover]

It's not that it's "bad" more that a lot of weapons really don't need it with survivalist included.

Bolter though, is the one case where I could justifiably see it being a good pick because it can go through ammo so fast.

[dapper coyote]

I got a fucking plasma vet that nicks every ammo tin or bag

Fucking epic man, so fucking cool man, with your fucking plasma needing every fucking ammo pickups man with 2 survivalist vets as well man.

everyone was red - orange on ammo because of him

[hybrid plover]

Did yall mention it

I'd mention it.

[misty minnow]

Don't pick them up

[dapper coyote]

Fucking MC syndrome moment

[misty minnow]

Teabag them then go

[calm shard]

blow them up with a barrel

[slow sky]

thank god i use ammo efficient plasma

[calm shard]

ammo efficient plasma, doesn't have an annoying roll, has to aim even less, does better damage into bulwarks, does better damage into mixed hordes

truly our goat was with us all along

[misty minnow]

We had someone like that and the other 2 teammates needed ammo so we agreed to take our time in picking the guy up

[dapper coyote]

I can't stand these fucking boxes named players man.

So many fucking time already these FUCKERS fucked me over.

We did left him back when a dog was mauling him btw

We just forgot his existence for a brief period

[void dragon]

that's the spread mode mk

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

The team when he was getting mauled by a dog

Amidst a big horde

[void dragon]

relatable experience of getting dog-ed while team is doing something else like moving forward because there is a speedrun record to break

[dapper coyote]

Oh no, he was in the middle of the horde, we just uhh, forgotten to shoot the dog whilst fighting the horde

You know, lights out, fighting off several Crushers and maulers

[wraith lion]

Happy veteran's day guardsmen enjoy your power falchion >:(

[hybrid plover]

I don't think I will.

[wraith lion]

then give it to me templar I'll enjoy it for you

[hybrid plover]

Fine. I only need my shovel anyway.

[jaunty sphinx]

yaaaay I can hang

[slow sky]

im just joining at mid range havocs

look at the ammo taken lmfao

[sharp epoch]

most definitely glugger ogryn

[slow sky]

rumbler

not a moment where they werent shooting

hate it so much

and you get no value with it if you dont shoot it meaningfully as you can see

[void dragon]

Rumblegryn taking ammo like its lunch, and here me dont wanting to shoot in excess so team have ammo

I wonder if we nerf its ammo pool how more insufrible this kind of players will become hoarding all ammo pickups

[slow spade]

Double down instead

Return "rounds up ammo" for survivalist

[jaunty sphinx]

cleared a second 40 so im satisfied tonight

[slow spade]

Brb launching the havoc rank reset update

[calm shard]

Huh

did not know the shredder autopistol could do the vraks thing

where it just eats through carapace by crit modifier

[hollow ibex]

lol i should try that

[hybrid plover]

Rending strikes and onslaught on autopistol is funny

[hollow ibex]

do you need onslaught for that?

might not actually

[calm shard]

that is uh

[hybrid plover]

It definitely helps.

[calm shard]

zero rending

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[hollow ibex]

oof

[calm shard]

It just does that™

[hollow ibex]

it'd be even way better with rending

[calm shard]

just MMF rending

[hollow ibex]

shredder is just a mini vraks after all

[calm shard]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

vraks can get around 6.5k dps

so shredder being "only" 5.6k

checks out

[slow sky]

helbore time!

time to die!!

cuz i cant fucking aim!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1433711835118440488.webp?size=128&animated=true

[ornate hound]

I like running and gunning with the shredder :3

[ornate hound]

Same 🤣

[jaunty sphinx]

slinking about

[void dragon]

I just would want that as a trade the shredder would let you be as movile as the Laspistol

[hybrid plover]

I'm mad late on this but serrated with flesh is actually really damn good.

[hollow ibex]

shredder does feel slower than laspis

not sure why

[void dragon]

because it is

[hollow ibex]

that's dumb

[void dragon]

indeed

[hybrid plover]

It does cap at 16 but the sole fact that the bleed is far more consistently upkept still makes it a really good option with serrated.

[jaunty sphinx]

I miss that time during the beta where it was stupidly overpowered

That was funny

[void dragon]

now most bullet guns are meh, only having Vraks to feel like they have something going for them

damned shredder pistol should be THE mobility stick

[hybrid plover]

"Most bullet guns"

I think the only bullet guns that pale right about now for vet is shredder auto since it doesn't synergize that well with them, Columnus auto cuz its just mid and the agri revolver.

Otherwise, a lot of stuff works right now.

[jaunty sphinx]

Shotgun

[hybrid plover]

Every shotgun can be good.

Yes. Even the accatran. Just don't use the flame shell.

[jaunty sphinx]

I like shotgun

https://youtu.be/9uI-0A59KFE me for the past 3 days

[void dragon]

The Brautos are not so hot since forever, Combat shotguns feel underwhelming and im still unsure on the vigilants, not sure if its the class doing Kaio-ken the one doing the heavy lifting

[jaunty sphinx]

If a gun is good on the class then it's good on the class, simple as

[void dragon]

it also exist in other classes

[jaunty sphinx]

Well yeah

[void dragon]

ergo: it must be evaluated independant of class

[jaunty sphinx]

Fair

[void dragon]

if it was a exclusive weapon it would be different

[hollow ibex]

cshotguns are really good now tho

i don't like vigils but they're good too

[hybrid plover]

Combat shotguns are great rn

[hollow ibex]

(except the accatran )

[hybrid plover]

Only issue I have is the agri shotgun feeling like a toy gun when it fires.

[void dragon]

probably explains my feelings, since its the one i use the most, what are the traits that make the others superior?

[jaunty sphinx]

I see plenty of people running combat shotgun to good effect, usually on zealot

[hybrid plover]

I used agri combat on shroudfield zealot in havoc

Genuinely underrated for being a specialist killer tbh

[void dragon]

is it normal that needs double tap to kill in some chaotic cases?

even in relative cqc

[hybrid plover]

It is. But it fires so fast that it barely matters to me.

