veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 lite

[crisp oak]

I just realized I don't have creature spawner

[woeful wedge]

Just use infantry autogun (the fast one)

[tall torrent]

power sword
pickaxe
arb maul
crusher

[red robin]

Bad ammo economy and kinda spends too much ammo just to do dmg

[crisp oak]

so I don't know havok breakpoints

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[torn moat]

I want autopistol to be good again... But it's just meh.

[red robin]

Only hopes blessing overhaul

[woeful wedge]

All weapons it's ok (not the knife)

[tall torrent]

it's quite strong vs maniac, does high stagger & suppression and gives a lot of mobility

[tall torrent]

knife is pretty top tier

I don't enjoy using it but it is basically undeniably top tier

[woeful wedge]

Ha-ha funny joke.
Like a mobility tool - ye. Weapon? Not.

[tall torrent]

nah as a weapon it's also top tier

[crisp oak]

yeah it has pretty nutty dps

[tall torrent]

very high single target dps + bleed

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[tall torrent]

u can just hit enemies then they die to bleed while u go hit another enemy way further

[crisp oak]

light punch light punch light punch

[tall torrent]

punch is irrelevant

except if u run out of stamina on mk6

[woeful wedge]

Or u can, Idk, just kill it with normal weapon?

[hollow ibex]

It’s good tho

[crisp oak]

false it lets me punch maulers in the dick

therefore top tier

[tame lodge]

Min height vet

Name it Punch Up

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/punchup-punch-up-punchup-dispatch-dispatch-adhoc-gif-18076201675812746189

[tame lodge]

Only go for crotch hits

[crisp oak]

also valid use ofn the shredder pistol

taser top the dick

[thin stone]

Is that titan

From megamind

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-breaking-bad-meme-walt-walter-white-heisenberg-gif-2316875645289523679

[surreal rune]

that one recon lasgun user who dumps all of their ammo on inconsequential things

[tame lodge]

I do agree on the bleed part though

Just one shot the target with your knife

Then move on

[hybrid plover]

it has one of the better armor damages out there for a melee weapon so it's good at "being a normal weapon"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-crabby-stabby-knife-stab-angry-gif-8684191936841762266

[torn moat]

Which blessings/perks for IAG?

[tame lodge]

Dumdum Deathspitter

[surreal rune]

adamant on micromanaging all of the things which needed no more managing as they were already being handled by others

[hybrid plover]

and it having bleed means it also innately has at least somewhat decent horde clear

[tame lodge]

Ain't going to remember perks
Which means flak Maniacs

Alternatively

[hybrid plover]

well, if you bother to go bleed blessing anyway

[tame lodge]

Dumdum Raking Fire

[torn moat]

Onslaught a requirement for IAG still?

[tame lodge]

With unyielding

[tame lodge]

Unnecessary

[narrow frost]

never was

for any weapon

[tame lodge]

Unless you plan to shoot carapace

Which is suboptimal

[torn moat]

And the old Columnus is now the Vraks right?

[hybrid plover]

yes

also, i usually would recommend putting +%5 crit on the vraks and columnus tbh

along with either flak or unyielding

[tall torrent]

unyielding, 5% crit
dum dum, deathspitter

[woeful wedge]

Google translate:

It's a shame that not everyone will understand what it's all about)))) It's really subtle))))) There aren't many educated people these days who know why this is so interesting and unusual))))

[woeful wedge]

It is Russian(?) meme baised on MM Titan, ye

• Lain op
  https://youtu.be/MM8RufZr5lw

[hybrid plover]

cuz crit chance actually does make a big difference particularly for those guns

[torn moat]

My old god run Vraks is set for Maniac/Flak.

[tame lodge]

Can't go wrong with Flakiacs

[torn moat]

Fully Loaded vs Tinkerer for IAG build?

[hollow ibex]

Depends more on the nade

You’re using

[torn moat]

Krak

[hollow ibex]

Than the gun

Don’t need either

If you have skirmisher

And aren’t in havocs

[torn moat]

Not usually doing havocs (haven't gotten high enough level to matter yet).

I have skirmisher, but I need to practice maintaining it more.

[hollow ibex]

You can take tinkerer because unless skirmisher is up kraks will leave damnation crushers on a shred of health

[torn moat]

Wait. Skirmisher affects grenades?

[tall torrent]

dodge slide in melee combat

it's the trick

[torn moat]

Oh wow. It does say "All base damage"

[hybrid plover]

it's base damage

meaning dots too

[hollow ibex]

Yeah super powerful

[tall torrent]

tinkerer is like
mandatory for krak in havoc (horrible design btw)
outside of that it's just a nice-to-have node

[hybrid plover]

I genuinely don't see Skirmisher lasting too long that way

25% base damage is crazy work

[tall torrent]

nah it's fine

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-hamster-gif-12944509259438973023

[hybrid plover]

I'm shutting up.

[tall torrent]

vet can't play the game with 1 hand yet

unlike that 1 class

and skirmisher uptime in sustained melee combat is not the highest

compared to AE and EW

I just think bottom left needs to be way better, and keystones need to be easier to reach

[tame lodge]

"that 1 class" 😭 😭

[mortal aspen]

go back to vt2 skill trees

but give 30 rows of skills

[calm shard]

yeah your choice of mid down there

or spend a talent point on shock trooper for infinite ammo

...under the node that increases max ammo

[tall torrent]

3

3 points to reach shock trooper

[calm shard]

yeah

at least you get .5s stamina delay privileges in left tree

That's worth it to me

Too much psyker playtime means I shrivel up and die if I have to think about my stamina economy

[unreal bone]

They need to

give Veteran a powerfist

I've thought about the idea forever but was like "How would they animate it"

Then I remembered they could totally just copy the Ogryn Blastoom gauntlet animation

Where he just puts it on

[torn moat]

dump stat on boltgun? Mobility or Collateral?

[unreal bone]

Collat

[void dragon]

veteran power fist and ogryn power knuckledusters

[calm shard]

or like

chain fist

that could be cool too

at least let ogryn punch things

they deserve it

[void dragon]

ogryn can punch stuff with bullyclub mk2

but we need some sparkling punching, because its cool

[mortal aspen]

Veteran can punch too

[unreal bone]

Can't wait for the new sister of battle class

I'd be surprised if it not a Sister tbh

Sister of battle perfect way to introduce a new weapon type that being Melta

[torn moat]

Can't decide between mk1 and mk3 shovel...

mk1 is definitely more versatile. But folding is so good against mutants

[void dragon]

tomorrow we will get all felinid brainrot as ObeseFish anounces the Felinid assassin class
-Source: my beloved told me to say that

[calm shard]

I don't understand the community obsession with a weapon that has effectively 0 documentation in any of the 40K source books

[torn moat]

Could be tech priest

[unreal bone]

The only assassin I could possible see

Is the uhhhhh

Poison one

Venenum

[serene bough]

pls no cats

[unreal bone]

I highly doubt they'd do a felinid lmao

I think a Sister of Battle is the most likely

[mortal aspen]

Felinid Sister of Battle

[unreal bone]

There a lot of sister of battle lines in the game, a sister of battle in her power armor wouldn't be bigger than the ogryn so size constraint isn't an issue

Gives us access to a new weapon archetypes like melta for example

Also still synergizes well with some of the currently existing weapons like the eviscerators or power swords

[serene bough]

beastmen or hobbits are ok but no cats

[unreal bone]

Sister of battle new class with a melta weapon option

and a flail

that's my take

or halberd

[void dragon]

acept the visions of despair that i forsee, it will be...
PURRRRFECT

[unreal bone]

I think Skitarii is the second likely with the introduction of radium weapons and omnissian axe

[void dragon]

why second? i feel that agents of the mechanicus coming to help Hadron on her quest are already set in the story to be introduced if Obesefish wants

Sisters of battle feel possible but a little not developed

[verbal token]

It is also very likely we will be getting a ganger, because of the word “broker” being in the game files somewhere.

