veteran-class

[compact oracle]

a lot of people wanted it and

[void dragon]

Why turn on falchion if funny axe performs better without managing a heat bar?

[silver patrol]

or duelling sword i suppose

[tall torrent]

This is where the mislead happens because zealot has a dodge distance of 2.5m and psyker has a dodge distance of 2m

Since neither RB nor FGS have dodge template override they’ll use class’ base dodge distance, resulting in 2.15m for RB and 1.86m for FGS

[void dragon]

Dsword doesn't have good wave clear

[silver patrol]

it's passable enough

[sudden cedar]

Does not matter when you have Shredder Frags

[tall torrent]

Slightly higher single target dps when activated
Significantly worse normal attacks
Significantly worse stagger breakpoints

[compact oracle]

piss

then why does relic feel so gross to me...

[void dragon]

Is there other weapon with dodge override like the evil toothpick? Knife has it?

[tall torrent]

Placebo

Power sword is 2.2m dodge with 80% mobility roll lol

[compact oracle]

no

it must be the game thats wrong

[void dragon]

On average it's performance is below that of a rashad in a long run

[tame lodge]

While that is true

The classes have a way to ignore that

Frags
Flamer
Anything psyker

[tall torrent]

Tac axe
Knife

[tame lodge]

Truly a Fatshark moment

[tall torrent]

Sure lol

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/skinner-out-of-touch-simpsons-gif-4964887

Yeah it's just
Ugh

[void dragon]

So Taxe is not only great due its push attack combo having great values of stagger, it also has improved dodges? No wonder you call this thing a budget weapon that performs

[tame lodge]

If Midchion at least had better blessings

[void dragon]

In my defense, I tried to use it only to be disappointed

[compact oracle]

what would you give falchion

[turbid ibex]

Burger

[distant mural]

It was fun cause it was new

[void dragon]

Better damage

[tall torrent]

I personally don’t think the dodge template override should be that high

[silver patrol]

yeah it's basically a knife

[distant mural]

But then we all realised its ass

[void dragon]

What are the actual numbers? How much is it cheating?

[tropic notch]

Most underrated weapon

Love tac axe

[silver patrol]

imo it's underrated because it doesn't feel satistfying to use

[tropic notch]

Now that vet has 10 base crit (lol) i love it more

[silver patrol]

it's like you are swinging a dead fish

but it's pretty great

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

I'd give it a better Strength blessing
It probably wouldn't fix its shortcomings but at least it would have good strength blessing

[void dragon]

Until you push attack your wat to survive a rager army and then you survive because the Taxe believes in you when you don't believe in it's superiority

[tropic notch]

I think sunder would improve it

[spark helm]

It'll likely happen. Live service games are an eternal loop of changes and all that. I still use it and haven't ignored everything about it.

I also just try to push every tool as far as possible. Unless something is absolute misery to use, even after my best efforts and changes to a build to promote it without losing efficiency elsewhere and getting familiar with what that play can look like, I'm using it.

This is a reason why I refuse to use the Antax combat axe for example. I did my time with it, tried what I could with my skills and it just wasn't enough. Into the void till I reach back in if it's passable.

[silver patrol]

i mean i think its feels unsatistfying but also when i swing it stuff actually dies

there is some kind of disconnect

[tame lodge]

Sunder would be too good

And also

Weird

[silver patrol]

ah that's the word i couldn't remember

[tall torrent]

Veteran & zealot 2.5m
Psyker & arbites 2m
Tac axe & duelling sword 2.75m
Knife 3m
Ogryn 3m

All +/-% dodge distance scale based on those

[silver patrol]

the tacaxe is not flashy at all

[void dragon]

It's that it doesn't have impressive damage or cleave without Bromentum, but it's stagger can knock ragers off their combos so that's impressive

[tropic notch]

What about ds mk5

[tall torrent]

It scales from 2.75m

[tropic notch]

Guh

[spark helm]

I guess it's unsatisfying when someone isn't fiending for every headshot they can possibly hit. It's not too dissimilar from the logic of becoming good with the rapier in vt2 before becoming great with it.

[tall torrent]

And gets like +15%?

[tropic notch]

Evil

[tall torrent]

So 3.1625m

[void dragon]

That's the evil toothpick for you

[tropic notch]

I wonder what it’s like with ij

[silver patrol]

i think the animations are just lacking

[tropic notch]

Zealot space program

[tame lodge]

Knife override is 3 meters? I thought it was 2.75

Aw damnit

[silver patrol]

also you swing it so fast half of the time you won't even see them

[tall torrent]

Yea same as Ogryn’s base

[tame lodge]

Ogryn tier dodges but with lingering

[void dragon]

But at least every ogryn weapon has negative values, except rock, rock cares for us

[jaunty sphinx]

shovel

[tropic notch]

Isn’t Arby crusher the worst dodge in the game?

[tall torrent]

Well no cuz knife gets +% dodge distance
Every single ogryn weapon is -% dodge distance

[void dragon]

We carry big guns, they heavy

Otherwise ogryn would fly like ball-er-ena

[tall torrent]

No, arb shield&maul

[tropic notch]

Guh

[tropic notch]

What is it

[unreal nova]

Even if you dump power output lul.

[spark helm]

I can see them pretty well but my focus is elsewhere when I use weapons like the tactical axe, duelling sword and combat blade.

Actually, a better vt2 comparison would be the dual daggers but darktide isn't as anal about weakspot consistency in melee for those kinds of weapons compared to tactical axe and combat blade play. There's a huge difference in how vt2 would reward actually having a consistently high headshot count with those weapons because you straight up needed to do it as your baseline to edge out that extra bit needed to not slog through hordes or flounder when managing a horde with mixed enemies in it.

[compact oracle]

my smaul has a -17% but i have yet to fully empower it

[tall torrent]

It’s like 1.7m smth

[tropic notch]

What are you dodging with that lol

[void dragon]

Don't need to dodge when shield is staggering everything

[unreal nova]

Crushers because no choice?

[void dragon]

Cc machine, the weapon

[silver patrol]

i can't imagine arbites crusher without street smart

[tall torrent]

It’s a shield weapon

[unreal nova]

Cos pistol and shield is only slightly better.

[tame lodge]

Doesn't really change much

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

+1 dodge is fine

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[tame lodge]

0.25 linger is whatever

[void dragon]

Shields mobility is quite bad, ogryn can tell

[tame lodge]

Can't believe they gave Arby's a worse Psyker's Anticipation

[silver patrol]

it kinda is uh

[void dragon]

Can't believe they didn't gave something like it to zealot

[tame lodge]

Zealot doesn't really need it

[tall torrent]

It just is

[tame lodge]

[silver patrol]

i still really like it on arbites

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s anticipation is +0.1s dodge linger
Arb’s street smarts is +0.05s dodge linger

[tame lodge]

It's not great not terrible
Definitely would pick it if I were to play brauto on Arby's

[silver patrol]

what's that

[void dragon]

Makes sense...when psyker was made of hollow bones and wishes to staying alive

[tropic notch]

Supposed to be

[tame lodge]

Braced Autoguns, they have like 2 dodges
A +1 definitely helps

[unreal nova]

Does this even do much lul.

[tame lodge]

[azure narwhal]

street smarts also gets you to monstrosity hunter tbf

[tropic notch]

Psyker is tanky now

[void dragon]

ObeseFish: nu-UH They should be busted beyond human understanding of the warp

[surreal rune]

is it worth it to take a health curio with health nodes on psyker?

[silver patrol]

can't believe psyker has a talent that gives 10% DR no strings attached

[tropic notch]

I don’t think I do

[tall torrent]

Street smarts gets u dodge linger equal to vet/z
Anticipation gets u 0.05s more dodge linger than vet/z

[frigid shuttle]

People gaslit you Psword, FGS and ASM, especially if you blockcancel/macro all are less clunky than rb

[tall torrent]

1 HP curio is nice for vet/psyker

Don’t think u need it on other classes tho

[unreal nova]

I mean in serious gameplay. Like the +1 dodge is nice.

