veteran-class

[fervent citrus]

if anyone remembers the laspistol build please you're welcome to speak up lol

[hollow ibex]

What build

[silver patrol]

isn't that just the recon build

[tame lodge]

Or is it a MMF laspistol build

[fervent citrus]

fortunately i had the foresight to screenshot the old build

[silver patrol]

old stuff

wouldn't follow it too much

[fervent citrus]

i know but is it possible to at least translate this into the current tree lol

[silver patrol]

yeah basically

you just have more leeway and don't have to take tax nodes

[sharp epoch]

oh I made a laspistol build but irs way different

I can trasnlate that one though

[silver patrol]

no skirmisher?

[fervent citrus]

yeah i might be fresh new to the new trees but looking at skirmisher, that sounds necessary for a laspistol build

i wanna be mobile as fuck man and it'll be great to be rewarded for that mobility

[sharp epoch]

exe stance imo is better than shout right now after two straight nerfs

[fervent citrus]

yeah that's around where i got

[fervent citrus]

i wouldnt mind switching to executioner's honestly

[sharp epoch]

yeah just has way more consistent toughness regen compared to waiting 20 seconds for a shout

[fervent citrus]

and maybe figuring out if the primary weapon meta changed up

i have a handful of good guns, i spent a fair amount of time farming the min/max

just good luck to me trying to max them all out

[hybrid plover]

As in melee weapons?

[sharp epoch]

meta is basically melee builds, so the guns that work the best are the ones that dont take any talent points

[fervent citrus]

ok so whats the point of veteran

[sharp epoch]

play melee veteran and like it

[fervent citrus]

or do you just mean in general because it's a fatshark melee horde shooter OF COURSE it's meta

[sharp epoch]

😭 👍

[hybrid plover]

Everyman.

[fervent citrus]

yknow what

[sharp epoch]

no like your doing 2/3 of your damage as melee instead of ranged typically

[hybrid plover]

Vet kinda just does everything.

[mortal aspen]

needs a nerf ngl

too op

[hybrid plover]

They got the ogryn treatment

[fervent citrus]

i wouldnt mind focusing full melee, just that not being able to go a whole lot of ranged'll hurt

i should check if my two good psyker builds can still hold up

[fair shale]

If vet didnt require actual effort to pull psykers numbers id say theyre the best class in game rn

Psyker is still however least effort for maximum return

[fervent citrus]

what confuses me is that wym executioner's stance is better than shout but melee veteran is the best build, that's conflicting

what am i gonna use executioner's stance with as a melee vet, a bolt pistol?

[fair shale]

Exe Stance works with melee

[fervent citrus]

...is the grenade build even possible still?

[sharp epoch]

its not just about damage numbers cause theres also support abilities like book and taunt, but psyker also has the one of the best support ability too

[narrow frost]

yes and even stronger then before

[fervent citrus]

WELP

[fair shale]

Its easier to run all the nade perks

[fervent citrus]

ALRIGHT GUESS I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING

[sharp epoch]

you basically just use it to regen your toughness and keep it ip by killing elites/specials

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't call Exe Stance blatantly better tbh

[mortal aspen]

it's only better than shout if you don't care about your team and you are good enough to not take damage from overheads\bursters

imo

[hybrid plover]

It's amazing. Don't get me wrong.

[fair shale]

Imo Exe Stance is better if you can leverage it and VoC is better if "Press F for benefits" is more your thing.

Exe Stance has an actual skill floor tho

Whereas VoC does not

[hybrid plover]

It does now tbh

The nerfs actually require some nuance to using it.

[sharp epoch]

I think you can get more team value by basically taking out every single gunner and special

[fair shale]

Its still a drastically lower floor than Exe tbf

[fervent citrus]

GRENADE TIME :D

naturally i think it was the frag

[hybrid plover]

You can't just spam shout and win the game. You are actually incentivized to time your shouts when things are getting dicey or you understand that you're possibly about to take heavy damage

Which is actually a very good thing.

[fervent citrus]

thats like every ability in the game

you're naturally fucked if you just spam abilities

[hybrid plover]

It wasn't

[fair shale]

You used to be able to braindead VoC real hard

[mortal aspen]

not really

[hybrid plover]

Shout and pretty much all of zealots abilities were extremely spammable.

[mortal aspen]

quite a few abilities have effectively zero or next to zero CD

Exe stance for example

literally permanent

[fervent citrus]

anyway uh

[hybrid plover]

You could do like 3 shouts in five seconds with ease before the nerfs.

[fervent citrus]

what ability to use with the kaboom build...

[sharp epoch]

yup bubble and taunt

[fervent citrus]

maybe ive always used my abilities conservatively

[hybrid plover]

You shouldn't have back then at least.

Nowadays, that's changed.

And I'm honestly glad it has.

[sharp epoch]

shout and exe are interchangeable both just regen toughness for yourself

[fervent citrus]

ive always saved abilities for big crowds; squads of specials and bosses

[sharp epoch]

just use shout

exe you basically want to keep it on mostly always by chaining elites

[hybrid plover]

Think of it like this

Shout can rectify a shitty situation.

Exe stance can stop that shitty situation from occuring.

[fervent citrus]

i'll use shout so i can keep going on the fly

just sucks that im a little uncertain if the power sword's good for all these melee perks but i think im overthinking

[hybrid plover]

You are. Because power sword is completely busted with those melee nodes.

It may in fact by a contender for best melee weapon in the game

[sharp epoch]

power swords an okay weapon 🙂

[fervent citrus]

heres the tree i made

[fair shale]

Whats better?

[sharp epoch]

omg get back in the fight

[hybrid plover]

Debatably, force greatsword.

[sharp epoch]

you got a couple talent points that are not very impactful

[hybrid plover]

Fgs is nuts on the right setups.

[sharp epoch]

DS still for survivabillity too

and crusher killing

[fair shale]

I agree, but you don't need The Right Set Up for PS ime

It just

Does that

[fervent citrus]

like?

elaboration would be great

[sharp epoch]

get back in the fight, onslaught, marksman, and I would choose either serrated blade or field improv. then id put some points in the middle bottom to get ogryn 20% dmg

also superiority complex is a pretty good node you skipped

[fervent citrus]

OH MY GOD I FORGOT GRENADE TINKERER

[mortal aspen]

no demo team is pepega imo

no CDR either

[sharp epoch]

bro you forgot like tactical awareness and demo team

[fervent citrus]

dude im trying here man this is my first time dealing with the new tree

[mortal aspen]

i'm not flaming you or anything

[fervent citrus]

please cut me some slack, im currently trying to find superiority complex lmfao

[mortal aspen]

just pointing it out

[sharp epoch]

left of iron will in the middle basically

[fervent citrus]

oh

here's what i got now

[sharp epoch]

one last thing id swap is the red node on the right to reciprocity

with the cooldown nerf the 25% crit would be better

[fervent citrus]

other than that thats it?