On zealot at least.

Vet can very much just make it one shot things consistently.

[void dragon]

on vet i do believe Agry can net long range one taps

with good consistency

[hollow ibex]

they got meaninginful buffs

acc got a 10% damage buff or some shit

when it needed way more

[dapper coyote]

Combat shotguns is dope as hell

[calm shard]

the BETTER PLASMA GUN

[dapper coyote]

Agrippina's AP P+ Slug stunning other enemies + rapid and very tight spread

Zarona's Duckbilled buckshot turned Cshotguns into Pseudo DB cleaving hordes.

Accatran making every enemy cower in fear and cleaving through hordes

[calm shard]

More like playing gun vet

Agripina slug one shotting havoc 40 maulers

[slow sky]

these havoc lobbies got me pissedmangus man

[calm shard]

there have to be barrels around you can still kill him

[slow sky]

no thats just a.a

this is also him

this is just what games are like with these guys

[void dragon]

maidenless ogryns?! in me darktide? (surely those get no rashuns)

[dapper coyote]

Trust the combat shotguns, she'll carry you through just as I when I got abandoned in Havoc all alone.

[void dragon]

Must embrace the C.shotgun ways, maybe make a Free2Arby build now that the Veteran is the one that's broken

[main sapphire]

@slow sky those poxbursters must die, but only at point blank range!

[jaunty sphinx]

I just realized the zealot was Khandones, neat

[slow sky]

oh and tintin was there too

[jaunty sphinx]

nice guys

[slow sky]

i assume he was using helbore

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah

[slow sky]

yeah well im dead

how bout that huh

[jaunty sphinx]

LOL

Helbore is really fun but I can't aim

Shotty and plasma it is for me

[slow sky]

exactly

[hollow ibex]

tbh if you can use shotty

you can use helbore

helbore has a massive projectile size now

[jaunty sphinx]

Oh I know I can use it I'm just not confident enough to take it to havoc yet

Now that I've actually cleared havoc 40 twice it's all I wanna play

[slow sky]

this was the game before last which i did better in

but 300k of that ranged damage is kraks in rotten armor lmfao

[jaunty sphinx]

kraks make rotten armor playable

[warm swallow]

Its weird seeing you outside of zealot chat

[dapper coyote]

Wdym he's here quite often

[jaunty sphinx]

He's been here a lot lately. Shovel evangelist

[dapper coyote]

DB shovel WS evangelist is more accurate

[sharp epoch]

why i dont use helbore

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/enricopucci-happy-happy-enrico-pucci-jojo-made-in-heaven-jojo-gif-26801198

[jaunty sphinx]

IT WAS MADE IN HEAVEN

[indigo scroll]

If I use the Hellfire Lasgun Bayonet special attack will that count as a melee attack for Agile Engagement and get a range damage buff?

[austere mica]

No

[jaunty sphinx]

That's a really good question actually

Damn

[austere mica]

Otherwise weapon spec helbore would be good

[jaunty sphinx]

It should

[indigo scroll]

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[mortal aspen]

interesting. the first result online is a reddit post from 1y ago that says it works

better test for yourself ig

[austere mica]

I remember path saying it doesn't

[indigo scroll]

Just went into the Psykhanium to see if it works, I put on weapon specialist to see if i got melee stacks from it and it only gives me range stack of 1 rather than the 10 for range. So the special attack for the Lasgun seems to count as a range attack

I probably worded that really dumb, but it counts as a range attack rather than a melee attack is what im saying

[dapper coyote]

Range kills is "secondary kills"

For some reason

If you whipped out your shovel (primary) and killed someone with a bleed from DB (Secondary) it counts as a melee kill

Same goes for bayonets, yes YOU FUCKING GANKED them with a STEEL SHIV but since you'd used your HB (Secondary) it counts as ranged kill

[hybrid plover]

It's not that it counts as a melee kill or a ranged kill.

WS goes by "kills while having melee/ranged weapon out"

[calm shard]

I like that literally all of these were actual misses

you flick to up, left, and right just before shooting when ADS

which causes you to miss 3 times

then hipfire spread fucks you which is unlucky

[dapper coyote]

Shits barely communicated well ik we all feel you

[indigo scroll]

Mhhhh I'm looking at WS right now and it says you get stacks on melee kills and range kills not what you have out. I see what both of you are saying though and it makes sense

[hybrid plover]

Fatshark lies.

A lot.

[dapper coyote]

The fatshark always gives you fat lies

Poor communications is a trope in fatshark

Rending and brittleness is the same thing

[hybrid plover]

Actually. Technically, it's not.

[dapper coyote]

And never explained what rending and brittleness means

[indigo scroll]

Honestly I did a little more and dont know what to make of it, I tried it out with Serrated Blade and you get the bleed with it on but if you take it off it doesnt cause bleed on the Hellfire. I'm just going to angrily shake my fist in the air at fatshark lol

[hybrid plover]

Rending is a buff to yourself. Brittleness is a debuff to the enemy.

[hybrid plover]

That one makes sense actually.

[dapper coyote]

It doesn't? Because serrated blade is the all bleed melee one, i did remember using the buttstock of IAG to caused bleed for some reason

[hybrid plover]

Because Serrated Blade works on any form of melee attack, including special actions from ranged weapons.

[dapper coyote]

Ah

[hybrid plover]

Even the punch from knife which traditionally doesn't do bleed even with the bleed blessings available, will still proc the stacks of bleed from Serrated.

[dapper coyote]

Its funny lmao

Punched crushers head

Bleeds

[indigo scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-rocky-iii-rocky-balboa-sylvester-stallone-mr-t-gif-13226972703409181259

Zealot punching a crusher to death lol

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-rocky-iii-rocky-balboa-sylvester-stallone-mr-t-gif-13226972703409181259

[frank basin]

stoopid

[slow sky]

im just fucking ASS at aiming

this is why i shovel db

[frank basin]

can't compete with galeo?