[serene bough]

i think its going to be something cool

🙂

[verbal token]

And it would make sense since there would probably be a ton of them working for rogue traders or just operating down on Atoma.

[unreal bone]

Because the sisters of battle are repeatedly mentioned by in character dialogue, not to mention the moebian domain is home to a shrine world appointed by the ecclesiarchy

The sisters of battle could very well already BE in the moebian system just not seen ingame yet

[fair shale]

A lot of things get mentioned often. Space marines. Orks. Eldar. Genestealers. Ratings probably most the amongst them.

[void dragon]

maybe Swagger will bring his own crew to help us on our mission

[unreal bone]

It'd be far more likely to drop Sisters instead of Skitarii because the Mechanicus do not concern themselves with shit unless it's old technology

so unless they shoehorn in an STC or something

[verbal token]

Hope so, I’d be interested in seeing some more development for funny mask man with hood.

[unreal bone]

Also not to mention

Melta and flame weapons are extremely popular

And sisters specialize in those

[void dragon]

there are missions where Hadron actively is seeking and hiding information, not to mention the moebian steel deal, i feel there is arguments for mecanicus agents coming for that kind of stuff

[unreal bone]

so Sisters of Battle from Shrineworld Crucis is my bet.

With melta guns

[verbal token]

Agreed, and it’s possible there’s still more old tech around that can help us win against the Sixth and Admonition. We already rediscovered the old facility in the inter-zone void that could help us create Moebian Steel again.

[unreal bone]

Also have to think about tree themes, backwards compatability with weapons, and of course marketable cosmetics

Sisters of battle have quite a few weapons that are already in the game whereas Skitarii do not, they use entirely Mechanicus armaments neutron, phosphor, radium etc etc

[mortal aspen]

[void dragon]

im sure there are a few folks that would LOVE to reject flesh for sacret steel

[calm shard]

yeah all one of arbitrator's marketable cosmetics

cool coat

[unreal bone]

That's a GW issue I believe

There is a recolor for the arbitrator that's been in the game forever but unreleased

[verbal token]

Overall, I believe that Ganger may be the easiest class for FatShark to tackle, as much as I would like to see a Skitarii.

[unreal bone]

Sister of Battle is far more likely over Skitarii for multiple reasons though

from a development and gameplay perspective if they were to add a Skitarii Ranger they'd need to make an ENTIRE new selection of melee and ranged options exclusively for that class

Whereas with sister of battle they could cannibalize some of the already existing stuff

like Eviscerators or Power swords

and then add new things like melta and flails

[verbal token]

You see, I fear Sister of Battle may be too similar to Zealot, while Skitarii might be too complex overall.

[unreal bone]

Nah not if they make it an armored sister of battle

Zealot in the game is basically sorta like a repentia almost

[calm shard]

I mean Arbitrator is barely similar to vet at all and people bitched that they were "Veteran 2"

SO

[unreal bone]

basically no armor hopped up on faith

[verbal token]

Yeah fair enough, I could see that working.

[unreal bone]

A Battle Sister would be different

They could also add new bolter weapons for her

like a heavy bolter

or storm bolter

[calm shard]

as if

[unreal bone]

meltagun obv

[verbal token]

How do you think she’d play? High-mobility, possibly tanky, what else?

[calm shard]

I still don't get the meltagun thing

[unreal bone]

Wym?

[calm shard]

In the actual 40K books

The meltagun barely exists or even has a description beyond "It's an anti tank weapon"

But everywhere I go in 40K games people are like "meltagun when"

If any 40K game doesn't have a meltagun it's one of the first things people ask for

[mortal aspen]

it makes a funny sound in RT

[calm shard]

Despite how it barely exists in any of the settings books

[unreal bone]

Barely exists what

[mortal aspen]

good

[unreal bone]

The Melta gun has existed for eons bro

[mortal aspen]

who the hell reads wh books

[calm shard]

Okay

[unreal bone]

In so many forms

[calm shard]

What's it do?

It has been in the books for ages yeah

What does it do?

What is it?

[unreal bone]

From the wiki "A Meltagun works by inducing a minute, sub-molecular reaction within a highly-pressurised pyrum-petrol fuel mix located within an ammunition canister, and then projecting the resulting plasma through the canister and from the weapon's barrel as a blast of incredible heat."

Meltaguns are short to mid range anti-tank weapons that are a form of plasma essentially

But whereas the basic plasma guns and plasma incinerators are condensed and focused

[verbal token]

I remember seeing it shoot a big ass red laser blaster in the 10th Edition Trailer, while in SM2, it’s basically a plasma shotgun with lots of stagger.

[fair shale]

Fun fact, there's like 3 seperate explanations for what melta is up to and including super heated air

[unreal bone]

SM2 isn't the best version of it.

But there are so many versions of melta guns guh

[verbal token]

I didn’t say it was.

[mortal aspen]

if they make it a plasma shotgun they should give it to vet too

WS Meltagun Shovel

[calm shard]

The fandom wiki is not what I would consider a reliable source for any piece of media

[calm shard]

Yeah because there's virtually zero canon descriptions of the thing

[unreal bone]

Brother you literally just said the melta gun barely exists

When it is literally

[calm shard]

Actually wait it might be in one of the TTRPGs

[unreal bone]

one of the most prevalent weapon types in warhammer

There are so many versions of the melta gun it's not even funny

[verbal token]

So no one’s really settled on how the thing works outside of “big anti-tank plasma gun”

[unreal bone]

not counting specific patterns there's the standard firstborn Melta gun

[calm shard]

Yeah

[unreal bone]

Multi-melta

Melta rifle

Inferno pistol

[calm shard]

Like Bolters you have specific descriptions of them and they're usually pretty unified in how they appear

Same for las weapons

Melta Guns are...not that

How do they work? Nobody knows but they're anti-tank weapons that shoot super hot gases

Probably

[unreal bone]

Melta Weapons are potent weapons which work either by sub-atomic agitation of the target causing it to cook or otherwise melt, or by creating a small scale fusion reaction (using a Pyrum/Promethium fuel mix for some imperial weapons), which is projected as a blast which can burn through almost anything, with greater effect the closer to the target.

[calm shard]

Hey isn't that also what plasma guns are?

[unreal bone]

Brother

No the plasma guns are a more focused and condensed plasma projectile that offers far more range and explosive potential

whereas Melta is a superheated stream for the most part. Sm2 gets it wrong but it's whatever

It is designed to MELT through shit

[verbal token]

So it’s a big laser beam like we saw it in the 10th Edition Trailer?

[unreal bone]

They also do not have the chance at killing their own user

like plasma guns do

[unreal bone]

Big is debatable they are shorter range or mid range if you have a multi-melta or bigger

But they are essentially a stream of superheated plasma designed to melt through armor

[fair shale]

Yk whats cool? Grav weapons

[verbal token]

Yeah I’ve seen that art before.