[sharp epoch]

yeah its pretty solid

mine is a little different but you can pick talents you like if theyre not the core ones you need

this is what I use in havoc

[viscid sparrow]

unless you struggle to get more than 1 to 3 stacks consistently, of course...

oh, this is about havoc only, I assume?

[sharp epoch]

no

i think he plays auric

[fervent citrus]

ok meanwhile im gonna stab this game because it's decided to not save my new changes every time i go out of the talent menu

[sharp epoch]

oh that bug

[fervent citrus]

if you know how to deal with it i'd love to hear

ok it's gone

[crisp oak]

Restart game

[fervent citrus]

anyway, did they patch lethal proximity from working with grenades or waht

this is the masterpiece i have ready for the build if thats the case

[sharp epoch]

still works

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't use unyielding personally.

Bistol isn't really ideal for boss killing.

Probably want to get a melee that can cover that or use tinkered kraks.

[fervent citrus]

The only reason the bistol is here is for the sole sake of the boom

[fervent citrus]

Dont worry I have a min maxxed power sword

[hybrid plover]

True. But you also want it to deal with pesky specialists better.

[fervent citrus]

Its goal is to deal with specialists and reapers/bulwarks

The sword handles the rest

[hybrid plover]

Then ya want maniacs.

Trying to use unyielding to deal with bulwarks and reapers with bistol is kinda redundant with puncture and the fact that you already have bring it down.

You're never really gonna get consistent one shots on them particularly.

[lapis osprey]

what mark for recon lasgun H40?

[surreal rune]

xii or vic?

[hollow ibex]

VIc

Or XIV if you’re doing Deadshot memes

[surreal rune]

i want to like the xiv

its ammo economy is nice with deadshot

but

[calm shard]

but nothing

no notes

[hollow ibex]

It’s just kinda boring

[slow sky]

Deadshot still kinda nukes your stamina with any recon tho
Then you lose the crit

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok with the keystone stam sub node

[tame lodge]

True

Its fire rate is very

Monotone

[hollow ibex]

Yeah and very little feedback

Had the same issue with laspis MMF build

Strong but boring af

The IAGs in contrast feel ALIVE

[mortal aspen]

real

[surreal thicket]

does the power falchion feel terrible to anyone else?

[silver patrol]

yes

[hollow ibex]

Midchion is midchion

[surreal thicket]

yea i havnt played sense they updated the vet class and all of the weapons i usually use feel weird now

[tame lodge]

Power Midchion is very mid

[spark helm]

It can hang in aurics at the very least pretty easily. Not sure about anything higher but it doesn't exactly help that it might need a little bit more babysitting via talents to let feel a lot smoother. Beyond that, just good enough to get things done, but pretty timid presence when looked at with other options. A weapon like the power sword just already accomplishing the same principle of a melee weapon with empowered states that cleaves shit and bursts single targets down

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah it's poop from a butt

[hybrid plover]

Who wins

An intricately designed energy weapon

Or

Shovel

[compact oracle]

energy shovel

[hybrid plover]

Ayo?

[jaunty sphinx]

Let me attach a car battery to my shovel

[compact oracle]

its special ability lets you instantly dig a grave to bury your enemies in

[tall torrent]

don't think power falchion is intricately designed lol

[pulsar zephyr]

Sapper shovel my beloved

[heavy rover]

Power shovel? You have my attention

[sharp epoch]

whats better falchion or relic

[hybrid plover]

Relic

It's not even close on that one

[sharp epoch]

just cause its on zealot or something else

[hybrid plover]

Because relic can actually stagger things.

And isn't horrible unpowered.

[orchid hemlock]

Ur mom

[fair shale]

So like how bad is Falc exactly

Its obviously Not That Great™

But exactly how bad is it?

[rugged bane]

6/10 imo

[jaunty sphinx]

It's just really painfully mediocre and doesn't really have the answer to carapace that psword has and no stagger to make up for it, and it's mobility is also middling

[fair shale]

Side question, is it god awful at hordes or nah?

[jaunty sphinx]

It's like fine

[sharp epoch]

ive used it i prefer caxe to it

[fair shale]

Im permanently gonna associate it with the guy in my Havoc a day after it came out who asked us to protect him from poxwalkers after talking about how good it is

Ive never used it

[jaunty sphinx]

Shovel made me fall in love with vet again this thing has actual combos

[fair shale]

I love shovel tbh

Its one of my favorite vet melees, has been forever

Very Reliable

[hollow ibex]

does it tho

the "combos" are HHHHHHHHH or PAPAPPAAPAPA

[jaunty sphinx]

Single target is HLLS repeat but yeah horde clear is just hhhhhh

[tall torrent]

5/10
seriously underbaked
not agile enough to be called agile
has abysmal stagger breakpoints
average single target when activated
abysmal performance when not activated
mk1 has visual glitch with heavy2 atk (not related to frame gen)
mk2b shows character's not-fully-rendered arm with heavy2 atk

[hollow ibex]

mk1 ST is just PA spam wdym

[jaunty sphinx]

Oh push attack

That too

[fair shale]

Dude they really gotta do something about the arms

Arby has a metric fuckton of anims that show a void in your wrist

[tall torrent]

worst offender is still veteran's

[fair shale]

So basically what I'm getting is Falc is aggressively mediocre

[tall torrent]

it's not an issue of arms being not fully rendered (I get why it's done like that)

[hollow ibex]

it can be funny on some builds

but yeah it's pretty fucking mid

[tall torrent]

what I do not get is not hiding the optimization trick properly

[jaunty sphinx]

I guess I'm just doing it wrong with shovel

[fair shale]

Do you think its new anims being incompatible with current optimization practice?

[tall torrent]

underbaked & unfinished
most likely pushed out to fill a quota

[fair shale]

It seems so weird tbh

Falc felt like it was out of nowhere imo

[tall torrent]

promised a new vet weapon for 10 months just to release 2 underbaked weapon with stats barely thought through

[atomic void]

quick we need a new weapon for vet

[fair shale]

You referring to bomb bolter too?

[tall torrent]

oh all 4 are mid at best lol

but falchion is especially aggressively underbaked

[fair shale]

Tbh I think every new melee for vet is simply gonna get compared to PS(which is never gonna be healthy for them)

[hollow ibex]

at best is doing a lot of workh ere

[atomic void]

HE INSTALLED? DOOOMP IT

[tall torrent]

yea, it's a problem

power sword too good

[jaunty sphinx]

I mean yeah but like even removed from psword it's just not too great

[fair shale]

Bath were you here for the OGOG PS nerf?