[dapper coyote]

Galeo?

[dry cloak]

Galeophobia

[dapper coyote]

Also, usage of irons needs some training before you start hitting them imo

[dry cloak]

#free clad

[slow sky]

doesnt help that the ironsights on the helbore are still awful

[dapper coyote]

It fucking is,

I used mods to remedy this shit

[slow sky]

better than they were before but god damn

[dry cloak]

I dont feel that way really. I havent had trouble hiiting heads with it

[dapper coyote]

Finally i can hit with optics

Funnily enough, the only reason why i use the customisation mod is for optics for HBs lmao

[dry cloak]

Understandable

[jaunty sphinx]

I'd be more open to using weapon customization mod if I didn't have to rebuild all my guns one by one

Just wasn't for me

[dry cloak]

Yeah

I just got used to the new sights and theyre fine imo

[jaunty sphinx]

All I want is lasgun sights on helbore and bolter.

[dapper coyote]

I believe IAG sights are in bolters and helbores but i need to confirm for helbores

[jaunty sphinx]

Sorry I'm tired

[dapper coyote]

Oh lol

[jaunty sphinx]

I meant las

I need to finish the laundry so I can sleep already

[dapper coyote]

Yes Ilas is available from the get go

To all weapons

Even braced guns

[jaunty sphinx]

I'm aware yeah

[dapper coyote]

But that will make you ADS feels funny

[jaunty sphinx]

I've used the mod I just don't really like it

[frank basin]

I wish

[pseudo fiber]

Pay them money for better sights

The shark consumes

https://tenor.com/view/tonystark-gif-20634708

[vestal arch]

Is the "Chink In the Armour" good for Helbore users? cause I've heard Rending is like brittleness of the armour or ignoring armour defense by x%

[dapper coyote]

Armorbane?

[vestal arch]

what do you mean?

[silver patrol]

Chink in the armour is this one

[dapper coyote]

Oh that

That's bugged btw

Folks around here discovered that its bugged and doesn't proc at all

[silver patrol]

i can find reports saying it's bugged from like 2023

i wonder if it has always been bugged and never fixed

[dapper coyote]

It still is i believe

And heard as well

[silver patrol]

i can only kneel

[gentle lake]

How huge is 10% rending anyway

[silver patrol]

depends on the weapon

for plasma it's barely anything

i unfortunately don't remember hellbore's ADM

[grand perch]

Chink isnt bugged

[steep flower]

Don’t forget; why would you use 15% rending on a conditional when you have 10% rending for all your weapons for free at all times as an alternative?
Ofc how both work is incomparable; one affects all (according to tooltip) while the other only your weapons

Could use both sure but what ranged weapon realisticly wants 25% rending? Many but almost all of those are not used by ppl at all… infantry autos for example

[dapper coyote]

People say its bugged and then its not bugged

Idfk at this point

[steep flower]

Same for att spd talent for arby the very top one; its not bugged to me as i played & tested it does proc

[dapper coyote]

Lmao this is what's happening in other servers

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475772893775790110/1437853681042325554/RDT_20251111_1716074941422138030001130.jpg?ex=691569d7&is=69141857&hm=a4aa091c198d20cbab9f37460c73d0fa83c5307dd92d17abdb735b2b29a8f348&

[tame lodge]

Unlikely

Helbore just won't struggle against armor

[vestal arch]

oh thats good to know

I was making a skill tree for helbore

mainly focusing on the Leftside

Like Precision strike +Deadshot +Killzone, and Shock trooper

I could add tunnel vision but at the cost of grenadier

[surreal rune]

tunnel vision is

marksman focus, stamina on kill?

[vestal arch]

yep

Often found myself at the very back when team is advancing

[serene bough]

Rending is good for weapons with poor flak ADM like ilas

[surreal rune]

ah

[serene bough]

Helbore doesn't struggle with this

[surreal rune]

rending strikes is needed for breakpoints against crushers with the helbore iirc

but usually you wouldnt need it

[surreal rune]

and this is only in conjunction with other talents such as executioner stance

[vestal arch]

Oh I see

What does "Marksman" do?

It says Any weakspot hits gain 20% Strength

Strength in what tho?

[surreal rune]

ah it is only on combat ability usage

i think the talent means weakspot hits gain 20% multiplicative strength

[vestal arch]

Oh, that sounds good for range users

I think?

[frigid shuttle]

strength is damage, cleave and impact

(impact is stagger)

[vestal arch]

I meant left

I got confused on the right and left

[vestal arch]

I see, thanks for clearing up

[reef island]

what about ranged finesse?

[void dragon]

Finesse is all related to critical and weak spot damage, higher finesse means more damage on those hits, ranged finesse specifically calls for those done with ranged weapons, so your melee would not benefit from that bonus

[reef island]

the melee finesse provides attack speed.. i think. that the same for ranged?

[turbid ibex]

Finesse isnt attack speed

[void dragon]

You mean the weapon stat that goes 60-80%? I believe in some cases there are mixed stats on those (some weapons with crowd control stat also boost attack speed) finesse by itself it's about crit/WSpot damage, but in that case can mean more

[reef island]

yup, it shows up on weapons so i thought its gonna be the same applied throughout... os theres more than 1 finesse stat for both melee and ranged?

i nearly forgot im in a fatshark game, thanks for reminding me lol

[turbid ibex]

Finesse itself is only weakspot and critical damage

[void dragon]

Finesse in things like the Marksman focus keystone is the finesse that I usually talk about, the one you describe is stat categories of a weapon, those mix a few things and can be confusing

[turbid ibex]

A finesse as one of the 5 stats in a weapon is both actual finesse and attack speed

[reef island]

hahaha im sure its discussed before that its rather misleading

[thorn lark]

It's like stagger and impact, I never remember what's the difference

[surreal mountain]

Still riding the high of finally getting iron sights on the Hellbore

[trim badger]

Now they need to allow us to customize it with scopes

Sniper vet :)

[surreal mountain]

If I wanted a scope I'd put my magnifying glass back on my TV screen

[trim badger]

Reminding me of nerds who used to draw a crosshair on their monitor to hit AWP shots in cs

[surreal mountain]

Back in 2017 I was super into sniping in one shot BF4 servers so I threw a magnifying glass on my screen for extra zoom

It worked, but the game was only 1080p so I just saw those 6 pixels a little better 😂

[inland cobalt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0575bfb-7c14-48e3-93b0-9e77bd34d162/moebian-13th-sniper
My Veteran's canon build

[hollow ibex]

Your vet is about to have a bad time…

[red magnet]

Any tip on the "no-hit" penance ? some mission better than other ?