[frigid shuttle]

rb mk10 has the advantage of having an easy moveset

[tall torrent]

Yea it is nice but it’s not required like ever

[silver patrol]

slamming your face on L for all your horde needs is always nice

[tall torrent]

There’s no mk8 RB
And FGS might as well not have a moveset

[tame lodge]

Truest true to ever truthed

[frigid shuttle]

nah, mk6 you have to press a combination of buttons

[tame lodge]

Just stop dodging for 0.85secs

[frigid shuttle]

for optimal dps

[tame lodge]

Get all your dodges back

[frigid shuttle]

impossible,

must dodge

overhead

[void dragon]

A forbidden technique is to hold block for hat time so bad guys don't stab you while you do that

[tall torrent]

Did they change mk6 FGS swap cancel combo

[azure narwhal]

mk6 is pretty simple once you got the hang of it, the horizontal heavies are great for mixed hordes, and uppercuts + fotf make for easy damage

[tall torrent]

I only remember the mk8 FGS swap cancel combo

Being highest horde clear on that sword

[umbral granite]

Haven't played Darktide in a hot minute, came back and all my skill trees were reset, and there was a new bolt pistol variant. I slapped this build together based off what I remember being good when I last played. Played a couple games of quick-play and it seems solid.

thoughts?

[spark helm]

Are there any other benefits to perfect block without things that are meant to benefit it?

[tall torrent]

Missing a lot of damage in there

[spark helm]

Apparently it was always a thing according to someone that mentioned it but idr and never verified what they said.

Like a thing but inert.

[void dragon]

New Bistol bad, new bolter good, take skirmisher now, it's legit peak

[tall torrent]

No, it’s a condition used to activate things
Doesn’t do anything innately

It’s like an if(condition) thing

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[frigid shuttle]

this is what I use for melee vet

you can bring a different aura if there's another vet

[spark helm]

Mhm. I remember just doing it by habits from vt2 and just playing any game where a frame perfect block and/or parry do something.

[tame lodge]

Pretty sure it is still the same

No real changes to FGS recently

[tall torrent]

DT’s perfect block is fairly generous at 0.3s

[spark helm]

Mhm. Frame perfects vary in terms of difficulty.

[tall torrent]

Ok then still no real moveset XD

I’m not calling swap 2x + light 2x a moveset

[tame lodge]

No precision strikes, bad build

[spark helm]

Just guards in fighting games come to mind.

[tame lodge]

🫡

[spark helm]

Or in the reverse with frame perfect attacks in fighting games, the range of difficulty changes from iteration of move to the next

[jade flower]

What weapons do you use for "melee vet"?

[frigid shuttle]

psword

[tall torrent]

0.3s is equivalent to 18f in 60fps
Which is a really generous time window for fighting games tbh

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent should I take off precision strikes for bring it down?

[spark helm]

Yeah. Fgs are usually way way tighter with that.

[void dragon]

Psword is the best weapon in game
Knife, Taxe, rashad, mk12 chain axe and OG shovel all perfor decent enough to be good imo

[tall torrent]

Honestly u could drop 25 TGH (right) and O4B for 25 TGH + BiD in the middle

[surreal rune]

i think you could remove born leader and rending strikes for precision strikes on the left side

[tropic notch]

Yeah I thought about that

[spark helm]

I don't play tekken that deeply compared to peers but stuff like...I wanna say Kazuya's electric god win fist has like two frame perfect versions of itself in whatever tekken with some added wild shit when considering the game's movement execution possibilities

And they're tight as hell to pull off.

[surreal rune]

i think out for blood and one motion would be better for a weapon specialist build than covering fire and confirmed kill

[unreal nova]

Depends on weapon. Knoife and Bistol really don't need one motion unless you 'nade build.

[surreal rune]

yes but out for blood gets a lot of toughness replenishment

[umbral granite]

I am currently using Psword and Bistol because I wanted to try the new Bistol variant, and mk6 Psword was funny when I last played

[surreal rune]

as the power sword can just cleave through hordes and mixed hordes

[umbral granite]

It also used to have a combo that insta-killed crushers when I last played... sadly that's no longer the case

[tall torrent]

O4B is overall not as good as CK

[tall torrent]

Still does but takes 2-3 hits

[umbral granite]

I mean back when you could kill an entire stack of crushers with the same combo because bromentum ignored hit-mass

[tall torrent]

BM got nerfed for that

[umbral granite]

Understandably so, I was just mentioning that to get accross how long it's been since I last played

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's like 2023 or something

Welcome back I guess

[unreal nova]

Personally, I tend to take the reload speed unless full 'nade build.

[umbral granite]

GF started playing because she wanted to play the Arbites (because dog)

decided that I might as well come back

[void dragon]

Dog is good, give lots of petting per enemy they eat

[umbral granite]

So... why exactly is the new bolt pistol bad...?

Again, havent played In a while

[sudden cedar]

Because it is not superior over the old bolt pistol

Probably.

[tall torrent]

No cleave, worse damage, less ammo

[void dragon]

Is not terrible as it can be used more of an utility gun on other classes like zealot, but it's lower ammo capacity and even more reliance on headshots to confirm kills make it perform less than the og one in terms of killing specials and gunners, it will cause some decent cc but you don't use the Bistol for that.

Alternatively the Bolter has similar issues of damage/ammo but it's better aoe, more manageable hip fire precision and that it can work like a flamer hybrid that can bully hybrid hordes whilestill snipe make it perform much better

[tall torrent]

Utility is gone since stagger bug got fixed

[umbral granite]

Honestly did not notice the lack of cleave...

[void dragon]

Nah, it still works, but there is a reason why I say it bad

It will not open bulwarks like it used to do

[tall torrent]

What’s the utility it has over the other variant

[void dragon]

Move forward while staggering gunner armies and infusing bleed on zealot knifes

[tall torrent]

So the exact same thing the other variant did

Just with less damage, no cleave and less ammo

[void dragon]

Basically, just with more aoe since the damage of Bistol on zealot wasn't that impressive anyway

[tall torrent]

Yea but the AoE isn’t even good

[void dragon]

AGAIN, I'm saying gun BAD

Seriously idk why the aoe damage is so low if it has no cleave

On top of less ammo

[tall torrent]

Cuz FS doesn’t want more high AoE clear ranged weapons

[void dragon]

Hey Purgatus staff! Still not nerfed? We were talking about you

[tall torrent]

Emphasis on “more”

[void dragon]

We could do with less tbh

[tall torrent]

Yea

[umbral granite]

Haven't tried the new bolter yet... I remember using the og bolter as a DMR with an "Oh crap" button for surprise heavies/monsters... not sure if theres a better weapon for that niche these days.

[tall torrent]

New boltgun is ok but overall not as good as the old variant

All 4 new weapons they released are mid at best

At least they actually buffed some weapons into being good

[mystic oak]

There's a new boltgun?

[spark helm]

I'd say that it's not a total wash of weapon barring any hard limits it has for its output at higher difficulties beyond aurics. That doesn't mean that difficulty is the sole metric to measure a weapon's case uses, but that the longevity of a weapon's output will be realized through those challenges.

By a blind side-by-side, it's just straight up not putting up some of the same upfront attractive points that the original mark has for things like damage and ammo reserves which do matter for builds meant to promote more liberal use of it.

What it can actually do though on the ground in my experience isn't something I'd say that's so miserable that it can't be useful. The main issue that I'd say it has because its output can be meager is basically running damn near only one blessing combo to let its purpose as a stagger tool to be much better. It can still drop weak specialists and weaker elites with alright speed at the rate things can come out in aurics at the very least and in situations with mixed hordes and good execution from the player you can use it as a tool to leverage time needed to just flip a rush of enemies you'd already want to shoot directly or smack with something to get screwed over. In grenade heavy builds taking voc with the mark you're just building your veteran to have a playstyle centered around bullying hordes. That's probably the best case use I've had for it.

Against monstrosities and bosses and large crowds of crushers is where it's weaknesses really begin to show. A veteran can always use other melee weapons and grenades for example to compensate for that but at the highest levels, being able to cover those kinds of enemies with greater efficiency is invaluable because of the sheer consistency of dangerous vip and nasty havoc modifiers.

[void dragon]

New bolter act like a precision grenade that can act like a flamer Vs mixed hordes, I feel it's really solid gun

[frank basin]

New boltgun are trash clearning, i can use to play as demolition build

[tall torrent]

If new boltgun had 15r mag instead of 12r I think I’d like it more

[frank basin]

We be rely on lock and load anyway

I means people*

[void dragon]

Yeah, there is no real trade when losing ammo, idk why it has to be when we lost cleave for aoe

[umbral granite]

Currently, for the Bistol, I am running Lethal Proximity and Puncture... though I see it can rock surgical with deadly accurate...

[spark helm]

For the new mark or original mark?