[hollow ibex]

naaaaah

[tall torrent]

but even without comparing to power sword

falchion doesn't stack up well vs rashad

it doesn't add much to vet's melee arsenal

[fair shale]

You would've thought someone killed the family dog tbh

[tall torrent]

no

[fair shale]

I imagine that's why it's never been touched again

[tall torrent]

game ran at 30fps

[atomic void]

I did a game of rashad today on zealot and my god i remember why i dont use it anymore this shit is aggresively boring to use which is a shame because i love axes but they gave it the most boring moveset in the game

[fair shale]

Oh brother ik, I've been playing this fuck since beta lmfao

[tall torrent]

it is too good

[fair shale]

Took a year off approximately at y2 start

[jaunty sphinx]

The psword nerf meltdown was insane to watch

And it's still one of the best weapons in the game

[tall torrent]

the only other melee close to power sword in strength atm is FGS with SG + DD

[fair shale]

That motherfuckin sword used to get 7 charged swings

[hollow ibex]

vet deserves the love

[fair shale]

You had to gamble for it but like

[hollow ibex]

also rashad tho

[tall torrent]

I don't think power sword is hard to change either

just change sunder

[atomic void]

they overdid it

trve nuke!

[tall torrent]

axe somehow not the most boring moveset

both shovel and DS even more boring lolol

axe has sprint cancel for minmax

[fair shale]

Tbh I use more attacks with shovel than axe

[hollow ibex]

honestly i've gone back to brumentum

[atomic void]

ds is boredome incarnate

[hollow ibex]

over sunder

[atomic void]

shovel has novelty

[fair shale]

DS is the single most boring weapon in this game and I say that as a VT2 rapier saltz main

[hollow ibex]

brumentum just makes such a huge difference in horde clear

[tall torrent]

BM is not as hard to nerf compared to sunder

both ideally need changes

[hollow ibex]

it's fine

[tall torrent]

nah

neither is

just because psyker is ridiculously op doesn't mean these are somehow fine

[atomic void]

tbh at this point you'll have to change too many things people are used to and you will just anger people with radical changes

just make darktide 2

or verm 3

a little bit too late to make wide sweeping changes

[fair shale]

Fuck em

Change radically

[tall torrent]

no

we just had radical talent tree changes lol

[atomic void]

yeah and it was what the playerbase has been used to

MOAR POWAH

i just dont see them going "hmmmm yeah lets actually balance psyker and the outliers in each class"

[fair shale]

Do you also think Arby tree made something click for them?

[tall torrent]

yea basically
ogryn rework gen 2
arb release gen3
we're now looking at gen3 for vet, z and psyker

[fair shale]

The Arby style tree feels great I'm ngl

[tall torrent]

comparatively ogryn has prob the worst tree atm?

like ogryn's bottom right is just abysmal

[fair shale]

Ive heard people ranking Og or Zealot lowest on the totem pole lately so that wouldn't shock me

[tall torrent]

zealot is almost entirely because their class role atm is bipolar
ur either chorus boi or krak grenade roleplay

[atomic void]

its funny cause when ogryn dropped everyone was like WOOOOHHHAAAAA TOOO OP TOO STRONK

[tall torrent]

ogryn is slightly more complicated than that

ogryn is super stacked on bottom left & middle

there's no good melee/ranged hybrid setup for them

[fair shale]

I run bottom left for Branx, personally

And just use the Achlys HStub with it

[tall torrent]

and ogryn guns are generally at least 1 tier below their human counterparts

twin stubber basically just worse braced autogun

heavy stubber basically just worse vig auto / helbore

[fair shale]

Twin Stubber I think has the OG Recon problem but no presented solution. Its great for mulching hordes, but that's absolutely not what you want a gun for.

[tall torrent]

dps is ass (eats a ton of ammo for it too so ammo efficiency is ass)
spread (cannot be controlled) is ass which makes effective range meh
long draw & brace time except achlys
but achlys is full peashooter

[hollow ibex]

twink?

[fair shale]

Aye

[midnight citrus]

They give Ogryn crappy weapons??

[fair shale]

Ig this is why Rumblegryn is so popular

[tall torrent]

did u just realize that

[midnight citrus]

Fairly new to wh, only been reading for like a year

[fair shale]

Tbh I don't think Og was ever known for their guns

[tall torrent]

rumbler is also weird
I think it's a cool weapon for melee builds
but it's ridiculous for gun build

[hollow ibex]

i mean ogryn itself is strong

[fair shale]

Og was synonymous with BB

For a long time

[hollow ibex]

just some weapons aren't

[midnight citrus]

You’d think you’d give ogryn big gun. Big gun make ogryn happy

[tall torrent]

bigger doesn't mean better in 40k apparently

[fair shale]

Tbf it doesn't anyway

[safe jacinth]

heat dump stat

[fair shale]

You want smaller more portable ammo you can carry more of with better penetrators

But I digress

[midnight citrus]

True. Don’t extremely high ranking necrons have a wrist watch that can 1 shot anything basically

[tall torrent]

in lore no, ogryns get guns custom made for them and they're ok
in this game however ogryn guns are generally not as good as their human counterparts

[hollow ibex]

and then there's the rumbler

[tall torrent]

those stats are the "heat dumped" version

unless ur fully broke

[tall torrent]

rumbler on melee build I don't think is problematic

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean that's fine

[fair shale]

Rumbler on gambling builds is kinda annoying

[hollow ibex]

if by annoying you mean stupidly broken

yeah

[fair shale]

That is what I mean yes

Annoying to have in lobby with you because it trivializes content in the same way a good psyker does

[safe jacinth]

i mean i got like 400k dockets rn i just don’t wanna spend the time rerolling plasma guns

[hollow ibex]

while hoovering up every piece of ammo on the map

[fair shale]

Which in turn causes a resource sink that can cause a death spiral cause they're gambling

[tall torrent]

oh that's like nothing in getting plasma godroll lol

[fair shale]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

I spent 5M

[fair shale]

Thats what I mean by annoying

I got a 69/71 plasma the first one I bought iirc

Sometimes rng favors you

Sometimes it doesnt

[tall torrent]

I'm not bothered to roll another

1 is enough

[fair shale]

I consider it repentance for the literal like 75mil dockets I spent trying to godroll IAGs, don't give me that face

[hallow drift]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[fair shale]

Hey man, I quit this game over IAG rng

[hallow drift]

It’s my white whale

[fair shale]

I consider it an apology

[hallow drift]

wHY was the IAG so crucial lmao

[fair shale]

Back when Gacha guns existed MK1 Agri IAG was my favorite cause with a good roll it was like using a CS AK

Just one tapped a lot to the head

[hallow drift]

Ahh nice

Old gacha loot was somewhat merciful to me in my eviscerator grind

[fair shale]

Thing would pump out damage if you could one tap with it

I still cant believe someone thought the old loot system was gonna be a good method of player retainment

[hallow drift]

I never got Rampage 4 Savage Sweep 4 but I got Rampage and Momentum and actually really enjoyed how stupid tanky the latter made me back before skill trees

Nothing like fully consecrating a weapon just for the second perk to completely fucking ruin it

And that was only after you were lucky enough to find one with the correct stats and didn’t ruin it with ANY of the previous upgrades

[jaunty sphinx]

how do you even use the psword in havoc I feel like im walking through fucking molasses using this thing