[tame lodge]

Overwatch? It's specifically health damage
So keep your toughness maxxed

[fair shale]

Don't worry about it too much and you'll eventually just get it

[hybrid plover]

It's not the worst. Could be better but I see the vision here.

[hollow ibex]

Needs a good amount of improvement tbh

[inland cobalt]

Yeah, no

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[tame lodge]

I haven't see Rending Strikes being picked in ages

[inland cobalt]

I ain't no Havoc junkie

[tame lodge]

🚬

[inland cobalt]

Let's just say I REALLY hate Crushers

[tame lodge]

Nah

More like

[fair shale]

Doesnt CS like rending strikes on vet?

[tame lodge]

Midchion needs rending strikes

💀

Because your Helbore sure don't

[inland cobalt]

I prefer the Falchion to the regular Power Sword

[tame lodge]

Nothing wrong with liking mid things

I would at least try to get one motion for the Helbore

[red magnet]

well kinda one of the only soldier penance i'm missing

[hollow ibex]

I’ve been using it more

It’s just universally helpful for crushers

[tame lodge]

Oh your helby perk also has weakspot damage

[inland cobalt]

The equip speed isn't really a problem for me

[tame lodge]

That one perk is not optimal

[hollow ibex]

Repeatedly buffed and one of the strongest ranged weapons in the game

Even while the bayonet was repeatedly nerfed lol

[tame lodge]

The weapon always has been super fun
It just got buffed a lot more

Still

It's a hate it or love it situation

[inland cobalt]

I disagree. Coupled with a few other talents and Long Range Assassin, it takes down Crushers in 3-4 charged headshots

[tame lodge]

You can do that without that perk

[hollow ibex]

Don’t bother

Bro doesn’t want feedback

[tame lodge]

Because the way Fatshark math works
That perk is just not optimal

[fair shale]

Posting builds strictly for validation and nothing else

[hollow ibex]

He just posted his build for reasons. Not to actually solicit feedback.

[hollow ibex]

Well he isn’t going to find validation from me

[fair shale]

Lemme see this

Thats a build alright

[calm shard]

is this a chatGPT build?

[hollow ibex]

Could be a lot worse tbf

[inland cobalt]

What do you mean?

[hybrid plover]

Weakspot damage only takes the bonus you get from hitting the weakspot and multiplies that, not the actual final damage total for hitting it

Meaning, say a weapon does 100 damage but a weakspot hit goes for 150 instead.

Meaning the bonus is 50.

The way that math works out, you're only getting 5 extra damage. Not 15.

Assuming this is 10% weakspot damage.

[inland cobalt]

Well, that's just repulsive

Guess I do have to switch it out for Elite damage, after all

[hollow ibex]

Just do unyielding carapace like a normal person

[calm shard]

or just unyielding like every other person in this entire game does

[mystic glade]

got flamed for swapping off psyker

[hollow ibex]

Based character name

[livid hill]

lowkey kinda think that trying gunlugger ogryn could help a lot of vets be better at vetting. It forces you to take into account things like cover and positioning and suppression bc youre just so much bigger and thus more vulnerable

not a perfect analogy but it could imbue unto you some useful knowledge

[narrow frost]

Vetting?

All classes shoot

[livid hill]

vet as in being a vet

[livid hill]

yeah but gunlugger and vet have a much stronger focus on it imo

[narrow frost]

Fair point, it is the most common things players use on those classes

[livid hill]

shouldve specified I meant like, reconlas or autogun vets

[orchid hemlock]

Me when the Vet unloads a clip into 2 pox walkers

But doesn't spend a single bullet on the trapper bee lining in broad daylight right in front of them 😔

[karmic osprey]

I have been tweaking a bit on my helbore build for a while now, any feedback for improvements?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05787bf-c110-4065-ac32-828b77cd3489/havoc-helbore-build

[tame lodge]

Change Armorbane

https://tenor.com/view/peaky-blinders-no-fighting-no-fucking-fighting-fight-fuck-gif-16259749058826278291

Susfire for more bursts

[karmic osprey]

yea weight of fire feels nice, even if it works against surgical a bit, but having the option to burn ammo to spam a bit is good. gonna have to get a few games both i think. quickly adding brittleness for the team is nice at times as well

not sure what the grace period for sus fire is to count as a salvo, but it might be too quick for me

[tame lodge]

The thing is that your havoc team might be running weapons that just won't get lots of value out of brittleness

It's more complex than that but that's the main line of thought

[native ocean]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05790ae-df20-4d26-8f3e-5134800fdf74/wait-how-do-i-play-meta-veteran-again

is this build OK for havoc? Ideally I'd like to reach H40 with my vet

[tame lodge]

Slaughterer power sword 3 with no precision strikes

Sorry, can't say it's good

[native ocean]

What do you suggest as an alternative

[hybrid plover]

Precision strikes isn't really the big deal here.

[calm shard]

Carapace/Elites Power Cycler+Sunder/Brutal Momentum on Mk6 power sword

Recon should have collateral dumped not mobiliy

[hybrid plover]

But slaughterer is not very good on PS

[tame lodge]

One motion isn't necessary for these as well

[calm shard]

One Motion is exclusively good with the Helbores and Bolters

[native ocean]

huh, how come?