[umbral granite]

just swapped back to the OG mark, but I was running it on the new mark when I was trying it out

[spark helm]

Mmh. I'd say that when I tried slotting it as a marksman tool it was not as great as something like lethal proximity and pinning fire. It unfortunately doesn't have enough for the scope that BP is meant for for now. Maybe try that with a solid melee weapon and some voc ws antics sometime if you care for it. Best experience in my book up to aurics. Can't speak for havoc because I'm still climbing it and I'm more focused on being familiar with already commonly used weapons there first before learning havoc with less used gear and builds.

[umbral granite]

Only games of havoc I've played have been with my dome-spamming trauma staff psyker.

or, i guess "Voidblast" staff psyker, as they changed the staff's name

[spark helm]

If you want more variety in terms of what you're able to play around with, the original mark can definitely pull it off. It'll still share similar issues as the new mark since BP can run out of steam in shooter-friendly builds due to the low reserves. This can easily remedied with ammo goblin behavior, better grenade habits and more purposeful use of abilities in my experience and opinion, but if your patience doesn't make room for the BP being strained, np.

It can put in solid work with things like left tree builds taking exestance but I couldn't get away with shooting up the entire hab block with it. Carrying an ammo crate, juicing with stimms a little more regularly, etc help a lot. Same with ws and ft.

Plenty don't like talking about infiltrate much but it can still put up value in that department especially when scooping bottom right talents like any other build getting better with ws. But the difference in performance is very noticeable compared to left tree if you want to treat it like a revolver.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[midnight wyvern]

it still makes perfect sense

the name change causes trauma to those that have to explain they mean voidblast when they say trauma

[mortal aspen]

conflag

[midnight wyvern]

gib

[distant mural]

Try surgical and puncture on bistol and bolter

That what i use usually

[steep flower]

Oh yeah bath; does the explosion from new boltgun apply brittle when shattering impact is used?

[tall torrent]

Idk

[steep flower]

Once i come back hone then i’ll test it

[hollow ibex]

nope

[broken reef]

i got bored enough to actually look at class iconics in the character creation screen but is veteran actually the only human sized character to be able to peek over cover?

[hollow ibex]

1000+ hours i have never used that feature in an actual game lol

[gilded wraith]

The manner in which I have crouch bound would make it annoying.

[thorn lark]

if you think of the new bolter as a grenade launcher it's better

[calm shard]

yeah

it's useful if you ignore that melee enemies exist

[tall torrent]

Yes

[spark helm]

Flavor reasons. Marginal case usefulness at best.

Most people use cover as a passing thing to stall around before dodging to the next one so it's not exactly as useful as it could be but it doesn't really need to be a problem thing imo.

It's just there, is whatever.

[broken reef]

why is this veteran only is what im wondering

[spark helm]

Soldier flavor.

[silver patrol]

because you need to be a veteran of the imperial army to know how to take cover

[spark helm]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[silver patrol]

it's very complicated

[broken reef]

screw psyker n the others, did the arbites not get any soldiering training?

[silver patrol]

technically a policeman

[spark helm]

Soldiers are actually trained on utilizing cover for engagements so...yeah.

It's fleeting aside for an otherwise whatever thing. And even if other classes got access to it, I don't really think that that would make it a more attractive mechanic. But it being there isn't some grand shitwarble of a choice.

[broken reef]

ecclesiarchy probably says cover is for heretics who dont wanna face the enemies of the imperium or some shit

[silver patrol]

maybe they just had different plans when first releasing the game and thought it was actually going to be used

[broken reef]

psyker needs the full aura pose to use staffs n blitz so it checks out

[silver patrol]

you know, like payday 2 release vs payday 2 right now

[fair shale]

I just made my dude tall enough to see over cover anyway tbh

[broken reef]

my psyker is small and loud enough to probably pass as a krak grenade

[silver patrol]

more like a krak addict

[broken reef]

nah new crystalline will means i am literally a walking krak grenade

[spark helm]

It wouldn't be impossible. There's plenty of games that have a similar situation where there's a conscious kind of choice distinguishing the flavor and substance of different characters/classes and just kind of having random dangling bits that time just neglects but are so small that the stuff devs are already prioritizing is closer to "we got other shit to do" than "damn this being here and doing nothing is a critical problem. We gotta put it at the top of the list. "

[broken reef]

does yknow, peeking over cover even give any like, stability/accuracy benefit?

or maybe a passive crit chance increase

[spark helm]

Nope. At least there's nothing else I'd have noticed that isn't just class and weapons buffs spinning.

[silver patrol]

i doubt fatshark even remembers that it is actually a thing

[broken reef]

yeah, they havent fixed the stairs leading upto the mission terminal being unable to be walked up from

i doubt they remember vet can use cover

[thorn lark]

Nobody talks about it but it also reloads marginally faster

[spark helm]

That's a bit silly. I doubt that whatever staff that has stayed since the start of the game's development or key points in the early stages of progress forgot it.

They're just not focusing on playing with something so meager. They got other shit to do, artificially enforced snd practically necessary

[tall torrent]

Noe

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/lurk-peek-sneak-george-clooney-gif-17585314

[silver patrol]

i think it's pretty realistic actually

i mean fatshark in general of course, i am sure the dudes who coded that in remember it

maybe

[spark helm]

As opposed to focusing on correcting serious bugs? And doing whatever else wrapped up in more materially substantial balance changes and content updates?

[broken reef]

zealot and psyker doesnt even have any class iconics listed, vet has his incomprehensible cover peeking capabilities as a class iconic but the whole ass psyker peril gauge isnt listed as a class iconic

[silver patrol]

i don't see why correcting bugs means they forget or neglect the existance of peeking cover for vet

[spark helm]

Because there's just so much more that I imagine would take fsr more priority than slotting it in, even if the labor for it could be as simple and just removing it entirely.

[silver patrol]

what do you mean slotting it in

[broken reef]

im just suprised there hasnt been a talent in the vet tree that gives like 30% crit chance or some shit when peeking cover, or a 5% toughness regen per second

[spark helm]

Just squeezing it in there.

[silver patrol]

uhh squeezing what in there

you mean doing something with cover peaking?

[spark helm]

Doing anything about the cover mechanic yeah

[silver patrol]

oh i am just saying it was a mechanic meant for another kind of darktide that the current darktide just isn't

a slower tactical one

[spark helm]

Mmhm. I can see that

[silver patrol]

and since the game is obviously not going that way, they just kinda removed it from their mind

which would be fair mind you, it's just a little thing

[calm shard]

worlds most niche talent

people don't even use deadshot because of the stamina drain

which can be easily counteracted by stamina regen from the keystones

[broken reef]

as a recon lasgun user i can assure you i am using it

to the point i carry stamina stimms over the damage ones so i can shoot for longer

[orchid hemlock]

Oh no 😞

I am a recon addict and this hurts my soul

[spark helm]

I use the cover peek consciously in piecemeal at best. It's such a rare thing that happens and fwiw, if I'm pinned behind cover, that usually means I made a mistake and gave up a lot of damage and the only thing looking at me is the entire machine gunner brigade and all the other shitty things are happening and I'm not peeking too regularly at that point I'm just looking for the next best place to slide to safety

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-standing-cat-standing-roller-cat-silly-cat-funny-standing-gif-24695294

okay well

maybe some people are using it that shouldn't be

[spark helm]

If they wanna use it, whatever they gonna use it.

[orchid hemlock]

It's this fucking video I'm telling you

https://youtube.com/shorts/5gWalh1NSuI?si=tXwGWaa5QO58za88

Even he calls it outdated 😞

[broken reef]

the problem is 9/10 when a situation like a machinegunner brigade is happening we have 3 equally rabid classes that like to launch at them and maul them to death, 2 of which has shields that protect them anyways and the 3rd has enough toughness regeneration to eat the entire brigade without it alongside the other 2

the nearest bullgryn will gladly fucking ram the ball of buzzing machine guns with zero problems

[broken reef]

i have never seen this video

[spark helm]

Fwiw, I'm just talking about tripping over my shoelaces and landing myself in a really bad spot. Suppression and stagger can still be leveraged for shooters and I fuck heavy with exestance and now vet just has suppression immunity baked in so I can just shoot back at em anyway.

That and, despite what may be in the minds of others, suppression can be overcome by just actually sending it and firing at the target. You can just shoot plenty of enemies with guns that stop them from firing to set up the next one

[broken reef]

i saw "lasers dont cost ammo when crit" and "you trade stamina for crit chance" in the tree and went "yeah that checks out"

[orchid hemlock]

Not saying you have, but it popularized the Deadshot stam build

[silver patrol]

many people just don't want to deal with the headache of the stamina drain

[orchid hemlock]

I think it's the fact that you don't take toughness relics 💀

[spark helm]

And the prefential sacrifice of taking curio perks that can pretty easily remedy that. People like their safety nets.