[hallow drift]

click HEBY HEBY HEBY click HEBY HEBY HEBY

[fair shale]

You gotta get accustomed to powering up and swinging when you'd normally dodge, PS has a weird flow to it as compared to a lot of other melees imo

[jaunty sphinx]

I hate when the best options in a game feel like dogass

[hallow drift]

That’s psword baby pick up a SHOVEL

[red robin]

I have a bad habit of dodge sliding with psword

[hallow drift]

“Best option” It’s good but not nearly the best lol

[jaunty sphinx]

what do you think im using

[hollow ibex]

time your dodges, push way more than you normally would

[jaunty sphinx]

thank you

[fair shale]

Push like you're playing Arb

[misty minnow]

Charge push hard charge push light etc

[hallow drift]

Psword charged light are actually pretty devastating

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's mostly a light spam weapon

[hallow drift]

Puts the falchion’s on mode to shame but then goes to sleep

[jaunty sphinx]

ill give it another shot ig, I think I just hate the mobility

[hollow ibex]

the dodges are awful yeah

[fair shale]

I dont like the flow PS has

[hallow drift]

I still prefer the shovel/axes

[fair shale]

Feels off compared to a lot

[hallow drift]

Psword is thematically cool af but it’s gameplay is kinda yucky in both SM2 and Dorktide

Can always fall back on chain weapons to look cool and perform anywhere from “ok” to “incredibilis”

[safe jacinth]

i love how i just decided “maybe i’ll get lucky this time” only to lose all 400000 ordo on shitty plasma guns

why can’t it just have a dump stat like literally every weapon in the game

[jaunty sphinx]

whats the optimal stats? ive just been using an ammo dump one LOL

[calm shard]

@tired egret

[hallow drift]

Plasma has a stupid specific godroll but if you don’t care for playing the lottery you dump charge speed IIRC

[jaunty sphinx]

thanks

[safe jacinth]

68/69 on thermal, 71/72 on charge

[hallow drift]

It only makes the difference of like 1 extra shot right?

[safe jacinth]

its god stats are horrendous in terms of trying to get

[safe jacinth]

yea

[hallow drift]

Which in most non havoc games is not going to be what ends the run lmao

Shit the first time I used the plasma I didn’t know the special would vent the thing

User error is the real run ender

Never blew up because I don’t right click until my buddy did it and I went “HOLY SHIT I FORGOT YOU CAN PSYKER POP”

[hybrid plover]

Abandon power sword. Embrace sapper shovel.

[crisp oak]

so how much toughness should a vet build have?

currently got 209

could give up agile engagement for another 40

[jaunty sphinx]

I just wrote it off as a meme weapon for the longest time until I started actually using it recently

[crisp oak]

the sapper makes me feel good, but tbh need to figure out just hows much my horde clearm suffersd

[hollow ibex]

shovel buffs when

[hybrid plover]

Tbh, not much, especially with serrated

[jaunty sphinx]

I already have a plasma gun and kraks I'm fine on the carapace front

[crisp oak]

mainly comparing to the mk1

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 shovel?

[crisp oak]

yeah

has way less stagger on heavies right?

[hybrid plover]

Well I mean I use mk1 religiously anyway

[jaunty sphinx]

Use your special attack to stagger big uns

[hybrid plover]

I think they're all called sapper shovels technically

[crisp oak]

sappers are the folding ones arent they?

[hybrid plover]

Just that one is nonfold and two are fold.

Or am I wrong

[crisp oak]

thought mk 1 was munitorum standard

[hybrid plover]

Mk1

Oh wait it is munitorum standard

Never mind.

[crisp oak]

mk7/3 are the sappers

[hybrid plover]

The worse ones yes

[crisp oak]

but yeah trying to figure out how much worse the horde clear of the mk7 is compared to the mk1

with flakamaniacs I think one should be able to onetap ragers

don't think my current set up of carapace elite is worth

[hybrid plover]

Tbh I use Cara unyielding

[jaunty sphinx]

The sapper shovels are memes however

Not great

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah same

[crisp oak]

yeah the health buffs make me sad

[hybrid plover]

Because decimator when used right will start to do good enough damage to flak and maniac

[crisp oak]

should buff the special

I was running flakapace

on my mk1

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah you gotta not mindlessly spam and make sure you keep hitting targets

[hybrid plover]

Yeah unfortunately the sapper shovels just aren't really worth rn

[crisp oak]

for better performance into armored hordes

[hybrid plover]

At least imho

[hollow ibex]

mk3 is good

[crisp oak]

might be worth it into pink 40 ragers

I think thrust will still oneshot

[hybrid plover]

It will but uh

[crisp oak]

not worth the stuck animations

[hybrid plover]

It's an awkward setup admittedly.

[crisp oak]

or the less good horde clear

honestly they should let it onetap crushers again

[hybrid plover]

Mk1 is just applicable to any situation.

[crisp oak]

[hollow ibex]

the stick is pretty fast

[crisp oak]

I used to have a nice build that was just tag->onetap crusher

[hybrid plover]

Even bosses which it suffered against, isn't really that much of a weak point anymore because of serrated being so easily accessible now.

[hollow ibex]

with mk3 you can double tap crushers quite quickly still

[jaunty sphinx]

Serrated my beloved

Best change to the entire tree

[crisp oak]

same with mk7 tbh

one thrusted heavy and 2 lights is a dead crusher

with sererated

one thrusted heavy is also a dead rager

and anything else other than a bulwark and boss

[pseudo fiber]

playing db ws with the mk1 shovel is fun

[hybrid plover]

I literally do not run anything but that in havoc lol

[crisp oak]

my current build is vraks auto (aka columnus) and mk1

[jaunty sphinx]

db?

[hybrid plover]

It's a genuinely addictive playstyle that also gets insane results when used right.

Double barrel

[jaunty sphinx]

ah

[pseudo fiber]

using the holy push attack to put another bullet in the shotgun

[hybrid plover]

By far one of vet's top tier setups

[crisp oak]

play like its old darktide with my columnus and sapper shovel

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah that seems fun I'll give db a shot once I finish climbing, I just don't like using a node on passive reloads lol

[hybrid plover]

I couldn't call it meta though because it's not actually the easiest setup to use

[jaunty sphinx]

Ive been crutching off of running plasma

I like it, it's fun

[hybrid plover]

It does require some genuine finesse compared to something like plasma

[crisp oak]

anyways good to see the vraks can still onemag an auric crusher

[hybrid plover]

And really aggressive play

[crisp oak]

wish it could still kill 4

[jaunty sphinx]

What's the use case for the double barrel anyways

[pseudo fiber]

Tis pretty good

[jaunty sphinx]

Like what exactly does it bring to the table

[hybrid plover]

Horde clear the likes of purge staff if not better.

[jaunty sphinx]

Noted

[pseudo fiber]

about 400 million stacks of bleed

[hybrid plover]

While also still being able to take out priority targets because bleed.