[calm shard]

If you are using anything else it is not worth it

[calm shard]

Collateral is stagger

Do you see the recon lasgun staggering anything

[stuck gorge]

Yea it staggers the dead corpses I shoot

[native ocean]

oh right

[hybrid plover]

Collateral on a weapon that has virtually zero stagger doesn't do anything.

Also. Crit chance on that recon too.

[native ocean]

should I take exhilarating takedown instead of one motion?

[calm shard]

This is what path described as the "defaul generalist" build for veteran

[hybrid plover]

Wait

Tinkered kraks with grenadier

No demo team

Gameslantern builds reaffirming my opinion to never actually look for builds there once again.

Or well, if that is actually yours, that's like

[native ocean]

tbf I use gameslanter because it's way handier than screenshotting the ingame talent tree

I haven't used this yet, just asking for feedback

[hybrid plover]

A really weird call not to have demo team when you're already leaning so heavy into grenades.

[jaunty sphinx]

I can't believe I slept on demo team for so long

[native ocean]

I was not under the impression that it was that good or necessary

[hybrid plover]

It is fundamental to using kraks.

[spark helm]

It's a talent that gets better with higher difficulties and better play basically. It's extremely powerful.

[hybrid plover]

Like you are actually severely hurting your damage potential not having it if you're going havoc.

[native ocean]

ohhh

so it's kind of like perilous combustion for veterans

I get it

[calm shard]

uh

[hybrid plover]

More passive but yes.

[calm shard]

no

[spark helm]

Think about it like this: demolition team allows you roll loaded dice because you're a veteran who mulches elites and specialists

[calm shard]

it's outright useless for smokes imo

[hybrid plover]

Absolutely not.

[calm shard]

brother

smokes are 30 fucking seconds with tinker

[spark helm]

Demo team is replenishing grenades. Grenades always have value.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Maybe you don't want tinker.

[spark helm]

Replenishment via killstreaks which is something huge.

[native ocean]

...and since I'd use said grenade to kill elites, that's already a pretty decent spend one get one deal?

[hybrid plover]

Or maybe you want to have as many smokes as possible.

[calm shard]

anyways 5% is a funny number

[spark helm]

It's a very easy way to load those dice yeah

[hybrid plover]

Demo team is good with any grenade.

[calm shard]

considering the sheer amount of those fuckers

[native ocean]

okay I've dropped one motion for demo team

[spark helm]

You can spin demo team by any means that you receive kill credit for a target.

It used to be even dumber.

Actually wait nvm it still does the same thing lmao

But yeah it's fucking fantastic. One of the biggest contributors to veteran as a class that just succeeds for simply existing.

[serene bough]

In general, you don't want to build for perks that pick up after sloppy team play (i.e. Leave No One Behind). You can take Born Leader if you want to do toughness regen shenanigans for your team (overall feels niche imo), but 90% of the time Demo Team is just better universally

this assumes you just want to spend 1 point going down middle

[calm shard]

born leader is niche if you are not exe

If you are exe you better be using it

[native ocean]

fair, I kinda default on lnob because I primarily play maelstrom and enjoy clutching otherwise difficult revives and the like

[serene bough]

i wont bother with BL unless im running Tunnel Vision

[spark helm]

Born leader isn't a requirement but it's extremely good in combination with other things especially now.

Hospitality Veteran is fully here.

[serene bough]

not a bad point investment but i prefer putting extra node into dmg

[native ocean]

so I've changed melee to mk6 power sword with cara/elite + pcycler/bromentum, reconlas to collat dump, dropped one motion for demo team, anything else I should change?

[serene bough]

you can grab revive speed for your curios if you want to, lately ive run this

[narrow widget]

@tall torrent does ps6 need one motion

[spark helm]

I adore lasgun alchemy with exestance antics so I've been thriving ever since the born leader merge got added.

[calm shard]

no

[native ocean]

ya I have one rez speed perk on one of my curios

[calm shard]

Bolter/Helbore only

[narrow widget]

true

[serene bough]

i cant tell if longshot is worth on exe plasma for H40 or not

ive swapped over to one motion lately

[spark helm]

I still skip one motion usually just because I'm used to the draw speed on slower weapons and I play mindfully with that sort of thing.

...now if one motion and the top reload speed had a bit of a merge

Well

That changes everything.

Draw speed and reload speed in combination might as well be a dps buff.

[serene bough]

pulling out nades faster is enough to sell me on using one motion

[native ocean]

I just atavistically picked one motion on my non havoc vet build because that's how I did it pre-rework due to pathing lol

[spark helm]

Fair point actually.

I'll take personal utility over damage almost any day if it doesn't mean my overall dps isn't ruined for it.

[narrow widget]

#buff vet

[spark helm]

Kind of wish it made tossing nades a little faster.

As in pulling the pin.

[serene bough]

i always prefer to pump dmg at the expense of my own safety

if i die in one hit then this is ok

[karmic osprey]

ok thanks, good thing to consider. so what does sustained fire give instead? just boss damage or perhaps a breakpoint on crushers or stimmed up maniacs? if it brings normal maniacs into one-shot territory without crit that would be a decent case i guess

[spark helm]

(Assuming damage is stable)

Mobility and utility >>>

I'll do it every single time.

[serene bough]

i like glass cannon playstyles

[spark helm]

I like moving out the way and I like making all the little things even faster/more efficient.

[spark helm]

They're fun in tide games.

[native ocean]

actually, I assume I'd probably be better off dropping lnob and something else to get precision strikes?