[broken reef]

9 extra stamina is crucial to me holding down the trigger with happy abandon

[orchid hemlock]

Imagine sacrificing 36% toughness for 25% more crit on a weapon that has poor finesse

[spark helm]

Oh holy shit you actually embraced.

[trim badger]

But think about zooming with knife

[spark helm]

Hey look if you like it that way, go nuts.

[orchid hemlock]

Push attack spam

[spark helm]

No shade or flame from me.

[trim badger]

Exactly you get it now

[spark helm]

I only got the 9 stamina for my goofy right tree psyker setup.

[orchid hemlock]

Market you literally told me to off myself and you are going to unironically say that? 🙄

[spark helm]

And I gotta be well fed most days to allow myself to keep doing that

[broken reef]

all i gotta do is shotgun a can of monster and i can perfectly imitate a CWIS, that way i dont need the 36% extra toughness

[spark helm]

You were implying dangerous shit about me that is completely false. These are not the same thing. I will never have nice words for someone doing that level of insult to my character nor anyone else should I ever learn about that. Again, pull what you did and play those games with as many people in public life as possible as I advised you to do if you need to learn that lesson for yourself more proactively.

And I'm not arguing with you on that reality at all because fuck benefit of doubt for something as severe as that.

[orchid hemlock]

Nope

If you want to keep lying to us and yourself, that's your choice. But this isn't something I'm going to start again.

[spark helm]

Yeah so you're just going back into the block anyway. I honestly really do need to treat you like a hideaway creature fr.

Not playing any of these games with you. Especially not after that stunt. Don't bother with me and I don't need to remind you what you know you did. Fuck you.

[broken reef]

can i be real? i only run stamina curios on all 5 classes, i seriously dont see how the extra 36% helps when 90% of builds tend to either kill shit before you take damage or you regenerate more toughness than you take so its pointless having a higher number

[spark helm]

It really does matter honestly.

[silver patrol]

sorry but i don't see how extra toughness, health or stamina helps in any way

you should take 3 wounds curios, of course

[mortal aspen]

real

[silver patrol]

wounds are good no?

[mortal aspen]

yep, more wounds = more health

[spark helm]

You can do that if you don't want to take it, but taking those toughness curios really does play a role in how a character's staying power operates.

[broken reef]

you say this but when i first started i played psyker and had 11 wounds, my logic was "more wounds probably means more hp, right?"

[silver patrol]

i've seen auric players get tricked by that

[spark helm]

That's your chip damage during melee, ranged chip damage, etc.

Toughness, even if you don't want to take it, does absolutely matter. Especially on veteran where losing that threshold for something like iron will with a lower toughness pool can get you popped like a balloon.

[broken reef]

melee regens toughness, toughness prevents ranged damage so i can focus on melee with my probably cocaine filled curios

or in case of recon vet i can unload the sun in the general direction of enemies not in shovel range

[spark helm]

I mean, yeah you can use your output to give yourself more toughness. That's not what im taking about here. I'm talking about the pool of toughness that you stand to lose. A dramatically lower toughness pool will become an issue in any situation where you're trying to race against enemies ready to do shit. Can't always play impossibly crispy 100%.

People often then just forgo max stamina in that amount at that point regularly

It really does have a much longer impact by comparison

[broken reef]

what im hearin is toughness curios are skill solution

[spark helm]

I fuck with the attitude, but it's also just a reality.

[broken reef]

it is

probably explains why i only play darktide when im at peak mood

[mortal aspen]

every curio is a "skill solution" with that logic

[spark helm]

I mean. Where are you finding the most success with this?

[slow spade]

If I could, I would prefer stamina too but toughness curios feel necessary with the shooter spam :c

[slow spade]

3 wound curios UwU

[spark helm]

I'm not interested in your legitimacy of action here, just probing for your experience.

[broken reef]

i am at 100% when i play, i go 4-5 games hauling ass and when i lose steam and lose a mission i just quit and take a break

[silver patrol]

i lose steam after one match

[spark helm]

Like where are you doing this is what I mean

[broken reef]

i havent really tried powering through the low energy to play darktide

[spark helm]

As in what difficulty are you pulling up to this scandalous by eyeroll vet chat standards?

[broken reef]

havoc/ auric

[spark helm]

I can see it in auric because I've done it in auric on psyker but that's a different situation in terms of just how much psyker can enable something so high risk.

[broken reef]

as long as i dont die to a terrible death no one really bats a eye at the dumbass rolling around with a bleeding powder covered nose and a twitching eye unloading cartoonish amounts of lasers

[sudden cedar]

You say you run 3x Stamina Curios in Havoc?

[spark helm]

In havoc? Idk. Just because I've never seen something doesn't mean that it can't be done. I just don't think even I'd be willing to take on all that with vet specifically.

Not that that matters to someone dedicating their play to their own standards that much which is fine fuck it do you in the end

I'd actually want to see that for myself.

[broken reef]

i think i went so deep into this build and playstyle i actually ended up making it work

[spark helm]

Just to see it fr. Not even to judge or whatever.

[tall torrent]

Kinda

But so is every other choice

[broken reef]

yknow what? im eatin dinner, i might record a round after this

[mortal aspen]

what would you even need 3 stam curios for

it's absurd overkill for any purpose

[broken reef]

more lasers

[spark helm]

..."curios"

Fuck.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[slow spade]

Recon Deadshot build

[orchid hemlock]

I know the temptation was too much. But the point is to not be cap.

We both agree you told me to KMS so the point still stands 🤷🏻‍♂️

[spark helm]

You leveraged false chomo implications at me. Again, play that game with people in public to test your mileage with that behavior. Stop talking to me.

[narrow widget]

recon vets try to melee challenge

[orchid hemlock]

Have u done havoc yet?

[narrow widget]

(impossible)

[orchid hemlock]

Can't bait me please move on then if you don't want to talk to me

[spark helm]

Yeah nope. Trolls are useless.

Back into the bin with you forever. You and whoever else on that kind of time in this mfker.

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't the definition of trolling literally trying to bait a reaction out of someone, which you just did twice? 💀

[spark helm]

Them mods you run to too.

[orchid hemlock]

Or straight up lie about people?

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah because you literally told me to kill myself

Yooo my bad for contacting the kids when you broke the rules of the server. Oh shit 💀

[spark helm]

Cowards with keyboards be so eager behind screens istg.

[orchid hemlock]

Soo true, press the block button instead of engage

[spark helm]

None of yall got that backbone in public so it's fine.

[orchid hemlock]

truuuuu

Oh wait you aren't talking about yourself

Go ahead block me

Easier isn't it?

[spark helm]

The better part of keeping a mfker like you blocked at this point really does have its own pay. I really don't to read anything you got. So again. To you and any one else on tip like that--yaint shit.

[orchid hemlock]

I think the most ironic part of all of this, is you call me a coward....

For telling me to kill myself on the internet 💀

[spark helm]

Anyway. Time for getting ready to actually do shit that matters in the rest of real life. Later prick. 👋🏾

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[spark helm]

I'm actually gonna take the advice you had for me originally.

[mortal aspen]

Orcka blocked me a while ago and I still don't know why

without any interaction too

oh well

[orchid hemlock]

🍿

This monologue is breathtaking 😭

[void dragon]

so it was spread knowledge that revolver blessings like handcannon and surgical apply to zealot knifes? damned thing can do more damage than the actual bullets

[spark helm]

I really don't need to engage with that mfker. Seeing them blocked messages showing up is great. Dude can rail at the wall forever for all I care. They can stay they little ass entirely on the internet. Only place where a mfker like that can ever have presence

[slow spade]

I thought that was fixed?

[tall torrent]

No

[orchid hemlock]

Oh you aren't blocked anymore, I thought you were another account that was banned from the server who said some pretty nasty stuff to me

[spark helm]

No clue. But you were right in telling me to toss dude to the wind.

[mortal aspen]

I wish you could hide blocked messages xdd

[tall torrent]

Handcannon is just “rending” with activation condition of crit

[spark helm]

It's a dumb oversight but whatever.