Only weakness is carapace because it can't cleave through that

But thats why you run kraks.

[jaunty sphinx]

I love being a krak addict

Throwable dopamine

[hybrid plover]

And shovel since Cara perk and bring it down makes it do pretty good damage to crushers.

[jaunty sphinx]

I'll stick with plasma for now because holy fuck do randoms not know how to deal with specials

[hybrid plover]

You can deal with specials with it

[crisp oak]

swap to vraks iauto

join me in spray and pray

[hybrid plover]

If anything, unironically, it's kind of underrated in that regard

[narrow frost]

did you mean to put carapace on the gun?

[pseudo fiber]

oops

I did not

[hybrid plover]

Because it's also the one ranged weapon that will just nuke an incoming mutant

[jaunty sphinx]

I used it basically all of the games first two years I got sick of it

[crisp oak]

fair

I was a hellbore guy

[jaunty sphinx]

Oh I don't doubt it, believe me

But I'm also just kind of stupid sometimes and the plasma gun being broken helps alleviate that

[crisp oak]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a04c0e2a-54e1-4e12-8d18-a7dc48748ab8

my current build

[jaunty sphinx]

Plus I just like the way the plasma gun feels to shoot

[modern swallow]

I'm only level 18 on vet but I love the double barrel

I love turning the closest enemy to me into red mist with the ads fire

[jaunty sphinx]

It rules lol

[modern swallow]

I need to get a higher powered one tho

150 power ain't it bruh

[calm shard]

at max level it doesn't stop at the closest enemy it turns every enemy in the direction you pointed it to red mist

(except for carapace)

[hollow ibex]

and bosses

[modern swallow]

Excellent

[ember folio]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a03e04dd-879b-4a36-8f76-3356883abe36/vet-gun
is ainz recent vet solid

[calm shard]

yeah they live but like the bleed effect is kinda red mist?

[hollow ibex]

true....

[ember folio]

whoa

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[narrow frost]

mis click

one sec

[calm shard]

ainz lazy

misclick

didn't pay their editors

[narrow frost]

updated now

60% mob

[ember folio]

oh it is 60% mobility?

rip myt money

[narrow frost]

my bad

also, if you dont like the triple burst VA, you can try the single shot one, just use surgical instead of headhunter

[faint beacon]

You could also do the Agri IX

but I stress you do Surgical + DA instead

[hollow ibex]

HH on Agri's great still tho

[faint beacon]

I mean its alright

but you'll have more reliable Uptime from Surgical

[hollow ibex]

mostly good for shredding crushers

surgical just results in way lower crusher dps

[faint beacon]

Surgical more so is better for popping Specials/Elites as they come and go

Im not really using the Agri for carapace bursting even though its solid against it

[pulsar zephyr]

I wish vet had a flamer.

[faint beacon]

"Solidish"

.2 ADM which is I mean alright

[hollow ibex]

graia

[hollow ibex]

i meaaaaaan

[ember folio]

Does that build fall under Johnny Darktide

[wraith oar]

holy smokes

[hollow ibex]

rending and very high finesse does funny things to crushers yeah

[wraith lion]

Krieg if they were cool

[hybrid flame]

The fuck you mean if

[void dragon]

so....basically Kriegs? because basic Kriegs are cool and i'll take no other propaganda because its FAKE

[bleak oasis]

Not fond of their puttees

They're too small

And like it isn't holding in baggy trousers intended to shelter the soldier from trench conditions

[pulsar zephyr]

Anyone got a plasma gun build

[hybrid plover]

like tree or just the plasma gun perks and blessings?

[pulsar zephyr]

Blessings and perks, maybe some general tips

Maybe some node suggestions if you can think of any

[hybrid plover]

Flak + unarmored

Gets hot and rising heat

For node suggestions, admittedly there's not much really specific that plasma gun really needs

It works well on both Weapon Specialist and Focus Target

[bleak oasis]

General tips? It's the gun that lets you do all the things people expect a vet to be able to do.
You kill specialists and elites accurately and quickly.

[hybrid plover]

And I suppose MMF

But MMF's pathing is kinda not worth it to me for plasma gun in particular

[pulsar zephyr]

Thank you goblin

[silver patrol]

i wonder why people go with unarmoured

is this havoc tech

[bleak oasis]

Plasma also cleaves through hordes so if you see any specialist/elite getting marked, you can pretty much aim and shoot at it and it'll likely hit the mark.

[pulsar zephyr]

So it can one tap a mutant?

[hybrid plover]

Gunner breakpoints

and these pieces of shit

[bleak oasis]

Unarmored heads be a bitch

[silver patrol]

aren't those maniac

[hybrid plover]

No.

[silver patrol]

well the piece of shit

[bleak oasis]

Why couldn't the dregs all wear flak helmets smh

[hybrid plover]

Unarmored (for some reason)

[bleak oasis]

Dreg gunners unarmored, too iirc

The heads, I mean

[silver patrol]

isn't a dreg gunner headshot with the plasma gun already an instakill

[bleak oasis]

Yesn't.

[silver patrol]

actually what's their current hp in damnation

[bleak oasis]

Don't know.
But you'll occasionally need to do a follow up shot if you have no buff stacks, or there's a funni modifier screwing with their health

[jaunty sphinx]

would be the worst enemy in the game if the trapper didnt exist

[hollow ibex]

this is the reason why fatshart needs to stop cooking new enemies

[hybrid plover]

nah, trapper isn't the worst imho

it's mutants

[fair shale]

Nah its trapper

You can bait mutants into just tossing you most of the time ime

[austere mica]

I have definitely had times when I was praying for a mutant

[grand perch]

Both can demolish a lobby in the wrong situations

[jaunty sphinx]

mutants are just as bad acually yeah

mutants either do nothing or end your run

[hybrid plover]

in havoc?

every fucking toss is a bad situation

i've had mutants end runs more than any other specialist for me

it's actually part of why i love the double barrel so much

it's the one thing that i know will just nuke those bastards into the warp

[austere mica]

You also have shovel

So you can just hardstop them anyway

[hybrid plover]

Sometimes it's not very easy to hit the weakspot

And you have to, to stagger them.

[misty minnow]

Same concept of spray and pray but it's more like wack a mole in this case

[fair shale]

I mean if you can't dodge em it's better than instantly going down imo

If you cant dodge a trapper the alternative is a worse situation

[hybrid plover]

i've been mutanted into crusher overheads

mutanted while getting shot

mutanted while getting swung at to immediately die

trappers are annoying, but they're way easier to down before they become a problem

sometimes, there really is just nothing you can do about a mutant grabbing you

[misty minnow]

Rock

Lol

[hybrid plover]

the other two mutants be like

[fair shale]

I mean if youre open to other class solutions BtL go brrrt lmfao

[hybrid plover]

That's also why I like BtL so much

Mutant hard counters have all of my love

I will actually argue

[fair shale]

Foot Knight Kruber lives again

[hybrid plover]

BtL hard countering mutants actually makes it have more useful utility than Nuncio to me

[silver patrol]

unfortunately only the ending shockwave staggers mutants

[hybrid plover]

Like that single thing actively makes it better to me as a team oriented ability.