[fair shale]

Not enough 40k games have grav weapons

[unreal bone]

Yeah I'm upset we are not getting a grav-pistol for Space Marine 2

actual horseshit bro

Techmarine class > no techmarine weapons besides the omnissian axe

bruh.jpg

[fair shale]

Grav wouldve been cool in sm2, actually works well into marines too

[unreal bone]

yeah the bigger the melta gun the bigger the range and there are titan sized melta guns

Also factions other than the imperium use melta guns too

Chaos obv, tau, nercons, and eldar also all use melta tech

[unreal bone]

I made a suggestion on their forums for a great idea for the Oculus Bolt Carbine heroic variant

and it will make me sad when they don't do it

Essentially I said the heroic variant of the oculus bolt carbine should be a combi-weapon.

Combi-flamer specifically was my suggestion

[verbal token]

That sounds like it could be fun. I just like combi-bolters in general too. Makes a weapon more versatile and allows me to serve at least two roles in a team.

[unreal bone]

I made the suggestion of combi-flamer because A) a lot of their new heroic variants suck ass.

B) it shouldn't piss of GW as Vanguard is the only class with Oculus besides Techmarine and there is a literal Lieutenant in Phobos armor with Combi-weapon model that is used in 10th edition tabletop

[verbal token]

That would make sense, I feel like Vanguard could use some love.

Although, perhaps we should save these discussions for the SM2 discord lol.

Still cool ideas though, Vanguard is my main in SM2 so that helps.

[serene bough]

emperor's gift gives me godroll plasma (i changed perks/blessings)

crazy

[polar fern]

I have a question. My brother and I are playing the game quite often now. I'm playing as a ogryn while he is enjoying the veteran. But overall we are still noobs. Lv 18 yet. However, he is really liking the spear bolter . What advice can you give to make a good build(some folks dislike bolters in this game).

[distant plaza]

congrats

[hollow ibex]

Here

[void dragon]

bolters are ammo voids, meaning that they need lots of ammo pickups to sustain their fire power on a full mission, the trade is that they do respectable damage all across the board, imo suing either focus fire (use the Bolter more as main weapon) or the Weapon specialist (for more melee while keeping the gun as a sindearmo for cleaning bosses or elites) keystones is good idea. tell him to avoid using the rapid fire of the gun if he can help it, since it can burn lots of ammo while being hard to control, with enough buffs you can make it kill many enemies with a headshot while ADS

[hollow ibex]

This is the default vet build basically

[sharp epoch]

ws on bolter is kinda meh i might go focus target

[surreal rune]

focus target's redirect fire helps with one taps using the single fire mode

and helps with boss demolishing, which the bolter is good at

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah that’s not a bolter build

Bolter should go FT or MMF

[polar fern]

Thanks. And the advices that follow.I Will tell him tomorrow

[spark helm]

Oh don't worry. Assuming everything I've seen holds up by the time that patch arrives, vanguard is about to go insane.

It already seems pretty solid but what's potentially coming is wild.

[slow sky]

declined from havoc 22

[verbal token]

Thank the Emperor, I simply wish to have fun playing as the silly grapplehook marine. Although, the one other thing I am very excited for is the Raven Guard champion.

[spark helm]

Raven Guard mentioned. I'm mildly interested despite how goofy I think space marines are.

[verbal token]

I just wanna look and feel cool. And the Raven Guard Champion looks cool. That is all.

[spark helm]

I enjoy the sneaks

[tame lodge]

Lmao my goat washed

[spark helm]

Sniper is my current and only class I have xp for. Almost done with p3. Vanguard is next after I'm satisfied with things.

I saw "Infiltrator" and "Deadly Shadow" for the flavor text. I didn't stand a chance.

The majority of my heraldry progress is in the raven guard tab too. Even scooped their little dlc pack.

[verbal token]

I’ve got all my classes fully leveled, but only my vanguard is at P1. I simply do not have enough time for the prestige grind unfortunately, what with school and all.

[verbal token]

Same, the Raven Guard are my goats. Knowing that there are more beaky helmets coming also makes me happy.

[spark helm]

Noice. Would you happen to have those interests transfer to darktide via...perhaps infiltrate and shroudfield? 🥷🏾

[verbal token]

Occasionally. I like playing smoke grenade and infiltrate vet if I’m feeling particularly devious. Also I like the color black so I guess that counts for something.

[spark helm]

||Play infiltrate vet/shroudfield zeal more||

[tepid otter]

Nah, just shout and throw grenades at your problems

[verbal token]

That’s my main vet build, but I use either Krak or Shredder nades depending on how I’m feeling.

[verbal token]

Will do, I’ll try to tell you how it goes.

[dapper coyote]

Whoops missclick

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/name-you-said-wanted-here-i-am-gif-21456396

[dapper coyote]

On a completely unrelated side note: Zarona Combat Shotgun Special Shell is fucking amazing at removing chaffs

I set my Special attacks to E so that i can spam them

and holy shit, does it delete chaffs in to fine mist, (and has a fuckton of Stagger, enough to trigger Bulwarks stun animation if you hit his non shielded body parts)

It turns into a Pseudo Double Barrel lmao

[spark helm]

I've been returning to shotguns again just because I missed them. Hopefully any changes don't up and slap them into reserve surplus use status 😭

Double-barrel is probably safe.

Arbites feels like it can't fail.

[dapper coyote]

I feel Combat shotguns is the one weapon that fits into EVERY situation in this game

Specialists? ADS and done

Chaffs? don't ADS and done

Boss? ADS and aim well, done

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s a shame we only have two combat shotguns in the game tho

[dapper coyote]

https://youtu.be/l9nGB8cK1HM?si=4XWhmdets1CYMtcf

[hollow ibex]

Very sad

[spark helm]

I mean. Yeah

Very violent guns fr.

[surreal rune]

how is manstopper flechette or manstopper scattershot on the zarona

[dapper coyote]

Manstopper scattershot

I run mine slightly different

[hollow ibex]

This is zarona manstopper scattershot

Flechette isn’t worth unless you’re going for a budget double barrel imo

[spark helm]

Does it end up struggling in any unique way with that blessing combo?

[hollow ibex]

It’s just that if you plan on making quick follow up shots scattershot makes crit way more consistent

[calm shard]

I prefer full bore myself

mauler one shot

on crit

[hollow ibex]

Yeah just depends on what you want to prioritize

[spark helm]

Neat to consider when I give it a try. I only regret not holding on to my dockets and wasting them chasing plasma gun god roll. 🙃

[willow prairie]

full bore also easy to proc since zarona have pretty good mpc

[rigid pilot]

I ran DBarrel again with manstopper and weaponspec

I feel like doing alt fire is more better than single fire even if you have to do weapon spec reload twice

[hollow ibex]

Not really worth it imo

Single shot already fucks

[rigid pilot]

The spread on DB means kills aren't too consistent

[hollow ibex]

Especially with flechette

[rigid pilot]

But I guess it depends on situation 🤔

Oh flechette

Maybe I'll run that

[hollow ibex]

It’s mandatory yah

[rigid pilot]

Understandable

[hollow ibex]

On WS DB

[rigid pilot]

It does finish off stuff that's barely alive

[hollow ibex]

Proc bleed on an entire horde with one shot. Why not.

[rigid pilot]

How many bleed stacks again?