[silver patrol]

wait how does that work

[mortal aspen]

also, if you have too many people blocked talking to each other, discord literally breaks

[slow spade]

Oh I'm surprised I don't see handcannon assail psykers anymore

[silver patrol]

oh wait zealot throwing knives

[void dragon]

dont believe so, I just tested it and headshots on crushers do around 2000 when you dodge for duelist

[orchid hemlock]

engages with me anyways

[silver patrol]

i thought you meant actual knife

[spark helm]

Where is this coming from? Never heard that before.

[orchid hemlock]

See how full of shit you are?

Smh my head

[slow spade]

I thought it was fixed because it used to stack with assail leading to "funny" damage. I guess people just got tired of it 🤔

[void dragon]

i believe they are bussy enjoying bleeding assail, more easy to make work due flying time of the crystals

[silver patrol]

they are what????

[slow spade]

True, the bleed crystals are funny

[spark helm]

Autocorrect moment¿

[calm shard]

huh

did I miss spicy drama

where's the DRAMA

[void dragon]

assail toss upwards, pull bistol, look to the evil guy tthat's abut to get crystal lobotomized

[orchid hemlock]

Yep Market trying to play good cop again 🙄

[void dragon]

Still you 2 are getting drama? get a room in Zealot chat

[slow spade]

Ah so that's how it worked

Interesting to hear

[orchid hemlock]

Oh shit this ain't Zealot chat?

Mb 😞

[void dragon]

it isnt, but i cant blame you for not noticing, the zealot influence is spreading to this and psyker chats

soon even ogryn chat will be spreading lies and brainrot

[mortal aspen]

it can't process more than 199 blocked messages or something

so it spazzes out

[tame lodge]

Lmfao

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[red robin]

Damn

[spark helm]

You just got that many people blocked huh?

Uh wow lol

[red robin]

Bro doing science blocking 199 people

[mortal aspen]

no, it was two people lmao

it was two people talking a lot

[spark helm]

Oh.

[red robin]

Oooo

[calm shard]

is this seriously what started the drama...really?

[spark helm]

That's concerning

And a little funny

[mortal aspen]

and it's not even that I opened those messages, it does it when the messages are hidden

[tame lodge]

That's what happens when Slenderman is nearby

[spark helm]

Yep. Dude started implying i was on some chomo shit afterward if you want to actually search up any of that yourself so I told them to not only go out in public and act like that but also to kill themselves.

I was literally talking about weirdo media trends that end up popping up with anime shit

[calm shard]

no yeah okay orcka was being weird

fair enough

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[calm shard]

I wouldn't have told them to kill themselves personally but understandable

[spark helm]

And fwiw that's fair and I get that. In the moment though? Nah. I take that shit very seriously and know people who have actually been harmed by that shit.

That shit is very close to the chest with me. Those kinds of accusations are serious as fuck and dangerous to throw around wildly. That level of behavior genuinely shouldn't even be allowed to fly at all but here we are anyway. Moderation has that problem within itself so big shrug on that. Not okay.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

What the fuck happened in the hour I didn’t check chat

[silver patrol]

nothing really, old beefs

[sudden cedar]

@broken reef I recommend to equip one health curio, depending on how high havoc we talk about, as this will prevent you from being one-shot by a pox burster

[spark helm]

And then, when talking to someone not too long ago who just likes playing a certain way, I was surprised but encouraged them to talk about their experience with their choices and said "no flame or shade from me" because I actually am curious.

Dude out of nowhere up and replies to me saying more random shit.

So I blocked them again, am actually holding myself to it fr this time and keeping it moving. I talked my little shit but I don't need to justify myself to anyone acting like that towards me. Especially under those circumstances.

If dude wants to keep at it, okay? I don't need to respond and the receipts are eternal so it's whatever.

[void dragon]

aw... did i miss beef rashuns?

[silver patrol]

rotten beef, you could say

[void dragon]

aged meat its spicy and fleas give it texture

me know, me ogryn chef

[silver patrol]

that's not spicy it's just actually corroding you from the inside

[spark helm]

Is there any extra lore bit behind any of this yet?

Or is it literally "hey, food scenario but it's probably fucked"

[silver patrol]

you are overestimating fatshark i fear

[broken reef]

i may survive a pox burster but it means i let a pox burster actually jump on me, can a curio prevent my soul dying from that too

[silver patrol]

i don't think this has any longterm ramifications or is anything more than a simple event

[spark helm]

I barely pay attention to their write-ups for this. They do it and have done it with the events they had leading up to havoc but that was a much different expression storywise.

[void dragon]

i feel is more of "both scenarios are fucked up" but i doubt that it will have impact in the future story missions

[spark helm]

Mhm. I meant if it has anything connected with added flavor text like the buildup for the twins with those diary entries and whatever else.

[void dragon]

destroy rashuns: smart move to stop zombie virus, will make population go hungry and join the cultists to save themselves, condemning themselves
rescue rashuns: hunger is appeaced and population is happy-ish but now they zombi army

[broken reef]

i feel like this will have actual consequences depending on if we eat the shit

[hollow ibex]

Always destroy rations. It’s fun fighting ogryn hordes

[spark helm]

If they're not using this event to eventually bring up something else for later no worries. Was just genuinely curious.

[heavy rover]

But sah, I'm hungry

[broken reef]

ogryns probably have the stomach to eat the rations

[void dragon]

destroy is imo the best decision but i like fighting twins, it builds character and people can use some training to know how to fight them

[void dragon]

arent we all?

[hollow ibex]

That’s true

I’m pretty bad at fighting twins

[silver patrol]

i find the permanent stims much more fun than infinite cleave and double ammo imo

i just wish people actually used the stims

[void dragon]

our ogryns eat rashuns of rats on a daily basis, im sure they can eat most of the rotten ones, but nurgle inflection is a different beast

[broken reef]

what im wondering is, how fucked are the rations? like, magical fucked or are we getting sick cause its basically meant to be eaten raw and now that they are slightly out of date we are just poisoning ourselves without trying to cook the damn things

[spark helm]

I don't actually think I've had people pick up or destroy them. Can't even say that i queued up for explictly.

[void dragon]

infected ones, because it feels that is not all of them, will screw us because its basically warp magic disease

[spark helm]

But if it's fighting twins I'm in.

[broken reef]

i feel like sliding the rations over a fire barrel for like 20 minutes would make it 10x more edible

[void dragon]

cooked corpse starch might even taste good

[spark helm]

Is it only twins or like a rotation of bosses?

Monstrosities and bosses rather

[void dragon]

twins is the 3rd one i think, the first is no boss but moebian swarm, then captain, then twins

[silver patrol]

twins coming back from the grave to get that bread

[heavy rover]

How bad could the rations be when we have surströmming

[void dragon]

they were trying to resurect one so i would not be surprised

[broken reef]

isnt it cannon that ogryn stomped the male twins head into paper beyond resurrection so they grabbed rinda's body to do that magic circle of resurrection bullshit we foiled?

[spark helm]

That actually sounds fun. My free time has had me trying out and actually liking sm2 enough to not feel silly for buying it instead of finishing the demo as wholly as possible.

Is the event over soon?

[silver patrol]

i thought Rinda just faked dead

[void dragon]

is not clear which he stomped, but i think so

[silver patrol]

while the male is definitely ded

[void dragon]

one more week

[spark helm]

Also, can twins take on modifiers like nurgle blessing?

[broken reef]

we shoulda stomped rinda dead just to be sure

[broken reef]

they are bosses, so no

[void dragon]

bosses like captain can become purple, so im not sure

[broken reef]

yeah but they are scripted bosses

[spark helm]

I haven't had a mutated elites auric run in ages and I'm still on the havoc climb so I wasn't sure where those modifiers are stretched. Guess I could just read up more on them.

Are there any modifiers from havoc that don't exist outside of it? Yall talk about "purple" enemies

[silver patrol]

that's the tainted stims no?

or nurgle's blessing?

[spark helm]

Blessing is that pale green that gives more health and stagger resistance. I don't think I've ever ran tainted stims in aurics.

[silver patrol]

i think the former at least doesn't appear outside

[spark helm]

There's pox gas with increased stim pickups though

[silver patrol]

oh it's more like enemies get a stim effect

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-yung-miami-caresha-elijahpetty-umm-gif-20652532

Huh?

Oh shit.

[silver patrol]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

this i think

ah but there is no purple effect so maybe not

yeah that's Encroaching Garden

[spark helm]

Just read it. That's actually interesting oh wow.

Yeah, havoc climb it is curious to experience it and learn how to play against it.