Because a good BtL Arby is so noticeable.

[hybrid plover]

True, but that's why I don't run the node to increase distance.

[silver patrol]

they should make it so the charge itself isn't grabbable

[hybrid plover]

Stops earlier, makes the shockwave more consistent.

[fair shale]

Tbh I think the node to increase distance can be better spent elsewhere

[silver patrol]

yeah imo it's a waste of a point

[hybrid plover]

I don't think it's very good either.

[silver patrol]

especially since btl hurtful always wants one or two talents it doesn't have points to get

[hollow ibex]

the range node on BTL is just fun

but yeah not very good

[fair shale]

Since we are all in agreeance, simply BtL the Mutant

[vestal arch]

What ability modifier you guys pick when choosing the Executioner Stance?

[hollow ibex]

ogryn or counterfire

[vestal arch]

that makes sense

I was following the recent video you posted, using it as a base for range-only build

this one

[hollow ibex]

yeah for ranged builds i think it's a tossup

between counterfire and ogryn

both are good

[vestal arch]

Oh I cant post my screenshot

[narrow frost]

Need red name

Just talk a bit more

[bleak oasis]

I prefer counterfire to ogryn because it means that exec stance refreshes even on trash mob shooters

[ornate ivy]

lots of melee w/ maniac perk hit one shot breakpoint if you hit weakspot

i like ogryn cause its up 3 seconds longer

[hybrid plover]

the major issue with that is being in melee because of how this game likes to prioritize enemy actions over yours

and any little bit of latency can suddenly make what should have been a kill you just getting grabbed instead

especially when you consider the pox gas buffed ones

[strong flame]

this is extremely satisfying

[umbral scaffold]

drip

i freaking love this helmet

[turbid ibex]

Helmet reminds me of an ncr ranger

[distant mural]

The one that gives you 8 seconds

Instead of 5

[umbral scaffold]

Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[turbid ibex]

Patrolling atoma almost makes you wish for an exterminatus

[umbral scaffold]

Patrolling atoma almost makes you wish for some arbites cosmetics

[heavy rover]

Patrolling atoma almost makes you wish for scion carapace set

[umbral scaffold]

Patrolling atoma almost makes you with you were still digging latrines for tempestus scions

[dapper coyote]

I JUST FINISHED A HAVOC BY MESELF,

BASTARDS LEFT ME

[tepid otter]

Lone Survivor achievement

[dapper coyote]

WITH SPITE I FINISHED THE MISSION

4 deaths, 1.7k kills, 35 mins

All deaths is bots

Thank fuck

Their existence made the mission ever so slightly easier

No way im finishing that raid with dreg gunner spam with pinky boys amidst them

KRALL, HADRON, PLAY THE IM STILL STANDING BY SGT ELTON JOHN THROUGH THE VOX CHANNEL.

PUT IT ON REPEAT.

https://youtu.be/WJLd7yI6LTo?si=b-spcr4eSLyB32E5

[tame lodge]

Hadron, play the recording of a dreadnought singing Lightbringer

Set volume to 222%

[crisp oak]

how bad would las weapons be without las trooper?

[dapper coyote]

No inf ammo, sadge

[crisp oak]

indeed

[turbid ibex]

Helbore and recon would suffer the most but recon i dont think would be bad

Laspistol would be fine

[crisp oak]

was considering running just a shittym ilas

or I'll keep my vraks

[turbid ibex]

Ilas is shitty by default

Shock trooper doesnt change much about that

[crisp oak]

trying to find something to replace my iauto

so I can replace onslaught with somethintg else

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a04cd487-e7f9-4e43-951f-c1b51dbddd0e

maybe something like this would work

but I lose all of my comfort toughness

🫃

[tame lodge]

Not as bad as it seems

Recon would probably feel worse

Helbore is pretty ammo neutral

Laspistol and iLas have ok ammo economy

[eternal pasture]

Guys, can someone tell me how to do the redemption on the veteran, the first one is to kill with a frag grenade without bouncing, and the second one is to complete the mission without taking damage.

[tame lodge]

And there's plenty of ammo on the maps

[crisp oak]

for the first one, throw a shredder frag across a bridge

for the second, commit suicide at the start of the map

[eternal pasture]

If I die, won't it be considered as taking damage?

[crisp oak]

nope

unless they fixed it in the past 3 months

but, do it with friends who are willing to carry you through a malice

[eternal pasture]

I tried to do it by throwing it across the bridge so that it would explode in the air, but it's probably impossible to kill anyone other than homeless people in this way.

[crisp oak]

no its possible

should be able to kill bruisers

expecially on lower difficulties

[eternal pasture]

I get it, I'll try it, there are 2 more atonements left to close the veteran and start the zealot

[eternal pasture]

Thanks a lot, buddy, for the glory of the emperor!

[jade flower]

could someone recommend me a build for the recon lasgun?

I'd take my own but I fear I'm dogshite at builds.

[spark helm]

Make one first I'd say. Allow yourself to actually think for yourself with your wants. You might not be too far off from something solid.

The strong builds can help put things into perspective, yes. But genuinely allow yourself to practice that

[red portal]

This is what I use I left one skill point open to flex.

I'm unsure if I used VIc or another mark

[jade flower]

thank you!

[spark helm]

Was also gonna ask, what way fo you want to play? Are you more interested in shooting your gun as liberally as you can?

[jade flower]

kinda yes

[red portal]

You might want to run 3x3 stamina for the build if you want to never stop shooting.

[spark helm]

Oh, yeah. What melee do you want to use with it?

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1397384963984457888/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.22_-_20.06.16.11.DVR.mp4?ex=690f40e9&is=690def69&hm=514579f927ae91548734942fc624346ee74b533e33ce96ce89f7213c0ed628c3&

bolt pistol+tinker for bigger radius to make it easier

[surreal rune]

there are some spots which are the easiest for the grenade penance

at the end of the mission with the special ammo, the door which holds enemy spawns is far enough way that

[sturdy crescent]

Train mission and Emperor's luck or team that gives you toughness (to not take dmg)

[surreal rune]

you may throw a grenade from far enough away, and it will explode without hitting the ground

[calm shard]

oh als ofor the "no damage taken" it means HEALTH damage

toughness damage is fine

[sturdy crescent]

The golden one

[calm shard]

either or

as long as your health stays full the whole mission it doesn't matter

[sturdy crescent]

Golden one providing you not taking health dmg

[surreal rune]

as on the penance for not taking health damage

shout helps

also blocking with your melee

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Please for the love of God don't take Deadshot or MF on the recon 💀

[calm shard]

Deadshot Mk XIV though

[umbral scaffold]

damn

[distant mural]

Actually not that bad

Pretty doable

[crimson wyvern]

holy shit does it feel like you turn into a slug with the chax

i forgor how oppressive that was

[crisp oak]

Yeah

Tried out chainsword with the new ease of sereated edge

Still not great

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok

[hollow ibex]

manstopper agri really is sooo satisfying

[thorn lark]

Mfg the captains are a fucking pain. I need a solution. Nobody has something to take care of the shield and it takes forever.