[hollow ibex]

6

[rigid pilot]

Damn ok

[hollow ibex]

Realistically it’s pretty easy to stack 12

[rigid pilot]

Mm

[calm shard]

because if enemies die to the bleed with your melee out it's a melee kill

[rigid pilot]

Goodbye mauler pack

[hollow ibex]

You can get three stacks of WS with one or two swings of a Rashad

[calm shard]

oh you can just one shot them with WS double barrel

just fire both barrels

one shots maulers out to ~15-ish meters

[rigid pilot]

Yea I need to get better at determining when it's time to double

[calm shard]

the time is scab ragers and maulers

[rigid pilot]

Do y'all run funny triple barrel

[calm shard]

crouch and blow the legs off the scab ragers

[calm shard]

humongous waste of skill points on a WS build

[rigid pilot]

True

[slow sky]

lol

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/trepang-trepang2-check-this-shit-horizon-gif-13349807839715534250

[junior grail]

Should Heavy Sword stagger on its special again?

[primal zealot]

does it not ??

[rigid pilot]

I think only if you hit the head...?

[calm shard]

it still does last I checked???

I was using it just like yesterday

and it still staggered

[slow sky]

crushers got their stagger resistance upped

[primal zealot]

i see

[wicked inlet]

I miss the auto guns when they were good

Rip Agripina and vraks

[narrow frost]

Real

They need a kill override like rock

To be on level of shredder auto

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cold-cat-gif-13979847360878479627

[wicked inlet]

And I want catachan jungle fighter drip

[dry cloak]

closest thing is armageddon ork hunters

[north spoke]

Hey hey people

[frank basin]

There’s the shark

[unreal nova]

But is bleah though.

[north spoke]

I am here to see the new class

And seeking that Veteran top for my boi

[frank basin]

We have few shark here if i remember

Two of them gone

[north spoke]

A shame, then I'll need to pick up the slack

[frank basin]

There’s only three bird here

😔

[north spoke]

GOOD

One of you jackasses stole my helmet!

[frank basin]

Wdym stolen?

I don’t fly anyway

[north spoke]

You and your big ass Red Armor and white pauldron and Diomedes

[frank basin]

Im wearing this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1376437312426348634/image.png?ex=69142024&is=6912cea4&hm=469dceed6a99ffb65f95879f324fa33899ef44995956cbc78753ccdd4a65c551&

Oh you think im the blood raven

[north spoke]

Ye lol

[frank basin]

Im no marine

[north spoke]

I do like it

Also here's my Vet currently

A little tampering with the For The Drip mod

[frank basin]

The menu vet

[north spoke]

Nothing wrong with being a souljah

[frank basin]

My outfit supposed to be the gunner tank

With brauto; the graia

[north spoke]

I'm trying to get the main Veteran top

It looks awesome

[north spoke]

So simple yet so cool

[vestal arch]

Which shotguns do you guys often use?

the double barrel ones?

[toxic reef]

double barrel for weapons specialist

combat otherwise

[vestal arch]

weapon specialist?

oh the melee effect

[toxic reef]

the rightmost keystone ye

[dapper coyote]

WS, you can load guns after murking someone in melee and switching to the gun back

[vestal arch]

what about the combat shotgun?

[dapper coyote]

Combat shotguns are the universal gun, fits into every situation.

Double barrels are the DPS, Havoc Viable (with correct build) and can carry your team with it

[vestal arch]

those weapons have more ammo capacity than the double barrel ones?

[dapper coyote]

You wanna try shotguns?

[vestal arch]

yeah, ive mastered some of the lasguns and autoguns, but never tried shotguns

[dapper coyote]

Combat for Universal gun.

DB is bit of a special gun.

[vestal arch]

just want some opinions or thoughts about it

cause I rarely seen anyone in my pub use shotguns

its either plasma, or recon gun

[dapper coyote]

Yea combat is da universal gun and DB is D E A T H with the correct build

Long range, Short range?
Armored, unyielding?
Chaffs, bosses?

Combat shotgun can take care of it with 3 flavours to choose from

DB is KILL, KILL, KILL

[vestal arch]

Ok, ill try it after finishing the las pistol

[dapper coyote]

There's plentiful of builds around here.

Check one by "Epic Cole" for DB

[jaunty sphinx]

db is nutty with weapon specialist

[toxic reef]

db is like venting shriek but it's pellets instead

[jaunty sphinx]

yeah

[junior grail]

When are we getting news on class reveal again?

[jaunty sphinx]

a little under 6 hours iirc

[junior grail]

Oooo

Cant wait to play as a Skaven

[toxic reef]

<t:1762880400:t>

[vestal arch]

Epic Cole?

in gameslantern?

or here?

[dapper coyote]

In discord here yes

He got some Insane build

And Out DPS fucking Psykers

[jaunty sphinx]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun

so you dont have to search

[vestal arch]

Oh thanks

[dapper coyote]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

And this is for the Combat Shotguns (albeit mine is slightly modified)

[vestal arch]

I thought he posted or share some guides here in discord

[toxic reef]

ye im that on my shotty build but with zarona

[dapper coyote]

Zarona's Special shells is fucking amazing imo

Don't forget that combat shotguns have special shells, Hen.

They are fucking amazing

Except for the flame shell, they kinda sucked imo.

[vestal arch]

Oh, I thought it was decent

[dapper coyote]

Its DOT shell, it can by pass Bulwarks shields but ehhhhhhh

[cinder talon]

boys is it bad that i excel in usinf execution but not shout?

[turbid ibex]

No

[cinder talon]

ok cool cool

[jaunty sphinx]

not at all

[cinder talon]

because i cant get a good rythm with shout

either i get jumped or my dumbass gets gunned down

[dapper coyote]

Zarona's Duckbilled buckshot gives you Pseudo DB with plentiful of stagger + Cleave (if you spammed them) making hordes a light work

And Agrippina's AP P+ Slug can stun lock Crushers and chew bosses HP pretty well

[turbid ibex]

Shout got some really big nerfs with the rework though its still solid

[jaunty sphinx]

put the karking boot in

[cinder talon]

even pre nerf i feel shite using it :oof:

[vestal arch]

Oh thats pretty good info to know

I didnt know about much about shotguns

[cinder talon]

feel like i can contribute more by just wallhacks and removing the threat before that threat arrive

[vestal arch]

all I know is they have a shiteload of pellets to cover your shitty aim

[dapper coyote]

Yea they Combat Shotguns come with 3 flavours

[turbid ibex]

The slug also has a funny interaction with full bore blessing

[vestal arch]

but thats way different than I thought

[dapper coyote]

Oh and ADS tighten your Spread

Which is why i called it universal gun

[vestal arch]

thanks for that info

I'll try it out

[dapper coyote]

Ye, I FUCKING LOVE SHOTGUNS RAAAAAAHHHH

[distant mural]

Exactly

And its no golden toughness wich teaches u to stay alive better.

And free dmg

[cinder talon]

my panic button for infinite crushers, kraks

my beloved

[distant mural]

Kraks are very nice too now

I usually go for spearhead boltgun with chainaxe.