[tame lodge]

I severely underestimated Blue Stimmed enemies

[spark helm]

Yellow stimms is a little weird to me for increase weakspot damage part but the multishot seems cool to see on paper.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/logan-paul-sorry-forgive-lapse-in-judgement-gif-22857221

[silver patrol]

i am ever so thankful i don't care about havoc

[spark helm]

I just like having the experience tbh. And I enjoy feeling how a game changes when getting to the highest challenge ratings if I got the interest to get myself there.

[silver patrol]

well consider these modifiers also combo with each other

so you could get an elite that is rotten armored with a stim effect

[spark helm]

Yeah. I'm enthusiastic to learn what I can about that. I liked deeds and winds cataclysm (winds was...bruh)

[broken reef]

cranial corruption is my fav

[spark helm]

Is that the one with uh

The exploding heads?

[broken reef]

yeah

nea parasite heads

[silver patrol]

you can see that around in the current event too right?

[spark helm]

No clue. I can't think of any missions I ran where rations were available. I never looked and if they were there, nobody did anything with em to my knowledge

I didn't hit tab or nothing. Just brain off quick play aurics runs.

[silver patrol]

also yeah that modifier doesn't sound too bad

they also just ran events with it i think

[spark helm]

I didn't immediately like the cranial corruption one because I like shooter vet antics a lot but I just started pacing myself better, aiming elsewhere, etc.

What ever happened to that demolition modifer they had an event for? It seems like they've been using these events as a sort of testing ground for difficulty modifiers later.

[broken reef]

the increased barrels?

[spark helm]

The one with the Deadman's hand explosives

Yeah

[silver patrol]

some are just modifiers for events they do for fun

[broken reef]

besides the ogryn space program victims candidates quadrupling nothing really came off it

[spark helm]

More barrels more bombers and some enemies just dropped like displacement nade things (charges?)

They did little damage but would basically bounce you

[silver patrol]

ohh i remember that one

[spark helm]

That was the first time I got combo'd to death in this game in a whole while.

I need to learn how to clip stuff just to hold on to silly deaths like that

[broken reef]

i remember being trappered and then immediately jumped by 3 poxwalkers in the funniest 100-0's in this game i had

[spark helm]

Got bounced into a mutant going after someone else. Grabbed and thrown into nearby bursters from someone else trying to stay alive. Then blown away again by the like two I couldn't do anything about because it was just so much coming. Barely survived and landed in some fire from a bomber. No toughness so I was just eating shit in the fire then thrown by another mutsnt into a literal line of bursters then killed.

Fuck that factory map with the smelting pot things or whatever those are more appropriately called lmao

[broken reef]

being mutant juggled will never not be funny

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-yung-miami-caresha-elijahpetty-umm-gif-20652532

^ mfw it happens.

"Alright. Guess I'll go get some water while I wait." C:

[autumn ferry]

mutant juggles are so annoying
waves of mutants my behated

[spark helm]

Kidding but when it happens it sucks but is amusing. I had a friend who hasn't played or paid attention to game in a year or so and they just freaked out the whole time during every mutant wave

[orchid hemlock]

Yep

I even apologized, I'm too lazy to find it but I straight up told them that it wasn't my intention.

[spark helm]

Genuinely one of the funniest wipes I've had.

[broken reef]

i love mutant waves

not the trickle feeding one mutant at a time

[spark helm]

I think my favorite wipes are when I have to clutch and I'm doing fine but do like one little thing a little silly, recover from it and the one random sniper finally kills me.

[broken reef]

the ones where they just let loose 4 mutants at once

[spark helm]

And I rarely get hit or get downed by them so that shit always gets a chuckle out of me.

[broken reef]

snipers i despise

[spark helm]

I don't mind them too much but can understand why people take sniper resistances

Sometimes you just get got

Helps to shave off some of the dmg.

[broken reef]

i swear only when im aware of the laser and the sniper that they hit me, that laser can be on me for 12 years he will not fire until i run out of dodges

fromsoft boss ass

[autumn ferry]

bad sniper spawns can be rough
just yesterday we were crossing the throneside bridge with little long range potential and snipers spawned on both sides of the bridge while we were getting tox bombed

[broken reef]

i am tempted to 100% this game on steam

trying to figure out how cracked i gotta be to get the one where i take 0 melee damage the entire mission

[primal zealot]

u can just cheese it but its not that hard tbh

i think i did it with smite at some point

[silver patrol]

was it 0 melee damage on heresy or higher

[silver patrol]

malice even

[primal zealot]

oh the vet one

damn what am i thinking of then ?

[azure narwhal]

This one is far simpler than it looks

[silver patrol]

yeah i got it without even trying

[azure narwhal]

I legit got it by accident on an auric rolling steel

[primal zealot]

lol nice

[azure narwhal]

Vet is almost built for it tbh

Anyway yeah you dont gotta be cracked

Pretty shrimple

[shy raft]

keeping up mandate of iron will is mandatory

[broken reef]

it can be one poxwalker scratching you and the entire mission is invalid

[silver patrol]

just playing defensively also works

[broken reef]

and you cant figure this out until the mission is over

[silver patrol]

you can kind of

[broken reef]

engaging in melee is a 100% run ender

[silver patrol]

if you just don't take damage, you can use the scoreboard mod

[broken reef]

you can take ranged damage

[silver patrol]

yeah but on malice?

[broken reef]

you can exchange fire but no touchie

[spark helm]

How confident are you with blinddodging?

[broken reef]

snipers aim is so slow that 95% of the time i can just be fighting regular melee and he just misses from a random dodge, its when im aware of it and are actively trying to dodge i fuck up regularly

[mortal aspen]

it's not hard

it needs to be health damage

you can take all the melee hits you want, so long as they don't touch your healthbar

[broken reef]

dont melee penetrate toughness into like, health damage no matter how little

[silver patrol]

no

[mortal aspen]

not if you're at 100%

[silver patrol]

at full toughness, melee does 0 damage unless it's a overhead

[broken reef]

this

[mortal aspen]

and with shout it's even easier

[silver patrol]

and even then, you can in theory reduce that to 0 health damage i think

especially on malice

[broken reef]

i never knew 100% prevents it

[spark helm]

Dastardly sniper angles notwithstanding, I've been able to kind of make them irrelevant most days by just hearing the sound they make before firing.

The tell I want to look for that matters is the white flash. If I'm already confident with staying cool under pressure in the moment and actually see that laser pointing at me, the next step is just waiting for the sound (if I can't address them immediately) or the flash before they fire when I see them.

[mortal aspen]

if you have gold toughness, you can tank overheads with 0 hp damage

[silver patrol]

you receive health damage based on the % of missing toughness

[broken reef]

explains how insane toughness regen bullshit can sustain against the 1000 paper-cuts of melee penetration damage

i never knew this

[silver patrol]

fatshark games never explain anything

[broken reef]

good to know, just assumed ranged needs to cut through toughness and melee is reduced but always bleeds into health

but the chievement says any melee damage

wouldnt melee damage to toughness be still damage

[silver patrol]

it doesn't count toughness melee damage

it's just badly written

[spark helm]

Same logic applies to handling plasma gunners, captains when they have their guns out, etc.

[mortal aspen]

it was changed at some point

[red robin]

man

[tropic halo]

As long you have full toughness or gold you wont take any damage

[red robin]

im hoping for another annoying ass elite enemy

i kinda like how the really change up combat

[silver patrol]

ogryn plasma gunner

[spark helm]

Does 40k have like. Idk

[broken reef]

cant wait for the rotflies to hatch

[spark helm]

A fucked up wall crawling thing that isn't a tyrannid?

Well nurgle stuff.

[red robin]

flying enemies would be a fun dynamic to fight

[silver patrol]

nurglings?

i don't think they go up the walls tho

[red robin]

idk how they would code and path them in

[sudden cedar]

Rot Flies exist.

[spark helm]

Or maybe something that attachs to walls.

[silver patrol]

halflife barnacles

[spark helm]

Or uh them stupid flood turret things in halo 3

[broken reef]

yknow the flesh gunk demons that attach themselves to machinery? that but now it shoots acid spit or some shit

[sudden cedar]

Rot Flies, Plague Drones, Nurglings, Plague Toads, Plague Bearers. Many digusting things.

[red robin]

true

[spark helm]

I wouldn't know much about 40k fr.

[red robin]

alot of the enemy types are more humanoid than daemonic

[spark helm]

But sounds interesting

[broken reef]

corruptors, the thing we kill on the regular, with the tentacle cysts and the bigass eye

[spark helm]

This might a be localization moment. What corruptors?