[tall torrent]

u kinda just hit it until it breaks

[crisp oak]

Chain weapons

And shock maul

[silver patrol]

any single target weapon

[hollow ibex]

just spam lights really

though chain weapons/smaul do shred shields pretty quickly

[thorn lark]

It's becoming a problem whenever there's 2 and a boss spawn and someone dies and then crushers

[pulsar zephyr]

Chainsaw rips through the shield

I love a boss you just have to hit till it dies

[fast shale]

Man playing feels feels great, there is soo much variety with weapon combinations wish I could say the same about zealot

Feels like every range weapon have to be flamer or bolter

[hollow ibex]

this is why i don't play zealot much

i like melee

but there's just way less variety

[bold sierra]

honestly, can anyone enlighten me on why people on here say "Hotshot" is great on MkIV helbore? I tested it in H40 psykanium and tbh, it can cleave through 2 21st Moebian grunts at best lol, if headshot that is, not accoutning for height differences

[tame lodge]

Because it got fixed

When it was bugged

Hotshot 1
Reduced mass by 80%

And applied to your melee

It got fixed

Fell off

Forgotten

[bold sierra]

ah, I see...but why MkIV specifically anyway??

[tame lodge]

Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game

[surreal rune]

it simply is a byproduct of the game design wherein those are the best ways of dealing with what one's melee couldnt

such as hordes of armor, or helping with bossing

[tame lodge]

With old hotshot giving it insane amount of cleave

[red robin]

Wish they just fixed the tiers and left it the same with its interaction with melee

Can’t have shit

[hollow ibex]

fatshart really hates letting vet have cleave lol

[red robin]

I liked it on dclaw to skip wrath/savage sweep

[surreal rune]

people want the self efficiency of being able to combat any situation on their own in some way

[hollow ibex]

all the other classes get way easier access to cleave options

[red robin]

Hoping December update has the next vet rework

[surreal rune]

why should veteran get it though?

[hollow ibex]

why not

it was a half-assed incomplete rework

as usual

[surreal rune]

its boring to simply have everything with no drawbacks

[hollow ibex]

that's not the issue with the vet tree

[red robin]

Pretty sure this was a tree revamp was a

But talent overhaul is planned I think

Idk

[surreal rune]

with their design philosophy, i see grenade choice as the lynchpin of a vet build

[hollow ibex]

yeah to begin with

pretty sure FS said that more work is needed on the vet tree

[red robin]

I get my sources from cryptic esoteric knowledge (Mister E)

Inb4 random mf shows up to direct his subjective tastes on darktide content creators

[bold sierra]

did they?

[hollow ibex]

might just be my copium

but that's what i recall

[red robin]

(Source: Trust me) apparently game testers talked about it, this current one is just tree pathing adjustments, while full scale rework is in the works and might possibly be in December patch if we cope hard enough

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/pera-algorand-algo-hopium-copium-gif-16765445473855345349

meanwhile psyker on its third fucking tree

vet on tree #1.5

[red robin]

Word of mouth from game testers > Mister E > my brainwashed empty skull

[red robin]

Remember the time when vet didn’t have keystones

That was truly the trenches of vet gameplay

[hollow ibex]

yep

[surreal rune]

oh fuck the class reveal comes out 4 days from now

[hollow ibex]

vet was the last to get keystones

last to get a proper rework too

[red robin]

Any idea what new class could be?

[hollow ibex]

while psyker gets not one but TWO reworks in the same time

[red robin]

I saw data mines long ago of something called broker I think

Pls don’t be hive ganger

[hollow ibex]

60% of my money ($0) is on ganger or bounty hunter class of some sort
40% of my money ($0) is on techpriest-adjacent class of some sort

[red robin]

10% of my bet is going sister of battle

But literally steps on the shoes of zealot

[spark helm]

Zealots most days can barely tie their shoelaces so np

[bold sierra]

legit I hope the skill tree is reworked more, i want them to add something that REALLY benefit chainswords

[hollow ibex]

Make serrated blade proc on every rev tick of chain weapons

I unironically think that’s a good move

[bold sierra]

lowkey remember chain weapons were bugged like that ages ago, at least for the green chainsword's push-follow lol

[red robin]

Hoping there’s an explosion radius talent that isn’t exclusive to grenades

[sleek horizon]

Pre class overhaul I thought Vet was top tier. Hellbore lasgun was monstrous. Deleting crushers left and right.

[red robin]

I need the massive aoe mk 6 bolt pistol with lethal proximity

[bold sierra]

in general tho, i wish chain weapons are reworked so that EVERY rev tick counts as individual hits

would be amazing

and ofc, + uncanny strike would be goated

[tame lodge]

Uh

Chain weapons don't have uncanny

[red robin]

Wish there was something akin to uncanny as a talent that didn’t render majority of the weapons carapace gated

[bold sierra]

yeah...thats why I said + uncanny strike, yknow...to add it?

like they added thrust and shit to DS

[silver patrol]

true, add uncanny to every weapon

[surreal rune]

ganger or bounty hunter and admech

[tame lodge]

But why
Chain weapons aren't really struggling

You know what

Fuck it

[bold sierra]

EHHHHH every weapon is a bit much, I feel like that'd make things very boring.

[tame lodge]

Add uncanny to chain weapons

[surreal rune]

my bet is on admech because i dont see how a ganger or bounty hunter could be unique within the game's roster

[tame lodge]

Just to see what we already know

[red robin]

True

[silver patrol]

ganger would be pretty unique

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jo-jo-gang-beat-up-anime-kick-gif-17369990

[bold sierra]

wouldnt mind Thunderous for chainsword

[red robin]

Praying this is a ganger talent or ability

[silver patrol]

so true

[red robin]

Jump this bloke in particular

[bold sierra]

tho, if Chain weapon is to be reworked so that every rev tick counts as hits....Onslaught would be goated for them.

[silver patrol]

that's silly

serrated blade would max bleed immediately

[red robin]

Take his air nurgles brand shoes

[tame lodge]

Now that would be ok

[red robin]

Yoink dem mauler yeezys

[tame lodge]

Because Bloodletter Thunderous shenanigans

[tall torrent]

my guess is an agent under shipmistress brahms

[tame lodge]

Ah yes

Diplomat

[red robin]

The three abilities are gaslight, gatekeep and girlboss/malewife

[bold sierra]

I mean, given the way its rev special works, yknow, being stuck for 2-3s, it's really not a bad trade-off. Plus, Bloodletter basically max bleeds anyway so it aint too far-fetched, plus...it's only like what, 5 rev ticks? That's only 5 Onslaught stacks anyway.