[serene bough]

Any idea when we'll hear about new class

Idk when FS usually posts updates

[turbid ibex]

About 4 hours

[serene bough]

Ty

[sudden cedar]

It will happen soon enough

[reef island]

wonder if it will add anything new to the game tho, it felt like the mall cop is using rehashed abilities from other classes sometimes

[tame lodge]

Another dash

Another AoE yell

Then another stance

[reef island]

hahaha i hope they have something better

i was thinking it would be fun if they allowed a grapple gun of sorts, but then it would need them to rework entire maps for "grapple-bility"

or a 3rd "large" weapon type like Bardin's gatling. Or a sniper rifle

i dunno how they will balance turrets tho, feels like it will be completely useless in auric, or too OP

[tame lodge]

They should give turrets friendly fire

Like in gtfo

[serene bough]

Its not happening now therefore it is not soon enough

[reef island]

Just so its funny, make it the auto shotty turret so friendly fire incidents are..... costly

[distant mural]

Tbh the dog is enough afk gaming for me i dont need a turrent aswell

I think its not good for a game like this

[slow spade]

Nonsense now they can double dog spawns for the 8th time c:

[reef island]

still not enough dogs to go against a doggo horde

[grim sonnet]

give me a hellgun and my life is yours!!

[dapper coyote]

What time does the new class reveal is again?

[elder vessel]

I like the deployable speaker

professional grade yapping

[tame lodge]

About 2 and a half hour

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[elder vessel]

Do we know how its gonna be revealed?

trailer? livestream?

[distant mural]

Teaser

I guess

Like the arbeeeeetus one

[tall torrent]

Prob trailer

[distant mural]

And then well have to use the lore nerds to unravel what the teaser actually shows

[pseudo fiber]

Not really a reveal then js jt

[distant mural]

Well its just my guess

I dont have a clue

[pseudo fiber]

I think it'll be a full CG trailer

[distant mural]

Its gonna be a high resolution video of a ganger smoking crack then

[tall torrent]

I think it’s likely to be a cold trader

[pseudo fiber]

I said man full trailer with an admech at the end they get their brains blow out and up walks

HIVE GANGER

[distant mural]

Whats that?

[tall torrent]

Person who deals with xenos tech

[distant mural]

That would be hillarious

[tall torrent]

Crime syndicate style

[distant mural]

Ah ok

[tall torrent]

Refer to Jae from rogue trader game

She’s cold trader

[distant mural]

True

[pseudo fiber]

Im thinking maybe a bounty hunter

[distant mural]

They did a the arbeetus in rt aswell

[tall torrent]

Code name broker

Most likely refers to a cold trader

[pseudo fiber]

Or it just starts with B hehe

[distant mural]

I would love a bounty hunter actually

But imo admech would be the coolest

And most unique

[tall torrent]

Admech would surely get coded in a diff name

[distant mural]

Damn

[pseudo fiber]

Gearguy

[dapper coyote]

Half-Servitor

[elder vessel]

arbites show up on the mourningstar and a few months later

pirates

Just strutting their stuff in front of Proctor Exactant Zorin

[tall torrent]

I just remember

Veteran’s code name is “default”

And arb’s code name is “adamant”

[pseudo fiber]

Lots of things are adamant

[elder vessel]

like

adamantium

[pseudo fiber]

True

[distant mural]

I think youre right now i googled a little about it.

Xenotech weapons and shit would be dope

Cold trader confirmed

[dapper coyote]

Tau rifles one shot DH build

[distant mural]

DAKKA

[tall torrent]

Xenotech + needle weapons

Prob

Aeldari Chainsword

Necron hyper phase sword (this I doubt tho)

[distant mural]

💦

[pearl oasis]

Is "Keep their heads down" useful for the suppression bonus?

[dapper coyote]

No

You want their heads to pop up to shoot them

[pearl oasis]

Neato

[dapper coyote]

Suppression bonus makes them run to cover or cower in fear, most likely you'll get the prior

[distant mural]

Oh lord now i cant wait for the damn trailer

[dapper coyote]

Unless...

You used the Heavy Combat shotguns (Accatran), which will instantly make them cower in fear instead of booking it

[tall torrent]

Don’t get excited for nothing lol

[visual prism]

🤔

[dapper coyote]

But its a wasteful(?) reason trying to run suppression maxxing

[tall torrent]

Long time no see

[pseudo fiber]

No matter what I'm just excited for darktide to get an update

[dapper coyote]

"CALIBRATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM." - Andor, Col Parthagaz

[tall torrent]

Surely psyker will get nerfed and falchion buffed

[pseudo fiber]

We got a psyker buff in there

And uh falchion was performing a little too well so we nerfed the amount of time it can spend charged

Now for...

3 swings

Max

[tall torrent]

Nah it was revealed to me in a dream we’re getting a permanent modifier called shadows in the warp that makes all enemies have x30% DR vs warp damage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1351967701924446309/image0.gif

[pseudo fiber]

However. We noticed that the uncharged mode was a little too weak so we're upping it's cleave.

Actually lowers cleave and isn't fixed for a year and a half

[tame lodge]

Not really
Too irrelevant

Your weapon either has too little or too much suppression

[tall torrent]

lol no announcement

[pseudo fiber]

New class is no class

Got us

[distant plaza]

fucking boo

one more week!

[tall torrent]

They did say release date is Dec02

[tame lodge]

Hahahahah

Hahahahah

Hahahhaahhahhah

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[tame lodge]

AHAHAHAHHHAHAH

[elder vessel]

honestly fuck the trailer just TELL WHAT IT IS

TELL ME WHAT IT IS FATSHARK

[tall torrent]

Most likely cold trader

[serene bough]

F

Announcement delay

[narrow widget]

VET 3.0 CONFIRMED THEY JUST DONT WANT TO SAY IT

[void dragon]

"vet 3.0" is an unusual way to say "Felinid assassin"

[tame lodge]

Weird way to spell barrel casualty but sure

[narrow widget]

you're a barrel victim

smh

believe in vet 3

[void dragon]

Barrel statistics

[narrow widget]

I'm manifesting vet 3 rn

[dapper coyote]

So no trailer?

No nothing?

[tall torrent]

Nada

[dapper coyote]

Or did i miss something

[void dragon]

Willing something into existence is unsanctioned use of ruinous warp powers, this it's heresy

[untold mulch]

I am honestly surprised they pulled another one so quickly, I barely kept with the game after arbiter

[tall torrent]

The only thing we know is that the new class’s release is Dec02

[untold mulch]

So, no clue wtf it is

[tall torrent]

It’s most likely a cold trader

[void dragon]

CLEARLY the new class is the fabled assassinorum FELINID bioweapon (source: my beloved)

[untold mulch]

Jae dual wielding build lets gooo

[untold mulch]

I trust your source

[distant mural]

Bro im fucking dying they actually cancelled it 1 hour before release

[untold mulch]

OH SHIT, lmao

[distant mural]

No way

[untold mulch]

The shark must be fed

[void dragon]

Peak Sloptide

[distant mural]

Insanity😂

[untold mulch]

At this point I have such hopes for Fatshark, that I kinda, can't be ever dissapointed because I don't expect shit all

[void dragon]

Everyone is loosing their sheep

[distant mural]

They had to be planning this shit😂

[untold mulch]

I am only here on chat because of the ping

[wheat coyote]

Anybody knows the last date when Trooper Ston "Blind Man" Makkar set was available in the shop?

[distant mural]

Theres no way you just cancel it 1 hour before they had to know before😂😂😂

[wheat coyote]

[untold mulch]

Fatshark has the communication skills/movement of a company of 1000 people

[void dragon]

Wonder what got rejected to cancel the announcement, maybe the trailer was not GW approved?