[red robin]

wouldn't mind more corrupted type enemies like the monstrosities

[spark helm]

Oh those things

That's what those are

Never knew the name

I just thought it was a mutation

[sudden cedar]

They are called that way in the Mortis Trials

[spark helm]

Not like a sepeare thing.

[broken reef]

it is a demon

[spark helm]

Ah. I might have totally missed the dialogue then

I real shit turn my brain off in mortis.

[broken reef]

not a very flashy one but it does hijack machinery for the cultists

[sudden cedar]

Not even a dialogue. It is the objective.

[broken reef]

not just mortis trials

it is usually refered as either corruptors or demonic growth

[spark helm]

Oh wait I'm silly for that ooops it's the objective. i was thinking of the stuff on...rotted armor?

When the mobs got tentacles.

[red robin]

other than bulwarks, imagine if there was mansized shielded units

[broken reef]

dont think they have the self preservation to carry any

[red robin]

i'd hate them because man do i ever hate how much bulwarks clog up gameplay

[spark helm]

I don't mind them because I usually shoot over their shields.

Or just break their guard, bait swings, etc.

[red robin]

like good in game design type of distruption

[broken reef]

we have 2 dozen abilities to knock them on their asses, hinderance my ass

[red robin]

i like them for that

[spark helm]

I did get bullied by one the other night because I was being goofy and kept trying to reload my plasma gun at the goofiest time.

And kept being stubborn about it. Bro shield shoved me off a ledge

[red robin]

lmao

[broken reef]

they deal so little damage, are predictable asf on their swings and are way too slow, ive had games where we just keep the bulwark alive and shoot everything else actually dangerous before ganging up on it

[sudden cedar]

It is not the Bulwarks that are the issue. It usually is what comes with them.

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[red robin]

the enemy really gets to me, its the way they just get up in your face and just block of your line of sight on more important things

[spark helm]

Basically what happened

[sudden cedar]

That is what they are meant to do, yes.

[red robin]

yeah, good enemy design

[broken reef]

exactly, knock the bulwark on its ass, shoot the things they come with, then just mob the poor bastard

[red robin]

effective player engagement when it makes you hate them so much you just want to deep fry them in a wok

[sudden cedar]

Theory versus Practice

[red robin]

fuck this guy in particular whenever you see him

[broken reef]

although doesnt hurt to just hand him a krak grenade and be done with it

[red robin]

true

or plasma burst him through shield

[spark helm]

It's me with my hatred of smokers from l4d1/2, hook rats from vt2 and trappers. I don't get screwed over by them often but I'll never forget the ways those kind of units shyst the fuck out of people

[red robin]

or fanning revolver on a slight angle of headshotting him when his shield is up

[broken reef]

i am attuned for the horde shooters

[red robin]

man

love pd2

[broken reef]

l4d, payday 2, this game

[red robin]

loved seeing the taser and medic get ripped apart on sight

[spark helm]

The hatred of smokers hapoened when one completely ruined an otherwise really solid realism expert run with me and friends trying to get the achievement.

That one smoke collapsed the entire run.

[broken reef]

trappers induce the same response in me as cloakers do in pd2

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bOQiM.gif

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-charlie-sunny-philadephia-stare-gif-10509538

[broken reef]

i hear that annoying ass voice and instantly whip around

[red robin]

me when i see that trapper in a horde

[spark helm]

I hardly got into pd2 but I think they're hilarious.

[red robin]

tunnel vision just for them

[broken reef]

bombers though

[spark helm]

Some random weirdo pig does a cartwheel during a pig siege and kicks you in the face while screaming at you.

[broken reef]

you never felt true hatred unless you chased a bomber down half the karkin map with a shovel

[red robin]

sometimes i like the shock maul just so i can inflict war crimes any specialists i get my hands on

[spark helm]

I have celestial nighthawk golden gunned bottom fraggers in crucible lobbies for no other reason than pettiness. I get it.

Dead ass in the face. It's total overkill lmao

[red robin]

man

falter blessing on melee kinda wonky

then again

that blessing on ranged weapons even wonkier

kinda goated on shock maul just so I can club ragers to death

[spark helm]

I've carried a trapper around as far as I could once on ogryn by slapping them with that club special before they died.

[red robin]

i pray that the next big update is a big blessing revamp

[spark helm]

Slapped that mfker like down the stairs. Waited for em to get up, slapped em again

[red robin]

or new blessings, but idk how that would line up with the weapon mastery system

[spark helm]

Slapped and shoved them to draw it out until they finally died.

Now I want to experiment with how long I can escort a trapper during a mission without killing them.

[red robin]

ngl, i kinda miss the gauntlet punch warrior priest had in vt2

[spark helm]

All the way to extract and just do something silly

Idk

Fully charged pickaxe headshot.

Or full thrust zealot thammer

I want to launch em

[red robin]

would be cool if there was weapon specials that punched, but i forgot knife existed

[spark helm]

Other closest you got is uh

[red robin]

that's the floor reject punches gotta operate at

[spark helm]

The gg.

[red robin]

unless a power fist is added

[pulsar zephyr]

Power fist Please

That's all I want from this game

[spark helm]

Combat blade and whatever that mark for orgyn knife is for the gut punch.

[red robin]

i kinda just want the power surge blessing to be on a human sized class

garbo blessing, but i just want to stack it with lethal proximity for the abysmal meme

i'd die ultra happy if crusher got that blessing even

25% explosion radius + 25% explosion radius on crusher aoe sounds like a goofy meme

[narrow frost]

Buff it with lethal prox too

[red robin]

im just humoring a what if scenario

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[broken reef]

i would shank the nearest zealot to be able to use a thunder hammer on the rest of the classes

ogryn included

he holds it like a gavel

[steep flower]

prevents humiliation of being 1 shot by said poxburster

[primal zealot]

theres an ogryn hammer in the files

or a leak or something

@steep flower have u not seen this ?

[steep flower]

nope; i'm not a code monkey

[primal zealot]

me neither but its been posted here a few times

like theres a model for it n everything

[broken reef]

i lose faith in myself the moment i get full bombed by the burster, being dead means i can atleast lean back in dissapointment and take a swig before locking back in

[primal zealot]

it looks amaaaaazinh

[steep flower]

me 2 brother me 2

[broken reef]

WHERE

[steep flower]

link?

[primal zealot]

im trying to find it

man i hate how whenever u try to look something up its nothing but clickbait slop videos n ai generated articles

[tall torrent]

I have it I can send when I’m home

3 variants

Tho given FatShark’s release schedule maybe end of 2026 lol

At earliest

[tame lodge]

Also 💀

[muted echo]

Anyone have a recon lasgun build they use for high havoc or is it not worth it

[broken reef]

:D

[compact oracle]

is this the alleged ogrynhammer

very fancy for ogryn

[pulsar zephyr]

Okay maybe I'll play ogryn

🙄

[compact oracle]

just a fucking meat mallet

[pulsar zephyr]

BATTLE AXE OGRY????

The tides are healing

[surreal rune]

getting trapped through 5 bulwarks and dying

[steel barn]

I want a people size power axe

Idgaf about ogryn

[surreal rune]

it takes me back to vermintide

[surreal rune]

two handed power axe?

[tall torrent]

2h_poweraxe_p1_m2, m3

[surreal rune]

they havent even added the two handed chainaxe

[steel barn]

True

But I want power axe

2 or 1 handed, either

[surreal rune]

true

[pulsar zephyr]

I want power fist zealot

[surreal rune]

would it be

[pulsar zephyr]

No more no less

[surreal rune]

a vet, zealot weapon

the power axe

[tall torrent]

prob

[surreal rune]

i think one handed is for vet and zealot

two handed for only zealot

[tall torrent]

this is 2h

[steel barn]

Yeah was about to say that

[tall torrent]

and

[surreal rune]

like chainswords

[tall torrent]

vet is not technically forbidden from 2h weapons

[steel barn]

2 handed makes sense for zealot, 1 hand for vet

[surreal rune]

is there one in the game for vet as of now?

[tall torrent]

imperial navy breachers have 2h breacher axes

[compact oracle]

vet has a 2 handed melee, its helbore

[surreal rune]

ah

[tall torrent]

so there's no lore saying they can't use 2h melee

it's just that all the main "imperial guard" hero characters use 1h melee I think?