[calm shard]

new buff to grenadier

grenade throw faster

[native ocean]

since I'm going to be running bromentum on psword

[serene bough]

well tbh with the recent changes to exe it doesnt feel very glassy anymore

casually just face tanking several gunners like an astartes

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-time-skip-time-phantom-cigar-gif-6933960479127071462

[narrow widget]

yeah can we get a vet nerf cmon

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/0cnpg4Q

real

[narrow widget]

#nerfvet

[calm shard]

and born leader means that your absurd facetanking is the TEAM'S absurd facetanking

[spark helm]

^^^

[serene bough]

i remember the days when the joke was to nerf recon

[spark helm]

Gorilla enablement

Unironically

[native ocean]

well in any case thanks everyone for the feedback

[narrow widget]

yeah nerf shredder pistol

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-phenomaman-phenomenal-phonemaman-will-remember-that-will-remember-that-gif-12117790562261069541

[serene bough]

funny stacks

[serene bough]

the shredder pistol meta was truly the worst time to play darktide

dinky little shredder pistol outdamaging a bolter

[narrow widget]

kill brauto as well I want that shit gone

[void dragon]

Is it still alive? *poke it with stick

[narrow widget]

actually kill every weapon that isn't bolter or helbore they're just not relevant smh smh

[calm shard]

well

It could maybe still do such things

Hypothetically

[narrow widget]

could it tho

[calm shard]

POSSIBLY

In EXTRANEOUS CIRCUMSTANCES

Look I'll just say that the shredder auto is uh

basically a diet Vraks with better crit chance and a better damage blessing

But worse damage/crit damage innate

Also spread

[tame lodge]

I wish brauto was better though

[calm shard]

yeah

maybe give it more than fucking negative crit

and not have it have some of the worst crit damage in the game

[tame lodge]

It's a spray and pray weapon that gets punished for being spray and pray

Or more than 2 dodges

[calm shard]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

What’s the crit multiplier rn?

Is it worse than recon?

[solid talon]

So I finally took a random helbore Lasgun into the psykanium and this thing is pretty hype. Now just to find out what the different marks do and figure out how to build this thing

[calm shard]

The difference between the marks is the damage difference between uncharged and charged shots

Mk IV has the highest charged shot damage and slowest charge

Mk V has lowest and fastest charge

Mk IV also has a different bayonet attack that is vastly worse than the other two

[solid talon]

Any one you'd recommend with your experience? I'd probably go middle of the pack in charge speed/damage but I dunno if theres any breakpoints

[calm shard]

I like the Mk IV helbore because it one shotting crushers on exe builds is really funny

[hollow ibex]

V

[calm shard]

hang on I actually have a clip of it from havoc 40

where I hit a plague ogryn for 20K damage a shot

https://fximgur.com/a/akoAZPq

[solid talon]

All I got atm is a buncha mark 5s but it did feel nice in the psykanium when I was shooting stuff

Also any blessings I should focus on? Kinda thinking Surgical and Armourbane?

[calm shard]

armoursbane is only useful for Mk V

IV and IIIa already have good carapace damage innately

[solid talon]

Ah I gottchu, so whatnwpuld you fill the second blessing with?

[calm shard]

I use Surgical+Weight of Fire for IIIa/IV and Hot-Shot+Armoursbane for MkV

[solid talon]

Thanks!

[hollow ibex]

Surgical WOF for Mk V

Unironically a good combination

[solid talon]

And I'm thinking we go flak/carapace?

[calm shard]

carapace/unyielding

[hollow ibex]

I would also never drop surgical on any of the marks

[calm shard]

Helbores delete literally everything else

[solid talon]

Nice

[calm shard]

Mk IV is very fun though make sure to try it

Even if it has quite the skill floor from learning to work around its horrible handling and slow charge

[solid talon]

Alright heres what I got after dumping a few guns into mastery

[shy parcel]

Ammo is dump stat

[solid talon]

oop

[jaunty sphinx]

No wonder Kriegers have a higher weapon skill than cadians on tabletop, good lord

[calm shard]

It's not. Stability is the dump

[solid talon]

oh thank god

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think ammo is dump on any weapon except

ripper

Can’t think of anything else where you dump ammo

[hybrid plover]

Ammo can be dumpstat with helbore because surv and shocktroop makes your ammo usage virtually nonexistent in most cases anyway

But only if you use those two.

[hollow ibex]

But why dump it over stability

When stability does nothing

For a gun that’s using surgical lol

And has a hitbox the size of the moon

[hybrid plover]

Because stability does do something, even if the benefit is small. It isn't much but when ammo is completely useless, why not?

You seriously do not run out of ammo with surv and shock

[calm shard]

I run out of ammo on Mk IV sometimes when I'm shooting a LOT with exe

[hybrid plover]

Ever.

[hybrid plover]

How the fuck

[calm shard]

When I make it my mission to single handedly kill every elite/specialist on the map

[hollow ibex]

It literally doesn’t matter

[hybrid plover]

I have finished entire h40s not picking up a single ammo stack and with max ammo with helbore.

[calm shard]

Yeah it's like something that only happens to me in aurics

[hybrid plover]

While also shooting a lot

[hollow ibex]

Even a full auto MkV helbore has very controllable recoil

[calm shard]

In Havocs I get preoccupied helping with melee too often

In aurics however

I am shooting everything that moves

[solid talon]

speaking of melee, I dig the power falchion. It's been my go to melee since it came out

granted I was a chainsword enjoyer before

[calm shard]

oh power falchion how we all wished for you to be good

I like IIb's moveset a lot

Its damage output less so

[hybrid plover]

Damage output is honestly fine.

It's just.

[hollow ibex]

It’s just mid

[hybrid plover]

A good melee also provides good survivability.

[hollow ibex]

And abysmal once unpowered

Which is really bad

[hybrid plover]

Power falchion does not.

The lack of stagger is kind of astounding.

[calm shard]

Unironically find myself using dclaw more because it's a safer melee when I expect to kill armor with my helbore anyways xd

[solid talon]

I need to try out the devils claw swords actually

[hybrid plover]

I yearn for the day that it's better than it is right now.

[solid talon]

I kinda zerod in on chainsword and falcion and never poked too much else

[calm shard]

Mk VII dclaw is actually a pretty damn good weapon

[hollow ibex]

VII is usable. The rest of the marks……

[calm shard]

IF you have something to kill carapace

Same story for the heavy swords really

[silver patrol]

what's the good hellbore again

[calm shard]

All three of them

[hybrid plover]

Devil's Claw with rending strikes and onslaught

[silver patrol]

yeah but i mean the actually good one

[solid talon]

well what Melee would we suggest? I know the dueling sword is apparently problematically good but thats about all I know

[calm shard]

oh of course the Mk IV

[hybrid plover]

Emperor help me

[calm shard]

Dueling sword is problematically good!