[untold mulch]

but the manpower of like 80 in practice

[narrow widget]

sry we're going on vacation again

[distant mural]

Thats just edging us at this point

[void dragon]

Classic MorbidlyobeseShrimp

[untold mulch]

I wouldn't be surprised

like, I am not memeing, my expectations of the obese megalodon are basically null

Hellgun fucking when

[tall torrent]

If it’s cold trader it’s prob some xenos weapon that got shut down last second and needed tweaks

[untold mulch]

Its been like 3 karking years

[pseudo fiber]

Marketing materials

Its not the class itself

[tall torrent]

Yea the marketing material which include weapons to be showed prob

[narrow widget]

just add hellgun as a non-vet exclusive and watch the vet chat go insane atp

[untold mulch]

I don't mind if isn't vet exclusive

I just want it already

[void dragon]

Sad that we have to wait more to bask in the felinid bioweapon class

[untold mulch]

Honestly, a xeno/exotic weapons class would be a bit cooler than the arbiter IMO

Gauss Flayer sounds balanced right?

[serene bough]

Why this

[tall torrent]

Code name broker

We’re on a rogue trader ship

[serene bough]

Are cold traders not rare even on a RT ship

[void dragon]

The broker is swagger and he will bring his crew to reinforce the Mourningstar

[serene bough]

I always thought swagger was eldar

[untold mulch]

He is not tall enough

[hollow ibex]

dafuq is a cold trader

[untold mulch]

Unless is a very weird eldar

[hollow ibex]

they trade ice cubes or something?

[serene bough]

Illegal trade ofs xenos tech

[untold mulch]

Xenotech and all that kind of trader

[hollow ibex]

ah i see lol

[serene bough]

Eldar can warp perception to be seen as human

[untold mulch]

Owlcat Rogue Trader has a companion that is one

[serene bough]

At least I thought so I read in a book something like that

[untold mulch]

Eh, I feel it kinda hamfisted that way ngl

Nothing of him says to me Eldar.

Very suspicious dude and all that

but not a Eldar

[serene bough]

My opinion is hes close to grendyl where no one else is and the eldar want something with grendyl (unless there's a connection between brahms and swagger idk about)

[untold mulch]

The fact that we can be face to face with him in gameplay

If he atleast always kept to shadows and all that shit maybe

[serene bough]

So im guessing there's a connection there

[untold mulch]

Still, a Cold Trader character would be nice as a way to use some xenotech weapons ingame, a niche no other class can have

doesn't steps on anyones toes

[serene bough]

It would be very cool

[void dragon]

What xenos weapons would ogryn get? That would not destroy our void ship I mean

[pearl oasis]

What does Cleave do for the Hellbore?

[hollow ibex]

the same thing it does for any weapon, lets you hit through one enemy to the next

[pearl oasis]

Hell, what do most weirdly specific stat mods mean

[hollow ibex]

assuming you don't run out of cleave

after hitting the first enemy

[pearl oasis]

Right

[serene bough]

They'd probably just chuck it at something like a rock 2.0

Too dumb 2 use

[untold mulch]

Most are too complicated probably to even risk for Ogryn use, even if our Ogyrns are smart af

[void dragon]

Me ogryn is what som say Ge-neigh-us, me should have biggerest weapon

[sudden cedar]

The wait continues

[tall torrent]

Necron tech roomba

[gray steppe]

The leg of a Necron to beat people to death with.

[void dragon]

Cool tech to book good? Nice!

• The necron leg has malfunction lasers still sparkling around

[red robin]

Mfs probably want to sell some cosmetics in shop to line up with “hype” reveal will have

Some dude in marketing was like, if we release this with the skin rotation, it will have 2% better profit margins

[pearl oasis]

Is voice of command all toughness?

[hexed vale]

Ork choppa

[tall torrent]

Yes

[pearl oasis]

Nice

[inner iris]

opinions on helbore lasguns?
to me it feels kinda meh although fun to use

[silver patrol]

what do you mean

[slow spade]

I think they're wondering if VoC restores "missing" toughness or "all" toughness

An important distinction for Born Leader

Should be "all" toughness unless something changed

[tame lodge]

Peak

[calm shard]

the best ranged weapons in the game bar none

comically high damage

good blessings

functionally infinite ammo

[tame lodge]

But not for everyone
You love it or hate it

And you better have good aiming skills

[calm shard]

well inferno staff is better prob but that doesn't count

[heavy rover]

Peak. It's love it or hate it though

[sand abyss]

So who playin vet for veterans day

[slate wave]

Me

[tall torrent]

Nah

It’s up there tho

[heavy rover]

Yeah, top 3 ranged are mkiii/mkiv helbore tied for first place, followed by mk V helbore

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[solid talon]

So I'm tryint out plasma for once. Finally got a decent gun I'm working on getting the mastery up for. Does this need any particular vet perks to do well or can I slot it into my halfassed in flux build and be fine?

[distant mural]

Why is this so cursed lmao

[calm shard]

plasma can't kill carapace

[silver patrol]

i would take skirmisher

[calm shard]

it runs maniacs/flak/unarmored

to one shot priority enemies

[silver patrol]

also yeah, to kill a crusher it takes like

6 shots or so?

[solid talon]

I'll fix it up after this mission then. Swap carpace for maniac I think

I'll get my shit together with the talents soon too. Just too lazy to change from my lasgun set

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1427861172765331466/Screenshot_20251014_172923.png?ex=69062797&is=6904d617&hm=17c94eff2e07f0c50ba0ed9365e527bfc4db8d2c25d05d84bca84535a2b5046b&

Unarmored + flak for plasma perks

Gets hot + rising heat for blessings

[surreal rune]

fully loaded is nice for the plasma because it doubles the amount of ammo you get back from survivalist

[solid talon]

Unarmored over maniac? I forget what has unarmored thats worth hitting that breakpoint

[surreal rune]

dreg gunners and dreg shotgunners

[solid talon]

Ohhh

[red robin]

True

[tame lodge]

And Tox Bomber

Tanky ahh muhfuh

[red robin]

Vaporize dregs

Stir fry dregs in a wok

Launch dregs into the sun

[solid talon]

I never fucked around with the weapon swap keystone. I don't usually have the brainpower to juggle like that

[red robin]

Boil dregs in shit

[surreal rune]

agile engagement and skirmisher are enough damage for the other breakpoints on enemies

[solid talon]

I'll need to expand my brain but it should be gun

[hollow ibex]

It’s actually very simple and intuitive. Kill three people in melee. Then kill one person in ranged. That’s it

Doing that will keep giving you buffs

Guaranteed crit for one shot on ranged

Attack speed and dodge while in melee

[solid talon]

Ah I see

That helps a lot then

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=6914a9fe&is=6913587e&hm=53385711982be220e074e6905a723982d09b1bc8a30d26c186f510e1fc5825e3&

Example

Just swap back and forth

[solid talon]

Thats pretty nice

Now just to decide if I want to bring executioners stance or shout

Actually how is stealth? I've never touched it any

[hollow ibex]

Funny as a stealth bomber

[spark helm]

It has its limits, but usable and entertaining.

[hollow ibex]

But otherwise eclipsed by ES and VOC

It’s usable yeah

[solid talon]

Ah I gottchu

[hollow ibex]

I main ES rn. It’s really powerful even on melee builds

VOC is just simple and stupid

Get out of jail free card

[spark helm]

Main thing with infiltration is honestly just playing well to begin with. A better experience is possible on shroudfield in spades.