[steel barn]

For gameplay purposes tho, I feel like it helps differentiate the 2 classes

[surreal rune]

vet gets one handed power sword
zealot gets two handed power sword

[pseudo fiber]

The image was called like "hammer_2h_Ogryn" I think but the power axe is just "Power_axe_2h" so I think the axes are for humans

[compact oracle]

when will dual wield weapons return

[surreal rune]

i had heard that there was

planning for it?

but im not sure

[orchid hemlock]

No stamina 😔

[tall torrent]

no they dual wield lol

[compact oracle]

i mean id rather new weapons but yknow... dual zealot hammers were awesome

[tall torrent]

sly marbo
ciaphas cain
yarrick
gaunt

hell ever lord solar

[orchid hemlock]

Not our vet, they have asthma 😞

[surreal rune]

we get weapon specialist and thats about it

[compact oracle]

vet doesn't get an excuse anymore, they have actually good stamina now

[tall torrent]

not since 1.9+

[tame lodge]

They remembered that if you breathe, you can kill

And shrugged the asthma off

[broken reef]

didnt they make one of the -0.25s stamina regen delay nodes basekit

[sweet glade]

yeah they had to just get over the asthma once they realized that shouting was going to be their most viable ability

[hybrid plover]

gyatt

[last pewter]

what are some common melee weapons to pair with a double barreled weapons specialist build? I need some recommendations lol

I've been running the psword for the longest time, and, I mean it's psword, it's always neat
recently tried palchion, really liking that weapon too but, idk, it's missing that je ne sais quoi imo

[broken reef]

you lost havoc levels if you didnt play havoc right?

[hybrid plover]

mk1 shovel

or combat knife mk6

[narrow frost]

a mobile weapon that has single target damage to gurentee a WP proc

some noteable weapons are tactical axe, knife, shovel

I prefer tactical axe for the stagger and mobility

[hybrid plover]

i religiously run shovel db in havoc now tbh

[narrow frost]

I have a goofy taxe revolver with exstance build

[last pewter]

I always forget what the difference between taxe and caxe are

[narrow frost]

its so fun

[mortal aspen]

taxe is speedy

caxe is slow

[narrow frost]

taxe is stagger mobility oriented, Caxe is slower more single target

[last pewter]

but I'll try a taxe and a knife, been a long time since I used a knoif

[mortal aspen]

it's hard to play normie weps after taxe

[narrow frost]

caxe also suffers in the cleave department, and relies heavily on brutal momentum to get any valuable cleave. so it wants 1 taps on trash

[fossil dew]

Mutators in Havoc rotated? Got 3 missions in a row with stims and daemonhost rituals instead of rotten armour

[narrow frost]

taxe has more variety in blessings combos

[narrow frost]

current mods are stims, purple, rotten, rituals

parasite was removed

nategore, while you are here. Any possibility that you mention no havoc patch notes when they change things?

[broken reef]

i saw some pinks around

[hybrid plover]

if i may, because of how db works, you can forgo going down the bottom left entirely since precision strikes really doesn't do much for double barrel

[fossil dew]

so they rotated for me because i got rotten armour for 3 days, and now 3 games in a row i have rituals and stimms only, thanks

[hybrid plover]

so you can invest in other things like more toughness

[pulsar zephyr]

I find shovel and chain sword just demolish bubbles on captains

[fossil dew]

maybe they changes something, because it changed for me, and for the guy who hosted 3 missions that i played

[narrow frost]

my problem with it is that they dont mention their changes that they do

so we have to guess what maps are in rotation and what modifiers

[hybrid plover]

if i'm running knife db, i usually go flesh tearer + uncanny since serrated makes flesh way more consistent

[narrow frost]

plus who knows if they changes some settings on the modifiers

they dont say anything

[last pewter]

fwiw I'm alternating between a shout and a shroudfield build with Kraks

[narrow frost]

there is no list of maps or mods

[last pewter]

I feel like both abilities work really well, and like, Kraks are good for a 'oh shit that's a crusher in my face' button

[hybrid plover]

both of those are good fits for db

[mortal aspen]

would you do that on all melee? taxe probably wants that extra damage to heads, doesn't it?

[hybrid plover]

with taxe, while you can get away with it sometimes

you'll notice the difference especially on high havoc

[narrow frost]

taxe scacles nicly with finesse

weakspot and crits

[mortal aspen]

yeah that's what I mean

[narrow frost]

its crits are its main carapace and unyielding damage

[fossil dew]

oh, i think it's good thing that they dont mention havoc rotation\modifier changes, but i get what are u saying. There is a specific number of maps, and mutators in a pool. They mention changes from season to season with every big update

[mortal aspen]

but on shovel if it's not that important?

[last pewter]

aight I'll give Taxe another go, and if I don't like it, time to return to my knoif

[broken reef]

they are mode like "oh thats 4 crushers, lets get rid of that" button

[hybrid plover]

taxe is unfortunately a little more investment in the tree

[hybrid plover]

it genuinely isnt

[mortal aspen]

cool

[fossil dew]

So like for this season theese maps with theese modifiers and that's it@narrow frost

[hybrid plover]

i've been running shovel db without precision strikes

decimator makes it do enough damage that it fares just fine

[narrow frost]

yes, on top of when they do mid season change like last night. They rotated maps and mods around

[fossil dew]

i think it's good, so old order wont stick and be usual

[broken reef]

how goods the db

[fossil dew]

anyways, thanks for the answers

[hybrid plover]

incredibly good

[narrow frost]

amazing, best mixed horde clear on vet

[mortal aspen]

best gun in the game

[hybrid plover]

a good db vet will rival psyker

[narrow frost]

I have plenty of videos about it

its 1 of 3 weapons I use on vet

shredder auto, combat shotgun, and DB

[hybrid plover]

it's tricky but when you know the dance, it's kind of hard to put down

[mortal aspen]

ws dB is so fluid and fun

[broken reef]

might be good enough to make me put down recon lasgun

[narrow frost]

yeah, I like the mid season changes, but i'd like a list of current maps and mods. Just some wishful thinking that will never be address since it is

[broken reef]

i just love popping exe stance and activating CWIS mode

[hybrid plover]

basically, if you know how to run plasma

you can run db

you just have to acknowledge that your effective range isn't as good

[kind spruce]

Perhaps I will give DB a try

[hybrid plover]

but that's why you run flechette too

[fossil dew]

i always doubted the db on vet

recon lasgun, hellborn, stuff like that

plasma

[hybrid plover]

makes it quite consistent for specialist sniping as well as just inflating your damage numbers because infinite cleave + DoTs is funny

[kind spruce]

Playing doom fr?

[hybrid plover]

it's also

one of the most ammo efficient setups in the game

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

DB now can also 1 tap snipers from any range with weapon special crit

[hybrid plover]

the only time i've ever had trouble with ammo was during a h40 where for some reason,. the zealot literally would not use their melee and instead magdumped a mk3 bolter at everything so he kept vacuuming all the ammo lol

my guy unironically took up an entire ammo box

[narrow frost]

yummy

[broken reef]

zealot not using melee

thats new

[hybrid plover]

I've never seen a havoc host straight up tell someone to leave before until that game LOL

[broken reef]

this is how recon lasgun feels with deadshot + opening salvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6jrRBfaYMc

[narrow frost]

i love people's reactions to Hard Mode twins solos

[broken reef]

Db?

[narrow frost]

I run Ds and braced auto for the fast twins clears

[hollow ibex]

Why brauto?

[kind spruce]

Shields probably

Void shields on captains effectively take more damage from multiple low damage hits because they mitigate high damage attacks

[mortal aspen]

Ranged Zealot is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal

[hybrid plover]

And brautos also happen to have a very high ammo count so it's good sustained dps against shields

[hollow ibex]

Ah when I think of brauto I just think of agri

[potent patio]

why is everyone running the mkIV hellbore? what makes it more meta than the rest?

[hybrid plover]

Crazy one shot potential

Is the one ranged weapon that can actually handle carapace while staying efficient

[hollow ibex]

At least in aurics I think V is better tbh

[hollow ibex]

I wouldn’t go that far

[hybrid plover]

with shock troop, you really aren't pressed for ammo at all even against crushers

mmf mk4 helbore goes crazy in the right hands

[broken reef]

you can also load up rending upto your balls and use a recon lasgun, if you dont kill them with sheer lasfire you end up cooking them

[hollow ibex]

No i mean there are other weapons that are efficient against carapace

[potent patio]

would swapping to a IIIa be losing breakpoints? cause i despise the bayonet animation on the IV

[hybrid plover]

IIIa is fine too.

It is noticeably worse against carapace though

I'll say that.

But you also shoot faster

[hollow ibex]

I honestly think IV and V are the best against carapace

[hybrid plover]

It's a pick your poison deal.