[silver patrol]

how about nerfing chain weapons to irrelevancy

how about that

[bold sierra]

how about dn

[silver patrol]

total chain annihilation

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/bold-why-brave-gif-18100499

[tame lodge]

So basically
If you have thunderous Bloodletter
You don't need all of that

Wow nice way of nothing ever happening

💀

[red robin]

I wouldn’t mind if chain weapons had baked in special brittleness application

[tall torrent]

hive ganger doesn't differentiate that much from veteran
xenos mercenary also very unlikely

[tame lodge]

I'd be happy with xenos weaponry

[silver patrol]

why wouldn't hive ganger not differentiate itself much from veteran

[tame lodge]

[red robin]

Kerillian 2: Electric Boogaloo

[silver patrol]

are you stopping at the fact both figures shoot a gun

[tame lodge]

Stop at they breath air

[serene bough]

Uncanny needs to recieve nerfs so badly lol

[void dragon]

What if the active rev hit counted as 2 hits?

[bold sierra]

I guess? But you'd lose out on Rampage, Wrath, Shred or whatever yknow, give or take

[silver patrol]

what if the active rev stopped you for 10 years

[serene bough]

Its incredible how uncanny just allows you to ignore armor as a mechanic and simultaneously applies to bleed

[void dragon]

You would kill the crusher faster than with DClaw still

[silver patrol]

to any dot really

[tame lodge]

What if the rev worked like heat mechanics

[tall torrent]

outside of doing drugs they're just not as strong?

[void dragon]

Tbh I was kinda serious, why the rev hits don't count as 2 hits? One at the start and one at the end

[serene bough]

Id rather for the csword activation it just switched the moveset

[silver patrol]

they use much more unconventional weaponry

[bleak tendon]

OMNISAIAH GRANT ME SKITARRI CLASS, AND MY LIFE, IS YOURS

[silver patrol]

which if anything, is why fatshark is not adding them

[serene bough]

Unrev vs horde and Rev vs single target, for example

[void dragon]

ObeseFish about to knock your door to collect his property

[crisp oak]

Theyre done doing drugs for good

Theyre doing them for evil

[serene bough]

Chaxe can keep the massive 1 hit rev dmg and csword can swap between movesets

[void dragon]

I feel that sounds interesting, but I was thinking that for the folding shovels, would be interesting seeing that on the chswords

[serene bough]

Well shovel has 3 marks you could do for 1 of the marks

Standard shovel stagger poke, one mk does standard 1 hit high dmg, last mark does moveset swap

And between the two cswords the marks just decide whether or not single target vs horde moveset is for unrev vs rev

[red robin]

Ngl heat chain weapon would be cool

Perhaps could be used as a mechanic for the two-handed chainaxe that I think was in files long ago

Would be cool if it had infernus type of blessing of adding 1-6 stacks of fire dot across stages of heat

Very goofy and unrealistic arcadey fantasy of a overheated weapon igniting people, but a man can dream

[surreal rune]

isnt there a type of power weapon which

burns its targets

[red robin]

Idk anything man

[spark helm]

Whatever is being used in plasma tech is already just burning holes into things fr.

Power sword is sparking with whatever that is. Wreathed in electrons.

[red robin]

Ngl kinda wish there was more accessible dot past bleed

[surreal rune]

we have blaze.. soulblaze

[red robin]

Like I can only think of infernus being like 1 way

Accessible to vet would be neat also

[tame lodge]

Ngl I think dots are overrated

[red robin]

Erm, I like adding more things on my screen to fry my cpu

[tame lodge]

Also Heavy Stubber has Infernus on the code
Which is pretty funny to consider

[surreal rune]

i do hope that with an admech class, we get a plasma pistol

[tame lodge]

You'd think the twinks would have Infernus

Because brrrrrr

[hollow ibex]

las heavy stubber???

[tame lodge]

Silly, Ogryn will never have lasers

[void dragon]

Nah, just boolets that are very hot

[red robin]

Kinda wish there was a poison dot type of weapon

[tall torrent]

yea but not obv as good as imperial guard's stuff

[surreal rune]

hagsbane from vermintide?

[tame lodge]

Took what
2 years for them to add shock

Maybe poison in another 2

[red robin]

Idk, I kinda miss pd2 of seeing tasers and cloakers reeling and stumbling from toxins

https://tenor.com/view/tpb-fall-stumble-whoops-drunk-gif-10248569

Oh man I forgot shock mauls apply dot

[surreal rune]

would poison be any effective towards nurgle enemies?

[red robin]

Good point

I was thinking like a neurotoxin type of war crime thingy

[surreal rune]

i wouldnt think that they have much of their functioning capillaries anymore

[red robin]

Maybe it could be dish detergent

[sturdy crescent]

Do i understand it right???

[surreal rune]

unless poison now becomes a specific thing which must be applied to their weakspots

i.e. head

literally forcefully injecting it

doesnt even need to circulate through their body

[red robin]

What is bro tryna figure out

[tame lodge]

410 +3 stamina

[surreal rune]

that is a working +3 stam

[red robin]

What does sub 400 imply for +3 stamina?

[sturdy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/strelok-stalker-strelok-stalker-money-gold-rain-gif-4185213194852263859

[surreal rune]

not a real +3 stam

[red robin]

Damn

[surreal rune]

it only gives 2 stam

[red robin]

The ersatz +3

[surreal rune]

something about how darktide calculates power score and its rounding vs how it is displayed

[sturdy crescent]

Im so happy rn

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-gif-696604303596555012

[tame lodge]

Is that

Stalker

💀

😭

[red robin]

Man

Anyone play the super modded stalker games?

I see vids of it and it looks wild

[sturdy crescent]

mods ew

vanila fun or nothin

[red robin]

I refuse to be judged on the way I interact with the game I paid for

Also, ain’t nothing wrong with exploring something new and refreshing after you play the base game after a million times

[compact oracle]

no joy like installing 300 mods for a game and spending hours figuring out which ones are incompatible and which ones just don't work anymore

[sturdy crescent]

this

[red robin]

My autism rewired me to have a lot of fun with this

[compact oracle]

thats not sarcasm

mods are great content extensions and depending on the game people put a ton of work into them

[sturdy crescent]

ofc its not its reality of every moded game

[compact oracle]

they're great displays of what people can do when given a good base to build up off

[red robin]

I love obsessing over carefully curating my game experience of (play for 2 minutes, crash, get burned out troubleshooting, do something else)

[sturdy crescent]

I enjoy vanilla every game i have

[compact oracle]

obviously a game should be fun vanilla

[red robin]

Gmod spoiled me

[compact oracle]

mods are what you get when you've played the game 200 times and you want to squeeze more fun out of it

its novel

[sturdy crescent]

yeah

thats fair

[compact oracle]

there are a ton of bad mods but you could just. not install those. many are legitimate expansions on their base games