[hollow ibex]

Nerfed multiple times and still very strong

[fair shale]

ES simply more fun to use imo

I love esp tho

[solid talon]

You guys run the outline for ogryns with more duration? Or shooters cause theres just more targets to shoot at and refresh off of?

[fair shale]

Ik a lot of people prefer Og but I like shooters. Harder to see when its dark+more plentiful for uptime

[spark helm]

Either works well. The former provides greater safety nets during staggered kills ot droughts. The latter makes it better for consistency and shutting down grunt shooters.

[fair shale]

The crusher is simply the distraction fex for the shooters

[spark helm]

And with counter-fire, you essentially have a steady supply of information and target rich environments. The higher you go though, the more the ogryn modifier can be a lot more relevant from sheer volume of elites in havoca.

And due to that, the duration bonus it provides makes it safer to have to patiently stagger out kills for any number of reasons.

[solid talon]

Thank you very much for all the input btw. Its very helpful. Sitting here with 140 hours and I still feel like I barely know the game

[calm shard]

I have unfortunately started having darktide recommended on my youtube

[spark helm]

At the very least up to auric difficulty, either one is going to be beneficial to you. For weapons more fond of busting bigger targets with the reserves and magazine capacity, ogryn modifier can be more attractive. For infantry lasguns and the like with much larger mags and reserves but less firepower comparatively, counterfire it better in my experience, bias included.

[calm shard]

and am absolutely floored to see that the big content creators think the infantry autoguns are bad

https://fximgur.com/a/0cnpg4Q

you know

this infantry autogun

[spark helm]

It's over.

[solid talon]

I need to try the infa try autoguns more. I remember trying one out and the recoil making it a little hard for me to keep on target

[fair shale]

You tap the mk1 like a cs ak

[solid talon]

Ohh that makes a lot more sense

[serene bough]

Recommend the ogryn node

The 8s duration is really noticeable

Its also nice you get to chuck a krak and effectively refresh your duration

[hybrid plover]

Both subnodes are good for different reasons imho

Ogryn is generally more consistent for uptime but there's an argument to be made for Counterfire specifically in Havoc

Because those fodder guns are genuinely one of the most dangerous things in havoc and it's nice to catch them before you try to engage them

Especially in low vis ops.

[solid talon]

Yeah I've noticed I've been getting the shit kicked out of me by normal shooters in the backline more and more lately

[serene bough]

I can see the fodder highlight node being good if you run recon

[solid talon]

I'll highlight them cause it'll be funny to use the plasma and just cleave through the world to kill them

[hybrid plover]

They're much worse than elite gunners in havoc

[serene bough]

Since youre basically bullet hosing a death laser in a general direction

[solid talon]

And here I am playing on heresy and damnation with friends

[hybrid plover]

Bigger numbers, heightened RoF (especially with yellow stims), and gunner resistance does nothing against them.

[solid talon]

I've got 3 curios with gunner resist and I kinda cant live without them now

[hybrid plover]

You must incorporate. The cha cha slide into your dance if you're having trouble with reg guns on heresy or damn

Dodge sliding to be specific.

[solid talon]

I meant that I'm just not trying to push that high into difficulties yet lmao. Shooters fuck me up when I try like auric mostly

[tame lodge]

They don't know

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[hybrid plover]

Ye. And that's a good fundamental to have when you do try to push up in difficulty.

Guns can be trivialized in a lot of cases if you know how to abuse sliding in combat. At least in normal difficulties.

[solid talon]

I just keep forgetting sliding is even a thing. And I gottq get used tonhaving to sprint again when its done

[serene bough]

Even in havoc sliding just nullifies gunners

Its always comical to slide right upto 25 entrenched gunners in a straight line

[spark helm]

How often do they show up? Haven't played in a minute up there but most of the consistency of grunt shooters feels about the same as hitsg auric maelstroms with where I'm at.

[spark helm]

If that's the case and you're willing to consider it, I highly recommend taking counterfire if you want to just have a little extra incentive in learning your way around them as a collective threat. Grunt shooters are always a problem when left uncontested.

[calm shard]

the stalker blowing my back out because I didn't notice him hiding in the corner

[willow prairie]

what blessing for vigilant again

[narrow frost]

1 and 2 shot is surgical deadly accurate

3 burst headhunter deadly accurate

[sharp epoch]

counterfire is worse than the ogryn one

[willow prairie]

perk? @narrow frost

[narrow frost]

unsure for auric but I bring maniac unyield for havoc

maniac unarmored/flak probably for auric

[narrow widget]

my condolences

[calm shard]

sure but like

it's not bad

both are worth taking for their own reasons and for certain weapons

[solid talon]

Yee imt rying it in this currnet mission ajd its fun. Gonna get a smaller gun.. maybe a vigilant autogun?

[hollow ibex]

Yah and the fact is that shooters are just waaaay more common than ogryns

Ogryn show up 20 at a time

But shooters are pretty much always around

[sonic kayak]

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[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/iDvues6

[solid talon]

Actually. Do the vigilant autoguns have any real differences bwtween the infantry ones other than being semi and burst fire?

[calm shard]

different blessings

also y'know

damage profiles

[solid talon]

True true

[hybrid plover]

A lot.

[hybrid plover]

I wouldnt say that because they fire so fast that they can catch you when the animation ends way more often.

It helps a lot but they're not nearly as trivial.

[solid talon]

Gross

Okay, got an infantry auto to level it up, time to see what I wanna do with them. Apparently I'm already mastery 10 so I have all the marks

[willow prairie]

which one is the good helbore

plus perk and blessing

[calm shard]

all 3 are "the good helbore"

what do you want from them

[willow prairie]

funny crusher 1 shot

[calm shard]

Mk IV

Surgical+Weight of Fire

Carapace/Unyielding

Needs Skirmisher+Marksman for the one shot

also exe

[serene bough]

CK stacks will help negate any chip damage you take between each slide

Not to mention gold toughness

Wouldn't say youre immortal but its still pretty easy to close gap if youre quick

[slow sky]

Or surgical/hotshot

[slow sky]

And catch a breath
Or exe stance instead of voc (yes really)
And mmf multiplying it all by up to 1.6x

[hollow ibex]

ES with MMF is really funny

[spark helm]

Good to know. Let's say I'm playing veteran at havoc 40 and another veteran has things covered from the elite killer angles. What ranged options with counterfire have you seen or done that you can say served that purpose of checking and cleaning up shooters, especially with ranged weapons that have the ammo capacity to make playing that role more stable?

[calm shard]

helbore, recon lasgun, laspistol, and the infantry autoguns

[sonic kayak]

Infantry lasgun

[calm shard]

also agri combat shotgun

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-looking-the-look-closeup-gif-22928630

You memeing me or you got receipts and experience?

[spark helm]

I've only played with...mm. helbore and I think a very botched recon lasgun run. What recon mark works best for mid to longe range engagements? I really haven't put in time with any mark that wasn't the fastest firing one. Played with the others maybe three times a piece so I can't speak more confidently on it from my experience.

[calm shard]

VIc is more accurate and ammo efficient than the speedy boy

[sonic kayak]

Tbh I used to use it at the start of Havoc 2.0, I'm sure it's still usable simply in terms of ammo economy but laspistol is strictly a better weapon in every way

[calm shard]

Mk XIV is fun with deadshot but you REALLY have to have good aim for that

[spark helm]

For havoc especially. I'm still climbing when the damn thing actually works. I'm low havoc so it just feels like auric but more consistent on bigger groups of enemies.