[silver patrol]

that's the more power-based one no?

[calm shard]

And it's completely useless with the helbore!

[hybrid plover]

Shovel.

Mk1 shovel is love. Mk1 shovel is life.

[calm shard]

Because then you're running two exclusively single target weapons and will suffer and DIE when more than like 10 poxboys show up

[solid talon]

I got this shovel, I'm just bad at using it

[tall torrent]

No but I like it

[calm shard]

yeah MK VII is noticably worse than the other 2 shovels

Mk1 is the best one imo

[hybrid plover]

Ew.

That's the stinky one.

You want the mk1.

[solid talon]

I didnt know :c

[calm shard]

Or Mk3 if you want to use the folding gimmick

Mk3 is still pretty good

Can't stagger ragers which could be dicey sometimes

[solid talon]

I'm not a fan of the folding stuff tbh

[calm shard]

But it's got hella damage

[solid talon]

I got kraks for crushers anyways

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 then.

[calm shard]

Yeah

[solid talon]

I've swapped the mark now

[calm shard]

Mk1 shovel has horde clear heavies

[hybrid plover]

You'll also want either decimator or skullcrusher instead of thrust.

[calm shard]

single target lights and a BIG single target push attack

Special is a fast stab that staggers

And yeah

Decimator or Skullcrusher to taste

[solid talon]

decimator for me then. I like just swinging a bunch lmao

[hybrid plover]

I personally like decimator. But there is a genuine argument for skullcrusher for like

[calm shard]

grenades

[silver patrol]

the most cursed hellbore

[calm shard]

grenades proc skullcrusher

[hybrid plover]

Operations with a lot of bosses

[calm shard]

and benefit from uncanny

also helps the team a LOT with boss damage

[hybrid plover]

But skullcrusher in terms of personal survivability is generally worse.

Since deci also increases stagger and cleave.

[silver patrol]

btw surgical and weigth of fire for hellbore right?

[solid talon]

so we got mk1 shovel, mk 5 helbore on shouty vet with kraks. ohyes, it's all comin together

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 for sure. The other two, you can get away with not having WoF.

[silver patrol]

then wof

[hybrid plover]

Surgical is non-negotiable though.

[silver patrol]

extra crit chance just for using the gun is pretty good yeah

[frigid rover]

how the fuck are you meant to brace this thing

[silver patrol]

hope and prayers

[solid talon]

I hope they update weapon customization mod soon, I wanna make my guns pretty

[silver patrol]

you can already get the beta for the new version

it's what i am using

[spark helm]

By gauging our core and widening our base.

[tame lodge]

You see Ivan, when you hold it like this

[solid talon]

ohshit, nice

[silver patrol]

just go in the darktide modding discord server, it's there

and man, it's so much better than the old version, it's kinda insane

[fair shale]

Hellbore Obrez

[silver patrol]

so true

[frigid rover]

im also annoyed by the bayonet being attached apparently to the barrel but whatever, magic future-gun, its fine

[solid talon]

the normal darktide modding server or the one specifically for weapon customization?

[silver patrol]

i think they are one and the same?

yeah, the modding discord has a channel or thread dedicated to it

[solid talon]

thanks!

[silver patrol]

np

btw what keystone and ability do people run with hellbore

[calm shard]

MMF is the highest damage

Exe or VoC

Both work with it for various reasons

[silver patrol]

makes sense

[hybrid plover]

Focus Target also works tbh

But MMF is best because of the pathing too.

[inner iris]

whats the best helbore mark?

[hybrid plover]

Since shocktroop is right there.

[hollow ibex]

All are good but I think V or IV are the best rn

[proud jolt]

anyone else enjoy the thirdperson mod

[silver patrol]

sounds genuinely horrible

[jaunty sphinx]

It's fun if jank

[proud jolt]

I enjoy thirdperson more in games

I would post a picture, But I dont think I earned the perms yet

[inner iris]

third person makes aiming easier imo

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah just keep posting and you'll get it

[proud jolt]

I put a message is every chat lol

[mortal aspen]

3rd person is almost a cheat, with how much vision you gain around and behind

[proud jolt]

bruh what

[mortal aspen]

but it's jank enough that it equals out

I'd never use it, it looks terrible

like playing Skyrim 3rd person

[proud jolt]

I play all my games thirdperson if there is an option

except horror games, becuase its more immersive in first person

[hollow ibex]

I prefer first person for immersion generally

[faint beacon]

If I’m playing basically a nearly melee exclusive build I’ll sneak a few 3rd person views in mainly during horde events

[winter grove]

hey guys did they buff the power falchion at all or nah

[slow sky]

no weapon changes have happened since the release of bound by duty

[calm shard]

It has gotten worse comparatively as its mediocrity has settled in the minds of the many

[winter grove]

aw man

What about new bolter variants? Are they even comparable to original ones?

[tepid otter]

Has bigger aoe compared to the mk 2, and deals a little less dmg

[calm shard]

the bolter is a niche sidegrade

the bolt pistol is straight worse

[tepid otter]

I actually enjoy it, despite the mixed opinions

Just settle for what you think is fun imo

[calm shard]

main upside of new bolter is that it kills small shooters around gunners you kill

and if you shoot maulers/bulwarks/whatever in mixed hordes it'll kill the little dudes too

[slow sky]

the upside of the new bolter is it causes hordes to be removed from the games code entirely

[calm shard]

store brand infinite cleave

[slow sky]

the most ethical form of infinite cleave we have

[glacial ferry]

"Ethical" infinite cleave

[slow sky]

an oxymoron i know

but which do you think is closer to being balanced
the new bolter
or purgatus

[glacial ferry]

Which hammer do I want my head hit with kinda question

Just funny to see any relation to ethics applied to things that just remove interaction from the game

Especially in a 4 second window where you get 100 kills lol

[faint beacon]

Hmmmmmmmm

Infinite ammo or limited ammo that’s moderately scarce

Can we get 10 more psyker buffs chat?