[sonic kayak]

I have a friend who uses the fast firing one in Havoc, not sure what build he uses and if it's an actual seriously thought out build or a meme

[calm shard]

the fast one is good

it has faster TTK cause it stacks infernus faster

[spark helm]

My aim is pretty good so no worries. I might avoid deadshot because I want to get a better feel for how damage is taken in havoc before doing stuff with stamina management.

[sonic kayak]

No I mean the fast firing ilas

[calm shard]

what about what I said is wrong

[spark helm]

Oh yeah I'm following your replies no problem. I dead ass adore the infantry lasgun and have been an exestance fiend since closed beta.

[serene bough]

It was usable in havoc 1.0

But nowadays with the shift to armor elite death balls ilas is very much not worth

You'd better off take recon or helbore if you want a las gunner fantasy

[sonic kayak]

Right, just because they're juiced

I've used the 7 in 1.0

[serene bough]

Common gunners aren't affected by hp boost iirc

[spark helm]

Which recon lasgun doesn't want to play around with deadshot more again?@calm shard

Busy with other things atm so I can't squeeze in a quick scroll.

[serene bough]

You took the ilas back then or las pistol bc they had ghost

[calm shard]

the XIV is the only one that would want deadshot

waste of time on the other two

[sonic kayak]

Exactly

[spark helm]

Ghost was really going up in havoc? Juicy.

[sonic kayak]

Because fading light was a bitch

[spark helm]

Is fading light lights out?

[serene bough]

Back when havoc launched it was highly skewed towards how well you could deal with ranged trash and gunner elites

Then they nerfed a bjt and made a higher emphasis on armored elites

[sonic kayak]

"Emperor's Fading Light" used to give shooters a RoF buff

Or was it a burst buff?

[calm shard]

it still does

they just reduced by how much

also it was both

[spark helm]

I see. Good to know. That's one of my favorite roles to cover with veteran because sometimes people just get overwhelmed by them so much.

[serene bough]

So ghost was very valuable my first havoc 40 clear was with IIb ilas

[sonic kayak]

That's it

[spark helm]

It also just feels cool

[serene bough]

Nowadays this is not the case, you get dps checked by crusher/mauler spam a lot

Gunners are still lethal but I find more of my losses are bc 1 of the 40 rotten crushers swarming you got the overhead on someone

[sonic kayak]

Blue stimm mauler sliding over to assert his dominance:

[serene bough]

I've decided that I hate rotten armor more than stims

Were it not for the overtuned blue stim it would be a nothing modifier

I do however really hate having to fight several waves of rotten armor per horde and losing to bullet sponge spam

[vestal badger]

does reload speed perk effect loading of the special shell on combat shotties?

[calm shard]

yeah

[vestal badger]

ty

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-virtual-insanity-template-walking-dancing-rearranging-furnitures-gif-27710286

[willow prairie]

mfw bruiser pushed me into overhead

[spark helm]

Good to know. I've been focusing on helbore and plasma gun as my starting choices going deeper into the havoc climb. Personally prefer what the helbore can do given what I talked about so it's good to hear about that sort of longevity for the weapon's case uses.

[sharp epoch]

im a certified blue stimm hater

[dry wedge]

Been using this build unironically. Don't really think it's "meta" as the title implies but it is fun https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df040b6-b9cd-46eb-8be0-c3dd02afc350/meta-nrgaas-bolter-veteran-havoc-40

[slow sky]

So stick near your Taunt oggy or Inferno Psyker and rely on them to kill horde enemies for you.

Lol
Lmao

[dry wedge]

Yeah I treat it more like an anti specialist build. The axe or dueling sword are fun for hordes so I'm usually knee deep anyway

[calm shard]

helpless veteran can't melee things big sad :(

[hybrid plover]

I hate this. I hate this so much.

This is literally a losing sentiment right here.

This mentality is exactly the kind of mentality that makes you lose havocs.

[calm shard]

yeah and besides pushing aggressively with exe vet is fun!

You're so goddamn tanky from the toughness regen and MMF you can just wade face first into an army of shooters

And kill them all

Keeps your team alive too :)

Oh wait that isn't an exe build

Uuuuh

Pop your VoC and hide in cover like a good little noodle

[hybrid plover]

Thing about this build is that it actually has the potential to be decent at horde clear when you need it but the tac axe setup is scuffed

I can't really give credence to someone saying it's a havoc 40 build and then putting something in the notes that imply it's actually not good for Havoc 40 at all.

And that's an annoying quirk with a lot of gameslantern builds that call themselves havoc 40 ready.

[dry wedge]

Yeah I take it at face value

I was using a recon lasgun + dueling sword build before which was fun

[dry wedge]

If you have a build I can try I'd be appreciative! Vet definitely isn't my main but it's the class I have the most fun with

[sharp epoch]

it works most of the time though 75% of vets run ds still

the meta is still strong book zealot taunt oggy and bubble psyker, shout vet is typically not required

[jaunty sphinx]

I'd prefer my zealot run fotf so they can actually do damage while I bring shout tbh

[sonic kayak]

But you're dealing emotional damage with shout, the worst kind of damage

Yelling at something until it dies, truly a veteran

[hybrid plover]

There isn't a single havoc setup I've seen lately that doesn't have a vet

In some shape or form.

[sharp epoch]

oh i meant exe or shout both work

[hybrid plover]

And I meant more along the lines of the build being "specialized"

Meaning being dependent upon another players setup entirely to make up for the fault of the build, which is just building for failure imho

[sharp epoch]

yeah if they take ds thats essentially being specialized cause it cant horde clear well

but both the zealot and vet can take it and they still do well with the psyker picking up the horde threat

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a045a082-ec77-438d-8ebf-98ffc4708f65/trench-shotgunner

Or as Cole would call it since we run literally the same thing with one difference in node

"How to have fun"

I suppose if you're looking specifically for a bolter build, I can cook one up.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a055c28c-9d97-4d3e-abe3-bf3068280314/bolter-22?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

There. That's a version of that build that's more generalist and won't leave you a sitting duck in hordes that I've used.

[fast shale]

Greetings, combat axe always needs unarmored refine?

Perk I mean

[sharp epoch]

if you run it with brutal momentum yeah

[fast shale]

Nice, thanks!

[sharp epoch]

the reasoning is because it lets you one shot those club guys with unarmored heads which makes brutal momentum work

[fast shale]

Hey fellas what keystone is recomended if I'm running these two? Im have been trying middle and right, but middle one feels like its only really useful against bosses but when using right keystone the swap to range is god awful to really use the buff properly

I'm using this alongside kraks, upgraded kraks so I have no spare points

Also no keystone upgrades

[calm shard]

lets see Mk VII shovel is hopeless so no keystone can save it

bolter works best with focus target since it has high base damage

👍

[hollow ibex]

I prefer MMF with bolter but you basically give up all your melee talents for that

[jaunty sphinx]

god I hate derank

[fast shale]

Aig, also for other build is it worth sacrificing this node to get the 25 extra tuffness

[jaunty sphinx]

swap to mkI or III shovel

[calm shard]

does sacrificing 25% base damage sound worth it for 25 toughness

[hollow ibex]

Sacrifice something else if you can

[fast shale]

Oh no, this shovel feeels good

[jaunty sphinx]

more power to ya then pal