[slow sky]

give the pickaxe ogryn there 3 more seconds and hed do the same with no ammo spent cuz its still a horde lmao

[tepid otter]

No

[slow sky]

but my point was
it excels at the easiest situation in the game, and sharply falls off at the same thing against literally anything else

all other forms of infinite cleave dont fall off there

[glacial ferry]

Sure, not like hordes are real, doesn't mean that its really that ethical

[faint beacon]

Added the fact that psyker just has innate talents that are AOE based which further the vileness of their inf cleave

[glacial ferry]

If you like it you can just say that though

[winter grove]

I still love how so much time has passed and people still call the staves with older names

[pseudo fiber]

Oh that's how you get that pennance

[crisp oak]

I've found the legendary martyrdom psyker

I'm honestly impressed someone managed to go down 20 times without the game being lost

[void dragon]

Question: does taxe keeps headtaker/Bromentum all the way to Havoc? Or is there a change at that difficulty?

[narrow frost]

it can

but I value shred more

crits are its carapace and unyielding damage

[crisp oak]

real kuomingtang patriots use agile

https://tenor.com/view/im-invincible-sundowner-metal-gear-max0r-im-fucking-invincible-gif-25967449

[void dragon]

So it's more a decision what you use it against, either anti-hordes or elite/caparaces?

[crisp oak]

gonna redo the prologue

[hybrid plover]

It's not that bad given it requires a lot more investment in ammo to actually cause that kind of mayhem and it also isn't nearly as consistent against elites

Every other inf cleave means is way more indiscriminate as to what it'll work well against, crushers mainly being the one exception.

[humble sparrow]

i was 4/5 missions done for auric storm survivor

i was seconds away from completing the 5th and a fucking sniper quick scoped me

5 hours down the drain

[hollow ibex]

That penance can be very painful…

[humble sparrow]

Hell.

I have never been closer to uninstalling this game than right now.

[hybrid plover]

Here's the trick.

Stop trying to do Auric Storm Survivor.

I am not trolling.

[humble sparrow]

it's the only thing i haven't done

[hybrid plover]

My point is, stop caring about doing the penance. Just play the game and in time, it will just, happen.

[fair shale]

Agreed

[hybrid plover]

The more you focus on doing it, the more often you'll be mad when some bullshit happens that takes the streak away, because this game is just like that sometimes.

[dapper coyote]

Hi hi, have a DH lolollolololololol

[sharp hamlet]

Just bring a thammer, simple as.

[junior grail]

Ironhelm

[sharp hamlet]

Crucis, or nothing at all pal.

[dapper coyote]

Lo and behold 3 trappers suddenly trapped your team and then you clutch or die

Or worse, ammo hungry bastard

[junior grail]

Imagine a third Thammer Mark that is even weaker

[sharp hamlet]

I would cry.

[fair shale]

Its weaker but it does aoe damage

[sharp hamlet]

Shroud field and cooldown reduction spam goes brrr

[junior grail]

So Crusher?

What if Thammer but with Relic Heat mechanic

[fair shale]

Sure

[sharp hamlet]

Would be perfect, but alas, it’ll probably never happen.

[slate saddle]

i need a build. needs to be fun and brainless. flexible. geared for big weapons. talkin plasma/combat shotgun type weapons.

dont wanna mess with focus target

[steep flower]

The WHAT now?

AoE on TH? Must be a wild dream

[fair shale]

Tbf people call for AoE damage iirc cause or DoW2

But goddamn

Even Lightning Claws had AoE on SM Capt in that game

[dapper coyote]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

For Cshotguns but change a few of nodes to suit you better

You can use other Cshotguns flavours

All are Cshotguns flexible

Use whatever melee that suits you the best

[slate saddle]

thank you. ill give it a whirl.

[hollow ibex]

it's a fun build but not totally brainless

your melee abilities are quite limited so you have to be careful about that

and you really need to maintain mmf stacks

upside is that everything dies when you sneeze on it with shotty

and you have insane toughness regen

[raw sky]

tips on dodging trappers? just lost a clutch because i dodged and it still clipped me

[kindred adder]

Sometimes it be like that

[raw sky]

i should disembowel myself in front of fs hq

[sharp epoch]

dodge perpindicular

[raw sky]

yeah i dodged to maybe 7 or 8 o clock?

does a full 90* angle make it dodgeable?

[sharp epoch]

makes it easier

especially if your out of dodges and your barsly moving

[kindred adder]

That said, sometimes hard to exactly 90 degrees them

[mystic lodge]

I wish infantry autoguns had actual sights

[distant mural]

Yeah allways make sure youre not out of dodges for the trapper. But even then its just funky af sometimes

[sharp epoch]

its easy you just look directly at them and press left and dodge

[azure narwhal]

You don't need to dodge as well as you think, it's more about sound queue and timing, panicking once you hear the trapper get in range is the biggest perpetrator of getting trapped. Let the wind up sound play out for a split second and then dodge. Even if you're at negative dodges you'll still dodge it, and if you really want to nail it in, dodge slide. (Of course, this is for dense hordes where you cannot pinpoint the trapper)

Like, 90% of times i don't even see trappers behinds walls of carapace + bulwarks in havoc

I just wait and listen

[raw sky]

yeah that was why i couldn't 90*

just heard it

thanks so much for the detail

[versed mural]

Am I dumb or is the shock maul actually pretty good?

[azure narwhal]

It's aight

[versed mural]

Yeah, I mean, I’m not saying it’s the dueling sword or the power sword, but it seems to deal with armor surprisingly well

[calm shard]

the most mid tier weapon possibly ever

it offered a middling performance at the mid tier weapon awards